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| 00:09.11 | dick-richardson | maddler: are either of those correct? |
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| 00:09.28 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody been able to install Xchat on the new firmware? |
| 00:09.57 | metatron | using xchat right now |
| 00:09.58 | Tu13es | yep |
| 00:10.13 | GeneralAntilles | Wouldn't go for me earlier today. |
| 00:10.22 | GeneralAntilles | "Application Package not found" or somesuch. |
| 00:10.26 | mattbmc | I've been on it using the latest 2006...not sure you're talking about that tho |
| 00:10.27 | GeneralAntilles | Suppose I should try with apt |
| 00:10.32 | GeneralAntilles | 2007 |
| 00:10.50 | mattbmc | right..sorry |
| 00:10.52 | mattbmc | ;) |
| 00:10.54 | GeneralAntilles | How did SSH suddenly become so SLOW |
| 00:12.20 | metatron | is it possible that the wifi is worse with the new firmware? |
| 00:12.26 | mattbmc | Once root is enabled, is it recommended to disable root altoghether and just have "user" with sudo access? ..or better to diable root logins altogether? |
| 00:12.58 | mattbmc | ..or just have a relatively strong root password? |
| 00:13.16 | metatron | matt: user with sudo, passwd -l on root is best |
| 00:13.28 | mattbmc | thx! |
| 00:13.30 | metatron | not what i do, but best balance |
| 00:13.37 | metatron | :-) |
| 00:14.23 | mattbmc | metatron: you see my earlier post....I'm in a little root-predicament on my 770 presently |
| 00:14.33 | metatron | some of it |
| 00:14.40 | metatron | my net connection is bad |
| 00:14.58 | mattbmc | wonder if you have any ideas, or if I should just reinstall the OS again....(which is not a big deal) |
| 00:15.13 | mattbmc | that's not good! :) |
| 00:21.44 | metatron | my net connection is bad |
| 00:21.44 | _Monkey | i already had it that way, metatron. |
| 00:21.51 | metatron | fuckle |
| 00:22.23 | metatron | matt: you disabled root, and didnt add user to sudoers? |
| 00:22.33 | dick-richardson | maemo mapper is killing me |
| 00:22.59 | metatron | i wish maemo mappers didnt die when the gps connection is lost |
| 00:23.32 | dick-richardson | I wish I had a url that worked :/ |
| 00:23.50 | metatron | i wish maemo mappers didnt die when the gps connection is lost |
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| 00:23.55 | metatron | gah |
| 00:24.03 | metatron | im sorry everyone |
| 00:24.08 | dick-richardson | np |
| 00:24.21 | metatron | my bt keyboard is acting up |
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| 00:37.43 | CtrlR | Does anyone know if it is possible to connect through a Treo 770wx? |
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| 00:47.16 | dick-richardson | is there a reason it's so damn hard to find the url to use google or microsoft live maps w/maemo mapper? it's like I'm asking about tiananmen square in communist china |
| 00:48.12 | dick-richardson | although in china I could at least do a google search via tor :P |
| 00:48.53 | Pio | dick-richardson, the newest maemo-maps supplies them for you |
| 00:48.58 | Pio | er maemo-mapper |
| 00:49.03 | dick-richardson | not for my area it doesn't |
| 00:49.06 | Pio | manage repositories, click download |
| 00:49.16 | dick-richardson | i get great white-ness |
| 00:49.19 | Pio | no? isnt a google maps url the same all over the world? |
| 00:49.35 | Pio | hrm |
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| 00:50.22 | Pio | dick-richardson, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3514 see the second post |
| 00:50.42 | dick-richardson | the default repo is for openstreet |
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| 00:56.51 | dick-richardson | there's no way to do routes directly in maemo mapper? |
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| 02:03.06 | GrumpyOldMan | um... how common is a 770 to just have a white screen. |
| 02:10.37 | milhouse | depends |
| 02:10.48 | milhouse | what kind of white screen - got any vertical streaks/corruption? |
| 02:10.58 | milhouse | or has it just hung during boot? |
| 02:14.33 | acydlord | man, i want an openmoko kit but i don't have the cash to lay down lol |
| 02:14.43 | GrumpyOldMan | some vertical lines. before i reflashed it it looked like it was running fine just i couldn't see the display |
| 02:15.08 | GrumpyOldMan | now it sounds like it loads and shuts off when i hit power but thats about it. |
| 02:16.00 | milhouse | like this? http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=197&d=1165601538 |
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| 02:17.58 | milhouse | or like this? http://www.maphia-inc.org/dead.jpg |
| 02:22.15 | GrumpyOldMan | like the first one. |
| 02:22.25 | milhouse | is your 770 new? |
| 02:22.46 | milhouse | or bought second hand? |
| 02:22.58 | milhouse | this is a serious problem you have, and requires a repair |
| 02:23.49 | GrumpyOldMan | just bought it from woot. |
| 02:24.00 | milhouse | that sucks, i thought this problem had been fixed |
| 02:24.13 | GrumpyOldMan | just for a 2gb mem card. and put a vid on it to play. |
| 02:24.25 | milhouse | it's known as a "White Screen of Death" - basically, a chip on the LCD had fried (or something like that - it's a design fault) |
| 02:24.31 | GrumpyOldMan | leaving on a trip next weekend and this was my entertainment/internet connection. |
| 02:25.05 | milhouse | you need to contact Nokia for an in-warranty repair, or see if Woot will replace it |
| 02:26.11 | acydlord | that's bad luck |
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| 02:26.17 | GrumpyOldMan | not a chance I'll have it for my trip then :( |
| 02:26.25 | GrumpyOldMan | is this a common thing ? |
| 02:27.33 | milhouse | I don't know if "common" is the right word, but it certainly was a known issue with some 770s |
| 02:28.04 | GrumpyOldMan | if it gets fixed is it likely to fail again |
| 02:28.25 | milhouse | if Nokia haven't fixed the design problem, the answer is yes - it's possible |
| 02:28.40 | milhouse | a small number of users have had two fail... chances of that happening to you must be pretty low though |
| 02:28.42 | milhouse | but possible |
| 02:29.19 | GrumpyOldMan | does anything set it off ? |
| 02:29.26 | milhouse | yes, rebootingf |
| 02:29.28 | milhouse | rebooting |
| 02:29.54 | milhouse | it's caused by a race condition during boot - once it occurs, an LCD driver chip becomes permanently damaged |
| 02:30.03 | GrumpyOldMan | ugh. |
| 02:30.27 | milhouse | it usually happens within the first dozen boots |
| 02:31.00 | milhouse | i'm amazed this hasn't been fixed on the production line... that is really, really crap |
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| 02:33.38 | GrumpyOldMan | thanks for the info. time to go finish cleaning for my 2 year olds b-day party |
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| 03:04.41 | deejoe | will OS 2006 stuff run under OS 2007? |
| 03:05.00 | deejoe | I'm wondering about kismet and gpsd, for starters. |
| 03:08.04 | pupnik_ | yes deejoe much will |
| 03:09.22 | deejoe | cool. thanks, pupnik |
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| 03:16.18 | megabyte405 | deejoe: keep in mind that kismet has some issues with the n800 - it will randomly stop working after a short amount of time |
| 03:16.22 | megabyte405 | blame buggy wireless drivers |
| 03:18.18 | jga23 | is there any way to update the vmware image of maemo to the latest bora verison? |
| 03:19.35 | deejoe | megabyte405: ok. that's exactly the kind of info I'm looking for. |
| 03:19.42 | deejoe | short meaning seconds? minutes? |
| 03:19.48 | megabyte405 | meaning sometimes it works |
| 03:19.55 | megabyte405 | sometimes it stops seeing new networks after 30 seconds |
| 03:20.13 | megabyte405 | some people say they get it to run longer, but for me it's an either-or: 10-30 seconds or works perfectly |
| 03:20.21 | deejoe | huh. |
| 03:20.31 | megabyte405 | jga23: look on the maemo web site on how to upgrade the sdk - it's like 3 command lines |
| 03:20.48 | deejoe | in any case, not my only reason to get an n800, but warwalking the neighborhood sure would be nicer than with a 15.4" laptop. |
| 03:20.52 | jga23 | thanks |
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| 03:21.52 | jga23 | what is the difference between SDK_X86 and SDK_ARMEL? |
| 03:22.07 | deejoe | anyway, thanks, megabyte405 |
| 03:22.17 | pupnik | one runs on the x86 cpu, the other runs arm binaries using the qemu emulator |
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| 03:22.29 | megabyte405 | deejoe: yeah - hopefully new firmwares will fix the driver |
| 03:22.55 | megabyte405 | jga23: exactly what it sounds like - one compiles for X86 desktop computers (aka, to test in the VM), the other compiles for Arm: the chipset in the device itself |
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| 03:23.32 | jga23 | so if I'm just testing python apps, does it matter which one I use? |
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| 03:44.15 | pupnik | deedoop |
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| 03:52.15 | joshin | Has anyone built psmisc (top & ps) for the latest 770 firmware? |
| 03:55.22 | pupnik | it's not built-in? |
| 03:55.22 | pupnik | i have top and ps on IT2007HE |
| 03:55.35 | joshin | busybox's top and ps are rather lacking. |
| 03:56.06 | Luria | gah busybox |
| 03:56.57 | Luria | i understand it on my wrt54, but why oh why on the tablets... |
| 04:03.07 | Presence_ | cause its small and is built for low memory environments |
| 04:04.03 | Luria | oh, i get it. i think the n series is big enough for a real toolset. |
| 04:04.08 | Luria | imho |
| 04:04.14 | Luria | :-) |
| 04:08.49 | megabyte405 | joshin: it is probably close to trivial in the maemo sdk vmware appliance |
| 04:09.06 | megabyte405 | except that's the 2007 sdk - but for a console app it probably wont' matter |
| 04:09.46 | joshin | megabyte405: you're probably right. figured to check here before I decide if it is worth the effort to go ahead and build it. |
| 04:10.17 | megabyte405 | joshin: for extra credit, rebuild a debian source package and post the deb somewhere :D |
| 04:12.17 | joshin | Bah. :) |
| 04:12.25 | Luria | i'm liking debs over install scripts more and more... especially after my skype problems |
| 04:12.36 | megabyte405 | lol |
| 04:12.46 | joshin | I have it running on my NSLU2. |
| 04:13.04 | megabyte405 | nice! |
| 04:13.09 | megabyte405 | I presume you cross-compile? |
| 04:13.28 | megabyte405 | (or you don't really use the slug for anything) |
| 04:13.39 | joshin | More or less. I have a second one that builds packages and hands off the compiling to the amd64 boxes. |
| 04:14.03 | joshin | My slug runs my irssi proxy, my dhcp server, and the squid proxy server so that the kids can surf the internet "safely" |
| 04:14.41 | joshin | Oh, and a secondary name server too. |
| 04:15.05 | mattbmc | Anyone there who can speak to "becomeroot"'s warning about possibly bricking my 770 by using it? Is this really likekly? |
| 04:15.20 | mattbmc | http://eko.one.pl/index.php?page=Nokia770_software#becomeroot |
| 04:15.25 | Presence_ | I did it easily with becomeroot2 |
| 04:15.28 | megabyte405 | mattbmc: don't delete anything |
| 04:15.36 | Presence_ | no chance of bricking as long as you dont delete stuff |
| 04:15.39 | megabyte405 | don't run apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 04:16.10 | mattbmc | so it's merely a warning about "being root"....nothing about the software will brick my unit as long as I don't do something dumb with it? |
| 04:16.21 | megabyte405 | right, AFAIK |
| 04:16.27 | megabyte405 | (but I am not responsible if you brick it :D ) |
| 04:16.31 | Luria | oh wow, you can run asterisk on those nslu2 things? (i wikipedia'ed the thing; i had no idea) |
| 04:16.38 | megabyte405 | and you have to be careful not to apt-get upgrade |
| 04:16.44 | mattbmc | i.e. apt-get clean is no risk? |
| 04:16.44 | megabyte405 | since you might get SDK package versions |
| 04:16.48 | megabyte405 | which would really screw tings up |
| 04:16.51 | megabyte405 | not sure what that does |
| 04:16.58 | mattbmc | I'm with you there. |
| 04:17.22 | megabyte405 | there has been at least one person in here in the last week who bricked trying to upgrade that way |
| 04:17.28 | Luria | if you remove the sdk repository, is it still a problem? |
| 04:17.28 | megabyte405 | and I'm in here only a few hours each night |
| 04:17.39 | megabyte405 | Luria: I'm not sure, but I'm not about to try |
| 04:17.46 | Luria | understandable... |
| 04:17.58 | megabyte405 | it's officially not supported and probably will brick things for maemo 3.2 and below |
| 04:18.20 | megabyte405 | I guess "modular updates" (read: apt-get dist-upgrade) is a feature of Maemo 4.0 that they're working on |
| 04:18.48 | Luria | that would be nice, because i hate the graphical package manager |
| 04:19.16 | megabyte405 | I got used to it |
| 04:19.23 | Luria | its so damn slow |
| 04:19.29 | megabyte405 | that's a good point |
| 04:19.32 | Luria | and very buggy |
| 04:19.34 | Presence_ | exactly |
| 04:19.37 | megabyte405 | esp. if you're in red pill mode, it take forever |
| 04:19.43 | Presence_ | at least the log is halfway decent |
| 04:19.56 | megabyte405 | but heck, synaptic takes forever on my desktop machine, which isn't underpowered by a long shot |
| 04:19.58 | megabyte405 | so go figure |
| 04:20.00 | Luria | yes, but lets count the bugs... |
| 04:20.04 | mattbmc | Well...a little back story: Installing canola, something bad must have happened on the network becuase I always get "Installation File Is Corrupt" |
| 04:20.05 | mattbmc | The author is tellin me to try a apt-get clean to clear up any bogus package files I might have on board causing this....need sudo or root to do this, however. (As far as I can tell, anyway.) |
| 04:20.05 | mattbmc | So I see the very-insufficient "brick warning" on becomeroot and go and try the other method: |
| 04:20.05 | mattbmc | https://maemo.org/community/wiki/howdoibecomeroot2/ |
| 04:20.13 | megabyte405 | I just get the occasional "won't install from the web" |
| 04:20.32 | megabyte405 | mattbmc: is it an install file or a deb? |
| 04:20.50 | megabyte405 | if it's a deb, it often likes to install from saved rather than "open in package manager" right from the browser |
| 04:20.53 | megabyte405 | reboot |
| 04:20.58 | megabyte405 | try it with the package manager closed first |
| 04:21.06 | megabyte405 | those usually do it for me |
| 04:21.06 | Luria | megabyte: fine, so you redownload - and then when it tried to handle two packages at once (cause it took 5 minutes to recognize the dl) it crashes |
| 04:21.07 | mattbmc | ...unfortunaly the combination of poor writing in that article and my poor *nix skilz combined and I didn't add my "user" user to sudo'ers before disabling root |
| 04:21.08 | mattbmc | ;) |
| 04:21.28 | megabyte405 | sudo gainroot |
| 04:21.29 | _Monkey | sudo gainroot is failing. Is there any other way to switch to root? |
| 04:21.38 | megabyte405 | yeah, ssh |
| 04:21.41 | mattbmc | Canola has an install file. |
| 04:21.56 | megabyte405 | mattbmc: try making sure you have the basic maemo repositories first |
| 04:22.31 | Luria | but the biggest problem with the package mgr is this nice little bug - it keeps proxy info after you clear it... |
| 04:23.03 | Luria | ie, clear the proxy server in the connection settings |
| 04:24.02 | Luria | which is a big problem, say... if you use privoxy and try to backup, flash, restore. |
| 04:24.30 | megabyte405 | ahh, that sucks |
| 04:24.48 | mattbmc | megabyte405: This was on a a fresh OS install with only a few additional installer-based packages loaded before the Canola attempt (Xterm, VNC...a few others), so there should be (I hope) no chance of missing repositories. Is there a reference list of "the minimum" repositories for OS 2006 somewhere? |
| 04:24.56 | megabyte405 | restore cross-firmware-versions tends to break things anyway, but I can see how that would really get you out of luck if you needed to reflash same version |
| 04:25.27 | Luria | i now keep a copy of the privoxy deb on my internal sd card. |
| 04:25.27 | megabyte405 | mattbmc: well, the minimum for regular stuff and the minimum for extra stuff are two different things - I'd say just click and isntall a few things from maemo.org and you'll get all the repositories you need :D |
| 04:25.34 | pupnik | i think i've finalized my on-screen button design - it will fit to the right of any 640x480 game. Feel free to use it. http://pupnik.de/buttons3.png |
| 04:26.02 | pupnik | it's a little uneven but it's hardly noticeable on the 770 screen |
| 04:26.27 | mattbmc | megabyte405: That's just about what I did to get from the fresh OS install to the point where the Canola install failed.... |
| 04:26.46 | megabyte405 | mattbmc: is this the new 2007 n800 firmware? |
| 04:26.56 | megabyte405 | there was something weird with canola wanting to be first or close to first |
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| 04:27.06 | megabyte405 | and python was in there too somehow |
| 04:27.12 | megabyte405 | search internettablettalk.com |
| 04:27.15 | mattbmc | megabyte405: I think I'm gonna give becomeroot a shot and see if I can use that to undo my other goof -- hopefully I can get root access back with out reinstalling the OS ;) |
| 04:27.26 | megabyte405 | mattbmc: I'm sure you probably can |
| 04:28.33 | Luria | is there a way to go into single user mode? |
| 04:29.10 | mattbmc | (and for anyone who cares, I'm about ready to post the re-write to the Maemo Wiki page for HowDoiBecomeRoot2....mostly the same content, just better organized so it's clear what the steps are.) |
| 04:29.29 | megabyte405 | Luria: no idea - you'd either have to try an init (which might be thwarted by the watchdog timers) or screw with the boot manager |
| 04:29.39 | megabyte405 | mattbmc: cool - thanks for contributing |
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| 04:30.41 | Luria | input probably wouldnt work anyway :-/ |
| 04:30.50 | mattbmc | (welcome a proofreader - or several - to take a 2nd look for mistakes in the updated page) |
| 04:30.55 | mattbmc | welcome!! |
| 04:30.56 | mattbmc | :) |
| 04:31.12 | megabyte405 | Luria: good point - I wonder if a bt keyboard would work |
| 04:31.34 | mattbmc | Wiki is probably the best internet invention since the web (ruined it) in my opinion....love em! |
| 04:31.41 | Luria | well, i have one. i just wonder when the bt stack is loaded. |
| 04:32.39 | megabyte405 | no idea |
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| 04:33.02 | Luria | i actually cant wait to get the vm up and running. i havent had a reason to code in a while. |
| 04:33.31 | megabyte405 | Luria: come hack on AbiWord :) |
| 04:34.03 | Luria | no, just need a simple openvpn frontend. |
| 04:34.07 | Luria | :-) |
| 04:34.25 | Luria | havent worked on this platform before, so best to start easy |
| 04:34.30 | megabyte405 | Luria: please do share - I want one too !:) |
| 04:34.40 | mattbmc | Got an error when I posted, but it does not seem to have affected the actual posting. Enjoy: |
| 04:34.42 | mattbmc | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howdoibecomeroot2/ |
| 04:34.45 | megabyte405 | Luria: right now the issue is building - we were running on maemo 2 |
| 04:35.10 | Luria | oh right, i saw that. the power mgmt controls changed screwing the abi port |
| 04:35.14 | Luria | or something |
| 04:35.25 | Luria | iirc |
| 04:38.49 | Luria | ok, so i have a silly question. you connect to a host via ssh. you want to download a remote file. is there a way to do it without starting a second local shell and scping? or can openssh spawn it from inside the session? |
| 04:39.58 | Luria | i saw some gui clients can do it, but i suspect they are just starting a second connection... |
| 04:40.42 | mattbmc | Depending on your circumstances you might be able to initiate the tranfer from the session you are in, but from the far side. This probably isn't quite what you were looking for tho. |
| 04:41.17 | Luria | yeah, i thought back to the days of sz :-) |
| 04:41.44 | mattbmc | zmodem or somesuch would still be an option if yout clients are compatible. ;-) |
| 04:42.09 | mattbmc | havben't seen one of those since the early 90's tho |
| 04:42.10 | Luria | i see you were thinking back to sz too :-) |
| 04:42.35 | mattbmc | the "good old days" LOL |
| 04:42.50 | Luria | hell zmodem is modern |
| 04:42.56 | Luria | :-) |
| 04:43.21 | mattbmc | (no need to go there....already feel old without bringing X's and Y's into this!) |
| 04:43.29 | mattbmc | (no frogs needed either) |
| 04:43.34 | mattbmc | LOL |
| 04:43.38 | Luria | oooh kermit. |
| 04:43.46 | Luria | now i feel old. |
| 04:43.51 | Luria | and im not that old. |
| 04:43.54 | mattbmc | I once had a Kermit client. Once. |
| 04:43.55 | Luria | :-/ |
| 04:44.16 | Luria | remember rip clients? |
| 04:44.47 | mattbmc | not sure I knew that one...source? |
| 04:45.33 | Luria | http://members.accessbee.com/jkwasnik/RIP/rip.html |
| 04:45.44 | Luria | graphical bbs system |
| 04:46.10 | Luria | popped up in 93 or so |
| 04:46.29 | Luria | i think it stayed big on mac for a while |
| 04:48.58 | Luria | wow. qmodem doesnt have a wikipedia page. |
| 04:49.09 | mattbmc | Wow....I get it, but I don't think I ever ran into that.....by 93 I was already doing dial up internet instead of BBS's. |
| 04:49.10 | mattbmc | Wish I would have known tho....JPG's we SOO SLOOOOOW back then! ;-) |
| 04:50.02 | mattbmc | Qmodem was terminal software for the PC vs a transfer protocol tho, wasn't it? Seems I remember using that on a friends 286. :) |
| 04:50.08 | Luria | 1993, i started doing slip or similar over a borrowed dialup shell |
| 04:50.40 | Luria | ah, the ftp archives at wustl... |
| 04:50.47 | Luria | too much nostalgia |
| 04:51.10 | Luria | yeah, qmodem was great DOS terminal software |
| 04:51.24 | mattbmc | way cool. :) I actually managed to keep the same email address from the early 90's up until about 3 years ago when the company (coil.com) just seemed to dry up and blow away. |
| 04:51.55 | Luria | qmodem had great xfer protocol support and a nice scripting language |
| 04:51.56 | mattbmc | WUSTL and UMICH..... |
| 04:52.15 | mattbmc | being an Atari aficianado UMICH was my home away from home. ;-) |
| 04:52.20 | Luria | matt: that is very impressive. |
| 04:52.25 | mattbmc | WUST was great for everything else |
| 04:52.34 | Luria | ah, by those days i was on a hand me down pc/at |
| 04:52.55 | mattbmc | I was always a resistor.....watch this: |
| 04:53.30 | mattbmc | "Great DOS terminal software"...No such thing! |
| 04:53.37 | mattbmc | ;-) |
| 04:53.42 | Luria | and yet, it is so. |
| 04:53.47 | Luria | ;-) |
| 04:54.14 | mattbmc | I do miss the BBS days....8-bit computers were great. |
| 04:54.22 | Luria | it was funny. my school had a copy of pcboard that was unused. so when hayes came out with 28.8 V.FC modems, i made a deal with the school sysadmin... |
| 04:54.43 | Luria | i would run a copy of pcboard on the spare phone line at home |
| 04:54.49 | mattbmc | nice! |
| 04:54.49 | Luria | until hayes called to check |
| 04:54.57 | mattbmc | you had it made! |
| 04:54.57 | mattbmc | lol |
| 04:55.01 | Luria | and thus qualify for the sysop discount |
| 04:55.15 | Luria | for two modems, one for me, one for the school |
| 04:55.26 | Luria | for the discounted price of $288 |
| 04:55.28 | Luria | haha |
| 04:56.16 | Luria | the really cool thing was the uart on steriods ISA card hayes made to go with the modem |
| 04:56.42 | mattbmc | the 16556 or somethng like that? |
| 04:56.55 | mattbmc | (man....*really* gong back on that!!!) |
| 04:57.04 | Luria | the esp card |
| 04:57.31 | Luria | well, it was a 16550a, iirc, but with a way out of spec buffer |
| 04:57.55 | mattbmc | Ah...nice! |
| 04:58.24 | Luria | http://www.chips.navy.mil/archives/95_jan/file6.html |
| 04:59.20 | Luria | i remember that they were spec'ed to do 921k over local serial, which was insane for the day |
| 04:59.37 | Luria | and since we were ordering two of everything... |
| 05:00.00 | mattbmc | Wow...great link! |
| 05:00.03 | Luria | so we had to try it... |
| 05:00.15 | mattbmc | yeah,no doubt |
| 05:00.26 | Luria | we got like 500k |
| 05:00.57 | mattbmc | very interesting times....I was working at CompuServe during the 28.8 revolultion....they had a bg partnership with US Robotics (think there ended up being some insider trading involved) for the chips and built all their own modem boards....pretty sure they were the first (and prolly only for a little while) quad 28.8 modem boards in existence. |
| 05:01.08 | mattbmc | that's crazy! |
| 05:01.09 | mattbmc | ;) |
| 05:01.31 | Luria | later on, hayes kept good to their word and sent us rom upgrade chips for proper v.34 - with a new faceplate to reflect the new spec. |
| 05:01.40 | Luria | wow |
| 05:01.49 | mattbmc | They also built all their own X.25 routers for their network......they had X.25 links running at 2mb/s!! |
| 05:01.53 | Luria | that was a fun time |
| 05:02.03 | mattbmc | v.34 was 28.8 or 33.6? |
| 05:02.09 | Luria | i went from 2400baud to the fastest modem around |
| 05:02.11 | Luria | 28.8 |
| 05:02.13 | mattbmc | lol |
| 05:02.17 | mattbmc | k, right |
| 05:02.26 | Luria | v.fc was hayes' "draft" spec |
| 05:03.22 | Luria | i hope i still have that thing somewhere |
| 05:03.22 | mattbmc | I did make the interim jumps from 300 to 1200 to 2400 to 14.4 to 28.8....never higher until I bought my first Mac. Came with 33.6. Then cable modems came out a few years later. |
| 05:03.24 | mattbmc | Whew! |
| 05:03.43 | mattbmc | that really was a pretty amazing modem to be able to pull those speeds |
| 05:04.02 | Luria | hayes modems were great... i hope i still have it... the red leds and chrome and black finish... |
| 05:04.10 | mattbmc | yup |
| 05:04.34 | Luria | they were so solid. |
| 05:04.37 | mattbmc | remember seeing those in the computer mag's of the day and LUSTING for one.....but their prices were purely corporate. |
| 05:04.38 | Luria | never did 33.6 |
| 05:04.57 | Luria | yeah, i saved to get that |
| 05:06.21 | Luria | win modems depressed me. |
| 05:06.31 | mattbmc | you, me and A LOT of people |
| 05:06.34 | Luria | that was the end |
| 05:07.03 | Luria | terminal software sucks on guis |
| 05:07.33 | Luria | sigh. |
| 05:10.00 | mattbmc | definitely never the same since... |
| 05:11.00 | mattbmc | I'll grant modern copmuters all the 'cool' stuff they do.....but my Atari 800 had an aweful lot going for it. Almost instant-on.....never crashed....BASIC built in....etc |
| 05:11.16 | mattbmc | Loved that thing |
| 05:11.17 | mattbmc | ;) |
| 05:12.32 | Luria | expectations were different, tho. i remember how my IIc was portable because it had a swing out handle |
| 05:12.55 | Luria | and the mainboard and keyboard were in one unit |
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| 05:16.16 | Luria | see what happens when you mention zmodem! |
| 05:16.25 | mattbmc | I'm missing something with this becomeroot installer.....the Homepage does have an installer file, but it just opens as a text page. I save the *.install file and ran it from File Manager and I get "Operation Failed" from App Manager |
| 05:16.42 | mattbmc | LOL....no doubt |
| 05:17.10 | mattbmc | my neighbor had a IIc....never really had a chance to get close to it or use it tho |
| 05:17.47 | mattbmc | loved the concept....read all about it in Compute and Byte |
| 05:19.56 | Luria | im still unsure as to how the nokias handle filetype definitions |
| 05:20.46 | Luria | i would tell you to dl the debs directly and run dpkg, but if you could, well |
| 05:21.10 | Luria | you wouldnt be in this situation |
| 05:22.40 | Luria | I dunno. I think I would have liked it better if I were able to take it apart. |
| 05:22.50 | Luria | i loved pulling apart my 286 |
| 05:24.32 | Luria | wow. this is a lot of nostalgia for one day. earlier i ended up talking about my matrox m3d card (cause of the powervr chip) |
| 05:24.53 | mattbmc | lol |
| 05:25.05 | Luria | i think its the irc effect - i havent used irc for more than 10 minutes since the late 90s |
| 05:25.26 | Luria | so there you go |
| 05:25.29 | mattbmc | lol.....definitely....never was a big user, but this happens! |
| 05:26.02 | Luria | its to be expected with these devices |
| 05:26.14 | mattbmc | way past my bedtime now anyway....may have to just re-flash this thing with a new OS and stop wasting time |
| 05:26.18 | Luria | i hope they are profitable enough to make an n900 |
| 05:26.34 | Luria | yeah, reflash already :-) |
| 05:29.59 | mattbmc | :) indeed... |
| 05:30.21 | mattbmc | I'm more tempted every day to unload for an 800..... |
| 05:30.40 | mattbmc | ...gonna try to give this at least a few months first tho.... |
| 05:31.04 | Luria | i just bought my n800 mid june |
| 05:31.20 | Luria | i thought about the n770 for a minute cause its so cheap, but |
| 05:31.29 | Luria | there were too many deal breakers |
| 05:32.20 | mattbmc | ...99% of the reviews out there make it sounds worse than it really is. |
| 05:32.28 | Luria | in the house, i dont think theres too much difference |
| 05:32.36 | mattbmc | OS 2005 must have been pretty bad....definitely had key features missing |
| 05:32.48 | Luria | but as ive begun to use the n800 as a laptop replacement |
| 05:33.08 | Luria | im glad for the extra storage |
| 05:33.16 | mattbmc | yes... |
| 05:33.21 | Luria | plus the sd interface |
| 05:33.30 | mattbmc | that's one of the main attractors for me....dual SD |
| 05:33.30 | Presence_ | I have no complaint on the 770 |
| 05:33.38 | Presence_ | flash and mem are a it small |
| 05:33.44 | Presence_ | proc hasnt been bad for me |
| 05:33.47 | Presence_ | but for $139... |
| 05:33.51 | Luria | fair enough |
| 05:33.53 | mattbmc | ditto |
| 05:33.54 | mattbmc | ;-) |
| 05:34.03 | Luria | not begrudging anyone their choices |
| 05:34.27 | mattbmc | for a laptop relacement having 2 apps open would be quite limiting....among the other factors |
| 05:34.59 | Luria | and if you are using the n770 to read webpages on the couch, the n800 doesnt really have anything to offer |
| 05:35.25 | mattbmc | same beautiful screen |
| 05:35.26 | mattbmc | :) |
| 05:35.31 | Presence_ | Im good with it |
| 05:35.33 | Luria | true enough |
| 05:35.43 | Presence_ | I wish it had sd instead of mmc though |
| 05:35.51 | mattbmc | (even the iPhone users at work are pretty impressed with the screen on my 770) |
| 05:35.57 | Luria | Presence_, that very thing saved me tonight |
| 05:36.19 | mattbmc | My 2GB MMCmobile cards are supposed to be getting her early next week....maybe tomorrow if I'm luckyu |
| 05:36.37 | Presence_ | I ordered one |
| 05:36.38 | Luria | mattbmc: thats cause you didnt show them the screen outside :-) |
| 05:36.41 | Presence_ | but I have to reorder now |
| 05:36.50 | Presence_ | "cant be shipped to your address" |
| 05:36.52 | mattbmc | ;-) |
| 05:37.28 | mattbmc | Not sure I've had mine out in the sun, now that you mention it... |
| 05:37.57 | Presence_ | Im thinking about using the mmc as the primary os |
| 05:38.22 | Luria | take the n800, ruggedize and waterproof it, give it a useful camera, and mesh/wimax... im done. |
| 05:38.38 | Luria | oh, and transflective screen |
| 05:41.04 | Luria | huh. who knew - from wikipedia:Hayes originally had big plans for the form factor, referring to it as the Hayes Stack and intending to release a range of products that could be stacked beside the computer. In the end, the only non-modem device to be added to the line was the Hayes Stack Chronograph, an external real-time clock whose sales were apparently dismal. Early advertising referred to the Smartmodem as the "Ha |
| 05:41.04 | Luria | yes Stack Smartmodem", but this naming convention was dropped a short time later. |
| 05:41.38 | mattbmc | ;-) |
| 05:42.22 | Luria | a hayes chronograph. time to ebay... |
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| 05:42.47 | Luria | http://incolor.inebraska.com/bill_r/hayes_stack_chronograph.htm |
| 05:42.49 | mattbmc | Alright folks...signing off for the night. My pleasure chatting and being chatted up!! Luria: great reminiscing!! |
| 05:42.55 | mattbmc | Must sleep. |
| 05:42.56 | mattbmc | :) |
| 05:42.59 | Luria | take care |
| 05:43.15 | mattbmc | wow...great photo/link! |
| 05:43.36 | Luria | it's beautiful. i'd never heard of it. |
| 05:44.06 | Luria | anyway, g'night. |
| 05:44.17 | mattbmc | Hayes may have turned into a Belkin if they had a few more years before the industry ate them... |
| 05:44.38 | mattbmc | Yes, g'night! ...and goodluck! |
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| 06:40.40 | pupnik | Luria: yeah a low power b/w screen for sunlight would be great |
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| 07:30.00 | dubdibdub | hello there... |
| 07:31.01 | dubdibdub | i have two urgent questions.... |
| 07:31.35 | dubdibdub | how can i deactivate the wlan-adapter and the bluetooth adapter of the n800 via ssh (set offline mode??) |
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| 07:32.06 | dubdibdub | and how do i get the batterystate and charging informations via cmdline?? |
| 07:32.10 | dubdibdub | sry |
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| 07:32.44 | tigert | hmm |
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| 07:35.25 | dubdibdub | doesn't anyone know that?? |
| 07:35.28 | dubdibdub | help... :( |
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| 07:37.56 | tigert | ask on the mailing list and search the archives first? |
| 07:38.13 | tigert | its holiday season here in the office, thus nobody but crazy people like me are at work |
| 07:38.17 | tigert | :) |
| 07:38.20 | tigert | and people are packing for guadec etc |
| 07:38.47 | dubdibdub | :( |
| 07:39.14 | dubdibdub | i threw the whole osso stuff out - so i need a real basic method to gain information about the battery... |
| 07:39.31 | dubdibdub | but i can't find a battery device or something simmilar |
| 07:40.51 | dubdibdub | cannot find anything on google, the #maemo-archive and maemo.org :( |
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| 07:43.55 | zuh | The battery state isn't directly exposed, it's handled by the propriatry parts. There's a dbus signal for it normally, see http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2007-March/009300.html |
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| 07:44.48 | mk8 | Hi to all |
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| 07:53.59 | mk8 | A little question, I want to get the value insert in a FindToolbar but I not find the API to call, can anyone help me please? |
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| 07:58.33 | inz | mk8, I'm guessing the "prefix" property is what you're looking for |
| 08:00.05 | jani | tigert: are you goining to guadec ? |
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| 08:01.09 | Gathaja | nice, I succeeded in wrecking my svn repository with newer svn version outside scratchbox |
| 08:01.47 | jani | Gathaja: whole repository ? i've done the same but only with local data .. |
| 08:01.53 | dubdibdub | zuh: who generates the dbus messages?? |
| 08:02.11 | jani | svn in sb is just a tad bit too old =) |
| 08:02.42 | mk8 | thanks inz |
| 08:02.56 | inz | dbudibdub, bme-dbus-proxy |
| 08:03.29 | Gathaja | well when I try to commit it gives "Unable to open an ra_local session to URL" "Program version 4.2 doesn't match environment version" |
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| 08:04.30 | Gathaja | I think it still works from outside |
| 08:04.33 | jani | Gathaja: well, it could be only your local checkout .. |
| 08:05.04 | Gathaja | oh |
| 08:05.06 | jani | so, copy all the changed files to safe, remove the checkout, do new checkout and copy the changed files over the new checkout .. |
| 08:05.30 | jani | i had the same error if i remember correctly.. |
| 08:05.34 | Gathaja | okay |
| 08:06.10 | jani | using newer svn client just changes some files inside .svn folder and older version doesnt cope with those. |
| 08:08.32 | Gathaja | gives the same error |
| 08:10.03 | jani | you did rm -rf for the directory and didnt include the .svn subfolders when copying over the changes ? |
| 08:10.59 | Gathaja | it gives the error when I try to checkout |
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| 08:11.20 | dubdibdub | inz: and who gives the powermessages to the bme-dbus-proxy? |
| 08:11.32 | suihkulokki | bme |
| 08:12.10 | jani | ok, it could be that you need to remove ~/.subversion folder too .. |
| 08:12.31 | Gathaja | i'll try :) |
| 08:12.33 | jani | rename it first so you dont loose anything.. |
| 08:13.14 | AD-N770 | good morning |
| 08:14.34 | Gathaja | jani: won't help |
| 08:15.03 | jani | sounds pretty weird.. |
| 08:15.33 | Gathaja | maybe I just create a new rep, old stuff is still okay if I use the repository outside scratchbox |
| 08:17.03 | jani | just to be safe, you did everything i suggested inside scratchbox ? |
| 08:17.09 | jani | =) |
| 08:17.21 | Gathaja | yes.. :) |
| 08:17.25 | dubdibdub | suihkulokki: and who is bme?? |
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| 08:18.02 | jani | hehe ok. =) |
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| 08:20.53 | tigert | jani: affirmative |
| 08:21.04 | inz | dubdibdub, http://maemo.org/community/wiki/codenames/ |
| 08:21.24 | dubdibdub | inz: where do i get the sourcecode to bme?? |
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| 08:21.47 | dubdibdub | already found: |
| 08:21.48 | dubdibdub | Nokia-N800-10:/# bme -V |
| 08:21.49 | dubdibdub | Battery Management Entity (BME), version 1.6.23.10 |
| 08:21.49 | dubdibdub | Copyright (c) 2003-2006 Nokia Corporation. All rights reserved. |
| 08:21.58 | inz | dubdibdub, you don't |
| 08:23.23 | inz | dubdibdub, see http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-users/2007-April/005009.html for some info on battery level reading, skipping bme |
| 08:23.46 | jani | dubdibdub: you could use strace to see what bme does to query the battery state .. |
| 08:29.48 | suihkulokki | dubdibdub: unfortunatly since the "ooh, lithium-ion batteries can explode" scaremongering companies are quite relucant to let people tamper with battery charging code |
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| 08:51.01 | sbaturzio | Aloha! |
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| 09:03.47 | alterego | It came! Despite the mail strike I've now got a shiny new N800! ^_^ |
| 09:04.01 | alterego | It's so pretty! |
| 09:04.23 | gla55_ | your... precious? |
| 09:04.32 | alterego | :D |
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| 09:11.35 | bilboed | slomo, about to try your new patches |
| 09:12.12 | slomo | bilboed: cool... but probably the wrong channel for this :) |
| 09:12.18 | bilboed | slomo, true :) |
| 09:13.04 | alterego | :) |
| 09:13.44 | alterego | It wont connect to my router .. :( |
| 09:13.52 | alterego | I think because it is hidden. |
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| 09:51.49 | eugene | http://eugeneteo.livejournal.com/7484.html |
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| 10:08.02 | V-I-P | Wirtschaftsbücher Inhaltsangaben auf http://www.dieweisheit.de und Wirtschaftsbücher Zusammenfassungen |
| 10:08.09 | V-I-P | ups, wrong window |
| 10:09.32 | suihkulokki | Ich also haben ein panzerwagen in mein leferhosen |
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| 10:21.09 | lardman | morning |
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| 10:30.39 | V-I-P | "<suihkulokki> Ich also haben ein panzerwagen in mein leferhosen" lol, whats that ? |
| 10:31.07 | florian | good morning |
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| 10:33.08 | lardman | Does anyone have a list of Java bytecode to actual numerical byte values? |
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| 10:40.20 | lardman | For example is 0x00 a valid value for a Java bytecode? |
| 10:41.37 | suihkulokki | lardman: http://java.sun.com/docs/books/jvms/second_edition/html/Instructions.doc.html |
| 10:42.45 | lardman | suihkulokki: Thanks. I saw that, but it just seems to give the mnemonics for the instructions, rather than the actual values of the mnemonics |
| 10:44.47 | inz | lardman, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_bytecode ? |
| 10:46.57 | lardman | inz: Great, thanks |
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| 11:19.40 | X-Fade | I themed the mailinglist archives. If someone notices some rendering bugs, please tell me :) |
| 11:19.43 | X-Fade | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-July/thread.html |
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| 11:24.24 | Fatal | works fine with no style selected, so I'm happy :) |
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| 11:25.20 | X-Fade | Fatal: Yeah, just pure css. So that should work too.. |
| 11:33.37 | lardman | oops maemo.org is broken |
| 11:34.08 | lardman | Parse error: syntax error, unexpected '<' in /var/cache/midgard/midgard/7-49-31-0.php on line 138 |
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| 11:42.16 | X-Fade | lardman: Yep, should be fixed soon :) |
| 11:42.41 | lardman | X-Fade: Okay |
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| 13:30.48 | hjlgck | is it possible to do contextual ui easily with hildon? |
| 13:34.11 | alterego | It's really not that much different to GTK hjlgck |
| 13:37.06 | hjlgck | was hoping for an interface that isn't the usual ugly gtk or qt interface |
| 13:37.56 | hjlgck | i've played too many games and was hoping to do a ui like many games |
| 13:37.59 | alterego_N800 | ugly? |
| 13:38.55 | hjlgck | yeah, the normal file, edit tools preference dialog |
| 13:39.17 | hjlgck | i was hoping to make it prettier |
| 13:39.32 | hjlgck | running e17 on my desktop |
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| 13:40.15 | hjlgck | sorry for being slow to respond, typing from my n800 |
| 13:40.38 | OgMaciel | morning all! |
| 13:40.41 | disqk | alterego_N800: n800? grats! |
| 13:41.33 | alterego_N800 | :) yeah arrived this morning. |
| 13:42.10 | alterego_N800 | Despite the postal strike. I'm so happy XD |
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| 14:00.18 | X-Fade | alterego_N800: So, when can I have my video out please :D |
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| 14:45.16 | GrumpyOldMan | any one get a 770 from woot |
| 14:46.52 | Tu13es | i did |
| 14:46.58 | Tu13es | but sold it and got an n800 |
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| 14:53.55 | jpcass | looks like my n770 has seriously crashed :-( |
| 14:55.16 | alterego_N800 | Hmm. l can't seem to find the program to sort the application menu. Anyone help? |
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| 14:56.02 | GrumpyOldMan | wsod here. trying to get a woot receipt nokia will honor. ( need serial ) |
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| 14:57.13 | keesj | need "break out" hardware ,jtag serial , usb-host |
| 14:57.17 | keesj | need money |
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| 15:00.42 | Tu13es | alterego_N800: Control Panel > Navigation |
| 15:01.26 | alterego_N800 | Nice thanks :) |
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| 15:03.23 | keesj | did somebod here every looked at wireless usb? |
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| 15:06.42 | jga23 | how can I tell from the scratchbox what version of bora I'm running? |
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| 15:08.41 | `0660 | jga23, check /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 15:09.57 | jga23 | I just ran a apt-get dist-upgrade but my sources.list still says 3.0 |
| 15:11.27 | `0660 | yeah |
| 15:11.40 | `0660 | apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't upgrade your sources.list |
| 15:11.52 | jga23 | so do I do that manually? |
| 15:12.04 | `0660 | follow the instructions at http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ |
| 15:12.54 | jga23 | k, and I need to do it on both x86 and armel? |
| 15:13.12 | `0660 | yes |
| 15:13.31 | `0660 | actually the instructions advice you to do it for both of them |
| 15:14.12 | jga23 | if I'm just doing some python apps, do I need to do both x86 and armel? |
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| 15:15.54 | melmoth | jga23, theoretically no |
| 15:16.12 | melmoth | but strangely enough my python package are not noarch |
| 15:16.32 | jpcass | i just reflashed but still not good ;-( - i head startup sound, but screen is blank white, now two vertical lines - anyone seen this on their 770? |
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| 15:16.44 | melmoth | so you may want the armel target as well , just in case you dont want to have to invetsigate how ot make noarch debs |
| 15:17.19 | jga23 | ok, thanks |
| 15:17.40 | jga23 | so after the dist-upgrade, I should change my sources.list to 3.2 right/ |
| 15:17.41 | jga23 | > |
| 15:19.23 | melmoth | i have never been bold enough to attempt a dist-upgrade in maemo |
| 15:19.32 | melmoth | it s written 'not supported' on the can. |
| 15:19.49 | melmoth | and i m ...lazy :) |
| 15:19.54 | jga23 | oh, this is in scratchbox |
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| 15:21.21 | melmoth | oh, yeah, i made a dist upgrade from 3.0 to 3.1 |
| 15:21.25 | melmoth | is it ready for 3.2 ? |
| 15:21.32 | melmoth | carp, just when i have to go on holiday :) |
| 15:21.53 | jga23 | I don't think 3.2 is a very big update |
| 15:22.56 | melmoth | i only have 'bora' mentionnin in my sources.list |
| 15:27.37 | alterego_N800 | I've been using this thing all day and the battery is still going. |
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| 15:34.48 | jga23 | anybody tried synergy on maemo? |
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| 15:41.42 | keesj | jga23: a while ago yes, |
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| 15:42.28 | keesj | and now it really should be fun, I have seen the syngery ui come by on the garage page, and also a "simple script to show the mouse" |
| 15:44.14 | jga23 | nice, I'll have to give it a shot |
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| 16:00.34 | jpcass | hmm... looking on internet seems like my 770 has got "white screen of death" - this is terminal ;-( |
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| 16:01.02 | TimRiker | my n800 just messed up it's display too. no scrollbars, can't see what I've selected, etc. it that the "white screen of death" ? or is there a more messed up version? |
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| 16:02.44 | lardman | afternoon |
| 16:03.01 | suihkulokki | jpcass: yeah, you need to send it for repair :| |
| 16:03.03 | ||cw | WSOD is when you turn it on and it is just white, nothing else |
| 16:03.23 | lardman | Any ideas on the cause of an error like this?: ./test_jazelle: ./test_jazelle: 1: Syntax error: word unexpected (expecting ")") |
| 16:03.30 | suihkulokki | TimRiker: no, you probably have a messed up theme or other software issue |
| 16:04.33 | TimRiker | suihkulokki: any known fix? changing themes back and forth did not do it. |
| 16:05.26 | TimRiker | ||cw: ah. not been that bad off yet. though my n800 I sent back on RMA 6 weeks ago still has not come back nor have I heard any word on it. |
| 16:06.07 | suihkulokki | TimRiker: no idea |
| 16:06.10 | TimRiker | nice service level from Nokia. brand new defective unit sent back for repair (which I had to pay for) and they don't so much as email me an update. |
| 16:06.34 | TimRiker | 6 weeks and counting. it's kinda ridiculous. |
| 16:06.36 | lardman | Are return values from a binary mapped to some text string depending on their value? If so, what does the mapping? |
| 16:12.12 | lardman | hmm, I wonder how an error value that looks more applicable to a script could be returned from an ELF binary? |
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| 16:33.51 | jpcass | suihkulokki: thanks I feared so. do you think they will be good about repairing it? I bought it on ebay... ;-( |
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| 16:38.06 | jpcass | TimRiker: I think WSOD is known for 770, I didnt read anything about it affecting 800, its caused by failure in the LCD controller. |
| 16:49.58 | Tu13es | what's the deal with this "Red Pill" mode? |
| 17:05.37 | lardman | Tu13es: You can see 'system' packages |
| 17:05.37 | Tu13es | do i have any reason to enable it? |
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| 17:09.26 | alterego_N800 | This is the first time I've listened to the radio in years. |
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| 17:14.56 | Mikho | would somebody have a ready-made solution to making STL containers (Queue in my case) thread-safe? |
| 17:24.44 | Mikho | ... it seems there are many ways to solve the problem, without any being clearly the best |
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| 18:07.37 | kender | hi |
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| 18:08.56 | kender | keesj, are you there? |
| 18:09.03 | schmofarz | hi |
| 18:09.08 | kender | hey schmofarz |
| 18:09.54 | schmofarz | im having serious problems to install other than the standard packages |
| 18:09.58 | schmofarz | on n770 |
| 18:10.17 | schmofarz | for instance cgoban |
| 18:10.40 | schmofarz | and i cannot find basic tools like telnet |
| 18:11.07 | schmofarz | where i can get the right sources.lists entries? |
| 18:11.18 | schmofarz | for this? |
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| 18:44.35 | boobee | hi, anyone knows where i can find libmysqlclient12 built for 770? 10x |
| 18:46.09 | renatofilho_ | boobee: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=177106 |
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| 18:48.32 | Luria | anyone using their IT with cingular edge? |
| 18:49.44 | Luria | i think i finally found a reason to get a new phone |
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| 18:56.22 | boobee | renatofilho_ that's 1.5 unfortunately... |
| 19:12.59 | boobee | renatofilho_ do you have the old libmysqlclient12 package still around maybe? sorry for insisting... |
| 19:17.50 | boobee | i'm trying to install plutohome orbiter on 770 and this package is missing, unavailable on garage too |
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| 19:56.53 | GrumpyOldMan | did you guys see the pics of the rumored 800 update with keyboard ? |
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| 20:05.13 | zyxulnaga | nop |
| 20:05.18 | zyxulnaga | you have a url? |
| 20:06.57 | Luria | it was on engaget |
| 20:08.03 | GrumpyOldMan | i posted the link i found on digg -> http://digg.com/gadgets/Nokia_N800_Version_2_to_Feature_Retractable_QWERTY_Keyboard |
| 20:08.07 | GrumpyOldMan | really sexy looking |
| 20:08.26 | GrumpyOldMan | wish my 770 didn't wsod after a week of use. |
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| 20:14.22 | GrumpyOldMan | anyone on pownce ? |
| 20:14.38 | Drakeson | does n800 have accelerometers? |
| 20:17.07 | Luria | Drakeson, i dont believe so, nor is it in the omap spec, afaik |
| 20:19.32 | Drakeson | what is omap spec? |
| 20:21.30 | Luria | omap (specificially the 2420) is the SoC which the n800 is built around |
| 20:22.53 | Luria | http://focus.ti.com/pdfs/wtbu/TI_omap2420.pdf |
| 20:23.40 | GrumpyOldMan | anyone have any numbers on how prevelent 770 wsod is ? |
| 20:23.47 | Drakeson | thanks |
| 20:24.02 | Luria | of course, that doesnt mean it cant be added on, but ive never heard anyone even speculate about it, including those brave souls who diassembled their tablets |
| 20:24.26 | Luria | Drakeson: no |
| 20:24.29 | Luria | err |
| 20:24.31 | Luria | np |
| 20:24.33 | Luria | :-) |
| 20:25.41 | Luria | anyone know if there is a pen gestures library? |
| 20:25.54 | Luria | python would be nice, but whatever |
| 20:26.10 | Drakeson | Luria: I need to get a few devices with open source platform. I am looking into n800+maemo and openmoko now. |
| 20:27.00 | Luria | Drakeson - interesting stuff |
| 20:27.01 | Drakeson | it seems that n800 is much more stable than openmoko's devices, but I need accelerometers and they have planned it |
| 20:27.52 | GrumpyOldMan | see if anyone is makining a accelerometer sd card ? |
| 20:28.06 | Luria | i think the usb approach is more useful |
| 20:28.15 | GrumpyOldMan | use a wiimote ? |
| 20:28.32 | Luria | wiimote is a major hassle. |
| 20:28.44 | Drakeson | it (openmoko's next device) will not be released soon though, so it helps me if I know if accelerometers are planned in a future release for n800(or next) |
| 20:29.09 | GrumpyOldMan | yeah but its fun for wiisaber and well for the wii. |
| 20:29.16 | Luria | very little data about future internet tablets |
| 20:29.45 | Drakeson | iphone could be a good choice if it would had an open platform, and would be available here |
| 20:29.55 | Luria | a hacker buddy and i bought our n800s at the same time, and proceeded to play with them 'til 5am the next morning... |
| 20:30.07 | Luria | he brought his wiimote along |
| 20:30.25 | Luria | best he could do was pairing and *maybe* button presses, iirc |
| 20:30.55 | Luria | Drakeson, the n800 would be a better choice, if it had an accelerometer :-) |
| 20:30.55 | Drakeson | yeah, I don't think wii could do any good for me |
| 20:31.45 | Luria | what i mean is, i would expect an open accelerometer hack before an open iphone. |
| 20:31.48 | suihkulokki | wiimote works very well in linux, so it should not be hard to use with n800 |
| 20:32.20 | Luria | man, i need to get me one of those wiimotes. |
| 20:32.29 | GrumpyOldMan | works great in osx too. |
| 20:32.43 | Luria | err, now that there are some people here, is anyone using the n800 with cingular? |
| 20:32.44 | suihkulokki | alternatively you can use the camera for motion detection, but that's quite low quality |
| 20:32.46 | GrumpyOldMan | http://isnoop.net/blog/category/made-by-isnoop/wiisaber/ |
| 20:33.08 | GrumpyOldMan | Luria: i was using my 770 with cingular/att |
| 20:33.15 | Drakeson | suihkulokki: sorry, I am confused. How do you use a wiimote in linux? do you install linux on nintendo wii? |
| 20:33.23 | GrumpyOldMan | had to change isp.cingular.... to wap.cingular... |
| 20:33.33 | suihkulokki | Drakeson: wiimote is a bluetooth device |
| 20:33.34 | GrumpyOldMan | wiimote is bluetooth. |
| 20:33.48 | Luria | GrumpyOldMan: yeah, i just tried it out over my v551 flashed for edge |
| 20:33.49 | Drakeson | i see. |
| 20:34.00 | Luria | it was nasty slow |
| 20:34.11 | Luria | i was wondering if you were using a data plan |
| 20:34.12 | GrumpyOldMan | Luria: i used my se s710a |
| 20:34.22 | GrumpyOldMan | have $19 unlimited data plan. |
| 20:35.02 | Luria | what is it called? i was doing this to figure out whether it works before adding services to my plan |
| 20:35.12 | GrumpyOldMan | speed as of last year was only 80kps before iphone lauch it was just over 200kps. after iphone launch speed vary as to how many crazy iphone ppl are around. |
| 20:35.22 | trevarthan | GrumpyOldMan: I dunno. Looks a lot less polished than the current n800... |
| 20:35.29 | GrumpyOldMan | issue with edge is the suck ass latency. |
| 20:35.35 | Luria | i was getting 14k on a class 4 edge phone in manhattan. |
| 20:35.56 | GrumpyOldMan | I think the current n800 is ugly looking. I like the look of the 770 more. |
| 20:36.21 | GrumpyOldMan | Luria: jesus... the iphone ratio in manhattan has to be NUTS. |
| 20:36.30 | Luria | yeah, im glad i got an n800, but the 770 is much nicer looking |
| 20:36.42 | trevarthan | huh. I think it's pretty attractive. I just wish the dpad was a little nicer. |
| 20:36.52 | Luria | yeah, the downside to having a major flagship store |
| 20:36.52 | GrumpyOldMan | I couldn't resist $129... but i only got to play with ir for a week. |
| 20:37.19 | Luria | the upside is an open wifi spot on 59th and 5th :-) |
| 20:37.29 | GrumpyOldMan | I need to pay a pilgrimage there one of these days. |
| 20:37.49 | Luria | go late at night, preferably drunk :-) |
| 20:38.02 | Luria | 3am is a good time |
| 20:38.08 | Luria | far too crowded otherwise |
| 20:38.45 | pupnik | I'd be curious how many fps the N800 gets with snes9x |
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| 20:38.55 | pupnik | say, chrono trigger or summat |
| 20:38.55 | trevarthan | me too. |
| 20:39.03 | GrumpyOldMan | I'll just have to camp out at the local store for leopard launch... I was first in line at the tiger launch... course i kind of cheated... I had a female geek friend of mine go earlier... and she switched places with me... so she was stuck being #2 |
| 20:39.04 | trevarthan | mario |
| 20:39.09 | Luria | actually, i did go to the 5th ave store after 3am once.... i was sober, but my friend was a bit high. she ended up buying an imac, but i dont think there was a causal relationship. |
| 20:39.27 | pupnik | trevarthan: you don't have a n800? |
| 20:39.35 | trevarthan | no, I do. |
| 20:39.52 | GrumpyOldMan | typing on my mbp... since my nokia 770 display is useless :( |
| 20:39.52 | trevarthan | didn't know snes9x was prepackaged for it though... is it? |
| 20:40.26 | Luria | i cant believe some of the nokia support decisions. |
| 20:40.44 | pupnik | Not packaged, it's a work in progress... http://pupnik.de/snes9x_maemo.tgz |
| 20:41.04 | GrumpyOldMan | Luria: like ? |
| 20:41.12 | Luria | i went to the nokia flagship store on 57th st as a last resort to buy a replacement headset |
| 20:41.16 | pupnik | But DrPocketSNES is much faster, and that requires more work to port |
| 20:41.25 | trevarthan | I wonder how much money the n800 makes for nokia. They keep working on it, so it can't be that bad, but it seems like a highly hacker oriented device. |
| 20:41.37 | Luria | they had none for sale - though they were kind enough to give me an out of box spare |
| 20:41.52 | Luria | i offered to pay even, but they wouldnt take my money |
| 20:41.57 | trevarthan | pupnik: I've got some limited experience hacking snes9x for mythgame a while back. |
| 20:42.10 | Luria | but here's the thing - |
| 20:42.51 | Luria | they didnt have it in their system. they called their local support store, they didnt have it either. |
| 20:42.54 | Luria | n800 case? not in their system |
| 20:43.12 | Luria | i dont get it |
| 20:44.22 | pupnik | trevarthan: well the internal fps counter seems to be inaccurate on this build on n800. I do see 30fps on some demos and simple games - ones that make limited use of PPU features... http://pupnik.de/770_snes9x_pacman.jpg |
| 20:44.52 | trevarthan | pupnik: 1.) why is DrPocketSNES more work? 2.) why is it faster? |
| 20:44.56 | Luria | Drakeson: http://www.cc.gatech.edu/ccg/resources/btacc/ |
| 20:45.52 | Luria | huh. there is a baretta flagship store in manhattan. who knew? |
| 20:46.08 | Luria | i wonder who shops there? |
| 20:46.10 | pupnik | trevarthan: 1) it's built for the gp2x and uses some gp2x libs and the framebuffer 2) there are various engines for different SNES components - DrPocketSnes uses the fastest core components available, and is slightly less accurate/compatible than snes9x |
| 20:46.33 | trevarthan | ah |
| 20:46.47 | pupnik | http://wiki.gp2x.org/wiki/DrPocketSNES |
| 20:46.54 | trevarthan | yeah, I saw that |
| 20:47.21 | trevarthan | so.... can you run mario on the 770? is it playable? |
| 20:47.48 | pupnik | haven't tried mario - get about 5 fps on Chrono without sound |
| 20:48.44 | trevarthan | pupnik: I see... http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5742 |
| 20:50.17 | Luria | i wish they had added some extra buttons to the n800 |
| 20:50.28 | Luria | like *anything* on the right side |
| 20:51.08 | Luria | bt gamepads seem to be a no go after 30 min of google searching, but i would love to be wrong |
| 20:51.20 | trevarthan | I think the wiimote works. |
| 20:51.56 | pupnik | Anything BT means you need to set the nokia on a table or lap-board. When that is avaialbe, i just use the BT keyboard for gaming |
| 20:52.27 | trevarthan | gamepads are more fun, IMO. |
| 20:52.45 | Luria | pupnik, almost true - but not if you made it into a clip on system |
| 20:53.01 | trevarthan | besides, you could always mount the n800 on a headrest in the car and use the wiimote for remote control and gaming. |
| 20:53.09 | trevarthan | my son would love that during long trips. :) |
| 20:53.57 | trevarthan | I might buy a wiimote and integrate it with Kagu sometime. that would be pretty cool for the car. |
| 20:54.07 | Luria | http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=BT-GAMEPAD-WHT&cat=NET |
| 20:54.07 | Luria | like so |
| 20:54.28 | tigert | I think keeping the n800 in a table is kinda an insult to the whole idea of the device :) |
| 20:54.45 | Luria | trevarthan - punch up the volume? |
| 20:55.09 | trevarthan | Luria: what? |
| 20:55.54 | Luria | increase volume play back by punching with the wiimote :-) |
| 20:56.18 | Luria | err playback volume. beware of using cut and paste to edit yourself :-/ |
| 20:56.19 | trevarthan | oh yeah. I hadn't thought about the accelerometer. :) That would be cool! :) |
| 20:57.10 | trevarthan | shoot. I might buy a wiimote for a robotics project. Gut it and use the accelerometer via bluetooth. |
| 20:58.04 | Luria | i dont know why you would build it where there are wiimotes to break apart, but |
| 20:58.05 | Luria | http://www.cc.gatech.edu/ccg/resources/btacc/ |
| 20:58.36 | Luria | it is kinda small tho |
| 20:58.42 | trevarthan | yeah, sparkfun makes one too. But the wiimote would be easier, I think. |
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| 20:58.53 | dragorn | trevarthan: I was just going to say sparkfun |
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| 21:02.59 | Luria | hmm interesting site sparkfun has. |
| 21:03.34 | Luria | the keyboard and solar gps arent enough for me... need more bt pairings :-) |
| 21:03.55 | trevarthan | Yeah, they've got an excellent tutorial on how to give yourself lead poisoning for fun and profit too. :) |
| 21:04.22 | zyxulnaga | I did one with a dlink bt usb and setup virtual ip interfaces with it |
| 21:04.24 | Luria | lead poisoning for profit sounds tricky. |
| 21:04.55 | Luria | zyxulnaga, sounds like a good way to get evdo via usb dongle working |
| 21:05.00 | trevarthan | Luria: I'm lookin' around for a BT -> serial adapter. Ultimately I want BT -> I2C, but I think I'll have to do it in two hops. BT->Serial is ridiculously expensive... |
| 21:06.21 | trevarthan | Luria: regarding the lead poisoning: http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/present.php?p=Stenciling |
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| 21:08.33 | Luria | well, i always complain that i dont get to shoot enough in nyc, so maybe some lead poisoning would help compensate (j/k) |
| 21:10.13 | Luria | oh wow |
| 21:10.18 | Luria | great link |
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| 21:12.06 | Luria | seriously though, they should use gloves. |
| 21:12.15 | trevarthan | yuh. |
| 21:13.10 | trevarthan | I know a guy who used the same process to mass produce some openservo boards: http://www.openservo.com/ |
| 21:13.24 | Luria | i mean dangerous fun things are one thing. but thats not necessary... |
| 21:13.34 | pupnik | lead is overrated as a poison... |
| 21:13.42 | trevarthan | I bought a bunch of them. They're pretty cool. Wishing I had bigger servos though. Not a whole lot you can do with little bitty hobby things. |
| 21:14.30 | trevarthan | I want life sized robots, dangit. |
| 21:14.42 | trevarthan | With n800 brains. |
| 21:15.05 | pupnik | :) |
| 21:15.15 | Luria | listen, i dont usually wear gloves when i shoot, but i am concious to wash my hands. and thats with powder residue, not gobs of paste. |
| 21:15.23 | trevarthan | And I want it to mow my lawn. 'Cause that crap is getting loooooong. |
| 21:15.48 | trevarthan | Luria: but when is the last time you went insane from lead poisoning? |
| 21:15.57 | trevarthan | Or knew someone who did? |
| 21:16.03 | Luria | yesterday, but im all better now :-) |
| 21:16.06 | trevarthan | :) |
| 21:17.02 | ||cw | trevarthan: like this one? http://nokia770.com/348 |
| 21:17.39 | trevarthan | skeet skeet skeet skeet skeet skeet! |
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| 21:27.08 | trevarthan | ||cw: see, that's awesome, but it's too small to be useful for anything. It's just a big expensive toy. |
| 21:28.05 | trevarthan | Someone needs to make a servo kit that is about 3-4x that size, or larger. Then see what the open source community can do with it. |
| 21:28.22 | trevarthan | I bet robots would be mowing our lawns in under a year. |
| 21:28.40 | trevarthan | It's all software after you get the hardware built and sold. |
| 21:29.53 | pupnik | do you follow the robotic football (soccer) world cup? |
| 21:30.56 | pupnik | np: Drimble Wedge and the Vegetations - Bedazzled |
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| 21:47.18 | TimRiker | I'm having issues connecting to motorola ezx phones with an n800 and a linux laptop for that matter. they seem to have a broken ppp implementation that refuses to negotiate ips correctly. |
| 21:47.36 | TimRiker | anyone using one of these phones over bluetooth with a tablet? |
| 21:48.10 | TimRiker | Last I tried was an n800 with a Mot a1200 (ming). |
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| 21:49.09 | TimRiker | take my sim card out a put in in a samsung phone, and all was well. the a1200 is edge (well, mine is anyway) and the samsung is not. |
| 21:50.01 | TimRiker | I can connect from my laptop to it (tested over usb) by forcing the remote IP address to anything. it really wants to just be 0.0.0.0 but I can't seem to get pppd to configure that way. |
| 21:50.27 | TimRiker | well, something to ponder if anyone has a phone to test with. |
| 21:50.50 | TimRiker | I wonder if it works with an openmoko model. :) |
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| 22:08.17 | Luria | TimRiker, fwiw, i got my motorola v551 working a couple of hours ago |
| 22:09.34 | Luria | http://www.phoneboy.com/node/1347 |
| 22:09.42 | Luria | was particularly useful |
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| 22:20.18 | TimRiker | Luria: that's about what I tried with no luck. I changed my plan with t-mobile to use internet3 instead. I lent my n800's out though, so I'll have to try again when I get them back. (well the 2 I have... 1 is still at nokia for services. I think we're at 7 weeks now, and no word.) |
| 22:23.37 | TimRiker | no emails, no phone calls, no promises, no contact info that I know of. might has well have just tossed it and eaten the $400. It looks like it'll come to that in the end anyway. |
| 22:24.33 | pupnik | TimRiker: where i live, the dealer has to accept defective units |
| 22:24.49 | pupnik | actually a DOA is a case for an instant refund/exchange |
| 22:24.55 | TimRiker | where I live there are no local dealers that carry it. so I had to buy it online. |
| 22:25.22 | pupnik | What was the defect? |
| 22:25.27 | TimRiker | so this _is_ the (much less than) instand exchange. |
| 22:25.37 | TimRiker | it would not charge the battery. |
| 22:25.54 | pupnik | mhm |
| 22:25.59 | TimRiker | swapped chargers and batteries with another unit, reflashed the os, still the same. |
| 22:26.28 | TimRiker | insert changer and you get "not charging" displayed all the way till the battery goes dead and it shuts off. |
| 22:26.38 | TimRiker | s/changer/charger/ |
| 22:27.26 | TimRiker | so the "instant" exchange costs me shipping and takes over 7 weeks so far. |
| 22:28.32 | TimRiker | contrast this with HP's iPaq support. I call them on a not-new unit that's defective. they next day air me a new unit with a pre-paid return envelope to send the old one back. less than 24 hours and I'm up and running again. |
| 22:28.56 | TimRiker | at no expense to me at all. |
| 22:29.10 | TimRiker | ~lart nokia service |
| 22:29.10 | infobot | flings poo at nokia service |
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| 22:55.00 | ty | Hello! Just wondering if anyone has heard of connecting a bluetooth wacom tablet to a 770? (I know, a bit pointless... but what the hell) |
| 22:58.15 | ty | Not even a sarcastic comment...? Lively channel ;) I guess I'll test it further myself... |
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