| 00:00.26 | pupnik | fugly too |
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| 00:09.42 | edt | looks like garage.maemo.org has coded its debs as application/x-archive |
| 00:09.56 | edt | the installer does not know what to do with this |
| 00:10.16 | edt | you can fix it by editing two files and running some update scripts |
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| 00:14.35 | edt | update the appliction's file in /usr/share/applications/hildon |
| 00:14.49 | edt | run: update-desktop-database |
| 00:15.08 | edt | update the application's file in: /usr/share/mime/packages |
| 00:15.19 | edt | run: update-mime-database /usr/share/mime |
| 00:15.30 | pupnik | edt amazing! |
| 00:15.45 | edt | and it will find use the installer for application/x-archive |
| 00:15.48 | pupnik | wait edt, i think those are mistakes made by individual packagers |
| 00:15.57 | edt | not sure |
| 00:16.00 | pupnik | there is no central authority packaging debs on garage |
| 00:16.31 | edt | all I have checked today so x-archive including mapper which I (re)installed yesterday |
| 00:17.07 | edt | its the mime type supplied by garage on the download page(s) |
| 00:17.23 | edt | so I do think its garage that may well be at fault |
| 00:21.05 | edt | s/so/say/ three lines back |
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| 00:22.02 | edt | nite |
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| 00:34.27 | dick-richardson | anyone have a good maemo mapper url? |
| 00:38.52 | pupnik | !google test |
| 00:38.56 | pupnik | hrm |
| 00:41.11 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody been able to get 3rd party themes to work on the new firmware? |
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| 01:01.37 | unique311 | not able to install kontorris nouvo theme |
| 01:01.48 | unique311 | sucks only theme i really like |
| 01:02.15 | unique311 | nuvoblack |
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| 01:06.47 | TimRiker | Is this a known issue atm? Failed to fetch http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/pool/main/libg/libgpg-error/libgpg-error0_1.0-1mh1_armel.deb 302 Moved [IP: 193.64.31.15 80] |
| 01:07.15 | TimRiker | seems to happen for all http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/pool packages. |
| 01:07.48 | TimRiker | I can wget them on another host, then scp, then install. but the package manager and apt-get both fail to install them. |
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| 01:08.49 | TimRiker | ~logs |
| 01:08.50 | infobot | from memory, logs is apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 01:10.35 | TimRiker | so that's http://ibot.rikers.org/%23maemo/ if anyone cares. :) |
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| 02:09.37 | ||cw | anyone know who's selling new 770's in AU? |
| 02:10.06 | GeneralAntilles | buy.com ship internationally? |
| 02:12.39 | ||cw | asking for a friend, first he says they don't, then he says shipping would cost 70AUD so i don't know |
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| 02:15.55 | GeneralAntilles | Ouch |
| 02:16.01 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe ebay.au? |
| 02:16.17 | GeneralAntilles | Really, though, he should just get an N800. |
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| 02:24.22 | pupnik_ | no sales in AU sadly |
| 02:27.25 | rwhitby | I had to go to London to get mine. |
| 02:27.33 | rwhitby | Couldn't even get it in HK airport. |
| 02:27.45 | rwhitby | ||cw: (I'm in Adelaide) |
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| 04:48.25 | *** topic/#maemo is maemo is the application development platform for the Nokia Internet Tablets | Good questions deserve better answers | http://maemo.org | irc logs at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/os2007on770/ | http://www.flickr.com/groups/maemo/ |
| 04:49.19 | thoughtfix | Exciting. My liveblogging of the new N800 firmware was front-paged on digg (my first time) and I got 10x my usual traffic that day and double my usual traffic every day since. Apparently Skype is a very big deal. |
| 04:50.10 | thoughtfix | Oh yeah... I moved to a new office to train some people in a new call center today and everyone said "What's that?" |
| 04:50.15 | thoughtfix | And started drooling as I explained it |
| 04:50.24 | `0660 | :P |
| 04:50.39 | `0660 | did you train them to sell n800? :) |
| 04:50.41 | thoughtfix | I need to print new business cards |
| 04:50.49 | teer2 | Awww crap... Flash Player works on the N800 ? Flash Player doesn't even work on my Linux computer! Son of a gun. What kind of chip does the N800 have? |
| 04:50.57 | thoughtfix | but am 3/4 of the way to changing from ThoughtFix to ThoughtFix, LLC |
| 04:51.11 | thoughtfix | Hahahaha |
| 04:51.15 | thoughtfix | I wish I got money from Nokia |
| 04:51.22 | thoughtfix | but they're nice to me and accessable |
| 04:51.27 | thoughtfix | and that's all I need as a journalist |
| 04:51.41 | teer2 | should have been selling ads, dude. |
| 04:51.46 | `0660 | you would probably lose your credibility if you worked for them :) |
| 04:51.57 | thoughtfix | I have AdSense ads but they suck. I'd prefer a real sponsor |
| 04:52.19 | EnigmaCurry | When I saw your youtube videos at first I thought you worked for Nokia.. or maybe CNet or somerewhere like that |
| 04:52.25 | teer2 | Gotta sell yourself - I'm trying to do that with my site before it pops |
| 04:52.28 | thoughtfix | `0660: I may lose credibility in pimping Nokia products, but most of my blog is on what you can DO with it... that won't change. |
| 04:52.45 | `0660 | you're right on that |
| 04:52.56 | thoughtfix | High praise, EnigmaCurry... Thank you. I'm a one-man shop |
| 04:53.09 | thoughtfix | I want to finish forming the blogs into an LLC so I can insure myself. |
| 04:53.18 | thoughtfix | As it stands, one lawsuit can wipe me out |
| 04:53.46 | `0660 | so you live in us? :) |
| 04:53.54 | cesman | lol |
| 04:54.29 | thoughtfix | Phoenix, AZ USA |
| 04:54.39 | cesman | thoughtfix, I'm laughing w/ you |
| 04:54.44 | teer2 | Home of GoDaddy |
| 04:54.45 | cesman | as I'm in the same boat... |
| 04:55.04 | thoughtfix | I applied for GoDaddy a long time ago... |
| 04:55.16 | thoughtfix | I could apply again |
| 04:55.23 | thoughtfix | but I've been at this company 5.5 years with 5 job titles |
| 04:55.31 | thoughtfix | and their online application is HARD to fill out with that. |
| 04:55.48 | teer2 | they run a lot of linux |
| 04:56.19 | teer2 | 1+ million linux systems, if you count virtual machines |
| 04:57.27 | thoughtfix | Yep |
| 04:57.30 | teer2 | huh - you can turn the n800 into a gps machine? |
| 04:57.49 | thoughtfix | Yep |
| 04:58.06 | thoughtfix | Two ways. Open-source Maemo Mapper or commercial Nokia N800 NAVKIT |
| 04:58.13 | teer2 | ... well, I figured you would agree, I'm reading your forum post. ;) |
| 04:58.39 | thoughtfix | Maemo Mapper works with your own Bluetooth GPS and the NAVKIT comes with a GPS, car charger, 2GB memory card, car mount, and software |
| 04:58.41 | teer2 | You are like a one man authority on N800s - that's cool |
| 04:59.03 | teer2 | Especially when nokia is so known for secrecy of product. |
| 04:59.51 | teer2 | Can I set myself up with GPS on this n800 for cheap? |
| 05:00.00 | thoughtfix | Haha. Yeah... My pre-holiday speculation at a CES launch of the 880 (what became the N800) didn't make NOK happy because it cut into holiday sales |
| 05:00.13 | thoughtfix | But my coverage of the tablets since and after made up for it and they were REALLY nice at CES |
| 05:00.18 | teer2 | oh - now you tell me. ;) |
| 05:00.34 | teer2 | oh, what became the N800 (whew!) |
| 05:00.56 | thoughtfix | We were all calling it the 870/880 at that point |
| 05:01.01 | teer2 | Yeah, actually, I was looking at the N700 when I heard about the N800 coming out on the Internet. I am one of those who waited |
| 05:01.01 | thoughtfix | didn't know it made it into the Nseries |
| 05:01.21 | teer2 | *N770 |
| 05:01.49 | thoughtfix | Between us it kinda bugs me when people call it the N770. The Nseries is their flagship multimedia line. The 770 wasn't part of that. |
| 05:01.55 | thoughtfix | Now I sound like a Nok marketing rep |
| 05:01.55 | thoughtfix | heh |
| 05:02.31 | teer2 | You've lost me, but I promise not to mention anything other than my new love, the N800, ever again. |
| 05:02.37 | thoughtfix | Oh no |
| 05:02.50 | thoughtfix | I was just clarifying... it's the Nokia 770, not the Nokia N770 |
| 05:02.59 | teer2 | Oh - gotcha |
| 05:03.06 | thoughtfix | You can see how high-end the Nseries devices are at nseries.com |
| 05:03.12 | thoughtfix | they even have their own site |
| 05:03.13 | thoughtfix | heh |
| 05:03.22 | thoughtfix | I WANT the N93i, but I am stuck on Verizon |
| 05:03.29 | teer2 | I bought a nokia cell phone just because I wanted it to be compatible with the N800 bluetooth. :) |
| 05:03.56 | EnigmaCurry | I saw the POI screen on your navicore video thoughtfix, but didn't read anywhere about street addresses. Can you navigate to typed in street addresses? |
| 05:04.06 | teer2 | How many hits do you get on your site, thoughtfix? |
| 05:04.18 | thoughtfix | EnigmaCurry: That's a problem with the POI database. |
| 05:04.31 | thoughtfix | teer2: I don't discuss specific numbers yet... not until I recruit sponsors |
| 05:04.39 | thoughtfix | but it's a low traffic site since it's a niche platform |
| 05:04.40 | teer2 | Gotcha!! |
| 05:05.00 | thoughtfix | I've had over a half million pageviews, but that's over time. |
| 05:05.33 | teer2 | My site is for a niche area too, but, like you, I am hoping it pops and the site is the "established authority" |
| 05:06.04 | thoughtfix | I also own ultramobilegeek.com but that's not even as popular as tabletblog |
| 05:06.10 | teer2 | Too bad everyone is iPhone crazy right now, though. |
| 05:06.27 | thoughtfix | No |
| 05:06.28 | thoughtfix | not too bad. |
| 05:06.34 | teer2 | This thing is waaaaaaay better than the iPhone (he says, never having seen an iPhone) |
| 05:06.44 | thoughtfix | It's being panned as weak by the top journalistic dogs like Pogue and Mossberg |
| 05:07.09 | thoughtfix | It's a fascinating device. If it had Flash, A2DP, Bluetooth DUN, and 3G, I'd have spent $599 for it |
| 05:07.10 | teer2 | Iphone doesn't do WiFi, does it? |
| 05:07.22 | thoughtfix | but browsing the web without flash is asinine and the other ones are features I REALLY need |
| 05:08.13 | teer2 | Bluetooth + Tablet = Internet in my Pocket. I can't stand how cool that is. |
| 05:08.38 | `0660 | yeah |
| 05:08.38 | `0660 | i wish it was possible to block ads in n800 |
| 05:08.42 | teer2 | I can literally |
| 05:08.44 | `0660 | or maybe i should just turn off the flash in it |
| 05:08.52 | teer2 | put my cell phone and N800 in my pocket |
| 05:09.10 | EnigmaCurry | Arg. Why did I have to get a blackberry? |
| 05:09.19 | teer2 | `0660: http://everythingisnt.com/ |
| 05:09.22 | EnigmaCurry | it doesn't work with the N800 |
| 05:09.35 | pupnik_ | 0660 if you can find a convenient way to get lists of ad sites, you can add them to /etc/hosts as 127.0.0.1 |
| 05:09.53 | Luria | 0660:you can run privoxy on your n800 |
| 05:10.20 | teer2 | http://www.everythingisnt.com/hosts Copy this over your hosts file. Done and done. |
| 05:10.20 | Luria | but you have to set up the proxy for every connection profile individually |
| 05:10.36 | teer2 | I helped work on this project. It is awesome. |
| 05:11.00 | teer2 | (he says, with no modesty) |
| 05:11.03 | `0660 | thank you! |
| 05:11.08 | thoughtfix | brb |
| 05:11.21 | teer2 | `0660: you betcha |
| 05:12.47 | teer2 | Mike, who runs the website hosting the file, could use a couple bucks to help his expenses. If you're really thankful, you could make a donation. (Just a thought.) I've known the guy for a while (over the Internet) and he's kept this service up and running for years without fail. |
| 05:13.43 | teer2 | I just mention it because I think it is an important project. I was out of work for four months and just helped him update and update and update that list. |
| 05:14.16 | pupnik_ | nice. It might also be possible to parse the popular firefox adblocker lists with a script |
| 05:14.35 | teer2 | And, pupnik_ is right, you can use a proxy to get rid of the error messages |
| 05:14.55 | pupnik_ | can we disable opera's "could not connect to server: ad.doubleclick.net...." popups or are those js-generated... |
| 05:17.22 | teer2 | Which do you think is better and easier: Setting up an application to get into the N800 shell, or setting up a SSH server so I can access it remotely? |
| 05:17.46 | teer2 | (I don't even know how to see my host file yet!!) |
| 05:17.56 | pupnik_ | ssh is the first thing I install |
| 05:18.24 | thoughtfix | Hmm |
| 05:18.29 | thoughtfix | I just had the greatest thought |
| 05:18.32 | thoughtfix | Blendtec blenders |
| 05:18.45 | teer2 | Take that to IPO, man! |
| 05:18.50 | teer2 | ;-) |
| 05:19.01 | `0660 | ssh is really good |
| 05:19.04 | thoughtfix | John Wayne Gacy and Dahmer and others got caught when their stashed bodies got found ... but if they had a Blendtec... |
| 05:21.28 | thoughtfix | ... |
| 05:21.32 | thoughtfix | I should keep some thoughts to myself |
| 05:21.53 | teer2 | Sounds delicious. Okay - next question - where do I get instructions for installing SSH. :) |
| 05:22.15 | thoughtfix | It's in the repository |
| 05:22.17 | thoughtfix | called dropbear |
| 05:23.57 | teer2 | :( Application Manager -> Add -> Drop bear? I don't see that. |
| 05:24.34 | teer2 | Lots of crappy, proprietary skype packages, though |
| 05:24.46 | thoughtfix | dropbear sshd. |
| 05:24.47 | thoughtfix | hmm |
| 05:24.54 | thoughtfix | do you have the maemo-hackers repository? |
| 05:25.43 | teer2 | I think the repository list changed when I one-click installed Kilikali |
| 05:26.01 | teer2 | But otherwise, I haven't seen how to see the repository list |
| 05:28.05 | EnigmaCurry | Can the default PDF reader flip 90 degrees.. or am I going to have to use a different reader? |
| 05:28.14 | teer2 | Do I download dropbear from the Maemo site? |
| 05:30.27 | thoughtfix | Or I could make a Public Service Announcement: "Beware. If you visit someone's house and they have no fresh fruit nor Margarita mix but do have a Blendtec blender, they are a serial killer." |
| 05:30.40 | teer2 | Are the application manager's Catalog functions the same as Repositories ? |
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| 05:31.18 | teer2 | I have the Tuomas Kulve catalog present, at least. |
| 05:32.14 | teer2 | Oh, I see how to set up the hackers one now |
| 05:32.37 | cesman | teer2: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories |
| 05:34.52 | teer2 | cesman: thank you. |
| 05:35.02 | cesman | you're welcome |
| 05:35.28 | teer2 | Okay, added the hackers to my list. *fingers crossed that I don't end up downloading someone's rootkit* |
| 05:36.33 | teer2 | You Maemo fellows are good guys, right? |
| 05:36.46 | teer2 | Sure seems like you put together a good collection of tools |
| 05:36.54 | teer2 | I'll be happier when I can check out the source code |
| 05:37.32 | teer2 | Sorry if I sound unappreciative of all the work you must have done to port these apps! |
| 05:38.12 | `0660 | don't be sorry :) |
| 05:39.05 | `0660 | i think everyone will be happy if you download the code and start submitting patches :) |
| 05:39.28 | teer2 | SSH server got installed... and? I'm not seeing step 2... hmm... No new menu items.. |
| 05:39.37 | `0660 | it's started already |
| 05:39.46 | teer2 | Even if I could get to port 22, what's the user name? password? |
| 05:39.47 | `0660 | open a connection to the device as root |
| 05:39.58 | `0660 | the password is "rootme" (change it instantly) |
| 05:40.05 | teer2 | lol |
| 05:40.08 | teer2 | rofl |
| 05:40.13 | `0660 | why? :) |
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| 05:40.24 | teer2 | funny password |
| 05:42.00 | teer2 | that's awesome |
| 05:42.09 | `0660 | :) |
| 05:43.56 | teer2 | What is /media/mmc2 ? |
| 05:44.07 | teer2 | Maybe just a placeholder... hmm... |
| 05:44.08 | thoughtfix | They're both SD card slots |
| 05:44.24 | teer2 | Thought there was just one? |
| 05:44.33 | `0660 | there's two |
| 05:44.49 | thoughtfix | There are two SD card slots |
| 05:46.38 | teer2 | That's sick. I love it. |
| 05:46.39 | EnigmaCurry | Can you install an application to an SD card.. or only to the N800 itself? |
| 05:46.54 | thoughtfix | Currently only to the N800 itself |
| 05:46.55 | thoughtfix | but |
| 05:47.03 | thoughtfix | Some apps can store data on the SD cards |
| 05:47.08 | thoughtfix | Like the camera, GPS software, media softare |
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| 05:48.02 | EnigmaCurry | Anyone run out of space on the N800 for apps? ;) |
| 05:48.20 | teer2 | Okay, so I know now why Tiger Direct was encouraging my purchase of a 2 pack of SD cards. Glad I got both - for 4 GB total extra space. Amazing amount of space. |
| 05:50.01 | teer2 | lol - I am running vi on my phone. Long have I awaited this day. *lightning* |
| 05:50.25 | teer2 | <- easily pleased |
| 05:51.12 | teer2 | Pow. I broke your stuff. |
| 05:52.03 | teer2 | (top): 0x0004b448 *** |
| 05:52.03 | teer2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:52.03 | teer2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:52.03 | teer2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:54.26 | teer2 | Sorry about that!! I didn't realize how much was in my buffer. |
| 05:56.23 | teer2 | So my shell is spewing errors at an alarming rate, but the GUI is still holding up just fine. Unfortunately, I can't open a new session to SSH to kill processes. |
| 05:56.23 | EnigmaCurry | Have you guys seen readermini.com? Works like a charm on the 800 |
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| 05:57.34 | thoughtfix | My friend John coded it :D |
| 05:58.48 | EnigmaCurry | it's a godsend, I *almost* started to regret the 800 purchase when I saw how horrible google reader looked... but all is well now! |
| 05:58.49 | teer2 | So I think dropbear has a bit of a buffer overflow issue. I am going to reboot the unit, I guess. |
| 06:00.48 | teer2 | Really sorry about the flood. |
| 06:03.56 | pupnik_ | i didn't. thanks EnigmaCurry |
| 06:04.03 | pupnik_ | i love that nick btw |
| 06:04.55 | pupnik | using synergy to steer two PCs, a laptop and a nokia is so fun. :) |
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| 06:11.05 | teer2 | Hi - anyone not have me on auto-ignore? Where is the "Documents" directory in the shell? I saved a file in the GUI and I can't find it in the SSH shell. |
| 06:11.52 | teer2 | nm - I put it on the SD card |
| 06:15.08 | `0660 | MyDocs/.Documents? |
| 06:16.00 | teer2 | Oooh - sorry - didn't think it would be hidden |
| 06:17.30 | `0660 | yeah, don't know why they would hide it |
| 06:27.44 | EnigmaCurry | synergy2 works on the 800? This I've got to try! |
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| 06:31.13 | teer2 | So ... awesome ... zzzzzzz... (falls asleep snuggled up to his N800) zzzzzz..... |
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| 06:43.00 | pupnik | haha |
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| 06:45.59 | latzko | hi |
| 06:45.59 | _Monkey | que tal, latzko |
| 06:48.23 | latzko | In sbox x86 target, the virtual keyboard never comes up - none of the applications- it says GLIB WARNING ** default - Unable to get the window id. Have you ever met this? |
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| 06:49.15 | EnigmaCurry | pupnik: Does synergy work only with some applications? I've got it working but I don't see a mouse cursor on the 800 when I move my mouse onto it. |
| 06:49.27 | latzko | maybe install is incomplete but I dunno how and why.. |
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| 06:52.13 | EnigmaCurry | I can use my PC mouse on the N800 inside a pygame application that uses the mouse, just no where else :( |
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| 07:13.28 | polac_ | Hi to everyone! One question: |
| 07:13.35 | polac_ | Can I access my PC's usb ports while inside scratchbox |
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| 07:30.45 | jani | morning |
| 07:34.08 | pupnik | hi polac_ i don't know |
| 07:34.39 | pupnik | polac_: if you need to transfer data, you can certainly do it outside of scratchbox and copy into a SB directory |
| 07:34.43 | pupnik | hi |
| 07:34.43 | _Monkey | salut, pupnik |
| 07:35.45 | pupnik | heya. If anyone here is a webdesigner please be careful not to make the site use CPU heavily |
| 07:39.00 | polac_ | pupnik: I would like to debug my program that uses usb first inside the scratchbox |
| 07:39.56 | melmoth | polac i think it would be useless: you are using your host kernel in scratchbox |
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| 07:40.18 | melmoth | so any usb device thingy you may play with wont be necessarily the same on the device itself |
| 07:40.46 | polac_ | melmoth hmmm... good point. |
| 07:41.27 | pupnik | polac_: i also see no entries under /proc/bus/usb in scratchbox |
| 07:42.18 | polac_ | So I probably need to get 770 to test my app |
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| 07:46.52 | stddoubt | anyone knows if it is possible to install LAMP(Apache; MySQL;PHP) platform on nokia n800? |
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| 07:47.54 | inz | stddoubt, it should be, LNSP (Linux; Nginx; SQLite; PHP) is trivial |
| 07:49.08 | inz | std, I dunno if apache is the best choice with such limited memory though |
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| 08:02.33 | theril | polac_: If the usb is handled via ioctl or device node via /dev it should be usable in scratchbox |
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| 08:04.09 | theril | Also scratchbox could be hacked hack to access the /proc thru a symlink in /mnt |
| 08:04.17 | theril | s/mnt/tmp/ |
| 08:04.28 | stddoubt | :inz Mysql is not possible? |
| 08:04.57 | stddoubt | I need php and mysql |
| 08:05.54 | theril | I see no reason why mysql couldn't be run, but it's quite resource intensive |
| 08:07.08 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:08.40 | stddoubt | is there any guide on how to install that type of software? |
| 08:09.48 | AD-N770 | good morning |
| 08:10.04 | melmoth | stddoubt, it really does not sound like a good idea |
| 08:10.16 | melmoth | at least consider sqlite |
| 08:10.38 | theril | stddoubt: You'll probably have to compile it in scratchbox and create a deb package |
| 08:10.59 | melmoth | or better, think about your _real_ problem (ie what will the php application actually do? cant you do the same with something that would fit in a tablet ? ) |
| 08:11.17 | pupnik | right |
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| 08:12.00 | pupnik | tablet-as-webserver is, silly like a monty-python political candidate, imo :) |
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| 08:13.41 | jani | was about to say that try sqlite but it was mentioned .. |
| 08:17.18 | stddoubt | is it possible to run drupal in slqlite? |
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| 08:18.34 | jani | propably if it has good enough db abstraction .. |
| 08:20.07 | theril | I think it doesn't |
| 08:20.43 | theril | But my drupal code reading is from 04 or something |
| 08:20.51 | jani | some older versions might have some patches.. atleast thats what our friend google said =) |
| 08:21.25 | stddoubt | thns gonna checkit out |
| 08:21.28 | stddoubt | :) |
| 08:22.55 | theril | I think that mysql is better choice for drupal |
| 08:23.10 | theril | Even on tablet |
| 08:23.38 | stddoubt | I need the quickest solution I can find |
| 08:23.55 | stddoubt | and with the least trouble |
| 08:24.17 | theril | http://my.opera.com/monroe/blog/maemo-postgresql |
| 08:24.33 | polac_ | theril my app uses libusb. can it be hacked to use /tmp (where usb is mounted). probably too complicated. I just wait few days and test it in the actual device. |
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| 08:25.13 | sbaturzioAtWork | Aloha! |
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| 08:27.36 | stddoubt | tnhks |
| 08:28.00 | stddoubt | where can I find the php and apache package? |
| 08:28.03 | jani | polac_: if your app/lib is using hardcoded file to access it, you can allways symlink ? |
| 08:29.02 | jani | or ioctl which would be directly available. dunno how that would work via arm emulation thou. |
| 08:29.22 | jani | what sort of usb device it is ? |
| 08:29.58 | Tadafumi | Did anyone compile OpenVPN and create Maemosized package for N800 by yourself? I refered http://www.rahkonen.org/openvpn.html but my N800 says "Not Installable" :( |
| 08:30.00 | polac_ | my app uses lib (which i made) that uses libftdi that uses libusb |
| 08:30.59 | jani | that doesnt really mean anything to me. |
| 08:31.51 | jani | i think the main issue is, how does libusb access the hardware.. |
| 08:32.43 | theril | BTW, /sys/bus/usb is accessible |
| 08:34.51 | polac_ | lsusb could be nice |
| 08:37.08 | inz | std, there's no apache package, you need to build it yourself |
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| 08:37.54 | inz | std, same for MySQL |
| 08:38.20 | theril | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/thttpd/ |
| 08:39.41 | theril | http://maemo-hackers.org/php5-fastcgi.install |
| 08:40.27 | inz | theril, the php5-fastcgi is most likely easier with nginx |
| 08:40.43 | inz | (dunno if thttpd supports fastcgi at all) |
| 08:41.25 | stddoubt | thnks |
| 08:41.39 | theril | inz: Probably |
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| 09:56.41 | lardman | morning |
| 09:56.50 | lardman | (just) |
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| 10:13.21 | __Nikos__ | Is there a debian package for sdl-net in order to install it on a nokia n800 device? Should i build it myself? |
| 10:26.42 | lardman | __Nikos__: There are other sdl packages about. No reason to assume sdl-net isn't among them. And these are n800 specific packages, not debian ones afaicr |
| 10:27.04 | lardman | __Nikos__: Or have you found others and sdl-net wasn't among them? |
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| 10:33.45 | __Nikos__ | I just build an app using sdl-net and now want to install the package on the device |
| 10:33.52 | __Nikos__ | Can't find it |
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| 10:41.41 | X-Fade | If the next tablet has multi touch support, this xserver might be handy.. http://wearables.unisa.edu.au/mpx/?q=node/86 |
| 10:41.49 | lardman | __Nikos__: What machine? |
| 10:42.33 | __Nikos__ | lardman: nokia n800 |
| 10:43.00 | lardman | __Nikos__: I see sdl_net for my N800 |
| 10:43.48 | eugene | what theme is it? http://maemo.org/midcom-serveattachmentguid-db5416d00bd211dcabeeb929c46ee586e586/thumbnail_mirage.png |
| 10:43.59 | __Nikos__ | lardman: you mean you see the libraries in a directory? |
| 10:44.13 | lardman | __Nikos__: I see it available in the app installer |
| 10:44.40 | __Nikos__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:46.41 | X-Fade | eugene: Plankton with different icons? |
| 10:46.42 | lardman | __Nikos__: See here http://maemo.org/community/wiki/applicationrepositories/, add http://repository.maemo.org/ and http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ |
| 10:47.04 | __Nikos__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:47.16 | lardman | __Nikos__: I also have http://downloads.kernelconcepts.de/maemo3, but I don't think it's from there |
| 10:47.27 | lardman | __Nikos__: Yes, try adding them |
| 10:47.44 | eugene | X-Fade: plankton? not familiar with this |
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| 10:47.59 | X-Fade | eugene: Then you are really missing out :) |
| 10:48.16 | eugene | googling for it now |
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| 10:49.27 | X-Fade | eugene: http://tigert.1g.fi/blog-files/n800-theme/hildon-theme-cacher_0.2.0-1_armel.deb |
| 10:49.28 | eugene | X-Fade: where can i download it? garage says "This project has not released any files." |
| 10:49.30 | X-Fade | http://tigert.1g.fi/blog-files/n800-theme/experimental/hildon-theme-plankton_3.1.0-1_all.deb |
| 10:49.38 | X-Fade | Install in that order! |
| 10:49.43 | eugene | thanks! |
| 10:49.58 | cy- | plankton is a good theme eh? |
| 10:51.13 | eugene | i hope nothing goes wrong with my n800 if i forgot to stop charging it for 2 days |
| 10:51.24 | lardman | Are there any screenshots of plankton? |
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| 10:51.49 | melmoth | bahh, sometimes i dont charge mine for more than a week |
| 10:51.55 | pupnik | o m f g |
| 10:51.57 | X-Fade | lardman: About every program on downloads has screenshot with plankton :) |
| 10:51.58 | eugene | melmoth: i mean, i overcharged it for 2 days |
| 10:52.04 | cy- | omgz?!1 |
| 10:52.06 | melmoth | ohh.. i dont know, i never try :) |
| 10:52.13 | pupnik | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-365586126885215066&q=hacking+democracy Hacking Democracy - The blatant Diebold fraud |
| 10:52.21 | eugene | melmoth: hopefully it is able to stop charging once it reached it's max |
| 10:52.22 | pupnik | 1:21 |
| 10:52.31 | melmoth | eugene, well, you ll tell us :) |
| 10:52.33 | cy- | pupnik: heh yeah I saw that |
| 10:52.39 | pupnik | they stored the votes in plaintext on cf cards?! |
| 10:52.40 | eugene | melmoth: :/ |
| 10:52.55 | pupnik | you could pre-bias cards before the voting with negative numbers?! |
| 10:53.01 | X-Fade | lardman: http://downloads.maemo.org/midcom-serveattachmentguid-d74562b2b6f311dbab8c4ddca7cf31573157/fmradio |
| 10:53.01 | pupnik | that's criminal. |
| 10:53.30 | lardman | X-Fade: Okay, thanks |
| 10:54.01 | X-Fade | It is also the default community theme in Sardine.. |
| 10:54.02 | _Monkey | okay, X-Fade. |
| 10:54.38 | eugene | trying it now |
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| 10:55.58 | florian | hi all |
| 10:57.10 | cy- | So is the new firmware considered Chinook then? |
| 10:57.47 | X-Fade | cy-: Chinook will be the next mayor OS upgrade.. |
| 10:58.01 | cy- | k, so this is still bora even though it's 4.x |
| 10:58.21 | X-Fade | cy-: I think it will be more like 2008OS ? |
| 10:58.24 | cy- | 4.2007.whatev |
| 10:58.26 | cy- | k |
| 10:58.47 | cy- | I just flashed |
| 10:59.23 | eugene | any idea how i can remove the background pic? |
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| 10:59.54 | eugene | found it |
| 11:00.31 | eugene | whats the default wallpaper for plankton? |
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| 11:03.52 | __Nikos__ | lardman: for this repository http://maemo.org/community/wiki/applicationrepositories/ which components must i define? |
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| 11:06.38 | eugene | __Nikos__: that's an awesome link. |
| 11:07.22 | __Nikos__ | eugene: hope i ll find there sdl-net |
| 11:09.36 | suihkulokki | that's a horrible page |
| 11:11.00 | jumpula | suihkulokki: have you looked at the maemo.org recently? :) most of the pages are like that. |
| 11:11.02 | eugene | suihkulokki: hey |
| 11:11.13 | jumpula | now, i think, most of the links work :] |
| 11:11.31 | suihkulokki | people creating their own repositories for each and every app... |
| 11:11.45 | suihkulokki | ...that depend on packages on other repositories... |
| 11:11.56 | suihkulokki | that SO no howto be friendly to users |
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| 11:21.44 | __Nikos__ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:29.21 | eugene | if plankton has a default wallpaper, that would be great. now it looks weird :) |
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| 11:35.55 | Mikho | Does anybody have idea what "matchbox-wm: X error warning (0x380002a): BadWindow (opcode: 12)" means? |
| 11:36.13 | Mikho | or "qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - exiting" |
| 11:36.48 | Mikho | after the error X is left running but maemo crashes |
| 11:37.38 | eugene | it's ok. i got it from the svn. somehow it's missing from the deb. |
| 11:39.29 | inz | Mikho, the BadWindow sounds like matchox trying to do configure a window that has been deleted |
| 11:39.44 | inz | Mikho, in Xproto.h, there's #define X_ConfigureWindow 12 |
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| 11:41.17 | Mikho | the error came when I was running my app. First the leftmost toolbar disappeared, and when I closed my app, maemo didn't come back up |
| 11:42.20 | inz | Mikho, you most likely want to do scratchbox debugging on an i386 rootstrap |
| 11:42.34 | inz | Mikho, qemu isn't all perfect and can (will) cause unexpected SIGSEGVs |
| 11:42.51 | Mikho | i see |
| 11:43.04 | Mikho | I couldn't reproduce the error |
| 11:43.16 | Mikho | but this isn't the first time it came |
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| 11:46.49 | Mikho | in addition to qemu, eclipse, cdt, laika and glade aren't all perfect either. I've managed to crash them all |
| 11:47.43 | inz | wasn't probably even too hard? |
| 11:47.44 | pupnik | Mikho: i saw someone else with that qemu error |
| 11:48.33 | Mikho | but I'll switch to i386 for development |
| 11:48.47 | Mikho | one imperfect component less |
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| 11:54.52 | Mikho | ok now, laika refuses to change the target :& |
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| 12:01.23 | Mikho | wow, there are 53 eqmu processes still running on my pc |
| 12:01.29 | Mikho | *qemu |
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| 12:15.29 | alterego | Anyone got JavaME working on the N800? |
| 12:17.32 | Jaffa | aleksandyr has, there's a page on sun.com about it too |
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| 12:23.25 | alterego | groovy |
| 12:23.54 | N800 | goodluck |
| 12:24.00 | alterego | :) |
| 12:31.16 | alterego | Great, there's a postal strike tomorrow, so the chances of me recieving my N800 are not very likely ^_^ |
| 12:32.47 | GeneralAntilles | "We need more money because we're trying really hard to work as little as possible." |
| 12:32.51 | GeneralAntilles | Government workers have it good. |
| 12:32.54 | GeneralAntilles | They should just STFU. |
| 12:33.31 | alterego | I wouldn't mind, but when we give them more money, they just put their prices up :D |
| 12:34.03 | alterego | It seems to happen every year. One day a year Royal Mail goes on strike. It's so tedious. |
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| 12:34.38 | alterego | I was looking forward to a weekend of hacking the N800 and now what? I guess I'll just have to do some actual work and read about hacking the N800 ^_^ |
| 12:37.21 | melmoth | alterego, you dont need the device to start using scratchbox |
| 12:37.32 | alterego | Indeed. |
| 12:37.39 | alterego | I have set up scratchbox. |
| 12:37.49 | alterego | But the things I want to hack I do need the device :D |
| 12:38.26 | alterego | I have a GPS module that needs about 100mA @ 3v I want to use with USB OTG Hostmode. |
| 12:38.49 | alterego | I'd like to work on TV out. |
| 12:39.04 | alterego | And possibly look into the PowerVR chip. |
| 12:39.23 | melmoth | hmm, yeah, for this kind of stuff , you may need the device :) |
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| 12:40.12 | alterego | Well, I'm happy reading up on the developer mailing lists for now :) |
| 12:40.28 | alterego | I do have a lot of catching up to do. I've not done anything maemo in about 2 years :D |
| 12:40.40 | GeneralAntilles | If PowerVR gets drivers I'll kill myself. |
| 12:40.42 | zuh | alterego: How do you plan to acheive those? Hardware hacking?-) |
| 12:41.15 | alterego | The PowerVR chip is about getting drivers set up. |
| 12:41.37 | suihkulokki | + |
| 12:41.37 | alterego | You can obtain the drivers from the manufacturer. Only problem is. I don't think they're armel. |
| 12:42.19 | alterego | The TV Out well, I have a strong suspicion that nokia has actually already wired it up to the same jack as the headphone socket. Ala N95 et al. |
| 12:42.41 | alterego | Looking at the OMAP2420 kernel tree, getting TV Out to work is a no brainer :) |
| 12:42.58 | suihkulokki | ...after soldering |
| 12:43.05 | Enok | After installing the new IT OS 2007 version ssh:ing to N800 has become very laggy, even when pinging it at the same time which worked before |
| 12:43.32 | alterego | Wiring it up is impossible. I'm betting on it already being wired up to their "Nokia AV 3.5mm connection". |
| 12:44.11 | X-Fade | alterego: If it works like the N95, that would be really great ;) My N95 on my TV is really nice. |
| 12:44.29 | GeneralAntilles | alterego: the drivers are binary and for the 2.4 kernel. |
| 12:44.30 | alterego | I'm guessing they're doing a similar thing they did by hiding the existance of the FM reciever I think :) |
| 12:45.11 | N800 | alterego, when you get your n800...all these projects you will be working on? |
| 12:45.15 | X-Fade | Well, there was this setup on the N800 launch. Where they showed Navicore on a large tv on the N800.. |
| 12:45.22 | suihkulokki | using vnc |
| 12:45.33 | X-Fade | suihkulokki: Yeah, probably :) |
| 12:45.35 | alterego | GeneralAntilles, I'm pretty certain I saw a 2.6 driver, but yes. I could be wrong. |
| 12:45.40 | X-Fade | suihkulokki: Or exported X display.. |
| 12:45.53 | alterego | Or Svideo ^_^ |
| 12:46.29 | alterego | Did anyone see the setup? |
| 12:46.43 | zuh | alterego: So you are going to put out the cash for the drivers or are you planning to write some?-) |
| 12:47.13 | alterego | zuh, I'm pretty sure they're working on the drivers themselves. |
| 12:47.14 | unique311 | why not bombard the powervr site with emails...asking them for armel drivers |
| 12:47.26 | alterego | 2.6 armel drivers ;) |
| 12:48.02 | X-Fade | There are 2.6 drivers. The Pepperpad has them.. |
| 12:48.07 | alterego | I signed up for a developer account on the website last night and there was a tick box saying "Would you like to be notified about N800 drivers?" |
| 12:48.18 | alterego | The pepperpad uses a different chip X-Fade |
| 12:48.20 | eugene | weird. make zImage doesn't build vmlinux with debuginfo even though CONFIG_DEBUG_KERNEL=y |
| 12:48.41 | gla55_ | wasn't pepperpad geode? |
| 12:48.44 | alterego | The pepperpad has an intel chip if memory serves me correctly. |
| 12:48.51 | gla55_ | i'm not sure either |
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| 12:49.18 | alterego | Sure, still a MBX format but I don't really know much about the interface of these chips. |
| 12:49.36 | alterego | I'd just love to see OpenGL ES working on the N800 ^_^ |
| 12:50.28 | alterego | I still think that nokia are working on the drivers. |
| 12:50.43 | alterego | They already have the license for the N95, why can't they use it in the N800? |
| 12:50.55 | zuh | I bet it's per device |
| 12:51.05 | alterego | Feckin' con artists ;) |
| 12:51.11 | zuh | Yeah |
| 12:51.16 | alterego | Not per chip? |
| 12:51.19 | X-Fade | alterego: I just measured the composite output on the N95 cable in my N800. Gives 6.69MOhm. The audio plugs give about 180Ohm.. |
| 12:51.20 | unique311 | microsoft tactics |
| 12:51.21 | alterego | The chips are identical. |
| 12:51.42 | alterego | It wouldn't suprise me if Nokia decided on the OMAP2420 for the N800 _because_ of the N95 .. |
| 12:52.24 | alterego | X-Fade, doesn't mean much. The kernel has to enable the TV out. |
| 12:53.07 | X-Fade | alterego: For your information, I tried the N95 remote too. Doesn't seem to do much there either.. |
| 12:53.19 | alterego | N95 remote? |
| 12:53.35 | alterego | (I don't have an N95) ;) |
| 12:53.38 | X-Fade | Yeah, the headset control thingie.. |
| 12:53.48 | alterego | Right. Well, why would it? :P |
| 12:54.01 | alterego | Completely different OS you realise ;) |
| 12:54.02 | X-Fade | Also 4 part 3.5 plug.. |
| 12:54.24 | X-Fade | Yeah, so no hidden already implemented feature ;) |
| 12:54.46 | alterego | That observation is somewhat meaningless. |
| 12:55.14 | alterego | Check out the N800 internals. There's some detailed images of the PCB look at the headphone jack and tell me it doesn't look weird to you :P |
| 12:55.46 | unique311 | it does... |
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| 12:56.26 | alterego | But like I said, obviously I don't know. This is all guess work. |
| 12:56.38 | alterego | But I would like to investigate it when I get my N800 .. Eventuall .. |
| 12:57.02 | X-Fade | Just rip it apart and start measuring ;) |
| 12:57.17 | alterego | I'm not going to take it apart :P |
| 12:57.26 | alterego | There's no need for what I want to do :) |
| 12:58.19 | alterego | I've already seen in great detail what it looks like on the inside. Probably better with my shite eye sight ^_^ |
| 13:00.03 | X-Fade | Hehe. |
| 13:05.35 | eugene | does anyone have any idea why make zImage does not build a kernel with debuginfo even if CONFIG_DEBUG_KERNEL is y? |
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| 13:27.07 | cy- | hmmmm |
| 13:27.50 | pyhimys | Does anyone else have audio/video sync issues with uktube? |
| 13:28.18 | pyhimys | Should I just try to download the video again? |
| 13:28.45 | pyhimys | It plays the video at double(?) speed |
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| 13:36.56 | tigert | wow, that sounds like its really fast!! :-) |
| 13:37.33 | pupnik | eugene: i dunno - does debug info go through syslog? |
| 13:38.05 | eugene | pupnik: debuginfo == meaning the dwarf info in vmlinux |
| 13:38.08 | X-Fade | tigert: Did you see that Plankton is broken on Sardine? |
| 13:38.16 | pupnik | ok i am clueless sorry |
| 13:38.24 | pupnik | that's a funny sentence, X-Fade |
| 13:38.27 | eugene | it does seem like it is not compiling the kernel with -g |
| 13:39.18 | tigert | X-Fade: how is it broken? |
| 13:39.23 | X-Fade | tigert: The toolbar buttons seem missing in the template.. |
| 13:39.25 | X-Fade | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1616 |
| 13:39.30 | tigert | X-Fade: completely? |
| 13:39.33 | X-Fade | Yep.. |
| 13:39.48 | X-Fade | So that gives a rather big mess. |
| 13:40.00 | tigert | ah ok |
| 13:40.06 | tigert | probably a snafu with layout.txt |
| 13:40.12 | tigert | we'll fix it |
| 13:40.35 | tigert | right now I am very busy and then theres guadec |
| 13:40.36 | X-Fade | Yeah, they are mentioned in the gtkrc. But they are not available.. |
| 13:40.39 | tigert | but I'll see |
| 13:40.42 | tigert | right |
| 13:40.54 | tigert | probably accidentally deleted from layout, or there is a typo |
| 13:40.56 | eugene | tigert: is this the wallpaper for plankton? https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/hildon-theme-plankton/wallpaper/wallpaper.png |
| 13:41.24 | tigert | eugene: its current test wallpaper |
| 13:41.26 | tigert | its a bit weird :) |
| 13:41.39 | eugene | yeah :/ |
| 13:41.40 | X-Fade | I tried out sardine again, but it was horribly broken again. Random noice on the screen where there are no images.. |
| 13:41.45 | eugene | are there less weird test wallpaper? :) |
| 13:42.29 | tigert | eugene: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tigert/514556524/in/set-72157600335181665/ < this is the original btw |
| 13:42.33 | X-Fade | eugene: I actually like that one :) |
| 13:42.55 | tigert | I'll try to do ones, now the wallpaper is 800x480 instead of a strange mid-size |
| 13:42.58 | eugene | tigert: colour don't seem to match :) but the theme is nice |
| 13:43.01 | eugene | X-Fade: heh |
| 13:43.11 | tigert | yeah it was just quickly recolored for testing the transparency stuff |
| 13:44.01 | tigert | http://www.flickr.com/photos/tigert/542872539/in/set-72157600335181665/ < try cropping from this? |
| 13:44.07 | tigert | might look nice as wallpaper |
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| 13:45.40 | lardman|afk | oops |
| 13:46.14 | lardman | alterego: As you say there are 2.6 drivers, just not for download |
| 13:47.11 | lardman | alterego: I imagine the problems with implementation are related to the fact that they need to write a Linux kernel module to run the hardware, plus a Linux implementation of OpenGL |
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| 13:47.47 | eugene | finally. i suspect that somewhere is broken |
| 13:48.02 | OgMaciel | morning all! |
| 13:48.42 | Mikho | ok, I have changed the scratchbox target to i386, but now I can't run my app because it complains about SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD being not set. But why should I need cputransparency if I'm compiling for i386? |
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| 13:49.14 | X-Fade | lardman: MontaVista Linux v2.6 OpenGL ES v1.1 and OpenVG 1.0 SDK based on OMAPSW vL8.11 BSP |
| 13:49.18 | X-Fade | http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbugencontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12719&contentId=27458 |
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| 13:50.27 | lardman | X-Fade: Ah, now that's interesting |
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| 13:53.31 | X-Fade | lardman: It is :) |
| 13:54.21 | lardman | X-Fade: I assume there are binaries for opengl in there + a kernel module |
| 13:55.51 | X-Fade | lardman: I used to have an account there, but it doesn't seem to work anymore. Or I forgot my password ;) |
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| 13:58.03 | lardman | X-Fade: Ah, mine still works, I'll download and see what it's got inside (but opengl binaries + kernel module was what the 2.4 version had) |
| 13:59.26 | X-Fade | lardman: Yeah, I downloaded the old one once.. |
| 14:00.03 | lardman | X-Fade: Still doesn't help much as the kernel module is the wrong version and the hardware may or may not be hooked up in the same way |
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| 14:03.45 | robtaylor | luck^: I'm loveing my new python an pycentral pacakges.. almost all gusty packages build withou changes now. just occasionally forcing python2.5 |
| 14:03.49 | robtaylor | :) |
| 14:04.22 | luck^ | robtaylor, great! |
| 14:05.12 | robtaylor | luck^: I hope you and aCiDBaSe do get the chance to look at stripping it down a bit :) |
| 14:05.13 | luck^ | robtaylor, what we need to do in order to put python2.5 inside ubuntu's repository? |
| 14:05.25 | luck^ | robtaylor, for sure |
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| 14:05.34 | ttuttle | Can the N770 charge over USB? |
| 14:05.42 | robtaylor | luck^: I don't understand the question, can you reprase? |
| 14:06.34 | luck^ | robtaylor, sorry.. its about your idea to better organize python for maemo.. we talked on monday, i think |
| 14:06.46 | luck^ | the idea was to use python2.5 from ubuntu |
| 14:07.03 | robtaylor | luck^:ah yeah, well if you pull the packages from my repo, its all done for you |
| 14:07.15 | robtaylor | luck^: all the source is up there and i've doent detailed changlog entries |
| 14:07.24 | aCiDBaSe | robtaylor: today we've some differences in our python package (for speed up startup and reduce the package footprint) |
| 14:07.28 | robtaylor | s/doent/done/ |
| 14:07.38 | lardman | X-Fade: Hmm, zip file containing an exe which extracts another zip file! |
| 14:07.58 | robtaylor | aCiDBaSe: yeah, i know. this is basically just the ubuntu/debian python2.5 packageging ported to maemo |
| 14:08.25 | aCiDBaSe | robtaylor: for example... we put all our standard python modules inside a .zip and apply some patches to modify the python import machinery... |
| 14:09.02 | robtaylor | aCiDBaSe: it'd need a bit of work to cut footprint a bit. You're peobably the most experienced person at that :) |
| 14:10.25 | robtaylor | aCiDBaSe: the important thing is thata) its only a small diff fromthe standard packaging and b) produces -minimal and -dbg, so its simple to build otehr packages from ubuntu/debian without changes |
| 14:10.39 | ttuttle | Can the N770 charge over USB? |
| 14:10.43 | tigert | no |
| 14:10.54 | robtaylor | aCiDBaSe: python-central, docutils and defaults are also available in my repo |
| 14:10.56 | lardman | yow, pvr.ko is 1002kb in size |
| 14:11.15 | aCiDBaSe | the other thing is: we've changed the "semantic" of -dev packages... in our python for maemo the -dev packages contain the "standard -dev" + development modules like pdb, hotshot, distutils, etc. |
| 14:11.16 | ttuttle | oh. that sux. |
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| 14:11.46 | robtaylor | aCiDBaSe: you'll have to let that go, or use Replaces: Provides: appropriately |
| 14:12.09 | robtaylor | aCiDBaSe: but using provides: doesnt help if packages have versioned build depends |
| 14:12.50 | robtaylor | aCiDBaSe: one possible (nice) solution is to make the zip at postinst time, then you can zip everything up |
| 14:13.19 | dev | aCiDBaSe: at least distutils shouldn't be in -dev as it is used by setuptools |
| 14:13.47 | robtaylor | dev: yeah, and thats soemthing needed at install time |
| 14:14.50 | aCiDBaSe | dev: setuptool is not the right way to provide packages to maemo... if you need to provide packages for maemo you need to create a .deb package... |
| 14:14.51 | dev | aCiDBaSe: and pkg_resources.py even at runtime |
| 14:15.47 | aCiDBaSe | yes... I really like the idea of python-central but i think that there is a lot of work to make this works... and our priority now is: provide a full support to maemo platform (aka python bindings) |
| 14:15.48 | luck^ | robtaylor, are you using git? |
| 14:16.01 | dev | aCiDBaSe: sure, but 'm not talking about installing |
| 14:16.09 | robtaylor | aCiDBaSe: well, you can ignore my work, but i already have it working for me :P |
| 14:16.22 | robtaylor | luck^: nope, not yet |
| 14:16.56 | aCiDBaSe | no... we'll not ignore your work... we will use it in the (near) future... |
| 14:17.05 | robtaylor | aCiDBaSe: do you zip the precompiled py, or just the source? |
| 14:17.13 | aCiDBaSe | .pyo |
| 14:17.17 | aCiDBaSe | (-OO) |
| 14:17.26 | aCiDBaSe | but we zip with -0 flag |
| 14:17.45 | robtaylor | hmm, pycentral does that |
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| 14:18.13 | aCiDBaSe | good... i didn't know that... |
| 14:19.04 | robtaylor | dh_pycentral is a debhelper program that will scan your package, detect public Python modules and move them in /usr/share/pycentral so that python-central can byte-compile those for all supported Python ver‐ sions. |
| 14:19.29 | aCiDBaSe | and put them in a .zip file? |
| 14:20.32 | robtaylor | aCiDBaSe: no, but i think we could have a modified pycentral for maemo that does that |
| 14:21.11 | ttuttle | What does it mean if the sound icon on my N770 has a red slash through it and is grayed out? |
| 14:21.21 | ttuttle | Oh, it's mute. |
| 14:21.21 | ttuttle | I get it. |
| 14:21.24 | ttuttle | I thought mute just set it to zero. |
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| 14:23.16 | aCiDBaSe | to be honest: we've a roadmap for python bindings and we need to talk about this plan with our coordinator... |
| 14:23.47 | luck^ | but I think its totally possible to have this taks included |
| 14:24.04 | vmarks | hello there: foolish question time: I am trying to find an xmms2 client for 770. I have looked and must not have looked in the right places, because I can't find one yet. I'm willing to take the esperanza 0.3 sources and try and compile them, but I'm unfamiliar with maemo, - I'm mostly familiar with ubuntu on desktop. |
| 14:24.26 | vmarks | so if someone can point me in the right direction, much appreciated! |
| 14:24.33 | luck^ | I just need to learn more about pycentral, etc |
| 14:24.37 | aCiDBaSe | does the current maemo's debian-helper has the dh_pycentral? |
| 14:25.01 | aCiDBaSe | argh... sorry about my english :/ |
| 14:25.59 | tigert | I HAS YOR PYCENTRALZ!!11 :) |
| 14:26.03 | robtaylor | aCiDBaSe: i think that's provided by python-central |
| 14:26.08 | ttuttle | aCiDBaSe: It's okay, you're better than most IRC users who speak English natively ;-) |
| 14:26.19 | tigert | aCiDBaSe: the english is fine, no worrink! |
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| 14:26.41 | tigert | man |
| 14:26.45 | robtaylor | tigert: I OWNZ ALL YOUR CODEZ! |
| 14:26.54 | aCiDBaSe | robtaylor: ok. we'll take a look at python-central... |
| 14:26.57 | luck^ | :) |
| 14:27.01 | ttuttle | I'M IN UR N800's BLUEJACKIN UR PHONEZ!!!!111! |
| 14:27.03 | ttuttle | lol |
| 14:27.05 | tigert | theme tools makes "interesting" themes when you accidentally export just a single rectangle from inkscape as the template :) |
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| 14:27.14 | ttuttle | tigert: Minimalist? |
| 14:27.18 | aCiDBaSe | ...because "all our base is belog to us" |
| 14:27.20 | tigert | ttuttle: cubist, rather :) |
| 14:27.29 | tigert | very transparent :) |
| 14:31.13 | luck^ | robtaylor, your repository url is the same? |
| 14:31.29 | robtaylor | luck^: yeah |
| 14:31.34 | ttuttle | How's the Hacker upgrade going? |
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| 14:34.14 | bstock | man the intel q6600 processor on newegg jumped from $480 yesterday to $660 today for some reason |
| 14:35.20 | ttuttle | bstock: If that's the 2.4 GHz one, I heard it's dropping to somewhere in the $250-350 range soon. |
| 14:35.29 | ttuttle | bstock: My next desktop is *totally* gonna be quad-core. |
| 14:35.38 | ttuttle | bstock: Or maybe octo-core. |
| 14:35.41 | bstock | yeah it's supposed to drop to $266 on the 22nd or 23rd or somewhere around there |
| 14:36.16 | ttuttle | bstock: It's great, as a Linux user, to watch the Windows users get diminishing returns with more cores, as I get almost perfect speedups in compile times. |
| 14:36.39 | bstock | but yeah, i'm totally upgrading my dual core to quad core when that chip drops |
| 14:37.00 | bstock | yes i agree. i have the dual core 2.93 ghz chip here at work |
| 14:37.16 | bstock | running ubuntu |
| 14:37.52 | bstock | and you can definitely tell a difference with more cores. i can't stand it when i have to use single core machines any more |
| 14:38.44 | ttuttle | bstock: I've got a dual 2.0 GHz in my laptop, with 2 GB of RAM. Too many people don't realize that RAM is gold. |
| 14:39.09 | ttuttle | bstock: You can have 200 processors, but they'll all sit idle waiting for the disk if you don't have copious RAM cache for the disk. |
| 14:39.39 | bstock | my laptops are single core :( that's probably why i barely use them anymore |
| 14:40.49 | ttuttle | bstock: Yeah, I got a nice fast one =D It runs a little hot (around 70C, or 75C if it's been running for really long) but used to run even hotter (98C) until Dell replaced the fan. Problem is they put the fans on the bottom, so they suck up dust and become useless. |
| 14:41.16 | ttuttle | Does the maemo python runtime come with python imaging library? |
| 14:41.54 | bstock | yeah i have a dell laptop inspiron 8600 and an acer tablet, both are ~2ghz but single core. i'd really like to get a macbook one of these days |
| 14:42.34 | ttuttle | bstock: Get a ThinkPad. They're better. |
| 14:42.56 | bstock | but last time i bought an iMac, about a month later they upgraded them from the core duo's to the core 2 duo's |
| 14:43.19 | ttuttle | bstock: You should've seen that coming ;-) Now that they're using Intel chips, you know when the chips come out. |
| 14:43.34 | bstock | yeha |
| 14:46.55 | robtaylor | luck^: ah, damnit, cdbs python support gets confused that execing python doesnt give python$(pyversions -vd) |
| 14:46.59 | dneary | qgil? |
| 14:47.12 | dneary | Hmmm |
| 14:47.15 | dneary | No sign of Quim? |
| 14:47.43 | dneary | Can someone in the Helsinki office ask him if he has a minute to come on IRC, please? I'd like to have a word with him |
| 14:48.04 | ttuttle | dneary: He's probably afraid of us ;-) |
| 14:48.34 | dneary | ttuttle: Why, do you have horns & spit fire? |
| 14:48.54 | bstock | anyone know if there are any dual-socket lga775 motherboards? |
| 14:49.04 | ttuttle | dneary: I might ;-) |
| 14:50.05 | robtaylor | luck^: might need to get nchip to put a patch in devkit-debian :( |
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| 14:58.51 | ttuttle | I know it's fully insane, but is there any place I can get a working toolchain that runs *on the N770*? |
| 14:59.24 | dragorn | well, you could compile it with scratchbox |
| 14:59.35 | dragorn | take the deb src packages for the toolchains |
| 14:59.45 | dragorn | you won't much like the results tho :P |
| 15:00.15 | ttuttle | dragorn: I know. |
| 15:03.10 | Jaffa | ttuttle: downgrade to IT OS 2005 and use Debian/ARM ? |
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| 15:03.54 | suihkulokki | dragorn: It should work |
| 15:05.00 | ttuttle | dragorn: Understanding that I know almost nothing about Scratchbox, could I do this easily? |
| 15:05.33 | dragorn | ttuttle: probably. sb is the compile environment for the 770 (and has all the toolchain compiled as arm already, running inside qemu) |
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| 15:07.25 | ttuttle | dragorn: So I just need to install sb, and then what? |
| 15:07.35 | dragorn | figure out the deb build process :P |
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| 15:08.59 | dragorn | in theory it might just be a source package rebuild. The command for which I have no clue at the moment. |
| 15:09.29 | ttuttle | dragorn: Can I do dpkg-repack? |
| 15:09.33 | mrben | would this be a good place to ask about backup/restoring applications for an n800 firmware upgrade? |
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| 15:09.44 | dragorn | ttuttle: No idea, I don't use debian |
| 15:10.04 | mrben | namely, would dpkg --get-selections do the job, along with a sources.list? |
| 15:10.32 | hrhr | is the n800 can manage lvm volumes? |
| 15:10.52 | hrhr | sorry........can n800 manage lvm volumes? |
| 15:12.51 | gla55_ | i'd just say no with default kernel as a hunch.. why would you? |
| 15:13.39 | eugene | k-s[WORK]: i have a good news. |
| 15:13.45 | eugene | k-s[WORK]: i got systemtap working on n800 :) |
| 15:13.47 | eugene | /media/mmc1 # staprun stap_ef7c58450bc9dec9284bd24ba394b5c5_7253.ko |
| 15:13.47 | eugene | sys_open NULL, O_RDONLY|O_CREAT|O_EXCL|O_LARGEFILE|O_NONBLOCK|O_SYNC, 023224 |
| 15:13.47 | eugene | sys_open NULL, O_RDONLY|O_CREAT|O_EXCL|O_LARGEFILE|O_NONBLOCK|O_SYNC, 0600002 |
| 15:13.47 | eugene | sys_open NULL, O_RDONLY|O_CREAT|O_EXCL|O_LARGEFILE|O_NONBLOCK|O_SYNC, 01101 |
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| 15:13.49 | eugene | sys_open NULL, O_RDONLY|O_CREAT|O_EXCL|O_LARGEFILE|O_NONBLOCK|O_SYNC, 01101 |
| 15:13.54 | k-s[WORK] | eugene: great :-) |
| 15:13.59 | eugene | now, i'm going to update my livejournal with more info. |
| 15:14.01 | eugene | :) |
| 15:14.08 | eugene | profiling n800 would be more interesting now. |
| 15:14.24 | k-s[WORK] | eugene: anything in mind? |
| 15:14.30 | k-s[WORK] | app or what? |
| 15:14.48 | eugene | k-s[WORK]: i have some ideas. things that have been done bfore, i.e. olpc. |
| 15:15.00 | eugene | k-s[WORK]: say, first, finding out all the bad apps that do polling, etc |
| 15:15.07 | ttuttle | dragorn: So what do I need to set up to cross-compile? What's with the i386 sdk stuff? |
| 15:15.22 | eugene | k-s[WORK]: then find out how we can speed up boot-time, or at least, find out how the bootup is like :) |
| 15:15.33 | eugene | there's a website that plots pretty boot graphs |
| 15:15.41 | k-s[WORK] | eugene: cool |
| 15:15.50 | eugene | k-s[WORK]: not sure, but what's your ideas :) anything in mind? |
| 15:15.54 | k-s[WORK] | eugene: have you used qemu or qemu-user (scratchbox)? |
| 15:16.03 | eugene | k-s[WORK]: next thing is probably see if i can get uprobes working. |
| 15:16.07 | eugene | k-s[WORK]: not yet. |
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| 15:16.27 | ttuttle | WTF? Do I install scratchbox then the Maemo SDK, or does the Maemo SDK install scratchbox? |
| 15:16.34 | k-s[WORK] | eugene: how did you managed to compile your systemtap stuff? |
| 15:16.47 | eugene | k-s[WORK]: i'm writing a how-to now :) |
| 15:16.52 | k-s[WORK] | ttuttle: depends on which script you got |
| 15:16.59 | k-s[WORK] | ttuttle: both exists |
| 15:17.10 | eugene | k-s[WORK]: i'm so happy :) |
| 15:17.21 | ttuttle | k-s[WORK]: /me whines. Can you just point me to which one I need to cross-compile things? |
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| 15:19.32 | ttuttle | What parts of Scratchbox do I need? |
| 15:20.09 | lardman|afk | Just the toolchain tarball really |
| 15:20.18 | lardman|afk | but you'd be better off installing scratchbox too |
| 15:20.26 | ttuttle | lardman|afk: /me is totally confused. |
| 15:20.55 | ttuttle | lardman: Will one of the toolchain tarballs simply have the binaries I need to package to have a toolchain? |
| 15:21.19 | lardman | I think so |
| 15:21.25 | trevarthan | Is there a watchdog on the n800 that reboots it automatically after a certain number of hours? |
| 15:21.27 | ttuttle | lardman: (I mean a toolchain on the N770, of course.) |
| 15:21.33 | ttuttle | trevarthan: 64 seconds, I think. |
| 15:21.42 | lardman | ttuttle: Oh, no. It's a cross compiler |
| 15:22.00 | ttuttle | lardman: No, I need a compiler *for the N770 itself*. |
| 15:22.03 | lardman | ttuttle: You want a native toolchain on the 770? |
| 15:22.07 | ttuttle | lardman: Yes. |
| 15:22.14 | ttuttle | lardman: (I know it's insane.) |
| 15:22.21 | lardman | ttuttle: You need to compile a compiler using the cross-compiler then |
| 15:22.35 | ttuttle | lardman: Nobody's got a package for it? |
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| 15:22.58 | lardman | ttuttle: It's so insanely slow that no-one's bothered to compile one I imagine |
| 15:23.43 | lardman | not to mention the lack of space back in those days |
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| 15:24.07 | lardman | ttuttle: What do you want to compile on your 770? Why do you want a toolchain? |
| 15:24.59 | ttuttle | lardman: Zope. |
| 15:25.42 | lardman | ttuttle: as in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zope? |
| 15:25.48 | ttuttle | lardman: Yeah. |
| 15:25.56 | lardman | ttuttle: The wikipedia page says it's written in Python |
| 15:26.04 | ttuttle | lardman: Some of it's C, I think. |
| 15:26.11 | ttuttle | lardman: At a minimum, it needs make. |
| 15:27.05 | ttuttle | lardman: Actually, I think it's all Python inside the Makefile. |
| 15:27.19 | lardman | ttuttle: Do you have a Linux box? Compiling on device is a real pita. |
| 15:27.23 | ttuttle | lardman: Wait, it mentions "binaries" in some places. |
| 15:27.33 | ttuttle | lardman: I'd rather compile on it, because cross-compiling will take too long to set up. |
| 15:27.42 | lardman | ttuttle: :D |
| 15:27.56 | melmoth | ttuttle, you will loose more time trying to compile it on the device |
| 15:27.59 | lardman | ttuttle: You'll still be waiting for it to finish the configure script this time next week |
| 15:28.00 | ttuttle | lardman: I mean I do have one. |
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| 15:28.40 | lardman | ttuttle: You'll waste vast amounts of time trying to build a native toolchain (which btw requires that you setup scratchbox + cross-toolchain), then trying to package the tools that you'll need |
| 15:29.00 | ttuttle | lardman: If you can tell me really clearly how to do this, I can do it. But I don't have the energy to dig in to Scratchbox a lot. |
| 15:29.30 | lardman | ttuttle: In that case you won't like building your own toolchain. |
| 15:29.35 | ttuttle | lardman: Good, I won't. |
| 15:29.53 | lardman | Right, let me find the destructions |
| 15:30.18 | ttuttle | Does anyone have at least a make package? |
| 15:30.51 | melmoth | what will you do with make and no compiler ? |
| 15:31.12 | lardman | ttuttle: Read this file: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/3.1/INSTALL.txt |
| 15:31.44 | lardman | ttuttle: You basically download a few tarballs, extract them (scratchbox, toolchains, etc.), then start scratchbox and setup targets |
| 15:31.58 | lardman | ttuttle: Takes ~30min excluding download times |
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| 15:32.23 | ttuttle | Sorry, I forgot to mention that I'm running amd64 :-\ |
| 15:32.41 | lardman | bbiam |
| 15:32.43 | ttuttle | ok |
| 15:33.40 | dragorn | ttuttle: Download vmware, install ubuntu-32, follow those instructions (honestly I wouldn't let scratchbox have full run of a system I cared about anyhow, I don't trust it's bind-mount voodoo) |
| 15:34.34 | hrhr_ | how I can download something without device ID from nokia site? |
| 15:36.20 | Jaffa | It is supposed to be possible to get Scratchbox running under AMD64: http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2007/03/26/leaving_mac_os_x |
| 15:36.38 | ttuttle | lardman: I've got a somewhat slower x86 box I can use. |
| 15:36.53 | Jaffa | hrhr_: ask someone with a device handy to give you theirs/look at the MAC ID of the device in the FCC filing docs/an unboxing slideshow |
| 15:41.10 | ttuttle | Jaffa: It's already under control ;-) |
| 15:41.32 | hrhr | =) |
| 15:42.41 | ttuttle | Jaffa: I don't have an N800. Perhaps someone with an N800 ought to speak with hrhr. |
| 15:43.08 | lardman | Jaffa: I've got IA64 running and scratchbox is fine, though I do have 32bit libs installed too |
| 15:44.02 | ttuttle | Anyone? |
| 15:44.43 | ttuttle | Sho_: HEY! |
| 15:45.01 | timtim | hey, someone bought into IA64! |
| 15:45.23 | Sho_ | ttuttle: What? *wakes up* |
| 15:45.25 | ttuttle | lardman: You mean amd64 or x86_64, not ia64. ia64 is Itanium. |
| 15:45.32 | Jaffa | He *might* mean ia64 ;-) |
| 15:45.33 | lardman | hmm, perhaps I said the wrong thing. 64bit Linux running on a Core Duo |
| 15:45.39 | lardman | no, I was wrong |
| 15:45.58 | hrhr | EM64T |
| 15:46.06 | timtim | aww, damn it. that means we cant ridicule your arch for flopping. |
| 15:46.08 | ttuttle | Well, em64t is not all of amd64, I think. |
| 15:46.12 | ttuttle | timtim: lol |
| 15:46.52 | hrhr | ttuttle: em64t near the x86_64 without some AMD features |
| 15:47.22 | lardman | timtim: Well if that's what it sounds like you could ridicule me for having had a machine with RAMBUS |
| 15:47.22 | Jaffa | Anyone got a gtkrc from a Maemo theme file handy |
| 15:47.25 | Jaffa | ? |
| 15:47.39 | ttuttle | hrhr: Yeah. /me loves his Core 2 Duo. |
| 15:47.40 | timtim | well you bought it! ddr was cheaper! :) |
| 15:48.07 | timtim | by orders of magnitude ;) |
| 15:48.16 | lardman | timtim: and rambus was supposed to be the best thing ever; until you wanted more of it that is :D |
| 15:48.35 | hrhr | ttuttle: what core2duo you have? |
| 15:48.50 | ||cw | I knew a guy that got a rambus system, I ridiculed him |
| 15:49.01 | ||cw | VLB was awesome |
| 15:49.10 | timtim | 486 is luxury. my first pc was 8mhz 8086 |
| 15:49.29 | ttuttle | My first PC was a 33 MHz 486. |
| 15:49.32 | ttuttle | 4 MB RAM. |
| 15:49.46 | ||cw | kids, my PC loaded programs off tape |
| 15:49.58 | ||cw | 4k of ram |
| 15:49.59 | ttuttle | We got the "multimedia upgrade" which had a sound card (Ensoniq SoundScape), a CD-ROM drive (with a really powerful eject motor!), and 8 MB extra RAM. |
| 15:50.05 | ttuttle | ||cw: Awesome, which one? |
| 15:50.08 | lardman | I had an IBM PC |
| 15:50.13 | ||cw | ti994/a |
| 15:50.15 | ttuttle | ||cw: I've got a couple of Timex Sinclairs at home. |
| 15:50.56 | ||cw | had the expansion that could do speach synthesis too, was freaking awesome |
| 15:51.33 | ||cw | sounded almost as good as flite on my 770 too |
| 15:52.36 | ||cw | and all I had to do was: print #1, "take me to your leader" |
| 15:52.42 | ttuttle | ||cw: That rocks. |
| 15:53.12 | ||cw | ttuttle: especially since it was in the mid 80's |
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| 15:55.11 | lardman | Is there something wrong with a2dp that means it uses excessive cpu, or is this normal (http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages#Bluetooth_ALSA)? |
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| 15:59.39 | lardman | hmm, site's down or not responding |
| 16:00.08 | lardman | ah well, have a nice evening all |
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| 16:12.05 | keesj | ||cw: wow , did you also have the (MBX)? http://oldcomputers.net/ti994a.html |
| 16:15.19 | ||cw | no, I havd the newer plastic one too. in the picture with all the expansion modules, the little one is what I had |
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| 16:39.19 | Brenduh | has anyone tried a java type program on the 770? I'm finding reference to a few, but can't find them or how to install them |
| 16:41.54 | Brenduh | I found JamVM, I guess I will see if I can install that |
| 16:43.31 | Brenduh | ok maybe someone can answer this question. If a program says it will work on ARM, does that mean it will work on the 770? |
| 16:45.04 | `0660 | no |
| 16:45.17 | `0660 | but it just might |
| 16:45.29 | Presence_ | arm vs armel? |
| 16:45.40 | Brenduh | hmm then I wonder if the jamvm will work, it says it's will work with: Power PC, i386; ARM; ARM64;MIPS |
| 16:48.56 | Hyperion|n800 | is there a good spreadsheet program for os2007? |
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| 16:53.14 | `0660 | yes, gnumeric |
| 16:53.25 | Hyperion|n800 | thanks |
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| 17:21.21 | eugene | Experiences getting SystemTap work on Nokia N800 |
| 17:21.29 | eugene | http://eugeneteo.livejournal.com/7484.html |
| 17:21.48 | eugene | SystemTap for Linux is similar to what Dtrace is for Solaris |
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| 17:29.04 | suihkulokki | eugene: nice, really nice |
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| 17:50.38 | Xenon3DN | Anyone here familiar with USB hacking on the N770? |
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| 17:55.04 | dragorn | yes. set to master mode w/ the flasher tool, build a cable which injects power, add a power source. The 770 is fairly easy. |
| 17:55.12 | dragorn | s/master mode/host mode/ |
| 17:57.54 | Xenon3DN | If the device you're hooking up doesn't need host power, do you still need power injection? |
| 17:59.53 | zuh | Yes, IIRC |
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| 18:02.18 | Xenon3DN | So, it just needs to see power on the pin to wake up the onboard USB chipset, right? |
| 18:02.29 | Xenon3DN | Could I feed it power tapped form the 770's own battery? |
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| 18:03.47 | Presence_ | why not use a wireless usb with a powered dongle |
| 18:04.19 | Xenon3DN | Because the goal is to make a compact, portable device to control a USB-attached Canon digital camera. |
| 18:04.30 | Presence_ | ah |
| 18:04.31 | Xenon3DN | Rather not haul along another device if it can be avoided. |
| 18:04.38 | Presence_ | understood |
| 18:04.52 | Xenon3DN | Just wondering if I can fool it with its own power with a wire wrap wire or such. |
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| 18:18.08 | cbx33 | hey all |
| 18:18.15 | cbx33 | is the repo to get xchat from safe? |
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| 18:18.59 | {abo} | 'ello :) |
| 18:19.33 | {abo} | I was wondering... It should be possible to run Maemo in QEmu, right? |
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| 18:20.51 | zuh | Xenon3DN: Maybe a suitable voltage battery would do? Guys at the office had a hack like that with a USB headset (but that draws power so it drained pretty quickly IIRC) |
| 18:21.06 | {abo} | I'd like to just have a look at what the interface is like and such, before I buy a Maemo-based device. |
| 18:22.03 | {abo} | zuh: You're talking about powered USB? |
| 18:22.26 | ||cw | {abo}: maemo.org has a howto |
| 18:22.29 | zuh | {abo}: You can only run some parts of it, the non-free software are not available. |
| 18:22.54 | ||cw | and I think there's even a vmware appliance with a minimal ubuntu with the stuff presetup |
| 18:23.23 | {abo} | I couldn't find the info. Hmm, yeah, google: vmware/qemu maemo might work... |
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| 18:23.53 | zuh | {abo}: And yes, connecting a USB peripherial to a 770 without a "hacked" hub |
| 18:23.56 | {abo} | Yeah, some proprietary bits missing, that's expected. |
| 18:24.46 | cbx33 | so if you have to build softeware from source like for example nmap |
| 18:24.50 | cbx33 | how do you do it? |
| 18:24.53 | cbx33 | in scratchbox? |
| 18:24.56 | {abo} | That would be awesome because I can get a USB thingy for laptops that gives me a wireless internet connection at up to 3.6 Mbit/s, for a rather modest fixed monthly cost. But doesn't work with N800. :( |
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| 18:29.15 | {abo} | So... http://www.maemo.org.br/platform/download-maemo-vm.html is trustworthy? Well, I'll run it in a QEmu sandbox anyway so doesn't matter, but anyway... |
| 18:29.39 | {abo} | Looks fairly official. :) |
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| 18:37.34 | Xenon3DN | zuh / abo : I'll let you know if I can fake the USB "phantom" power using the N770's own battery. We could haul along another battery, but that's sort of against the goal of the project. ;) |
| 18:39.50 | trevarthan | Does anyone know of a cheap bluetooth serial dongle? I want to control serial devices via bluetooth. Like http://www.openservo.com/ |
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| 18:44.02 | zuh | Xenon3DN: The one we had was a camera flashlight battery IIRC and was "embedded" (in the "put some electric tape over it" sense) to the connecting coord. That didn't make it a big thing to carry... |
| 18:44.42 | Xenon3DN | Makes sense. I'll see if the 3.7v from the Nokia's battery is enough to trigger it, and if not, will go the other way. |
| 18:46.25 | X-Fade | trevarthan: Check the carman reviews. Those mention a bt->serial convertor they use in combination with the other hardware.. |
| 18:47.24 | trevarthan | ok. I actually want a bluetooth to i2c adapter, but I'll take bt -> serial. :) |
| 18:47.41 | Xenon3DN | Froogle suggests this: |
| 18:47.42 | Xenon3DN | http://www.thinkethernet.com/prod.aspx?clvl=4&c1=1&c2=83&c3=256&p=418 |
| 18:47.43 | Xenon3DN | $49. |
| 18:48.00 | {abo} | I guess I'll just get a cellphone with UMTS+Bluetooth. :) |
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| 18:49.50 | Xenon3DN | If you're not afraid of soldering, here's some ideas: |
| 18:49.51 | Xenon3DN | http://zuff.info/Bluetooth.html |
| 18:50.09 | Presence_ | you can always get an inline battery tube |
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| 18:57.18 | ttuttle | {abo}: I did. It's awesome. |
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| 19:00.02 | {abo} | ttuttle: I bet :) |
| 19:05.36 | danilo_ | Hey, Why maemo's browser does not support proxy address? |
| 19:06.08 | Presence_ | YEah, that sucks |
| 19:06.14 | Presence_ | its proxy everything, or nothing |
| 19:06.17 | Presence_ | not per app |
| 19:06.18 | danilo_ | I've tryed to made a tsocks port for maemo. To use with SSH Tunnels. But it dosen't work with default browser |
| 19:06.55 | Presence_ | I want to do the same |
| 19:06.57 | danilo_ | it works with some applications (like wget, minimo browser), but didn't work with others (like skype and opera browser) |
| 19:06.58 | Presence_ | ssh tunneling works |
| 19:07.04 | Presence_ | BUT the browser doesnt care |
| 19:07.13 | Presence_ | anything cli it will work dan |
| 19:07.13 | danilo_ | YES! |
| 19:07.14 | danilo_ | lol |
| 19:07.17 | Presence_ | you could get elinks |
| 19:07.24 | Presence_ | and set http_proxy |
| 19:07.31 | danilo_ | elinks? |
| 19:07.38 | Presence_ | elinks is a text browser |
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| 19:09.53 | danilo_ | Ok.... but, my tsocks's port had worked with minimo (mozilla's browser).... So I can have a graphical browser with socks... But I could not understand why some applications do work and some applications dosen't... Pidgin, for example, did not work. By pidgin works with tsocks on my desktop. |
| 19:11.00 | Presence_ | probably because its been removed to taper it down |
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| 19:13.25 | DaniloCesar | In this vacations I'm decided to port's some programs to maemo..... But I'm just "half-successful" with tsocks =P |
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| 19:24.41 | metatron | how many people in here are actually on a n770/n800? |
| 19:25.31 | metatron | just curious |
| 19:26.19 | sbaturzio | metatron: you mean "connected to this channel with a n770/n800"? |
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| 19:29.52 | Presence_ | Im on from my sparc |
| 19:30.01 | Presence_ | irc from the 770 would be painful without a kb |
| 19:30.14 | Xenon3DN | I've done it, but am not right now. |
| 19:32.19 | metatron | yeah, i meant connected to the channel via a nokia it |
| 19:32.21 | `0660 | i use whenever i don't have a pc with ssh available |
| 19:32.36 | Presence_ | I probably will never use the 770 with my phone due to the data/tethering fees |
| 19:32.43 | `0660 | and when i'm too lazy to get up from the bed :) |
| 19:32.55 | Presence_ | so I would only have access when I have wifi...which greatly reduces the number of times the 770 is useful |
| 19:32.59 | metatron | yeah, a bt kybd is kinda key :-) |
| 19:33.09 | Presence_ | meta: and expensive just to IRC from |
| 19:33.13 | `0660 | how much do you pay for a megabyte? :) |
| 19:33.36 | metatron | just wondering if im the only one |
| 19:33.45 | `0660 | i think the thumb keyboard is just fine |
| 19:33.53 | `0660 | a bit slow but works |
| 19:35.25 | Presence_ | its $45/month for data and $15/month for tether |
| 19:35.57 | Presence_ | $60/month for phone service limited by bluetooth bandwidth isnt worth it :) |
| 19:36.24 | Presence_ | now if I can only get the damn 770 to support WAPs that use WPA with LEAP it would be better |
| 19:36.28 | `0660 | horrible |
| 19:36.47 | `0660 | for me it's 1,5 euros per megabyte |
| 19:37.11 | Xenon3DN | I think Verizon charges USD$45 a month for unmetered data. I don't think there's a separate tether fee. |
| 19:37.15 | `0660 | there was an unlimited 3g data with 10 euros / month couple of months ago |
| 19:37.19 | Presence_ | I would rather pay per mb |
| 19:37.28 | Presence_ | xenon: I have verizon |
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| 19:37.45 | Presence_ | its $60/month unless you have a smartphone and dont tether |
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| 19:38.08 | `0660 | irc doesn't consume that much traffic so i prefer to pay by the megabyte :) |
| 19:38.36 | Xenon3DN | I have a Palm Treo 650, but I haven't actually tried it. I'd been told I could get a data plan for $45, and I thought that would let me use BT DUN. |
| 19:38.42 | `0660 | usually i get something like $7 per month for it |
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| 20:24.15 | zyxulnaga | is there a way to find the original MAC address for the wlan0 interface in the nokia800 ? i.e. if it has previously changed with the ifconfig command and the sticker has disappeared from the back |
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| 20:25.11 | mgedmin | zyxulnaga: wouldn't rebooting reset it? |
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| 20:25.16 | zyxulnaga | nop, it won't |
| 20:25.23 | zyxulnaga | it keeps what I change it too |
| 20:25.38 | mgedmin | do you have the box? |
| 20:25.59 | zyxulnaga | well I know the MAC of it, but I want to be able to do it for another reason |
| 20:26.10 | zyxulnaga | I was hoping that it would be somewhere in /proc |
| 20:26.17 | zyxulnaga | or it will let me reset it to the original somehow |
| 20:28.26 | metatron | the mac should be on the sticker |
| 20:28.37 | metatron | under the back panel |
| 20:28.44 | zyxulnaga | I am aware of this |
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| 20:29.09 | metatron | and macchanger does set it back? |
| 20:29.17 | metatron | doesnt |
| 20:30.06 | metatron | (sorry a bit late to the conversation) |
| 20:30.12 | zyxulnaga | what's macchanger? |
| 20:30.20 | zyxulnaga | upon reboot it doesn't change to the original |
| 20:31.12 | metatron | search the repositories for it |
| 20:31.25 | metatron | it should allow you to change your mac back |
| 20:31.40 | metatron | how did it change in the first place? |
| 20:32.26 | zyxulnaga | with ifconfig wlan0 hw ether mynewmac |
| 20:32.38 | zyxulnaga | metatron: does it retrieve the vendor mac address? |
| 20:33.34 | metatron | not as far as i know |
| 20:34.20 | zyxulnaga | it doesn't I just installed the latest one |
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| 20:35.41 | metatron | why dont you just manually reset it with ifconfig and the number on the sticker? |
| 20:36.46 | zyxulnaga | it's part of something I am working on |
| 20:36.50 | zyxulnaga | it has to be done automated |
| 20:36.55 | metatron | ah |
| 20:37.31 | metatron | how automated? cant pass the command to a shell/through a script? |
| 20:39.03 | zyxulnaga | it's a bit complicated, there is no logical problem as to why I can't do it if I know the MAC |
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| 20:40.28 | metatron | i see, so you want to be able to retrieve the mac from the burned rom |
| 20:40.32 | metatron | gotcha |
| 20:40.33 | b0unc3 | hello |
| 20:40.43 | zyxulnaga | or reset it |
| 20:40.54 | metatron | i thought you needed help resetting it for your own machine |
| 20:41.40 | metatron | http://mg.pov.lt/770/ |
| 20:41.55 | metatron | has the macchanger app in the repository |
| 20:42.07 | metatron | dunno if it helps |
| 20:42.11 | mgedmin | oh, do I? |
| 20:42.15 | zyxulnaga | I already installed that |
| 20:42.24 | zyxulnaga | it doesn't find the vendor supplied mac |
| 20:42.43 | metatron | perhaps its only stored in flash? |
| 20:43.13 | metatron | sorry, wish i could help. |
| 20:43.27 | zyxulnaga | can't speculate over this, there must be a way though since in a post-flash operation it resets to the original one |
| 20:43.32 | zyxulnaga | thanks anyway |
| 20:43.44 | metatron | oh that is interesting |
| 20:45.15 | zyxulnaga | neat |
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| 20:45.22 | zyxulnaga | I took out the flash and battery and it just got reset |
| 20:45.38 | zyxulnaga | must have been stored in some internal temp memory |
| 20:45.54 | mgedmin | "took out the flash"? |
| 20:45.56 | mgedmin | how do you do that? |
| 20:46.34 | guardian | must be memory card |
| 20:47.15 | zyxulnaga | I mean the memory card |
| 20:47.21 | zyxulnaga | sorry |
| 20:50.13 | metatron | huh. |
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| 21:18.19 | MDK | re |
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| 21:22.35 | unique311 | lol..... |
| 21:23.12 | unique311 | thoughtfix and his N800 successor... |
| 21:23.21 | unique311 | lol |
| 21:23.40 | unique311 | first pupnik....now thoughtfix.. |
| 21:24.43 | unique311 | come on guys, with the iphone looking like it does. |
| 21:25.51 | disq | my idea of jog dial at the right top corner-side is great btw :P |
| 21:25.59 | tigert | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qg1ckCkm8YI ;-) |
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| 21:27.01 | dhd | hey ... I'm having some difficulties using the ALSA API for audio capture on the N800 ... is this the recommended way to record audio or should one use GStreamer instead? |
| 21:27.13 | tigert | dhd: use gstreamer |
| 21:27.22 | dhd | cool thanks, I noticed that's what maemo-recorder does |
| 21:28.14 | unique311 | lol |
| 21:28.25 | unique311 | will it blend |
| 21:28.30 | tigert | yeah :D |
| 21:28.30 | unique311 | that sucks.... |
| 21:28.50 | tigert | should blend a 770 if it wasnt so cute and nice |
| 21:28.54 | unique311 | i think he blended a fake.. |
| 21:28.59 | unique311 | one of those ifakes |
| 21:33.24 | disq | it's like a snuff movie for geeks |
| 21:35.17 | unique311 | not sure i like to see electronices go out like that |
| 21:35.22 | dhd | also is there any info about the audio capabilities of the device? It appears to be capable of 8kHz 16-bit audio, and I'm presuming it doesn't do anything better since the input is basically meant for VoIP... |
| 21:35.30 | dhd | err |
| 21:35.40 | dhd | the audio input on the N800 that is |
| 21:44.16 | unique311 | https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/wiki |
| 21:44.33 | unique311 | does look like konttorri's MP |
| 21:47.26 | {abo} | disq: haha :) |
| 21:47.54 | dev | unique311: #it is a "fork" |
| 21:48.13 | unique311 | fork...i remember that word.... |
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| 21:48.27 | unique311 | koen didn't like it being used for angstrom |
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| 22:07.50 | mattbmc | I think I somehow just locked myself out of root level access following the instructions here: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howdoibecomeroot2/ |
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| 22:11.00 | mattbmc | Step 4 on that doc needs to become Steps 4 though 10... I voluntarily skipped the steps in Step for of adding "user" to sudoer's... |
| 22:11.29 | mattbmc | Then I proceeded to lock dropbear out of giving root access by changing its config. |
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| 22:15.29 | mattbmc | The way that doc is written, it sounds like I should still be able to "sudo su -" to get root. (Which I know if I'd stepped back maybe I should have realized...but I'd rather fix the doc than figure that out.) |
| 22:16.21 | mattbmc | I'll figure out how to get edit access to fix the doc later tho.....do I have any hope of ganing root with things as they are? |
| 22:18.17 | mattbmc | (the Midgard CMS Toolbar seems to be incompatible with Safari....I'm fine in Firefox.) |
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| 23:02.50 | NeoStrider | hello folks! |
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| 23:28.35 | dick-richardson | someone have the latest google maps url for maemo mapper? |
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| 23:29.31 | maddler | dick-richardson: v=w2.56 |
| 23:29.46 | maddler | dick-richardson: changing that in the URL should fix... |
| 23:29.55 | dick-richardson | thank you! |
| 23:30.38 | maddler | you are welcome! |
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| 23:34.32 | trashed | ah, fishing for wifi... |
| 23:48.54 | mattbmc | looking for some help... |
| 23:49.09 | mattbmc | I think I somehow just locked myself out of root level access following the instructions here: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howdoibecomeroot2/ |
| 23:49.33 | mattbmc | Step 4 on that doc needs to become Steps 4 though 10... I voluntarily skipped the steps in Step for of adding "user" to sudoer's...thinking it was optional |
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| 23:49.44 | mattbmc | I'll figure out how to get edit access to fix the doc later tho.....do I have any hope of ganing root with things as they are? |
| 23:50.14 | pupnik | ||cw: the ti99 4/a was slick. In 1981 we had a TI guy demo one to us at compu-camp |
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