| 00:01.01 | alterego | Heh |
| 00:01.12 | alterego | What are you quibbles with it? |
| 00:01.54 | alterego | I'd like it to use the debian repo but obviously that's not possible. |
| 00:18.51 | Tu13es_ | if using a memory card as swap space, can you not put files on the card? |
| 00:21.02 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody catch the engadget spyshots? |
| 00:21.19 | GeneralAntilles | I _really_ hope they didn't add a slideable keyboard. |
| 00:22.09 | disq | Tu13es_: you can. |
| 00:22.16 | Tu13es_ | hmm |
| 00:22.21 | Tu13es_ | my friend said it said she wasn't able to |
| 00:22.34 | disq | the swap file only takes about 16 to 64 megs of space |
| 00:22.40 | Tu13es_ | yeah, that's what I figured |
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| 00:22.43 | Tu13es_ | it's a 1gb stick |
| 00:23.11 | Tu13es_ | oh, can she not put files on while the n770 is booted? |
| 00:23.13 | Tu13es_ | that's probably it |
| 00:23.37 | disq | booted? via usb? not sure, maybe |
| 00:23.45 | disq | ooh spy pics! |
| 00:25.17 | GeneralAntilles | I'm really hoping that wont be what it looks like. |
| 00:25.21 | GeneralAntilles | Talk about a usability downgrade. |
| 00:25.24 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.engadget.com/photos/is-this-the-successor-to-the-nokia-n800/ |
| 00:25.51 | disq | yeah |
| 00:26.48 | ericz | ooh qwerty though |
| 00:27.53 | Tu13es_ | it's..a sidekick? |
| 00:29.22 | Radar | I like the slideout keyboard |
| 00:29.38 | ericz | ew, one of the comments suggests nokia drop maemo and go windows, what's he thinking |
| 00:30.02 | Radar | only way to make it a umpc! |
| 00:30.08 | disq | i'm fine with the keyboard (as long as they keep vkb an option) but i don't like the d-pad position for one |
| 00:30.35 | disq | not to mention there's no rocker key at the right side :P |
| 00:30.44 | Radar | yeah, the dpad needs to be on the regular part, or at least a jog wheel on the side |
| 00:31.18 | nomis | ericz: but, but, but, its THE INDUSTRY STANDARD! |
| 00:31.20 | GeneralAntilles | No hardbuttons without the slider out? |
| 00:31.22 | GeneralAntilles | That SUCKS |
| 00:31.32 | disq | too bad you can't see the top side of the device |
| 00:31.43 | GeneralAntilles | N800 should've had the buttons cloned onto the right side. |
| 00:31.50 | nomis | actually this device looks a lot like a very early prototype. The finish is way too bad. |
| 00:31.53 | GeneralAntilles | Be a great Gameboy replacement, then. |
| 00:32.01 | disq | (if it doesn't have full screen button and friends then i would assume it's not the n800 successor) |
| 00:32.31 | nomis | right now I'd tend to categorize it as a phone. |
| 00:32.53 | pupnik | It does look pretty. But it's totally wrong for gaming :((( |
| 00:32.58 | nomis | (not sure why, it just does not feel like an internet tablet) |
| 00:32.59 | GeneralAntilles | It's an N-Series, anyway. |
| 00:33.06 | GeneralAntilles | nomis: I agree. |
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| 00:34.23 | ericz | haha, you can see the phone taking the picture of it in one of the reflections |
| 00:34.24 | pupnik | but it's pretty good for thumb texting |
| 00:35.10 | GeneralAntilles | Thumbboard onscreen is pretty good no the N800 |
| 00:35.20 | GeneralAntilles | It just doesn't like it when I try and type _too_ fast. |
| 00:35.31 | GeneralAntilles | Tell me, is multitouch a hardware or software limitation on the N800? |
| 00:35.36 | rhys | the touchscreen in general is slow compared the the palms |
| 00:35.38 | nomis | GeneralAntilles: probably hardware. |
| 00:36.07 | disq | hardware |
| 00:36.07 | rhys | i cant write with the stylus like i can on the palm. my hand is faster than the n800 |
| 00:36.14 | GeneralAntilles | That's too bad. |
| 00:36.21 | GeneralAntilles | Multitouch for typing would be really nice. |
| 00:36.31 | disq | multitouch screens work differently |
| 00:37.11 | rhys | i personally dont care about multitouch, i just wonder about the stylus. why is the software so slow in recognizing im touching it? |
| 00:37.24 | GeneralAntilles | Dollars and cents wise, how expensive would it be for Nokia to integrate it into an IT device 1 or 2 generations down the road? |
| 00:38.08 | Radar | probably will be that apple has patented multitouch |
| 00:38.13 | nomis | GeneralAntilles: no idea, but right now the multitouch stuff is afaik heavily patented by a german company, won't be cheap. |
| 00:38.19 | pupnik | what application do you want multitouch for? |
| 00:39.06 | nomis | pupnik: gaming :) |
| 00:39.25 | rhys | how about we get stylus writing first... |
| 00:39.35 | pupnik | :/ come to think of it, you could probably do gaming pretty well with that keyboard+ dpad |
| 00:39.56 | GeneralAntilles | Gaming and typing mostly. |
| 00:40.11 | GeneralAntilles | Gaming would be perfect if Nokia cloned the buttons on the N800 and stuck another set on the right side. |
| 00:40.13 | pupnik | i need tactile feedback for gaming buttons |
| 00:40.19 | rhys | writing! what about writing! |
| 00:40.31 | GeneralAntilles | The writing will never be as good as the Newton |
| 00:40.33 | GeneralAntilles | So there's no point. |
| 00:40.37 | pupnik | why not? |
| 00:40.44 | nomis | wow, balda (the company supposedly working with apple on the multitouch thing) has the most non-descript site ever. |
| 00:40.58 | GeneralAntilles | Damnable patents. |
| 00:41.00 | Radar | the keyboard would help from some scummvm games |
| 00:41.26 | pupnik | and all computer emus - C64, Atari, Amiga, DOSbox |
| 00:41.28 | nomis | I mean, wtf: http://www.balda.de/presse/pressemitteilungen/archiv_2007/mitteilung_01908_en.html |
| 00:41.58 | rhys | I can write like i do on paper on the palm. i cant do it on the nokia. it reacts to slow to my hand writing. |
| 00:42.03 | rhys | why is that? |
| 00:42.31 | pupnik | i am trying to imagine holding that with two hands and gaming - i think it could be possible -- right thumb on the j k l keys |
| 00:42.51 | pupnik | rhys unoptimized software? i have never tried writing |
| 00:43.30 | pupnik | mmm no i's terrible thumb positions.. :( |
| 00:43.37 | rhys | try it on anything. change the input to handwriting |
| 00:43.40 | rhys | its too damn slow |
| 00:43.56 | pupnik | i never saw decent hwr so i dunno |
| 00:44.16 | ericz | you have to write one letter at a time, it's almost faster to use the keyboard, isnt it? |
| 00:44.27 | GeneralAntilles | Check out the Newton |
| 00:44.30 | rhys | yep |
| 00:44.31 | GeneralAntilles | Greatest hwr EVER |
| 00:44.51 | rhys | GeneralAntilles, buddy of mine has a palm t3. works amazing. you can write on it like your writing on paper |
| 00:45.01 | GeneralAntilles | Same with the Newton |
| 00:45.06 | GeneralAntilles | But the screen is bigger, so it's much more natural |
| 00:45.13 | GeneralAntilles | You can write on the whole screen, too. |
| 00:45.47 | GeneralAntilles | I used my 2100 to take notes in class through all of highschool. |
| 00:45.48 | Tu13es_ | can you transfer files to an n770 memory card while it's booted into USB mode or whatever it's called? |
| 00:47.24 | pupnik | yes |
| 00:47.29 | Tu13es_ | hm |
| 00:47.39 | pupnik | well you just plug-in the usb |
| 00:47.44 | pupnik | not boot to it |
| 00:47.57 | Tu13es_ | she tried that and it said no because it's being used as swap memory |
| 00:48.21 | pupnik | turn swap off first |
| 00:48.38 | Tu13es_ | mm, that's pretty annoying |
| 00:48.47 | Tu13es_ | esp since it takes like 5 minutes to make the swap file |
| 00:49.52 | pupnik | i don't use swap on 770. and i avoid the evil websites |
| 00:50.23 | Tu13es_ | it's pretty annoying only being able to have like 2 apps open ma |
| 00:50.24 | Tu13es_ | x |
| 00:51.25 | pupnik | I don't use my lawnmower to drive to the shopping center either. :P |
| 00:51.39 | Tu13es_ | heh |
| 00:51.50 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
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| 01:01.21 | mattbmc | Anyone know if there's a way to change SMB Browser's default port? Would like to route over an alt port (>1024) that's tunnelled via SSH. |
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| 01:03.57 | ericz | i can't even get smbbrowser to work! :P |
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| 01:11.12 | mattbmc | ericz....basic functionalities are good for me |
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| 01:26.03 | mattbmc | smbbrowser will connect up to FreeNAS CIFS sharing no prob.... |
| 01:30.13 | mattbmc | ericz: do you have an X Terminal? |
| 01:30.18 | ericz | yes |
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| 01:35.20 | mattbmc | Can you telnet any of the associated ports on the server, from the 770? |
| 01:36.26 | ericz | hrm, well i was trying to do that "insmod ./cifs.ko" thing |
| 01:36.36 | mattbmc | wtf? lol |
| 01:36.39 | ericz | but now that i think about it, the firewall does only let me in :P |
| 01:36.48 | mattbmc | I'm not l33t.....you just spoke greek to me. ;-) |
| 01:36.49 | ericz | me being the desktop |
| 01:36.56 | mattbmc | ah |
| 01:37.20 | mattbmc | forward the port or open it up then? |
| 01:37.26 | ericz | playing with iptables now |
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| 01:38.40 | ericz | still not working |
| 01:38.52 | ericz | i dont think i have 'smbfs' where do i get that |
| 01:41.50 | ericz | telnet works, but |
| 01:41.55 | ericz | smbbrowser doesnt find anything |
| 01:44.41 | mattbmc | um....project page has a link in the Announcement/News page, but it comes with the Samba package as well |
| 01:44.52 | mattbmc | (may already be in your App Mgr) |
| 01:45.09 | mattbmc | hm |
| 01:45.17 | ericz | i have |
| 01:45.28 | ericz | "samba", "smbbrowser", and "smbclient" |
| 01:45.36 | ericz | all installed |
| 01:45.37 | mattbmc | which ports you forwarding? |
| 01:46.04 | ericz | none, i just had to let the 770 have access to all ports on the server |
| 01:46.09 | mattbmc | sambafs should be there then....look at the package description for Samba and check tho |
| 01:46.12 | ericz | anything TCP anyway |
| 01:46.13 | mattbmc | k |
| 01:46.16 | mattbmc | hm |
| 01:46.38 | ericz | oh, damn, "samba"s status is "Broken" |
| 01:46.52 | ericz | wonder why |
| 01:46.54 | mattbmc | hrm |
| 01:47.01 | mattbmc | that's strange |
| 01:47.26 | pupnik_ | TCP sounds like the 60s psychedelic that never achieved market success |
| 01:48.05 | ericz | Transmission Control Protocol :p |
| 01:48.11 | mattbmc | between that and sniffing ETHERnet, we should all be feelin good |
| 01:48.23 | mattbmc | (sorry) |
| 01:48.28 | ericz | haha |
| 01:49.07 | mattbmc | never seen a package "broken" before....does that mean uninstalling/reinstalling is out of the question? |
| 01:50.26 | ericz | tried it, still broken |
| 01:50.51 | ericz | when installing it said it would take 2.9MB or something |
| 01:50.58 | ericz | it says it will free 6.9MB if i uninstall |
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| 02:01.45 | NeoStrider_ | hello folks |
| 02:01.48 | NeoStrider_ | im having a problem! |
| 02:02.02 | NeoStrider_ | my sbox complain when installing SDK_ARMEL: cannot overwrite directory `/targets/SDK_ARMEL/usr/include/asm' with non-directory |
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| 02:06.17 | yzf600 | hello again |
| 02:06.51 | yzf600 | has anyone gotten Gnumeric installed on their 770? |
| 02:06.55 | pupnik_ | hi NeoStrider_ i seem to remember this... i don't remember the right solution. try renaming include/asm and see what gets installed onto it |
| 02:07.06 | pupnik_ | you can move the include/asm_orig back to /asm later |
| 02:07.15 | yzf600 | I found the packages, but they say "package architecture (arm) does not match system (armel)" |
| 02:07.19 | NeoStrider_ | this inside or outside sbox? |
| 02:07.32 | NeoStrider_ | yzf600, seems to be a Maemo 1.0 package |
| 02:07.49 | yzf600 | ah |
| 02:07.52 | pupnik_ | doesn't matter |
| 02:09.07 | yzf600 | should I force the install? |
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| 02:10.29 | NeoStrider_ | whats the package? |
| 02:11.30 | yzf600 | Gnumeric - spreadsheet application |
| 02:12.30 | NeoStrider_ | hummm |
| 02:12.34 | NeoStrider_ | tried that too |
| 02:12.39 | NeoStrider_ | i dont remember the outcome |
| 02:12.48 | yzf600 | I really don't like forcing packages to install |
| 02:12.50 | NeoStrider_ | 770 or N800? |
| 02:14.04 | yzf600 | 770 |
| 02:14.24 | NeoStrider_ | hummm |
| 02:14.28 | NeoStrider_ | gregalle? |
| 02:14.44 | yzf600 | yes |
| 02:15.05 | yzf600 | I'm not ready to run 2007 (or bora It's called I think) on my 770 |
| 02:15.14 | NeoStrider_ | yeah..bora |
| 02:15.20 | NeoStrider_ | I will keep gregalle too |
| 02:15.41 | NeoStrider_ | as a developer aiming for the 770, I must keep up with my huge and vast public ;-P |
| 02:18.12 | yzf600 | NeoStrider_: Have you been able to setup scratchbox all the way and run the menu lanucher? |
| 02:18.30 | yzf600 | I've got everything installed, but the menu launcher won't run for me. |
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| 02:18.53 | NeoStrider_ | I've got it all running with SDK_PC |
| 02:19.14 | NeoStrider_ | but Im still stumbling with that problem on SDK_ARMEL |
| 02:19.18 | NeoStrider_ | im going to reboot |
| 02:19.21 | NeoStrider_ | brb |
| 02:21.09 | yzf600 | I get this error: Starting Maemo Launcher: maemo-launcherqemu: uncaught target signal 4 (Illegal instruction) - exiting |
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| 02:21.20 | yzf600 | google search turns up nothing |
| 02:21.42 | pupnik_ | what qemu cpu transparency do you have set up? |
| 02:22.41 | pupnik_ | you could try setting up another sb armel target using a different qemu transparency version |
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| 02:24.05 | NeoStrider_ | im back |
| 02:24.08 | NeoStrider_ | gonna try again |
| 02:26.05 | yzf600 | pupnik_: ok, I'll try that |
| 02:26.51 | yzf600 | so what is the difference between arm and armel? |
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| 02:28.48 | NeoStrider | my xchat segfaulted before I could see any answer... |
| 02:29.31 | NeoStrider | worked!!! |
| 02:29.54 | pupnik_ | good deal |
| 02:31.35 | NeoStrider | im back in business! |
| 02:31.40 | NeoStrider | so is MaemoWizard! |
| 02:31.54 | NeoStrider | (and Angstron) |
| 02:32.20 | pupnik_ | have you done anything with maemowizard since april? |
| 02:33.28 | NeoStrider | littl |
| 02:33.37 | NeoStrider | not justifyng a release |
| 02:33.48 | NeoStrider | I just tweaked the icon stuff |
| 02:34.09 | NeoStrider | but im planing a new review, shrinking the size of the template |
| 02:34.22 | NeoStrider | and now Im going to be able to test it against gregalle SDK |
| 02:34.29 | NeoStrider | (I was using mistral) |
| 02:34.45 | NeoStrider | hey...its always good to see people remember your works ;-) |
| 02:36.09 | mattbmc | ericz...I'm tapped for solutions on the package side...still learning the linux side myself |
| 02:36.42 | mattbmc | maybe query google on debian generally instead of maemo or nokia (w/e)? |
| 02:37.54 | mattbmc | just wanna reask: |
| 02:37.54 | mattbmc | Anyone know if you can select a custom destination port for SMB Browser? |
| 02:38.03 | pupnik_ | NeoStrider: it helped me learn about maemo - thanks |
| 02:38.31 | mattbmc | I'mnew. MaemoWizard = ?? |
| 02:39.06 | NeoStrider | (im amazed to discover that...hehe) |
| 02:39.24 | yzf600 | oh no |
| 02:39.31 | NeoStrider | mattbmc: MaemoWizard is a silly script I made to create packages for SDL applications easier |
| 02:39.37 | yzf600 | something has gone horribly wrong |
| 02:39.42 | NeoStrider | what? |
| 02:39.51 | yzf600 | I went to uninstall the scratchbox packages from my host CPU |
| 02:40.06 | yzf600 | well, the removal didn't remove /scratchbox |
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| 02:40.13 | yzf600 | so I went in there to remove it myself |
| 02:40.42 | yzf600 | I got some message about circular references and my filesystem was probably corrupt |
| 02:40.44 | NeoStrider | i did that once too |
| 02:40.50 | NeoStrider | oooops |
| 02:41.03 | yzf600 | so I whipped out the rm -rf on it and the hard disk goes to town |
| 02:41.10 | NeoStrider | that becouse /scratchbox has some symlinks to your host fs |
| 02:41.28 | mattbmc | zoiks |
| 02:41.30 | NeoStrider | I wasnt that ambicious ;-) |
| 02:41.31 | yzf600 | thinking "there can't be that much stuff in there" I control-C the op |
| 02:41.55 | yzf600 | but the symlinks would be deleted and not the location they point to |
| 02:42.00 | yzf600 | unless they were hard links |
| 02:42.24 | yzf600 | which I think might be the case as my /tmp dir on my host cpu is completely empty |
| 02:43.00 | yzf600 | damn it |
| 02:43.23 | yzf600 | well, I hope I didn't fsck something up |
| 02:46.16 | yzf600 | ok, I'm off to logout and back on to see if my system still works. |
| 02:46.20 | yzf600 | wish me luch |
| 02:46.23 | yzf600 | luck |
| 02:46.24 | NeoStrider | yzf600...this is other machine , other than this you're using now, right? |
| 02:46.41 | yzf600 | no, I've only got one machine |
| 02:46.42 | NeoStrider | good luck |
| 02:46.45 | NeoStrider | wow |
| 02:47.09 | yzf600 | yea, I use it as my: web server, email server, audio/video server, |
| 02:47.27 | yzf600 | brb |
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| 02:49.57 | NeoStrider | hope he comes back with a good system |
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| 02:52.15 | yzf600 | whew - I'm back |
| 02:52.27 | yzf600 | took a hard reboot to get here, though |
| 02:52.52 | yzf600 | My best guess is that the tmp link in the scratchbox was a hard link and I wiped all my tmp dirs and files |
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| 02:52.57 | yzf600 | gnome is not happy when you do that |
| 02:55.46 | NeoStrider | but your system is fully nominal? |
| 02:59.13 | yzf600 | so far, so good |
| 03:01.46 | NeoStrider | good |
| 03:01.49 | NeoStrider | and your sbox? |
| 03:01.53 | NeoStrider | empty? |
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| 03:14.04 | NeoStrider | c ya fellows! |
| 03:14.26 | egsavage | any known repository issues now? When I use the nokia install or do a apt-get update i'm getting errors |
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| 03:24.26 | megabyte405 | make sure you don't have "extras" under Bora repository.maemo.org |
| 03:24.33 | megabyte405 | egsavage: ^^ |
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| 03:33.12 | Abulafia | hi all |
| 03:33.46 | egsavage | megabyte405: is that the only issue right now? |
| 03:34.07 | egsavage | let me look at the list - i forget now |
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| 03:37.59 | Abulafia | im sorry if i missed something obvious in googling, but are there any IDEs for the n800 for perl or python? |
| 03:38.25 | egsavage | i had two entries with extras - one in the url, the other with extras listed along with free and non-free |
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| 03:47.44 | megabyte405 | Abulafia: not that are hosted on it that I know of |
| 03:47.51 | megabyte405 | any desktop app should be able to handle it, though |
| 03:47.55 | megabyte405 | since perl and python are interpreted |
| 03:48.24 | Abulafia | i understand, i was just looking for something more than a shell or vim |
| 03:49.39 | Abulafia | i was just hoping for a hildon IDE |
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| 03:50.07 | Pio | are there any mirrors where you can download os updates faster than http://www.maemo.org/downloads/nokia_770? |
| 03:50.20 | febb | hi all |
| 03:51.54 | Pio | err http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_770.php |
| 03:53.46 | Abulafia | btw, did anyone have downloading problems with skype? i kept getting "download failed" |
| 03:54.13 | Abulafia | in the end i downloaded everything by http and used dpkg |
| 03:54.46 | Abulafia | (i really hate the package manger) |
| 03:55.00 | Abulafia | err... manager |
| 03:55.30 | Abulafia | gah BT keyboard |
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| 03:57.51 | asys3 | hi, anybody uses booting from mmc ? |
| 03:59.33 | asys3 | i want to enlarge my rootfs to prevent me from running out of space while installing apps |
| 04:02.23 | febb | asys3: I did that when I had the N770 and after a while it developed some troubles due the life span of the mmc cards... |
| 04:02.24 | asys3 | i installed with http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_easily_boot_from_mmc_card/ but ask myself if an enlargement of the roots still boots or causes problems? |
| 04:03.06 | febb | that is the max number of write/read cycles each mmc card is rated for...... |
| 04:03.19 | asys3 | febb:no i've used it for a long time without a problem. |
| 04:04.00 | febb | cool then.... I tried several different cards... on several N770 (all company owned) and eventually most of them failed... |
| 04:04.01 | asys3 | febb:the problem there is if you use flash as swap!! |
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| 04:04.29 | febb | used both, as swap and as rootfs extension..... |
| 04:06.00 | asys3 | i think read/write cycle lifetime problems are somehow not real. i never had it even when swapping. |
| 04:08.16 | febb | i see... well, those are my 2 cents. indeed had trouble with "over-using" the mmc cards.... haven't tried it on the N800 tough. |
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| 04:14.56 | pupnik_ | isn't the internal flash the same technology? i don't see how rootfs on mmc would be any problem |
| 04:15.18 | pupnik_ | the most writing obviously is from swap |
| 04:15.53 | asys3 | pupnik:exactly! |
| 04:21.18 | Abulafia | in which case it would be better to use a replaceable card anyway :-) |
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| 04:51.37 | jga23 | anybody have a tutorial on getting maemo scratchbox running on ubuntu? |
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| 05:01.56 | Abulafia | http://ianlawrence.info/random-stuff/maemo-3-1-bora-on-ubuntu-feisty |
| 05:02.22 | Abulafia | havent tried it myself, on the todo list |
| 05:03.00 | Abulafia | actually was going to use the vm image under windows |
| 05:03.57 | jga23 | I have ubuntu on virtual pc, so I'm trying to install on that |
| 05:04.14 | jga23 | last I heard vm doesn't work well on vista, so I'm going that route |
| 05:04.43 | Abulafia | http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/702 |
| 05:05.18 | Abulafia | ah |
| 05:05.35 | Abulafia | dunno - dont use vista |
| 05:08.10 | Abulafia | have you tried converting the dev vm to virtual pc? |
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| 05:08.56 | Abulafia | http://blogs.virtualserver.tv/blogs/dugie/archive/2006/12/14/VMware_to_Microsoft_Virtual_Machine_Conversions_with_VMDK2VHD.aspx |
| 05:09.26 | jga23 | sweet, thanks! |
| 05:10.31 | jga23 | this vm isn't the version that came out a week ago is it? |
| 05:11.43 | Abulafia | i dunno |
| 05:11.57 | Abulafia | like i said, its on my todo list; havent done it yet |
| 05:12.00 | Abulafia | :-) |
| 05:12.08 | jga23 | :) k |
| 05:14.03 | Abulafia | if you do it, let me know how it works out |
| 05:14.57 | Abulafia | its been a long time since ive written anything but i need a frontend for openvpn |
| 05:15.09 | Abulafia | so im guessing im going to be doing it myself |
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| 05:25.38 | ericz | anyone know if the n800 works with google calendar? |
| 05:34.32 | cesman | ericz: according to the post n internettablettalk, yes |
| 05:34.43 | cesman | it will sync w/ GPE |
| 05:34.55 | ericz | cesman, ah, cool, thanks |
| 05:35.03 | cesman | you're welcome |
| 05:35.07 | ericz | what about the 770? |
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| 05:36.56 | Abulafia | is there a bora version of abiword? |
| 05:38.10 | Abulafia | or alternatively, what are people using for wp on the n800 |
| 05:38.43 | Abulafia | (please don't say vi :-) |
| 05:39.08 | ericz | nano? :P |
| 05:39.25 | Abulafia | damn you :-) |
| 05:40.28 | Abulafia | its funny, im using my n800 right now, and i've fielded the usual questions, but twice ive been asked about word processing... |
| 05:40.36 | Abulafia | and i didnt have an answer |
| 05:41.50 | Abulafia | actually, it was funny - someone else had an n800 at the cafe i'm sitting at... i explained to him he may want to look into changing his root password... his eyes kinda glazed over |
| 05:42.09 | ericz | "root?" |
| 05:42.13 | Abulafia | but in the end, he got it. |
| 05:42.20 | ericz | "like in a tree?" |
| 05:42.31 | Abulafia | heh. |
| 05:42.44 | Abulafia | nah, i just say like "adminstrator" in windows |
| 05:42.47 | Abulafia | that worked |
| 05:42.51 | ericz | ah |
| 05:43.01 | ericz | see, i'm not patient enough :( i'd make horrible tech support |
| 05:43.12 | `0660 | is there a point in changing the root password if you don't have an ssh daemon installed? |
| 05:44.08 | Abulafia | cause down the line, he may do something that requires ssh (like syncing) |
| 05:44.13 | Abulafia | and he wont know |
| 05:44.57 | Abulafia | does dropbear server run by default? |
| 05:45.08 | ericz | Abulafia, http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php?lang=en something about abiword there |
| 05:45.17 | ericz | it does if you install it |
| 05:46.21 | Abulafia | ericz:ta |
| 05:46.40 | Abulafia | ah, its the old mistral one |
| 05:46.58 | Abulafia | it doesnt work so well on the n800 |
| 05:46.58 | ericz | oh :/ |
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| 05:48.12 | Abulafia | sadly, i saw some posts about updating it to work on bora |
| 05:48.24 | Abulafia | or work properly |
| 05:48.39 | Abulafia | but the threads seem to have died in april |
| 05:50.28 | Abulafia | so, the people in the ny nokia store are nice. they gave me the one spare wired headset they had |
| 05:50.40 | Abulafia | i offered to pay, and they turned me down |
| 05:50.56 | Abulafia | i didnt even buy from them directly |
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| 06:29.54 | Komarov | what's the version of the Opera in the latest firmware? |
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| 07:37.16 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:38.35 | johann__ | hmm, should i actually try to use the sdk on suse, or is it better to use some debian xen dom for it? |
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| 07:42.24 | pupnik_ | shouldn't matter |
| 07:42.36 | pupnik_ | some kernels don't work though |
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| 07:46.33 | draeger | 777 /awazy |
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| 07:49.24 | jani | fedora/redhat kernel had issue with one feature by default but it could be change from commandline without reboot if i remember correctly. |
| 07:50.40 | melmoth | johann__, i had the same issue on a RHEL box, i opted for xen. |
| 07:51.25 | melmoth | works nice...except for some network related weirdness (gnome vfs ftp and xen bridging issue i m too lazy to try to understand) |
| 07:52.35 | johann__ | :-) |
| 07:52.39 | johann__ | ok, thank you |
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| 08:30.34 | sbaturzio | Aloha! |
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| 08:37.44 | pupnik_ | sbaturzio: do you have an Aloha! script? :) |
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| 08:39.01 | sbaturzio | pupnik_: just fingers :) |
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| 08:40.02 | pupnik_ | well Guten Morgen mein freund |
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| 08:53.04 | Mikho | is it safe to cast a GtkWindow down to HildonWindow? |
| 08:53.30 | Mikho | ...a programmer shouldn't have to think things like this |
| 08:53.35 | nomis | Mikho: the other way around. |
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| 08:53.56 | nomis | it is safe to cast a HildonWindow to a GtkWindow. |
| 08:54.05 | Mikho | well that goes without saying |
| 08:54.15 | nomis | no, the other way around is not safe. |
| 08:54.28 | inz | Unless you know, it's a HildonWindow |
| 08:54.30 | inz | -, |
| 08:54.54 | Mikho | ok. The problem here is that one cannot create HildonWindows with glade |
| 08:55.43 | Mikho | so I'd have to create a GtkWindow to hold all the widgets, load the xml with libglade, detach the widgets from the top level gtkwindow and attach it to a hand made HildonWindow |
| 08:56.24 | Mikho | correct? |
| 08:56.36 | inz | yeah |
| 08:57.06 | nomis | Uh. |
| 08:57.22 | inz | As GtkWindow is a GtkBin, that means that you only have to reattach the one child of the window |
| 08:57.23 | nomis | Mikho: did you try changing the xml manually? |
| 08:58.07 | Mikho | inz, that's how I did it, but it still felt a bit awkward |
| 08:58.27 | nomis | (it actually *is* awkward :) |
| 08:58.38 | Mikho | what would changing the xml manually help? |
| 08:59.15 | lardman | morning |
| 08:59.20 | nomis | Mikho: at some point it describes the GtkWindow. It should be possible to exchange GtkWindow with a HildonWindow there. At least if libglade is implemented somewhat sane. |
| 08:59.27 | pupnik_ | hi lardman |
| 08:59.33 | lardman | hi pupnik_ |
| 09:00.06 | inz | nomis, if it would work, you'd need to call hildon_window_get_type() before libglade tries to open the .xml |
| 09:00.24 | Mikho | it's actually possible to change the window to say HildonWindow even in the editor. I just wasn't sure if it was able instantiate a HildonWindow anyway |
| 09:00.27 | inz | (haven't tried, but without that, glade has no hope of finding the class HildonWindow) |
| 09:00.41 | nomis | inz: shouldn't libglade do this? They need to map arbitrary strings to gobject types anyway. |
| 09:01.23 | inz | nomis, mapping arbitary strings to gobjects requires that they're registered to GType system |
| 09:01.38 | inz | nomis, and as libglade doesn't normally support hildon, I'm guessing they don't do that |
| 09:02.34 | nomis | inz: I'm willing to bet that libglade does not a *_get_type() for all gtk widgets. That would be a waste. |
| 09:03.33 | Jaffa | Interesting link to engadget from maemo-users |
| 09:03.34 | Mikho | maybe I'll try |
| 09:04.42 | Mikho | reattaching the windows seems to work, but I kinda hate awkward code |
| 09:04.44 | inz | nomis, well, then they'd have to do go from FuckedCase to under_score, and do dlsym(NULL, under_score_get_Type) and call that |
| 09:04.45 | nomis | Hmm. I kind of expected g_type_from_name() to do what I want it to, but doesn't seem so. |
| 09:05.32 | inz | nomis, well, it pretty much cannot do that |
| 09:06.08 | nomis | inz: the more I think about it the more I believe you're right. |
| 09:06.27 | Mikho | I spent the whole yesterday fighting against "cannot find signal handler <blah>" |
| 09:07.08 | inz | Mikho, what's your plan now, going single or multithread? |
| 09:07.10 | nomis | well, libglade probably does evil library stuff anyway, when I think about all that autoconnect stuff. |
| 09:07.21 | Mikho | but got more experience points and maybe a level when I realized c++ mangles the symbol names so libglade doesn't find them anymore |
| 09:07.33 | inz | Mikho, extern "C" {} |
| 09:07.38 | Mikho | inz, indeed :) |
| 09:07.52 | Mikho | inz, multithreaded it is |
| 09:08.02 | inz | damn, I though I had you |
| 09:08.08 | inz | but you've gone to the dark side :( |
| 09:08.25 | Mikho | I'm not afraid of the threads, even though they might strangle me |
| 09:09.24 | inz | I'm still claiming that you'd get at least the same power efficiency, if not better, with single threaded approach |
| 09:09.42 | nomis | Yay for single threaded programming! |
| 09:10.20 | inz | nomis, on uniprocessor systems |
| 09:10.37 | Mikho | I'll remember your wise words if I fail |
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| 09:14.56 | nomis | Mikho: did you try exchanging the type name? I'm really curious now :) |
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| 09:16.47 | Mikho | I'll try for you :) |
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| 09:34.25 | inz | At least glade doesn't understand it |
| 09:34.29 | inz | No idea of libglade |
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| 09:50.46 | disq | heh. metalayer-crawler was taking a long time probably scanning my sardine partition, so i disabled it. felt good |
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| 09:57.00 | sbaturzio | is there a way to forward the X session thru ssh? |
| 09:57.18 | pancake | man ssh? |
| 09:57.23 | sbaturzio | I mean: I want to start an application on N800 but see the output on my PC |
| 09:57.44 | sbaturzio | pancake: I tried to enable X11forwarding but it doesn't work |
| 09:57.45 | pancake | on wikipedia there are examples of use |
| 09:58.05 | sbaturzio | maybe because the only user I can use for an ssh connection is root and not "user" |
| 09:58.43 | sbaturzio | forwarding X between my PC's works fine |
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| 10:04.26 | pancake | does the ssh works ? |
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| 10:05.42 | cosmo | sbaturzio: use options -XY when connecting |
| 10:06.02 | cosmo | i've run app from PC to 770, not vice versa. i believe it should work |
| 10:06.18 | nomis | also check the DISPLAY environment variable after ssh'ing onto the N800 |
| 10:07.00 | sbaturzio | cosmo: well...in /etc/ssh/sshd_config the X11Forwarding is 'yes', connecting with "ssh -XY ..." doesn't create the right DISPLAY variable |
| 10:07.10 | sbaturzio | let me try to force it to a right value... |
| 10:07.48 | nomis | sbaturzio: it should be something like localhost:12.0 |
| 10:08.01 | sbaturzio | 12? not 10? |
| 10:08.13 | nomis | well, thats not that relevant. |
| 10:09.07 | nomis | the point is, that it is not something like localhost:0.0 - the x11 protocol gets encapsulated into a ssh tunnel. |
| 10:09.22 | sbaturzio | anyway...still "cannot open display" error |
| 10:09.50 | sbaturzio | must I reboot the whole n800 after changing the sshd_config? |
| 10:10.04 | nomis | hmm, maybe some xauth-related problem. Not that I'd know that much about that... |
| 10:10.23 | nomis | sbaturzio: at least restart the ssh daemon. |
| 10:10.40 | sbaturzio | the -Y should override the xauth problem, shouldn't it? |
| 10:11.02 | nomis | oh, ok. |
| 10:11.17 | cosmo | it allows clients to do some "unsecure" things |
| 10:11.35 | sbaturzio | nomis: ssh restarted, no change |
| 10:11.36 | cosmo | for example using menus in gnome apps crashes the app if -Y is not on |
| 10:11.59 | cosmo | do you have openssh server, not the other one? |
| 10:12.13 | sbaturzio | openssh |
| 10:14.22 | sbaturzio | are we sure the openssh support X11forwarding? |
| 10:14.30 | sbaturzio | how can we check this? |
| 10:15.29 | cosmo | yes i am. |
| 10:15.55 | cosmo | unless openssh maemo port is somehow crippled |
| 10:15.58 | JussiP_ | By default OpenSSH servers do not allow X forwarding. |
| 10:16.18 | cosmo | JussiP_: yes, that's why must use -XY |
| 10:16.22 | JussiP_ | Check /etc/ssh/ssh_config |
| 10:16.49 | JussiP_ | cosmo: no, that is for client, the server can also refuse X even if the client requests it. |
| 10:17.08 | JussiP_ | I meant sshd_config of course. |
| 10:17.44 | sbaturzio | JussiP_: sshd_config it's ok: "X11Forwarding yes" |
| 10:18.15 | cosmo | JussiP_: at least on normal desktop linux the server allows it if client requests it |
| 10:18.36 | JussiP_ | Not so on Debian at least. |
| 10:19.28 | inz | cosmo, doesn't -Y imply -X? |
| 10:19.32 | sbaturzio | JussiP_: changes the ssh_config, just to be sure, but nothing change |
| 10:20.27 | JussiP_ | I mean check ssdh_config at the *other* end. ssh_config is overridden by command line parameters. |
| 10:20.36 | cosmo | JussiP_: oh ok.. i'm only familiar with ubuntu & fedora |
| 10:21.04 | cosmo | inz: maybe so.. at least -XY works for me |
| 10:24.49 | sbaturzio | uhm....the message is "GLIB WARNING ** Gtk - cannot open display:" with nothing on the end...maybe is something related to GTK, not to X? |
| 10:27.18 | cy- | sup |
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| 10:29.12 | cbx33 | hey all |
| 10:29.27 | cbx33 | just got my nokia n800 |
| 10:29.35 | cy- | noice |
| 10:29.44 | cbx33 | question |
| 10:29.54 | cy- | I'll brb |
| 10:30.02 | sbaturzio | uhmm....some improvement |
| 10:30.20 | cbx33 | the application installer doesn't seem to support the proxy settings |
| 10:30.31 | cbx33 | is that known |
| 10:30.36 | sbaturzio | starting xephyr on my pc and giving the DISPLAY=ipofmypc:2 on n800 change something |
| 10:30.55 | Mikho | nomis, it seems the editor doesn't allow me to change GtkWindow into HildonWindow |
| 10:31.39 | Mikho | so editing the xml file would be too much hassle as the changes would be overwritten every time I save |
| 10:31.46 | inz | Mikho, I noticed that too, neither does it allow to load an .xml where you've changed that to something "weird" |
| 10:32.00 | inz | Mikho, even if that "weird" has been registered to the GType system |
| 10:32.32 | Mikho | so the only possibility is to manually reattach the widget under the first window |
| 10:32.42 | inz | so it seems |
| 10:32.45 | inz | (or ditch glade ;) |
| 10:32.57 | Mikho | never! :) |
| 10:33.36 | nomis | ok, thanks for trying. |
| 10:33.56 | cbx33 | also is there a nice tutorial for setting up a python dev environment for the n800? |
| 10:34.16 | sbaturzio | OK, seems X11 forwarding works at least |
| 10:34.31 | sbaturzio | but we need to start xephyr on PC before |
| 10:35.24 | sbaturzio | now I got a problem related to sapwood server which is not running for that DISPLAY |
| 10:35.30 | cbx33 | I'm guessing I really need the terminal on my n800 before i can hack about much |
| 10:35.55 | cy- | ugh |
| 10:36.02 | cy- | still no SIP or IAX client for n800 :( |
| 10:36.12 | cbx33 | but I can't get it because app manager doesn't seem to honnur the proxy settingo |
| 10:40.11 | cbx33 | anyone know anything about it? |
| 10:41.43 | nomis | Mikho: (I'd still be interested what happens if you manually change that) |
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| 11:30.09 | zuh | nomis: It would work, but only if someone (either your app or a libglade module) registers the widget type with libglade before loading it |
| 11:31.37 | zuh | Like this: https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/libglade-hildon/libglade-hildon.c |
| 11:32.18 | zuh | But as I said, it could be done in your app too |
| 11:34.15 | disq | the new unzip.desktop has "NoDisplay=true" but it's still shown in launch menu (bora) |
| 11:34.42 | disq | i'm guessing the file is there for mime type purposes |
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| 11:53.29 | cosmo | is xchat maemo porter here? |
| 12:02.21 | inz | which one? |
| 12:02.36 | cosmo | any |
| 12:02.49 | inz | I did one port |
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| 12:03.07 | inz | It is way worse than skyhusker's, but at least when it breaks, you get to keep both pieces |
| 12:03.41 | cosmo | i'd like to fix a bug in it as a excercise |
| 12:04.28 | cosmo | hm, i've got 2.6.4 in 770 installed.. it's a old version |
| 12:05.06 | inz | then it's most likely mine, the source is at http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/pool/main/x/xchat/ |
| 12:07.26 | cosmo | inz: ok.. it's the one found on repositories |
| 12:07.33 | inz | The source for skyhusker's port isn't publicly available |
| 12:07.36 | eugene | hello |
| 12:07.38 | cosmo | and i haven't found a way to add autojoin channels |
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| 12:10.21 | inz | cosmo, I only did mine because skyhusker hadn't "ported" his to mistral at the time |
| 12:11.10 | inz | cosmo, you're probably way better of using his port: http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/maemo/install/xchat.install |
| 12:11.12 | cosmo | there is patch for 2.8.0 available http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/maemo/patches/maemo-xchat-bora1.diff |
| 12:11.49 | inz | true, there is nowadays |
| 12:12.16 | inz | dunno if it's the same as used for the 2.8.2 |
| 12:12.33 | inz | actually it is not, it has more patches |
| 12:16.35 | Enok | How to get rid of broken zsh install on n800, both apt install and remove hang |
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| 12:17.55 | inz | Enok, remove /var/lib/dpkg/info/zsh.*rm |
| 12:18.38 | Veggen | (side note: I'd love to have zsh on the n800) |
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| 12:20.11 | alterego | Well, just ordered an N800 :) |
| 12:21.52 | alterego | So, I remember hearing about a Ruby Hildon binding. Is this true? |
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| 12:24.18 | Enok | Hmm didn't help |
| 12:26.14 | Enok | Sorry it did help! |
| 12:26.22 | Enok | Thanks |
| 12:27.42 | inz | Enok, thanks for reminding me (goes off to remove the package from repo) |
| 12:30.14 | cbx33 | dude you guys rock! |
| 12:30.38 | cbx33 | I'm an Ubuntu with a little time to help out. What can I do |
| 12:30.49 | cbx33 | I'm also a python coder |
| 12:34.03 | cbx33 | an Ubuntu dev and MOTU |
| 12:34.19 | cbx33 | sorry trying to learn dvorak |
| 12:35.17 | Robot101 | cd |
| 12:35.26 | inz | Robot101, EWINDOW |
| 12:35.35 | Robot101 | yeah, focus was sluggish |
| 12:35.46 | inz | *grumble* curses web site spammers *grumble* |
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| 12:36.27 | alterego | Hmmm. |
| 12:36.42 | inz | Fortunately wordpress can handle spam quite well, can't say the same about trac... |
| 12:36.43 | alterego | So, would I piss off google if I worked on a Ruby binding for Maemo? |
| 12:37.26 | alterego | It's all very well this S. o. Code thing. But this means I have to wait until the end of the summer for something I could probably knock together myself pretty quickly. |
| 12:38.24 | Jaffa | alterego: is it "permitted" to assist the existing project? |
| 12:38.35 | alterego | I don't know. |
| 12:38.50 | alterego | Also, as far as I know the project hasn't even started yet. |
| 12:40.15 | alterego | It's actually been about 2 years since I did any hacking in maemo. So I'm a bit out of date and touch. |
| 12:40.17 | suihkulokki | alterego: I don't think google cares, but your mentor might |
| 12:40.28 | alterego | My mentor? I don't have a mentor. |
| 12:40.54 | alterego | I'm not part of SoC. I'm talking about high jacking the project. :) |
| 12:41.26 | suihkulokki | ah, theyll just be happy if you the work for them =) |
| 12:41.39 | alterego | Right, well I might get started then ;) |
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| 12:42.41 | zuh | I doubt there is any real reason to hold back. Duplicated work is just stupid, not illegal ;) |
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| 12:43.19 | alterego | Right |
| 12:43.19 | zuh | Well, actually I guess the competition would only do good in this kind of situations |
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| 12:47.22 | Jaffa | zuh: well, it's no good if apps get written to one set of Ruby/Hildon bindings and then that goes away in favour of a different set of bindings. |
| 12:48.10 | alterego | cbx33, eh? |
| 12:48.14 | alterego | I SEE YOU! |
| 12:48.54 | cbx33 | WOOHOO |
| 12:49.39 | cbx33 | people seem so busy in here |
| 12:49.49 | cbx33 | :p |
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| 12:54.21 | cbx33 | does anyone else have probloems using the application installer with a proxy? |
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| 12:58.59 | inz | cbx, don't have a proxied network available, so cannot check :( |
| 12:59.08 | Jaffa | cbx33: No, it should work with the system proxy. apt-get in xterm respects http_proxy, of course. |
| 12:59.26 | colinl | hey there |
| 13:00.06 | colinl | would anyone here with an n800 have a few minutes to (in)validate packages and a .install file ? I'm trying to set up scratchbox and a repository for Claws Mail |
| 13:00.21 | colinl | I'd like a quick test from someone who has the hardware |
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| 13:02.40 | inz | colinl, whats wrong with the official repo? |
| 13:03.19 | colinl | inz: it's not done by me :) I should receive an n800 soonish, and will take over package maintainance |
| 13:03.28 | inz | ahh |
| 13:03.29 | colinl | so I'd like to see if my procedure is ok :) |
| 13:03.38 | inz | sure, just pass a link |
| 13:03.46 | colinl | http://colino.net/maemo/ |
| 13:04.07 | colinl | http://colino.net/maemo/claws-mail.install should be enough for it to work if I did no mistakes... |
| 13:04.09 | inz | I'll remove the "old" one first |
| 13:04.20 | colinl | inz: thanks :) |
| 13:05.18 | inz | at least the file type for the .install file is wrong |
| 13:05.22 | inz | it just opens it in browser |
| 13:05.55 | cbx33 | Jaffa, heheh if i could get xterm |
| 13:06.34 | cbx33 | does the app manager use apt? |
| 13:06.45 | colinl | inz: hhm right, thanks :) |
| 13:06.50 | colinl | fixing it... |
| 13:06.58 | cbx33 | using apt won't affect app manager right? |
| 13:07.19 | inz | colinl, and your repo is broken too |
| 13:07.57 | inz | colinl, you should either have a "binary-armel" dir under the "user" dir, where the Packages.gz lies |
| 13:08.25 | inz | colinl, or you should make the repo line http://colino.net/maemo/dists/bora/user/ ./ |
| 13:09.47 | colinl | uhm right, thanks :) |
| 13:09.52 | colinl | fixed. Care to try again? |
| 13:11.18 | inz | colinl, now the packages file is wrong |
| 13:11.33 | disq | colinl: of course one could the maemo garage repository |
| 13:11.58 | inz | if you're using <url> <distribution> <section> -format, the urls in the packages must be relative to the <url> |
| 13:12.02 | disq | recently ferenc fixed the docman filetypes so adding .install files as documents in garage projects now work in opera |
| 13:12.20 | colinl | inz: ah, fixing that :) |
| 13:12.37 | inz | colinl, i.e. in this case, the Packages.gz should say dists/bora/user/binary-armel/claws-mail..._armel.deb |
| 13:13.27 | inz | colinl, I, personally, use reprepro to handle maemo-hackers.org apt repository |
| 13:13.50 | inz | colinl, it takes care of most things for me, I just upload package to a dir and a cron job collects if and puts into place |
| 13:14.00 | inz | s/if/it/ |
| 13:14.09 | inz | grr |
| 13:16.08 | colinl | :) |
| 13:16.20 | inz | /brick infobot |
| 13:17.50 | inz | if it supported 5blrt, that'd be cool |
| 13:17.58 | colinl | inz: fixed the Packages.gz |
| 13:18.32 | inz | colinl, downloading... |
| 13:18.41 | inz | colinl, you need (way) more bandwidth than that ;) |
| 13:18.47 | colinl | inz: yeah :) |
| 13:19.01 | colinl | it won't stay there... but I don't want to break the official one with my tests |
| 13:19.16 | inz | Foolish, I say, foolish |
| 13:19.19 | inz | ...not! |
| 13:19.27 | colinl | :) |
| 13:20.04 | inz | starts up and sees my mail at least |
| 13:20.20 | colinl | inz: great! many thanks for the test :) |
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| 13:23.25 | Jaffa | cbx33: App Mgr is just a user "friendly" front end to apt |
| 13:26.45 | cbx33 | ok thought so |
| 13:26.50 | cbx33 | thanks |
| 13:26.53 | Jaffa | Yay, productive user-focused discussion on maemo-developers :-) |
| 13:27.32 | cbx33 | Jaffa have we met before? |
| 13:28.15 | inz | Jaffa, yay, irony from a techie! |
| 13:28.34 | cbx33 | thats almost unheard of |
| 13:28.36 | cbx33 | heheheh |
| 13:29.21 | alterego | Does Minimo use XULRunner? |
| 13:30.15 | alterego | I'd love to see XUL/Maemo .. That'd be awesome. |
| 13:30.24 | alterego | Maybe I'll work on that,. |
| 13:30.55 | timeless | as of mar it definitely wasn't by default |
| 13:31.43 | Jaffa | inz: ;-p |
| 13:32.19 | Jaffa | alterego: XUL/Maemo would be very cool - simple XUL apps written in JS would rock. |
| 13:32.48 | timeless | jaffa: unfortunately, cairo on n800 is slow |
| 13:32.55 | timeless | so some people won't be happy w/ it |
| 13:33.14 | alterego | XULRunner uses Cairo? |
| 13:33.14 | Jaffa | I thought there were some good optimisations there? |
| 13:33.28 | timeless | modern geckos do, yes |
| 13:33.36 | timeless | jaffa: ? |
| 13:33.49 | timeless | i certainly haven't heard of any embedders happy w/ cairo |
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| 13:34.08 | alterego | Yeah, it was all the FP |
| 13:34.09 | timeless | i have heard someone complaining about cairo/embedded devices this morning |
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| 13:34.24 | timeless | lardman: would you rather 32-bit chars? |
| 13:34.33 | suihkulokki | add cairo - instant lag |
| 13:34.38 | alterego | I do seem to remember an effort of embedding Cairo though, quite a while ago mind. |
| 13:34.52 | lardman | timeless: No, 8bit is fine by me :) |
| 13:35.00 | timeless | lardman: personally i'd rather 7bit |
| 13:35.10 | alterego | I thought that was why Nokia decided on Gtk1.6 or whatever, as it was pre Cairo. |
| 13:35.12 | timeless | i think i could probably get by with 5 or 6 :) |
| 13:35.27 | colinl | alterego: 1.6? :) |
| 13:35.44 | alterego | 2.6 sorry ;) |
| 13:36.26 | timeless | silly cairo developers claim cairo is not slow |
| 13:36.31 | alterego | I don't like this maemo downloads section. |
| 13:36.33 | timeless | all the users complain cairo is slow |
| 13:36.42 | alterego | Half the projects are rubbish anyhow. |
| 13:37.02 | Daniellion | I would be happy with updated flash engine on the 770 |
| 13:37.26 | timeless | </|dream> |
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| 13:41.16 | inz | timeless, pipe dream as in "nearly impossible to achieve" or as in "outcome would never reach initial expectations"? |
| 13:44.43 | cbx33 | Hey OgMaciel |
| 13:44.57 | OgMaciel | hey cbx33! good morning |
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| 13:45.03 | trevarthan | disq: BTW, the Last.FM support has been merged: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/changeset/130 |
| 13:45.06 | trevarthan | Sorry I couldn't let you know sooner. My ISP lost a router or something in the electrical storm last night. My town's internet just came back up a few hours ago. :) |
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| 13:46.31 | disq | :) |
| 13:48.34 | timeless | simply "that won't happen" |
| 13:48.48 | timeless | nokia eol'd 770 support, right? |
| 13:49.04 | disq | maemoscrobbler.py looks clean :P |
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| 13:49.38 | cbx33 | OgMaciel: your blog post made me get a nokia n800 |
| 13:50.20 | cbx33 | heheheh |
| 13:50.22 | disq | interesting, which post? |
| 13:50.22 | dpb_ | timeless: atleast the hacker edition lives |
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| 13:50.52 | timeless | dpb: well, let me know if the hacker edition can run flash9 :) |
| 13:51.07 | dpb_ | sure :) |
| 13:51.10 | timeless | while you're at it, explain how someone who doesn't own an n800 can legal obtain flash9 for his 770 |
| 13:51.16 | cbx33 | on planet ubuntu ;) - used the money i got for writing my chapter of the official ubuntu book |
| 13:51.25 | OgMaciel | cbx33: hehehe... if I only made comission ;) |
| 13:51.33 | dpb_ | no idea on that.. |
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| 13:51.50 | timeless | dpb: thankfully i have a box containing an n800, so i don't have /that/ problem |
| 13:52.03 | dpb_ | I don't have a n800.. |
| 13:52.16 | cbx33 | OgMaciel: you done any python coding on yours yet? |
| 13:52.21 | timeless | you have a 770 running hacker edition? :) |
| 13:52.26 | dpb_ | yup |
| 13:53.11 | OgMaciel | cbx33: I did actually... got my tasks app running in it |
| 13:53.22 | colinl | OgMaciel: about http://www.ogmaciel.com/?p=373 -- do you know whether developers will need to install a new target, or are packages made for Bora OK with this new release? |
| 13:53.46 | OgMaciel | colinl: not too sure but I believe what you said is correct |
| 13:54.11 | colinl | OgMaciel: you mean the second part of my sentence is correct? :) |
| 13:54.24 | OgMaciel | colinl: ya :) |
| 13:54.30 | colinl | ok, thanks |
| 13:54.34 | trevarthan | disq: dude, I love your maemoscrobbler package. That thing is *great*. Last.fm is really cool too. |
| 13:55.01 | cbx33 | OgMaciel: you got a dev environment on your pc? |
| 13:55.14 | trevarthan | dbus is awesome too. :) |
| 13:55.15 | OgMaciel | speaking of maemoscrobbler, which player can I use with it? |
| 13:55.28 | OgMaciel | cbx33: what do you mean? |
| 13:55.29 | inz | colinl, at least all my packages built with 3.0 bora work with the new release |
| 13:55.46 | colinl | inz: ok |
| 13:55.58 | colinl | inz: you mean the repo you just tested, it was with the new release? |
| 13:56.03 | inz | colinl, yes |
| 13:56.16 | colinl | ah, great, so i have my answer -- no extra work required |
| 13:56.22 | colinl | I love that kind of news, thanks:) |
| 13:56.36 | trevarthan | OgMaciel: you can use it with Kagu for one. No .deb yet, but you can download from SVN: `svn co https://www.guardiani.us/svn/kagu/trunk kagu` Requirements are python 2.5 and mplayer. It's written in python, so there is nothing to compile. |
| 13:56.37 | cbx33 | OgMaciel: how did you test/develop your port |
| 13:56.39 | inz | colinl, and personally I'd suggest against updating your rootstrap, to keep compatibility with older releases |
| 13:57.00 | colinl | yes, that's what I wanted |
| 13:57.07 | colinl | keep the oldest thing possible |
| 13:57.08 | colinl | :) |
| 13:57.26 | inz | colinl, I build my packages with the original mistral rootstrap and the original bora rootstrap |
| 13:57.47 | inz | colinl, that way mistral, gregale and scirocco are supported, as are all bora revisions |
| 13:57.55 | disq | trevarthan: i'll add view queue / view history dialogs to the cp applet someday. and of course mistral support, currently it won't load because there's no libconic |
| 13:58.00 | OgMaciel | cbx33: I didn't do anything fancy really... copied the code over and to tell you the truth it just worked ;) |
| 13:58.12 | cbx33 | WOW |
| 13:58.21 | OgMaciel | trevarthan: niiiice... thanks |
| 13:58.25 | disq | trevarthan: btw what would be great in kano is another view with history of the songs that were just played |
| 13:58.27 | colinl | inz: that's what I plan to do :) I'm currently running my build script on the mistral rootstrap. In a few minutes I should be able to bother an n770 user with a test :) |
| 13:58.32 | cbx33 | installed python from the maemo site? |
| 13:58.53 | OgMaciel | cbx33: I used the script that lets you install WordPy |
| 13:58.56 | cbx33 | how fast is python on it? |
| 13:59.24 | OgMaciel | cbx33: I didn't see any speed improvements... but then again, I'm no expert on the matter |
| 13:59.25 | cbx33 | WoydPy? |
| 13:59.43 | inz | colinl, I'd be happy to help ;) |
| 13:59.43 | disq | OgMaciel: canola's next release will probably include support for maemoscrobbler, though not sure when that might be :) |
| 14:00.00 | trevarthan | OgMaciel: once you've got it checked out, cd into the kagu dir, then run ./kagu-scanner.py to generate the id3 database. Finally, run ./kagu.py to run the app. |
| 14:00.41 | k-s[WORK] | disq: next canola will not happen so soon, however we plan to release it with python bindings and you will be able to add audio scroobbler support even if we don't do |
| 14:00.57 | trevarthan | disq: I agree. I need volume and song seek views too. And I need to roll a deb. :( so little time. |
| 14:01.22 | OgMaciel | cbx33: so you can write blog posts |
| 14:01.36 | disq | k-s[WORK]: cool, bindings would be much better |
| 14:01.37 | OgMaciel | disq: hummm... I already have it installed and it is pretty cool |
| 14:01.52 | OgMaciel | trevarthan: awsome... does it use sqlite? |
| 14:02.03 | trevarthan | yes |
| 14:02.08 | disq | OgMaciel: MyDocs/.sounds/kagu.db :) |
| 14:02.16 | k-s[WORK] | disq: actually, we hope for canola to be all in python |
| 14:02.28 | trevarthan | or /media/mmc1/kagu.db, depending. |
| 14:02.55 | OgMaciel | k-s[WORK]: niiiice |
| 14:02.58 | disq | k-s[WORK]: i want canola to be open sourced, that's all i really want :P |
| 14:03.22 | OgMaciel | trevarthan: have you tested it against sqlite 3.4 by any chance? |
| 14:03.29 | k-s[WORK] | disq: me too, believe me |
| 14:03.42 | trevarthan | OgMaciel: it works with the sqlite3 that comes with python 2.5. |
| 14:03.43 | k-s[WORK] | I like to build infrastructure, not implementing minor wishlists |
| 14:03.53 | k-s[WORK] | I really really want you to make those :-) |
| 14:03.54 | disq | yep |
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| 14:04.16 | k-s[WORK] | (and myself as an oss contributor, do my own wishes without following company roadmaps) |
| 14:05.08 | colinl | *: does someone here with a 770 (OS 2006) have a few minutes to test a repository ? |
| 14:05.19 | inz | sure |
| 14:05.39 | k-s[WORK] | trevarthan: why not help ukmp? |
| 14:05.47 | colinl | inz: ah you have a 770 too? |
| 14:05.59 | trevarthan | k-s[WORK]: have you seen ukmp's code? It's a rat's nest. |
| 14:06.06 | colinl | inz: so, here it is: http://www.colino.net/maemo/ |
| 14:06.10 | eugene | what's the state of kagu |
| 14:06.15 | k-s[WORK] | also, next canola will have its ui based on evas and other libs we call "efl", it's totally open source and public, you can base your work on that |
| 14:06.17 | disq | trevarthan: i'm weak in python and ui areas (it not being gtk and all) but i'm making myself familar with the code |
| 14:06.19 | trevarthan | And besides, konttori doesn't seem too receptive to patches. |
| 14:06.42 | k-s[WORK] | trevarthan: so, maybe you can try EFL? |
| 14:06.46 | inz | colinl, yay, the .install file is with correct mime type now ;) |
| 14:06.49 | k-s[WORK] | trevarthan: have you seen my demo? |
| 14:06.53 | colinl | inz: yes :) |
| 14:07.06 | disq | konttori is receptive to patches in my experience, i think he's just a little preoccupied |
| 14:07.07 | k-s[WORK] | I'm writing a new demo, a virtual keyboard that is usable at least |
| 14:07.07 | trevarthan | k-s[WORK]: or maybe I can continue working on kagu. I'm already committed to it at this point. |
| 14:07.50 | disq | also, imho ukmp is not the best infrastructure to develop on, the code is not simple and nice |
| 14:08.58 | trevarthan | k-s[WORK]: alright, I'll bite. What is EFL and where can I see this demo? |
| 14:09.45 | inz | colinl, just a sec, my 770 seems to be somewhat messed up |
| 14:09.53 | colinl | sure |
| 14:09.58 | k-s[WORK] | trevarthan: EFL stands for "Enlightenment Foundation Libraries", Enlightenment is a window manager built with performance and cute graphics in mind |
| 14:10.13 | eugene | k-s[WORK]: any support for chinese fonts in canola? |
| 14:10.14 | trevarthan | disq: I actually want to make a GTK ui for ukmp-scanner.py. I need a progress bar and an iterface for changing which paths to scan. You could help with that if you're good with gtk.... |
| 14:10.23 | k-s[WORK] | trevarthan: Evas is the canvas, really easy and powerful, I have 16bpp engine for n800, optimized |
| 14:10.46 | k-s[WORK] | eugene: just install a font with utf-8 support and it might work, we have already some reports that it works |
| 14:10.50 | disq | trevarthan: i'm good with gtk in C, but i'll dig up some pygtk examples and try |
| 14:10.58 | trevarthan | k-s[WORK]: can you code for Evas and EFL in python? |
| 14:11.05 | eugene | k-s[WORK]: any idea where i can download a chinese font? |
| 14:11.07 | k-s[WORK] | trevarthan: sure, I wrote the bindings :-) |
| 14:11.18 | k-s[WORK] | eugene: no idea, red hat or debian may provide some |
| 14:11.33 | eugene | oh. so it's not from maemo |
| 14:11.37 | trevarthan | disq: check out pymp. Has some nice clean gtk examples we could steal. I'm not looking for complex. Just functional. |
| 14:11.42 | k-s[WORK] | trevarthan: you can get them from their CVS or my binary packages for n800 |
| 14:11.55 | k-s[WORK] | eugene: ttf are not architecture dependant |
| 14:12.13 | k-s[WORK] | eugene: also, neither 770 or n800 has official chinese support, thus no fonts |
| 14:12.16 | trevarthan | k-s[WORK]: easier or harder to use than pygame? |
| 14:12.21 | disq | trevarthan: just a scanning: /path/to/file label and a progress bar? |
| 14:12.24 | eugene | k-s[WORK]: ok |
| 14:12.43 | k-s[WORK] | trevarthan: http://blog.gustavobarbieri.com.br/2007/06/23/edje-demo-on-n800-application-launcher-mockup/ |
| 14:13.07 | trevarthan | disq: just a progress bar would be fine for now. Later we can add the ability to modify which paths get scanned and store that using the prefs.py module. |
| 14:13.12 | k-s[WORK] | trevarthan: it's much easier than pygame, and if you search my blog you'll find that I'm a big pygame fan, with tutorials and so |
| 14:13.45 | trevarthan | k-s[WORK]: well, you got my attention. I'll check it out. |
| 14:14.30 | trevarthan | If I do decide to use Evas + EFL then I'll make at least one release for pygame first. I've invested too much time in it to just throw it all away without a release... |
| 14:14.46 | inz | colinl, now I got it, my app-mgr was in red-pill, that's why it was so damn slow... |
| 14:15.04 | k-s[WORK] | trevarthan: I promise to provide an iphone-like virtual keyboard by the end of this week |
| 14:15.12 | colinl | red-pill is the "do what I want even if it isn't a good idea" mode? |
| 14:15.24 | inz | colinl, yes |
| 14:15.26 | k-s[WORK] | trevarthan: take some time to learn Edje, it will save you a lot of development effort |
| 14:15.27 | colinl | :) |
| 14:15.33 | trevarthan | I need to get my hands on an iphone. I've only seen the adverts on tv. |
| 14:15.35 | colinl | inz: so, the mistral repo is working too? |
| 14:15.46 | inz | colinl, installing... |
| 14:15.50 | colinl | ok :) |
| 14:16.02 | k-s[WORK] | trevarthan: you can ask guys at #e or #edevelop, or ask kenne, andrunko or myself, we're working with it about 1 month |
| 14:16.22 | inz | colinl, the repo is at least ok, the package seems to be too |
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| 14:16.45 | trevarthan | k-s[WORK]: cool. Is it portable like pygame? |
| 14:16.52 | cbx33 | ok...... |
| 14:17.01 | disq | i'm watching a few evas/edje videos on youtube right now |
| 14:17.03 | colinl | inz: many thanks for your time ! now I think I'll just have to wait until the thing shows up in the mail :) |
| 14:17.06 | cbx33 | ahhh I'll ask later |
| 14:17.13 | kenne | trevarthan, im not sure it runs on macos x yet |
| 14:17.15 | k-s[WORK] | trevarthan: yes, it is |
| 14:17.33 | k-s[WORK] | kenne: macosx has X, so it can run it |
| 14:17.48 | kenne | but has it been tested? |
| 14:17.55 | k-s[WORK] | kenne: yes |
| 14:17.57 | kenne | ok |
| 14:18.08 | k-s[WORK] | kenne: and there is one guy, caro, doing the native win32 |
| 14:18.10 | kenne | miguel told me that he couldnt get it working on his mac |
| 14:18.19 | k-s[WORK] | kenne: because miguel is a designer? |
| 14:18.41 | kenne | well... compiling isnt that hard :) and there are lots of hackers around |
| 14:18.53 | k-s[WORK] | trevarthan: evas is much more well designed and complete than pygame.sprite.Group (and sub-classes) |
| 14:20.01 | disq | evas looks nice. now what we need is an app with parallax scrolling :P |
| 14:20.05 | k-s[WORK] | trevarthan: we have a really fast overlapping rectangle elimination, fast operations for scale, fade transparent images (which neither SDL or pygame do) and even colorize (make/tint one image green, for example) |
| 14:20.17 | k-s[WORK] | parallax? |
| 14:20.25 | inz | colinl, and verifying the package works too, downloading mails now |
| 14:20.55 | colinl | inz: ok, perfect! |
| 14:20.57 | disq | yeah. since evas is probably fast enough to handle it :P |
| 14:21.02 | trevarthan | so it supports translucency? |
| 14:21.14 | colinl | now I'm starting to wait for the postman ... |
| 14:21.17 | trevarthan | without hardware support? |
| 14:21.23 | k-s[WORK] | disq: wtf is parallax? |
| 14:21.30 | k-s[WORK] | trevarthan: yes, it does |
| 14:21.34 | alterego | That's weird, what have nvidia got to do with the N800? |
| 14:21.44 | trevarthan | nice. I've been missing that with pygame. |
| 14:21.45 | k-s[WORK] | add my repository and install python-efl-core-demo |
| 14:21.47 | disq | k-s[WORK]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallax_scrolling |
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| 14:22.24 | k-s[WORK] | disq: ah, e17 have a background just like this |
| 14:22.39 | k-s[WORK] | disq: you can just have the layers and make them move on their own speed |
| 14:22.50 | k-s[WORK] | disq: not sure n800 would handle that :-/ |
| 14:22.57 | disq | yeah. and put in widgets in the layers. :P |
| 14:23.18 | k-s[WORK] | ah, also good is to check for etk and etk_test, check for the embedded test |
| 14:23.31 | k-s[WORK] | you can embedded ETK into your app, doing forms when required |
| 14:23.47 | k-s[WORK] | ETK is GTK-like, with objects, signal... it's almost the same API to make transition easy |
| 14:24.05 | eugene | if anyone knows of a repo that i can use to install gcc, g++, make, etc on n800, do let me know |
| 14:24.27 | zuh | ;) |
| 14:24.37 | Fatal | eugene: pardon me, but oh GOD why? :) |
| 14:24.43 | k-s[WORK] | eugene: it would exaust your flash, and I don't know any packages that install packages on MMC |
| 14:24.47 | disq | eugene: google for debian-armel, but it was a .tgz and not a repo. you can extract it in a seperate ext2 partition (on mmc, for instance) and move/symlink the binaries |
| 14:25.16 | k-s[WORK] | eugene: maybe you want to run it inside qemu? |
| 14:25.17 | eugene | k-s[WORK]: that would be tricky. |
| 14:25.33 | eugene | i suspect that scratchbox could be buggy for something i want to do |
| 14:25.38 | disq | k-s[WORK]: if it's not gtk, wouldn't it be problematic to use with the vkb and hildon/maemo modifications? |
| 14:25.46 | eugene | so i'm looking at compiling it natively on the device itself. |
| 14:26.07 | disq | k-s[WORK]: but widgets i meant really simple widgets like a playlist or album list or something like that |
| 14:26.14 | k-s[WORK] | eugene: not qemu like in scratchbox, but boot into Qemu-arm and use the entire system there |
| 14:26.17 | suihkulokki | the debian armel port is way ahead of maemo, ie it has gcc-4.1 and glibc 2.5 |
| 14:26.28 | suihkulokki | so the binaries will not run on vanilla n800 |
| 14:26.33 | k-s[WORK] | vivijim: explain to eugene what you're working on |
| 14:26.42 | eugene | hmm |
| 14:27.02 | eugene | suihkulokki: is there a way to use debian armel and still make sure the binaries work on vanilla n800? |
| 14:27.12 | suihkulokki | compile static binaries? |
| 14:27.29 | disq | chroot into debian-armel and take the static road, yes |
| 14:27.43 | eugene | the end product is actually a kernel module |
| 14:27.57 | eugene | so i guess that isn't much of an issue |
| 14:28.08 | suihkulokki | that will be an issue |
| 14:28.19 | eugene | but, is it possible to make a debian armel qemu guest compile a lkm that i can insmod on n800? |
| 14:28.21 | suihkulokki | you really need to compile the modules with same gcc |
| 14:28.23 | disq | you should be fine with scratchbox (if you have non-qemu emulated instructions/flags, use cpu transparency and compile on the OMAP) |
| 14:28.24 | eugene | or boot to a n800 kernel? |
| 14:28.26 | suihkulokki | -as the kernel |
| 14:28.32 | eugene | well.. |
| 14:28.50 | eugene | suihkulokki: n800 doesn't have gcc in the first place. so i guess you are referring to compiling the modules with the same kernel version? |
| 14:29.19 | eugene | disq: i'm not fine with scratchbox, which is why i am coming up with alternative plans. can't really determine if the bug is with the software or with scratchbox environment. |
| 14:29.26 | eugene | something really weird is happening. |
| 14:29.45 | suihkulokki | eugene: if your end product is a kernel module, you need to use the same gcc version as the kernel was built with |
| 14:29.50 | disq | there's scratchbox2 too, maybe you should ask in maemo-devel |
| 14:29.51 | eugene | suihkulokki: right. |
| 14:30.02 | marciom | eugene, we started a project that puts maemo inside a chroot environment using qemu. I think that's what you want to do |
| 14:30.07 | eugene | suihkulokki: that would be tricky. |
| 14:30.10 | eugene | marciom: tell me more. |
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| 14:30.30 | eugene | marciom: think that's more like setting up a native environment in a virtualized os |
| 14:30.38 | eugene | s/virtualized/emularted/ |
| 14:30.47 | eugene | s/emularted/emulated/ |
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| 14:30.47 | eugene | :) |
| 14:30.55 | suihkulokki | eugene: so cpu transparency (sbrsh) is probably to your rescue, if the issue is due to qemu |
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| 14:31.16 | marciom | eugene, http://osmtc.indt.org/projects/mamona |
| 14:31.22 | disq | eugene: okay, transfer the filesystem to mmc, install -dev debs, and cross compile gcc on scratchbox? mm, that would take a while |
| 14:31.22 | eugene | suihkulokki: i don't really get what you mean |
| 14:31.28 | eugene | marciom: checking it out |
| 14:32.00 | suihkulokki | eugene: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_cpu_trans_bora.html |
| 14:32.05 | eugene | disq: actually, i got the toolchain on scratchbox but i'm observing strange behaviours that i am not sure if it is the problem with the software or scratchbox. looking at other ways to determine who's fault and solve what i am working on |
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| 14:32.17 | eugene | suihkulokki: checking it out |
| 14:32.59 | eugene | suihkulokki: intersting article, thanks |
| 14:33.29 | k-s[WORK] | eugene: marciom and vivijim are working on maemo working fully inside qemu, with ARM kernel and stuff, that will save you a lot of problems |
| 14:33.33 | suihkulokki | eugene: you can skip the usb networking part of the doc if you can commmunicate from your pc to your n800 via wlan |
| 14:33.38 | k-s[WORK] | it's a bit slower, but worth avoiding the pain |
| 14:33.44 | eugene | k-s[WORK]: that sounds awesome. i will try it out |
| 14:33.48 | disq | eugene: the gcc on the scratchbox is for intel so you can't directly move it over to the device. my idea was to compile a newer gcc that would run on armel and the same version as the one in the sb, install the rest of the headers and libraries from the devenv |
| 14:33.50 | eugene | suihkulokki: nod |
| 14:33.58 | eugene | disq: gcc is for armel. |
| 14:34.20 | disq | then i don't see why you are looking for debian-armel packages |
| 14:34.21 | eugene | disq: i have successfully compiled lkms for armel in scratchbox and transferred to n800. |
| 14:34.29 | eugene | disq: for some reasons :) |
| 14:34.37 | disq | okay :P |
| 14:34.59 | eugene | marciom: thanks for the link. this is definitely something i am going to try it out! |
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| 14:35.42 | marciom | eugene, nice. |
| 14:36.21 | marciom | this is only the beginning. We plan to have system emulation too |
| 14:36.26 | eugene | marciom: so maemo on qemu has toolchain tools too? |
| 14:36.40 | marciom | yes |
| 14:36.53 | eugene | marciom: and compiling stuff on it, should work on n800 too? |
| 14:37.08 | marciom | yes |
| 14:37.11 | eugene | marciom: that includes running the same zImage as the one i compiled for n800? |
| 14:37.28 | marciom | nomis, not yet |
| 14:37.32 | marciom | ops |
| 14:37.36 | eugene | nomis? |
| 14:37.37 | marciom | eugene, not yet |
| 14:37.41 | eugene | hmm. |
| 14:37.51 | eugene | what do you mean :) |
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| 14:37.59 | marciom | at the moment only applications run under qemu |
| 14:38.08 | eugene | oh. |
| 14:38.12 | marciom | you can not emulate the kernel |
| 14:38.17 | vivijim | eugene: we don't have a kernel emulation yet... just an user mode emulation |
| 14:38.23 | eugene | ok.... |
| 14:38.51 | marciom | you can do gcc hello.c inside mamona and it will generate an armel binary |
| 14:39.07 | eugene | i see. |
| 14:39.19 | eugene | what kernel version is it using |
| 14:39.25 | vivijim | eugene: and the packages inside mamona aren't from maemo... we are building all mamona packages using OpenEmbedded... |
| 14:39.35 | eugene | oh...... |
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| 14:39.50 | vivijim | eugene: actually no one... it is under user mode emulation yet. |
| 14:40.00 | eugene | so i guess it might not be useful for me.. |
| 14:40.12 | trevarthan | If anyone wants a list of Kagu's features, check here: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/wiki/WikiStart |
| 14:40.29 | trevarthan | I'll flesh that page out over time with some screenshots and such. |
| 14:41.21 | vivijim | eugene: we intend to work on a full emulated system, but there is a lot of work before... |
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| 14:42.21 | eugene | nod. |
| 14:42.36 | eugene | maybe i just give it a try first, and see how it goes. keeping my fingers cross. |
| 14:43.03 | suihkulokki | long term, qemu system emulation is the way to go for application testing. |
| 14:43.11 | etrunko | anyone knows if maemo gtk somehow prevents emission of 'row-activated' GtkTreeView signal? |
| 14:43.17 | suihkulokki | running maemo env in a chroot with qemu-user is just too fragile |
| 14:43.49 | eugene | suihkulokki: nod. |
| 14:44.24 | eugene | interesting |
| 14:45.08 | Jaffa | trevarthan: any pages/screenshots/plans online for kagu? |
| 14:45.08 | marciom | suihkulokki, what do you mean by fragile? |
| 14:47.23 | k-s[WORK] | marciom: it's easy to screw |
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| 14:47.25 | k-s[WORK] | :-P |
| 14:47.58 | etrunko | gtk/gtktreeview.c (!) M58 Double click handling code (in button_press) commented out, should be uncommented |
| 14:48.02 | k-s[WORK] | marciom: just try to compile some modules that check for things qemu-user doesn't cover and bong, you're fucker |
| 14:50.04 | trevarthan | Jaffa: you know, I don't have any screenshots yet. But I really need some. How do I do that in maemo? |
| 14:50.45 | Jaffa | trevarthan: SSH in and use osso-screenshot-tool, or there's a status bar applet which allows you to do it on a timer, IIRC |
| 14:51.50 | timeless | does anyone here know how to fix Xephyr keymap? |
| 14:51.53 | suihkulokki | marciom: well, 1) qemu-user's syscall emulation is incomplete and plays allways catch-up to real kernel 2) you don't have a "booted up" system, you have to start services by hand with different priviledges than usual |
| 14:51.57 | timeless | all of my keys are one letter off |
| 14:52.10 | timeless | if i type: snpiy i get about |
| 14:52.34 | melmoth | etrunko, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1531 |
| 14:52.40 | eugene | melmoth: hi buddy |
| 14:53.13 | melmoth | hi there eugene ! |
| 14:53.20 | melmoth | and hello world. |
| 14:53.52 | etrunko | melmoth: thanks |
| 14:54.46 | trevarthan | kagu? |
| 14:54.47 | _Monkey | somebody said kagu was a complete rewrite of ukmp with a strong focus on object oriented design and a2dp support. You can find it here: http://www.guardiani.us/kagu-dist-20070709.tar.gz |
| 14:54.55 | trevarthan | forget kagu |
| 14:54.55 | _Monkey | trevarthan: I forgot kagu |
| 14:55.38 | disq | trevarthan: the latest build doesn't have .encode('ascii', 'ignore') in kaguscanner? (imageSearch) |
| 14:55.41 | trevarthan | Kagu is a complete rewrite of ukmp with a strong focus on object oriented design and a2dp support. You can find it here: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu |
| 14:55.45 | trevarthan | kagu? |
| 14:55.46 | _Monkey | kagu is a complete rewrite of ukmp with a strong focus on object oriented design and a2dp support. You can find it here: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu |
| 14:56.42 | trevarthan | disq: no, sorry. I haven't merged it yet. |
| 14:56.46 | Jaffa | trevarthan: FEATURES seems to suggest a desire for some iPhone-like eye candy? |
| 14:56.49 | Jaffa | s/eye/UI/ |
| 14:57.00 | trevarthan | Jaffa: indeed |
| 14:57.38 | trevarthan | disq: I'll try to play with the mp3 you sent me tonight. sorry it's taken so long. |
| 14:57.50 | eugene | good night |
| 14:58.43 | trevarthan | a2dp? |
| 14:58.44 | _Monkey | i think a2dp is working here http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages#Bluetooth_ALSA and is good. :) If you want a nice frontend GUI for a2dp after following the instructions on that page, ask me about kagu. |
| 14:59.48 | Jaffa | How long do the batteries last in BT headphones? |
| 15:01.12 | trevarthan | my motorola s9's batteries last about a day, continuous use. |
| 15:01.30 | disq | trevarthan: it's just the scanning that's problematic. and making urllib.urlencode and image.load like utf8 filenames is the best approach, but i don't have any clue on how |
| 15:02.23 | disq | trevarthan: have you noticed stuttering with mplayer when kagu is at the background? happened to me this morning |
| 15:02.32 | trevarthan | Jaffa: listening to them now, actually, using Kagu. And thanks to disq's maemoscrobbler support, you can see what I'm listening to here: http://www.last.fm/user/trevarthan/ |
| 15:04.34 | trevarthan | disq: mplayer might stutter a bit when kagu "spins up" it's draw() loop after key presses and such. Usually that happens after my n800 has been idle for quite a while though. I think it swaps out to disk or something. Haven't noticed sustained stuttering, no. Check memory consumption using `top` and CPU usage and also check to see if mplayer zombies are hanging around. |
| 15:05.12 | disq | zombies. mmm. |
| 15:05.35 | trevarthan | yeah, I think I got em all recently, but if you're still using that version from a few days ago you might still get them. |
| 15:05.46 | trevarthan | process management is difficult, unfortunately. |
| 15:05.54 | disq | no it was last night's snapshot. yeah it is |
| 15:06.08 | trevarthan | do you have zombies? |
| 15:06.12 | disq | i'll opt for gstreamer when it's ready |
| 15:06.25 | disq | no, i didn't have them |
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| 15:06.40 | trevarthan | yeah. I'm going to make gst the default when a2dp is not turned on. |
| 15:07.13 | trevarthan | gst will remove a dep and reduce song start latency, so I'm all for it. |
| 15:07.15 | disq | anyway, i'll take a peek at pymp now |
| 15:07.45 | trevarthan | keep in mind that you've probably already seen a lot of pymp as I stole it's mplayer process management and playlist for use in kagu. |
| 15:07.57 | disq | :) |
| 15:08.16 | trevarthan | I think control.py and pymp.py will be the most interesting for you. |
| 15:08.30 | trevarthan | well, I gotta get some paid work done. Talk to you folks later. |
| 15:09.32 | disq | okay cya |
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| 15:21.26 | alterego | Anyone use mplayer on the N800? |
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| 15:22.40 | chunow | hi |
| 15:23.20 | trevarthan | alterego: I do. :) |
| 15:23.37 | alterego | Does it work well? What sort of performance are you getting? |
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| 15:25.50 | chunow | I've decide to get a tablet |
| 15:25.55 | chunow | *decided |
| 15:26.07 | chunow | and I've reading for a week |
| 15:26.53 | Jaffa | chunow: cool |
| 15:27.07 | chunow | all information about nokia n770/n800 I could find |
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| 15:28.53 | chunow | but I haven't been able to decide if buying a N800 or n770 |
| 15:29.05 | chunow | I mean |
| 15:29.43 | chunow | As i've never have one of them |
| 15:29.49 | chunow | *had |
| 15:30.08 | chunow | sorry for my English, is not my native language :( |
| 15:31.06 | `0660 | alterego, for me it works like a dream |
| 15:31.10 | alterego | chunow, I bought an N800 today. Should arrive in the next couple of days. |
| 15:31.18 | chunow | I've never had one of them, so I'd wonder |
| 15:31.35 | chunow | alterego: great!! |
| 15:31.36 | alterego | I figured the price difference was small and the N800 is superior and most likely more active development now. |
| 15:31.55 | alterego | The 2x memory slots are a great bonus :) |
| 15:32.26 | alterego | It's Bluetooth 2.0 as well the 770 is 1.2 I believe. |
| 15:33.06 | alterego | Appearantly the extra clock cycles make all the difference as well. Not sure about the PowerVR core. Isn't that 3DFX? |
| 15:33.31 | chunow | I haven't read so much :) |
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| 15:34.32 | chunow | my question is because I can get a second hand n700 about at half price than n800 |
| 15:34.35 | dragorn | the powervr core isn't accessible |
| 15:34.48 | chunow | new n800, I mean |
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| 15:35.49 | chunow | and I wonder if improvements really cost that difference |
| 15:38.02 | gla55 | what would you do with another n770 |
| 15:38.19 | gla55 | spread them over the house i suppose |
| 15:38.21 | gla55 | but apart from that |
| 15:39.13 | trevarthan | Jeffa: Got some screenshots up for ya: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/wiki |
| 15:39.29 | chunow | I mainly want it for email, rss, multimedia (audio streaming if possible from a home server) |
| 15:40.17 | trevarthan | s/Jeffa/Jaffa/ |
| 15:40.34 | chunow | gps, web and some office editing |
| 15:40.46 | chunow | openoffice docs |
| 15:40.59 | chunow | or compatible |
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| 15:43.41 | Mikho | How can I include my .glade file in the debian package? I suppose the program needs the file since it reads it runtime |
| 15:45.53 | alterego | I'd like to see Elite on the N800 :) |
| 15:46.01 | alterego | I've not played that in _ages_ |
| 15:46.06 | Mikho | and where should those kind of files go in the unix file system anyway? |
| 15:46.29 | alterego | Mikho, /usr/share/APPNAME |
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| 15:47.56 | trevarthan | alterego: yeah, mplayer works well. why? |
| 15:48.07 | Mikho | so what should I do to makefile.am to make dpkg install the .glade in /usr/share/myapp |
| 15:48.12 | alterego | trevarthan, because I'll install it if it's good :P |
| 15:50.00 | trevarthan | :) yeah, it's good. I usually use the built in media player if I can, but mplayer is better for streaming and odd video formats. |
| 15:50.45 | trevarthan | I feel like a broken record here, but I also use it in kagu for audio playback and A2DP. |
| 15:51.20 | trevarthan | kagu doesn't do video though. just audio |
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| 16:00.51 | trevarthan | disq: is there a way to rate songs through maemoscrobbler? If so, I'll add that to the kagu TTD list. |
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| 16:04.21 | disq | trevarthan: no but let me see if there's such thing in the last.fm protocol |
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| 16:05.09 | Jaffa | trevarthan: looks very nice |
| 16:06.25 | trevarthan | Jaffa: it's very early development phase right now. I've been working on it for a few weeks constantly, so it's fairly stable and usable, but far from complete. |
| 16:06.41 | disq | trevarthan: there's a Love/Ban setting possible, i don't think it's worth the development |
| 16:06.58 | Mikho | how do I define where my application looks for data files during runtime? |
| 16:07.01 | trevarthan | in particular, it has the beginnings of a nice theme system in place, driven by sqlite and an image file, so it can get a lot nicer looking. |
| 16:07.22 | trevarthan | disq: ok. thanks for looking. |
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| 16:17.52 | Mikho | Can anybody help? I found out how to install data files into /usr/share/appname along with package install, but how do I make my app find the data file? The app should be able to find it also when running it in emulator, in which case the data file resides simply in a separate data folder in my project folder |
| 16:21.38 | alterego | What's the version of Maemo used in the N800 OS2007? 3.0 right? |
| 16:21.38 | melmoth | create a symlink manually |
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| 16:25.51 | Jaffa | alterego: 3.2 with the latest firmware. |
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| 16:26.11 | alterego | Cool. |
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| 16:28.23 | pbrook | I just installed the latest update, and wireless seems to have broken even more than it was before. |
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| 16:28.23 | pbrook | The wifi seems to stop responding shortly after sending a packet. With previous releases it stopped responding after 1s, with the new release it stops responding after 200ms. |
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| 16:28.23 | pbrook | Is this a known problem, and any suggestions for fixing it? |
| 16:28.40 | pbrook | ... this is on an n800. |
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| 16:29.40 | suihkulokki | pbrook: what? |
| 16:30.05 | pbrook | Ok, I've installed ssh on my n800. |
| 16:30.26 | pbrook | And have it connected to my wireless network. |
| 16:30.56 | pbrook | When trying to connect from annother machine to the n800, the n800 doesn't respond at all (either to TCP connections ot ICMP pings). |
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| 16:31.44 | pbrook | Except for a very small window (~200ms with the .28 release) after the n800 initiates network activity. |
| 16:32.27 | suihkulokki | pbrook: 1) what access point? latest firmare on the accesspoint? |
| 16:32.28 | pbrook | So, if I do ping -i 0.2, this is sufficient to keep the network connection active". Otherwise the n800 seems to stop talking to the outside world. |
| 16:32.43 | pbrook | I'm using the madwifi drivers in AP mode. |
| 16:32.56 | suihkulokki | pbrook: you can try "iwconfig wlan0 power off" to see if switching of pm helps |
| 16:33.00 | pbrook | However the same thing happens with other access points. |
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| 16:34.39 | suihkulokki | pbrook: perhaps this: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1636 |
| 16:35.22 | pbrook | Yes that looks like the same thing. |
| 16:36.28 | pbrook | Disabling pm sems to do the trick, thanks. |
| 16:37.09 | KaylaKaze | dammit! stupid program won't install 'cause it wants python 2.4 instead of 2.5. grrr |
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| 16:40.30 | adam2 | anyone know what nokia n800 uses for text prediction? |
| 16:40.52 | trevarth1n | KaylaKaze: You trying to install MaemoChron? |
| 16:40.54 | adam2 | i've looked at xkbd and matchbook-keyboard but don't see that feature |
| 16:42.20 | trevarth1n | KaylaKaze: whatever it is, log in as root and use dpkg -f or --force or whatever the option is to ignore dep restrictions. Then edit the python source file of the installed file and point it in the right direction. |
| 16:42.44 | trevarth1n | As far as I know, everything written for python 2.4 works fine with python 2.5. |
| 16:42.58 | trevarth1n | the reverse isn't true, but that isn't the case here. |
| 16:45.11 | jerrell | Anyone here using minimo on an n770 to browse local files ? I get a segfault whenever I try... |
| 16:47.52 | Jaffa | trevarthan: I uninstalled MaemoChron and never re-installed it after it ate all my battery very quickly |
| 16:49.43 | alterego | Has anyone found a maemo compatible debian repository out there yet? |
| 16:50.14 | alterego | Well, an armel N800 debian repository. |
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| 16:51.36 | adam2 | does anyone know anything about the text prediction coding? |
| 16:51.52 | dick-richardson | gnumeric on my n800 won't open xls files since the latest release...what am I missing? |
| 16:52.07 | dick-richardson | gnome-plugins-extra? |
| 16:52.08 | adam2 | is that proprietary or is it a maemo feature |
| 16:52.58 | dick-richardson | opening xls files? I believe it's a gnumeric feature |
| 16:53.20 | disqk | adam2: afaik it is proprietary |
| 16:53.59 | adam2 | disqk: thanks, that's not what i wanted to hear, but thanks |
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| 16:54.36 | trevarth1n | Jaffa: yeah, me too. I like the idea, but man can that thing eat CPU. |
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| 16:55.06 | dick-richardson | Anyone else opening xls files with their n800 and the latest firmware? |
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| 16:59.45 | KaylaKaze | trevarth1n: thanks. It is maemochron |
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| 17:04.13 | KaylaKaze | is there a decent frontend for mplayer? |
| 17:04.52 | trevarth1n | audio or video? |
| 17:05.10 | ericz | in real linux distros, there's gmplayer, but no clue if there's a port for it [doubt it] |
| 17:06.15 | KaylaKaze | gmplayer is the name of the completely worthless frontend that comes with maemo mplayer but it's, as I said, completely worthless |
| 17:06.29 | trevarth1n | for video, there is kmplayer, which is ok. But personally I like the mplayer frontend that comes with mplayer for maemo. It's very simplistic. |
| 17:06.32 | KaylaKaze | trevarth1n: Audio mostly, but video wouldn't hurt |
| 17:06.45 | trevarth1n | well, for audio.... |
| 17:06.47 | trevarth1n | kagu? |
| 17:06.48 | _Monkey | kagu is a complete rewrite of ukmp with a strong focus on object oriented design and a2dp support. You can find it here: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu |
| 17:07.10 | trevarth1n | written in python. :) |
| 17:08.55 | KaylaKaze | the default mplayer front end's major problem is it uses the default file/open window system which is horrible when you're dealing with large shared folders |
| 17:09.30 | dick-richardson | I need to force an install from a repo w/o dependency checking...how do you phrase the apt-get command? |
| 17:09.53 | trevarth1n | yeah, I don't really use large folders of anything with mplayer for video. For audio, I use mplayer and kagu. Seems to work pretty well. |
| 17:10.27 | trevarth1n | dick-richardson: I check `dpkg -h` for the syntax |
| 17:10.47 | trevarth1n | it'll be something like dpkg -i --force or something |
| 17:11.18 | dick-richardson | the problem with dpkg is apt-get won't even let me download the conflicting pkg |
| 17:11.19 | KaylaKaze | I wish I could get canoe to open certain files with certain programs/scripts |
| 17:11.22 | trevarth1n | oh, you have to download the deb manually that way. |
| 17:11.42 | trevarth1n | I wish a lot of things about canola. |
| 17:11.43 | dick-richardson | apt-get isn't letting me |
| 17:11.51 | trevarth1n | dick: use wget |
| 17:12.02 | dick-richardson | I don't know the exact file name |
| 17:12.02 | trevarth1n | and google |
| 17:13.13 | KaylaKaze | not canola, canoe |
| 17:13.36 | KaylaKaze | canola is just even more worthless with shared forlders than the mplayer frontend |
| 17:14.58 | trevarth1n | ah. never noticed canoe before. |
| 17:16.29 | KaylaKaze | even when it tries to open files though, they don't open. I've noticed the same when trying to get somehting to open from a command line: the program will start but it won't open the file told to |
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| 17:19.29 | disq | did you try canola-mplayer and set it up to use mplayer from the configurator? |
| 17:19.40 | KaylaKaze | no |
| 17:19.44 | KaylaKaze | never saw a need to |
| 17:19.54 | disq | canola's shared media browser is the fastest for me |
| 17:20.06 | trevarth1n | huh. didn't even know there was a canola-mplayer. I'm just learning all kinds of stuff today. |
| 17:20.13 | KaylaKaze | the problem with canola isn't how it plays but it won't add shared folders to it's list of local files |
| 17:20.20 | disq | of course there are some shortcuts for example holding the fullscreen button transforms the arrow touchkeys to home and end |
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| 17:20.57 | disq | list of local files? i don't follow |
| 17:21.24 | KaylaKaze | when you start canola, it has local and shared sections |
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| 17:21.32 | KaylaKaze | shared is for UPnP shares |
| 17:21.47 | KaylaKaze | local is for files on the 770 and MC |
| 17:22.08 | KaylaKaze | you can configure which folders it scans for "local" in the configuration |
| 17:22.40 | KaylaKaze | but when I add the mounted shares, it either ignores them or screws up 'cause it still shows my list as emptyh |
| 17:24.01 | KaylaKaze | what I should do is make a webpage that controls winamp and have it output a shoutcast stream so I can have full access to my mp3s from any wifi point |
| 17:24.27 | gla55 | winamp webinterface exists already |
| 17:24.35 | gla55 | works wonderfully from 770 |
| 17:24.42 | trevarthan | or you could just install gnump3d or some similar mp3 streaming app. |
| 17:25.06 | trevarthan | I use gnump3d and like it. Has downsampling too. |
| 17:25.06 | KaylaKaze | yeah, but I've never seen one with all that much control options |
| 17:25.28 | trevarthan | nah, it just hands you an mp3. The control is on the application end. |
| 17:25.46 | trevarthan | s/mp3/m3u/ |
| 17:26.35 | KaylaKaze | gnump3d looks good |
| 17:26.52 | disq | KaylaKaze: did you try making the canola rescan after actually mounting the sharedir? |
| 17:27.02 | KaylaKaze | disq: yep |
| 17:27.13 | KaylaKaze | it looked like it was scanning |
| 17:27.28 | KaylaKaze | took a few minutes, then said it was done |
| 17:27.35 | KaylaKaze | but still nothing on my local files |
| 17:27.43 | disq | and the mount destination was in the dirs-to-scan thingy in webconfig, right |
| 17:27.50 | trevarthan | I could never get a single upnp file to play in canola. It could see them, but that was it. upnp is garbage without a transcoder. what do they call those? media adapters? |
| 17:27.53 | KaylaKaze | yep |
| 17:28.29 | KaylaKaze | upnp worked fine for me in canola. I just couldn't find a server I liked that didn't crash all the time |
| 17:28.47 | k-s[WORK] | trevarthan: canola just play what is know, if you added support for some media and it's not aware, you have to edit gconf and it will reconsider |
| 17:28.54 | trevarthan | I'm using mythtv's. not sure if it exported my music or not thought. |
| 17:28.57 | disq | i would open a bug in garage.maemo.org/projects/canola, just for the sake of completeness |
| 17:29.01 | trevarthan | s/thought/though/ |
| 17:29.05 | disq | maybe there's a workaround etc. |
| 17:29.06 | k-s[WORK] | KaylaKaze: twonky is good |
| 17:29.29 | k-s[WORK] | infobot: mythtv upnp is crap, as is gmediaserver and ushare |
| 17:29.30 | infobot | okay, k-s[WORK] |
| 17:29.31 | disq | on windows, windows media connect works for me |
| 17:29.42 | disq | fuppes worked for me for audio but didn't use it much |
| 17:29.42 | k-s[WORK] | stupid me |
| 17:29.44 | k-s[WORK] | :-P |
| 17:29.46 | trevarthan | lol |
| 17:29.53 | k-s[WORK] | on windows, tversity is good enough |
| 17:30.05 | k-s[WORK] | I've mailed them the problems I found and they fixed |
| 17:30.20 | trevarthan | I tried tversity too. I couldn't get it to transcode on the fly though. garbage. all garbage. |
| 17:30.37 | disq | most of the transcoding solutions are garbage, yes |
| 17:30.38 | k-s[WORK] | gmediaserver and ushare both use libupnp, which is buggy, we've sent some bug fixes, but don't have time to fix all |
| 17:30.43 | KaylaKaze | I liked fuppes but it always crashed |
| 17:30.55 | k-s[WORK] | trevarthan: really? it seems to use ffmpeg and does a great job |
| 17:31.14 | k-s[WORK] | KaylaKaze: which kind of crashes? I use it at home to transcode for ps3 |
| 17:31.17 | KaylaKaze | I'm installing gnump3d now |
| 17:31.25 | disq | and what's with the crappy interfaces :) (think tversity) |
| 17:31.34 | k-s[WORK] | I've heard that mediathomb is good, but never tried |
| 17:33.08 | trevarthan | k-s[WORK]: I dunno, maybe it's because I was using it under vmware, or maybe it's because it was trying to transcode nuppelvideo. But I couldn't even get a picture out of tversity with my n800. |
| 17:33.25 | k-s[WORK] | too bad |
| 17:33.46 | k-s[WORK] | maemo's media player is horrible, maybe you should try our mplayer plugin |
| 17:34.02 | k-s[WORK] | you can define cache and other config with ~/.mplayer/config |
| 17:35.36 | trevarthan | I've become complacent with pre-transcoding my video using a slightly modified 770-encode.pl and just dumping them on my mmc card. Less hassle, and portable. |
| 17:37.09 | trevarthan | One day we'll all be using upnp, but I don't think that day is here yet. |
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| 17:39.28 | KaylaKaze | great. gnump3d's indexing perl script is bad |
| 17:40.30 | trevarthan | you want mine? I remember I patched a few odds and ends. Only took a second... |
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| 17:42.36 | KaylaKaze | how much stuff needed changing? It's saying $file is uninitialized |
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| 17:44.51 | trevarthan | KaylaKaze: which version did you grab? I'm running 2.9.7. You're talking about gnump3d-index, right? |
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| 17:46.22 | dick-richardson | anyone have a good maemo-mapper url? |
| 17:46.38 | KaylaKaze | foudn some web pages on it |
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| 17:46.46 | KaylaKaze | yep |
| 17:46.53 | KaylaKaze | I got whatever the newest is |
| 17:48.37 | cesman | 1.47 |
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| 17:50.28 | KaylaKaze | wow! some of these errors are so blatant! |
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| 18:01.30 | KaylaKaze | I don't know what this program is doing but it's using every bit of cpu it can get |
| 18:13.49 | KaylaKaze | ah... it was rescanning... now if I could just get it to run as a subdiectory of my apache server instead of as an entirely separate server, I'd be all set |
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| 18:18.15 | alterego | Are there any binaries available for wireless-tools? I can't find them anywhere .. |
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| 18:42.58 | alterego | The N800 can go up to 400Mhz? |
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| 18:45.10 | Abulafia | how do you oc the n800? |
| 18:47.22 | gla55_ | i'm not aware of any tools for that |
| 18:49.30 | alterego | Appearantly you can with CPUFreq |
| 18:49.40 | gla55_ | does it work? |
| 18:49.42 | gla55_ | really? |
| 18:49.46 | alterego | At least, I think you might be able to. |
| 18:50.09 | gla55_ | it's in the region of things i wouldn't say you can without actually trying it out |
| 18:50.19 | gla55_ | "you could use the 3d chip" too |
| 18:50.24 | alterego | There are issues with CPUFreq and the N800. But there was a case study using the N800 for better power management and the chip is supposed to be running at 400Mhz. |
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| 18:50.49 | alterego | I'd love to use the video chip. But is it even wired up to the screen? :D |
| 18:52.53 | Abulafia | heh |
| 18:53.20 | alterego | For instance, there's a TV Out on the chip too .. |
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| 18:53.41 | gla55_ | tvout is wonderful on n95 |
| 18:53.44 | alterego | I wonder whether that has something to do with the "Nokia AV 3.5mm jack" |
| 18:54.01 | gla55_ | nokia av jack is like the av jack on video ipods |
| 18:54.08 | gla55_ | havent actually measured if they're totally identical |
| 18:54.15 | alterego | Eh? |
| 18:54.16 | Abulafia | wonder if it is supposed to be the big future surprise for the n800 |
| 18:54.26 | alterego | Yeah, |
| 18:54.30 | alterego | If there is a suprise :P |
| 18:54.36 | alterego | The iPhone can't do it ^_^ |
| 18:54.39 | gla55_ | alterego: a 3.5mm phone jack that has extra connecting area |
| 18:54.40 | Abulafia | suprise, no suprise! |
| 18:54.57 | alterego | Heh |
| 18:55.19 | Abulafia | tho between video and mesh wireless.... |
| 18:55.21 | alterego | gla55_, right. I get that. But is it wired up properly?! :) |
| 18:55.28 | Abulafia | ill take the wireless :-) |
| 18:55.39 | alterego | I'd take the PowerVR accelleration |
| 18:55.42 | gla55_ | beats me. would have to open up a n800 to make even guesses |
| 18:55.46 | gla55_ | powervr would be really good |
| 18:55.52 | gla55_ | it's really nice on e90 and n95 |
| 18:56.08 | alterego | Yes, the first thing I'm gonna do when it arrives in the next few days is take the damn thing apart ^_^ |
| 18:56.22 | alterego | I've been thinking of getting an N95 |
| 18:56.48 | Abulafia | http://tabletblog.com/2007/01/nokia-n800-dissection-and-reassembly.html |
| 18:57.01 | Abulafia | been done |
| 18:57.03 | gla55_ | the new firmware for n95 _really_ speeds up the gps fix(new fw has agps) |
| 18:57.08 | gla55_ | makes it much more usable |
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| 18:57.21 | Abulafia | ah powervr. brings back such memories. |
| 18:57.44 | Abulafia | my first 3d card was a matrox m3d. anyone remember those? |
| 18:58.03 | gla55_ | sort of |
| 18:58.07 | gla55_ | i had a voodoo |
| 18:58.08 | Abulafia | it was a supplemental 3d card for 2d cards |
| 18:58.17 | gla55_ | played around a bit with glide too |
| 18:58.28 | gla55_ | with powervr? |
| 18:58.29 | timtimred | anyone see the possible next gen nokia tablet on engadget? |
| 18:58.37 | Abulafia | but it did transfers over the internal bus, not patch cable |
| 18:58.38 | Abulafia | yeah |
| 18:58.45 | Abulafia | it was like 1998 or so |
| 18:58.46 | gla55_ | my bro had a powervr addon card(pci to overlays) |
| 18:59.08 | gla55_ | not matrox but some generic brand though |
| 18:59.39 | Abulafia | same thing |
| 18:59.44 | Abulafia | nice little card |
| 19:00.00 | gla55_ | yeah |
| 19:00.09 | Abulafia | i remember i had one of those isa/pci slots, where there was room enough for one |
| 19:00.17 | gla55_ | voodoos sucked in the respect that you couldnt get windowed.. |
| 19:00.35 | gla55_ | i had a pci dvd decoding card though that was via patch cable that DID windowed |
| 19:00.44 | Abulafia | so i took the slot strip off the m3d and jammed it in to get an extra slot ;-) |
| 19:00.55 | gla55_ | hehe |
| 19:01.00 | gla55_ | could have used a riser too |
| 19:01.11 | Abulafia | the card was so tiny, it didnt matter |
| 19:01.36 | Abulafia | i had it paired to a 8mb millenium |
| 19:01.43 | Abulafia | now that was a nice 2d card |
| 19:05.50 | Luria | wow, nostalgia |
| 19:05.52 | Luria | http://www.computerbase.de/bild/article/69/ |
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| 19:08.09 | cy- | woot flashing the latest firmware |
| 19:08.38 | Luria | bye bye apps |
| 19:09.03 | Luria | flashing firmware = 4 hours of bs |
| 19:09.39 | Veggen | Luria: THat page missed Hercules :) |
| 19:09.49 | Luria | god the package manager sucks. |
| 19:09.54 | Luria | yeah, i noticed |
| 19:10.45 | Luria | you know, more than once in the last few years, having a pci video card around has been handy :-) |
| 19:11.05 | gla55_ | yeah |
| 19:11.10 | gla55_ | some bonk stuff is good to have around |
| 19:11.21 | Luria | most memorably when i got my first pcie motherboard, before my 7800gtx arrived |
| 19:12.11 | Luria | it was wonky tho - i think the bios kept ocing it (even tho i set 33mhz for the bus in bios) |
| 19:12.20 | Luria | many a blue screen |
| 19:12.50 | gla55_ | voodoo was fun to oc |
| 19:12.56 | gla55_ | just settin env in dos |
| 19:14.46 | Luria | good stuff |
| 19:15.36 | Luria | takes me back to the days of aq2 |
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| 19:23.21 | Luria | is there a way to get a value for the current (no pun intended) voltage on the n800? |
| 19:23.40 | Luria | for the battery |
| 19:28.13 | alterego | Should be in the /sys/class dir somewhere. |
| 19:28.24 | alterego | Usually under battery. |
| 19:28.30 | Luria | thanks |
| 19:28.52 | alterego | It's relative to min_voltage and max_voltage |
| 19:29.00 | alterego | Located in the same directory |
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| 19:38.55 | KaylaKaze | This gnump3d is great except downsampling gives bad audio :-( |
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| 19:40.10 | metatron | is there anything on the n800 that handles wma streams correctly? |
| 19:40.12 | sickguy | Hi I'm a new N770 user, welcome myself to the channel |
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| 19:40.36 | metatron | ive found that if the playlist has two stream elements, only the first plays |
| 19:42.01 | sickguy | Anyone know what's the best way to play Youtube? I followed the 1024k.de link but I couldn't add the bookmarklet to the Opera browser as the javascript is too long |
| 19:43.39 | sickguy | the link is at http://1024k.de/bookmarklets/video-bookmarklets.html |
| 19:43.42 | sickguy | anyone please? |
| 19:45.11 | cesman | sickguy: perhaps uktube.... |
| 19:45.28 | sickguy | uktube? is it an app for N770? |
| 19:45.33 | cesman | I've not used it myself, but that maybe your best bet |
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| 19:47.09 | sickguy | oh I think they're talking about the apps to play youtube file, I already have mplayer |
| 19:47.44 | sickguy | but my problem is not able to save the youtube file as .flv , not playing them after saving the files |
| 19:50.35 | cesman | sickguy: when seeking help. I suggest you learn how to ask the right question |
| 19:50.58 | cesman | first you asked about playing, then I gave a suggestion... |
| 19:51.09 | sickguy | My question is: How do you go to a youtube page, and save the video as .flv file so that you can play it with mplayer or uktube |
| 19:51.10 | cesman | now you have to save the file not play it.... |
| 19:52.10 | sickguy | sorry for the confusion, I asked " I followed the 1024k.de link but I couldn't add the bookmarklet to the Opera browser as the javascript is too long" |
| 19:54.24 | sickguy | but thanks for your suggestion anyway, now I know that's an uktube besides mplayer :) |
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| 19:59.15 | sickguy | any more suggestions? anyone playing youtube with the N770? |
| 20:01.27 | Luria | it barely plays on the n800 with the firmware update... good luck |
| 20:02.15 | sickguy | even after saving the videos as .flv files? |
| 20:02.52 | sickguy | arrgh... I bought the N770 thinking it can play youtube. |
| 20:02.55 | Luria | no, flvs play "offline" |
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| 20:04.14 | sickguy | Yes, I just want to be able to save Youtube video as .flv files and play offline, I thought it's doable |
| 20:04.41 | KaylaKaze | are you able to save the flvs in the first place? |
| 20:04.42 | nate12o6 | does anyong know what the current url is for google maps on Maemo Mapper? |
| 20:05.07 | KaylaKaze | url for what part? I got some good URLs from the ITT forum |
| 20:05.11 | suihkulokki | sickguy: http://www.arrakis.es/~rggi3/youtube-dl/ |
| 20:05.28 | nate12o6 | the url that must be put in so that it can download the maps |
| 20:05.44 | sickguy | no, I can't save flvs now. that's my main problem now, i haven't tried playing flvs yet |
| 20:06.03 | suihkulokki | sickguy: or just google for "youtube downloader" |
| 20:06.27 | Luria | have you tried uktube? |
| 20:06.50 | Luria | http://maemo.org/midcom-permalink-93c62ca21fd911dc99eb61fbc5cc9c7f9c7f |
| 20:07.06 | nate12o6 | KaylaKaze do you know of any urls that work? |
| 20:07.07 | sickguy | no i haven't tried uktube or mplayer yet, cuz I still can't save FLVs from youtube |
| 20:07.36 | nate12o6 | when i go to http://kh.google.com/kh?n=404&v=6&t=%s it says page not found |
| 20:07.55 | sickguy | Thanks suih i will try to look it up. |
| 20:07.57 | mazzen | sickguy: you could try http://keepvid.com/ |
| 20:09.16 | sickguy | I heard of keepvids, but I think this link is better but I just can't get it to work. |
| 20:09.21 | sickguy | http://1024k.de/bookmarklets/video-bookmarklets.html |
| 20:10.11 | sickguy | you're just supposed to bookmark the javascript, and run it on a youtube page and it'll ask you to save the flv file |
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| 20:11.02 | sickguy | but the problem is when I try to save the javascript as bookmark, the script is too long and gets truncated so it won't work on the default opera browser in N770 |
| 20:13.13 | nate12o6 | has anyone tried to get the videos at m.youtube.com to work on the 770? |
| 20:13.18 | nate12o6 | by using mplayer |
| 20:15.51 | KaylaKaze | I'm trying to use that python youtube downloader but I gt a "no module named getpass" error :-( |
| 20:16.37 | KaylaKaze | nate12o6: check the internettablettalk site forums. There's a thread there with tons of map links for maemo mapper |
| 20:17.55 | nate12o6 | KaylaKaze i just read through abou 50 pages of maemo mapper threads. can you direct me towards one? |
| 20:18.13 | ||cw | anyone figure out offline routing for mapper yet? |
| 20:18.43 | Luria | warez navicore (j/k) |
| 20:19.02 | ||cw | nate12o6: you don't "go to" kh.... it's actualy kh1 or kh2 and so on, mapper knows this and will add it |
| 20:19.28 | KaylaKaze | thread 3514 on itt |
| 20:19.53 | lmoura | KaylaKaze, what python version are you using? |
| 20:19.55 | KaylaKaze | ||cw I think mine works offline for my area |
| 20:19.58 | KaylaKaze | 2.5 |
| 20:20.41 | nate12o6 | KaylaKaze thanks |
| 20:20.58 | ||cw | KaylaKaze: I only have a download option |
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| 20:21.20 | nate12o6 | so no dice on getting the mobile version of youtube to work? |
| 20:21.32 | lmoura | KaylaKaze, you need the python-dev package |
| 20:21.50 | ||cw | nate12o6: um, v=17, not 6, i think |
| 20:21.51 | mazzen | sickguy: hm... as i said above, the jslink for keepvid is shorter: javascript:document.location='http://keepvid.com/?url='+escape(window.location); but what kind of flash player do you have installed to play youtube files on the 770? |
| 20:21.59 | lmoura | KaylaKaze, http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/manual_installation.html |
| 20:22.11 | ||cw | nate12o6: go to maps.google.com and rightclick and image, properties, see what the URL is |
| 20:22.21 | lmoura | KaylaKaze, there's a section in the bottom of the page about python-dev |
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| 20:22.52 | KaylaKaze | well, I found a webpage that does the downloading so no problem |
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| 20:23.12 | _Shurik_ | top of the end of the workday to ya all |
| 20:23.36 | lmoura | KaylaKaze, ok |
| 20:23.44 | KaylaKaze | ||cw: to save maps, you go into the map manager |
| 20:24.04 | KaylaKaze | youtubed has big files :-( |
| 20:24.13 | ||cw | KaylaKaze: I know, but he's having problem stealing the URL :) |
| 20:24.46 | KaylaKaze | well, that thread number I gavr has the links I use |
| 20:25.41 | ||cw | it's easier for me to just steal them from google directly |
| 20:25.56 | ||cw | and they do have to be updated every now and then |
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| 20:26.26 | ||cw | I just wish there was a single url for the hybrid view |
| 20:28.32 | KaylaKaze | anyone know what directory the "Documents" folder corresponds to? |
| 20:28.48 | _Shurik_ | ~/MyDocs |
| 20:29.12 | _Shurik_ | or something like that |
| 20:29.18 | Veggen | I find that directory structure quite non-logical. |
| 20:29.19 | Veggen | it |
| 20:29.29 | KaylaKaze | it's not MyDocs |
| 20:29.30 | Veggen | 's ~/MyDocs/.documents |
| 20:29.33 | KaylaKaze | ah,. ok |
| 20:29.37 | KaylaKaze | hidden |
| 20:30.28 | _Shurik_ | well |
| 20:30.50 | _Shurik_ | I store everything on mmc1 anyway so I don't care |
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| 20:31.05 | KaylaKaze | mplayer playing a flv. yay! |
| 20:31.17 | KaylaKaze | good speed too |
| 20:31.42 | nate12o6 | is there any way to have that as a plugin for minimo? |
| 20:31.58 | KaylaKaze | ? |
| 20:32.22 | ||cw | like a port of mplayer-plugin? |
| 20:34.03 | nate12o6 | yea |
| 20:34.20 | nate12o6 | so we dont ahve to jump through hoops to get youtube to play |
| 20:34.31 | Luria | is there a graphical file manager for the n800? |
| 20:34.34 | nate12o6 | would be nice to just be able to browse to youtube.com and click the video |
| 20:34.41 | _Shurik_ | youtube plays just fine in opera |
| 20:34.48 | _Shurik_ | Luria: what is that? |
| 20:34.48 | _Monkey | i guess that is a sign of good news |
| 20:35.01 | nate12o6 | _Shurik_ opera on the 770? |
| 20:35.18 | Luria | i mean a replacement for the stock file manager |
| 20:35.36 | _Shurik_ | yes. Xterm |
| 20:35.39 | Luria | something that knows how to say, copy a file |
| 20:35.45 | KaylaKaze | eeek mplayer screwed up and I can't kill it |
| 20:35.50 | _Shurik_ | stock doesn't know how to copy? |
| 20:35.56 | KaylaKaze | luria: canoe should work |
| 20:36.13 | Luria | it only moves |
| 20:36.28 | Luria | kaylakaze: thank you |
| 20:36.46 | _Shurik_ | you can Copy and then paste... |
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| 20:37.10 | cbx33 | ping OgMaciel |
| 20:37.42 | cbx33 | to get XTerm I guess I just goto the maemo site, click on term and it installs right??? |
| 20:38.06 | _Shurik_ | cbx33: let me know if you find the way, I still can't for some reason :) |
| 20:38.17 | cbx33 | oh? |
| 20:38.25 | cbx33 | from what I saw it adds the maemo repo |
| 20:38.28 | cbx33 | and then apt-get's it |
| 20:38.33 | cbx33 | am I right guys? |
| 20:38.34 | OgMaciel | cbx33: pong |
| 20:38.40 | _Shurik_ | I must be doing something wrong then |
| 20:38.48 | cbx33 | oh and another thing....if I screw everything upo....will a reflash get it all back |
| 20:38.49 | cbx33 | ?? |
| 20:39.03 | _Shurik_ | I can't get libncurses to instal |
| 20:39.04 | cbx33 | OgMaciel you insatlled from the maemo repos? |
| 20:39.27 | OgMaciel | cbx33: yup |
| 20:39.42 | cbx33 | and they're good? |
| 20:40.16 | _Shurik_ | no worries, just buy another one :) |
| 20:40.27 | cbx33 | HAHAH |
| 20:40.35 | Luria | and send me the dead one ;-) |
| 20:40.36 | cbx33 | i guess a reflash will fix it |
| 20:40.40 | timtimred | and if you deaden it one question remains; will it blend? |
| 20:40.49 | Veggen | I haven |
| 20:40.56 | Luria | nope. just iphones. |
| 20:40.59 | OgMaciel | cbx33: live big dude ;) |
| 20:41.04 | _Shurik_ | hehe |
| 20:41.12 | _Shurik_ | well, just wait for n900 |
| 20:41.12 | Veggen | 't heard of a software problem that couldn't be fixed with a reflash? |
| 20:41.30 | cbx33 | OgMaciel dude I bnonught this |
| 20:41.35 | cbx33 | heheh |
| 20:41.35 | cbx33 | loads of cool people get theirs free |
| 20:41.35 | cbx33 | hehe |
| 20:41.35 | Veggen | the n800 is quite good in that regards, no? Quite failsave. |
| 20:41.36 | cbx33 | I had to pay for mine |
| 20:41.37 | Veggen | eh,safe. |
| 20:41.39 | Luria | blenders make pretty soft wares. |
| 20:41.40 | cbx33 | I DO NOT wanna mess up |
| 20:41.50 | cbx33 | cool |
| 20:41.55 | cbx33 | I'll install terminal now then |
| 20:42.00 | Luria | yikes lag |
| 20:42.08 | cbx33 | from the maemo site right |
| 20:42.11 | _Shurik_ | cbx33: let me know |
| 20:42.11 | cbx33 | hehehe |
| 20:42.13 | cbx33 | ok |
| 20:42.27 | _Shurik_ | I just didn't have enough time to mess with it |
| 20:42.37 | tigert | http://www.evilmadscientist.com/article.php/cnctoast |
| 20:43.03 | cbx33 | bbl |
| 20:43.08 | Luria | a canoe is perfect |
| 20:43.15 | disq | mmm. the garage is out of free space |
| 20:43.18 | cbx33 | osso xterm? |
| 20:43.21 | Luria | just what i needed |
| 20:43.40 | _Shurik_ | Luria: how come stock couldn't do copy/paste? |
| 20:43.45 | disq | garage.maemo.org: An error occured in the logger. ERROR: could not extend relation "activity_log": No space left on device HINT: Check free disk space. |
| 20:43.46 | disq | always fun |
| 20:44.27 | cbx33 | is osso xterm the best to use? |
| 20:44.41 | Luria | shurik: i just didnt like the default move, esp across mounted volumes |
| 20:44.43 | trevarthan | disq: and that would be why I'm hosting kagu on my personal server. |
| 20:44.59 | _Shurik_ | Luria: I see |
| 20:45.03 | Luria | shurik: i mean drag= move |
| 20:45.18 | _Shurik_ | ah, okay |
| 20:46.20 | Luria | i also hated the fact that it used the default open dialog style ("Documents") rather than reality ("/MyDocs/.documents") |
| 20:47.17 | _Shurik_ | T - 5 mins |
| 20:47.18 | Luria | if you are using a file manager, you should be able to grasp the concept of... i dunno, files and directories? |
| 20:48.37 | alterego | That PowerVR chip looks funky. |
| 20:48.47 | alterego | 2 million polygons a second. |
| 20:49.08 | _Shurik_ | nice |
| 20:49.13 | alterego | It'd be nice if it worked ^_^ |
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| 20:49.28 | alterego | It'd also be nice if the AV out worked ^_^ |
| 20:49.48 | _Shurik_ | what for? |
| 20:49.59 | alterego | Plugging into a TV of course :P |
| 20:50.15 | _Shurik_ | what if one doesn't own a TV? |
| 20:50.27 | alterego | Then you use the screen on the N800 :P |
| 20:50.34 | _Shurik_ | then we need TV-in |
| 20:50.51 | Luria | has anyone gotten a bluetooth gamepad (if there is such a thing) working? |
| 20:51.00 | _Shurik_ | my friend wanted exactly the same thing, I just think it's a missuse of tablet |
| 20:51.17 | alterego | Well, there's internet streaming :P |
| 20:51.24 | Luria | i think the tablet was designed to be misused :-) |
| 20:51.26 | _Shurik_ | Luria: I was wondering about this myself |
| 20:51.27 | alterego | I'd prefer TV out over TV in |
| 20:51.49 | alterego | The OMAP also doesn't support TV in :P |
| 20:51.57 | _Shurik_ | well, if I wanted to have a media PC I would just get a dedicated one. dunno... |
| 20:51.58 | Luria | tv out, yeah. especially with a bluetooth gamepad. |
| 20:52.04 | Luria | off to google. |
| 20:52.06 | _Shurik_ | tablet is something you browse with while watching tv :) |
| 20:52.12 | alterego | I think I'm going to make it my mission to hack PowerVR and TV out (if connected properly) |
| 20:52.36 | _Shurik_ | usb tv out then is what we need :) |
| 20:53.14 | alterego | Why USB TV out? If the TV out is connected to the headphone Jack as I suspect but could be off :) Then you just need the correct drivers/software/cable. |
| 20:53.26 | alterego | Which is a standard Nokia cable if I'm right. |
| 20:54.18 | _Shurik_ | interesting |
| 20:56.13 | alterego | The reasoning for this suspicion is on the Nokia N800 page they state that there's an "AV 3.5mm jack" which is presumable the same as the N95 et al. So looking at the OMAP datasheet, low-and-behold there's a TV A/D output. |
| 20:56.21 | alterego | So, no proof :) |
| 20:56.36 | alterego | Still worth investigation I think :) |
| 20:57.21 | _Shurik_ | sure |
| 20:57.26 | _Shurik_ | would be interesting to find out |
| 21:01.58 | pupnik_ | morning all |
| 21:02.23 | pupnik_ | still trying to get over the n900 design |
| 21:02.25 | _Shurik_ | evening |
| 21:02.39 | _Shurik_ | yes, somebody needs to get their photoshop skills up |
| 21:02.50 | pupnik_ | shopped? |
| 21:03.18 | pupnik_ | http://www.engadget.com/photos/is-this-the-successor-to-the-nokia-n800/306323 |
| 21:03.24 | _Shurik_ | either that or really nokia just did hey, what would it look like with a keyboard? Gimme some play dough |
| 21:03.56 | pupnik_ | the dimple on the right hand side can be from plastic moulding |
| 21:03.58 | _Shurik_ | so I wouldn't think it's anything really |
| 21:04.06 | pupnik_ | ok |
| 21:04.13 | _Shurik_ | other then a prototype |
| 21:04.31 | _Shurik_ | I'm pretty sure Vista looked even uglier the first couple of years in development :-D |
| 21:04.48 | KaylaKaze | anyone ever figure out how to change what program launches when you execute something? |
| 21:05.21 | _Shurik_ | well I |
| 21:05.28 | _Shurik_ | I'm off to sit in the traffic |
| 21:05.31 | _Shurik_ | cya all! |
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| 21:13.51 | alterego | Well, it's easy to get V4L working. I guess if it's wired it's a no brainer :D |
| 21:15.08 | sickguy | Well, I just came back from lunch, thanks a lot for those who helped! |
| 21:15.55 | sickguy | I will try it after work, Keepvids FLV download and Mplayer |
| 21:18.24 | trevarthan | well, near 5:30 here. I'm headed home. bye all. |
| 21:19.11 | alterego | This is looking very promising. |
| 21:23.57 | Pio | is something wrong with the repository.maemo.org scirocco repo? everything is coming up 404.. |
| 21:24.27 | Pio | same with mistral actually |
| 21:24.48 | Pio | gregale works.. |
| 21:25.36 | cbx33 | so...heheh..I'm back |
| 21:25.45 | cbx33 | do people generally use xterm, or osso term? |
| 21:26.29 | alterego | I think osso-term is better suited for day-to-day use. |
| 21:26.32 | cbx33 | alterego you got V4L working on the N800? |
| 21:26.34 | cbx33 | cool |
| 21:26.35 | alterego | With it's nifty short cuts :) |
| 21:26.36 | cbx33 | I'll get it now |
| 21:26.39 | cbx33 | cool |
| 21:26.42 | cbx33 | I'm gonna install now |
| 21:26.47 | cbx33 | from teh maemo website yeh? |
| 21:26.57 | alterego | maemo-hackers |
| 21:27.19 | cbx33 | yup |
| 21:27.35 | cbx33 | maemo-hackers.org/osso-xterm.install |
| 21:28.15 | cbx33 | can programs be intalled to the memory card? |
| 21:28.20 | alterego | Yes |
| 21:28.27 | cbx33 | oooh how? |
| 21:28.36 | alterego | I believe so, though you might have to play around with the filesystme. |
| 21:28.52 | cbx33 | ahh ok |
| 21:29.07 | alterego | I'm a bit out of touch with the whole internet tablet scene so I can't be sure. It's been a couple of years since I've been here :) |
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| 21:29.14 | cbx33 | wow |
| 21:29.21 | cbx33 | well you seem to be a fountain of knowledge |
| 21:29.22 | cbx33 | thanks |
| 21:29.25 | alterego | I'm trying desperately to catch up ^_^ |
| 21:29.27 | cbx33 | I now have a terminal....I'm happy |
| 21:29.31 | cbx33 | cool |
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| 21:31.56 | guardian | what's the benefit of upgrading my 3.1 sdk ? now that 3.2 is released ? |
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| 21:32.06 | guardian | is there any reason doing it ? |
| 21:32.14 | alterego | It's more up-to-date? |
| 21:32.15 | guardian | since 3.2 is supposed to be fully 3.x compatible |
| 21:32.35 | alterego | Check the changelog. |
| 21:32.43 | alterego | Then decide whether it's worth it. |
| 21:33.09 | cbx33 | is repository.maemo.org ok to install from? |
| 21:33.13 | cbx33 | it has python ? |
| 21:34.14 | theril | repository.maemo.org is ok |
| 21:34.27 | cbx33 | cool |
| 21:34.30 | cbx33 | ok here i go |
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| 21:34.35 | guardian | content_changes.html says nearly everything has been upgraded |
| 21:34.48 | guardian | so it's difficult to see what's the inpact in the end |
| 21:34.57 | cbx33 | damn packages are missing |
| 21:34.58 | cbx33 | :( |
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| 21:35.04 | theril | cbx33: Which packages? |
| 21:35.08 | cbx33 | what the heck do i do now? |
| 21:35.13 | cbx33 | libglade |
| 21:35.14 | _Monkey | libglade is 2.0 at max, but glade itself is 3 |
| 21:35.16 | cbx33 | libsdl |
| 21:35.22 | cbx33 | libgdbm |
| 21:35.24 | cbx33 | libreadline |
| 21:35.31 | theril | cbx33: How did you try to install it? |
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| 21:35.42 | theril | Clicked the install from maemo.org? |
| 21:35.46 | cbx33 | clicked on the intall link on the maemo website? |
| 21:35.50 | cbx33 | yes |
| 21:35.55 | cbx33 | should i apt-get install? |
| 21:36.05 | theril | Install this first http://maemo.org/downloads/product/bora_sdk_repo |
| 21:36.35 | cbx33 | how big is it? |
| 21:36.41 | theril | The application manager has a known problem that it supports only adding one repository per .install-file, so sometimes the repositories must be installed manually |
| 21:36.54 | cbx33 | ahh |
| 21:37.00 | theril | cbx33: It's not really a package, it just adds the repository to application manager |
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| 21:37.09 | cbx33 | oh i see |
| 21:37.16 | theril | Something under 1KB i guess ;) |
| 21:37.24 | cbx33 | wow |
| 21:37.25 | cbx33 | cool |
| 21:37.26 | cbx33 | ok |
| 21:37.28 | cbx33 | python it is |
| 21:37.37 | cbx33 | i'm just a little cautious of running out of space |
| 21:37.45 | cbx33 | there's not much on the device itself |
| 21:38.00 | Veggen | cbx33: there's actually quite a bit. |
| 21:38.29 | cbx33 | ok |
| 21:38.30 | alterego | .. "The only thing that struck me as odd is that the headphone jack appeared to have one extra contact on it" .. very promising :D |
| 21:38.35 | cbx33 | on goes python and realted stuff |
| 21:38.53 | cbx33 | hope it doesn't take up too much |
| 21:38.59 | cbx33 | I have a gig memory card |
| 21:39.07 | cbx33 | wopuld like to use that at some point for installing apps |
| 21:39.22 | Veggen | cbx: it's a good strategy, I feel, to leave internal storage for programs and put data on cards. |
| 21:39.24 | cbx33 | the battery time fluctuates a lot |
| 21:39.34 | cbx33 | Veggen true |
| 21:39.42 | cbx33 | coool python installed |
| 21:40.09 | cbx33 | is camera any good? |
| 21:40.29 | cbx33 | does fm radio work with the headphones as the antenna? |
| 21:40.56 | Veggen | yah. |
| 21:41.07 | cbx33 | cool |
| 21:42.40 | cbx33 | is xchat good on maemo? |
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| 21:44.50 | cbx33 | bbl |
| 21:46.48 | pupnik_ | http://i14.tinypic.com/5403m38.jpg Nokia 770 successor -- the 970! :P |
| 21:50.29 | nate12o6 | has anyone in here paired there with a bluetooth cell phone to get internet? |
| 21:50.47 | nate12o6 | i was able to pair it with a trio 650 but dont know what to do after that to get internet access |
| 21:51.10 | nate12o6 | it says that dialup networking is available but where do i go to configure all that stuff? |
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| 21:51.39 | pupnik | "Slightly larger and heavier than the 770, the Nokia 970 features 256MB onboard flash, 256MB ram, a 500mhz cpu, two SD card slots, a dual-mode transflective display and a 7-12 hour battery life" |
| 21:51.43 | alterego | pupnik, it's a prototype, the final product probably wont look like that at all. |
| 21:52.00 | pupnik | it's a mockup in the gimp i just made :P |
| 21:52.02 | alterego | Besides, having a slip out keyboard would be cool imo |
| 21:52.30 | alterego | pupnik, runs symbian :P |
| 21:53.09 | pupnik | well for me, a larger dpad, smaller center dpad button, stero speakers and right hand side buttons would be the New Happiness (tm) |
| 21:53.30 | alterego | Left handed? |
| 21:53.56 | pupnik | i am, but it hardly matters. Right hand side buttons are needed to play games. |
| 21:54.24 | alterego | Chop your right hand off. |
| 21:54.42 | pupnik | everyone needs right hand side buttons |
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| 21:55.18 | alterego | Well, my suspicion of svideo output is getting more and more concrete (in my mind) .. ^_^ |
| 21:55.37 | pupnik | http://www.trustedreviews.com/images/article/inline/3229-1.jpg |
| 21:56.09 | alterego | POS :P |
| 21:56.20 | alterego | It's tooooo smallll. |
| 21:56.31 | alterego | And it's not a touch screen. All screens should be touch screen :P |
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| 22:12.29 | pupnik | I just can't bring myself to spend 200 euro for a gp2x |
| 22:15.50 | pupnik | i think a slide out keyboard would be doable though using index fingers to prop-up the defice your thumbs could use the bottom keys |
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| 22:25.54 | alterego | That's pretty cheap pupnik |
| 22:26.53 | alterego | I'm starting to salivate. I need my N800! |
| 22:27.02 | alterego | Hope it turns up tomorrow. I'd be super chuffed. |
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| 22:28.15 | unique311 | lol, i'm not too sure about your mockup pupnik....970 |
| 22:28.50 | alterego | Should have the 880 first :P |
| 22:28.55 | alterego | Maybe even the 880e |
| 22:28.59 | alterego | And the i880 |
| 22:29.06 | unique311 | try something that doesn't look so much like the 770 or 800 |
| 22:30.01 | unique311 | if the nokia does decide to do with a 970 that looks like that..i'm getting an iphone.. |
| 22:30.05 | unique311 | lol |
| 22:32.20 | alterego | Heh |
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| 22:32.29 | alterego | I will _never_ get an iPhone. |
| 22:32.33 | alterego | Apple are so gay. |
| 22:33.16 | timtimred | nice reasoning skills there. |
| 22:33.28 | unique311 | same here, but as long as the next NIT is hot stuff.... |
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| 22:35.47 | alterego | Nice, N800 USB host mode. |
| 22:38.24 | Veggen | uhm? |
| 22:38.47 | alterego | With a nifty sysfs interface to toggle between OTG and Host mode :) |
| 22:39.06 | alterego | I remember the 770 was unable to do that. |
| 22:39.18 | Abulafia | can you do networking over n800 usb host? |
| 22:39.46 | alterego | Provided you have a powered up. Yes |
| 22:39.50 | Abulafia | (was asked about evdo usb dongles yesterday) |
| 22:39.52 | alterego | hub .. |
| 22:40.08 | Abulafia | hey, i like power ups too. |
| 22:40.26 | Abulafia | i jump after all the 1-up mushrooms :-) |
| 22:41.38 | alterego | Appearantly it supplies 100mA so it might be possible depending on the power suckage of the USB device. |
| 22:41.53 | alterego | A memory card reader for instance may work. |
| 22:42.33 | pupnik | hi unique311 |
| 22:43.19 | unique311 | whats up |
| 22:43.32 | unique311 | anyone play chess? |
| 22:46.27 | pupnik | yes :) |
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| 22:46.53 | unique311 | are you any good.. |
| 22:47.07 | pupnik | no |
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| 22:47.18 | unique311 | see that i don't believe... |
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| 22:47.30 | pupnik | maybe 3 games a year |
| 22:47.40 | unique311 | ok... |
| 22:47.58 | unique311 | i just got back into playing.. |
| 22:48.06 | unique311 | its addictive.. |
| 22:48.15 | pupnik | people or computers? |
| 22:48.33 | unique311 | well, a person... |
| 22:48.36 | edt | any idea why .deb no longer triggers the installer here? |
| 22:49.02 | pupnik | whoah, on-topic questions! |
| 22:49.03 | unique311 | but the person wants to learn |
| 22:49.22 | unique311 | lol |
| 22:49.23 | metatron | i find the manager to be very slow |
| 22:50.11 | metatron | debs open the installer but after a couple of minutes (literally) |
| 22:50.22 | edt | eg. clicking on a .deb for my box no longer wants to open with the installer... |
| 22:51.21 | edt | I no longer have the option to open them. |
| 22:51.21 | dick-richardson | edt: can you run dpkg -i for the file? |
| 22:51.21 | edt | yes |
| 22:51.45 | dick-richardson | then I dunno :( |
| 22:51.53 | metatron | gah. thats how i ended up installing skype |
| 22:52.43 | edt | its as if mime type got messed up |
| 22:52.48 | dick-richardson | i know this is directly applicable to the channel...but skype vs. gizmo: I'm trying to decide between the 2 and just curious what experience people have had |
| 22:52.53 | dick-richardson | *isn't |
| 22:53.55 | dick-richardson | edt: yeah, like the front end (hildon?) doesn't know what to do w/it. is there a gconf-editor type app for the n800? |
| 22:54.09 | alterego | There's one floating about somewhere I'm sure/ |
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| 22:54.33 | metatron | gizmo is more flexible, skype has more people. i find the audio on gizmo to be better. |
| 22:54.51 | metatron | pretty much what you'd expect |
| 22:55.33 | dick-richardson | fairly comparable re: pricing? |
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| 22:56.17 | fdsd | hey guys, What do you guys think of the iPhone? |
| 22:56.54 | edt | wait for v2 |
| 22:56.55 | roope | it's good. |
| 22:56.55 | dick-richardson | it doesn't do what i need |
| 22:57.14 | fdsd | I with it had terminal support |
| 22:57.26 | roope | it's a smartphone for the masses. |
| 22:57.40 | dick-richardson | yep. I really like scripting...but I have to have vpn and samba |
| 22:57.42 | metatron | wouldnt that make it a dumbphone? |
| 22:57.51 | fdsd | and I wish that it was a bit higher res on the screen like my nokia, but the glide feature they have for scrolling is impressive |
| 22:58.06 | dick-richardson | hell yeah, design is flawless |
| 22:58.29 | metatron | i dunno, i played with one the other day |
| 22:58.42 | metatron | i dont like the browsing experience |
| 22:58.46 | fdsd | metatron, I ended up buying one |
| 22:58.54 | fdsd | metatron, why? |
| 22:58.57 | roope | flawless is a pretty tall statement. everything has flaws. |
| 22:59.16 | fdsd | roope, 1.0 software.. expect some bugs |
| 22:59.30 | dick-richardson | proper names are difficult |
| 22:59.38 | dick-richardson | hey, edt: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/gconf-editor |
| 23:00.52 | dick-richardson | honestly, I'm not sure which entry it'd be under...but it might be worth poking around |
| 23:01.02 | fdsd | I wish my nokia had a glass screen like the iPhone |
| 23:01.02 | eugene | morning |
| 23:01.15 | fdsd | no scratching:) |
| 23:01.30 | dick-richardson | eugene: where are you? it's 6p where I am :P |
| 23:01.44 | roope | but it's a really welcome boost. i will force a good response to it. |
| 23:01.50 | roope | the phone market was stagnated for a while. |
| 23:02.20 | eugene | dick-richardson: Singapore :) |
| 23:02.26 | fdsd | roope, yeah I think the iPhone OS is light years ahead of the competition |
| 23:02.52 | fdsd | I really hope developers can create cocoa apps for it by next wwdc |
| 23:03.08 | roope | well, it's ... I wouldn't say life years, but. :) |
| 23:03.12 | dick-richardson | fdsd: not the OS, per se...the interface. Open up the bsd underpinings and release an sdk |
| 23:03.17 | roope | light years. |
| 23:04.28 | fdsd | dick-richardson, well apple's interface and windowing system quartz is far ahead of Microsofts or any other phone provider or PDA company |
| 23:04.39 | roope | it's running an OS and hardware that allows for a really good visual experience UI. |
| 23:04.39 | dick-richardson | absolutely |
| 23:04.51 | roope | but then again, something like PSP has more eye-candy stuff in its ui, for instance. |
| 23:05.16 | dick-richardson | but it's so blasted limited :/ |
| 23:05.22 | fdsd | roope, yeah but they have not mastered ease of use |
| 23:05.29 | roope | that's true. |
| 23:05.50 | fdsd | They think a 4.5" Screen is "Portable" |
| 23:06.03 | fdsd | well they think a PSP is portable |
| 23:06.05 | alterego | Heh |
| 23:06.25 | fdsd | Nokia 770 and N800 could be alittle trimmer also |
| 23:07.24 | fdsd | I would love a Nintendo DS type device where the bottom part is a keyboard and the top part is a screen like the iPhone.. |
| 23:09.54 | dick-richardson | I'd like a slide-out keyboard for the n800, a la htc apache |
| 23:10.09 | fdsd | would be nice |
| 23:10.19 | fdsd | I wish the n800 had a screen cover like the nokia 770 |
| 23:10.58 | dick-richardson | i haven't seen it, is it just a flip cover? |
| 23:11.25 | fdsd | I bought a compusa replacement warranty on my 770 so I could break it and get a free n800, but they went out of business.. damn |
| 23:11.40 | fdsd | dick-richardson, slides over the screen and puts the device to sleep |
| 23:12.12 | cesman | they should still cover it |
| 23:12.24 | alterego | Well, the iPhone has a PowerVR MBX chip in it. |
| 23:12.33 | fdsd | what is that? |
| 23:12.33 | _Monkey | that is a sign of good news |
| 23:12.37 | cesman | compusa isn't out of business, they just closed about half thier stores |
| 23:12.52 | fdsd | all the store in my area |
| 23:13.06 | cesman | mine as well |
| 23:14.05 | fdsd | what is the PowerVR MBX? |
| 23:14.36 | dick-richardson | it's a really good chip |
| 23:14.54 | dick-richardson | power vs. performance is really good |
| 23:15.09 | cesman | http://www.google.com/search?q=PowerVR+MBX&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 |
| 23:15.38 | alterego | fdsd, it's a 2D/3D accelarator chip found in the OMAP 2420 SoC package. |
| 23:15.54 | fdsd | I really hope that I can port some of my objective C cocoa code to it, I use to use layerkit way before it was called core animation |
| 23:16.01 | alterego | It allows you to code in OpenGL ES |
| 23:16.25 | fdsd | cool |
| 23:16.37 | cesman | interesting.... |
| 23:16.50 | alterego | Oh, the OMAP2420 is in the N800 ;) |
| 23:16.52 | cesman | same PowerVR from the 3dfx days... |
| 23:16.55 | alterego | If you didn't know :) |
| 23:17.07 | fdsd | wow |
| 23:17.48 | alterego | The company might have but the technology is still around. |
| 23:18.01 | fdsd | I hope nokia will introduce a touch screen like the iPhone |
| 23:18.07 | dick-richardson | nvidia bought them, back in the day, didnt' they? |
| 23:18.12 | cesman | same name, same logo |
| 23:18.19 | alterego | Imagination Technologies have joined forces with ARM to provide accelerated 3D graphics for SoC packages. |
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| 23:18.34 | fdsd | wow |
| 23:18.35 | roope | the iphone is a bit weird, the keyboard only allows to press one key at a time. |
| 23:18.37 | alterego | Using PowerVR MBX technologies. |
| 23:18.47 | roope | one would think that that would be exactly the thing they would use "multi-touch". |
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| 23:20.20 | fdsd | roope, you can hit two at a time but it doesnt register what key came first |
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| 23:21.13 | alterego | Hahahah. |
| 23:21.20 | alterego | They're developing N800 drivers! |
| 23:21.29 | alterego | This is _too_ cool! |
| 23:22.28 | derf | SoC? |
| 23:22.32 | derf | Summer of Code? |
| 23:22.45 | alterego | No idea. |
| 23:22.55 | derf | Oh, System on a Chip. |
| 23:23.29 | alterego | Oh, you wanted to know what I meant sorry :) |
| 23:23.36 | alterego | I thought you were talking about the driver development. |
| 23:23.55 | fdsd | Damn my apple store close to me has no iPhones, I wanted to take my girlfriend's dad to get one |
| 23:25.14 | fdsd | compiz on a nokia n800.. a man can dream |
| 23:25.22 | fdsd | its made for the touch interface |
| 23:27.20 | alterego | Would be neat. |
| 23:28.59 | KaylaKaze | anyone think it'd be cool to have a game like shining force but for fighting you have like 3 seconds or so to draw symbols for attacking (a slash for a standard attack, and other more complex symbols for spells and such)? |
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| 23:29.20 | GeneralAntilles | Symbols are never any fun. |
| 23:29.26 | GeneralAntilles | See Black & White |
| 23:29.34 | GeneralAntilles | Sounds like a DS title, anyway. |
| 23:29.51 | KaylaKaze | that's 'cause the DS is the only major touch screen platform |
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| 23:29.58 | GeneralAntilles | Good point. :P |
| 23:30.13 | GeneralAntilles | I want multitouch and PowerVR drivers for games. |
| 23:30.31 | GeneralAntilles | Be cool if some of the N-Gage development could come over to the ITs. |
| 23:30.40 | GeneralAntilles | Though it's completely out of the roadmap. |
| 23:30.44 | KaylaKaze | y? |
| 23:31.02 | KaylaKaze | (would it be cool, that is) |
| 23:31.30 | alterego | I'd like a good RTS. |
| 23:31.38 | cesman | GeneralAntilles: the n800 would be nice for games, but the layout of the input keys aren't that great |
| 23:31.46 | KaylaKaze | yuck to rts |
| 23:31.58 | fdsd | Anyone want to trade their n800 for my nokia 770 and an ipod nano? |
| 23:31.59 | alterego | I'm getting old :P |
| 23:32.02 | GeneralAntilles | If they would just clone the keys on the left and put a set on the right side it'd be perfect. |
| 23:32.07 | GeneralAntilles | fdsd: no. |
| 23:32.11 | fdsd | dang |
| 23:32.13 | KaylaKaze | The 770, hardware wise, is only a little less powerful than my laptop |
| 23:32.14 | alterego | Hah .. No .. ^_^ |
| 23:32.17 | GeneralAntilles | It would be perfect for RTS |
| 23:32.26 | KaylaKaze | and my laptop can play starcraft and fallout and stuff |
| 23:32.44 | fdsd | I can't glue my nokia 770 and my ipod nano and my cell phone together to make an iphone.. |
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| 23:33.06 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 23:33.19 | GeneralAntilles | Just fab yourself a giant iPhone case and stick them in there. |
| 23:33.24 | KaylaKaze | I should see about how difficult it'd be to run Dosbox on maemo |
| 23:33.35 | Juhaz | of course not. glue is for amateurs, you have to use duct tape to make magic happen |
| 23:33.39 | GeneralAntilles | I love the interface on the iPhone |
| 23:33.41 | GeneralAntilles | It's magical |
| 23:34.04 | GeneralAntilles | But without the screenrez of the N800 and without any of the tasty unixy parts of OS X it's just not worth it. |
| 23:34.08 | cesman | for Walt Mossberg to call it a mini computer is misleading as Apple doesn't provide a full SDK |
| 23:34.26 | GeneralAntilles | I can't imagine them holding that position for much longer. |
| 23:35.03 | GeneralAntilles | Mac developers are some of the best interface designers out there. |
| 23:35.07 | GeneralAntilles | They would thrive on the iPhone. |
| 23:35.11 | cesman | It will certainly make the next round of portable devices more interesting |
| 23:35.18 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 23:35.28 | GeneralAntilles | I think that's where the impact of the iPhone really comes into play. |
| 23:35.36 | GeneralAntilles | To everybody who hasn't used the iPhone, try it. |
| 23:35.39 | cesman | Nokia has something really great w/ the n770 and 800 |
| 23:35.44 | GeneralAntilles | It's going to change the entire cellphone paradigm. |
| 23:35.51 | GeneralAntilles | The same way the iPod changed MP3 players. |
| 23:35.53 | fdsd | GeneralAntilles, they will come out with an SDK... |
| 23:36.05 | GeneralAntilles | Hopefully it's sooner rather than later. |
| 23:36.22 | fdsd | yeah web 2.0 apps are kinda lame |
| 23:37.07 | fdsd | but its amazing how one device can make so many companies taylor to one device |
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| 23:38.17 | GeneralAntilles | Text rendering in Safari on there is abysmally slow. |
| 23:38.38 | fdsd | I thought it was amazingly fast |
| 23:39.30 | GeneralAntilles | Perhaps it was just the sites I was browsing |
| 23:39.38 | GeneralAntilles | Lots of Web-2.0 stuff. ;) |
| 23:39.46 | fdsd | it feels like google maps when your resizing |
| 23:40.02 | GeneralAntilles | I'd really like to see Nokia go in the direction that Apple is interface wise. |
| 23:40.12 | fdsd | yeah me too |
| 23:41.01 | GeneralAntilles | Still though, I love me my N800. |
| 23:41.15 | GeneralAntilles | Greatest consumer electronics investment I've ever made. |
| 23:41.39 | fdsd | its nice |
| 23:41.51 | fdsd | I just wish I could merge the iphone and the nokia n800 together |
| 23:42.30 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 23:43.05 | GeneralAntilles | I'm kinda disturbed that application development has kinda ground to a halt on the Maemo platform, though. |
| 23:43.06 | cesman | all you need is a cell w/ bluetooth DUN |
| 23:44.37 | fdsd | yeah.. I like what apple is working on, sharing the edge over wifi, internet sharing is very useful |
| 23:45.28 | GeneralAntilles | If I could pull up a bash terminal on the iPhone I'd be all over that. |
| 23:45.53 | fdsd | GeneralAntilles, I will give it 3 months before we see that from hackers |
| 23:48.16 | fdsd | I think its cool that the hackers so far have figured out how to boot the device into single user mode, and they found hidden applications that are not on the menu bar like Dictionary and a network interface. |
| 23:48.43 | GeneralAntilles | Dictionary would be awesome |
| 23:48.48 | GeneralAntilles | I don't get why every mobile device doesn't come bundled with a dictionary. |
| 23:50.08 | fdsd | apple should come out with a terminal type app for download |
| 23:50.14 | fdsd | sandbox the hell out of it |
| 23:51.13 | alterego | If they did that they know it would only be a matter of time before the whole OS was cracked and people started writing apps for it. |
| 23:52.28 | fdsd | true |
| 23:52.36 | fdsd | ssh access app would be nice |
| 23:52.48 | fdsd | being able to ssh to my machines |
| 23:53.10 | fdsd | maybe a web 2.0 app can do that.. |
| 23:53.56 | derf | There's absolutely ssh-on-a-webpage. |
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| 23:54.05 | derf | If you trust it enough to type your password into it. |
| 23:55.29 | pupnik | fdsd: the MDA phone is a clamshell like that. so is the sharp zaurus |
| 23:58.12 | dick-richardson | that intel internet tablet looks interesting |
