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| 05:22.16 | *** topic/#maemo is maemo is the application development platform for the Nokia Internet Tablets | Good questions deserve better answers | http://maemo.org | irc logs at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/os2007on770/ | http://www.flickr.com/groups/maemo/ |
| 05:22.50 | Trencher | maybe vmware AND livecd |
| 05:23.26 | megabyte405 | Trencher: see my advice above about the INdT Maemo vmware appliance |
| 05:23.37 | megabyte405 | if you're compiling a kernel module, that's the way to go |
| 05:23.39 | hieptranit | i am using this sample code hello-world-app_0.4.tar.gz |
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| 05:25.05 | hieptranit | so after i added the call to "gtk_menu_item_set_submenu(GTK_MENU_ITEM(service_type_menu), item_service);" |
| 05:25.29 | hieptranit | and tried to do a make and we got a link error |
| 05:26.12 | hieptranit | ./.libs/libhelloworld.so: undefined reference to `hildon_window_set_menu' |
| 05:26.38 | hieptranit | so does anybody know any hints or solution? |
| 05:27.31 | megabyte405 | hieptranit: you're beyond me now, sorry |
| 05:27.40 | megabyte405 | make sure you have the right includes |
| 05:27.48 | megabyte405 | and that you're linking against the hildon libraries |
| 05:28.03 | dragorn | you're calling a function that is defined in a header and you aren't linking the library it needs |
| 05:28.05 | hieptranit | i did that and yes we are linking against the hildon libs |
| 05:28.34 | dragorn | you're missing a lib, or you're calling a function that doesn't exist in your version of maemo |
| 05:28.41 | hieptranit | do we need to update the makefiles or something? |
| 05:29.05 | ports- | megabyte405, *sigh* 20 minutes left on the download |
| 05:29.21 | megabyte405 | ports-: you're downloading an entire operating system and compilation tools |
| 05:29.45 | ports- | megabyte405, yeah.. but i have 6mbps dsl.. this should be faster :) |
| 05:30.00 | megabyte405 | their server isn't the fastest |
| 05:30.14 | ports- | it might not be them. |
| 05:30.33 | ports- | i upgraded from 3mbps last week. and my upload speeds have increased.. but i havent really seen an increase in my download |
| 05:30.52 | megabyte405 | you are probably maxing out the servers you are hitting |
| 05:31.07 | megabyte405 | try simultaneously downloading the vmware player you'll need to run that image :D |
| 05:31.31 | ports- | already have vmware player |
| 05:31.37 | Trencher | lol |
| 05:31.46 | ports- | i use it for an ubuntu image with my python tools integrated :) |
| 05:31.56 | hieptranit | we tried this "gcc -o maemo_hello maemo_hello.c `pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0 hildon-libs` -ansi -Wall `pkg-config --libs gtk+-2.0 hildon-libs`" and it works |
| 05:32.50 | hieptranit | but when we used make it complained about undefined reference |
| 05:32.57 | megabyte405 | hieptranit: fix your makefile |
| 05:33.19 | megabyte405 | you need to add those pkg-config parts to your includes, hwoever you do that in your particular makefiles |
| 05:33.28 | hieptranit | which one makefile.am or makefile.in or makefile |
| 05:33.40 | megabyte405 | I think .am |
| 05:34.58 | ports- | megabyte405, nope.. looks like theyve increased my upload speeds, but not my download. |
| 05:35.36 | megabyte405 | ports-: that stinks... |
| 05:35.54 | ports- | megabyte405, its ok.. theyll fix it on monday |
| 05:36.46 | ports- | megabyte405, at&t and i havent been getting along so well. idiot landscapers keep cutting the ground line to my house.. which isnt entirely their fault since its barely buried 2 inches deep. and the at&t installer 3 times now has shallowly buried the line when its required to be 12 inches. |
| 05:37.12 | megabyte405 | ah, yes. at&t. I don't envy anyone who has to deal with them |
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| 05:37.19 | megabyte405 | I'm a computer tech by trade, at least for now |
| 05:37.29 | megabyte405 | so I end up dealing with at&t |
| 05:37.34 | ports- | theyre not bad. |
| 05:37.46 | ports- | im nice to them on the phone, and in turn theyre nice to me. |
| 05:38.01 | megabyte405 | me too |
| 05:38.07 | ports- | its not customer service's fault that their installers are lazy morons |
| 05:38.16 | megabyte405 | well, you actually get an installer |
| 05:38.19 | megabyte405 | here it's all self install |
| 05:38.33 | megabyte405 | unfortunately, I often know what's going on more clearly than the first level tech support |
| 05:38.34 | ports- | if they want my business, theyll send an installer. :) |
| 05:38.56 | megabyte405 | and the continuing threat of "we'll look at the box, but if it's not outside, we're coming inside and billing you $96/hour" doesn't do much for my confidence in them |
| 05:39.02 | ports- | i have at&t local phone, dsl, cellular service, and satelite. i pay them a large sum of money each month |
| 05:39.16 | megabyte405 | dragorn: it seems you were right - I was just darn lucky last reboot. Seems to be stuck now. |
| 05:39.20 | dragorn | megabyte405: unfortunately |
| 05:39.49 | ports- | eek.. i just estimated what i pay them.. its $300/month |
| 05:40.00 | ports- | and thats after my discounts for being a state employee |
| 05:40.01 | megabyte405 | that's so weird - it's like it only gets the first "update" so to speak when scanning |
| 05:40.16 | megabyte405 | :) |
| 05:41.27 | megabyte405 | wow, if I run it several times in a row without rebooting, it won't even get the ui set up - it says bind failed |
| 05:41.29 | megabyte405 | that's weird |
| 05:41.32 | ports- | megabyte405, are you an independent computer tech? |
| 05:41.39 | megabyte405 | must be because it hung and I ctrl-c'ed it |
| 05:41.43 | eugene | ports-: what is a state employee |
| 05:41.57 | megabyte405 | ports-: yep - at least for now |
| 05:42.04 | ports- | eugene, i work for the state government through a state university |
| 05:42.30 | megabyte405 | I'd like to "move up in the world" to network administration or experimental software design (like maemo, etc) but not yet |
| 05:42.36 | ports- | megabyte405, i dislike independent computer techs.. theyre almost as bad as Best Buy as far as pricing |
| 05:42.44 | `0660 | i don't have a satellite nor a local phone but my 100 mb internet connection and cell phone generate about $30/month :) |
| 05:43.16 | megabyte405 | ports-: ha - not me, I'm a uni student who looks a lot younger than my real age, so I can't charge much. I'm very, very cheap compared to best buy |
| 05:43.22 | ports- | `0660, my dsl is $35/mo.. and if you dont get local phone service, they charge you $80/mo.. whereas a local no option phone is $10/month |
| 05:43.59 | dragorn | I pay 300/mo for synchronous 3mbit plus half a class c and reverse dns delegation |
| 05:44.03 | `0660 | i wish you had a better consumer protection laws in us |
| 05:44.44 | megabyte405 | dragorn: now that is what I call an internet connection! :D |
| 05:45.13 | eugene | ports-: oh.. |
| 05:45.16 | ports- | megabyte405, how old are you |
| 05:45.24 | megabyte405 | university student |
| 05:45.25 | ports- | eugene, where are you from? |
| 05:45.30 | eugene | ports-: singapore |
| 05:45.38 | ports- | megabyte405, 17-18. :) |
| 05:45.49 | `0660 | here the isp's have to rent their lines to competitors with sensible price. and that's why there is some competition going on |
| 05:45.57 | eugene | ports-: we don't have states here :) |
| 05:46.18 | ports- | eugene, ah. here if you work for a state university, you're paid by the state government.. so the same ethics, regulations, policies that apply for regular government employees apply to us also. |
| 05:46.35 | eugene | ports-: interesting |
| 05:47.24 | Trencher | yay found a compiled one: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4506&page=2 |
| 05:47.34 | eugene | ports-: we don't have an equivalent over here. |
| 05:47.57 | ports- | eugene, sure you do.. the singapore country government :) |
| 05:48.26 | eugene | ports-: hehe, except that the government university do not get the regular government employee benefits :) |
| 05:48.46 | ports- | i normally dont either. |
| 05:49.24 | ports- | but a few places like phone companies form discount agreements with the universities.. its a way for them to get extra business. |
| 05:49.49 | ports- | for a 5-10% discount, they get recommended strongly to the 3-4,000 people i work with |
| 05:50.12 | eugene | ah.. |
| 05:51.31 | eugene | gee, don't feel like studying for my test tomorrow. |
| 05:52.43 | ports- | whats it in |
| 05:52.57 | eugene | some military stuff.. |
| 05:52.58 | megabyte405 | alright, I'm headin offline for the night |
| 05:53.01 | megabyte405 | later all |
| 05:53.01 | eugene | megabyte405: night |
| 05:53.01 | ports- | later megabyte405 thanks |
| 05:53.02 | megabyte405 | thanks for your help, dragorn |
| 05:53.14 | megabyte405 | dragorn: will let you know on the forums if I find out more info or antyhing |
| 05:53.25 | megabyte405 | later eugene , ports- , Trencher |
| 05:53.31 | eugene | later |
| 05:53.52 | ports- | eugene, whats it in |
| 05:54.14 | eugene | ports-: some military stuff... |
| 05:54.36 | ports- | are you in the military? |
| 05:54.46 | eugene | ports-: i'm in reservist right now. |
| 05:55.06 | ports- | cool |
| 05:55.08 | eugene | s/in/a/ |
| 05:55.28 | ports- | haha |
| 05:55.35 | ports- | s/cool/oops |
| 05:55.40 | ports- | d'oh |
| 05:55.42 | eugene | hehe |
| 05:55.48 | ports- | s/d'oh/cool |
| 05:55.50 | eugene | you forgot the backslash |
| 05:55.58 | ports- | s/d'oh/cool/ |
| 05:56.06 | eugene | lol |
| 05:56.11 | ports- | nice |
| 05:56.19 | ports- | i might have to write a script to do that for me |
| 05:56.41 | eugene | s/lol/lolol/ |
| 05:56.57 | eugene | s/script/code/ |
| 05:57.05 | eugene | ah-ha! |
| 05:58.08 | Trencher | arrgh |
| 05:58.10 | Trencher | lol |
| 05:58.33 | ports- | s/write a script to do that for me/punch someone in the face/ |
| 05:58.40 | ports- | haha :> |
| 05:58.58 | Trencher | insmod: cannot insert '/home/user/cx3110x.ko': Invalid module format (-1): Exec format error |
| 05:59.03 | Trencher | yay! |
| 05:59.05 | Trencher | lol |
| 05:59.20 | eugene | modinfo cx311x.ko |
| 05:59.58 | Trencher | no such proggy |
| 06:00.09 | eugene | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:00.17 | Trencher | maybe |
| 06:00.22 | eugene | did you sudo gainroot? |
| 06:00.34 | Trencher | nope |
| 06:00.35 | Trencher | and yes |
| 06:01.14 | Trencher | .. /sbin # modinfo /home/user/cx3110x.ko |
| 06:01.27 | Trencher | .. /bin/sh: modinfo: not found |
| 06:01.44 | Trencher | i <3 linux cuz it's so damn argumentative |
| 06:01.48 | eugene | my n800 is offline at the moment... |
| 06:01.53 | Trencher | windows bends over way too easy |
| 06:02.01 | Trencher | i have a 770 |
| 06:02.14 | Trencher | it might be because the driver was compiled for a 800... :( |
| 06:02.25 | ports- | Trencher, i want a 770 |
| 06:02.31 | Trencher | do you have a 800? |
| 06:02.34 | ports- | no |
| 06:02.37 | Trencher | lol i wooted |
| 06:02.41 | Trencher | it looked cool |
| 06:02.45 | ports- | how much |
| 06:02.50 | Trencher | i have nightmares i never had now |
| 06:03.46 | Trencher | 135 |
| 06:04.00 | ports- | i want one for 100 :) |
| 06:04.07 | Trencher | ebay? |
| 06:04.18 | Trencher | if you ebay REALLY well |
| 06:04.20 | ports- | 150+10 |
| 06:04.21 | Trencher | you can get stuff dirt cheap |
| 06:04.33 | Trencher | i got mine 130+5 |
| 06:05.30 | Trencher | o well |
| 06:06.00 | Trencher | unless someone's willing to compile for me (i will give roms!) i'm going to wait a hour for the Maemo SDK VMWare img to dl |
| 06:06.13 | Trencher | then i'll take a couple of shots at compiling for my first time evar |
| 06:06.45 | eugene | Trencher: i don't need the roms, but i can compile for you. |
| 06:07.00 | eugene | for 880? |
| 06:07.05 | eugene | s/880/800/ |
| 06:07.37 | Trencher | no, 770 |
| 06:07.45 | ports- | i just finished downloading the maemo sdk |
| 06:07.46 | eugene | oh, then i can't compile for you. |
| 06:07.57 | Trencher | :( |
| 06:07.59 | Trencher | lol |
| 06:08.45 | Trencher | i rmmodded my wifi driver.. a reset should undo that, right? |
| 06:08.57 | ports- | i think so |
| 06:08.59 | Trencher | total linux n00b |
| 06:09.06 | ports- | i dont think that deletes it |
| 06:09.18 | Trencher | managed to get the 2007he edition in, then moved it to the mmc |
| 06:09.20 | Trencher | that's it |
| 06:09.38 | Trencher | s/edition/ |
| 06:10.32 | Trencher | stupid fancypants infobot |
| 06:10.40 | ports- | yay |
| 06:10.42 | ports- | it loads |
| 06:10.43 | Trencher | s/stupid fancypants/cool |
| 06:10.52 | Trencher | s/stupid fancypants/cool/ |
| 06:10.54 | Trencher | lol |
| 06:11.08 | ports- | s/it loads/stop doing that dummy :) |
| 06:11.29 | ports- | s/it loads/stop doing that dummy :)/ |
| 06:11.31 | Trencher | me needs to gb/2/syntaxschool |
| 06:11.55 | Trencher | only 56 mins left |
| 06:12.12 | Trencher | wlan still works.. so it should be ok |
| 06:12.13 | ports- | Trencher, i have a laptop right now thats getting a bit old and slowly dying.. and its almost 10 lbs with power supply.. so its a pain to lug around with textbooks |
| 06:12.20 | Trencher | stream me some kroq |
| 06:12.27 | Trencher | :( |
| 06:12.31 | Trencher | get a palm? |
| 06:12.49 | ports- | i have a palm and a pocketpc.. they serve their purposes |
| 06:13.01 | Trencher | palm + kb = laptop |
| 06:13.05 | Trencher | at least, mine did |
| 06:13.11 | ports- | Trencher, at school i basically needs something that runs pdf, some python code, runs word docs, and browses the web.. so with a few mods the n770 will be great |
| 06:13.15 | ports- | yuck.. palms are trash :) |
| 06:13.20 | Trencher | i only used mine for mp3+games+web |
| 06:13.23 | Trencher | and it sucked at that |
| 06:13.26 | ports- | ive been using palmos for 8 years. i hate it |
| 06:13.27 | Trencher | i never used the pim |
| 06:13.45 | Trencher | but i lost my T|T2 |
| 06:13.48 | Trencher | so now i got this |
| 06:14.39 | Trencher | it's pretty cool, because i <3 KROQ, but i get no signal in my room |
| 06:14.39 | Trencher | so i can stream it with it |
| 06:14.45 | ports- | ah. i have a sony clie peg-t415.. makes a nice ebook reader.. but beyond that.. palmos isnt nearly as handy as even pocketpc 2002 was |
| 06:15.00 | Trencher | lol ebooks |
| 06:15.04 | Trencher | what's your source? |
| 06:15.11 | ports- | efnet / #books |
| 06:15.15 | ports- | err #bw |
| 06:15.19 | Trencher | i use #bookz on undernet |
| 06:15.38 | ports- | probably the same |
| 06:16.37 | ports- | only thing ill have to carry extra is a keyboard + hub.. and im thinking ill buy one of those rollable rubberized keyboards |
| 06:17.31 | Trencher | eww |
| 06:17.47 | Trencher | i have a couple of those foldout keyboards for palm |
| 06:17.50 | Trencher | love them |
| 06:17.58 | eugene | Trencher: mail me one! |
| 06:18.02 | Trencher | when i bust it out, people instantly assume i'm some type of hacker |
| 06:18.06 | Trencher | which port do you have? |
| 06:18.38 | ports- | does the 770 have bluetooth? i think it does... |
| 06:18.40 | Trencher | i've got a extra for the universal connector |
| 06:18.42 | Trencher | it does |
| 06:18.53 | Trencher | and there's a bt keyboard driver |
| 06:18.56 | eugene | Trencher: i'm usin n800 |
| 06:19.01 | eugene | Trencher: bt probably works |
| 06:19.10 | Trencher | they're not bt |
| 06:19.15 | Trencher | both r wired |
| 06:19.32 | ports- | Trencher, thats what i was going to mention |
| 06:19.34 | eugene | mini usb? |
| 06:19.53 | Trencher | no, palm proprietary ports |
| 06:19.59 | Trencher | can't use on the 770 |
| 06:20.03 | ports- | Trencher, have you seen Live Free or Die Hard? |
| 06:20.07 | Trencher | not yet |
| 06:20.28 | ports- | they make extensive use of rollable keyboards, and pdas to hack computers |
| 06:20.33 | Trencher | lol |
| 06:22.49 | eugene | which bt keyboard is good for n800? |
| 06:22.56 | ports- | eugene, the cheapest one you find :) |
| 06:23.00 | eugene | i guess i will buy one, for convenience. |
| 06:23.03 | eugene | hmm... |
| 06:23.11 | eugene | all not cheap.. |
| 06:23.19 | ports- | eugene, google a ACK-595. i like that form factor |
| 06:23.44 | eugene | googling |
| 06:23.54 | eugene | ports-: do u know n770/800 is not available in this part of the world? |
| 06:24.00 | ports- | nope. |
| 06:24.11 | eugene | wow not bad |
| 06:24.17 | eugene | yeah it's only available in US/UK |
| 06:24.20 | eugene | not in APAC |
| 06:24.25 | ports- | you can find it via ebay |
| 06:24.26 | eugene | we have to import them from US |
| 06:24.42 | eugene | wow i might want to buy that |
| 06:25.01 | ports- | eugene, the ACK-595 is a ps/2 keyboard.. not bluetooth |
| 06:25.09 | eugene | oh :( |
| 06:25.15 | eugene | how to use that with n800? |
| 06:25.17 | ports- | its just a very nice small keyboard |
| 06:25.26 | ports- | eugene, cant.. i dont think the 770/800 support ps2 |
| 06:25.31 | eugene | ok |
| 06:25.35 | ports- | they make a ack-595 in usb.. that might work just fine |
| 06:25.49 | ports- | here you go this is chea |
| 06:25.54 | ports- | http://cgi.ebay.com/Dell-Bluetooth-Wireless-Keyboard-Replacement-DH953_W0QQitemZ120137821967QQihZ002QQcategoryZ116287QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 06:26.12 | eugene | SGD$62 |
| 06:26.14 | eugene | wow that's not cheap |
| 06:26.39 | ports- | thats $35 USD with shipping.. trust me thats cheap for a bluetooth keyboard |
| 06:27.05 | eugene | that's huge... |
| 06:27.13 | ports- | im gunna go the wired route with my n770 when i buy it. no worries about batteries |
| 06:27.27 | eugene | http://cgi.ebay.com.sg/NEW-Adesso-88KEY-USB-Mini-Keyboard-White-ACK-595_W0QQitemZ200002572284QQihZ010QQcategoryZ4706QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItem |
| 06:27.30 | ports- | yeah.. its a full sized keyboard.. you can probably reprogram all those function keys to do things on the n800 |
| 06:27.42 | eugene | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:27.44 | eugene | (Approximately S$ 64.29) |
| 06:27.46 | eugene | still quite expensive |
| 06:28.00 | ports- | yep.. thats the keyboard i used to use in a ps/2 version |
| 06:28.01 | eugene | http://www.safecomputing.com/mini_keyboard_ps2.html |
| 06:28.06 | eugene | $10usd cheaper.. |
| 06:28.08 | ports- | i switched it for a Kensington Slimtype |
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| 06:30.49 | eugene | got to check out the priceshere |
| 06:31.19 | ports- | k |
| 06:32.25 | eugene | hopefully i can buy a good bt keyboard, or a mini-usb one |
| 06:32.34 | eugene | maybe i should get a mini usb version |
| 06:33.03 | Trencher | gah waiting so long for download |
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| 06:37.29 | trevarthan | eugene: no host mode usb on the n800. until that happens, I think it's bt keyboards only. |
| 06:37.40 | eugene | oh.... |
| 06:37.44 | eugene | thanks.. |
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| 06:46.02 | eugene | trevarthan: can those bt keyboards for palms be used on n800? |
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| 06:58.39 | Trencher | meh |
| 06:58.41 | Trencher | w/e |
| 06:59.37 | trevarthan | eugene: probably. not sure. I've got a ThinkOutside bt keyboard. It acts rather funny. The FN key doesn't work. It's still usable, but it can be a bit annoying. Still, it's better than nothing. |
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| 07:07.40 | fdsd | hey guys, does the new 2007 os work with a 770? |
| 07:07.47 | fdsd | have they got it working yet? |
| 07:13.23 | eugene | trevarthan: thanks for the info |
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| 07:33.53 | rhys | packet injection on the n800 apparently doesnt work? |
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| 08:58.08 | claws | from what i read, flasher-3.0 doesn't work on new kernels, (i'm using 2.6.21), because of usb dev changes. what can i do, if anything? is there a new version of the flasher utility due anytime soon??? |
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| 09:48.34 | eugene | claws: nah, it worked on 2.6.21. 0xFFFF worked for me too |
| 09:48.49 | koos | claws: I used flasher-3.0 w/ 2.6.21.5, no problems |
| 09:49.16 | claws | hmm, strange |
| 09:49.23 | eugene | claws: what's the problem/error |
| 09:49.59 | claws | it just waits and waits saying that "Suitable USB device not found, waiting" |
| 09:50.30 | eugene | claws: you need to turn off your device, and then turn it on again |
| 09:50.36 | claws | yes, did that |
| 09:51.14 | claws | i an the flasher, connected my n800, turned it on while holding the 'home' key |
| 09:51.21 | claws | s/i an/i ran/ |
| 09:51.30 | eugene | what do you have to do that |
| 09:51.35 | claws | ahh, infobot! :) |
| 09:51.37 | eugene | it's simple: |
| 09:51.40 | eugene | 1) off your n800 |
| 09:51.43 | eugene | 2) run the flasher |
| 09:51.45 | koos | there was something I recall w/ /proc/bus/usb or some other dir that wasn't populated in some case .. |
| 09:51.47 | eugene | 3) on your n800 |
| 09:51.48 | eugene | done |
| 09:52.03 | claws | that's what i did, but nothing. and it sounded so simple |
| 09:52.27 | claws | koos: you could be on the right track |
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| 09:53.59 | koos | my previous system had that too, I had to add 'none /proc/bus/usb usbfs defaults 0 0' to fstab (too much stripped in the kernel I guess) |
| 09:54.19 | claws | ok, let me check my fstab... |
| 09:54.35 | koos | no check your /proc/bus/usb first :-) |
| 09:55.34 | claws | well, my fstab already has that |
| 09:55.57 | claws | usb is working, i've dumped files onto the n800 |
| 09:56.55 | claws | koos: any other clues/ideas? |
| 09:57.04 | koos | but your /proc/bus/usb is empty right? |
| 09:57.07 | claws | no |
| 09:57.17 | claws | ls /proc/bus/usb |
| 09:57.17 | claws | 001 002 003 004 devices |
| 09:57.28 | koos | oh, than it's something different :-) |
| 09:57.44 | claws | hmm, thanks anyway :) |
| 10:02.26 | eugene | claws: you sure you inserted the usb cable properly? |
| 10:02.34 | claws | yes |
| 10:03.06 | koos | btw. I recall this long thread on lkml between RH and the other distro abut CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED, does this break flashing? |
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| 10:05.19 | koos | claws:you do this as root, no? |
| 10:05.35 | claws | i tried as root when the normal user failed, yes |
| 10:05.39 | claws | both the same |
| 10:06.19 | eugene | you are supposed to do this as root.... |
| 10:06.35 | koos | btw the three points above are w/o charger |
| 10:07.15 | claws | eugene: i read that it depends what privileges a normal user has |
| 10:07.18 | eichi | my themes are totaly damaged now...icons etc..overwrited...if i want to backup all thinks to get the same as before..and reflash: what do i have to backup? home/user and source.list or? then reinstall the apps and ready? |
| 10:07.40 | claws | koos: yes, understood. and was without charger |
| 10:08.44 | eugene | eichi: http://internettabletmania.wordpress.com/2007/02/01/customizing-what-gets-backed-up-on-the-internet-tablets-workaround-for-bug-974/ |
| 10:09.46 | eugene | can't seem to find the uktube page |
| 10:15.50 | eugene | argh. download.maemo.org down? |
| 10:17.09 | eichi | eugene: this script backups very less information |
| 10:18.03 | claws | koos: i will return if i sus this out and let you know |
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| 10:23.27 | eugene | eichi: nod. |
| 10:26.58 | keesj | I have a small problem with my xmoto build, |
| 10:27.23 | keesj | the depends does not include libsdl_gfx stuff |
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| 10:27.30 | keesj | how can I fix that? |
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| 10:51.25 | eichi | eugene: nod? whats the meaing of "nod"? |
| 10:53.54 | eugene | eichi: nod == ok == nodding my head in agreement |
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| 12:35.21 | koos_ | what is the best screenshot tool for bora? |
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| 12:36.54 | `0660 | is there more than one? |
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| 12:38.27 | koos_ | `0660:what is that one? |
| 12:39.44 | `0660 | mh-shot-tool |
| 12:40.35 | `0660 | but i haven't used it |
| 12:40.45 | `0660 | it might as well be the worst screenshot tool for bora |
| 12:40.53 | `0660 | especially if it's the only one |
| 12:40.57 | `0660 | :) |
| 12:45.07 | koos_ | `0660:it's rather big, but seems to work. Doesn't append .png and worse adds a white rectangle .. |
| 12:45.54 | koos_ | `0660:so its pretty bad |
| 12:46.25 | `0660 | :/ |
| 12:46.57 | koos_ | on my n770 I had that cpu meter applet, that also did this. At least that one worked. Does that work on bora? |
| 12:47.08 | `0660 | try it? |
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| 13:33.46 | Sho_ | koos_: I also saw a 'maemo-screengrabber' somewhere |
| 13:34.16 | Sho_ | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/maemo-screengrabber |
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| 13:50.12 | koos_ | Sho_:thanks, hmm osso-screenshot-tool.. |
| 13:50.36 | eugene | where does maemo screengrabber saves the images? i can't find it |
| 13:51.02 | Sho_ | to /home/user/MyDocs/.images, I imagine |
| 13:51.18 | eugene | thanks! |
| 13:53.21 | koos_ | Sho_:yes works, great |
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| 13:56.44 | koos_ | now deinstalling mh-shot-tool only return 82kb, was 0.8Mb install |
| 13:57.28 | koos_ | .. is libsoup2.2-8 a default package? |
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| 14:17.38 | rlifchitz | hello |
| 14:17.38 | _Monkey | niihau, rlifchitz |
| 14:18.12 | eugene | _Monkey: niihau == nihao? :) |
| 14:18.12 | _Monkey | eugene: what? |
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| 14:24.07 | runehol | hi |
| 14:24.13 | runehol | does maemo use arm eabi? |
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| 14:40.05 | felipec | runehol: I think so |
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| 14:41.13 | runehol | thanks |
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| 14:46.00 | omnix | how can I tell what version of maemo I'm running? |
| 14:49.12 | Radar | tools > control panel > about product |
| 14:51.25 | omnix | I'm trying to install e2fsprog using apt-get. I have a 770 on IT2006 and the default repository is returning a 404. |
| 14:51.57 | Radar | if it's the maemo repository, I've been getting that for days now |
| 14:52.03 | omnix | from what I can tell, the files are being correctly indexed but are missing from the server. |
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| 14:52.25 | Radar | yeah, some think it might be a symlink change on the server |
| 14:53.02 | omnix | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo2.0/free/e/e2fsprogs/ |
| 14:53.21 | omnix | if I change it to maemo2.2, the same files are downloadable |
| 14:53.34 | omnix | is there a way to change my apt-get settings to grab these files instead? |
| 14:55.04 | gomiam | you want to prioritize a repository over another? |
| 14:56.26 | gomiam | using /etc/apt/preferences you may define the priority of different versions and applications |
| 14:57.06 | gomiam | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html |
| 14:57.16 | gomiam | read about pinning there, it might be useful. |
| 14:57.48 | gomiam | (unfortunately I have no Linux computer running around here right now) |
| 14:59.16 | omnix | what is the diff b/w maemo2.0 and 2.2? |
| 14:59.38 | gomiam | mostly software updates, I guess. |
| 14:59.53 | gomiam | 2.0 is mistral and 2.2 is gregale, right? |
| 15:00.32 | omnix | yeah, will gregal packages work with IT2006? |
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| 15:01.12 | gomiam | I wouldn't bet on it, omnix |
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| 15:01.24 | gomiam | mistral is a N770 distro, gregale is N800 oriented |
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| 15:02.04 | gomiam | any binary that requires extra features available on N800's Ti OLAP 2420 won't work on N770, I fear. |
| 15:02.30 | omnix | i thought N800 was bora? |
| 15:04.01 | gomiam | argh, I don't know any more. I have mistral/scirocco/gregale/bora repositories all strewn together in my sources.list |
| 15:04.15 | wumpus | yes bora is n800 |
| 15:05.00 | wumpus | gregale is latest n770 |
| 15:05.28 | gomiam | according to http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4551 wumpus is right |
| 15:05.30 | gomiam | :-) |
| 15:10.34 | felipec | Bora is the SDK for N800... Maemo 3.x |
| 15:10.56 | felipec | gomiam: s/OLAP/OMAP/ |
| 15:11.28 | omnix | is there a mirror i can use instead of the default repository? |
| 15:11.37 | gomiam | oops, wrote it from memory |
| 15:12.13 | claws | can anyone tell me how to change default apps? e.g. in the contacts popup menu, can i change which app is launched by 'New e-mail message'? |
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| 15:33.11 | disq | how do you feel about a daemon (always running, one http request in each few minutes + sqlite) being written in python? from the speed/memory standpoint i mean |
| 15:35.53 | Radar | I would like it more if I could get python to install, heh |
| 15:36.27 | omnix | is there a way for N770 to connect to a wireless upon startup? |
| 15:39.22 | `0660 | disq, i think it would be an awful waste of memory :) |
| 15:40.16 | disq | i keep trying to convince myself to that :) |
| 15:43.29 | `0660 | what would you do with this daemon? |
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| 15:47.05 | disq | check for enabledness (gconf), check for net connection, post some data from sqlite to web, update the sqlite fields, loop |
| 15:48.22 | GeneralAntilles | Since themes don't seem to be working on the new firmware, what do I need to do to edit to get my 12pt fonts back in one o f the default themes? |
| 15:48.40 | disq | they don't work? |
| 15:48.47 | GeneralAntilles | As far as I can tell. |
| 15:49.15 | GeneralAntilles | Every theme I've tried to install downloads then shows up as 0kb in Application manager |
| 15:49.19 | GeneralAntilles | Then it throws an error. |
| 15:49.34 | disq | /usr/share/themes/default/gtk-2.0/gtkrc is the file you want to edit. to create a new theme, copy /usr/share/themes/default dir as "mytheme", edit index.theme to give it a name, edit the gtkrc inside |
| 15:49.49 | disq | (using mc on ssh helps a lot) |
| 15:49.58 | GeneralAntilles | Excellent, thanks. |
| 15:50.28 | disq | you might want to not copy the images/ dir inside and symlink it to default theme's images/ instead |
| 15:50.45 | `0660 | i don't think it matters if you use python as long as the application is important enough for the user :) |
| 15:50.54 | disq | also you should delete the gtkrc.cache file so it can process the edited file generate a new cache |
| 15:51.57 | disq | i don't know much about python's memory/cpu usage, especially when it's running in background. if every web request were to spike the cpu i wouldn't want to use it |
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| 15:52.57 | disq | for foreground apps wasting memory or spiking cpu can be acceptable after all |
| 15:54.49 | `0660 | i don't think the request causes a spike |
| 15:55.48 | `0660 | if your program is something new it might be a good idea to write it with python first |
| 15:56.16 | `0660 | and if it would turn out to be non-optimal, you would always rewrite it with c |
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| 16:01.11 | disq | well I decided to skip python. I already have some C code for handling sqlite3 etc. also it would take a few hours to get myself acquainted with python and friends, not to mention daemonizing the process and all that |
| 16:01.32 | Radar | good idea |
| 16:03.40 | `0660 | true |
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| 16:43.49 | _Shurik_ | hello tableteers |
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| 16:55.28 | Blacksitox | heeeya!! |
| 16:56.02 | _Shurik_ | hello |
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| 17:12.04 | pupnik_ | are there VOIP providers that can do free calls to USA? |
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| 17:17.51 | `0660 | like completely free calls to any landline in usa? :) |
| 17:18.12 | _Shurik_ | voipbuster |
| 17:18.36 | _Shurik_ | works from PC, but I was never able to make it work from Gizmo for some reason |
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| 17:34.27 | SeRi | does any body know what is the name of the top and side toolbar in the home screen of OS2007 I am trying to replace them |
| 17:37.19 | SeRi | Konttori are you in? |
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| 17:48.20 | pupnik_ | yeah `0660 |
| 17:48.44 | pupnik_ | it could be limited to short calls too |
| 17:49.31 | `0660 | aren't all the providers dirt cheap already? :) |
| 17:49.43 | pupnik_ | i need to place about 200 calls a day |
| 17:49.56 | `0660 | hmm |
| 17:50.00 | `0660 | that's quite a lot :) |
| 17:50.02 | `0660 | why? |
| 17:50.08 | pupnik_ | polling |
| 17:50.37 | pupnik_ | push polling to be precise |
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| 17:50.53 | `0660 | why? :) |
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| 17:51.39 | pupnik_ | Well Iowa is holding a straw poll on august 11th, and only 6% of registered Iowan republicans have heard of Ron Paul, but 37% said they'd consider voting for him after they learned about his platform. |
| 17:52.20 | Radar | oh no, ron paul guerilla marketer! |
| 17:52.54 | Radar | did I stumble on to digg's IRC channel by accident? :) |
| 17:52.55 | pupnik_ | The mainstream media is blacklisting him, which pisses me off, so i'm getting involved. |
| 17:53.22 | `0660 | ok :) |
| 17:53.58 | Radar | but yeah, the media sucks.. they decide that someone doesn't have a chance, so why cover them |
| 17:54.10 | `0660 | what makes him different from all the other republican candidates? :) |
| 17:54.25 | Radar | he's actually a republican, instead of a neo-con? |
| 17:54.27 | pupnik_ | Anti-interventionist, anti war, anti drug war, strict constitutionalist. |
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| 17:55.05 | `0660 | anti-everything? :) |
| 17:55.28 | Radar | republican was the party for small government, fical-conservatism, etc.. it was taken over by the neo-cons and the religious right |
| 17:55.32 | pupnik_ | Pro Liberty. Pro Rule of Law. Pro Constitution. Pro Privacy. Pro Internet. Pro Economic Freedom. |
| 17:55.35 | pupnik_ | right |
| 17:56.00 | pupnik_ | Oh and a big one - pro states' rights. No federal laws not mandated by the constitution (drug laws, abortion laws etc) |
| 17:56.09 | Radar | basically it used to be what the libertarians are now, heh |
| 17:56.18 | pupnik_ | Yep basically |
| 17:57.04 | Radar | doesn't help when they keep putting up fruitcake candidate like badnarik |
| 17:57.13 | `0660 | so the states would be free to have their own abortion laws? |
| 17:57.17 | pupnik_ | He recently drew 1000+ supporters to hear him speak in iowa. 6 Other republican candidates drew only 600. And RP had only one week's advance notice. |
| 17:57.20 | pupnik_ | Right `0660 |
| 17:57.26 | Radar | although badnarik endorses ron paul |
| 17:57.49 | pupnik_ | Radar, basically you have to be a billionaire to run as a 3rd party candidate or independent. |
| 17:58.30 | soothsayer | He's 71 years old |
| 17:59.00 | `0660 | how about global warming? would the states be free to decide about that too? |
| 17:59.16 | Radar | yeah, he's one of the few republicans old enough to remember republicans, heh |
| 18:00.03 | pupnik_ | As far as airborne pollution goes, the constitution allows the federal government to regulate it under the Interstate Commerce Clause (as far as I can tell) |
| 18:00.07 | Radar | that's one of the fun parts of state rights.. you either have to let them have full control or none at all |
| 18:00.39 | Radar | personally I think the concepts of "states" are an outdated concept, but until the constitution is changed, they should have full rights |
| 18:00.56 | Radar | that pesky constitution and all |
| 18:01.11 | pupnik | I disagree, i think a heterogenous group of social policies allows for competition. |
| 18:02.10 | Radar | I take it a step further and call countries an outdated concept too.. doesn't matter where you live.. once you get past the nationalistic pride and tradition, there's no point! |
| 18:03.01 | pupnik | Globalist tyranny will not be stable without complete destruction of human rights. |
| 18:03.26 | Radar | I am fine with that, as long as I am in charge! |
| 18:03.34 | pupnik | Monoculture society is as instable as monoculture farming. |
| 18:03.47 | pupnik | An ecosystem is more resilient |
| 18:04.07 | Radar | it won't happen until/unless the entire planet comes under threat from an outside force |
| 18:04.19 | Radar | human nature |
| 18:05.17 | Radar | most americans don't really want human rights.. they say they do, but what they really want is for their every need to be taken care of and told what to do |
| 18:05.37 | Radar | as long as american idol is on, they are happy |
| 18:05.43 | koos_ | cool he http://kmplayer.garage.maemo.org/flash.png |
| 18:06.04 | Radar | neat |
| 18:06.34 | Radar | looks like I have kmplayer back on mine |
| 18:06.36 | koos_ | only those inline for eg. planet.xxx.org don't work yet (get undefined in the uri's |
| 18:07.18 | koos_ | Radar: thanks, but wait until released |
| 18:07.37 | Radar | uktube is what I'm missing mainly right now |
| 18:08.02 | `0660 | it comes bundled with ukmp |
| 18:08.07 | koos_ | I simply implemented an NPP loader and use the default libflash |
| 18:08.29 | Radar | I can't install ukmp yet, due to python not installing |
| 18:12.45 | `0660 | strange |
| 18:13.12 | `0660 | i installed ukmp first and started to wonder about the python only after it did'nt start |
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| 18:13.25 | `0660 | and then i installed the python from downloads.maemo.org |
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| 18:16.24 | Markov | pupnik: global tyranny would be stable with minimal human rights (ie/ the right to self-preservation and possibly the preservation of select others) |
| 18:17.07 | Radar | mine fails because it can't find repository.maemor.org/extras/pool/bora/free/p/python* |
| 18:17.58 | gomiam | maemor.org? |
| 18:18.02 | gomiam | that's a new one |
| 18:18.08 | Radar | heh, typo |
| 18:18.19 | gomiam | :-P |
| 18:18.45 | Radar | says "Failed to fetch" about 10 files |
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| 18:20.18 | `0660 | strange |
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| 18:22.15 | soothsayer | What is the advantage of UKTube exactly? |
| 18:22.31 | gomiam | soothsayer: actually... little to none |
| 18:22.40 | gomiam | it downloads videos right |
| 18:22.41 | Radar | save videos, fullscreen playback, umm.. |
| 18:22.50 | gomiam | but it won't play them correctly after a while |
| 18:22.51 | gomiam | :-( |
| 18:22.54 | gomiam | at least some of them |
| 18:23.05 | Radar | it was about the only way to actually get youtube videos to play until the latest update |
| 18:23.29 | gomiam | my diagnostics point to mplayer getting messed with by the different rate in the video stream and the overall container |
| 18:23.40 | `0660 | it plays the videos a lot faster than the flash plugin at least |
| 18:24.04 | gomiam | `0660: that's true |
| 18:24.22 | gomiam | `0660: do you have it installed? |
| 18:24.29 | `0660 | yesh |
| 18:24.31 | `0660 | yeah |
| 18:24.35 | `0660 | came with ukmp |
| 18:24.38 | gomiam | hold on, I'm going to send you an URL |
| 18:24.57 | `0660 | which i installed because the default media player couldn't handle id3 tags correctly :) |
| 18:24.58 | gomiam | http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=q-K8x4x4i68 |
| 18:25.04 | Radar | hmm.. I have an ncurses-bin installed that is 0k and won't seem to uninstall |
| 18:25.43 | gomiam | `0660: that video doesn't play correctly for me |
| 18:26.29 | gomiam | at least not in UKTube |
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| 18:27.03 | `0660 | seems to be out of sync with me too |
| 18:27.25 | `0660 | hmm |
| 18:27.27 | `0660 | actually it is |
| 18:27.41 | gomiam | yup, it looks like Youtube messed with the container data to drive mplayer nuts |
| 18:28.06 | `0660 | better check it with pc as well :) |
| 18:28.22 | gomiam | I've checked it |
| 18:28.32 | gomiam | The Youtube page plays it right |
| 18:28.36 | gomiam | so does VideoLAN |
| 18:28.44 | gomiam | VirtualDub doesn't even know what to do with it |
| 18:28.49 | `0660 | yeah |
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| 18:29.02 | gomiam | and Media Player Classic has the same problems as mplayer |
| 18:29.24 | gomiam | now, if only I could configure VLC to generate a correct MPG |
| 18:30.42 | `0660 | well, we'll just have to wait another year for the mplayer codecs to improve :) |
| 18:31.32 | gomiam | if only there was a way to tell mplayer to ignore the container fps rate |
| 18:31.53 | gomiam | perhaps I can extract the audio and the video to different files and then mash them up again |
| 18:32.12 | gomiam | but that's a test for another time. Right now I'm going into the Big Blue Room |
| 18:32.13 | `0660 | is it so important for you to be able to play that with n800? :) |
| 18:32.34 | gomiam | `0660: well, it's easier to carry around than my laptop |
| 18:33.09 | `0660 | so you need to carry that clip around with you? :) |
| 18:33.19 | gomiam | it's not like I will drop and die if I don't carry those clips |
| 18:33.28 | gomiam | but it makes for a nice ice breaker with some gals :-P |
| 18:33.33 | `0660 | :) |
| 18:34.54 | gomiam | ttyl |
| 18:34.55 | gomiam | bye |
| 18:36.09 | pupnik | i have found that also |
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| 18:40.55 | Biagi | http://biagi.miniville.fr/sec |
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| 19:23.17 | cy- | So did we ever end up getting a new firmware update? |
| 19:24.56 | gla55_ | couple of days ago |
| 19:25.10 | cy- | doooope |
| 19:25.16 | cy- | does it include Skype ? |
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| 19:25.32 | cy- | "video and flash performance and quality" |
| 19:25.39 | cy- | so can we watch youtube yet? :P |
| 19:25.58 | cy- | Uhhh |
| 19:26.00 | cy- | v. 3.2007.10-7 |
| 19:26.09 | cy- | hmmm, I thought that's what I was running already |
| 19:26.25 | cy- | (I don't have my n800 handy, it's upstairs charging) |
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| 19:31.15 | gla55_ | cy: apparently youtube is okayish once it has finished loading |
| 19:31.24 | gla55_ | i don't have a n800 myself.. |
| 19:32.17 | cy- | I'm checking out the internettablettalk forums right now and I don't see anything indicating a new firmware update |
| 19:32.39 | cy- | or any "reviews" on the new update if you will |
| 19:32.40 | cy- | Heh |
| 19:32.56 | gla55_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:33.16 | gla55_ | theres most of the beef there |
| 19:33.55 | cy- | Thanks man |
| 19:41.57 | milhouse | cy - plenty of threads on ITT discussing the new firmware! ;) quite a few problems, probably best not to restore a backup and it has a tendency to self harm SD cards :( |
| 19:43.13 | cy- | oh man |
| 19:43.14 | cy- | :( |
| 19:43.15 | cy- | Bummer |
| 19:43.24 | cy- | I still want some Flash9 action though :P |
| 19:43.38 | cy- | I could care less about skype, I need a real SIP/IAX2 client. Grrr |
| 19:44.26 | milhouse | I think it's OK as long as you don't restore a bakcup (this cocks up existing themes) and you may want to pull any precious SD/SDHC cards until Nokia explain what the fck is going on with cards dieing |
| 19:44.58 | milhouse | Opera seems a bit flackier than usual, often crashes on youtube... some users report problems accessing certain sites. |
| 19:46.09 | cy- | ugh |
| 19:46.21 | cy- | well, I'll probably flash it tonight then I guess |
| 19:46.23 | cy- | Might as well |
| 19:46.31 | cy- | And I won't be restoring a backup, so that's fine |
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| 19:55.31 | ttuttle | Hey, how's Hacker? |
| 19:58.23 | pupnik | i'm doing well, thank you |
| 19:59.16 | ttuttle | lol |
| 20:03.58 | suihkulokki | milhouse: afaik the SDHC code is same as in the unofficial SDHC kernel images people built before.. did people have problems with them? |
| 20:04.11 | milhouse | not to this extent |
| 20:05.02 | milhouse | that could be due to more people now using SDHC cards (who refused or didn't want to patch their old system) but some who (such as me) who had no problems with the old patch have been bit by the new code |
| 20:05.26 | milhouse | the old patch was solid with no problems, the new code less so |
| 20:06.24 | milhouse | according to fanoush on the mailing list, nokia have capped the MMC clock in the upgrade to 24MHz (the 3.2007 patch went as high as 48Mhz) in order to circumvent the filesystem corruption, but it doesn't seem to have helped so i wonder if they tweaked something else as well? |
| 20:07.21 | milhouse | quite a few people now have dead - as in usuable on any platform - cards following the upgrade |
| 20:07.33 | milhouse | s/uusuable/unusable/ |
| 20:08.15 | milhouse | Nokia need to step in and explain soon as this is potentially hitting people in the pocket |
| 20:09.43 | sambo357 | Question: Can anyone recommend a good bluetooth keyboard? |
| 20:09.55 | ttuttle | milhouse: /me stares at the lack of firmware for his 770... |
| 20:10.07 | milhouse | that's on it's way - nokia have said so... |
| 20:10.29 | milhouse | http://maemo.org/news/view/1183720952.html |
| 20:10.57 | milhouse | no idea "when", of course |
| 20:12.21 | ericz_ | ttuttle, looks like we got 770s right as they're starting to go unsupported |
| 20:12.44 | milhouse | that happened back in january! |
| 20:13.01 | ericz_ | doh |
| 20:13.34 | ttuttle | ericz_: Yes, I sorta knew about it, but I bought it anyway. |
| 20:13.36 | milhouse | "unsupported" in the sense of no further official, supported firmware but there will be ongoing unofficial firmware - since you got very little official software support from Nokia anyway I see this makes no big difference as long as the unofficial software materialises |
| 20:14.06 | ttuttle | milhouse: It's more of the fact that I'd like them to let someone spend the few hours per release it would take to compile things for the 770 too. |
| 20:14.29 | milhouse | i think they're going to try and do that |
| 20:14.32 | ttuttle | milhouse: Besides, the effort they put in to keeping these two platforms running at once will benefit them, becase when they come out with the N900, and the N1000, and whatever comes nexet, it'll be more modular. |
| 20:14.43 | ttuttle | milhouse: Er, where is 2007 for 770 then? Hacker doesn't count, because it's not supported. |
| 20:15.04 | ttuttle | milhouse: I mean, I appreciate their effort, but it's not being maintained in a very elegant way. It's more like patchwork. |
| 20:15.09 | milhouse | ok answer me this - what happened when you had a software problem with OS 2006? |
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| 20:15.23 | ttuttle | milhouse: Dunno, I flashed to 2007 Hacker right after I got it ;-) |
| 20:15.26 | milhouse | did you phone nokia support and get any assitance? |
| 20:15.35 | ttuttle | milhouse: I've considered it. |
| 20:15.40 | ttuttle | milhouse: (Just to make a point.) |
| 20:15.42 | milhouse | you'd be wasting your time :) |
| 20:15.59 | milhouse | which is why there will be little difference between OS 2006 and OS 2007 HE in terms of support |
| 20:16.04 | ttuttle | milhouse: Okay. |
| 20:16.08 | ttuttle | milhouse: That's a decent argument. |
| 20:16.15 | milhouse | there may be less QA performed on OS 2007 HE, but we'll have to see how that pans out |
| 20:16.25 | ttuttle | milhouse: But there are some things that can't be easily glued together. Skype, for example. |
| 20:16.27 | ericz_ | im too nervous to flash my 770 ;/ even if it is nokia-supported firmware |
| 20:16.33 | ttuttle | ericz_: Oh, just do it. |
| 20:16.44 | ericz_ | haha |
| 20:16.59 | milhouse | Due to the more limited hardware capabilities of the 770, and in some cases due to licensing issues (Opera + Flash) Nokia have stated that some software won't be available |
| 20:17.01 | ericz_ | this works well enough though |
| 20:17.23 | ttuttle | milhouse: Mmm, someone at Maemo should get Minimo working well. |
| 20:17.31 | milhouse | the main thing is to get OS 2007 on 770 so that it's compatible with the majority of community software |
| 20:18.17 | ttuttle | milhouse: I'd probably forgive them if they gave us the Skype codec, as that would mean they're willing to backport things if needed. |
| 20:18.24 | ttuttle | milhouse: Of course, licensing is another thing, |
| 20:18.58 | milhouse | That would be down to Skype to support the old CPU in the 770 - if they've used floating point in their codec for instance, you've got practically no chance of Skype appearing on 770 (it has no floating point hardware) |
| 20:19.38 | milhouse | I think with Skype on 770 the attitude may be "if it works then bonus, but if not we did warn you" |
| 20:20.08 | ttuttle | milhouse: I heard the same problem with Ogg support on one of my old iRiver players. It took 'em a while, but they developed a fixed-point Ogg codec. |
| 20:20.31 | milhouse | right, but that's someone doing it in their own free time - who will pay Skype to do it? |
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| 20:20.47 | ericz_ | ogg is more open than skype |
| 20:20.53 | ttuttle | milhouse: Er, that wasn't. It was iRiver. |
| 20:20.53 | ericz_ | ...by far |
| 20:21.27 | ttuttle | milhouse: It was the same kind of situation. They were just barely supporting an old product, and they had come out with a killer feature (Ogg support) for a newer device, and everyone wanted it. So they went to the effort to backport it. |
| 20:21.44 | milhouse | ttuttle: fair enough, that was their decision to support their hardware. Skype have no real need or interest in supporting the 770 |
| 20:22.05 | ttuttle | milhouse: Mmm, but isn't it to Skype's advantage to have more users? |
| 20:22.21 | milhouse | a few more thousand for how much work? |
| 20:22.23 | suihkulokki | The lovely propiertary software everyone wants... |
| 20:22.46 | ericz_ | how many users do they gain by supporting the 770..really? |
| 20:22.48 | ttuttle | milhouse: I don't know. But iRiver got *no* benefit from it, besides goodwill. |
| 20:22.53 | milhouse | if it works straight off the bat then I think you'll see Skype on 770, but if it requires a rewrite or lots of redevelopment forget it |
| 20:23.17 | milhouse | only time will tell :) |
| 20:23.36 | milhouse | i wouldn't rule it out, but don't bank on it - which is what Nokia are saying in the link above |
| 20:23.36 | ttuttle | milhouse: Even text chat or a crappy codec would be nice. |
| 20:23.47 | suihkulokki | flash9 is also much bigger than (6MB vs 2MB flash7) so it will unlikely do anything good for the 770 browsing experience |
| 20:24.49 | ttuttle | They should sell a FPU for the 770 ;-) |
| 20:24.57 | milhouse | Watching a YouTube video with Flash 9 on my N800 consumes ~85% CPU... I doubt it would work on a 770 even assuming it doesn't use floating point |
| 20:25.03 | ttuttle | milhouse: It doesn't work. |
| 20:25.32 | ttuttle | milhouse: I tried it with some other video, and it just chokes. |
| 20:25.39 | ttuttle | milhouse: About 1/2 sec of video every 2-3 sec. |
| 20:25.46 | milhouse | Ttutle: Flash 7 on 770 or Flash 9 on N800? |
| 20:26.00 | suihkulokki | ttuttle: remember 387 :) |
| 20:26.05 | ttuttle | milhouse: Flash 7 (I think) on 770. |
| 20:26.09 | ttuttle | suihkulokki: Yeah, exactly ;-) |
| 20:26.34 | milhouse | yeah, youtube does not play well on 770 - flash on 770 is only good for adverts, maybe the odd game |
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| 20:31.58 | samiam010203 | for the 770 and youtube, check this out http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/ |
| 20:32.10 | samiam010203 | i use it all the time and it works well |
| 20:36.49 | omnix | has anyone had problems with the maemo bluetooth plugin? |
| 20:36.58 | omnix | my 770 keeps rebooting after pairing with my bt keyboard |
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| 20:46.43 | XCOM7 | does any body know what is the name of the top and side toolbar in the home screen of OS2007 I am trying to replace them |
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| 20:48.21 | milhouse | Top is the Status Bar |
| 20:48.22 | SeRi | any body? |
| 20:48.30 | SeRi | hey milhouse |
| 20:48.34 | milhouse | Left is the Navigation bar, I think |
| 20:48.35 | milhouse | hi |
| 20:48.45 | milhouse | or possibly Task Bar |
| 20:49.04 | SeRi | Mhhhh let me see |
| 20:49.11 | milhouse | oh, if you want programatic names - I've no idea! :) |
| 20:49.40 | SeRi | I am SeRiAlDiE at internettablttalk |
| 20:49.42 | SeRi | :) |
| 20:50.22 | milhouse | hello there :) |
| 20:50.53 | SeRi | hey... :) |
| 20:51.04 | SeRi | Trying to customize my theme :) |
| 20:53.33 | SeRi | Milhouse |
| 20:53.36 | SeRi | qgn_plat_home_status_bar_background.png |
| 20:53.43 | SeRi | Thats the one for the top? |
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| 20:54.44 | milhouse | i would say "yes" |
| 20:55.26 | SeRi | there si several ones so I am going to reca all with status bar |
| 20:55.34 | SeRi | replace* |
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| 21:01.57 | coderanger_pad | How do i hide deleted IMAP messages in claws? |
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| 21:43.31 | Halo9 | hi guys how you all doing |
| 21:44.23 | Halo9 | can anyone help me with kismet on my n800 |
| 21:45.27 | megabyte405 | Halo9: search internettablettalk.com for info on Kismet on N800 |
| 21:45.46 | megabyte405 | Short answer: it kind of works - it will randomly work great, and randomly (more commonly) stop updating after a few seconds |
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| 21:48.45 | Halo9 | i have its another issue saying unknown interface wlan01 and permlssion denied |
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| 21:52.55 | Halo9 | anyone |
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| 21:58.25 | imthefrizzlefr1 | anyone here using a jabber transport to view aim contacts on their 770? |
| 21:58.34 | gomiam | not me |
| 21:58.40 | gomiam | but it should be doable |
| 21:58.48 | gomiam | I have known of people doing it. |
| 21:59.18 | imthefrizzlefr1 | yea, it's working with msn, yahoo and IRC for me, but I can't see anyone as being online... I can hear, but not talk... |
| 21:59.29 | gomiam | ! |
| 21:59.43 | gomiam | ok, try to add gomiam@hotmail.com to your MSN |
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| 21:59.51 | gomiam | and let's see if you see me |
| 22:00.32 | gomiam | or tell me your MSN address and I'll try to add you. |
| 22:02.07 | pupnik | Speak softly and carry a big trout. |
| 22:03.41 | gomiam | imthefrizzlefr1: I'm IMing you through MSN. Do my messages get to you? |
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| 22:06.40 | gomiam | disconnected... |
| 22:06.58 | pupnik | Halo9: there's a kismet configuration file under /etc where i think you can set the interface. I don't have a n800 though sorry |
| 22:07.06 | gomiam | imthefrizzlefr1: please tell me whether you get notified of the disconnection :-) |
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| 22:07.45 | gomiam | reconnecting... |
| 22:09.19 | Halo9 | pupnik; thank you do you understand the error? |
| 22:09.34 | pupnik | well there are names for interfaces |
| 22:10.17 | pupnik | like wlan0 and stuff |
| 22:10.32 | pupnik | if you run ifconfig command you can see your interfaces |
| 22:11.50 | pupnik | on the 770 there's a lo interface for loopback and a wlan0 interface for the wifi |
| 22:13.11 | pupnik | but i would expect that the kismet package for the N800 would have the interface set-up correctly already |
| 22:13.25 | pupnik | so i don't know what the problem is |
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| 22:19.14 | gomiam | pupnik: kismet works on my N800, without needing any extra configuration |
| 22:22.52 | pupnik | oh Halo9 quit... oh well |
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| 22:36.28 | Andy80_ | hi |
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