| 00:00.30 | cnc | ttuttle: is this a common thing? |
| 00:00.57 | cnc | having to restart it every 2 hours or so |
| 00:01.14 | milhouse | definately not common |
| 00:01.24 | milhouse | what version are you running by the way? |
| 00:01.33 | milhouse | firmware on the 770? |
| 00:01.44 | cnc | the 770 is 2006, 49-2 if i remember correctly |
| 00:01.47 | cnc | lemme check |
| 00:02.20 | cnc | yep, 2006.49-2 |
| 00:02.36 | ttuttle | cnc: Not quite that often. |
| 00:02.38 | milhouse | k that is the latest 770 firmware - 49-2 didn't fix much but it did fix some wifi related reboots |
| 00:03.31 | cnc | ok, probably a hardware thing then |
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| 00:04.21 | milhouse | possibly, if you can get a replacement then do so otherwise try bugzilla |
| 00:04.51 | cnc | Due to manufacturers' policies, Buy.com cannot accept returns on this item for any reason. The manufacturer will handle all exchanges and replacements. |
| 00:04.55 | cnc | ahh |
| 00:05.14 | cnc | im going to end up with a refurb |
| 00:05.15 | cnc | lol |
| 00:06.25 | milhouse | in that case you might as well kick off a bugzilla entry and see if nokia can fix it in software (which helps everyone else) or ship it back to nokia |
| 00:06.58 | cnc | yeah, but i cant provide any technical details |
| 00:07.04 | cnc | the wifi just goes blind until restart |
| 00:07.10 | cnc | completely random im guessing |
| 00:08.47 | milhouse | cnc - sure you can, start with the description of the problem and the hardware details (your 770 and firmware level, your router and firmware level) then see what Nokia come back with. They may ask you to run some commands on a command line (xterm etc.) and paste back the results |
| 00:08.53 | milhouse | they don't bite either :) |
| 00:09.09 | cnc | do you need root for xterm? |
| 00:09.13 | milhouse | it's a dialog so they'll ask you to supply any info they need and if you don't know how they'll explain |
| 00:09.20 | milhouse | xterm: yes |
| 00:09.32 | milhouse | install either "becomeroot" or put your device into R&D mode |
| 00:09.49 | cnc | dang, i was hoping to skip those tutorials |
| 00:09.52 | cnc | back to the drawing board =x |
| 00:09.59 | milhouse | becomeroot is probably easiest - should be listed in the application manager |
| 00:10.26 | ericz_ | ssh is easy way to get root |
| 00:10.55 | milhouse | you need root to install ssh :) |
| 00:11.37 | ericz_ | no, the dropbear package on maemo.org works, install tht |
| 00:12.06 | milhouse | some people seem to have trouble with dropbear while open ssh is a lot less troublesome |
| 00:12.32 | ericz_ | dropbear was fine for me :) |
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| 00:13.56 | rhys | what is dropbear? |
| 00:13.58 | rhys | ssh? |
| 00:14.13 | milhouse | dropbear is a version of ssh designed for devices with small amounts of memory |
| 00:14.51 | milhouse | it's a bit smaller than the open ssh package, but the 770/N800 have enough memory to run the full fat version |
| 00:18.49 | rhys | I want the n800 to boot off the internal SD card whenever its there, but off the flash when it cant find it |
| 00:19.04 | rhys | the "boot menu" doesnt seem to be what i want |
| 00:23.03 | rwhitby | you should be able to code that test in the script |
| 00:23.14 | milhouse | rhys: bootmenu should do that for you |
| 00:23.38 | milhouse | i think you can set the default boot device, by default it's internal flash but you should be able to set mmc1 |
| 00:23.53 | milhouse | search the ITT forum for details |
| 00:23.59 | milhouse | it's been discussed in the past |
| 00:24.02 | rhys | milhouse, arent they named mmc0 and mmc2? |
| 00:24.23 | rhys | milhouse, ok then.. |
| 00:24.24 | milhouse | er, probably - yes you're right |
| 00:24.28 | rwhitby | not on my n800 |
| 00:24.33 | rwhitby | mmc1 and mmc2 |
| 00:24.43 | rhys | oh. kk then |
| 00:24.48 | rwhitby | the device names are 0 and 1, the mount points are 1 and 2 |
| 00:24.53 | milhouse | err, what rwhitby says - don't listen to me |
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| 00:27.54 | Dr_Nunim | Got a link for that default boot device info? |
| 00:28.06 | milhouse | no |
| 00:28.09 | Dr_Nunim | :( |
| 00:28.17 | milhouse | check the MMC threads |
| 00:28.24 | milhouse | where they discuss booting etc. |
| 00:34.05 | cnc | k, put in a bugzilla |
| 00:34.29 | ericz | ttuttle, am enjoying it :P finally got telnet. |
| 00:34.39 | milhouse | cnc - good man, that way it will help everyone |
| 00:34.52 | cnc | no clue what half the terms they asked were, but hopefully someone competant with linux will have solved the problem hehe |
| 00:36.47 | milhouse | the Alias box is for internal Nokia bug tracking, should have left it blank but that's OK :) |
| 00:37.09 | cnc | whoops, thought they wanted my name there |
| 00:37.11 | cnc | lol |
| 00:37.14 | milhouse | lol |
| 00:51.01 | ttuttle | ericz: nice |
| 00:51.55 | ericz | is there a way to add more than just AccuRadio HitKast to the home radio applet? |
| 00:52.43 | ericz | ttuttle, you're running hacker 2007, right? any major coolness that would make me go nuts? |
| 00:52.58 | ttuttle | ericz: Yeah, it's got some UI improvements, it's a little faster. |
| 00:53.13 | ericz | ah, did you get a 2gb card? |
| 00:53.15 | ttuttle | ericz: You can do OBEX PUSH, and you can make it Bluetooth-visible. |
| 00:53.17 | ttuttle | ericz: Not yet. |
| 00:53.26 | ericz | i don't have anything bluetooth anyway :/ |
| 00:53.45 | ttuttle | ericz: There's other stuff too, I forget. |
| 00:53.50 | ttuttle | ericz: Oh, the browser has newer Flash. |
| 00:54.26 | ericz | are dialogs for things still like 6-7 deep in the menu, just to remove a connection? |
| 00:54.40 | goat | anyone using openvpn in here? |
| 00:54.48 | ttuttle | ericz: What things? |
| 00:54.58 | ericz | the dialog to remove a wifi connection, it's like.. |
| 00:55.17 | ericz | 6 or 7 menus/dialogs/clicks deep |
| 00:56.05 | ttuttle | ericz: Applications > Tools > Control Panel > Connectivity > Connections > (pick connection) > Delete > Delete (confirm). 8 clicks. |
| 00:56.14 | ericz | Menu > Tools > Connection Manager > Tools > Connectivity Manager > Connections > Delete, ya |
| 00:57.19 | ttuttle | ericz: The Connection Manager seems redundant. |
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| 01:02.22 | rwhitby | ericz: it's clear that Nokia didn't have the '3 clicks maximum to every operation' person that Palm had ... |
| 01:02.32 | ericz | i guess not :/ |
| 01:04.27 | ttuttle | rwhitby: That's a cool idea. |
| 01:05.32 | ericz | you've got to be able to add radio stations to the home radio applet, right? |
| 01:05.36 | rwhitby | ttuttle: there was a senior person at Palm who mandated that for the PalmOS interface. |
| 01:05.59 | ericz | i'll edit some file in ssh, i don't mind.. i need more than AccuRadio HitKast |
| 01:06.16 | rwhitby | ericz: http://www.rwhitby.net/blog/n800/changing-internet-radio-channel-name.html |
| 01:06.42 | rwhitby | you can add them in the Media Player, but can't change them without editing the file directly. |
| 01:06.53 | ericz | i've got a 770, will be similar? |
| 01:08.11 | ericz | that folder's not on 770 |
| 01:10.06 | Dr_Nunim | The n800 has infrared right? |
| 01:10.28 | JussiP | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:10.36 | Dr_Nunim | :( |
| 01:10.38 | Dr_Nunim | Hrm. |
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| 01:19.41 | rhys | why 4 partitions to the internal carD? |
| 01:20.59 | milhouse | why do you ask? |
| 01:21.22 | milhouse | if you're discussing dual booting, two is probably the minimu m |
| 01:21.33 | milhouse | s/minimu m/minimum/ |
| 01:21.50 | rhys | :) |
| 01:21.57 | milhouse | the first being FAT and the second ext2 or ext3 |
| 01:21.58 | rhys | fooking bots. |
| 01:22.28 | milhouse | i like infobot, just a shame you can't teach it |
| 01:22.49 | rhys | why the 4 though? |
| 01:22.57 | milhouse | we use IRC at work, and you can train the channel bots (they're called _monkey rather than infobot_) |
| 01:23.10 | milhouse | i think that was the authors preference |
| 01:23.44 | milhouse | as i say, the minimum you need is 2 - the first partition should be fat so that you can mount it in windows, and the second partition is where you copy your OS |
| 01:23.52 | milhouse | any partitions after that don't matter |
| 01:24.07 | milhouse | so on a 2GB card, I'd create 1.5GB FAT and 512MB ext |
| 01:24.12 | milhouse | s/ext/ext2 |
| 01:24.37 | milhouse | test |
| 01:24.45 | milhouse | s/est/esticles/ |
| 01:24.46 | rhys | why create the FAT at all? |
| 01:24.53 | milhouse | so you can mount it in windows |
| 01:25.00 | milhouse | should you want to transfer data etc |
| 01:25.00 | rhys | i dont use windows though.. |
| 01:25.03 | rhys | oh |
| 01:25.18 | milhouse | also i think bootmenu is coded by default to boot from partition 2 |
| 01:26.06 | rhys | oh. ill make sure to remember that. |
| 01:26.17 | rhys | i have a 4gb external card |
| 01:26.23 | milhouse | i think the tablet may only mount p1 as vfat so if you create p1 using another filesystem the first parition may not auto mount - just a hunch though |
| 01:27.00 | milhouse | fine, use whatever ratios you are comfortable with - you only need about 256MB max for the parition you boot from |
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| 01:27.35 | rhys | do the apps go on the vfat? |
| 01:27.51 | milhouse | no, they go on the partition you have booted from |
| 01:28.16 | milhouse | so if you boot from internal flash they are installed on internal flash... if you boot from external mmc partition 2, thats where they are installed |
| 01:28.53 | rhys | hm. so from a 2gb card, 1.5vfat partition 1, 512mbext2 partition 2. |
| 01:28.54 | milhouse | you could create a 1GB second partition giving you tons of room to install apps, but my experience is that filesystem will corrupt itself long before you fill it! ;) |
| 01:29.08 | milhouse | yeah 1.5/.5 should work fine |
| 01:31.50 | ttuttle | test |
| 01:31.58 | ttuttle | s/test/$_ |
| 01:32.04 | ttuttle | hmm... |
| 01:32.09 | ttuttle | s/hmm/foo |
| 01:32.09 | milhouse | needs a trailing / |
| 01:32.12 | ttuttle | ah |
| 01:32.15 | ttuttle | test |
| 01:32.17 | ttuttle | s/test/foo/ |
| 01:32.21 | ttuttle | test |
| 01:32.24 | ttuttle | s/test/$_ |
| 01:32.28 | ttuttle | s/test/$_/ |
| 01:32.35 | ttuttle | test |
| 01:32.38 | ttuttle | s/test/\1/ |
| 01:32.41 | ttuttle | hmm, well written. |
| 01:32.47 | ttuttle | s/ / /g |
| 01:32.53 | ttuttle | ah-HA! |
| 01:34.33 | ttuttle | test |
| 01:34.34 | ttuttle | s/foo/bar |
| 01:34.38 | ttuttle | s/test/foo |
| 01:34.42 | ttuttle | s/foo/foo |
| 01:34.44 | ericz | you keep missing that trailing / |
| 01:34.45 | ttuttle | test |
| 01:34.46 | ttuttle | yeah |
| 01:34.47 | ttuttle | test |
| 01:34.50 | ttuttle | s/foo/bar/ |
| 01:35.00 | ttuttle | test |
| 01:35.03 | ttuttle | s/test/foo/ |
| 01:35.10 | ericz | s///// |
| 01:35.19 | ttuttle | ericz: Gimme a sec. |
| 01:35.26 | ttuttle | infobot_: s/foo is foo |
| 01:35.30 | ttuttle | infobot_: what is s/foo? |
| 01:35.40 | ttuttle | hmm... |
| 01:35.47 | ttuttle | I'm trying to get it to replace its own text. |
| 01:35.59 | ttuttle | infobot_: say foo |
| 01:36.02 | ttuttle | !say foo |
| 01:36.13 | ttuttle | hmm. |
| 01:36.17 | ttuttle | infobot_ say foo |
| 01:36.48 | milhouse | factoids: iPhone is overrated |
| 01:36.55 | milhouse | bah |
| 01:36.59 | ttuttle | lol |
| 01:37.04 | ttuttle | does it do anything in the channel? |
| 01:37.16 | ttuttle | foo is bar |
| 01:37.18 | ttuttle | what is foo? |
| 01:37.21 | milhouse | just string replacement by the looks of it |
| 01:37.43 | milhouse | shame... infobot looks like the monkey bot we have at work, but it's not configured to learn anything here |
| 01:38.09 | milhouse | there's a Unix/Linux support channel with monkey and it answers half of the support questions :) |
| 01:38.45 | ttuttle | Argh, it's set up so that it can't spit out phrases verbatim. |
| 01:38.50 | milhouse | status |
| 01:39.19 | milhouse | infobot_ status |
| 01:39.44 | ttuttle | Too bad I can't have a nick with a / in it. |
| 01:39.46 | milhouse | infobot_, status |
| 01:40.09 | ttuttle | lol |
| 01:40.17 | ttuttle | test |
| 01:40.18 | ttuttle | s//test/ |
| 01:40.25 | ttuttle | testtest |
| 01:40.26 | ttuttle | s/test/foo/ |
| 01:40.34 | ttuttle | s/ttuttle/foo |
| 01:40.44 | ttuttle | test |
| 01:40.45 | ttuttle | asdf s/test/foo/ |
| 01:41.53 | milhouse | might need to get my own Monkey on here... |
| 01:42.04 | ttuttle | Monkey? |
| 01:42.20 | milhouse | it's the same as infobot but it's what we call them at work |
| 01:42.22 | ttuttle | ah |
| 01:44.04 | ttuttle | test |
| 01:44.15 | ttuttle | Hmm, it ignores regexen in privmsgs. |
| 01:47.17 | milhouse | this seems to be blootbot not infobot |
| 01:48.23 | cnc | there a tutorial on how to get rid of a left side icon? |
| 01:49.23 | cnc | dont see any options for those, i want to get rid of that little chat/email icon |
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| 02:11.22 | milhouse | iPhone is <REPLY>overrated |
| 02:11.26 | milhouse | iPhone |
| 02:12.31 | gla55_ | iwebpad |
| 02:13.19 | Fatal | iphone is probably a nice toy and most likely a decent phone, what I don't get is the ~ZOMG!ZOMG~ hype ~ZOMG!ZOMG~ |
| 02:13.54 | gla55_ | well imagine if you had a crappy razr or something |
| 02:14.01 | gla55_ | and that was all you knew about phones |
| 02:14.06 | gla55_ | or mobile devices |
| 02:14.26 | milhouse | iPhone is known as the Jesus Phone |
| 02:14.32 | gla55_ | then someone showed that you could actually browse "real" internet with a device on palm of your hand |
| 02:14.45 | gla55_ | like, imagine being way out of the loop, OR a total apple wacko |
| 02:15.07 | gla55_ | that one video on myphonerocks was funny |
| 02:15.24 | gla55_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:20.52 | Fatal | hahahah, "i'm waiting for my boss" oh god, that's plain fucking awful :D |
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| 02:29.38 | eugene | back |
| 03:01.11 | eugene | so quiet now :) |
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| 04:11.46 | eugene | any idea where's the .ko files stored by default |
| 04:12.02 | eugene | ah ok i found it |
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| 04:20.38 | dragorn | eugene: be very very very careful messing with your initfs, if thats what you're doing |
| 04:21.02 | eugene | dragorn: is it not recoverable/reflashable if i mess it up? |
| 04:21.06 | dragorn | eugene: generally you won't be able to replace or rm/replace a module on initfs. Depending what you break, you'll throw the device into a reboot loop until you reflash the initfs |
| 04:21.17 | dragorn | it's fixable, just warning you you're going to break things : |
| 04:21.26 | eugene | gee, thanks for the tip in advanced! |
| 04:21.47 | eugene | btw, if i have a custom module, where should i dump it to and get it automatically modprobe into the kernel? |
| 04:21.51 | dragorn | see, i had this great idea I'd build the garage wifi modules and put them in the initfs |
| 04:22.06 | eugene | ah. then what happened |
| 04:22.14 | dragorn | and promptly trashed my system until I unpacked a firmware and reflashed initfs |
| 04:22.21 | eugene | nod nod |
| 04:22.24 | dragorn | since I had stuff I didn't have backed up in the user partition |
| 04:22.33 | dragorn | you can load a module from anywhere |
| 04:22.37 | dragorn | insmod /path/to/foo.ko |
| 04:22.40 | eugene | yup. |
| 04:22.46 | eugene | is there a "standard" way of getting it loaded? |
| 04:22.52 | eugene | like modprobe.conf etc |
| 04:22.58 | dragorn | not that I know of, but I haven't looked into the maemo boot scripts |
| 04:23.03 | eugene | nod |
| 04:23.08 | dragorn | you might have enough room in initfs to put 1 line to call another script |
| 04:23.21 | dragorn | though I think much of initfs happens inside a different root |
| 04:23.50 | eugene | hold on. |
| 04:23.54 | eugene | garage wifi modules? |
| 04:24.05 | eugene | WLAN cx3110x driver? |
| 04:24.17 | dragorn | yeah |
| 04:24.22 | eugene | so you were replacing the lkm in initfs and it didn't work for u? |
| 04:24.30 | dragorn | oh no it didn't :P |
| 04:24.31 | eugene | it worked for me when i do it manually |
| 04:24.35 | dragorn | the initfs jffs is very full |
| 04:24.44 | eugene | nod nod |
| 04:24.49 | eugene | 2.0M 2.0M 4.0k 100% /mnt/initfs |
| 04:24.54 | eugene | i wish there's more place in there |
| 04:24.54 | dragorn | it would work if you extracted it from the firmware flash file, and recreated it on a pc replacing that file |
| 04:25.01 | dragorn | but there isn't enough space in the initfs to replace files anymore |
| 04:25.27 | eugene | i guess u got to dump it else where like your sdcard |
| 04:25.35 | eugene | and insmod it manually or with a script |
| 04:25.43 | dragorn | you can replace it inline w/ rmmon, insmod, and a chroot to initfs to re-run the config code |
| 04:25.58 | eugene | ah |
| 04:26.10 | eugene | btw, what kind of sh is it that is found in scratchbox? |
| 04:26.20 | eugene | i haveproblems with it not being able to find binaries in a known path |
| 04:26.46 | dragorn | that's a path issue, doesn't really matter what shell |
| 04:26.58 | eugene | right. |
| 04:27.19 | eugene | i will look at that in awhile. |
| 04:27.35 | eugene | dragorn: what are you doing with your n800 nowadays :) |
| 04:27.59 | eugene | i think the ability to reflash your n800 is a great life saver and at the same time gives you the opportunity to play with things |
| 04:28.19 | dragorn | watching it sit on my desk until I have time to figure out how to rewrite my cairo code to handle the backleveled libs |
| 04:28.28 | eugene | nod nod |
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| 04:30.19 | eugene | dragorn: i haven't got the change to learn to program gui stuff yet. i should |
| 04:39.53 | dragorn | i dislike gui programming |
| 04:39.55 | dragorn | it's annoying |
| 04:41.08 | eugene | 3nod nod |
| 04:46.30 | eugene | gee did you manage to get nfs mount working ? |
| 04:48.19 | eugene | i can't seem to install nfs-common: |
| 04:48.20 | eugene | The following packages have unmet dependencies: nfs-common: Depends: adduser but it is not installable |
| 04:52.08 | dick-richardson | is there a way to add autoremove to the version of apt-get in the n800? |
| 04:53.00 | eugene | dick-richardson: you can edit /etc/apt/sources.list or use application manager to add a new repository |
| 04:53.39 | dick-richardson | yes, but how do you remove dependencies that were installed when you've removed the software that required it? |
| 04:54.53 | eugene | argh... nfs mount hung n800 |
| 04:55.09 | eugene | dick-richardson: not sure if there is deborphan there |
| 04:55.31 | dick-richardson | kk |
| 04:57.23 | dragorn | never tried nfs |
| 04:58.02 | eugene | there it goes again |
| 04:58.04 | eugene | hung |
| 04:58.05 | eugene | :) |
| 04:58.59 | eugene | oh i know why it hung now. silly me :) |
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| 05:00.40 | ChannelZ | What is the 'path of least resistance' on getting developer tools running for Maemo 2.2 (for Nokia 770)? The instructions/tutorial at maemo.org have broken links and missing or wrong information |
| 05:02.22 | eugene | gee |
| 05:02.24 | eugene | Interrupt hmm |
| 05:02.56 | eugene | heh |
| 05:03.07 | eugene | dragorn: nfs worked... but i'm using my custom kernel zImage |
| 05:03.29 | eugene | it just takes a long time to mount though |
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| 05:03.41 | eugene | ah portmap is not running |
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| 05:13.50 | KaylaKaze | ChannelZ: I've got it installed fine and it STILL doesn't work |
| 05:14.10 | ChannelZ | Hmm. how so? |
| 05:14.19 | ChannelZ | (not that I can help :) |
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| 05:15.23 | ChannelZ | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_2.2_Tutorial.html is just wrong; There's missing text (you have to look at the page source to see critical things which are in wierd HTML comments, not sure what is going on there) but the links to certain packages are dead, instructions don't match what actually occurs, etc. it's frustrating |
| 05:16.07 | ChannelZ | I'm only trying to compile some dinky CLI apps |
| 05:17.45 | KaylaKaze | One easy thing you can do is install the bora version. It has 2 scripts in the archive that pretty much autoinstall the whole thing |
| 05:18.44 | KaylaKaze | then you download the 2.2 files and scratchbox almost does all the work when you tell it to set up a new environment |
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| 05:20.12 | Dr_Nunim | Whoever fixed the maemo.org repository will get a cookie. |
| 05:21.49 | ChannelZ | Well I've gotten as far as getting scratchbox installed and I think working, and the i386 stuff of the maemo junk. |
| 05:22.17 | eugene | i wish ls has colours :) |
| 05:23.13 | ChannelZ | Where things get confusing is how to build a binary for the device it's self, and this QEMU stuff |
| 05:23.33 | KaylaKaze | I didn't mess with qenu |
| 05:23.51 | eugene | gee. there's no make deb? |
| 05:23.54 | ChannelZ | Is it not a requirement? |
| 05:24.24 | KaylaKaze | I don't know. the 386 part never worked ebough for me ro bother with it |
| 05:24.57 | KaylaKaze | I don't think it's needed. Laika doesb't say anything about needing it |
| 05:25.33 | ChannelZ | well this tutorial says you either need to use it, or to use the actual device to cross-compile.. but then doesn't explain any of that or what any of it means. |
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| 05:26.41 | KaylaKaze | well, if that's true, the devs are morons. There's no real reason you need the actual CPU or an emulator to compile except for imcompetence of the initial developers. |
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| 05:30.12 | ChannelZ | I dunno, I just am having a hard time mostly due to lack of frame of reference, I think. I'm new to this stuff and it seems like the information I've found so far leaves out so much stuff, possibly because it assumes you know other things already. |
| 05:30.59 | ChannelZ | This tutorial seems like is needed except that it appears to be largely incorrect - in spite of the fact that I'm using versions of things it's recommending. |
| 05:31.42 | ChannelZ | I'm going to try installing a Debian box and using their prepackaged scratchbox packages and see if I can get further without banging my head against the wall. |
| 05:33.04 | eugene | woohoo |
| 05:33.10 | eugene | n800 rebooted. kernel panic. |
| 05:33.49 | Dr_Nunim | Ooh, I love kernel panic. |
| 05:34.03 | eugene | i'm working on some stuff |
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| 05:36.34 | eugene | any idea how to disable the white background picture when you boot up n800 and display verbose booting messages instead? |
| 05:36.35 | KaylaKaze | I've just decided to use AJAX and PHP of Python for any 770 coding I need to do |
| 05:37.09 | KaylaKaze | s/of/or/ |
| 05:37.41 | ChannelZ | I am trying to get a little tool running to talk to my digital camera out the USB port |
| 05:41.06 | eugene | is there a way to do a make install within n800 prompt? |
| 05:42.56 | keesj | no |
| 05:43.58 | keesj | you can do a tar zxvf file or apt-get xxx |
| 05:44.20 | eugene | guess i am going to install it into /usr/local, then tar cvjf it and tar xvjf it into the device |
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| 05:45.32 | keesj | channel do you have usb-host working? |
| 05:51.48 | ChannelZ | well I've used the flasher to turn it on, but I dunno if it's actually 'working' since so far I haven't been able to get the dev tools running to write any app to do anything with it :) |
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| 06:10.56 | latzko | hi |
| 06:11.25 | ChannelZ | aloha |
| 06:12.51 | latzko | I am trying to show virtual keyboard just for test like this: http://tomka.hu/~lac/main.c but it doesn't show it. can you help what's wrong with that? |
| 06:14.18 | latzko | actually I want to use vkb in SDL programs, that's the test for... |
| 06:18.47 | latzko | np |
| 06:21.44 | eugene | fork(sh: /usr/local/libexec/systemtap/stp_check: not found |
| 06:21.57 | eugene | ) i wonder why it can't find. the PATH thing is quite screwed up i feel |
| 06:31.22 | melmoth | hola eugene |
| 06:31.41 | melmoth | latzko, i doubt the virtual kb works with sdl :( |
| 06:31.50 | eugene | melmoth: hi... |
| 06:31.58 | eugene | melmoth: argh :/ :) |
| 06:33.04 | ChannelZ | oops wrong win |
| 06:33.04 | melmoth | eugene, if you cant fix it..Workaround it..what about puting stp_check in /usr/bin ? :) |
| 06:33.23 | latzko | melmoth: I see....Now I am trying to bring it up in a simple gtk application but I can't succeed |
| 06:34.05 | melmoth | in simple gtk application, well, the one i played with..it came automagically as soon as a text entry widget is selected |
| 06:34.14 | eugene | melmoth: apparently, it could be the system() call |
| 06:35.07 | melmoth | latzko, i never try to make it appear outside of the automagical way..there may be a way though. |
| 06:36.29 | latzko | Yes, I found code snipplets, also in GtkEntry code |
| 06:36.58 | latzko | http://tomka.hu/~lac/main.c here is what I try |
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| 06:37.18 | eugene | ah |
| 06:37.18 | eugene | sh -c /usr/local/libexec/systemtap/stp_check |
| 06:37.18 | eugene | sh: /usr/local/libexec/systemtap/stp_check: not found |
| 06:37.27 | eugene | so it's the busybox crappy sh implementation |
| 06:37.39 | eugene | ls /usr/local/libexec/systemtap/stp_check |
| 06:37.39 | eugene | /usr/local/libexec/systemtap/stp_check |
| 06:37.41 | eugene | and the file is there. |
| 06:37.50 | eugene | melmoth: i'm tired. it's your turn to think why :) |
| 06:38.10 | latzko | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:38.39 | melmoth | latzko, just a bet...but what about setting a osso context ? |
| 06:38.56 | melmoth | may be the kb is 'asked' to come via an osso rpc call |
| 06:39.04 | melmoth | wich may fail if there is no context |
| 06:39.15 | melmoth | i m just guessing, this could be complete bollocks :) |
| 06:40.39 | latzko | good point :) thanks |
| 06:43.20 | melmoth | melmoth@satellite:~$ /scratchbox/tools/bin/sh --help |
| 06:43.20 | melmoth | GNU bash, version 2.05b.0(1)-release-(i686-pc-linux-gnu) |
| 06:43.24 | melmoth | its.... bash |
| 06:43.40 | eugene | melmoth: scratchbox != n800 :) |
| 06:43.50 | eugene | /home/user # ls -l `which sh` |
| 06:43.50 | eugene | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Jul 5 12:52 /bin/sh -> busybox |
| 06:44.15 | melmoth | oh.. your stuff works in scratchbox and not on the n800 ? |
| 06:44.55 | eugene | no... i test it directly on n800.... the environment in scratchbox is not entirely identical to n800 |
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| 06:57.19 | eugene | ah |
| 06:57.19 | eugene | ok. |
| 06:57.23 | eugene | i fixed it |
| 06:57.42 | melmoth | what was the problem ? |
| 06:57.44 | eugene | so my script declared #!/bin/bash, and we all know that n800 uses busybox sh and not bash |
| 06:57.52 | eugene | damn, why isn't the error obvious |
| 06:58.06 | melmoth | it would be too easy ! |
| 06:58.07 | eugene | sigh i hope it doesn't crash again. it's like the 6th time already |
| 06:58.09 | eugene | yeah |
| 06:58.17 | eugene | but i am tired |
| 06:58.40 | eugene | woohoo! |
| 06:58.47 | eugene | some progress though |
| 06:58.55 | eugene | /mnt/initfs/tmp/test/users/eteo/home/eteo/systemtap # staprun stap_bd86b4e8bc0470fbc2f687d6f217e625_144.ko |
| 06:58.59 | eugene | ERROR: module machine mismatch (armv6l vs armv5tel) |
| 06:59.01 | eugene | ERROR: module release mismatch (2.6.18-omap1 vs 2.6.18-4-686) |
| 06:59.04 | eugene | /mnt/initfs/tmp/test/users/eteo/home/eteo/systemtap # staprun stap_bd86b4e8bc0470fbc2f687d6f217e625_144.ko |
| 06:59.07 | eugene | ERROR: module machine mismatch (armv6l vs armv5tel) |
| 06:59.09 | eugene | ERROR: module release mismatch (2.6.18-omap1 vs 2.6.18-4-686) |
| 06:59.12 | eugene | whoops, sorry for the multiple pasting |
| 07:06.41 | eugene | great, wrote a quick hack to bypass that for now |
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| 07:12.45 | eugene | melmoth: hey!! |
| 07:12.47 | eugene | melmoth: it worked :) |
| 07:12.48 | eugene | /mnt/initfs/tmp/test/users/eteo/home/eteo/systemtap # staprun stap_d4029b00329ec40020f2d68b8e263e64_144.ko |
| 07:12.51 | eugene | systemtap test |
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| 07:13.01 | melmoth | \o/ |
| 07:13.49 | eugene | stap -p4 -r 2.6.18-omap1 -e 'probe begin { printf("systemtap test\n") }' |
| 07:14.17 | eugene | awesome |
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| 07:18.52 | latzko | osso init is noth enough...maybe d-bus also must setup |
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| 07:36.18 | eugene | melmoth: sigh |
| 07:40.17 | eugene | oh ya i forgot |
| 07:40.44 | eugene | strace for arm might not be the same one for x86 :( |
| 07:40.48 | eugene | i think. |
| 07:43.55 | suihkulokki | eugene: nice to see systemtap working :) |
| 07:44.41 | eugene | suihkulokki: hehe. almost. |
| 07:45.13 | eugene | kprobes/jprobes/kretprobes is definitely working. systemtap requires some hacks to get it to work. but i'm facing a little problem finding the vmlinux :/ |
| 07:45.17 | eugene | :) |
| 07:46.03 | suihkulokki | finding vmlinux? |
| 07:47.12 | eugene | well, it needs the kernel-debuginfo. i have it after building my custom kernel, but systemtap doesn't seem to even want to search for it. i am not sure if strace is telling the truth. |
| 07:47.45 | latzko | huh, I also initialized dbus but vkb does not come up... |
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| 07:48.33 | suihkulokki | strace is slightly buggy on arm eabi |
| 07:49.25 | eugene | ah. |
| 07:52.00 | suihkulokki | I've seen reporting things like open(lmx.maemo/senigne-ktg/erahs/rsu/) |
| 07:52.25 | eugene | not sure why it forked when in x86, it didn't |
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| 08:05.51 | guardian | inz: thx for the tip, sshfs works just fine |
| 08:06.05 | inz | guardian, great |
| 08:15.30 | latzko | hm, vkb comes up on tablet but not in x86 target of sbox! |
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| 08:32.25 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 08:39.53 | sbaturzio | Aloha! |
| 08:40.02 | eugene | is there a package for the make command? |
| 08:42.51 | guardian | ? |
| 08:44.52 | eugene | ? |
| 08:45.48 | eugene | oh well, pointless to have make if i don't have gcc and g++ and many lbraries |
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| 09:30.38 | jani | not much of gtk experience here, so help appreciated. I have gtk_dialog_new_with_buttons() call, i create a widget with it that has few buttons, in vbox i pack few labels and number edito.. |
| 09:31.13 | jani | aah never mind .. |
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| 09:51.31 | X-Fade | Hmm nice, NL gets street level maps for the whole country on openstreetmap, thanks to AND. http://www.opengeodata.org/?p=223 |
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| 09:53.52 | MoRpHeUz | X-Fade: NL ? |
| 09:54.43 | X-Fade | The Netherlands |
| 09:55.16 | MoRpHeUz | =) |
| 09:55.50 | X-Fade | Free accurate streetlevel maps is a great thing ;) |
| 09:57.22 | MoRpHeUz | for sure! =) |
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| 10:14.29 | Jaffa | Hmm, thread on ITT says "new firmware out" (haven't read it yet) |
| 10:15.21 | Jaffa | Oh, it's a "joke". |
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| 10:25.27 | lardman | hmm, why does the ITU charge for its information? |
| 10:25.42 | lardman | Anyone have a pointer to a free description of G.729? |
| 10:40.53 | lardman | Hmm, Speex it is |
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| 10:45.38 | lardman | Can clients such as Skype select Speex as a codec to use, or are they stuck with on of the patented versions? |
| 10:45.40 | madam | hello all; i hope not everyone is having a lunch now...? |
| 10:46.16 | lardman | nope, though you're making me hungry talking about it ;) |
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| 10:46.19 | rwhitby | heh, Skype, and user selection, in the same sentence. Now *that's* funny. |
| 10:46.27 | madam | i'm looking for the source of Media Player of N800. maybe you can help me |
| 10:46.29 | Gathaja | I'm having some problems using shared libary. My program works fine in scratchbox but when I transfer it to the n800 it doesn't work right. It runs but it's like it doesn't do the library calls at all, like it skips them or something. Obviously something's wrong with dll but I don't know how to fix it. Any ideas? |
| 10:46.59 | madam | i've read something about it being closed but i'm not sure |
| 10:47.11 | robtaylor | madam: closed |
| 10:47.46 | madam | rob: thanks for the confirmation |
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| 10:48.03 | robtaylor | madam: any particular reason you wanted the source? |
| 10:48.06 | melmoth | Gathaja, compare the output of 'ldd yourbinary' on both environment ? |
| 10:48.10 | lardman | rwhitby: I've never had any use for voip, I get free calls and cheap international too |
| 10:49.02 | rwhitby | voip (Gizmo in particular, but any SIP client would do) has saved my company many dollars in the last few months. |
| 10:49.02 | lardman | rwhitby: But I was looking in the wishlist at the codecs people wanted, g.729, and was trying to work out whether that was doable |
| 10:49.02 | madam | rob: just curious; i was unable to locae the source for many programs |
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| 10:49.23 | madam | rob: and i couldn't understand what's wrong |
| 10:49.35 | lardman | madam: A fair few of the apps are closed |
| 10:50.10 | madam | lardman: perhaps there's is list of there apps on somewhere the wiki? |
| 10:50.34 | rwhitby | lardman: and the n800 is much better than a desk phone :-) |
| 10:50.43 | rwhitby | (when running Gizmo) |
| 10:50.47 | lardman | madam: hmm, I don;t think so |
| 10:51.26 | lardman | rwhitby: Yeah, I may find a use for it when there's more wifi in random places in the UK |
| 10:51.52 | Gathaja | melmoth: I'll try that |
| 10:52.27 | rwhitby | lardman: my usage at home and work justifies the cost of the n800 alone. |
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| 11:02.57 | madam | me goes too; thanks for your help |
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| 11:27.09 | Gathaja | I can't run ldd on the device. Says "ldd: not found" even though it is in /usr/bin and I tried to run it /usr/bin/ldd |
| 11:32.16 | jani | Gathaja: seems the ldd in the device is borked .. |
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| 11:33.00 | jani | its a shell script, first problem is that it tries to use #!/bin/bash as interpreter which is obviously missing since there's no bash but busybox in the dev .. |
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| 11:34.36 | Gathaja | oh |
| 11:36.27 | jani | its propably minor issue but too much work to do currently |
| 11:36.34 | inz | Gathaja, /lib/ld-linux.so.3 --list <binaryname> |
| 11:37.56 | Gathaja | inz: thanks |
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| 11:47.59 | jani | so it does work ? |
| 11:49.17 | robtaylor | luck^: hey, I've just nearly finished building python2.5 based of the current ubuntu packaging! |
| 11:49.55 | robtaylor | luck^: in fact, it just finished.. |
| 11:49.56 | luck^ | robtaylor, cool! any big issue? |
| 11:50.26 | robtaylor | luck^: nope, no big ones, hangon, i'll pastebin you the interdiff |
| 11:50.38 | luck^ | robtaylor, ok! |
| 11:51.12 | suihkulokki | robtaylor where did you pick up libffi4 ? |
| 11:51.42 | robtaylor | suihkulokki: mm. i think i built that myself, but i also think the current pymaemo packages come with libffi |
| 11:52.18 | luck^ | there is a libffi4 in repository.maemo.org/extras |
| 11:52.23 | luck^ | suihkulokki |
| 11:52.30 | robtaylor | there, i knew it was somewhere :) |
| 11:52.45 | luck^ | :) |
| 11:53.08 | suihkulokki | I had a look at it, it seemed very old, I'm suprised it really works on arm eabi |
| 11:54.16 | luck^ | osvaldo was working with pymaemo before.. I think he applied some patches to work with eabi, etc |
| 11:54.39 | robtaylor | luck^: oh, hangon, i need to rebuild it from clean now |
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| 11:55.04 | suihkulokki | luck^: did he submit them upstream? |
| 11:55.34 | luck^ | suihkulokki, no.. I think he just did this pymaemo package |
| 11:56.17 | luck^ | robtaylor, no problem.. I think this will solve #736.. its about an email asking for some debian compatibility |
| 11:56.33 | chrissturm | how does maemo power management work? Is there a mode where the device is turned off, but wakes up like every 20 minutes to check mail? |
| 11:56.37 | robtaylor | luck^: rock. it'll solve a lot of my issues too |
| 11:56.46 | luck^ | Ed Bartosh was proposing himself to use pycentral |
| 11:56.57 | robtaylor | luck^: already got that packaged |
| 11:57.11 | luck^ | robtaylor, nice |
| 11:57.33 | robtaylor | luck^: http://packages.codethink.co.uk |
| 11:58.27 | Gathaja | jani: ld-linux.so.3 --list worked nicely, if that's what you meant |
| 11:58.29 | robtaylor | though i guess i'll need to revert a new changes once we have debian-style python2.5 |
| 11:58.50 | luck^ | humm |
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| 12:00.06 | luck^ | robtaylor, I'll take a look |
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| 12:00.20 | robtaylor | luck^: i ws thinking,. it might be ncie to have all the packaging in git, with a branch where we can import the latestdebian packaging, and a branch to store maemo packging on |
| 12:00.26 | konttori | ukmp 1.4 and uktube 0.6 out |
| 12:00.28 | konttori | http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/ |
| 12:00.35 | robtaylor | luck^: should help with staying up-to-date :) |
| 12:00.45 | konttori | two videos showing new features for both of them |
| 12:00.58 | suihkulokki | luck^: we need someone to fix libffi4 in gcc-4.2 @ debian's armel port |
| 12:01.06 | robtaylor | konttori: got any coherence support goig in ukmp yet? |
| 12:01.07 | konttori | uktube 0.6 has support for streaming youtube and dailymotion videos. |
| 12:01.17 | konttori | robtaylor: nope. |
| 12:01.34 | konttori | For some reason, it's been a bit hard for me to do it. |
| 12:02.06 | konttori | mostly probably because I don't have a upnp server on my osx |
| 12:02.18 | konttori | and I've been unable to get coherences media server working correctly |
| 12:02.40 | robtaylor | konttori: :( |
| 12:02.55 | konttori | anyway, dev has been really helpful, It's really just been my own problems getting python to work properly on my osx. |
| 12:03.23 | luck^ | robtaylor, you can file a request in pymaemo.maemo.org.. I'm not really used to git, but I heard only good comments about it |
| 12:03.29 | konttori | I think coherence is a great lib and I REALLY would like to get it up and running for ukmp, just not luck so far. |
| 12:03.33 | chrissturm | konttori: dunno if that helps, but theres a upnp av plugin for azureus 3.0 |
| 12:04.18 | konttori | I'll try it! Thanks! |
| 12:04.34 | konttori | you mean vuze? |
| 12:04.38 | chrissturm | yes |
| 12:04.46 | konttori | looks wicked cool. |
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| 12:05.20 | konttori | is upnp plugin in there by default? |
| 12:05.20 | luck^ | robtaylor, rigth now we're a bit busy, but its possible to put this task in our roadmap |
| 12:05.25 | chrissturm | konttori: yes |
| 12:05.39 | konttori | great stuff |
| 12:06.16 | robtaylor | luck^: nice :) |
| 12:06.17 | luck^ | suihkulokki, humm.. I remember we had some problem to find libffi4 source code |
| 12:06.24 | saiam | Is there any telepathy modules (except the standard ones) that are actually working with the standard N800 IM-software? |
| 12:06.50 | konttori | is the new firmware out yet? |
| 12:07.05 | robtaylor | luck^: i just had another idea - maybe we can get the debain/ubuntu main (mattias klose) to accept some packages that build slightly differently if the distro is a maemo distro |
| 12:07.24 | zeenix | robtaylor: you still have't embraced the truth that gupnp is going to ruthlessly crush coherence soon? :P |
| 12:07.49 | robtaylor | zeenix: when it works, i'll take a look ;) |
| 12:08.07 | robtaylor | zeenix: are you going to support file upload? |
| 12:09.48 | robtaylor | zeenix: btw. coherence also makes a great media server, so no need to fight.. |
| 12:10.20 | robtaylor | its the only (FLOSS) one that supports transcoding and file uploads |
| 12:10.25 | luck^ | robtaylor, cool.. would be great. In the future python will be an official package of maemo distro |
| 12:10.39 | robtaylor | luck^: so i heard :) |
| 12:10.45 | luck^ | hehehe |
| 12:12.29 | zeenix | robtaylor: last time i tried to install the coherence media server, i got into a few problems and it seemed to be quite bloated too |
| 12:13.42 | konttori | Anyway, I hope you guys could have a test of uktube 0.6 today if you are using uktube. I'm going away for a while tomorrow, so I can really do bugfixes well only on today. |
| 12:13.45 | zeenix | robtaylor: what file upload btw? |
| 12:15.05 | dev | zeenix: ImportResource, that's an UPnP ContentDirectory action |
| 12:16.04 | zeenix | ah! we are still writing the framework |
| 12:16.16 | latzko | hi, I can bring virtual keyboard up from code on tablet with hildon_gtk_im_context_show () , but it does not work in sbox x86 target, so testing is a bit hard...Can you help me why? thanks |
| 12:16.50 | zeenix | once there is a nice, small frameword written in C, we (and others) can then make nice control points and devices on it |
| 12:17.02 | zeenix | s/frameword/framework/ |
| 12:17.20 | dev | zeenix: sure |
| 12:18.16 | zeenix | ImportResource should be too hard to implement |
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| 12:24.14 | dev | being a C-programmer for 25years, made software for systems where 5 people shared a System-V with 512kB, I just don't get that "once there is a nice, small framework written in C" |
| 12:25.25 | dev | but anyway, if it would have been there 12months ago I would probably work with you on it :-) |
| 12:28.32 | robtaylor | luck^: http://pastebin.com/942453 |
| 12:30.56 | luck^ | robtaylor, ok |
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| 12:34.44 | luck^ | robtaylor, we apply patches to reduce footprint too |
| 12:37.45 | luck^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:38.33 | robtaylor | luck^: what error are you getting? |
| 12:38.53 | luck^ | Err http://packages.codethink.co.uk bora/main Packages |
| 12:38.53 | luck^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:39.14 | luck^ | robtaylor |
| 12:39.25 | robtaylor | luck^: :/ http://packages.codethink.co.uk/dists/bora/main/binary-armel/Packages |
| 12:39.28 | chrissturm | luck^: its not bora/main but bora main |
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| 12:40.15 | luck^ | chrissturm, thanks! :) |
| 12:41.40 | robtaylor | mm. looks like i need to rebuild python-central python-configobj python-docutils python-louie python-roman python-setuptools python-twisted-core python-twisted-web python-zopeinterface |
| 12:41.44 | robtaylor | *sigh* |
| 12:42.27 | luck^ | robtaylor :) ..hey.. and what is the "main" package to install? |
| 12:42.31 | luck^ | python-all? |
| 12:42.37 | robtaylor | luck^: python2.5 |
| 12:42.44 | luck^ | ok |
| 12:46.19 | robtaylor | luck^: yeah, size is slightly higher - 2867142 versus 2043698 |
| 12:47.06 | robtaylor | and of course, there's python2.5-minimal too |
| 12:48.48 | luck^ | hummm.. we need to study this possibility |
| 12:48.55 | robtaylor | hmm, odd though |
| 12:49.18 | robtaylor | hmm, odd though dpkg -L python2.5-minimal | xargs ls -ld | awk '{print $5}' | sum gives 17689 |
| 12:49.36 | robtaylor | dpkg -L python2.5 | xargs ls -ld | awk '{print $5}' | sum gives 57311 |
| 12:50.29 | luck^ | really |
| 12:50.56 | robtaylor | hmm, i think there's soemthing wrong here |
| 12:52.55 | robtaylor | oh, its just my shell foo |
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| 12:53.01 | luck^ | :) |
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| 12:57.33 | robtaylor | luck^: dpkg -L python2.5-minimal | xargs ls -ld | awk '{ sum+= $5 } END {print sum}' -> 3593356 |
| 12:57.47 | robtaylor | dpkg -L python2.5 | xargs ls -ld | awk '{ sum+= $5 } END {print sum}' -> 8548754 |
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| 12:58.11 | robtaylor | so we probably do need to chop some stuff off |
| 12:58.56 | luck^ | robtaylor, yeah... a lot of fat to burn |
| 12:59.26 | robtaylor | luck^: do you have a list of what you chopped before? |
| 12:59.59 | luck^ | robtaylor, no.. just the patches inside pymaemo tree |
| 13:03.37 | X-Fade | Hmmm did anyone try to use Sardine on N800 lately? Buggy doesn't even start to describe the experience for me. It is really not useable at the moment.. |
| 13:03.38 | robtaylor | luck^: btw, this requires devian devkit 1.0.8 to build |
| 13:04.06 | milhouse | Sardine didn't work for me yesterday... lib thumbnail package blowing up or something |
| 13:04.12 | robtaylor | luck^: If i can, i'd like to leave trimming to yiu guys and get pycentral etc back up to date |
| 13:05.04 | X-Fade | milhouse: Clicking on the Internet Icon restarts the desktop for me. A lot of icons are missing, menus don't work or sometimes work.. |
| 13:05.04 | milhouse | _Monkey, Sardine is (very) unstable |
| 13:05.05 | _Monkey | OK, milhouse. |
| 13:05.07 | luck^ | robtaylor, its ok |
| 13:05.18 | milhouse | _Monkey, Sardine is also http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_GetStartedWithSardine |
| 13:05.18 | _Monkey | okay, milhouse. |
| 13:05.22 | milhouse | Sardine? |
| 13:05.22 | _Monkey | somebody said Sardine was (very) unstable or http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_GetStartedWithSardine |
| 13:05.35 | milhouse | huzzah! |
| 13:07.00 | milhouse | X-Fade - I couldn't even get Sardine to upgrade on my N800 |
| 13:07.11 | chrissturm | what is sardine? |
| 13:07.12 | _Monkey | sardine is, like, (very) unstable or http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_GetStartedWithSardine |
| 13:07.31 | milhouse | hehe |
| 13:07.43 | chrissturm | lol |
| 13:08.18 | X-Fade | milhouse: Well, that did work for me 2 days ago. But I'm surprised that it is still so incredibly broken. |
| 13:08.24 | chrissturm | who cares what it is as long as we can upgrade to it |
| 13:09.06 | milhouse | x-fade: it's a common feature of sardine, i guess it's the nature of the beast |
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| 13:09.51 | X-Fade | milhouse: Well, unstable ok.. But display corruption out of the box, not working menus etc. That is a bit too much :) |
| 13:10.22 | milhouse | if you want something that works, you probably sould give herring a go |
| 13:10.47 | milhouse | the problem you saw the other day may have been transient (he says, hopefully) |
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| 13:11.13 | milhouse | infobot guide? |
| 13:11.14 | infobot | guide is probably at http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~infobot/infobot_guide.html |
| 13:11.14 | _Monkey | well, infobot guide is http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~infobot/infobot_guide.html |
| 13:11.33 | milhouse | hmmm... bot wrestling |
| 13:12.19 | milhouse | train _Monkey well... :) |
| 13:14.16 | milhouse | firmware is 770 (http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_770.php) |
| 13:14.22 | milhouse | _Monkey, firmware is 770 (http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_770.php) |
| 13:14.23 | _Monkey | i already had it that way, milhouse. |
| 13:14.29 | milhouse | ooh, silly me |
| 13:14.32 | milhouse | firmware? |
| 13:14.32 | _Monkey | i heard firmware was 770 (http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_770.php) |
| 13:14.51 | milhouse | firmware is also N800 (http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php) |
| 13:14.51 | _Monkey | okay, milhouse. |
| 13:15.07 | milhouse | firmware is also Flasher binaries (http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php) |
| 13:15.08 | _Monkey | okay, milhouse. |
| 13:15.10 | milhouse | firmware? |
| 13:15.11 | _Monkey | rumour has it firmware is 770 (http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_770.php) or N800 (http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php) or Flasher binaries (http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php) |
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| 13:16.29 | milhouse | ITT is http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums |
| 13:16.34 | milhouse | itt? |
| 13:16.35 | _Monkey | itt is, like, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums |
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| 13:17.18 | inz | inz-- |
| 13:17.28 | milhouse | karma for inz |
| 13:17.29 | _Monkey | inz has neutral karma |
| 13:17.33 | inz | *sniff* |
| 13:17.37 | milhouse | inz++ |
| 13:17.41 | milhouse | karma for inz |
| 13:17.41 | _Monkey | inz has karma of 1 |
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| 13:38.40 | chrissturm | does installing a new firmware reset the memory of the device? will I have to install all apps again? |
| 13:38.59 | milhouse | yes |
| 13:39.00 | milhouse | currently |
| 13:39.41 | chrissturm | does it clear the home directory too? |
| 13:39.52 | milhouse | _monkey, reflashing is <reply>will reset your devices memory to factory default |
| 13:39.53 | _Monkey | OK, milhouse. |
| 13:39.56 | milhouse | yes |
| 13:39.57 | jani | i think so. |
| 13:40.03 | milhouse | reflashing? |
| 13:40.03 | _Monkey | will reset _Monkey's devices memory to factory default |
| 13:40.08 | milhouse | arse |
| 13:40.22 | milhouse | forget reflashing |
| 13:40.22 | _Monkey | milhouse: I forgot reflashing |
| 13:40.38 | milhouse | _monkey, reflashing is <reply>will reset \your devices memory to factory default |
| 13:40.39 | _Monkey | OK, milhouse. |
| 13:40.43 | milhouse | reflashing? |
| 13:40.43 | chrissturm | so any time nokia puts out a new firmware i lose all my configs? |
| 13:40.44 | _Monkey | will reset your devices memory to factory default |
| 13:41.11 | milhouse | you can backup your data using the backup function |
| 13:41.36 | milhouse | in the next firmware (hopefully) you will be able to "backup" installed applications too and reinstall them automatically post reflash |
| 13:41.56 | jani | i think there was some talk about that in application manager .. |
| 13:42.18 | milhouse | _monkey, no reflashing is <reply>Reflashing will reset \your devices memory to factory default and wipe your home directory - use backup so that you can restore your data to the new firmware |
| 13:42.19 | _Monkey | OK, milhouse. |
| 13:42.29 | milhouse | reflashing? |
| 13:42.30 | _Monkey | will reset your devices memory to factory default |
| 13:42.36 | milhouse | hmm |
| 13:42.59 | milhouse | forget reflashing |
| 13:43.00 | _Monkey | milhouse: I forgot reflashing |
| 13:43.09 | milhouse | _monkey, reflashing is <reply>Reflashing will reset \your devices memory to factory default and wipe your home directory - use backup so that you can restore your data to the new firmware |
| 13:43.10 | _Monkey | OK, milhouse. |
| 13:43.15 | milhouse | reflashing? |
| 13:43.16 | _Monkey | Reflashing will reset your devices memory to factory default and wipe _Monkey's home directory - use backup so that you can restore _Monkey's data to the new firmware |
| 13:43.22 | milhouse | arghhh... :) |
| 13:43.29 | milhouse | forget reflashing |
| 13:43.30 | _Monkey | milhouse: I forgot reflashing |
| 13:43.41 | milhouse | _monkey, reflashing is <reply>Reflashing will reset \your devices memory to factory default and wipe \your home directory - use backup so that you can restore \your data to the new firmware |
| 13:43.41 | _Monkey | OK, milhouse. |
| 13:43.49 | milhouse | forget no reflashing |
| 13:43.50 | _Monkey | milhouse: I forgot no reflashing |
| 13:43.55 | milhouse | reflashing? |
| 13:43.55 | _Monkey | Reflashing will reset your devices memory to factory default and wipe your home directory - use backup so that you can restore your data to the new firmware |
| 13:44.09 | milhouse | yay |
| 13:44.15 | chrissturm | that was easy |
| 13:44.23 | milhouse | once i got the hang of it... |
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| 13:44.54 | milhouse | _monkey nice day is <reply>You betcha, $who. |
| 13:44.55 | _Monkey | OK, milhouse. |
| 13:44.58 | milhouse | nice day |
| 13:44.59 | _Monkey | You betcha, milhouse. |
| 13:46.18 | chrissturm | can i load the n800 via the usb port? |
| 13:46.35 | chrissturm | (charge) |
| 13:46.37 | milhouse | you can mount the n800 as a mass storage device if that's what you mean |
| 13:46.38 | milhouse | ah |
| 13:46.39 | milhouse | no |
| 13:46.48 | milhouse | you can't charge via the USB port |
| 13:47.45 | chrissturm | that would have been very nice. |
| 13:48.07 | milhouse | oh yes... |
| 13:48.28 | gomiam | I don't see it making much sense, anyway |
| 13:48.41 | gomiam | you have your charger, don't you? |
| 13:48.42 | milhouse | you can buy something called the CA-100 which kind of allows charging via USB - it's a USB to 2mm adapter |
| 13:48.49 | chrissturm | gomiam: carrying around the charger is no fun |
| 13:48.53 | gomiam | oh? |
| 13:49.08 | gomiam | well, it's not too bothering for me |
| 13:49.09 | chrissturm | i can have the n800 in my pocket, but not the charger |
| 13:49.16 | milhouse | http://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=145013 |
| 13:49.23 | chrissturm | but most people i visit have usb cables lying around |
| 13:49.24 | milhouse | not cheap :( |
| 13:49.34 | gomiam | I have a little bag where I carry the N800, its cables and chargers and even some mobile cables too |
| 13:50.40 | gomiam | I wouldn't carry the N800 in my pocket, anyway, I don't trust the felt cover. |
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| 13:50.56 | milhouse | gomiam: need that Nokia case!!! |
| 13:51.00 | chrissturm | i still dont get how the powermanagement works, it happens quite often that i have the n800 lying somewhere, and then ist empty |
| 13:51.30 | chrissturm | i thought "lock device and display" should suspend it |
| 13:51.36 | X-Fade | chrissturm: Is it connected to the network? |
| 13:51.50 | chrissturm | yes |
| 13:52.00 | X-Fade | Voip or IM active? |
| 13:52.11 | milhouse | lock device and display does _not_ suspend it (unlike the old 770) |
| 13:52.26 | chrissturm | how can i suspend it then? |
| 13:52.39 | chrissturm | X-Fade: i have only claws running |
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| 13:52.48 | milhouse | flight mode would probably be the closes thing to suspend |
| 13:52.55 | gomiam | milhouse: yet it still goes a long way to save battery, if you have set the non-connected mode first |
| 13:53.03 | milhouse | there is a hidden suspend mode in the menu, but i think it got broken in the last firmware update |
| 13:53.07 | gomiam | ? |
| 13:53.13 | gomiam | I didn't know that :-) |
| 13:53.17 | gla55_ | i just love 770's cover->sleep thing |
| 13:53.18 | X-Fade | chrissturm: it is probably constantly using wifi.. |
| 13:53.26 | chrissturm | ok |
| 13:53.37 | milhouse | gla55_ - nokias biggest mistake with the n800 |
| 13:53.43 | chrissturm | it would be great to have a mode where it only polls the wifi at intervals to check mail |
| 13:53.48 | chrissturm | and sleeps the rest of the time |
| 13:53.52 | gomiam | yup, wifi connection will do that (even more if it's on 100mW) |
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| 13:54.05 | X-Fade | chrissturm: For voip and IM it needs the always on.. |
| 13:54.20 | gla55_ | milhouse: some slider button or something that would do the same thing as putting on the cover would have been nice |
| 13:54.28 | gomiam | chriss... that might be programmed into it. Say... some crontab-ed script... |
| 13:54.55 | milhouse | just a cover would be nice (Nokia - are you listening? where's the case??) |
| 13:55.20 | chrissturm | do you guys think there will be a new IT in the next 12 months? |
| 13:55.23 | milhouse | Power management profiles would also be good |
| 13:55.27 | gla55_ | in next 12? sure |
| 13:55.56 | chrissturm | but not in the next 6? |
| 13:55.59 | milhouse | definately, and hopefully closer to the tail end of 12 monhts |
| 13:56.05 | X-Fade | chrissturm: We even know it's name :) |
| 13:56.06 | milhouse | hopefully not |
| 13:56.15 | gomiam | mm... if Skype support is going to be integrated |
| 13:56.26 | gomiam | I expect to have a new update quite soon. |
| 13:56.39 | gomiam | don't know if it qualifies as being a new IT |
| 13:56.41 | milhouse | it's looking more like a seperate download |
| 13:56.56 | milhouse | but can still be integrated |
| 13:57.08 | milhouse | just not a part of the firmware itself (which is a good thing) |
| 13:57.09 | X-Fade | gomiam: My guess is that that will be a download. Just like Rhapsody is? |
| 13:57.15 | gomiam | milhouse: I don't know. What I have read about looks like it would require reflashing. I may be wrong. |
| 13:57.28 | gomiam | and it actually would make much more sense |
| 13:58.10 | chrissturm | I am expecting more communication tools, not just skype, but what do i know... |
| 13:58.54 | milhouse | gomiam: you'll need to reflash for the new firmware. i assume Skype won't work with the current firmware so in that sense you'll need to reflash to install skype. |
| 13:59.16 | X-Fade | Some extra codecs would be nice :) My N95 plays m4a and mp4, the N800 should do that too! |
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| 14:00.43 | gla55_ | playing n95 high res videos would be nice |
| 14:00.53 | unique311 | infobot |
| 14:01.08 | unique311 | how do i use this bot |
| 14:01.31 | unique311 | infobot_, where is Dr_Nunim |
| 14:01.33 | unique311 | ? |
| 14:01.54 | X-Fade | gla55_: But still the n800 has way better battery live than the n95. So linux powersaving isn't that bad after all ;) |
| 14:02.08 | joshin | Anyone know of an app that gives better control of the display on the N770? I'd like to leave the display & backlight powered on when plugged into the wall. |
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| 14:02.33 | gla55_ | X-Fade: n800 doesn't do as much |
| 14:02.53 | chrissturm | rotating the display would be great to have in a future firmware |
| 14:03.10 | X-Fade | gla55_: Well, idle at my desk both connected to wifi the N800 still beats it 3 times orso :) |
| 14:03.12 | gla55_ | X-Fade: besides, n95 has a quite long standby time compared to 770 or n800 when they're "on" |
| 14:03.28 | gomiam | chrissturm: mmm... at least rotating it for PDf reading :-) |
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| 14:03.37 | k-s[WORK] | konttori: hi dude |
| 14:03.42 | pupnik | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=56477#post56477 for the ppl in the USA |
| 14:03.50 | chrissturm | gomiam: but rotating does work with evince |
| 14:03.55 | konttori | k-s: hi! |
| 14:04.02 | unique311 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:04.07 | gomiam | oh, but I didn't want to install yet another PDF reader |
| 14:04.13 | gomiam | O:-) |
| 14:04.20 | eugene | has anyone installed gcc, g++, make, etc in n800? |
| 14:04.51 | gomiam | http://magao.buzznet.com/user/photos/?id=10661121 |
| 14:05.02 | gomiam | the bag I scavenged for my N800 and companion cables :-) |
| 14:06.13 | gomiam | question: is there a N800 stand-alone charger? |
| 14:06.19 | eugene | gomiam: this's what i got for my n800: http://www.flickr.com/photos/eugeneteo/tags/n800 |
| 14:06.34 | gomiam | oops, I meant a N800 battery stand-alone charger |
| 14:06.37 | gla55_ | gomiam: just use any 2mm nokia charger? |
| 14:06.38 | k-s[WORK] | konttori: did you see my evas demo? |
| 14:06.38 | gla55_ | ah |
| 14:06.43 | gla55_ | no idea |
| 14:06.55 | eugene | k-s[WORK]: that's yours? it's awesome |
| 14:07.00 | gomiam | that way I can have two batteries and charge one while the other one is being used :-) |
| 14:07.01 | k-s[WORK] | eugene: :-) |
| 14:07.09 | eugene | k-s[WORK]: nice blog too |
| 14:07.12 | k-s[WORK] | eugene: we're pushing it for turbo graphics here :-) |
| 14:07.21 | eugene | heh |
| 14:07.27 | k-s[WORK] | eugene: expect many great apps using it, both from here and friends |
| 14:07.36 | gomiam | nice casing, eugene |
| 14:07.47 | eugene | k-s[WORK]: looking forward to it! |
| 14:07.48 | eugene | gomiam: thanks |
| 14:07.52 | milhouse | infobot guide? |
| 14:07.53 | infobot | rumour has it, guide is at http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~infobot/infobot_guide.html |
| 14:07.53 | _Monkey | hmmm... infobot guide is http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~infobot/infobot_guide.html |
| 14:07.58 | gomiam | I just keep the felt bag inside the blue bag. |
| 14:08.36 | gomiam | well, I'll get back to studying |
| 14:08.41 | unique311 | pupnik |
| 14:08.44 | gomiam | no rest for the wicked and all that |
| 14:08.45 | gla55_ | gomiam: haven't seen a nokia standalone battery charger in.. well.. 10 years? |
| 14:08.50 | pupnik | hi unique311 |
| 14:08.58 | milhouse | Unique311 - train him well... |
| 14:08.59 | unique311 | you need to check out the documentary American Blackout.. |
| 14:09.00 | gomiam | gla55_: I had to ask, just in case :-D |
| 14:09.26 | unique311 | republicans will do anything, and i mean anything |
| 14:09.37 | unique311 | ron paul talks a good talk right now.. |
| 14:09.59 | gla55_ | gomiam: i sometimes use my extra s60 phones for charging up bl-5c's :p |
| 14:10.25 | gwak | unique311: its easy to talk like that when you have no money and are at the bottom of the poles ;-] |
| 14:10.44 | unique311 | well thats also ture |
| 14:10.47 | unique311 | ture |
| 14:10.49 | unique311 | true |
| 14:11.17 | milhouse | UKMP is a Media Player, available for download at http://maemo.org/downloads/product/ukmp |
| 14:11.17 | milhouse | ukmp? |
| 14:11.17 | _Monkey | i heard ukmp was a Media Player, available for download at http://maemo.org/downloads/product/ukmp |
| 14:12.52 | trevarthan | hey konttori, did you ever get my ukmp-dev running? |
| 14:16.23 | unique311 | sent you a PM pupnik |
| 14:17.51 | gomiam | UKMP has been a bit of a disappointment for me |
| 14:18.10 | gomiam | some Youtube videos only played right the first time |
| 14:18.44 | _Shurik_ | I don't like the extra step for UKMP |
| 14:18.48 | gomiam | since I'm going to convert them to MPG or something like that, anyway, I don't care anymore. |
| 14:18.54 | gomiam | "extra step"? |
| 14:19.20 | _Shurik_ | well, perhaps I just don't know how to tie it into opera to pull in video automatically |
| 14:19.31 | _Shurik_ | but I had to paste URL into it |
| 14:19.38 | gomiam | ah, you mean your needing to cut&paste the URLs |
| 14:19.43 | _Shurik_ | yep |
| 14:20.01 | gomiam | well, it isn't much of a hassle to me |
| 14:20.20 | _Shurik_ | well it's okay when you know exactly what you want to see |
| 14:20.29 | _Shurik_ | but if you're browsing - it gets annoying pretty fast |
| 14:20.37 | gomiam | might be |
| 14:20.41 | gomiam | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-K8x4x4i68 |
| 14:20.47 | _Shurik_ | the idea of youtube is virtually instant streaming :) |
| 14:20.49 | gomiam | a case of misheard lyrics |
| 14:21.22 | _Shurik_ | buahaha |
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| 14:23.39 | trevarthan | gomiam: I think you're confusing UK Tube with UKMP. |
| 14:23.43 | gomiam | ow |
| 14:23.47 | gomiam | true, true |
| 14:23.55 | _Shurik_ | crap, I didn't catch that either |
| 14:24.04 | _Shurik_ | I'm too hung over today |
| 14:24.16 | gomiam | man, it's Thursday |
| 14:24.37 | gomiam | you should wait at least until tonight to get wasted :-D |
| 14:24.58 | _Shurik_ | well yesterday was off |
| 14:25.22 | _Shurik_ | and friend had bday |
| 14:27.12 | gomiam | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xEzGIuY7kw (Yankovic at his worst best:-)) |
| 14:27.46 | _Shurik_ | I think today is going to be youtube day |
| 14:28.05 | gomiam | nah, I'll stop referring videos as of now |
| 14:28.06 | gomiam | :-D |
| 14:28.11 | _Shurik_ | since that's all my cpu can pull out today |
| 14:28.17 | gomiam | oh? |
| 14:28.26 | _Shurik_ | the one in my head |
| 14:28.32 | gomiam | ah :-D |
| 14:28.41 | _Shurik_ | yeah, alcohol is evil |
| 14:28.53 | gomiam | no, it's ethanol, mostly :-P |
| 14:29.09 | _Shurik_ | right, the rest 60% is harmless :-D |
| 14:29.19 | gomiam | http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=80A6B965FA3488A9 |
| 14:29.30 | gomiam | if you are bored, get there and watch some videos |
| 14:30.21 | eugene | is this #maemo? |
| 14:30.37 | gomiam | yes, after this off-topic interlude, it is again |
| 14:30.39 | gomiam | sorry |
| 14:31.36 | _Shurik_ | non maemo related subjects prohibited? |
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| 14:31.47 | gomiam | at least not encouraged, I guess |
| 14:32.45 | konttori | trevarthan: Back! |
| 14:33.09 | konttori | I just downloaded pysqlite today and haven't yet installed it. |
| 14:33.18 | konttori | I'll try out the dev today |
| 14:33.37 | gomiam | mmm... is there an Gnumeric-to-SQLite interface on the N800? |
| 14:33.53 | gomiam | (a GUI wouldn't hurt either) |
| 14:34.06 | gomiam | I don't want to install postgresql yet :-) |
| 14:34.28 | _Shurik_ | is that what mapper 2.0 will use? |
| 14:34.34 | konttori | k-s[work]: what memo? |
| 14:34.54 | eugene | hehe... just wondering :) |
| 14:35.01 | k-s[WORK] | konttori: demo: http://blog.gustavobarbieri.com.br/2007/06/23/edje-demo-on-n800-application-launcher-mockup/ |
| 14:35.13 | konttori | gomian: what don't you like about ukmp/uktube? |
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| 14:37.45 | konttori | k-s[work]: really nice stuff.. Do you have installer packages for maemo already? |
| 14:37.55 | konttori | how big is the eva lib? |
| 14:38.09 | k-s[WORK] | konttori: just for basic packages, demo you need to copy files yourself |
| 14:38.10 | gomiam | konttori: it's not that I don't like it. It's just that some videos only played right the first time, and then lost video/audio synchronization. |
| 14:38.20 | trevarthan | konttori: you shouldn't have to install pysqlite. It comes with python 2.5. You just need python 2.5. That and mplayer are the only dependencies. I'll fix the mplayer dep in the near future for non-a2dpd playback, but a2dpd will need mplayer for a while. |
| 14:38.28 | k-s[WORK] | konttori: evas + edje (theme) and few other bits are under 3mb |
| 14:38.41 | k-s[WORK] | konttori: I think that it all, with python bindings are under 3mb |
| 14:38.50 | konttori | trevarthan: but osx doesn't have it in python isntalls |
| 14:39.05 | konttori | so, I was thinking of testing it first on desktop |
| 14:39.14 | trevarthan | konttori: run it on the tablet then. |
| 14:39.16 | k-s[WORK] | konttori: canola and other products will use it, so this size will be disolved :-) |
| 14:39.36 | konttori | yeah. and 3 megs is ok anyway. |
| 14:40.00 | k-s[WORK] | konttori: test evas on desktop? |
| 14:40.12 | trevarthan | konttori: You mean python2.5 for osx doesn't come with sqlite3 compiled in? |
| 14:40.16 | k-s[WORK] | konttori: I'll try to package that stuff for ubuntu |
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| 14:40.54 | trevarthan | konttori: have you installed python from here? http://www.python.org/ftp/python/2.5.1/python-2.5.1-macosx.dmg |
| 14:41.25 | trevarthan | I'm concerned if sqlite3 doesn't come with python on osx. it comes with it on win32... |
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| 14:43.18 | chrissturm | is there a scummvm 0.10 port for maemo. the scummvm site lists very exotic platforms, but not maemo |
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| 14:46.07 | noknok_ | HI |
| 14:47.00 | noknok_ | i'm looking for recording camera stream! Anyone have made it before?? |
| 14:47.20 | gomiam | recording camera stream... through the N800 camera application? |
| 14:47.33 | noknok_ | no, with my own |
| 14:47.43 | noknok_ | but on a N800 |
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| 14:48.00 | gomiam | something like podcasting directly from the N800 then? |
| 14:48.19 | eugene | i think i read it in internetforums before |
| 14:48.26 | eugene | about video streaming to pc |
| 14:48.40 | noknok_ | in fact, i want to send my video on a upnp renderer |
| 14:48.49 | gomiam | ok |
| 14:49.10 | gomiam | that should be do-able... don't know how right now, though. |
| 14:49.17 | noknok_ | i've tried with gstreamer but there is no encoder |
| 14:49.47 | pupnik | chrissturm: yes there is scummvm and it is excellent |
| 14:49.54 | pupnik | check garage.maemo.org |
| 14:49.59 | gomiam | a crude option would be using FUSE and sshfs to write to a remote pipe |
| 14:50.05 | noknok_ | and it can be compile on arm architecture?? |
| 14:50.17 | dev | noknok_: there was a gstreamer pipeline mentioned a few days ago |
| 14:50.44 | noknok_ | which pipeline?? |
| 14:51.27 | trevarthan | that scummvm thing looks cool. Is there an easy way to buy games for it cheaply? |
| 14:51.46 | gomiam | you may want to check abandonware sites |
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| 14:52.08 | gomiam | http://www.goodolddays.net/ |
| 14:52.15 | gomiam | that one might be useful |
| 14:52.34 | chrissturm | trevarthan: there are some free games available for it, flight of the amazon queen and beneath a steel sky |
| 14:52.43 | konttori | trevarthan: I have python 2.4. There is no pygame for python 2.5 |
| 14:53.01 | konttori | and no, it doesn't come with 2.5 either. |
| 14:53.09 | konttori | .. I think. |
| 14:53.30 | dev | noknok_: http://www.nerdlogger.com/2007/05/streaming-quicktime-from-nokia-n800.htm, based on http://web.media.mit.edu/~lifton/snippets/n800_to_sl/ |
| 14:53.53 | trevarthan | konttori: I'm positive sqlite comes with python 2.5. |
| 14:54.00 | trevarthan | I'll check on the pygame thing... |
| 14:54.20 | konttori | trevarthan: great! |
| 14:54.37 | noknok_ | dev : the page doesn't exist |
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| 14:55.14 | dev | and a 'l' to the end |
| 14:55.40 | dev | seems to got lost on pasting |
| 14:55.48 | noknok_ | ok |
| 14:56.24 | konttori | quite a lot of work, but a really nice idea! |
| 14:56.45 | konttori | not that I have even ever tested second life, but ... sounds great! |
| 14:57.52 | dev | konttori: for the 'normal' streaming one probably doesn't need everything there |
| 14:58.22 | konttori | gomian: sorry to hear that it looses sync. Are you able to play the same files in sync by using mplayer? |
| 14:58.32 | konttori | dev: true. |
| 14:58.35 | nate12o6 | does anyone know what kins of radio streams are supported with the n770? |
| 14:59.08 | dev | noknok_: which MediaRenderer? |
| 14:59.40 | noknok_ | just an Intel example renderer for testing |
| 15:00.03 | noknok_ | but i'd prefere record the video before send it |
| 15:01.01 | konttori | nate: mp3 radio streams and .rm streams |
| 15:01.33 | trevarthan | konttori: yeah, doesn't look like pygame exists for OSX and python 2.5 as a package. You'd have to build it yourself. Somebody has to do it... |
| 15:01.50 | konttori | yeah, and make the installer and.... I won't do it. |
| 15:02.06 | trevarthan | konttori: If you've got python2.5 on your tablet then you could just run it there though. |
| 15:02.31 | nate12o6 | konttori: man that sux. are there any tricks to get other stream formats? |
| 15:02.59 | nate12o6 | for example the streams from radiotime.com? |
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| 15:04.56 | trevarthan | konttori: I don't have a mac, or I'd help you out. :) Sorry man. |
| 15:05.29 | chrissturm | konttori: you could try macports |
| 15:06.03 | _Shurik_ | Hey guys, what do you think would be the best way to control winamp on the desktop via n800 (other then vnc or rdesktop)? |
| 15:06.37 | Jaffa | WinAmp's got a remote control protocol IIRC. Nice little TCP Python app & GUI |
| 15:06.50 | _Shurik_ | ahha |
| 15:06.56 | bstock | possibly design a web interface and run it on the desktop |
| 15:06.57 | KaylaKaze | or a web based app. there are plugins for that |
| 15:07.13 | _Shurik_ | awsome, that's what I need |
| 15:07.35 | bstock | http://www.flippet.org/wawi/ |
| 15:08.11 | _Shurik_ | oh nice, thank you! |
| 15:08.37 | bstock | it's old though, may not work for newer winamp versions |
| 15:08.44 | _Shurik_ | now I will have a better way to select music while I'm floating in the pool |
| 15:08.48 | _Shurik_ | well, it's a start though |
| 15:10.12 | KaylaKaze | for using while floating in the pool, if you're in line of sight to the player, I'd suggest just an IR remote so you don't get your n800 soaked |
| 15:10.33 | _Shurik_ | I keep it in ziploc bag :) |
| 15:11.36 | Dr_Nunim | How many do you need? |
| 15:11.40 | Dr_Nunim | 1000? |
| 15:11.52 | Dr_Nunim | Gah wrong chan. |
| 15:12.01 | dragorn | or pick up a 770 for 1/2 the cost so when you fry it you don't feel so bad |
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| 15:13.39 | _Shurik_ | well, I might stop doing that simply because IT's screen is not very sun friendly |
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| 15:16.34 | bstock | i saw 770's for sale for $140 |
| 15:16.53 | bstock | http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=204081472 |
| 15:17.46 | gla55_ | also at http://www.mobileplanet.com/p.aspx?i=141019&se=239 |
| 15:19.20 | dragorn | Yeah, I picked up a second one, goal is to make it the frontend to a car pc |
| 15:19.29 | dragorn | a lot cheaper than a lilliput touchscreen, and hopefully easier to install |
| 15:19.50 | dragorn | just have to get around to writing some gui code for it |
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| 15:20.38 | gla55_ | yeah for 140$ it's not bad a price for a programmable photoframe or newsframe or whatever either.. |
| 15:21.01 | dragorn | little small for a photo frame maybe, but not bad |
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| 15:24.50 | _Shurik_ | true |
| 15:25.44 | _Shurik_ | but I will not prabably get 770 though. I'd rather put that $140 to the side towards the new tablet :) |
| 15:26.04 | Jaffa | You mean an N800? |
| 15:28.43 | _Shurik_ | no, n800 is what I have |
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| 15:28.55 | _Shurik_ | but I suppose something new will come out in a year or so |
| 15:29.22 | Jaffa | True. |
| 15:30.43 | pupnik | I'm gonna gimp up an image of my dream N900 :P |
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| 15:31.43 | Andy80 | hi |
| 15:31.56 | _Shurik_ | pupnik: go for it |
| 15:32.02 | konttori | chrissturm: macports doesn't list what's included. |
| 15:32.07 | k-s[WORK] | konttori: http://edevelop.org/ubuntu/dists/ --- evas, edje, ... packages for ubuntu |
| 15:32.51 | Andy80 | I'm very very confused about wich package I need to develop with maemo.... what is the differences betweene these packages: http://repository.maemo.org/stable/gregale/i386/Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.2_i386-rootstrap.tgz, http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d2.php?f=Maemo_Dev_Platform_rootfs_Nokia_Binaries_v2.2.tar.gz, http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d2.php?f=Maemo_Dev_Platform_rootstrap_Nokia_Binaries_v2.2.tar.gz ??? |
| 15:33.19 | konttori | k-s[work]: great. I'll test them out on my vmware. |
| 15:33.45 | pupnik | Andy80: follow the scratchbox howto |
| 15:33.50 | chrissturm | konttori: py25-sqlite3 is the package in macports |
| 15:34.10 | konttori | but is pygame? |
| 15:34.41 | Andy80 | pupnik: wich one? this http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_2.2_Tutorial.html ? I hope you don't call it an howto :S it has a lot of errors... it'unusable! |
| 15:35.12 | pupnik | :/ |
| 15:35.22 | chrissturm | konttori: py-game |
| 15:35.54 | KaylaKaze | the i386 is for when you make a program and test it on 386 |
| 15:35.58 | KaylaKaze | x86* |
| 15:36.14 | nate12o6 | does anyone know how i can get a .asf internet radio feed playing on my 770? |
| 15:36.21 | KaylaKaze | there should be a armel-rootstrap for targetting 770 |
| 15:37.06 | Andy80 | pupnik: I'm trying to re-write a correct howto in italian and english languages... few months ago I was able to setup a complete development environment but I forgot some things... and I need correct info to write a correct howto :) |
| 15:37.20 | KaylaKaze | I don't think the "binaries" part is necessary. I'm not sure. I don't think the rootfs ones are, at least |
| 15:38.04 | robtaylor | luck^: hey, i just built plain-vanilla python-xml straight from unmodified ubuntu source! |
| 15:38.08 | pupnik | Good job Andy80 . I forgot what i used to set up the scratchbox root filesystem |
| 15:38.08 | Andy80 | KaylaKaze: so this http://repository.maemo.org/stable/gregale/i386/Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.2_i386-rootstrap.tgz is enough? |
| 15:38.36 | KaylaKaze | for making programs to test on the SDK I think it is |
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| 15:39.06 | Andy80 | KaylaKaze: in union with this, offcourse http://repository.maemo.org/stable/gregale/armel/Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.2_armel-rootstrap.tgz |
| 15:39.18 | KaylaKaze | yeah |
| 15:39.20 | Andy80 | so I can build apps for n770 too |
| 15:39.22 | Andy80 | ok |
| 15:39.38 | KaylaKaze | I'm not sure if the cross compiling stuff is needed |
| 15:39.55 | KaylaKaze | or those nokia binaries. I think those nokia binaries are recommended but not necessary |
| 15:40.49 | Andy80 | KaylaKaze: note... I had those two url saved from the first time I installed it... they're not linked on the official howto :( |
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| 15:41.51 | Andy80 | no excuse me... they're linked.... but only in the second part of howto... very confusing... |
| 15:42.06 | KaylaKaze | I know. I read it |
| 15:42.33 | KaylaKaze | but in tablets-dev, there are some decent install.txt files |
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| 15:50.36 | Andy80 | KaylaKaze: I finish the italian howto, and I'll test it. You can view it here: http://www.ptlug.org/wiki/Howto_Installazione_Maemo_SDK_Nokia_770 but it's in italian language. I'll translate it to english as soon as possible. |
| 15:51.34 | nate12o6 | has anyone had there on screen keyboard go blank on them? it has all the icons to the left and right but i can write or type in the middle. |
| 15:52.20 | _Shurik_ | weird |
| 15:52.36 | Jaffa | I've heard of it before, but never seen it. |
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| 15:57.10 | nate12o6 | man it really sux. i cant rix it |
| 15:57.12 | nate12o6 | fix* |
| 15:57.51 | _Shurik_ | hm, weird |
| 15:58.08 | _Shurik_ | can you switch to handwriting and then back? |
| 15:58.13 | nate12o6 | nope |
| 15:58.15 | nate12o6 | there both blank |
| 15:58.31 | _Shurik_ | what the heck did you do? |
| 15:58.38 | nate12o6 | nothing |
| 15:58.44 | nate12o6 | it just started coming up blank |
| 15:59.21 | _Shurik_ | sounds like reflash to me |
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| 16:10.38 | mk8 | Hi to all |
| 16:10.49 | _Shurik_ | hola |
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| 16:14.20 | nate12o6 | hio |
| 16:15.20 | _Shurik_ | why do I have to work today... |
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| 16:30.32 | nate12o6 | anyone have any luck streaming asf? |
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| 16:34.16 | pupnik | nate12o6: maybe mplayer can do it |
| 16:34.42 | luck^ | robtaylor.. sorry.. lunch time and I forgot to change nickname |
| 16:35.50 | luck^ | robtaylor, ubuntu python packages look very useful to maemo |
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| 16:48.15 | robtaylor | luck^: hmm, got any tricks to make scratchbox stop being clever and running its builtin python? |
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| 16:50.40 | luck^ | robtaylor, :) well.. if you can't force the use of python2.5 explicitly another way is to rename the /scratchbox/tools/bin/python to python2.3 |
| 16:51.40 | robtaylor | luck^: ok.. I think i'll just have to do small changes to packages to force 2.5 |
| 16:52.06 | luck^ | but you will get some problems when you try to run move, ls, etc if you rename python |
| 16:52.30 | luck^ | I did this way to compile kiwi packages |
| 16:53.17 | luck^ | robtaylor, its better to force python2.5 usage instead python |
| 16:53.44 | luck^ | this another workaround is just for emergencies |
| 16:55.18 | robtaylor | luck^: here's looking forward to sbox2 ;) |
| 16:55.52 | luck^ | robtaylor, for sure! ;) |
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| 17:06.08 | unique311 | konttori, you have a deb for you mediaplayer for ubuntu |
| 17:13.05 | konttori | unique: for ubuntu as in desktop? |
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| 17:19.02 | hrhr | hi, can anybody help me with maemo-sdk-install_3.1.sh....it writes that my version of scratchbox is old and I need 1.0.7 but I have just installed 1.0.7 |
| 17:20.25 | hrhr | auuu.....anybody here? |
| 17:20.57 | hrhr | вот уроды....а еще говорÑÑ‚ руÑÑкие маемо делают... |
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| 17:22.32 | unique311 | konttori, yes |
| 17:22.43 | _Shurik_ | what was that? UTF-8? |
| 17:23.08 | hrhr | yes |
| 17:23.12 | hrhr | sorry |
| 17:23.20 | _Shurik_ | I can only see cp1251 |
| 17:23.30 | hrhr | =) |
| 17:23.37 | konttori | unique311: the same install should work, but audio playback needs a few small changes there. |
| 17:23.48 | konttori | (as your system probably does not had dsp for audio playback) |
| 17:23.53 | konttori | have |
| 17:24.11 | hrhr | _Shurik_: privet from Rostov-na-Donu |
| 17:24.36 | hrhr | _Shurik_: can you help me with maemo? |
| 17:25.34 | konttori | I just updated ukmp to 1.4 beta 2. Fixes problems playing avi files. |
| 17:25.40 | konttori | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1693/UKMP-1.4-uktube0.6beta2.deb |
| 17:26.01 | _Shurik_ | privet, unfortunatelly no as I haven't done any coding myself yet... But there are lots of people here who can. Just wait! |
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| 17:27.37 | hrhr | _Shuric_: have you a n800? |
| 17:28.02 | _Shurik_ | hrhr: yes |
| 17:28.26 | hrhr | where you bought it? |
| 17:28.34 | hrhr | Russia? |
| 17:28.37 | _Shurik_ | buy.com |
| 17:28.39 | _Shurik_ | no, I |
| 17:28.43 | _Shurik_ | I live in the states |
| 17:28.49 | hrhr | aaa |
| 17:28.51 | hrhr | =( |
| 17:29.03 | _Shurik_ | n800 not available in Russia? |
| 17:29.19 | hrhr | official nokia in Russia can't ship n800 to Rostov only Moscow |
| 17:30.00 | hrhr | how mutch it cost in US? |
| 17:30.31 | _Shurik_ | I payed 380 for it I think |
| 17:31.02 | _Shurik_ | but then I got 8gig SD memory for it and a gps unit |
| 17:31.24 | hrhr | uh....www.nokia-shop.ru....look, 15000 rub ~ 550$ |
| 17:31.37 | hrhr | without sd and gps |
| 17:32.04 | _Shurik_ | yeah... always much more expensive |
| 17:32.25 | _Shurik_ | let's dig an underground tunnel so we can wheel-barrel those things in for cheap |
| 17:37.08 | hrhr | _Shuric_: are buy.com ships in to Russia? |
| 17:37.27 | _Shurik_ | probably not... |
| 17:37.40 | hrhr | =( |
| 17:37.46 | hrhr | urodi |
| 17:37.59 | _Shurik_ | but still some people get them somehow |
| 17:38.13 | hrhr | may be you know any US company which ships n800 to Russia? |
| 17:38.37 | hrhr | 380$ n800 and 100$ shipping I think |
| 17:39.11 | _Shurik_ | you should probably see what you can order from europe instead |
| 17:39.18 | _Shurik_ | shipping might be cheaper |
| 17:39.30 | _Shurik_ | what are you getting n800 for? Business or pleasure? |
| 17:39.47 | hrhr | for me only |
| 17:40.04 | hrhr | I like gadgets |
| 17:40.07 | _Shurik_ | personal bathroom assistant |
| 17:40.14 | hrhr | =) |
| 17:40.23 | _Shurik_ | I'll be back, gotta get some lunch |
| 17:40.24 | _Shurik_ | starving |
| 17:40.26 | _Shurik_ | brb |
| 17:41.22 | ab | hrhr: might make sense to ask someone travelling to Moscow from Rostov to buy it at Nokia shop |
| 17:42.43 | hrhr | ab: I think about it, but nowbody....shipping on bus 100rub, but I haven't man in moscow for buying |
| 17:42.58 | hrhr | *nobody |
| 17:44.31 | hrhr | how mutch n800 in germany? |
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| 17:45.11 | ab | 399EUR, may be a bit less |
| 17:45.20 | Xenon3DN | Yo. |
| 17:45.34 | Xenon3DN | k-s[WORK] -- you awake? |
| 17:46.10 | hrhr | ab: why 380$ in US and 399EUR in europe?... |
| 17:46.39 | ab | hrhr: nokia set up same price at the opening: $399 and 399EUR |
| 17:46.59 | ab | this is Nokia's way to do things, it was the same with 770 |
| 17:47.21 | hrhr | and 15000rub |
| 17:47.21 | hrhr | fuck |
| 17:47.26 | hrhr | same as zauruses |
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| 17:49.38 | hrhr | ab: are you Russian? |
| 17:49.44 | ab | hrhr: kind of. |
| 17:49.59 | hrhr | =/ |
| 17:50.53 | hrhr | and what part of you is Russian?=) |
| 17:51.23 | ab | hrhr: 100% if you speak on blood, 0% of passport |
| 17:51.48 | hrhr | mda |
| 17:52.33 | hrhr | it's true that Russians created n770-800 project? |
| 17:53.53 | ab | there are many nationalities involved, some of them are of Slavic family, including Russian |
| 17:53.55 | ab | :-) |
| 17:54.22 | hrhr | as I think=) |
| 17:54.36 | hrhr | http://www.nokia-shop.ru/phones/nokia-n800/ |
| 17:55.13 | hrhr | as I listen problem with sdhc is solved on n800? |
| 17:57.01 | ab | I hope the patch will be in next firmware |
| 17:57.06 | milhouse | sdhc problem? you mean not supported by firmware? |
| 17:57.11 | k-s[WORK] | Xenon3DN: sorry, I was away |
| 17:57.19 | milhouse | allegedly sdhc is in the next firmware |
| 17:57.50 | hrhr | in official firmware from nokia? |
| 17:58.08 | milhouse | hrhr: allegedly, yes |
| 17:58.18 | hrhr | what things I need to look at first when I'll by n800? |
| 17:58.18 | milhouse | the next as yet unreleased firmware |
| 17:59.21 | milhouse | depends... what interests you? |
| 17:59.21 | hrhr | any diagnostic menu like in zauruses? |
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| 17:59.43 | milhouse | ah... you'll probably want to get root so install becomeroot or put the device in R&D mode |
| 17:59.48 | thoughtfix | I am reloading the firmware repository every 4 hours or so. |
| 17:59.50 | thoughtfix | <-- addict |
| 17:59.53 | milhouse | then install xterm and ssh (open ssh or dropbear) |
| 18:00.02 | milhouse | thoughtfix++ |
| 18:00.10 | milhouse | karma thoughtfix |
| 18:00.10 | _Monkey | thoughtfix has karma of 1 |
| 18:00.17 | milhouse | :) |
| 18:00.39 | thoughtfix | Everyone expects me to drop a Skype review and videos on day 1 |
| 18:00.42 | thoughtfix | I must not disappoint |
| 18:00.47 | sp3000 | thoughtfix, maybe we need a bot for that :P |
| 18:01.06 | milhouse | i want a full review before the end of the day! |
| 18:01.15 | thoughtfix | Well |
| 18:01.22 | milhouse | with youtube videos |
| 18:01.22 | thoughtfix | If I wake up any given morning and there's a new firmware |
| 18:01.32 | sp3000 | (the release watching, not the review) |
| 18:01.33 | thoughtfix | Chances are I'm calling in "sick" to my day job |
| 18:01.41 | milhouse | hehe |
| 18:01.41 | thoughtfix | rofl |
| 18:02.15 | thoughtfix | The best thing Nokia could do for me is release it at 7 PM Arizona time. |
| 18:02.32 | milhouse | skype packages seem to be leaking out... most odd |
| 18:02.36 | thoughtfix | But that's 5 AM Helsinki time |
| 18:02.48 | milhouse | should we give you a wake up call? |
| 18:02.54 | thoughtfix | Yes please |
| 18:02.57 | thoughtfix | ;) |
| 18:03.00 | milhouse | lol |
| 18:03.07 | milhouse | i only half-jest... ;) |
| 18:04.06 | thoughtfix | Can you imagine |
| 18:04.09 | thoughtfix | 3 AM Arizona time |
| 18:04.13 | thoughtfix | my phone rings ... |
| 18:04.17 | thoughtfix | "mmmmh?" |
| 18:04.20 | thoughtfix | "New firmware" |
| 18:04.25 | milhouse | "Get on it!" |
| 18:04.29 | thoughtfix | "WHOA! Got it! Okay!" |
| 18:04.43 | milhouse | "Bye!" |
| 18:04.51 | thoughtfix | Simultaneous downloading and espresso brewing |
| 18:05.09 | milhouse | i have to admire the dedication :) |
| 18:05.16 | thoughtfix | Well |
| 18:05.28 | thoughtfix | One day I hope to make a living off writing |
| 18:05.28 | milhouse | do you feel pangs of guilt if you haven't blogged for a while? |
| 18:05.49 | thoughtfix | Dude ... Let me tell you ... I have a woman in my life now and it's a battle. |
| 18:06.14 | milhouse | argh... nightmare - they demand so much of your attention!! |
| 18:06.14 | thoughtfix | And yes, I do. |
| 18:06.20 | thoughtfix | Well |
| 18:06.26 | milhouse | (don't tell her that though - bad things might happen) |
| 18:06.40 | thoughtfix | Yeah. I can't blog with her around, that's certain. |
| 18:06.51 | thoughtfix | Especially not videos. |
| 18:07.07 | milhouse | well we do appreciate your efforts |
| 18:07.31 | milhouse | i hope you get a job blogging or something similar... did you see Stefan from RingNokia got a job blogging full time? |
| 18:07.32 | thoughtfix | :) I do appriciate the great device |
| 18:07.46 | thoughtfix | Right... That's good for him. |
| 18:08.02 | milhouse | you may be flooded with devices next year... so many devices, so little blogging time... |
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| 18:08.47 | thoughtfix | Actually I am kind of wary of the Origami UMPCs now. One very specific reason stands out: http://www.ultramobilegeek.com/2007/06/microsofts-origami-team-goes-dark.html |
| 18:09.21 | milhouse | i was thinking more of the Intel MIDs... the Origamis are way overrated - devices looking for a problem |
| 18:09.44 | milhouse | Maybe Microsoft have thrown in the towel |
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| 18:10.09 | milhouse | Add Origami to the list along with Bob etc. |
| 18:10.17 | thoughtfix | I want to know more about the Intel MID, but Intel's marketing department is not very responsive to "small" bloggers |
| 18:10.54 | milhouse | maybe they're short of hardware at this stage? |
| 18:11.10 | milhouse | i thought they were targetting mid 2008 for launch |
| 18:11.21 | milhouse | 45nm CPU etc. |
| 18:12.30 | Andy80 | hi again |
| 18:13.13 | Andy80 | I've finished translating my howto that explain how to install the Maemo SDK 2.2 on Linux, to develop N770 applications. You can find it here: http://www.ptlug.org/wiki/Howto_Installing_Maemo_SDK_for_Nokia_770 |
| 18:13.37 | Andy80 | feel free to copy, modify it ecc.... it should be 100% working. I've tested it on my own machine. |
| 18:14.02 | Andy80 | I've to go now, see ya later :) |
| 18:14.05 | milhouse | Andy80++ |
| 18:14.11 | hrhr | Andy80: can yo help me with 3.1 ? |
| 18:14.16 | hrhr | maemo sdk |
| 18:14.18 | thoughtfix | I think I'll use my ultramobilegeek branding to cover Intel MIDs. I don't want to pollute tabletblog with too may non-maemo devices. |
| 18:14.52 | milhouse | i'm sure there'll be some cross over but also two quite different strategies as well |
| 18:14.55 | milhouse | so probably wise |
| 18:15.25 | milhouse | i think umpcs will morph into MIDs so ultramobile geek probably covers that "side" of things |
| 18:15.55 | thoughtfix | Right... and since tabletblog is about 250 posts that are ALL about Nokia tablets, accessories, editorials, and related technology, I'll keep unrelated devices off. |
| 18:16.15 | milhouse | keep the riff raff out |
| 18:16.25 | thoughtfix | and tabletblog has nearly 3x the subscriber base according to feedburner. |
| 18:16.42 | thoughtfix | Though both have had boosts lately. |
| 18:17.01 | etrunko | you seen skype is almos available?? |
| 18:17.08 | etrunko | http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/pool/bora/user/s/skype/ |
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| 18:17.16 | etrunko | *almost |
| 18:17.30 | etrunko | there are some missing dependencies |
| 18:17.49 | milhouse | interesting that it's in bora - that means it doesn't need new firmware |
| 18:18.41 | unique311 | was going to mention the same |
| 18:18.42 | unique311 | bora |
| 18:18.55 | thoughtfix | Most people assume that the firmware will include Skype or that they will happen at the same time. I think this will be the case too as there will likely be improvements to how the tablets handle audio |
| 18:18.57 | unique311 | thats a good thing |
| 18:19.01 | etrunko | milhouse: also notice there is an empty chinook directory there |
| 18:19.30 | unique311 | install skype without the need to update firmware would be nice. |
| 18:19.43 | milhouse | i don't think we're getting chinook any time soon are we? that's maemo 4.0 isn't it? |
| 18:20.02 | etrunko | thoughtfix: i think there will be a firmware upgrade along with skype |
| 18:20.11 | milhouse | i'm happy for Skype to be a seperate download though I had kind of assumed it might be tied into the new firmware release |
| 18:20.15 | etrunko | milhouse: who knows... |
| 18:20.20 | Xenon3DN | k-s[WORK]: And then _I_ was at lunch. You still around? |
| 18:20.38 | thoughtfix | I've never seen a reason to NOT upgrade firmware on the tablets, though. Unlike borking DUN on my Motorola Q, the Tablet firmware upgrades have never broken any functionality to my knowledge. |
| 18:20.55 | k-s[WORK] | Xenon3DN: yep |
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| 18:21.11 | k-s[WORK] | what 4gb sd are you using? |
| 18:21.17 | milhouse | thoughtfix: timezone locals :) |
| 18:21.49 | milhouse | thoughtfix: that firmware, can't remember which one, where Nokia managed to ship it with only the Helsinki timezone file! |
| 18:21.54 | Xenon3DN | KaylaKaze and I both tried getting Canola to work with files. We can get it to work with files locally on the MMC card, but despite adding the share to the Canola Config media library list, it never seems to find the files. |
| 18:22.02 | etrunko | thoughtfix: that's because upgrade as it is done right now is suboptimal... It should be upgradable as any other linux distro |
| 18:22.04 | thoughtfix | That was fixed quick though, wasn't it? |
| 18:22.14 | milhouse | thoughtfix: not by Nokia |
| 18:22.31 | thoughtfix | etrunko: I am sure it CAN be upgraded to any distro if someone bothers coding the bootstraps/rootstraps |
| 18:22.33 | milhouse | I think someone in the community came up with a download timezone tar but Nokia didn't fix it |
| 18:22.35 | thoughtfix | BRB |
| 18:22.40 | milhouse | until the next release several months later |
| 18:23.07 | k-s[WORK] | Xenon3DN: from Xterm, ls /my/mount/point list files? |
| 18:23.21 | etrunko | thoughtfix: that's nokia job |
| 18:23.22 | Xenon3DN | ... Let me get the device fired up. |
| 18:23.40 | k-s[WORK] | Xenon3DN: it's weird if not, because I use regular unix opendir() readdir() ... |
| 18:24.17 | Xenon3DN | Is there anywhere that I can browse Canola's data files directly, to see for myself where it is looking and what it is searching? |
| 18:24.48 | milhouse | etrunko - I think Nokia are working on ensuring that the application manager can update the OS as well to the point where reflashing is no longer the norm. there's a bug that was marked as fixed which now allows application to be restored following a backup/reflash which will be nice |
| 18:25.23 | k-s[WORK] | Xenon3DN: try to trigger rescan, canola-conf-rescan.sh (i think that's the name) |
| 18:25.32 | etrunko | milhouse: that's really nice. |
| 18:25.41 | k-s[WORK] | Xenon3DN: it should register these in ~/.canola/canola.db |
| 18:25.59 | Xenon3DN | Is that human-readable? |
| 18:27.08 | andrunko | Xenon3DN: sqlite |
| 18:29.26 | nate12o6 | has anyone got pptp working on there n770? |
| 18:31.17 | k-s[WORK] | Xenon3DN: sqlite3 ~/.canola/canola.db |
| 18:31.55 | _Shurik_ | Hmmm, Xenon... I'd like to have that ported to n800 :) (the game, Xenon 2) |
| 18:33.13 | Xenon3DN | ;) |
| 18:33.33 | _Shurik_ | good 'ol game |
| 18:36.03 | thoughtfix | etrunko: I don't think it's Nokia's job to deliver alternate Linux distributions on the tablet. The tablet is a consumer electronics device and Nokia's responsibility is just to make sure it works properly and they're going above and beyond by offering development tools. |
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| 18:36.22 | etrunko | thoughtfix: i'm not talking about alternate distros |
| 18:36.46 | thoughtfix | What were you referring to then? |
| 18:36.53 | etrunko | my feeling is the tablet system should be upgradable like any other linux distro |
| 18:37.41 | thoughtfix | People have already been rolling their own custom kernels and modules... It's just not as easy on an embedded device as it is on a desktop. |
| 18:38.47 | etrunko | yes, but for the whole majority it wouldn't be a problem |
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| 18:39.14 | guardian | re |
| 18:39.20 | guardian | anyone knows what is this scratchbox-devkit-maemo3 i can see in apt ? |
| 18:39.21 | Xenon3DN | k-s[WORK]: Restesting everything now to make sure I have correct, current info for you. |
| 18:39.40 | guardian | i launched the scratchbox install script foudn on repository.maemo.org but it did not install it |
| 18:39.46 | guardian | and also, http://repository.maemo.org/stable/bora gives 404 :(((( |
| 18:40.55 | etrunko | guardian: try http://repository.maemo.org/stable/3.1 |
| 18:40.58 | etrunko | wow |
| 18:41.03 | etrunko | now we also have 3.2 |
| 18:41.44 | etrunko | bora is pointing to 3.2 which is not working yet |
| 18:42.15 | hrhr | etrunko: are you deal with 3.1? |
| 18:42.39 | etrunko | hrhr: 3.1 is the latest (known) stable |
| 18:44.13 | hrhr | I'v problem with installing it...with scratchbox 1.0.7...inst script say that I have old version of scratchbox |
| 18:44.24 | hrhr | but I just install 1.0.7 |
| 18:45.33 | k-s[WORK] | which 4gb sd do you use? I've bought one sandisk SD-HC, but no luck :-( |
| 18:45.45 | Xenon3DN | k-s[WORK]: Verified still unable to see MP3s in Canola. Am able to ls them from xterm. Checking the sql database now... |
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| 18:46.08 | k-s[WORK] | scsi 2:0:0:0: Direct-Access SanDisk SDDR-113 1.00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 |
| 18:46.13 | nokipup | i love irssi on the nokia |
| 18:46.14 | k-s[WORK] | (on my PC) |
| 18:46.32 | X-Fade | k-s[WORK]: Did you install the patched kenel? |
| 18:46.43 | k-s[WORK] | X-Fade: no... where I can find it? |
| 18:47.15 | milhouse | k-s: I own Transcend SDHC Class 2 (4GB and 8GB) cards which have no problems; I've got a 4GB SDHC Class 2 SanDisk card and it's much slower than the Transcends - the SanDisk cards don't support high speed mode so I would tend to avoid San Disk if at all possible (though it should work) |
| 18:47.47 | k-s[WORK] | milhouse: any patch required to use it? |
| 18:48.10 | milhouse | Patch SDHC Kernel is at http://intr.overt.org/blog/?p=50 |
| 18:48.13 | X-Fade | http://intr.overt.org/blog/?p=49 |
| 18:48.19 | X-Fade | Ah duh ;) |
| 18:48.43 | milhouse | you link has more meat on it but they should both point to the same download location :) |
| 18:48.57 | milhouse | Patch SDHC Kernel? |
| 18:48.58 | _Monkey | it has been said that Patch SDHC Kernel is at http://intr.overt.org/blog/?p=50 |
| 18:49.05 | milhouse | forget Patch SDHC Kernel |
| 18:49.05 | _Monkey | milhouse: I forgot patch sdhc kernel |
| 18:49.29 | milhouse | Patched SDHC Kernel is at http://intr.overt.org/n800-sdhc-kernel/sdhc-kernel-3.2007.10.bin |
| 18:49.49 | guardian | well |
| 18:49.58 | guardian | installing 3.1 with the scripts does not work that much |
| 18:50.11 | guardian | it complains devkit-debian is not installed |
| 18:50.13 | guardian | but it is |
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| 18:50.24 | thoughtfix | Hmm |
| 18:50.32 | sbaturzio | Aloha! |
| 18:50.33 | guardian | i installed scratchbox with the scripts on maemo.org |
| 18:50.38 | guardian | and it's all fucked up :) |
| 18:50.43 | thoughtfix | 16GB SDHC. Heh. |
| 18:50.43 | guardian | anyway ... |
| 18:50.54 | guardian | is there an announcement about 3.2 ? |
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| 18:51.06 | milhouse | 16GB SDHC, not far off I should imagine |
| 18:52.12 | hrhr | guardian: and how you set up SDK? |
| 18:52.26 | guardian | sdk setup fails |
| 18:52.41 | guardian | the script complains about devkit-debian |
| 18:52.47 | guardian | prolly version mismatch |
| 18:52.50 | milhouse | guardian - i think Nokia tend to release the SDKs a week or two after the firmware... or maybe that's the source code for the firmware... |
| 18:53.16 | milhouse | 3.2 would correspond to the unreleased firmware, wouldn't it? |
| 18:53.17 | unique311 | http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/news-13765-16GB+SDHC+card+by+MICRODIA.html |
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| 18:53.30 | Xenon3DN | Sorry, crashed pidgin. :( |
| 18:53.57 | milhouse | £1800????!!!! |
| 18:54.06 | hrhr | I have devkit-debian |
| 18:54.06 | hrhr | 1.0.6.... |
| 18:54.06 | hrhr | here problem? |
| 18:54.08 | Xenon3DN | k-s[WORK]: Is sqlite3 part of an optional package? I'm not finding it from xterm. |
| 18:54.18 | k-s[WORK] | Xenon3DN: yes, an extra package |
| 18:54.55 | nokipup | How can bora mplayer be flagged to not install on IT2007 |
| 18:55.12 | unique311 | 3.500 dollars... |
| 18:55.14 | unique311 | lol |
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| 18:55.19 | milhouse | "a bit expensive" |
| 18:55.22 | nokipup | The 770 needs the mistral mplayer |
| 18:55.38 | unique311 | a bit expensive |
| 18:55.43 | melmoth | nokipup, by putting it in the proper repository ? |
| 18:56.00 | unique311 | can buy a descent notebook... |
| 18:56.02 | melmoth | and by having user not using repository not fitted for they device :) |
| 18:56.03 | hrhr | =) |
| 18:56.04 | unique311 | and a desktop at that |
| 18:56.13 | unique311 | and maybe a umpc |
| 18:56.52 | guardian | i've got no luck |
| 18:56.56 | guardian | need to reinstall my box |
| 18:57.07 | guardian | and it happens in the middle of 3.2 release it seems |
| 18:57.13 | guardian | i hope it won't last too long |
| 18:57.23 | guardian | but i'm afraid i'll have to wait until tomorrow or more |
| 18:57.30 | milhouse | i could hire someone to follow me around and swap the two 8GB memory cards in my N800 when required and I'd still have some spare change. |
| 18:57.57 | Xenon3DN | I'm not able to reach http://www.owenwilliams.plus.com/maemo/ which is the sqlite3 maemo homepage. Anyone know the repository details to install it? |
| 18:58.41 | guardian | milhouse: ??? |
| 18:59.04 | guardian | nevermind got it |
| 18:59.31 | milhouse | guardian: sorry, i don't know the answer :( |
| 18:59.51 | guardian | milhouse: no i wondered about your last sentence, about hiring someone :) |
| 18:59.53 | guardian | then i read backlog |
| 18:59.57 | milhouse | oh right... :) |
| 19:00.15 | Xenon3DN | Looks like archive.org has a 3.2.7 copy from Feb 27. Is that new enough? |
| 19:00.16 | milhouse | the link above is for a 16GB SDHC card costing £1800 / $3500!! |
| 19:00.30 | milhouse | quote "it's a bit expensive" |
| 19:01.01 | milhouse | http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/news-13765-16GB+SDHC+card+by+MICRODIA.html |
| 19:01.53 | Nunim | mmm 16gb |
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| 19:08.14 | guardian | i'm still unsure about having the same nickname "bora" for different software releases: 3.0 3.1 3.2 |
| 19:08.15 | milhouse | yow |
| 19:08.16 | _Monkey | There's enough money here to buy 5000 cans of Noodle-Roni! "These are DARK TIMES for all mankind's HIGHEST VALUES!" "These are DARK TIMES for FREEDOM and PROSPERITY!" "These are GREAT TIMES to put your money on BAD GUY to kick the CRAP out of MEGATON MAN!" |
| 19:08.50 | milhouse | Scirocco was 3.0 wasn't it? Bora was 3.1.... should have something else for 3.2 reallyt |
| 19:09.17 | milhouse | and Gregale is something else entirely |
| 19:09.37 | hrhr | have the n800 a2dp profile for playing stereo throught bluetooth? |
| 19:09.46 | milhouse | not supported |
| 19:09.51 | hrhr | =( |
| 19:09.59 | milhouse | :(((((( |
| 19:09.59 | hrhr | how about bluez-alsa? |
| 19:10.10 | guardian | no |
| 19:10.12 | guardian | bora was 3.0 |
| 19:10.17 | guardian | at first |
| 19:10.19 | guardian | then 3.1 |
| 19:10.26 | guardian | scirroro was 2.1 then gregale 2.2 |
| 19:10.32 | guardian | scirocco |
| 19:10.38 | milhouse | bluez-alsa: i think someone is working on getting something working along those lines, but nokia do not officially support a2dp |
| 19:10.54 | unique311 | milhouse, http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/07/microdia-launches-16gb-sdhc-card-your-pocketbook-weeps-for-sham/ |
| 19:10.56 | milhouse | guardian: thanks... i find it all very confusing :) |
| 19:11.01 | unique311 | they got it at 3500 |
| 19:11.02 | guardian | it is :) |
| 19:11.20 | milhouse | I'll take 2! |
| 19:11.44 | unique311 | next year...99 dollars |
| 19:11.53 | unique311 | forget next year.. |
| 19:11.56 | unique311 | by december |
| 19:12.03 | milhouse | yeah, it will depreciate faster than my car! |
| 19:12.31 | k-s[WORK] | Xenon3DN: I'm bit out of time to help you with that |
| 19:12.39 | k-s[WORK] | Xenon3DN: lsobral__ should try to help you |
| 19:12.59 | Xenon3DN | Ok, I'll keep watching for Isobral. |
| 19:13.11 | k-s[WORK] | Xenon3DN: but you can play by disable canola-applet (so canola-conf is not automatically restarted) |
| 19:13.30 | k-s[WORK] | Xenon3DN: then you use export CANOLA_DEBUG=1 |
| 19:13.38 | Xenon3DN | Ok. |
| 19:13.42 | k-s[WORK] | Xenon3DN: then canola-conf -v -v -v to start debug |
| 19:13.52 | Xenon3DN | Will try that. |
| 19:13.55 | Xenon3DN | Thanks! |
| 19:13.56 | k-s[WORK] | andrunko: what's the other environment variables we have? |
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| 19:14.57 | milhouse | The Boys from Brazil aren't busy coding - a firmware release must be imminent!!! ;) |
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| 19:15.28 | andrunko | CANOLA_DEBUG=1 CANOLA_DEBUG_CNLTYPES="*" canola-conf -v -v -v |
| 19:15.37 | andrunko | k-s[WORK]: |
| 19:16.31 | milhouse | So who is going to win the Copa America? |
| 19:17.19 | andrunko | Brazil of course :P |
| 19:17.30 | milhouse | Ha, but you're biased :) |
| 19:17.38 | milhouse | They seem to be struggling a bit |
| 19:19.21 | milhouse | Do you guys know what this Alex Pato guy is like? |
| 19:20.02 | trevarthan | hrhr: I've got a2dp working on my n800. |
| 19:20.14 | andrunko | milhouse: :D |
| 19:20.32 | nokipup | a2dp is what |
| 19:20.51 | trevarthan | stereo bluetooth |
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| 19:21.01 | milhouse | andrunko: my team (Chelsea) are looking to sign him - he's mean to be better than Ronaldo and Ronalihno, which doesn't sound too bad! :) |
| 19:21.10 | milhouse | s/mean/meant/ |
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| 19:21.44 | thoughtfix | Hmm |
| 19:21.49 | thoughtfix | I don't want to be at this job anymore. |
| 19:21.54 | thoughtfix | Can someone give me a new one? ;) |
| 19:22.11 | andrunko | milhouse: i don't know about him |
| 19:22.22 | trevarthan | hrhr: A2DP howto: http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages#Bluetooth_ALSA |
| 19:22.43 | andrunko | milhouse: but if he is as good as ronaldinho he should be good |
| 19:23.02 | milhouse | andrunko: he's meant to be a bit of a wonder kid - time will tell. :) |
| 19:23.22 | trevarthan | I've got a frontend GUI for mplayer that supports switching between normal audio and a2dp audio with the tap of a button too. It's based on ukmp. |
| 19:24.19 | trevarthan | I haven't released a .deb yet as it's still under heavy development, but I've been using it on a daily basis for about a week now. |
| 19:24.28 | nokipup | i would give the guy who ports dillo to gtk2 and maemo a big cheeseburger |
| 19:24.35 | nokipup | nice trevarthan |
| 19:24.45 | milhouse | trevarthan - how does it affect battery life? |
| 19:25.43 | trevarthan | milhouse: It definitely uses more CPU than DSP-only playback, but as long as you leave the screen off it doesn't hurt it too much. |
| 19:26.09 | thoughtfix | Oh "Dillo!" You said dillo. I thought you were being naughty |
| 19:26.20 | trevarthan | I usually leave my n800 plugged in on my desk anyway. When I walk around I unplug it and lock it and place it in my pocket. So battery life is never an issue for me. |
| 19:26.48 | milhouse | i'd use it on the way into work, but could plug the n800 into power when i get there |
| 19:27.20 | milhouse | obviously the less power consumed the better... :) |
| 19:27.36 | milhouse | i'm surprised the iPhone doesn't have A2DP... wonder if that's a Unix/Linux thing? |
| 19:27.47 | trevarthan | milhouse: I don't know what country you live in, but Walmart in the USA carries phone chargers for a standard car jack for like 8 USD. They're super cheap. |
| 19:28.03 | thoughtfix | I built a pocket fission reactor for my N800. It worked until the government took it away saying something about permits and stuff. |
| 19:28.08 | milhouse | UK, and I commute :( |
| 19:28.23 | trevarthan | ah. public transportation? |
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| 19:28.29 | milhouse | yep |
| 19:28.51 | milhouse | trains mostly (overground and underground) with the occasional bus |
| 19:28.55 | milhouse | in London |
| 19:29.06 | trevarthan | I bet it would be ok so long as you left the screen off most of the time. I think you could get at least 2 hours out of it. I've never tried to get more than that. |
| 19:29.25 | thoughtfix | If you're that tight on power, you can get any adapter that'd otherwise work on an N80 phone and use it on the 770 or N800, including USB adapters and a portable USB battery |
| 19:29.37 | milhouse | should be, as it would be in my pocket almost the entire journey |
| 19:30.23 | trevarthan | milhouse: Let me know if you want the frontend GUI. It's GPL python code, so you can just download a tar.gz and run it from an xterm until I make an installer. Requires mplayer and python 2.5. Those are the only dependencies on maemo. |
| 19:30.25 | hrhr | http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages#Bluetooth_ALSA |
| 19:30.27 | hrhr | 23:23 < andrunko> milhouse: but if he is as good as ronaldinho he should be good |
| 19:30.27 | hrhr | 23:24 < milhouse> andrunko: he's meant to be a bit of a wonder kid - time will tell. :) |
| 19:31.18 | milhouse | i think the N800 should be able to do almost any activity for at least 2-3 hours on a single charge, as that should cover most regular commutes |
| 19:31.37 | milhouse | any less than that and something needs to change (the software and/or hardware) |
| 19:32.20 | milhouse | trevarthan - if you send me a link i'll give it a go, i've got a Sony Ericsson bluetooth headset here |
| 19:32.34 | milhouse | oh i see - guardini.us? |
| 19:32.45 | trevarthan | ok. gimme a sec to tar it up. guardiani.us, yes. |
| 19:33.53 | nokipup | i get over 7 on the 770 |
| 19:33.59 | trevarthan | milhouse: go ahead and download mplayer and the bluez debs from that link first. You'll need those to run a2dp. |
| 19:34.17 | milhouse | ok |
| 19:34.47 | nokipup | anyone know of a lightweight browser alternative for the tablets |
| 19:34.52 | trevarthan | the mplayer I package is slightly different from the one on maemo.org. It has the software mp3 codec and alsa compiled in. Otherwise it's identical. |
| 19:35.19 | milhouse | ok i'll uninstall my current mplayer |
| 19:35.56 | nokipup | why use the software mp3 codec... |
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| 19:38.54 | jpt9 | does anyone know if there's a build of links for OS 2007? |
| 19:39.17 | trevarthan | nokipup: you have to use software mp3 because you need to decode the mp3 and send it to alsa so the a2dpd process can encode it as SBC and send it over a2dp protocol to the headset. |
| 19:39.17 | jpt9 | i upgraded my 770 to 2007HE, and the version on maemo (http://maemo.org/downloads/product/links/) doesn't work. |
| 19:39.51 | milhouse | trevarthan - can't install the SBC deb, says... Package must have "Section:user/FOO" to be considered compatible. |
| 19:39.55 | nokipup | jpt9 use the os2006 version |
| 19:40.04 | jpt9 | i don't think it works. |
| 19:40.09 | milhouse | this is on N800 with 3.2007.10-1, SDHC kernel |
| 19:40.13 | jpt9 | i'll try it now, just in case. |
| 19:40.16 | *** part/#maemo hrhr (n=local@217.118.81.35) |
| 19:40.36 | jpt9 | i'm not running OS 2006. |
| 19:40.46 | nokipup | i know |
| 19:41.03 | nokipup | man, opera crashes on garage.maemo.org |
| 19:41.05 | trevarthan | milhouse: I'm running 3.2007.10-7, SDHC kernel. |
| 19:41.10 | milhouse | odd |
| 19:41.38 | trevarthan | yeah. Perhaps you can install it as root using dpkg -i? |
| 19:41.48 | milhouse | sorry typo on my part - my firmware is 3.2007.10-7 |
| 19:41.59 | milhouse | i'll give it a try |
| 19:42.24 | jpt9 | nokipup: it just says "Unable to install. Application package is incompatible with current software." |
| 19:42.43 | nokipup | jpt9 can you paste a link for OS2006 links debian package? i can not use opera here |
| 19:43.03 | nokipup | ill grab it with wget |
| 19:43.24 | milhouse | trevarthan - that worked... how strange. ok, on to Plugz... |
| 19:43.29 | jpt9 | it's a .install file, not a .deb. |
| 19:43.49 | MoRpHeUz | hmm...too late and no new firmware yet..=/ |
| 19:43.53 | nokipup | dont use the install file. download the deb and install with dpkg -i |
| 19:44.11 | trevarthan | milhouse: yeah, sorry about that. I have no idea why it did that. It worked for me. I'll look into it later when I roll release debs. |
| 19:44.43 | milhouse | sbc, plugz and mplayer now installed :) |
| 19:45.25 | trevarthan | alright. do you have python2.5? |
| 19:45.58 | milhouse | no, i'll get that now |
| 19:46.39 | trevarthan | OK. Good luck. I'm not sure where I got mine from. It either came bundled with something or I installed it from the maemo page. Can't remember. |
| 19:47.34 | milhouse | installing python2.5-runtime now... |
| 19:48.07 | trevarthan | Here's the ukmp code: http://www.guardiani.us/ukmp-dev-20070705.tar.gz |
| 19:48.52 | trevarthan | To use it, type in an xterm: `tar -xvzf ukmp-dev-20070705.tar.gz; cd ukmp.dist; ./ukmp-scanner.py; ./ukmp.py` |
| 19:49.38 | trevarthan | ukmp-scanner.py scans your ID3 tags, just like ukmp's normal scanner. It stores them in a sqlite3 database. Then ./ukmp.py is the actual mplayer frontend GUI. |
| 19:50.19 | nokipup | ukmp looks good |
| 19:50.20 | milhouse | i just tried the "hcitool scan" command as root and it says "Device is not available: No such device" - is the command correct? |
| 19:51.05 | trevarthan | should be. This is on an n800? |
| 19:51.15 | trevarthan | Is your bluetooth turned on? |
| 19:51.30 | jpt9 | the .deb installed perfectly fine. |
| 19:51.34 | jpt9 | using the app manager! |
| 19:51.47 | milhouse | yes, n800 |
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| 19:51.55 | jpt9 | (yes, i know it's linux-powred and all, but I prefer to use the app manager if possible) |
| 19:52.01 | milhouse | trevartan: no... ;) |
| 19:52.16 | milhouse | i'll switch it on now... thought it would come on automagically doh |
| 19:52.43 | trevarthan | I'll have to mention that on the wiki. |
| 19:53.58 | nokipup | nice jpt9 |
| 19:54.33 | nokipup | jpt9 you don |
| 19:54.48 | nokipup | jpt9: can you give me url please |
| 19:54.51 | jpt9 | yeah. |
| 19:54.53 | jpt9 | (sorry) |
| 19:55.23 | nokipup | i dont know why opera is being so nasty right now |
| 19:55.39 | nokipup | oh theres another console webbrowser that can do graphics ... forgot the name |
| 19:55.50 | jpt9 | http://tavifont.googlepages.com/links_1.00pre17-1_armel.deb |
| 19:55.54 | jpt9 | and once you get that... |
| 19:55.56 | jpt9 | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationCatalog2006 |
| 19:56.29 | jpt9 | i noticed that the guy who ported links mentioned that several of the apps were simply ones from the app catalog put in his own repository for easy access. |
| 19:56.39 | trevarthan | milhouse: BTW, there are a few tips and tricks to use once you get my version of ukmp working with A2DP. Let me know when/if you've got it working and I'll give you all my tuning advice. I need to write those down too.... |
| 19:58.34 | milhouse | trying to detect my headphones at the moment... not having much luck :( |
| 19:58.59 | nokipup | thanks jpt9 |
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| 19:59.17 | jpt9 | no problem. |
| 19:59.25 | jpt9 | anything else you need while i'm here? :-) |
| 19:59.32 | nokipup | heh no with links i am happy |
| 19:59.49 | gla55_ | southpark |
| 19:59.51 | gla55_ | uups |
| 19:59.53 | gla55_ | wrong channel |
| 20:00.20 | jpt9 | how hard is it to compile apps for a 770? |
| 20:00.25 | jpt9 | i have an iBook G4 with OS X 10.4.10. |
| 20:00.42 | nokipup | pretty darn easy |
| 20:00.47 | rev | hey, quick question- do you file N800/770 bugs at maemo's bugzilla? or is there something specific to the device? |
| 20:00.49 | trevarthan | milhouse: you've got the headset in pairing mode? |
| 20:00.55 | Lounis | hi I have a problem when using media converter to convert films for my N800, I try with a lot of different video but I have the same problem: the sound is horrible |
| 20:01.04 | Lounis | do you know this problem? |
| 20:01.12 | jpt9 | or rather, cross-compile them, in my case... |
| 20:01.24 | jpt9 | (unless it's possible to compile on the n770 itself, which is probably a bad idea :-) ) |
| 20:01.49 | nokipup | you can get a vmware image with scratchbox installed |
| 20:02.03 | nokipup | its LOTS of fun jpt9 |
| 20:02.05 | jpt9 | except my ibook, being an ibook, is powerpc. |
| 20:02.14 | jpt9 | are you being sarcastic? |
| 20:02.18 | nokipup | no |
| 20:02.21 | jpt9 | oh. |
| 20:02.21 | jpt9 | okay. |
| 20:02.30 | nokipup | http://pupnik.de my fun projects |
| 20:02.43 | jpt9 | i will be getting an awesome new thinkpad for college, which I'll probably dual boot windows and linux on. |
| 20:02.52 | milhouse | trevarthan - do i need to follow the instructions on your web page, downloading .a2dprc etc? |
| 20:03.03 | trevarthan | yes |
| 20:03.09 | milhouse | k |
| 20:03.34 | trevarthan | you should get it working with mplayer first, the way I describe it there. Then, once that is working the ukmp thing should work automatically. |
| 20:03.46 | jpt9 | any downloads of these apps? |
| 20:04.52 | rev | anyone? where to file N800 bugs? |
| 20:05.08 | rev | or, maybe someone knows of this already, thoguh i can't find it in bugzilla |
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| 20:05.39 | jpt9 | nokipup: are these apps downloadable somewhere? |
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| 20:05.56 | milhouse | trevarthan - i'm a bit confused about the "rswitch" change, where is lp? |
| 20:06.12 | rev | sometimes, but not always, when i lock the keys/screen with Power -> Dpad Center i can't bring it back out of keylock mode. the power button is recognized as being hit, but none of the buttons along the left of the screen are recognized, and none of them even bring up the box that says "Press [Power] and [] to unlock" |
| 20:06.21 | rev | this is only sometimes, usually it's fine. |
| 20:06.34 | nokipup | jpt9: there are download links for some. what interests you? |
| 20:06.50 | trevarthan | milhouse: edit /etc/bluetooth/hcid.conf. The "lp" setting is in there. It should make sense when you see the file. |
| 20:07.10 | jpt9 | dosbox, frodo, and POSE. |
| 20:07.12 | trevarthan | milhouse: you'll need to be root to edit that file, I think. |
| 20:07.17 | jpt9 | how stable are they? |
| 20:07.23 | milhouse | got it |
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| 20:07.59 | nokipup | they all work fine for me. pose is on garage.maemo.org. dosbox and frodo dont have a deb package yet .. just download and untar them |
| 20:08.19 | jpt9 | hmm... |
| 20:08.30 | jpt9 | what happens if I untar them onto a memory card? |
| 20:08.34 | jpt9 | can i run them off of it? |
| 20:08.42 | milhouse | trevarthan: i'm about to reboot, do i need to insert the mac address of my bluetooth headphones anywhere? |
| 20:09.28 | jpt9 | and how well does dosbox work? |
| 20:09.40 | nokipup | jpt9: the executeables need to be on root filesystem, other fileas can be on memory card |
| 20:09.43 | gla55_ | enough to play sopwith? |
| 20:09.46 | jpt9 | oh. |
| 20:09.47 | nokipup | dosbox is about as fast as an ibm xt |
| 20:09.59 | gla55_ | thats enough to play sopwith |
| 20:10.04 | jpt9 | where are the download links? |
| 20:10.08 | trevarthan | milhouse: yeah, you should have put it in ~/.a2dprc |
| 20:10.11 | nokipup | one moment |
| 20:10.15 | jpt9 | okay. |
| 20:10.15 | jpt9 | thanks. |
| 20:10.21 | guardian | was 3.2 announced on the dev mailing list ? |
| 20:10.34 | milhouse | ah right - do i need to pair the n800 with the headset as well? |
| 20:10.44 | trevarthan | milhouse: yes. |
| 20:10.56 | milhouse | k, done that... now to edit .a2dprc and reboot |
| 20:11.19 | trevarthan | milhouse: I really need to number these steps. I'm making clarifications to the wiki as I talk to you. |
| 20:11.51 | nokipup | http://pupnik.de/ http://tavifont.googlepages.com/links_1.00pre17-1_armel.deb |
| 20:12.01 | nokipup | sorry |
| 20:12.16 | nokipup | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:12.27 | nokipup | stupid cut and paste |
| 20:12.55 | rev | haha, sopwith |
| 20:13.00 | nokipup | pupnik.de/dosbox_maemo_065_001.tgz |
| 20:13.25 | milhouse | coming up... |
| 20:13.28 | nokipup | i spend a few days with dosbox 7 but it has many problems |
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| 20:17.04 | trevarthan | milhouse: refresh that web page. I've addressed all of your questions there, including the need to number the steps... |
| 20:17.18 | milhouse | trevarthan - can i use a2dp while also maintaining a wifi/ssh connection? |
| 20:17.37 | ericz | what's "Internet Connection Disabled" supposed to mean? :/ |
| 20:17.56 | trevarthan | milhouse: The answer is sometimes. If you experience skipping, try turning off your wifi radio. It causes problems sometimes. |
| 20:18.12 | milhouse | ok... |
| 20:18.25 | jpt9 | nokipup: it wants libSDL_net-1.2.so.0 |
| 20:18.40 | nokipup | oops let me find that |
| 20:19.05 | trevarthan | milhouse: I have a Motorola s9 headset, and it can be quirky. It skips a lot when paired with my n800 and my motorola phone, for example. So I have to make sure it's only paired with one device at a time. |
| 20:19.43 | nokipup | http://pupnik.de/libsdl-net1.2-dev_1.2.5-7_armel.deb |
| 20:20.23 | trevarthan | Also, a2dpd + mplayer uses more CPU than the normal way, so make sure you aren't running the meta-layer scanner, or canola-conf, or any other process that hogs 100% CPU while you're trying to listen to music. That'll cause skipping too. |
| 20:21.07 | k-s[WORK] | trevarthan: canola-conf sleeps while it's not scanning new media |
| 20:21.25 | k-s[WORK] | trevarthan: and it just scan for new media if you open/close the mmc lid |
| 20:21.50 | milhouse | trevarthan: mplayer says "File not found 'alsa:device=a2dpd2'" |
| 20:21.56 | milhouse | ah |
| 20:22.00 | milhouse | my bad, missed -a0 |
| 20:22.02 | milhouse | -ao |
| 20:22.37 | trevarthan | k-s[WORK]: it also scans at startup. He just rebooted, so I thought the warning appropriate. |
| 20:23.05 | jpt9 | nokipup: it isn't there. |
| 20:24.33 | nokipup | ok jpt9 i have to go down to the server - need about 10 minutes |
| 20:24.39 | jpt9 | okay. |
| 20:25.13 | trevarthan | milhouse: got it working yet? |
| 20:25.22 | milhouse | no, having a few problems |
| 20:25.28 | milhouse | mplayer doesn't seem to want to play it |
| 20:25.32 | milhouse | just rebooting |
| 20:25.45 | milhouse | it being an mp3 file |
| 20:25.50 | trevarthan | rebooting? |
| 20:25.56 | trevarthan | the device, or mplayer? |
| 20:26.15 | milhouse | yeah, i had ther a2dpd daemon running in a ssh window over wifi and it seemed to get zombied |
| 20:26.20 | rhys | what repo is canola on? |
| 20:26.22 | milhouse | when i knocked the wifi connection on the head |
| 20:26.42 | k-s[WORK] | rhys: our own, see http://openbossa.indt.org/canola/ |
| 20:26.57 | trevarthan | you can't kill a2dpd? |
| 20:27.06 | rhys | whats a2dpd? |
| 20:27.29 | thoughtfix | I put Skype on my N800! Take a look at the top image on tabletblog.com! |
| 20:27.37 | trevarthan | rhys: it's a daemon that transcodes PCM audio into SBC audio on the fly and sends it to a stereo bluetooth headset. |
| 20:28.20 | MoRpHeUz | thoughtfix: the firmware was finally released ? |
| 20:28.20 | trevarthan | milhouse: zombie a2dpd is a common problem for me. Usually it happens after a couple of start/stop cycles though. |
| 20:28.24 | rhys | ah |
| 20:28.48 | thoughtfix | MoRpHeUz: I photoshopped the Skype logo into my N800's face, hence ducking to prevent being pelted by vegetables |
| 20:28.59 | MoRpHeUz | thoughtfix: just saw that hehe |
| 20:29.01 | MoRpHeUz | =P |
| 20:29.24 | MoRpHeUz | thoughtfix: have I ever told that I hate you ? (for just 5s but I hated you hahahaha) |
| 20:29.33 | milhouse | trevarthan - a2dp seems to be looping with the message "avrcp_handle_message: AVRCP Receive failed" |
| 20:31.03 | trevarthan | milhouse: check and make sure that your ~/.a2dprc is ok. You should have a line that looks like: address=00:0D:FD:15:52:1D |
| 20:32.11 | trevarthan | also, make sure the headset and the n800 are paired properly. You should see the heaset when you click on the bluetooth icon in the taskbar. |
| 20:32.34 | trevarthan | Something like "Disconnect Motorola s9" |
| 20:32.39 | thoughtfix | Morpheuz: It's not the first time I did a hoax: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1nS9kOtA7A |
| 20:32.50 | thoughtfix | I even put "hoax" in the video's tags and people still took it seriously. |
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| 20:34.49 | trevarthan | milhouse: If you're expecting a2dpd to stop or go into the background, it won't. You have to leave it running or run it like `a2dpd &` to force it into the background. |
| 20:36.07 | trevarthan | sorry if that sounded condescending. I'm not sure what your level of proficiency is with linux... |
| 20:37.07 | milhouse | trevarthan - sorry for the delay, using the virtual keyboard in xterm is very tedious :) |
| 20:37.36 | trevarthan | indeed. that's why I wrote my version of ukmp. it's a pain in the rear. |
| 20:37.39 | milhouse | yeah i put a2dpd in the backgroun, i'd forgotten to uncomment the bt address (had done it, then stuffed up the edit and quit and forget to uncomment it) |
| 20:37.54 | milhouse | so now it's uncommented, and a2dpd appears to behaving a bit better |
| 20:38.01 | milhouse | but |
| 20:38.21 | milhouse | mplayer bombs |
| 20:38.30 | trevarthan | what does it say? |
| 20:38.42 | milhouse | hang on, transcribing... :) |
| 20:39.04 | MoRpHeUz | thoughtfix: hahaha =) |
| 20:39.30 | nate12o6 | is taking out the battery the only way to do a hard reset? |
| 20:40.20 | pupnik | jpt9: try.. http://ln-s.net/O2M though i don't remember why it's libsdlnet-dev |
| 20:40.49 | milhouse | here it comes... |
| 20:40.52 | milhouse | alsa-lib: conf.c:1592:(snd_config_load1) _toplevel_:6:0:Unexpected end of file |
| 20:40.52 | milhouse | alsa-lib: conf.c:2837:(snd_config_hook_load) /home/user/.asoundrc may be old or corrupted: consider to remove or fix it |
| 20:40.52 | milhouse | alsa-lib: conf.c:2700:(snd_config_hooks_call) function snd_config_hook_load returned error: Invalid argument |
| 20:40.52 | milhouse | alsa-lib: conf.c:3066:(snd_config_update_r) hooks failed, removing configuration |
| 20:40.52 | milhouse | alsa-init: cannot read ALSA configuration: Invalid argument |
| 20:40.54 | milhouse | Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound. |
| 20:41.16 | milhouse | oh... now i should double check .asoundrc... doh |
| 20:41.30 | milhouse | .asoundrc looks ok |
| 20:41.55 | trevarthan | :) what does it look like? I think I know already, but go ahead and paste it. |
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| 20:42.40 | jpt9 | it says "Unable to install. Incompatible application package." |
| 20:42.45 | jpt9 | (i'm running 2007HE) |
| 20:43.11 | milhouse | don't laugh |
| 20:43.12 | milhouse | cat > ~/.asoundrc <<EOTXT |
| 20:43.13 | milhouse | pcm.a2dpd2 { |
| 20:43.13 | milhouse | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:43.13 | milhouse | } |
| 20:43.13 | milhouse | EOTXT |
| 20:43.17 | trevarthan | :) |
| 20:43.18 | milhouse | I should have run that, right? |
| 20:43.43 | trevarthan | no, that should have been pasted directly into the xterm. It's called a HEREDOC, and it makes a file that looks like this: |
| 20:43.45 | milhouse | so .asoundrc just needs to be |
| 20:43.46 | trevarthan | pcm.a2dpd2 { |
| 20:43.49 | trevarthan | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:43.51 | trevarthan | } |
| 20:44.09 | pupnik | jpt9: yeah there are a few packages i install with dpkg -i because of that |
| 20:44.14 | milhouse | yes, so do i have it correct or do i need the one above? |
| 20:44.23 | milhouse | ie. just the pcm part? |
| 20:45.00 | thoughtfix | milhouse: You saw my Jabra BT8010 review? |
| 20:45.04 | trevarthan | You need the 3 line version instead of the 5 line version. The 5 line version creates the 3 line version automatically if you paste it into the shell window, but if you're editing the file by hand then you need to paste the 3 line version. |
| 20:45.13 | milhouse | thoughtfix - not yet |
| 20:45.25 | thoughtfix | It's about 3/4 down the page on ultramobilegeek.com |
| 20:45.25 | milhouse | trevarthan - let me cut it down to size |
| 20:45.31 | milhouse | before my battery runs out :) |
| 20:45.36 | trevarthan | Sorry. :) I'm entirely too clever for my own good. I shouldn't have tried to make it that easy. |
| 20:45.50 | thoughtfix | It'd be sweeeeet with the N800, especially if the N800 eventually can switch between stereo headset and handsfree profiles. |
| 20:46.24 | milhouse | i'll take a look but i already had a bt headset thingy - SE DS970 |
| 20:46.46 | trevarthan | thoughtfix: have you been following our a2dp discussion? I think I could adapt my technique to support SCO audio (mono bt headsets) |
| 20:47.09 | milhouse | here goes... |
| 20:47.15 | thoughtfix | trevarthan: I've been writing about mostly consumer experience more than hacks lately - it gets more new users and readers |
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| 20:47.24 | milhouse | yay! |
| 20:47.26 | thoughtfix | trevarthan: I will get back into hacks after the new firmware and a couple editorials. |
| 20:47.29 | milhouse | how cool is that?? |
| 20:47.38 | milhouse | that is very cool!!! |
| 20:47.44 | milhouse | trevarthan++ |
| 20:47.46 | milhouse | trevarthan++ |
| 20:47.46 | k-s[WORK] | deb http://www.gustavobarbieri.com.br/e17-n800 bora free |
| 20:47.49 | trevarthan | :) glad it worked. Any skipping? |
| 20:47.50 | cbrake | does IT 2006 == Maemo 2.2? |
| 20:47.51 | k-s[WORK] | now I provide that demo |
| 20:47.53 | milhouse | bit toppy but very good! |
| 20:47.56 | milhouse | not so far |
| 20:48.07 | k-s[WORK] | apt-get install python-efl-core-demo |
| 20:48.08 | k-s[WORK] | :-) |
| 20:48.13 | milhouse | and i've got wifi, ssh and top running on a PC |
| 20:48.54 | milhouse | a2dpd is consiming about... hmmm... 30% - 5% in what looks like 5 or 6 processes |
| 20:49.00 | milhouse | and mplayer about 20% |
| 20:49.03 | trevarthan | milhouse: ok. now to tune it. Best thing you can do is bump up the bandwidth for better audio quality. edit ~/.a2dprc and change this line: sbcbitpool=53 |
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| 20:49.25 | milhouse | oh dear that was hurting my ears |
| 20:49.30 | milhouse | ok, trying that change now |
| 20:49.55 | trevarthan | milhouse: I think it defaults to 32, which is really tinny audio. set it to 53, stop mplayer, restart a2dpd, then start mplayer again. You won't regret it. |
| 20:50.46 | milhouse | that's not quite so harsh, but still lacking depth |
| 20:51.10 | milhouse | oh hang on, missed your last instruction - didn't restart a2dpd |
| 20:51.34 | pupnik | jpt9 http://rapidshare.com/files/41234729/libsdl-net1.2_1.2.5-7_armel.deb.html |
| 20:51.38 | pupnik | oh geez |
| 20:52.25 | milhouse | that's got a bit more depth to it, but still quite tinny |
| 20:52.29 | milhouse | definate improvement |
| 20:53.01 | milhouse | i had found a2dpd looping like crazy again which explains the 5 processes i saw earlier |
| 20:53.14 | trevarthan | What do you use those headphones with normally? Is the sound quality comparable? |
| 20:53.23 | milhouse | W950i - Walkman phone |
| 20:53.45 | trevarthan | I bought my s9 headset specifically for my n800, so I've got no reference. It's not as good as wired headphones, but it's good enough. |
| 20:54.36 | milhouse | it's good, don't get me wrong... it's probably a personal preference |
| 20:54.41 | trevarthan | milhouse: oh, that's a sweet phone. |
| 20:55.00 | trevarthan | so it's better quality with the w950i? |
| 20:55.25 | milhouse | i actually could get used to this - had the 'phones not quite jammed all the way into my ears and now i've pushed them all the way in the sound has improved |
| 20:55.41 | milhouse | the sound is pretty damned good fella!! |
| 20:55.49 | trevarthan | :) |
| 20:55.51 | milhouse | right, where's this gui? |
| 20:56.04 | trevarthan | you got python 2.5 installed? |
| 20:56.18 | milhouse | certainly the N800 has plenty of horsepower for this kind of thing |
| 20:56.24 | milhouse | at least music, not sure about video as well |
| 20:56.44 | trevarthan | http://www.guardiani.us/ukmp-dev-20070705.tar.gz |
| 20:57.24 | milhouse | got that installed, running it now... |
| 20:57.25 | pupnik | the 770 headphone jack is a bit noisy for my tastes |
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| 20:57.56 | trevarthan | ukmp-scanner.py takes a while. But you don't have to run it every time. Just when your music collection changes. |
| 20:58.03 | milhouse | hey yeah, that all works |
| 20:58.32 | trevarthan | Tap the bluetooth icon to switch on a2dp mode, then just select a song and off you go. |
| 20:58.45 | milhouse | never used the interface before so took me a few secs to work it out but i clicked a few random buttons and now i've got more music streaming over bt - nice |
| 20:59.12 | milhouse | how long till a deb? :) |
| 20:59.28 | milhouse | i'd definately use my n800 in preference to the w950 if i had this |
| 20:59.32 | trevarthan | Yeah, big work in progress. I've put two hard weeks of dev into it. I'll probably put two more in before it's done, but I hope to release a deb end of this week or mid next. |
| 21:00.03 | milhouse | forward/backward on my headset seems to confuse it - it's just stopped playing |
| 21:00.14 | trevarthan | Big fat warning: Your n800 will probably lock up from time to time when using a2dp. I'm not sure why yet. Has something to do with a2dpd. |
| 21:00.34 | trevarthan | milhouse: you have to do an extra step to get forward/back and pause working on the headset: |
| 21:00.50 | trevarthan | edit ~/.a2dprc and change these lines to something like this: |
| 21:00.58 | trevarthan | # |
| 21:00.58 | trevarthan | # AVRCP Commands to run |
| 21:00.58 | trevarthan | # If these entries are emptied, then some keyboard entry will be sent to /dev/uinput |
| 21:01.01 | trevarthan | # |
| 21:01.04 | trevarthan | cmdplay=/home/user/ukmp/ukmp.py -remote pause |
| 21:01.06 | trevarthan | cmdpause=/home/user/ukmp/ukmp.py -remote pause |
| 21:01.09 | trevarthan | cmdprev=/home/user/ukmp/ukmp.py -remote prev |
| 21:01.11 | trevarthan | cmdnext=/home/user/ukmp/ukmp.py -remote next |
| 21:01.14 | trevarthan | cmdnew=/home/user/ukmp/ukmp.py -remote pause |
| 21:01.16 | trevarthan | cmdstop=/home/user/ukmp/ukmp.py -remote stop |
| 21:01.24 | trevarthan | replace the /home/user/ukmp part with wherever you extracted the tar.gz to. |
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| 21:02.27 | trevarthan | After that, restart ukmp and it should work, but it takes up to 10 seconds for the key press to take effect. I have no idea why currently. I'll look into it when I have time. Just press it an be patient. |
| 21:04.04 | trevarthan | I'm also going to be modifying the spiny selector widget thingy to be more iphone like (tap to stop spinning, then tap again to select anything on the screen). I'll be doing that sometime this weekend. The black horizontal selector bars will go away. |
| 21:08.01 | milhouse | yeah that worked - took almost a minute though! :) |
| 21:08.18 | milhouse | maybe I won't be giving up my W950i just yet ;) |
| 21:10.51 | trevarthan | You can always use the directional pad on the n800 to change songs. left and right. It's a bit faster. |
| 21:11.01 | milhouse | one things for sure the N800 has a _much_ strong bluetooth transmitter than the W950i - the N800 keeps on going over double the distance of the W950i |
| 21:11.07 | milhouse | s/strong/stronger/ |
| 21:12.29 | trevarthan | I actually get really annoyed with a2dp sometimes. I take a short run in the evenings, and it'll get choppy around certain buildings. oddest thing. It works great in my office though. |
| 21:12.36 | milhouse | A2DP is working here http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages#Bluetooth_ALSA and is good. :) |
| 21:12.38 | milhouse | A2DP? |
| 21:12.39 | _Monkey | somebody said A2DP was what |
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| 21:12.45 | milhouse | hmmm |
| 21:13.08 | milhouse | _monkey forget A2DP |
| 21:13.08 | _Monkey | milhouse: I forgot a2dp |
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| 21:13.25 | milhouse | A2DP is working here http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages#Bluetooth_ALSA \and is good. :) |
| 21:13.30 | milhouse | A2DP? |
| 21:13.30 | _Monkey | it has been said that A2DP is working here http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages#Bluetooth_ALSA and is good. :) |
| 21:13.49 | trevarthan | that's cool. :) |
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| 21:14.06 | milhouse | should help out when nobody is around to answer :) |
| 21:15.21 | trevarthan | Hey, I don't have a video camera. I'd love to get a video of ukmp with a2dp out there so people who are install shy know what to expect. If anyone wants to make a video for me, that would be excellent. :) |
| 21:16.18 | milhouse | unfortunately i don't have a video.. and no camera on the w950i (good and bad in equal measures) |
| 21:16.31 | milhouse | what about screenshots? |
| 21:16.46 | milhouse | oh, or you mean a youtube kind of thing? |
| 21:18.32 | trevarthan | Like this: http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2007/06/ukmp-12.html (konttori is the original ukmp developer) |
| 21:18.35 | trevarthan | anyway, I gotta get back to work. Thanks for testing it out milhouse. If you have any questions, just send me a private message here on IRC. I'm always on during 9AM-5PM EDT. |
| 21:19.12 | trevarthan | milhouse: I can take a screenshot. I'm just not at that point yet. I'll do that when I release a .deb. |
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| 21:19.34 | konttori | Older but better screenshot: http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2007/06/ukmp-11.html |
| 21:19.38 | milhouse | the gui seems pretty easy to work out... i managed it so it can't be that hard. |
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| 21:20.18 | milhouse | many thanks trvarthan - it's looking really good, cheers |
| 21:20.31 | milhouse | s/trvarthan/trevarthan/ |
| 21:20.37 | trevarthan | See ya later. :) |
| 21:20.39 | milhouse | cya |
| 21:20.46 | konttori | trevarthan: would be cool if you coulb put screenshots |
| 21:20.51 | konttori | of your version that is |
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| 21:21.24 | trevarthan | konttori: I will. I promise. Hopefully I'll get around to that this weekend. We'll see though. Got family and stuff coming in from out of town. |
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| 21:21.44 | konttori | great. have a good weekend! no. have a great weekend! |
| 21:22.07 | trevarthan | you too! (even though it's Thursday..) :) |
| 21:22.24 | konttori | Oh yeah. I'll be starting weekend tomorrow |
| 21:22.35 | trevarthan | lucky lucky. |
| 21:22.50 | unique311 | hell |
| 21:22.56 | unique311 | s/hell/hello |
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| 21:23.14 | unique311 | how the feck does that bot work milhouse |
| 21:23.16 | milhouse | infobot insists on that trailing slash |
| 21:23.17 | unique311 | lol |
| 21:23.36 | unique311 | s/hell/hello/ |
| 21:24.10 | milhouse | and it only applies to your last post :) |
| 21:24.15 | unique311 | ok |
| 21:24.19 | unique311 | do |
| 21:24.19 | unique311 | so |
| 21:24.28 | unique311 | hell milhouse |
| 21:24.36 | unique311 | s/hell/hello |
| 21:24.40 | milhouse | lol |
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| 21:24.43 | unique311 | forgot the / |
| 21:24.45 | unique311 | lol |
| 21:24.53 | unique311 | hell milhouse |
| 21:24.58 | unique311 | s/hell/hello/ |
| 21:25.04 | unique311 | nice |
| 21:25.04 | milhouse | yay |
| 21:25.08 | unique311 | i like |
| 21:25.12 | milhouse | now teach _monkey some tricks |
| 21:25.25 | milhouse | itt? |
| 21:25.25 | _Monkey | itt is http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums |
| 21:25.45 | milhouse | reflashing |
| 21:25.45 | _Monkey | Reflashing will reset your devices memory to factory default and wipe your home directory - use backup so that you can restore your data to the new firmware |
| 21:25.55 | unique311 | MIT? |
| 21:26.09 | milhouse | firmare |
| 21:26.15 | milhouse | firmware? |
| 21:26.16 | _Monkey | firmware is 770 (http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_770.php) or N800 (http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php) or Flasher binaries (http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php) |
| 21:26.16 | unique311 | monkey doesn't acknowledge moi |
| 21:26.18 | trevarthan | badmonkey is a _Monkey that gets no biscuit! |
| 21:26.21 | trevarthan | badmonkey? |
| 21:26.22 | _Monkey | badmonkey is a _Monkey that gets no biscuit! |
| 21:26.26 | milhouse | he doesn't know what MIT is |
| 21:26.38 | milhouse | alcohol |
| 21:26.40 | milhouse | alcohol? |
| 21:26.41 | trevarthan | that's fun. |
| 21:26.51 | milhouse | i thought it was evil... hmmm |
| 21:26.59 | milhouse | guess it's not |
| 21:29.31 | pupnik | garage? |
| 21:29.44 | pupnik | what topics does it know? |
| 21:29.50 | milhouse | whatever you teach it |
| 21:29.54 | milhouse | infobot guide? |
| 21:29.54 | infobot | i guess guide is at http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~infobot/infobot_guide.html |
| 21:29.54 | _Monkey | infobot guide is probably http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~infobot/infobot_guide.html |
| 21:29.55 | infobot | ...but guide is already something else... |
| 21:30.33 | milhouse | anything less than 8 characters will need a question mark to get monkey to respond |
| 21:30.45 | milhouse | ie. badmonkey will elicit a response, while garage won't |
| 21:30.49 | milhouse | badmonkey |
| 21:30.49 | _Monkey | badmonkey is a _Monkey that gets no biscuit! |
| 21:30.59 | pupnik | got it |
| 21:31.44 | milhouse | garage is https://garage.maemo.org |
| 21:31.53 | milhouse | garage also is somewhere you park you car |
| 21:31.57 | milhouse | garage? |
| 21:31.57 | _Monkey | garage is https://garage.maemo.org |
| 21:32.07 | jumpula | garage is. |
| 21:32.27 | milhouse | garage is also somewhere you park your car. |
| 21:32.28 | _Monkey | okay, milhouse. |
| 21:32.30 | milhouse | garage? |
| 21:32.31 | _Monkey | somebody said garage was https://garage.maemo.org or somewhere you park my car. |
| 21:32.38 | Pio | hah |
| 21:32.39 | Pio | my car |
| 21:32.43 | milhouse | bugger! |
| 21:32.46 | pupnik | libsdl-net is http://rapidshare.com/files/41234729/libsdl-net1.2_1.2.5-7_armel.deb.html |
| 21:32.50 | milhouse | need to remember to escape some thing |
| 21:32.57 | milhouse | forget garage |
| 21:32.57 | _Monkey | milhouse: I forgot garage |
| 21:33.00 | jumpula | dude, where's my car |
| 21:33.03 | milhouse | garage is https://garage.maemo.org |
| 21:33.23 | milhouse | garage is also some where \you may park your car. |
| 21:33.24 | _Monkey | okay, milhouse. |
| 21:33.27 | milhouse | garage? |
| 21:33.27 | _Monkey | i think garage is https://garage.maemo.org or some where you may park my car. |
| 21:33.33 | milhouse | argh |
| 21:33.39 | milhouse | forget garage |
| 21:33.40 | _Monkey | milhouse: I forgot garage |
| 21:33.41 | milhouse | garage is https://garage.maemo.org |
| 21:33.45 | milhouse | garage is also some where \you may park \your car. |
| 21:33.46 | _Monkey | okay, milhouse. |
| 21:33.47 | milhouse | garage? |
| 21:33.48 | _Monkey | garage is https://garage.maemo.org or some where you may park your car. |
| 21:33.50 | milhouse | done |
| 21:34.50 | milhouse | angry is what happens to _Monkey when $who drinks all the milk and eats the biscuits |
| 21:34.53 | milhouse | angry? |
| 21:34.54 | _Monkey | angry is probably what happens to _Monkey when milhouse drinks all the milk and eats the biscuits |
| 21:34.56 | pupnik | thoughtfix is the most popular tablet blogger http://tabletblog.com/ |
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| 21:36.27 | thoughtfix | Heh. Thanks :D |
| 21:36.47 | pupnik | thoughtfix |
| 21:36.48 | _Monkey | it has been said that thoughtfix is reloading the firmware repository every 4 hours or so. |
| 21:36.53 | pupnik | hahahaha |
| 21:36.56 | thoughtfix | I am |
| 21:37.01 | milhouse | Ari is some bloke who works at Nokia, http://jaaksi.blogspot.com |
| 21:37.08 | thoughtfix | Ari is more than that |
| 21:37.12 | milhouse | joke :) |
| 21:37.13 | thoughtfix | He's the Director of Open Source Operations |
| 21:37.16 | thoughtfix | hahaha |
| 21:37.26 | pupnik | Ari? |
| 21:37.26 | _Monkey | i heard Ari was some bloke who works at Nokia, http://jaaksi.blogspot.com |
| 21:37.35 | milhouse | see? |
| 21:37.44 | milhouse | I think it works :) |
| 21:38.11 | milhouse | you can add "is also" and it should append it |
| 21:38.18 | thoughtfix | Ari and Sari are pretty cool. Had some drinks with them at the press reception at CES |
| 21:38.31 | konttori | Who's Sari? |
| 21:38.33 | milhouse | you name dropper, you |
| 21:38.36 | thoughtfix | Hehehe |
| 21:39.04 | konttori | Do you remember her title? |
| 21:39.29 | konttori | hey thoughtfix: did you have a test run of the uktube 0.6? |
| 21:39.39 | thoughtfix | I have her card at home... um |
| 21:39.44 | thoughtfix | konttori: Not yet |
| 21:39.51 | milhouse | ari and sari? |
| 21:39.51 | thoughtfix | konttori: Later tonight perhaps |
| 21:39.51 | _Monkey | ari and sari are pretty cool. Had some drinks with them at the press reception at CES |
| 21:39.56 | konttori | streaming youtube... streaming youtube.... worth the test! |
| 21:40.07 | milhouse | oooh, you need to be careful what you tell _Monkey! |
| 21:40.14 | thoughtfix | Oh ... Her title is "Communications Manager" |
| 21:40.20 | konttori | ahh... cool. |
| 21:44.56 | milhouse | i'm still dead chuffed that i'm listening to my n800 on BT headphones :) |
| 21:45.15 | milhouse | i would post in ITT but don't want everyone to be on trevarthans case wanting a finished product :) |
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| 21:46.35 | thoughtfix | Make a .deb out of it and I'll be happy :D |
| 21:46.53 | milhouse | if only i knew how :( |
| 21:47.12 | pupnik | my ghouliani mashup: Giuliani as Dr. Evil from Austin Powers :) http://ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=5650 |
| 21:47.27 | milhouse | to be honest it's not that hard to get working from the instructions on trevarthans site - I rushed a bit and didn't read all of it (same old same old) |
| 21:47.57 | rwhitby | konttori: got a direct .deb link for the latest uktube (so I can download it direct from x-chat on n800) ? |
| 21:48.07 | milhouse | ukmp? |
| 21:48.08 | _Monkey | well, ukmp is a Media Player, available for download at http://maemo.org/downloads/product/ukmp |
| 21:48.26 | rwhitby | ah, it's just part of ukmp now? |
| 21:48.37 | milhouse | i think so - i was looking at it today and wasn't entirely sure |
| 21:48.52 | milhouse | i could only find a link for ukmp in a blog entry discussing both |
| 21:49.02 | konttori | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1693/UKMP-1.4-uktube0.6beta2.deb |
| 21:49.07 | rwhitby | thx |
| 21:49.28 | rhys | :( |
| 21:49.31 | rhys | my taring died |
| 21:50.35 | solmumaha | isn't it possible that next firmware has support for bluetooth headsets? |
| 21:50.42 | konttori | yeah, uktube and ukmp go hand in hand at the moment. They are together until I get mplayer to output -vo jpeg. |
| 21:51.05 | konttori | I think it's pretty likely that next firmware will have bt headset support |
| 21:51.07 | konttori | at least mone |
| 21:51.09 | konttori | mono |
| 21:51.17 | konttori | night! |
| 21:51.28 | konttori | rwithby: do you have mplayer and python installed? |
| 21:51.40 | milhouse | solmumaha: always a possibility, but doesn't seem likely. if it does appear, then i imagine developers would be quite p!ssed off - the lack of any real information about future updates can and does lead to duplicated nokia and community development |
| 21:51.45 | konttori | rwitby: sorry for misspelling your name |
| 21:51.54 | rwhitby | konttori: deleting two files in a row does not bring the next one into the selection box |
| 21:52.20 | konttori | hmm... at least deleting one will bring the next. Hmm.. odd. |
| 21:52.36 | konttori | I'll have a test tomorrow, but last time I checked, it worked. |
| 21:52.40 | rwhitby | yep, one works fine. |
| 21:52.50 | konttori | ahh... I never tested it with two. |
| 21:52.57 | solmumaha | well they do have some issues with communication it seems |
| 21:53.05 | rwhitby | oops, now it shows none in the selection drop-down |
| 21:53.06 | konttori | Odd.. I would assume same logic. |
| 21:53.19 | konttori | rwitby: a BUG!!! |
| 21:53.27 | konttori | I'll fix it tomorrow. |
| 21:53.43 | rwhitby | konttori: all software has bugs - it's just a matter of finding them :-) |
| 21:53.55 | konttori | so no two-in-a-row deletions until it's fixed ;) |
| 21:54.04 | konttori | yeah. |
| 21:54.06 | milhouse | i find it quite poor that in a supposedly open source project nobody outside Nokia has any real understanding of what will be in the next firmware (just days away) apart from Skye, which may actually be nothing to do with the firmware at all. |
| 21:54.17 | milhouse | s/Skye/Skype/ |
| 21:54.54 | rwhitby | konttori: can uktube be used to play other media files (and just pass them straight to mplayer)? |
| 21:54.55 | rhys | a few days away? |
| 21:55.05 | solmumaha | and judging from itt, not even ppl inside know |
| 21:55.06 | rwhitby | doh! |
| 21:55.18 | milhouse | rhys: maybe, possibly... nobody knows for sure (another "communication" issue!!) |
| 21:55.43 | rhys | does that mean me working on moving my whole FS onto the internal card is useless? |
| 21:56.02 | solmumaha | and giving false dates is a lot more annoying than complete silence imo :) |
| 21:56.24 | milhouse | i'm pretty sure there will be a new firmware in July... Fridays are a favourite day for releases |
| 21:57.05 | milhouse | solmumaha - i said as much in the mailing list, it's like a train that's delayed |
| 21:57.52 | milhouse | you can have everyone standing around on the platform getting steadily frustrated, or a quick announcement informing everyone it's running 5 minutes late and suddenly everyone is cool again. |
| 21:58.33 | milhouse | to be fair to nokia though, they never actually announced a date for the firmware in the first place |
| 21:58.48 | rhys | im just thinking.. my taring died |
| 21:58.56 | solmumaha | yes, but some of their "employees" have |
| 21:59.01 | milhouse | they stated Skype would appear "during H1" which most people took to mean new firmware by the end of H1 at the latest |
| 21:59.12 | rhys | my ext2 fs im putting it on is ~500mb |
| 21:59.12 | rhys | is that enough for the entire uncompressed fs? |
| 21:59.19 | milhouse | i've not seen firm dates from anyone, only speculation |
| 21:59.30 | milhouse | rhys: yes, plenty |
| 22:00.42 | unique311 | i have 2 grandcentral invites to give out....anybody? |
| 22:01.03 | milhouse | only if you include a flight from London to NYC as well :) |
| 22:01.07 | solmumaha | well one did say thursday without a doubt |
| 22:01.16 | unique311 | NYC to london for me.. |
| 22:01.29 | unique311 | tired of NYC |
| 22:01.57 | pupnik | did you see the new NORML posters around NYC unique311 ? |
| 22:02.35 | unique311 | heading to manhattan on saturday...i'll let you know. |
| 22:03.06 | pupnik | they have a picture of Bloomberg saying something like "I tried it ... and enjoyed it!" |
| 22:03.10 | solmumaha | so, someone mentioned a transcoding upnp server for linux or was i mistaken? |
| 22:03.24 | rhys | kk ythen. it mustve just died |
| 22:03.27 | pupnik | maybe mythtv can do it |
| 22:03.36 | rhys | milhouse, whats grandcentral? |
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| 22:04.31 | unique311 | pupnik that stuff is not good for your braincells......................... |
| 22:05.12 | thoughtfix | Damn day job distracting me from IRC |
| 22:05.15 | milhouse | grandcemtral is a US phone company recently acquired by Google |
| 22:05.37 | unique311 | yes |
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| 22:05.53 | rhys | how do you send ctrl+c to osso-xterm? |
| 22:05.54 | unique311 | not sure but i guess if you have a google account..you can sign up |
| 22:05.58 | milhouse | sorry - not a phone company, a "communications" company |
| 22:06.30 | unique311 | one feature i like...i can set it to ring to my house phone...and answer if i like or let it go to the voicemail... |
| 22:06.31 | rhys | ph |
| 22:06.46 | unique311 | they provide you with a voicemail number... |
| 22:06.46 | rhys | found it |
| 22:06.47 | milhouse | rhys - pull up the application menu and i think it's on tools |
| 22:06.52 | milhouse | k |
| 22:06.55 | rhys | milhouse, that does what? i have a google account |
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| 22:07.21 | milhouse | i dunno, i guess it's a first step before The Google Phone(tm) |
| 22:07.30 | unique311 | maybe |
| 22:07.47 | rhys | heard of google 411? |
| 22:07.48 | unique311 | but it looks like its invite right now.. |
| 22:07.58 | thoughtfix | Hmm |
| 22:08.00 | thoughtfix | Google Phone |
| 22:08.03 | rhys | milhouse, you can send me one |
| 22:08.10 | milhouse | i don't have them :) |
| 22:08.12 | thoughtfix | Hope it's quadband, carrier unlocked, and dual 3G radios |
| 22:08.23 | rhys | rhys.rhaven (at) gmail :) |
| 22:08.23 | milhouse | uniqueu311 has the invites :) |
| 22:08.23 | thoughtfix | Otherwise, it's Evil |
| 22:08.38 | milhouse | thoughtfix: plus wifi and gps! |
| 22:08.39 | jpt9 | nokipup: hey. it's me again. |
| 22:08.50 | jpt9 | nokipup: sdl wants superuser privileges to install. |
| 22:08.58 | thoughtfix | Hahahaha |
| 22:09.11 | milhouse | heck, call it a Nokia N95! |
| 22:09.13 | unique311 | rhys check and see if google is offering sign ups.... |
| 22:09.22 | thoughtfix | Yes. The google phone needs to be at least 2 pounds to pack in enough features and compatibility to keep the "Don't Be Evil" |
| 22:09.23 | rhys | im looking |
| 22:09.31 | unique311 | if not. send me your email address and i'll send you an invite |
| 22:09.51 | jpt9 | first of all, is there a way to just install the one file dosbox needs separately? if there isn't, what would be the best way of installing the entire sdl package? |
| 22:10.13 | pupnik | libsdl-net? |
| 22:10.13 | _Monkey | i guess libsdl-net is http://rapidshare.com/files/41234729/libsdl-net1.2_1.2.5-7_armel.deb.html |
| 22:10.19 | jpt9 | yeah. |
| 22:10.34 | milhouse | so this grandcentral outfit seem to be voip based? |
| 22:10.46 | rhys | google scares me.. |
| 22:11.22 | unique311 | not yet.. |
| 22:11.35 | milhouse | ah no, it seems to be about agregating voicemail boxes |
| 22:11.36 | unique311 | it just offers you a number for voicemail.. |
| 22:11.49 | unique311 | you cannot make calls or get call |
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| 22:12.14 | unique311 | well actually you can get calls. |
| 22:12.15 | milhouse | right, and aggregating them if you have many voicemail boxes (eg. cell/mobile phone, work phone, blackberry) |
| 22:12.21 | unique311 | not sure how it works. |
| 22:12.48 | rhys | i wish gmail would provide imap |
| 22:12.53 | milhouse | i just read their company history and their founders seminal moment when getting off a plane... http://www.grandcentral.com/about/history/ |
| 22:13.19 | unique311 | but you provided them with your work, house, or cell number, and when someone calls the voicemail number it forwards to the house, work or cell phone # |
| 22:13.24 | jpt9 | pupnik: any ideas? |
| 22:13.44 | pupnik | jpt9: download that and install with dpkg -i libsdl-net1.2_1.2.5-7_armel.deb |
| 22:14.57 | unique311 | rhys sent |
| 22:15.40 | jpt9 | is that the same one as before? |
| 22:15.49 | rhys | now that i have the nokia, im gonna need imap. which unfortunatly i cant set up my own server untill i have highspeed at college.. |
| 22:15.54 | rhys | and an external IP |
| 22:15.58 | milhouse | daniel - your skype blog is now on planet maemo, i'm not sure how well that's going to go down! ;) |
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| 22:17.28 | jpt9 | because it's saying "dpkg: requested operation requires superuser privilege" |
| 22:17.34 | jpt9 | and will it work with the onscreen kbd? |
| 22:17.48 | milhouse | jpt9 - are you root? |
| 22:17.49 | rhys | yes and yes |
| 22:17.52 | rhys | you need root |
| 22:17.52 | jpt9 | no. |
| 22:17.54 | jpt9 | oh. |
| 22:18.00 | milhouse | root == superuser |
| 22:18.01 | jpt9 | can't that possibly screw it up? |
| 22:18.23 | milhouse | if you make a mistake, yes |
| 22:18.35 | milhouse | but as long as you're careful you should be ok |
| 22:18.51 | milhouse | worst you can do is screw it up so bad you need to reflash it |
| 22:18.59 | jpt9 | are you sure? |
| 22:19.05 | milhouse | yep |
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| 22:19.39 | jpt9 | is there any way to temporarily enable root? I know about su and sudo, but you have to actually *enable* root on the 770... |
| 22:19.47 | jpt9 | so is there any way to temporarily enable it? |
| 22:20.01 | milhouse | you can become root while you install dpkg |
| 22:20.03 | milhouse | sorry, run dpk |
| 22:20.06 | milhouse | install becomeroot |
| 22:20.30 | milhouse | then run "sudo gainroot" to become root, run dpkg then type "exit" to drop back to the normal non privileged user |
| 22:20.40 | jpt9 | what does installing becomeroot do? |
| 22:21.12 | milhouse | it modifies the gainroot script to allow you become the root user without setting the R&D device flags |
| 22:21.15 | milhouse | it's safe |
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| 22:21.28 | pupnik | doesn't seem to be in bora |
| 22:21.34 | pupnik | i have to ssh into the device for root right now |
| 22:21.43 | milhouse | the other option is to enable the R&D device flags using the flasher utility |
| 22:21.46 | jpt9 | then what's up with this message on the developer's page: WARNING: This packages could brick the device (by touching /usr/sbin/gainroot). DO THIS AT YOUR OWN RISK. |
| 22:21.48 | Jaffa | pupnik: it's a third party deb |
| 22:21.49 | thoughtfix | Yes... download and install a package called becomeroot |
| 22:21.53 | milhouse | pupnik - that's the other option |
| 22:22.03 | jpt9 | if i uninstall it, will it be the same as before? |
| 22:22.08 | pupnik | works fine so eh.. |
| 22:22.34 | milhouse | jpt9 - that i don't know as i don't use becomeroot (i leave the R&D flags enabled) but it will do no harm if you leave it enabled |
| 22:22.39 | jpt9 | oh. |
| 22:22.53 | Jaffa | pupnik: SSH is a massive overhead for the N800's tiny little processor though |
| 22:22.54 | jpt9 | does dosbox work with the onscreen keyboard? |
| 22:23.14 | pupnik | nope |
| 22:23.18 | jpt9 | oh. |
| 22:23.24 | jpt9 | in that case there's no point in me installing it. |
| 22:23.29 | jpt9 | i don't have a BT keyboard :-( |
| 22:24.29 | jpt9 | anyone know of a cheap BT keyboard? |
| 22:24.41 | jpt9 | preferably something small (laptop-style; doesn't need to be folding). |
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| 22:25.22 | pupnik | nokia makes one. i use the thinkoutside stowaway BT |
| 22:25.56 | jpt9 | ah. |
| 22:26.00 | jpt9 | how much are they? |
| 22:26.03 | pupnik | http://betoni.aivo.com/betoni58.mp3 stream: beautiful mellow IDM (electronica) |
| 22:26.17 | jpt9 | I paid $130 for my 770, so most of the keyboards cost almost as much as the device itself :-) |
| 22:26.23 | gla55_ | i got a stowaway too.. i'd much prefer the version that has the numbers row |
| 22:26.24 | pupnik | i paid about 100 euro - cheaper in USA |
| 22:27.10 | thoughtfix | Heh. Comment I just got on my N800 Internet Calling video: The only thing that can compete with the iPhone |
| 22:27.16 | solmumaha | bt devices aren't usually cheap except for the dongle itself |
| 22:27.58 | milhouse | thoughtfix - not really sure that's true but nice all the same :) |
| 22:28.27 | thoughtfix | I have both the Stowaway and the Mini Stowaway. The bigger Stowaway is MUCH nicer, but also much bigger |
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| 22:28.54 | gla55_ | most hc iphone fanboys don't seem to know jacques schitt about whats on the market |
| 22:29.01 | gla55_ | i'd like the stowaway sierra |
| 22:29.38 | gla55_ | Jaffa: let's remove package management. it's confusing |
| 22:29.59 | thoughtfix | http://tabletblog.com/2007/05/stowaway-sierra-bluetooth-folding.html |
| 22:30.01 | milhouse | and those third party applications, what a nightmare ;) |
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| 22:30.32 | Jaffa | milhouse: you know as well as I do that probably 50% (if not more) of N800 users never install any other software. |
| 22:30.58 | milhouse | well if Skype is a third party download that could change |
| 22:31.29 | milhouse | I dare say you are correct at the moment, but that could easily change |
| 22:31.46 | Jaffa | Maybe. Active communities have a tendency to overestimate their numbers and the interest that inactive users have in the topic. |
| 22:32.00 | thoughtfix | if the iPhone had a 3G connection, supported Bluetooth DUN and Bluetooth A2DP profiles, I would've purchased it. |
| 22:32.16 | Jaffa | (IME) |
| 22:32.36 | milhouse | Rhapsody on an unlimited internet data plan is a killer application for something like the N800 (just a shame it's US only), same with Skype - potential killer app |
| 22:33.22 | milhouse | the problem with the n800 is that it's not as sexy as the iphone - functionality it beats it into the ground. |
| 22:33.37 | thoughtfix | milhouse: I have a post due Jul 16 comparing all the US phone carriers and their 3G connections, Bluetooth DUN support, and Terms of Service. |
| 22:33.42 | Jaffa | UK phone plans tend to have more free minutes than you can possibly use; less so for data. I'm not entirely convinced when *I'd* use my N800 for any form of voice/video-based communication when I've *always* got my phone with me. |
| 22:34.21 | thoughtfix | Sprint got back to me. I haven't talked to Verizon yet because I am going to torpedo them for their support and TOS, and I'm still waiting for responses from T-Mobile, AT&T, Alltel, and Helio |
| 22:34.31 | milhouse | i won't argue with that, but I thought Rhapsody was great and would work really well on a 3G connection |
| 22:34.45 | milhouse | why carry gigabytes of mp3s when you have 3 million tracks at your fingertips? |
| 22:35.01 | Jaffa | milhouse: indeed, and my original comment was not referring to the functionality; but the *quality*. Ignoring the fact that everything looks like a cheap desktop knock-off with way-too-large fonts, the RSS reader is still crap; *hopefully* Modest will be decent; the applications aren't interconnected and usable etc. |
| 22:35.26 | milhouse | Jaffa: Absolutely, and the quality issue is why the iPhone is "sexier" than the N800 |
| 22:35.33 | rhys | anyone hack a wifi antenna or better yet, an external antenna jack to the n800/n770? |
| 22:35.35 | Jaffa | milhouse: yeah, but some kind of local sync (i.e. stream at > 1x speed) would be cool to handle reception black spots. |
| 22:36.00 | Jaffa | milhouse: Indeed. Apple can build good hardware, build good software *and* market it. |
| 22:36.09 | thoughtfix | rhys: The gold square on the inside of the device is the antenna. Good luck soldering a dipole to that ;) |
| 22:36.42 | milhouse | yeah, in the 2 weeks I could use Rhapsody it was obvioust that it needed to pre-buffer the tracks - there was several seconds delay when one track ended and the other started, which shouldn't be necessary (multi threaded background buffering etc. of the data) |
| 22:37.10 | rhys | oh well. :(. the 7dbi mag mount omni i have for my senao card will just have to wait. |
| 22:37.17 | rhys | :D |
| 22:37.18 | thoughtfix | Rhapsody would be great if it had local caching |
| 22:37.20 | milhouse | Jaffa - yep, that's kind of been why i've ranted a bit on the mailing list about the lack of hype being generated about the upcoming firmware, it's just sooo laid back |
| 22:37.31 | Jaffa | All of this stuff is *easy*, Apple aren't /generally/ that innovative, they're just good integrators and good UI designers. I wonder why so many companies are so bad at it. |
| 22:37.33 | rhys | milhouse, why do you need hype? |
| 22:37.37 | Jaffa | milhouse: indeed, it was a good point |
| 22:37.45 | milhouse | rhys: someone hacked an external antennae on a 770, check the itt forums |
| 22:37.54 | milhouse | rhys: why not? |
| 22:37.58 | milhouse | :) |
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| 22:38.12 | Jaffa | rhys; more hype => more people aware of the device => more users => more developers => more applications => better competition => better applications => more users => more developers => ... |
| 22:38.59 | rhys | Jaffa, I didnt even know about the nokia untill i searched for it. and it happened to be on linuxdevices. |
| 22:39.07 | Jaffa | Anyway, I could rant all night about a theoretical business I ran with infinite resources, but I should probably bed. |
| 22:39.10 | thoughtfix | Not necessarily, Jaffa. The original Palm Pilots were barely hyped at all... but they were such well-designed devices for the time that the developers flocked to them. |
| 22:39.19 | rhys | -everyone- has heard about the iPhone.... |
| 22:39.25 | Jaffa | rhys: exactly. |
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| 22:39.38 | milhouse | cya jaffa - fingers crossed for new firmware tomorrow :) |
| 22:39.40 | Jaffa | thoughtfix: hype doesn't have to be manufacturer-led, of course. |
| 22:40.22 | rhys | Jaffa, i think that your having hope that is to be crushed. People and technology are stupidity. absolutely pathetic. |
| 22:40.28 | milhouse | i think in the case of the new firmware, nokia should be publicising the new and improved features that are coming |
| 22:40.41 | thoughtfix | Good point. The Internet of 1996 is very different from the Internet of today. The hype machines were word-of-mouth. |
| 22:40.53 | Jaffa | thoughtfix: in that case (and I'll take your word for it, I had a Psion Series 5 and was happy ;-)) the developers hyped the device to other developers (I'd bet, anyway) and that led to more devices being sold => more users => more developers etc. The loop can start at any point, and once you've got critical mass - boom. |
| 22:41.29 | milhouse | seeing as they won't tell anybody what's new and improved in the new firmware, Nokia have to lead the hype - we'd help if we knew what was coming. |
| 22:41.29 | rhys | i asked one girl if she had an mp3 player. shes said, no...whats that? i told her it plays music. she then pulls out her iPod. then she asked me who made the mp thingy |
| 22:41.44 | Jaffa | milhouse: agreed. |
| 22:41.48 | pupnik | rhys is right. MS-DOS / Windows 3.1 |
| 22:43.05 | Jaffa | g'night. |
| 22:43.41 | unique311 | mp thingy |
| 22:43.43 | unique311 | lol |
| 22:43.48 | unique311 | classic |
| 22:44.03 | rhys | >:|} |
| 22:44.16 | unique311 | scary but classic |
| 22:44.37 | rhys | unique311, ive had people understand ubuntu as "oh, cheap windows" |
| 22:45.17 | thoughtfix | Good point. |
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| 22:45.48 | rhys | the tar command dies on /usr/share/sounds |
| 22:46.08 | thoughtfix | milhouse: Remember IT2006? They hinted at a few things (thumbboard, GTalk) but gave us a few surprises as well (voice calls, swap file) |
| 22:46.26 | unique311 | AnF girl brand rep told me shows are suppose to be taken every 3 days........... |
| 22:46.41 | unique311 | showers* |
| 22:48.33 | milhouse | thoughtfix - indeed, but why was the secrecy and coyness necessary? |
| 22:49.05 | thoughtfix | Remember Scotty on Star Trek? Remember his appearance in Star Trek: The Next Generation? |
| 22:49.29 | milhouse | you're wierding me out now... I'm not a Trekky :) |
| 22:50.07 | rhys | does anyone know why tar does on .wav files? |
| 22:50.20 | thoughtfix | Okay - |
| 22:50.34 | thoughtfix | Scot said it's better for an engineer to under-promise and over-deliver |
| 22:51.00 | milhouse | i'm all for that - that's how I operate at work, but I can still promise some things! |
| 22:51.01 | thoughtfix | If Nokia promised Skype, Skype Video, Bluetooth A2DP, and 30 FPS Flash support and could not deliver Skype Video, people would bash them. |
| 22:51.15 | thoughtfix | If they promised Skype and delivered Skype and Bluetooth A2DP, people would praise them |
| 22:51.28 | thoughtfix | And rofl@jaffa for knowing the episode name |
| 22:51.34 | milhouse | there comes a time during development when you're pretty sure whats going into the release and what's not |
| 22:51.51 | Jaffa | milhouse++; usually right at the start |
| 22:52.32 | Jaffa | You don't invest X weeks of development time on something unless you know you can do it. I'm currently having to do prototypes at work to prove we *can* (I think) do what we've said we think we can do, this is way way WAY before any potential release. |
| 22:52.32 | milhouse | Jaffa - well yeah, but that list is usually a bit longer than the list at the end (although scarily it's sometimes the other way around too!) :) |
| 22:52.32 | thoughtfix | milhouse: True, but why spill ALL the beans until you're ready to deliver? |
| 22:52.50 | Jaffa | Similarly, the rough release date is known. |
| 22:52.53 | milhouse | hype? sales? |
| 22:53.17 | thoughtfix | Read the last conversation http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0708764/quotes |
| 22:53.24 | milhouse | also, judging by the build dates of the firmware they're QA'ing a final build for up to 6 weeks... plenty of time to make a few leaks to bloggers, press etc. |
| 22:53.41 | rhys | :( |
| 22:54.03 | thoughtfix | trust me, milhouse ... I'm trying |
| 22:54.13 | Jaffa | Hell, *use* the community to do some damn testing on the bloody things. If we're getting one firmware release every 6 months, I'd like them to be as bug free as possible. |
| 22:54.31 | milhouse | hehe... s/star fleet captain/users/ |
| 22:54.42 | thoughtfix | I have my lips so firmly planted between the cheeks of Skype and Nokia just to try to extract little nuggets of extra info. |
| 22:54.46 | thoughtfix | Please don't visualize that. |
| 22:54.59 | pupnik | too late |
| 22:55.02 | milhouse | too late... eugh... thanks |
| 22:55.18 | thoughtfix | rofl |
| 22:55.29 | rhys | damnit |
| 22:55.32 | rhys | thats twice |
| 22:55.48 | thoughtfix | Hmm? |
| 22:56.16 | rhys | thoughtfix, tar causes the nokia to lock up. |
| 22:56.25 | rhys | it dies on the .wav files in /usr/share/sounds |
| 22:56.27 | milhouse | have you tried gnu tar? |
| 22:56.56 | rhys | i http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Boot_From_MMC_card |
| 22:56.58 | milhouse | i think the busybox tar has a few issues |
| 22:57.00 | rhys | im following this |
| 22:57.12 | milhouse | right, so you should have gnu tar already? |
| 22:57.32 | rhys | apt-get -d install tar, dpkg -x tar*.deb /tar-tmp, |
| 22:57.36 | rhys | yes? |
| 22:57.51 | milhouse | yes |
| 22:58.15 | rhys | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:59.43 | rhys | i cant use cp -pr to duplicate that can I? |
| 22:59.55 | rhys | or send the tar archive somewhere else? |
| 23:00.01 | rhys | im not sure if it dies on reading or writing |
| 23:00.19 | unique311 | k, i think i'm addicted to ninja warrior. |
| 23:00.48 | milhouse | rhys: the command you're using is the most efficient method |
| 23:00.56 | milhouse | cp i don't think will work |
| 23:00.57 | rhys | except if it doesnt work |
| 23:01.04 | milhouse | well yes, but it should |
| 23:01.15 | rhys | it doesnt. i think its in writing to the card. |
| 23:01.28 | milhouse | and you could tar to an archive file then unarchive in two distinct stages, but it will take longer, might be worth a try |
| 23:01.40 | milhouse | is your card OK - what make/brand is it? |
| 23:02.03 | milhouse | is the device locking up, or just the tar process - can you see what state it's in? |
| 23:02.19 | rhys | the device is perfect |
| 23:02.22 | rhys | the tar proccess |
| 23:02.32 | rhys | milhouse, thats actually what im thinking |
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| 23:03.13 | rhys | tar -cvf /media/mmc1/filesystem.tar -C /floppy . |
| 23:03.24 | rhys | thats to the external 4gb card i have |
| 23:03.29 | rhys | take it and the 2gb out to my lappy |
| 23:03.39 | rhys | and unextract it with my lappy to the 2gb card |
| 23:04.33 | milhouse | worth a shot |
| 23:05.16 | rhys | though, why -C /floppy . |
| 23:05.23 | rhys | instead of just /floppy |
| 23:05.25 | rhys | ? |
| 23:06.47 | milhouse | floppy is mounting the rootfs again, -C changes to that directory before tarring the contents (.) |
| 23:07.11 | rhys | i know it changes directory... |
| 23:07.18 | milhouse | it's kind of like tarring / but means you avoid all the other mounted filesystems |
| 23:07.28 | rhys | ah |
| 23:07.51 | rhys | equivilant would be "tar cvf /blah/fs.tar /floppy/* ? |
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| 23:08.09 | milhouse | yes, but then when you untar it will be /floppy |
| 23:08.29 | milhouse | by switching into /floppy, you don't have /floppy as a prefix for the archived files |
| 23:08.51 | rhys | lets try it then |
| 23:09.02 | milhouse | my terminology is sketchy here, but there's a big difference when you -C into /floppy rather than tar /floppy |
| 23:09.34 | rhys | im still learning alot milhouse. this is actually what im lined up to do for a living. |
| 23:09.39 | eop | hm, i installed kismet and its no where to be found |
| 23:09.45 | rhys | embedded electrical engineering |
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| 23:09.50 | rhys | eop, dpkg -l? |
| 23:10.34 | eop | hm, i havent gotten root on the 770 though |
| 23:10.43 | eop | necessary to use kismet? |
| 23:11.04 | rhys | pretty sure |
| 23:11.08 | milhouse | rhys: sounds fun :) |
| 23:11.20 | rhys | in the kismet.conf you set the user id that it sus into once it does something or other as root |
| 23:11.34 | milhouse | eop - yes, you need root to run kismet. the nomral users PATH won't find it |
| 23:11.39 | milhouse | or be able to execute it |
| 23:11.50 | rhys | chroot /mnt/initfs cal-tool --set-root-device mmc2 << if i dont use ask:, when i remove the internal card, will it automaticly boot from internal flash? |
| 23:12.01 | milhouse | should do |
| 23:12.05 | eop | k, thanks |
| 23:12.21 | rhys | on /usr/lib now. |
| 23:12.27 | rhys | sbin.. |
| 23:12.45 | rhys | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:12.49 | rhys | :( |
| 23:13.46 | thoughtfix | Heh |
| 23:13.52 | thoughtfix | I just Emailed my PR rep at Skype |
| 23:14.07 | rhys | in the "display" options, theres a checkbox to "display LED lights" |
| 23:14.07 | thoughtfix | Gave him my cell number and invited him to call me at any time of day or night with news. He will. |
| 23:14.13 | rhys | what leds light? |
| 23:14.29 | rhys | thoughtfix, got a good friend/ |
| 23:14.30 | rhys | ? |
| 23:15.24 | thoughtfix | Skype is excited about the N800 too |
| 23:15.56 | rhys | ill put skype on, but ill use gizmo. skype is closed source. |
| 23:16.18 | thoughtfix | Well |
| 23:16.27 | thoughtfix | I just mentioned that on tabletblog |
| 23:16.50 | rhys | w00t. i think the taring worked now |
| 23:17.05 | thoughtfix | The importance of Skype on the N800 is comparable to the importance of YouTube on the iPhone - It's not about what it offers per se - it's about appealing to an already in-demand user base |
| 23:18.11 | rhys | thoughtfix, no, i love that it supports it. its a great thing for nokia and the devices. just not a big deal to me. i will try to convert everyone i know to gizmo if thats the way we talk. |
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| 23:19.44 | TimRiker | does gizmo do video? |
| 23:20.16 | rhys | someone packaged google earth for zenwalk. id like them to do the same for nvidia. i use the nvidia drivers on linux. the nokia though has finally shown me though how wonderful opensource is. If at all possible, I will try to use the opensource alternative to everything. |
| 23:20.17 | TimRiker | any update on skype for the n800? |
| 23:20.50 | solmumaha | tomorrow ;) |
| 23:22.41 | rhys | which means im gonna have to do this again |
| 23:22.43 | rhys | great |
| 23:23.59 | milhouse | consider it practice :) |
| 23:24.19 | rhys | tar extracts to the current directory right? |
| 23:24.26 | milhouse | normally |
| 23:24.27 | milhouse | yes |
| 23:24.51 | rhys | cd /opt; tar xvf /media/mmc1/fs.tar |
| 23:25.17 | milhouse | yep |
| 23:25.27 | milhouse | have a look at it first - tar tvf |
| 23:25.41 | milhouse | if every file is prefixed with /floppy you have a problem |
| 23:26.08 | rhys | tvf is so useful when making slack packages |
| 23:26.51 | rhys | nope. . |
| 23:26.51 | rhys | :D |
| 23:26.51 | milhouse | good :) |
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| 23:27.50 | rhys | poor poor me. i first booted slackware 9.1, first distro ever. init 3..yay. got into a terminal...now what. dir worked. thats all i knew. :( |
| 23:27.53 | eop | do i need dropbear.deb or dropbear from a repository to gainroot? |
| 23:28.06 | rhys | eop, no no.. |
| 23:28.14 | rhys | add osso-xterm |
| 23:28.18 | rhys | gainroot |
| 23:28.26 | rhys | run xterm, type sudo gainroot |
| 23:28.27 | rhys | viola |
| 23:28.40 | milhouse | you need becomeroot package installed to use gainroot |
| 23:28.57 | rhys | is it become root? |
| 23:29.09 | milhouse | one word i think |
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| 23:29.13 | milhouse | it's listed in the app manager |
| 23:29.17 | milhouse | then install xterm |
| 23:29.17 | rhys | yep. becomeroot |
| 23:29.22 | eop | yeah i installed that |
| 23:29.32 | milhouse | then sudo gainroot, apt-get install ssh (or dropbear) |
| 23:29.33 | eop | reading this tutorial it says something about sshing to myself |
| 23:30.17 | milhouse | not sure what tutorial that is, but it's possible they're saying ssh into the device as root (-l root) and enter the root password |
| 23:30.48 | milhouse | it's another way of becoming root, not my preferred route I must admit, as some users prefer to disable logins on the root account for security reasons |
| 23:31.02 | eop | its from this tutorial |
| 23:31.05 | eop | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowDoiBecomeRoot2 |
| 23:31.37 | rhys | http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowTo_EASILY_BecomeRoot |
| 23:31.38 | rhys | try that |
| 23:31.55 | milhouse | that's pretty out of date |
| 23:31.57 | milhouse | the first one |
| 23:32.32 | milhouse | just install becomeroot, xterm, open xterm, sudo gainroot, apt-get install ssh and then you're pretty much all set |
| 23:32.39 | pupnik | i love the /lastlog command |
| 23:32.56 | rhys | milhouse, i think he was trying to run kismet? |
| 23:33.00 | eop | do i need the apt-get ssh |
| 23:33.12 | eop | i just wanted kismet running |
| 23:33.13 | milhouse | no, forget ssh if you don't intend to connect from another box |
| 23:33.27 | eop | k, thanks again |
| 23:33.32 | milhouse | i find it a lot easier to work "on" the n800 by connecting from another PC :) |
| 23:34.13 | milhouse | in order to run kismet, get root (sudo gainroot) then execute "kismet" at the command line... make sure you have wifi disconnected at this point :) |
| 23:37.11 | milhouse | time for bed... see you tomorrow chaps |
| 23:37.14 | pupnik | kismet+flite+headphones = score |
| 23:37.15 | pupnik | cu milhouse |
| 23:37.31 | Andy80 | hi again |
| 23:38.17 | rhys | damnit |
| 23:38.30 | dick-richardson | nano isn't working. I'm getting 'nano: symbol lookup error: /lib/libslang.so.2: undefined symbol: tgetent' |
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| 23:39.57 | pupnik | version mismatch? |
| 23:40.29 | dick-richardson | that's my guess...what's the best way to troubleshoot it? |
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| 23:41.39 | dick-richardson | oh, just reading the previous comments, you can use just ssh to gain root access...once root just set a new passwd for the root acc't and for user |
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| 23:42.24 | Andy80 | is it possible to have an account to post on Maemo Planet? |
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| 23:42.53 | jpt9 | i have a bunch of Skype packages in my app catalog. |
| 23:43.03 | jpt9 | with a maintainer of fixme@nokia.com. |
| 23:43.34 | jpt9 | they don't install (i'm running 2007HE on a 770)... |
| 23:43.40 | jpt9 | but does this mean Skype is coming soon? |
| 23:44.03 | dick-richardson | I've got 'em too |
| 23:44.12 | jpt9 | do they work yet? |
| 23:44.30 | dick-richardson | not gonna try until I hear officially...I need this thing to work :P |
| 23:44.38 | jpt9 | yeah... |
| 23:44.47 | jpt9 | any chance it'll work on a 770 with 2007HE? |
| 23:44.49 | Andy80 | I hope they release it for 770 too :( |
| 23:44.54 | jpt9 | me too! |
| 23:45.01 | jpt9 | quick... make a petition! |
| 23:46.55 | rhys | so it works now |
| 23:46.56 | dick-richardson | my problem w/skype is they don't have a local number for me :( |
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| 23:47.01 | rhys | i did it on my machine |
| 23:47.09 | rhys | but oddly enough, tar printed at the very end this |
| 23:47.10 | rhys | d kismet running |
| 23:47.10 | rhys | <milhouse> no, forget s |
| 23:47.13 | rhys | opps |
| 23:47.24 | rhys | tar: .: implausibly old time stamp 1969-12-31 19:00:00 |
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| 23:49.24 | Andy80 | dick-richardson: about local numbers I've no problem... I use the Eutelia Voip here in italy, they give you up to 100 free local numbers :) |
| 23:49.30 | Andy80 | I use it with Gizmo |
| 23:52.29 | pupnik | I'd like a clock applet that displays in the screen border somewhere |
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