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| 02:28.26 | trevarthan | What's up bitches? |
| 02:34.08 | pupnik | http://www.bigheadpress.com/tpbtgn?page=1 |
| 02:34.12 | pupnik | reading a comic novel |
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| 02:39.41 | Modulus | hey all, quick troubleshooting question: |
| 02:39.47 | Modulus | I'm having trouble with my Nokia 770 and my DGL-4300. |
| 02:39.47 | Modulus | I am able to connect to the router just fine, but when I try to connect to a webpage I get a 'network error'. |
| 02:39.47 | Modulus | The odd thing is that I can open up a web page if I just type in the IP address. |
| 02:39.47 | Modulus | Also I can connect to a media server on my internal network just fine. |
| 02:39.47 | Modulus | So I thought that it might be a DNS problem, so I tried manually assigning the DNS server IP (trying the router, my ISP DNS server, and a free dns server). No luck none of them did anything. |
| 02:39.48 | Modulus | The really odd thing is that I am sometime able to connect and browse the web (seems to work more often when I have left the device off for an extended period). |
| 02:39.51 | Modulus | Also I am able to connected to a neighbor's router and browse normally. |
| 02:39.53 | Modulus | I don't know wtf is going on. I've got the latest firmware for the router (1.8 I think), and the latest OS for the Nokia. |
| 02:39.56 | Modulus | I tried turning on and off every setting on the router that I thought could be causing a problem, but to no avail. |
| 02:39.59 | Modulus | I really hate wireless, it never works right. |
| 02:40.01 | Modulus | anyone have any suggestions on how to troubleshoot this? I not really familiar with linux, so I don't really know what options are open to me to attempt a fix. |
| 02:40.04 | Modulus | Thanks |
| 02:42.02 | pupnik | that sounds difficult |
| 02:43.53 | Modulus | yeah I think it is just not compatible with the router. But I wanted to see if anyone else has an idea |
| 02:44.01 | ericz | indeed it does.. the whole part about only able to access websites with IP, but not hostname, is definently a DNS issue though |
| 02:44.56 | Xenon3DN | Sounds like some portion of your network is blocking UDP -- some kind of firewall problem. That will kill DNS operation totally. |
| 02:46.38 | Modulus | hrmm, well other wireless computers are able to get to the net. Also the router acts as a DNS cache, but like I said, I tried manually setting the DNS server on the Nokia |
| 02:48.23 | Xenon3DN | Yes, but even if you set the DNS server on the Nokia, if all of its UDP traffic to the outside world is getting lost, it won't work. |
| 02:49.49 | Xenon3DN | Not sure why other systems would work and the Nokia wouldn't, but I'm telling you what circumstances fit your described failure mode. |
| 02:51.31 | Modulus | but what about the router acting as a dns server? you wouldn't need UDP traffic out of the router if the router was handeling the DNS... I'll look into it more to see if that might be the problem though |
| 02:52.51 | Xenon3DN | I'm not specifying where the UDP loss is. Maybe it's between the Nokia and the router. I'm just saying, it smells like UDP loss. |
| 02:53.28 | Modulus | noted. Maybe i'll try sniffing the network to see if I can see the packets |
| 02:54.37 | Xenon3DN | Good idea. |
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| 03:34.51 | Xenon3DN | KaylaKaze. |
| 03:52.43 | Xenon3DN | I got Canola working with local files using the instructions from k-s. And I have my MP3 share mounted, and configured in Canola Configure. But I have a suspicion that Canola isn't scanning that share. It's so close. I wish k-s were back to pick his brain. |
| 03:54.32 | Modulus | wtf.. it's working now. I hooked up a spare wireless router as an access point and it was working on that, then I was able to connect to my normal wireless router and get to the net. This is just odd. There must be something really odd about this router + the nokia 770. Oh well, maybe I'll just setup the other router as the permanent wireless access point. |
| 03:54.37 | Modulus | thanks for your help |
| 03:55.28 | Xenon3DN | Glad it sort of worked. Would be nice to understand what the problem really was. |
| 03:57.07 | Modulus | It has to be a hardware conflict between the two, I can't think of anything else it could be. oh well, thanks again |
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| 04:45.26 | Wzrd2 | hi..how do I missing lib files |
| 04:46.22 | Xenon3DN | First, form a complete sentence. Missing verb is a common problem. |
| 04:47.01 | `0660 | i bet he's trying to install missing lib files |
| 04:48.15 | `0660 | you'd be better of telling what you really want to achieve though... |
| 04:48.48 | Wzrd2 | yes...how do I install missing library files...trying to install xgalaga |
| 04:49.01 | Wzrd2 | what repository do I use? |
| 04:49.03 | `0660 | that's better |
| 04:50.13 | `0660 | http://xgalaga.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 04:50.46 | Wzrd2 | what about for general lib files which are missing? |
| 04:51.14 | `0660 | the general lib files (glibc) are installed already |
| 04:51.19 | Wzrd2 | I added there but I couldn't find the missing lib.. hold..let me try again |
| 04:51.37 | `0660 | you have to change to red pill mode to find them |
| 04:52.00 | Wzrd2 | not general lib files. I mean is there a place which has all the various lib files you would need for any/most apps/game |
| 04:52.18 | Wzrd2 | red pill? |
| 04:52.40 | `0660 | yeah |
| 04:52.49 | `0660 | try "red pill n800" in google |
| 04:53.29 | Wzrd2 | I have a 700...same process? |
| 04:55.00 | Wzrd2 | xgalaga mistral and user |
| 04:55.05 | Wzrd2 | ? |
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| 05:03.54 | `0660 | according to the webpage you need to get to the red pill mode with n770 too |
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| 05:14.22 | Dr_Nunim | It's just that he was all alone. Always by himself. Never anyone to share the game. A man who lived in dreams -- that's who he was. |
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| 05:17.31 | xnix | howdy |
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| 05:32.30 | Xark | Does anybody have any links to a "native" compiler (runs on N800)? I found one (g++-3.4) but its flakey and gets internal errors (so much so, it can't build another gcc). |
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| 05:51.01 | Wzrd2 | so do the red pill thing and then download xterm and ssh? |
| 05:52.18 | Xark | Wzrd2: That worked for me. :-) |
| 05:52.35 | Wzrd2 | and then how do I get the missing libraries |
| 05:52.45 | Wzrd2 | trying now |
| 05:53.25 | Xark | Wz: I missed your orignial question. What are you trying to do? |
| 05:54.35 | Wzrd2 | get all the missing libraries that most programs need to install like libx ones |
| 05:55.27 | Wzrd2 | libxpm4 |
| 05:55.31 | Xark | Wzrd2: Hmm, well my experience is most will install their own dependencies (sometimes asking to add things to the catalog). |
| 05:55.46 | Wzrd2 | i'm trying to install xgalaga |
| 05:56.06 | Wzrd2 | the xgalaga.garage.maemo.org that someone told me to do didn't work |
| 05:56.14 | Xark | Wzrd2: Hmm, I don't think I tried that one...(but I got most games). |
| 05:56.31 | Wzrd2 | it's missing libxpm4 |
| 05:57.31 | KaylaKaze | Dungeon Hack would be a good gzme to port to 770 |
| 05:58.07 | KaylaKaze | but since it's not open source, it'd probably be easier to port DosBox |
| 05:58.15 | KaylaKaze | and play it under thaty |
| 05:58.56 | Xark | KaylaKaze: Ooo, yes DOSBox would be great on the N800 (assuming its fast enough to play anything). |
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| 06:00.28 | Wzrd2 | do you know how to get libxpm4 |
| 06:01.31 | KaylaKaze | it'd be better on the 770 |
| 06:01.36 | KaylaKaze | nope |
| 06:03.31 | KaylaKaze | I suppose someone could make a new version of Dungeon Hack using D&D 3.5 rules instead of the AD&D 2ed rules used for the originaly DH... I had almost done that for Neverwinter Nights but never got around to it. |
| 06:03.59 | Xark | KaylaKaze: I doubt the VFP would be useful for DosBox, so I imagine it could work on either (perhaps a bit faster on N800). I just purchased this N800, so I am not familiar with the N770. |
| 06:04.27 | KaylaKaze | I only have a 770 so I want everything to run on a 770 :-P |
| 06:04.55 | Xark | KaylaKaze: I suspected that. :-) |
| 06:05.05 | KaylaKaze | tomorrow I should have my comic book/pdf viewing system done, or at least mostly done |
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| 06:06.14 | Xark | Does N800 support realplayer files? It pretends too, but won't play any NPR (among others). Anybody know? |
| 06:06.57 | Xark | Some older format I am guessing... |
| 06:07.03 | KaylaKaze | probably not unless mplayer can handle it |
| 06:07.17 | Xark | KaylaKaze: Is that for specially formatted comic book PDFs? |
| 06:07.20 | Wzrd2 | anyone know how to get the libxpm4 library? |
| 06:07.38 | Wzrd2 | I just did the red pill thing and installed ssh and osso-xterm |
| 06:07.38 | KaylaKaze | No, it's for CBR and CBZ files as well as non secure PDFs |
| 06:08.01 | KaylaKaze | but it requires you to be connected to your pc via network |
| 06:08.09 | KaylaKaze | abd your media be stored on the pc |
| 06:08.38 | Xark | KaylaKaze: Interesting. |
| 06:08.47 | KaylaKaze | and a web server with PHP on your PC |
| 06:08.56 | KaylaKaze | and Ghostscript for PDF file handling :-) |
| 06:09.05 | Xark | KaylaKaze: So the Nokia is some kind of client? |
| 06:09.27 | Xark | KaylaKaze: Where the PC does the "heavy lifting"? |
| 06:09.30 | KaylaKaze | what it pretty much does, is extracts a page from a PDF or a CBR/CBZ, and serves it to the web browser on a page with navigation links and book selection and such |
| 06:10.08 | KaylaKaze | Yeah, pretty much. I was trying to find a good image client on it to read comic book pages and noticed that Opera does a WONDERFUL job with that |
| 06:10.10 | Xark | KaylaKaze: Ahh, I see. Uses web client, so its basically a specialized HTTP server. |
| 06:10.27 | KaylaKaze | or a specialized section of an already existing web server |
| 06:10.36 | Xark | KaylaKaze: Right. Sounds cool. |
| 06:11.17 | KaylaKaze | the nokia still takes a little time to render a new page, but no where near the time it takes to render in the PDF reader or Envince |
| 06:11.39 | Xark | KaylaKaze: So far I am just using the N800 as a (tiny) generic linux box. Trying to gather as many normal dev tools as feasable (but having trouble with a dicey native compiler). |
| 06:11.53 | KaylaKaze | I suppose, though, that if you extact your CBR/CBZ/or PDF files into images you could stick them on your MC and browse them with Opera for book reading |
| 06:12.16 | Xark | KaylaKaze: How long between pages? |
| 06:12.28 | KaylaKaze | full color, about 5 seconds maybe |
| 06:12.38 | KaylaKaze | manga, 1 or 2 tops |
| 06:13.01 | Xark | KaylaKaze: Thats not too bad. Like a typical web site (if not better). |
| 06:13.39 | KaylaKaze | I tried to find a way to precache the image, so it's being processed while you're looking at the other and then have it flip like a double buffer, but it seems opera only renders the picture when it becomes visible |
| 06:14.04 | KaylaKaze | the code double buffers though |
| 06:14.52 | Xark | KaylaKaze: Is minimo (sp?) any faster? I kind of liked it but its a bit "too beta" currently. |
| 06:14.53 | KaylaKaze | I've got it working with CBR files, so I just gotta pop in the PDF and CBZ stuff. Then I have to make the file browsing and make it more intelligent |
| 06:15.25 | KaylaKaze | I use minimo for my DND character sheet, but I wasn't able to get it started for some reason to test the reader |
| 06:15.43 | Wzrd2 | we need a better flash than 6 on the nokia |
| 06:16.45 | KaylaKaze | well, minimo seems to be running now so let's try it |
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| 06:18.43 | Xark | Wzrd2: OK, I get the same libxpm4 issue as you. Hunting for it now... |
| 06:20.44 | xnix | does anyone know why i would get this error: /usr/lib/libgtkhtml-3.8.so: undefined reference to `regexec@GLIBC_2.3.4' when trynig to compile the example code at the very top of this page: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial_bora.html |
| 06:21.24 | KaylaKaze | the double buffering works better in minimo |
| 06:21.36 | KaylaKaze | but the minimo doesn't go full screen :-( |
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| 06:21.56 | xnix | KaylaKaze: minimo can go fullscreen throguh the menu, but the fullscreen button doest work properly |
| 06:21.59 | KaylaKaze | oh, yes it does, justg not with the button |
| 06:22.04 | xnix | yeah |
| 06:22.09 | xnix | :) |
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| 06:22.56 | xnix | anyone know about my error just trying to compile the simple example? |
| 06:24.29 | KaylaKaze | wow! the double buffering works REAL goof inm Minimo... but it seems sometimes the pictures don't process right |
| 06:25.51 | KaylaKaze | http://kaylakaze.sytes.net/databases/test.php?rname=spawn/spawn%20%23001.cbr |
| 06:25.52 | xnix | KaylaKaze: what is double buffering |
| 06:26.07 | KaylaKaze | the first couple pages don't work right yet, but after that it works good |
| 06:26.58 | KaylaKaze | double buffering (along with page flipping) is when you render 2 scenes, one visible, the next not, then you flip them and draw the next scene on the previous "canvas" |
| 06:27.54 | xnix | cool |
| 06:27.59 | xnix | just makes it faster i giess? |
| 06:28.00 | xnix | *guess |
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| 06:29.06 | Xark | Wzrd2: Hmm, I can find the package, for armrel even, but not with the right libc version. |
| 06:29.08 | KaylaKaze | yeah |
| 06:29.39 | KaylaKaze | it'll also make it sqitch pages easier when you're connected over the internet to your home system instead of WLAN |
| 06:29.42 | Xark | Wzrd2: I need to figure out how to compile source packages (if my ricketty compiler allows it). |
| 06:32.47 | Xark | BTW, is there a *working* VMWare maemo development image around? I couldn't get it past "grub loading"... |
| 06:33.33 | KaylaKaze | I got one that works |
| 06:33.42 | KaylaKaze | but it's only 3.1 sdk |
| 06:33.54 | Xark | KaylaKaze: Hmmm, isn't that the latest? |
| 06:34.01 | KaylaKaze | I have the same problem with 2.2 sdk on it as I do on my ubuntu |
| 06:34.09 | KaylaKaze | yes, but not 770 compatible |
| 06:34.51 | KaylaKaze | I still have to figure out how I'm gonna handle double size pages on the comic viewer... |
| 06:34.58 | Xark | KaylaKaze: Hmm, but its what I think I need. I found the image, downloaded it and it unbzip2'd OK, but VMWare player doesn't boot it right. |
| 06:35.20 | KaylaKaze | weird, my vmware did |
| 06:35.37 | Xark | KaylaKaze: Probably because my laptop is dual core or something. |
| 06:35.46 | KaylaKaze | maybe |
| 06:36.31 | Xark | I was kind of bummed. I'll have to resurrect/build another Linux box (eventually). |
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| 06:58.00 | komarov | anyone interested in printing on N800? :-) |
| 07:00.25 | komarov | anyone familiar with CUPS on Linux? |
| 07:04.07 | unique311 | komarov, how are you going about it...bluetooth? |
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| 07:06.03 | unique311 | hmm.. |
| 07:06.30 | unique311 | might be able to share your printer like you share folders in XP |
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| 07:07.53 | komarov | yeah! |
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| 07:23.24 | unique311 | http://www.spectec.com.tw/products_detal.asp?dptype=v1sdv841 |
| 07:23.31 | unique311 | this could be usefull |
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| 08:08.36 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 08:11.13 | cy- | sup Jaffa |
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| 09:30.50 | pello | hi |
| 09:30.55 | pello | where is the ESC key ? |
| 09:31.25 | suihkulokki | the "back" key in the keypad |
| 09:31.55 | osfameron | oh! |
| 09:32.06 | osfameron | I just mapped one of the hotkeys in the terminal, but that would be useful for vim |
| 09:32.36 | pello | yse under vim and n800 |
| 09:32.48 | pello | seems not to be easy |
| 09:32.52 | osfameron | the editor of champions! |
| 09:39.32 | pello | thx suihkulokki |
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| 10:42.29 | Tu13es | whee, my n800 comes today :D |
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| 10:43.50 | cy- | Tu13es: w00t! ;) |
| 10:44.01 | Tu13es | gotta love amazon prime :) |
| 10:44.07 | cy- | indeed |
| 10:44.24 | Tu13es | anyways, off to work |
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| 11:11.28 | jani | hehe, still working on getting it ported =) |
| 11:11.52 | pupnik | you're working on DrPocketSnes? |
| 11:12.06 | jani | nah but i looked it last week when i saw you brought up the topic =) |
| 11:12.12 | pupnik | oh right |
| 11:17.27 | unique311 | you always pointing at the Dr. |
| 11:17.40 | unique311 | whats the status of your port? |
| 11:18.41 | unique311 | micheal770 you should release the gnupaint source....the 770 version you have on the blogspot does not work on the n800. |
| 11:18.53 | unique311 | give someone a chance to port it for the n800 |
| 11:19.01 | koen | "port" |
| 11:19.06 | koen | you mean "recompile" |
| 11:19.11 | unique311 | yeah |
| 11:19.17 | unique311 | are you micheal770 |
| 11:19.34 | jani | ;) |
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| 11:19.47 | edistar | is there an easy way to mount an nfs share? |
| 11:19.51 | edistar | on the n770? |
| 11:20.01 | pupnik | i think you need an nfs-enabled kernel |
| 11:20.22 | pupnik | my DrPocketSnes is a total mess right now - mashing together elements of Snes9X and the gp2x tree |
| 11:20.27 | edistar | pupnik: isn't there something userland? |
| 11:20.28 | unique311 | http://michaels770.blogspot.com/2006/04/gnupaint770.html |
| 11:20.39 | unique311 | who is this micheals770 |
| 11:21.26 | pupnik | Afaik no edistar, normal nfs needs to hook into the kernel's filesystem-handling - to make it look transparent |
| 11:21.27 | edistar | a german ;) |
| 11:21.34 | edistar | pupnik: thanks |
| 11:21.42 | edistar | pupnik: is it hard to get that kernel? |
| 11:22.17 | pupnik | no it's online - variety of kernels for it2006. one of them supports high speed mode on the mmc also |
| 11:22.33 | edistar | that sounds good ;) |
| 11:22.40 | edistar | well, I have to be off, cya soon! |
| 11:22.51 | pupnik | cu |
| 11:23.19 | pupnik | i think i spent about 50 hours on it unique311 :/ |
| 11:24.45 | koen | ~seen micheals770 |
| 11:24.47 | infobot | koen: i haven't seen 'micheals770' |
| 11:24.56 | koen | looks like he isn't on irc |
| 11:24.59 | jani | the biggest issue is still framebuffer to sdl rendering ? |
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| 11:26.13 | konttori | pupnik: How far are you of a working version of that snes emu? |
| 11:27.02 | pupnik | i don't know. |
| 11:27.27 | unique311 | wow, a new weapon called metal storm, can fire 1 million rounds in 1 minute. |
| 11:27.29 | unique311 | why |
| 11:27.43 | pupnik | heh metal storm is 2 years old at least |
| 11:27.58 | unique311 | true.. |
| 11:28.04 | pupnik | they're mainly selling it for puncturing armor - the rounds hit the same spot |
| 11:28.05 | unique311 | re-runs of future weapons |
| 11:29.08 | pupnik | you might be interested in 'railguns' too |
| 11:29.25 | mgedmin | how much does a million tons weigh? |
| 11:29.33 | mgedmin | err |
| 11:29.37 | mgedmin | how much does a million *rounds* weigh? |
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| 11:29.53 | unique311 | how much does 1 round weight depends on the round |
| 11:29.56 | unique311 | i guess |
| 11:30.22 | pupnik | it doesn't fire for a minute |
| 11:30.24 | mgedmin | I was just thinking how big an ammo truck you'd need following you if you planned to keep shooting for more than a few seconds |
| 11:30.26 | pupnik | just short burtsts |
| 11:30.34 | unique311 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zx_9_RgMPCE |
| 11:30.37 | unique311 | at work |
| 11:32.43 | unique311 | i was thinking the same mgedmin, thats alot of bullets... |
| 11:32.55 | unique311 | to be carrying around. |
| 11:35.50 | pupnik | in an alternate universe, we'd have /dev/fb0 |
| 11:40.44 | unique311 | don't we |
| 11:40.58 | unique311 | the its present |
| 11:41.25 | koen | you only need to change one kernel config option to make it behave like a normal framebuffer |
| 11:43.48 | pupnik | wow |
| 11:44.25 | pupnik | still "try my game! (custom kernel required)" won't be too popular |
| 11:47.27 | unique311 | lol |
| 11:47.54 | unique311 | custom kernel is never too popular with the regular user |
| 11:47.56 | c0ffee | just put a patch online |
| 11:48.05 | c0ffee | gentoo will sooner or later integrate it in their standard kernel |
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| 12:23.56 | Tu13es | anyone know where I can download the OS 2006 firmware? |
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| 12:38.27 | konttori | from nokia n800 support page |
| 12:39.09 | konttori | http://europe.nokia.com/link?cid=PLAIN_TEXT_7185 |
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| 12:47.33 | MDK | what do you need the custom kernel/fb for? |
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| 12:54.40 | jani | anyone with 770 in handy ? Could someone provide me any file generated in notes which has some formatting and space characters .. |
| 13:00.28 | Tu13es | anyone know if there's any way to sync an n770 and google calendar in any way? |
| 13:00.40 | Tu13es | or, does anyone know of a better calendar app than gpe-calendar? |
| 13:06.44 | melmoth | i have been told 'dates' does it... |
| 13:06.46 | melmoth | but i never try |
| 13:07.35 | gregul | ffffff |
| 13:07.43 | gregul | this is interesting http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7198 |
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| 13:11.27 | rebroad | hi, is it possible to rotate my whole desktop 180º pleaae? |
| 13:12.23 | gregul | rebroad:you can turn the whole n800/770 180deg |
| 13:12.24 | gregul | ;-] |
| 13:12.41 | eugene | hey dudes |
| 13:13.05 | gregul | rebroad:i do not think the X11 server has the features yet |
| 13:13.49 | melmoth | hola eugene |
| 13:13.56 | rebroad | yes, i'd prefer to hold my n800 with the bulge at the bottom |
| 13:14.08 | eugene | melmoth: brother. here i am, going online secretly :) |
| 13:14.58 | gregul | rebroad:no, this not possible with the current version |
| 13:16.13 | mgedmin | speaking of which, the nokia virtual keybord doesn't have a degree sign in it |
| 13:16.16 | mgedmin | surprised me |
| 13:16.33 | rebroad | if i was willing to patch the xserver myself (assuming it's possible), how easy would it be to share with others and remain compatible with other nokia supplied software please? |
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| 13:17.06 | zuh | Depends how much you modify the xserver |
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| 13:17.21 | rebroad | i'm using the builtin keyboard - quite slow to type! |
| 13:18.49 | zuh | I built a xserver with composite extension enabled and kulve has it in his debian repo, so all one has to do is to add the repo and then install some program that depends on that particular version (in this case xcompmgr) to upgrade the X (and naturally reboot :) |
| 13:19.04 | rebroad | shame the dev env needs linux... i have xp as my main os on the desktop . |
| 13:19.04 | zuh | I haven't seen anything break because of that |
| 13:19.27 | gregul | rebroad: there are a few vmware-player images around |
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| 13:19.59 | rebroad | gregul, ah, that'd help |
| 13:20.39 | gregul | http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 13:20.53 | rebroad | ruh, what's the composite extension needed for please? |
| 13:21.22 | Tu13es | anyone know why I can't add m3u playlists to audio player? |
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| 13:22.02 | cfh | hi all |
| 13:22.14 | Jaffa | rebroad: funky drop-shadows, fade effects etc. |
| 13:22.26 | Jaffa | zuh: what's the performance like without being able to use the PowerVR? |
| 13:22.38 | Jaffa | Some eye candy would really help sell the N800 |
| 13:22.51 | rebroad | anyone here managed to get orb working with the builtin mediaplayer? |
| 13:23.27 | cfh | i have bought a bt keyborad but my n800 dont recognized it (it said : no category ) what can i do ? |
| 13:24.12 | cfh | the kb is like this http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320122416044 |
| 13:24.55 | rebroad | thanks gregul , zuh for the replies |
| 13:25.31 | zuh | Jaffa: Performance of which, xcompanager or the server in general? |
| 13:25.51 | zuh | xcompmanager is not too fast, fade-in is only possible with small windows |
| 13:25.57 | melmoth | cfh try http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/ ? |
| 13:26.28 | Jaffa | zuh: xcompmgr/composite in general |
| 13:26.33 | zuh | Jaffa: The shadows don't seem to make a big difference though |
| 13:26.42 | cfh | melmoth : ok thank youu |
| 13:26.42 | gregul | zuh:do you know if the gfx chipset is upto alpha channels and the like? |
| 13:26.42 | Jaffa | zuh: that's quite cool, then. |
| 13:26.57 | Jaffa | cfh: without looking it *may* not be HID-compatible. Look for "kbdd" |
| 13:27.39 | zuh | Jaffa: I made this little tester app that collects open windows in a grid, it seems to be able to update the contents of those real-time |
| 13:28.03 | zuh | Jaffa: But other than that, I haven't really done any real profiling |
| 13:28.03 | cfh | jaffa ok in fact my kb is not HID compatibile but is a generic kb |
| 13:28.14 | Jaffa | zuh: exposé like? |
| 13:28.29 | zuh | Jaffa: Far from it, but kind of... :) |
| 13:28.31 | rebroad | i never really understood why one would want an external keyboard for the n800/770. i mean, surely it'd just be better to buy a device that had one included |
| 13:28.33 | cfh | do you know where is the maemo map HID list v? |
| 13:28.54 | gla55_ | rebroad: there is no maemo device with built in kb |
| 13:29.07 | Jaffa | rebroad: what device is the same size shape and runs Linux? netBook Pro was best option but the Linux one was never properly available and cost a fortune. Asus Eee PC looks very interesting, though. |
| 13:30.41 | zuh | gregul: There is no chip to use at this point, only thing resebling graphics chip there is the LCD controller and that only does some scaling and color conversion AFAIK. The 3D chip *might* help in composting or then not. I don't really know about it and no drivers available so it's a bit moot point... |
| 13:32.50 | gregul | zuh:interesting, thanks |
| 13:36.57 | jani | that chip was briefly mentioned in the maemo-devel list this/last week |
| 13:38.34 | jani | it said that there is a 3d chip in the device but there are no drivers for it. (and i think it also mentioned or atleast, thats how i understood that actually there is drivers but not for 2.4/2.6 kernels and manufacturer of the chip is not interested in porting and/or they are not oss) |
| 13:39.38 | gregul | jani:drag, i imagine that chip could give the n800 some nice bling |
| 13:41.01 | eugene | melmoth: have you tried to cross-compile armv6 apps on i386? |
| 13:41.17 | melmoth | yes |
| 13:41.25 | melmoth | well, the other way around |
| 13:41.38 | eugene | melmoth: explain :) |
| 13:41.39 | jani | gregul: well, there was also some discussion about that. |
| 13:41.47 | jani | i'll paste the stuff i find it. |
| 13:42.01 | melmoth | well , the regular porting stuff. Taking the source, and compiling it on scratxhbox under the arm target |
| 13:42.02 | eugene | melmoth: saw your mail, thanks so much :) |
| 13:42.10 | eugene | ah ok. |
| 13:42.50 | melmoth | was it not the kind of compilation you were thinking about ? |
| 13:43.09 | jani | Well the problem is in pushing full frames from internal framebuffer in |
| 13:43.10 | jani | SRAM to external memory on video chip. This means you won't have best |
| 13:43.11 | jani | framerate when doing fullscreen updates in 800x480. |
| 13:43.22 | eugene | thats what i'm talking about |
| 13:43.40 | melmoth | ok :) |
| 13:43.43 | jani | that because of bus and memory bandwidth |
| 13:44.18 | melmoth | It usually worked smoothly. I compile stuff for arm usually only once everything works fine in the x86 target |
| 13:44.37 | eugene | melmoth: i'm trying it out now |
| 13:52.22 | zuh | jani: It's not only said, there *is* a 3D chip on the device ;) Comes with the package, costs extra to get licence for the drivers. Dunno about how it actually goes hardware/memory wise though, IIRC the whole board is targeted for 640x480 anyway, which I guess is part of the problem for N800... |
| 13:53.36 | jani | zuh: yes. |
| 13:53.59 | jani | i know, i read the thread =) |
| 13:54.09 | N800 | so 800x480 no 3D or 640x480 3D? |
| 13:54.27 | jani | any mode , no 3d =) |
| 13:54.40 | N800 | because of licensing |
| 13:55.47 | N800 | what if the license part of the problem gets handled...how would 3D work then? |
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| 14:51.08 | KaylaKaze | is there a way to edit your app menu? |
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| 14:53.15 | melmoth | KaylaKaze, http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_new_application_bora.html |
| 14:53.27 | melmoth | see the 'Adding Application To Menu' section |
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| 15:16.16 | NeoRex | Can the Nokia 770 's RAM be upgraded? How? Soldering involved? |
| 15:17.28 | `0660 | who would do that? |
| 15:17.52 | Fatal | people |
| 15:17.56 | `0660 | oh |
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| 15:52.36 | bstock | what od i have to do to get openvpn running on 2006.3? i've tried following the directions on the application catalog here: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationCatalog2006 |
| 15:52.55 | bstock | but it give me invalid installation package |
| 15:54.13 | bstock | nm, looks like installing from command line fixed it |
| 15:59.27 | Xenon3DN | bstock: I've had packages (smbfs) that refused to install from app manager, but worked from command line. Don't understand why yet. |
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| 16:02.47 | Spec | so...i've installed xterm onto my nokia 770, and bash....i was wondering how to get xterm to default to bash instead of busybox, is it possible? |
| 16:04.26 | joshin | chsh? |
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| 16:13.07 | KaylaKaze | Well, that page didn't help at all when it comes to editing the app menu |
| 16:13.57 | Xenon3DN | KaylaKaze, did you see my message last night that I got Canola to work with local media files (on the MMC card)? |
| 16:14.26 | KaylaKaze | no, but I think it's supposed to do stuff on MMC easily, isn't it? |
| 16:15.32 | Xenon3DN | Seems to work with anything in the local FS, if you configure it right. Can't seem to get it to see my smbfs shared files though. Nice UI though. |
| 16:15.40 | KaylaKaze | that Fuppes crashes to much to be useful :-( |
| 16:15.56 | Xenon3DN | Did you check out SlimServer? |
| 16:16.02 | KaylaKaze | where is it's config files? I was looking for them but only found dbs |
| 16:16.24 | Xenon3DN | I haven't figured that out yet either. |
| 16:17.57 | KaylaKaze | well, how do you configure it locally? if I can do that, I should be able to get it to do share |
| 16:18.16 | KaylaKaze | though mplayer does shares no problem except mplayer is cmdline interfadcew |
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| 16:19.26 | Andy80_ | hi |
| 16:19.37 | KaylaKaze | I need to find a good upnp server. SimpleCenter alphabetizes everything which sucks |
| 16:19.59 | KaylaKaze | If it didn't do that, it'd be good |
| 16:20.24 | KaylaKaze | appart from deleting everythign from my c:\ on installation, that is |
| 16:20.25 | Spec | so is it worth upgrading from 2006 to 2007? |
| 16:20.34 | Andy80_ | KaylaKaze: to use with media streamer client? |
| 16:21.02 | Andy80_ | Spec: do you have n770? |
| 16:21.05 | KaylaKaze | or canola |
| 16:21.28 | Andy80_ | KaylaKaze: for win or linux? |
| 16:21.32 | Spec | Andy80_: yes |
| 16:22.25 | KaylaKaze | win |
| 16:22.37 | Andy80_ | Spec: me too, and I use os2006, the 2007 is not supported officially and could be unstble |
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| 16:22.55 | Spec | but the 2007 release has spider solitaire... :p |
| 16:22.55 | Xenon3DN | Kayla: SimpleCenter == SlimServer? |
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| 16:23.11 | KaylaKaze | no. slimserver doesn't seem to do vide |
| 16:23.14 | KaylaKaze | video |
| 16:23.19 | Andy80_ | Spec: .... :) |
| 16:24.13 | KaylaKaze | on the fly downsampling of video would be a nice feature :-) |
| 16:24.34 | Andy80_ | the only reason I could upgrade to 2007 is to use skype.... if it will run on it off course |
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| 16:26.49 | Xenon3DN | Ahh. Ok. Too bad on SlimServer. |
| 16:28.29 | chrissturm | is there a nice podcast client for maemo? something like democracy would be great |
| 16:29.04 | Xenon3DN | Looks like Canola does podcasts, but I'm not a pod person, so I can't comment on the usability of it. |
| 16:29.29 | Spec | Andy80_: it's possible for me to cross compile aiseriot(spider solitaire) and repackage it for os06, right? |
| 16:31.22 | Andy80_ | Spec: I think yes... why not? |
| 16:33.23 | Xenon3DN | Anyone know how to contact "k-s" off-IRC? I think he's involved in Canola, and I need to pick his brains about Canola's config and database files. |
| 16:35.13 | KaylaKaze | I have canola allegedly scanning my mounted directories now |
| 16:35.25 | Xenon3DN | Is it taking a long time? |
| 16:35.31 | KaylaKaze | yeah |
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| 16:36.07 | KaylaKaze | but it would take a long time on my pc accessing them locally... the thing is it doesn't look like my hd is being accessed |
| 16:36.14 | Xenon3DN | Hmm. Mine just "blipped" and finished, which makes me think it didn't succeed. I wonder if it's an ownership issue with the mounted share or something? Canola ought to be able to read it. File Manager can. |
| 16:36.29 | KaylaKaze | oh, it says it finished |
| 16:36.36 | Xenon3DN | Interested to see if it worked. |
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| 16:37.04 | KaylaKaze | nope |
| 16:37.24 | Xenon3DN | :( |
| 16:37.28 | KaylaKaze | I think it's broken |
| 16:37.34 | Xenon3DN | It's soooooo close though. |
| 16:38.54 | KaylaKaze | just use mplayer |
| 16:39.42 | Xenon3DN | Icky UI though. I want something that is usable by n00bs. |
| 16:40.47 | KaylaKaze | go to xterm, type mplayer -playlist "/home/user/MyDocs/mp3s/<playlist stuff>" & and it'll go fine |
| 16:40.57 | KaylaKaze | pr dont' use & |
| 16:41.18 | KaylaKaze | 'cause if that works, you won't be able to control it |
| 16:42.47 | Xenon3DN | Eh, I'll just keep hacking on Canola. Like you, I'd like to get a nice UPnP server set up eventually, to run nice rich clients like that. |
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| 16:44.44 | KaylaKaze | mplayer gave me this message on a video file "Your system is too SLOW to play this!" |
| 16:45.00 | Xenon3DN | Biiiiig ;) |
| 16:45.19 | Xenon3DN | Not pulling punches it is. No sugar coating. |
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| 16:47.04 | KaylaKaze | the sound for the video will play |
| 16:47.33 | Spec | so if i want a program to work on the n770/maemo i just cross-compile for arm architecture? |
| 16:48.12 | pupnik | yes, in a maemo environment |
| 16:48.27 | pupnik | see the scratchbox howto |
| 16:49.06 | Spec | from scratchbox.org or from maemo.org? |
| 16:49.36 | Spec | and how do i know if i'm usiming maemo2.x or 3.x? |
| 16:50.10 | KaylaKaze | grrr I can't get mplayer to shut down completely |
| 16:50.24 | Xenon3DN | I had that problem too, Kayla. |
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| 16:50.53 | pupnik | Spec, for a 770 you want 2.2 iirc |
| 16:50.54 | KaylaKaze | I'm sending it kill -15s and I killed most of it's threads but one is still hanging on |
| 16:51.08 | Xenon3DN | Why not kill -9? |
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| 16:52.08 | pupnik | spec, oh scratchbox - nm |
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| 16:54.12 | pupnik | here scratchbox 1.0.7 |
| 16:54.19 | Spec | scratcbox = maemo sdk? |
| 16:54.31 | Spec | i'm reading the maemo_2.2_tutorial now |
| 16:54.35 | pupnik | basically it is yeah |
| 16:54.51 | Spec | 'k, i'll keep reading this inbetween working |
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| 16:57.56 | pupnik | maemo 3.0 -> OS2007/bora -> nokia 800 |
| 16:58.07 | pupnik | somebody stop me if i'm saying something wrong |
| 16:58.11 | Tu13es | any of you recommend a specific screen protector for the n800? |
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| 17:04.19 | Spec | scratchbox is the cross-compilation toolkit/chains, what's maemo SDK? for gui apps? |
| 17:08.13 | mgedmin | a set of libraries for compiling apps for maemo |
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| 17:08.47 | ttuttle | Hey. |
| 17:09.25 | ttuttle | Is it possible to create new input methods for the N770 and set them up in a way that adds them to the Input Method list alongside the standard ones? |
| 17:09.30 | Spec | if i wanted an app to run on my n770, in bash, does it need maemo libraries? |
| 17:12.03 | melmoth | not necessarily |
| 17:12.27 | melmoth | but you want the hildon lib to make it looks nice |
| 17:12.44 | Spec | look nice? it's a terminal app |
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| 17:13.05 | pupnik | if you mean a compiled C program, you compile it in scratchbox |
| 17:13.14 | Spec | 'da |
| 17:13.15 | melmoth | if it just print stuff to stdout you dont need libosso. |
| 17:13.36 | Spec | 'k, libosso = maemo lib? |
| 17:13.42 | melmoth | one of them. |
| 17:14.10 | melmoth | you have the osso stuff wich is about.. heu , like a dbus stuff , communication between process |
| 17:14.35 | pupnik | you have to build in the maemo environment, so your program will be linked to the maemo versions of curses, libc whatever |
| 17:14.36 | melmoth | and hildon, wich is the gui, so hildon is needed to have the same look and feel than other app, or so i guess |
| 17:15.15 | pupnik | yep. |
| 17:15.37 | pupnik | but most terminal apps will compile out of the box |
| 17:15.52 | ttuttle | pupnik: Is there a compiler on the N770? |
| 17:15.58 | ttuttle | pupnik: And can I get one? |
| 17:16.14 | KaylaKaze | no gcc that I saw |
| 17:16.17 | Xenon3DN | Yikes. THat would be SLOW. |
| 17:16.24 | KaylaKaze | just use python |
| 17:16.36 | pupnik | someone posted mentioning he had a gcc on it, but that's not recommended |
| 17:16.37 | ttuttle | Xenon3DN: Oh, it's 250 MHz. I've used Gentoo, which compiles everything, on a 333 MHz box with only 128 MB of RAM. |
| 17:16.48 | ttuttle | pupnik: It's just for playing. |
| 17:17.30 | Xenon3DN | ttuttle: You don't deny it would be SLOW, however. |
| 17:17.35 | pupnik | performance is somewhat equivalent to a pentium 75 mhz |
| 17:17.47 | ttuttle | pupnik: Really? I thought ARM was faster. |
| 17:18.15 | Spec | and what exactly is sbrsh for? :p |
| 17:18.38 | ttuttle | pupnik: Oh, and do you know any general ways to speed up the N770? |
| 17:18.46 | pupnik | it uses the 770 cpu to compile the arm code. use qemu instead |
| 17:19.02 | florian | Spec: execution of binaries from scratchbox on a real device |
| 17:19.20 | Spec | over the tubes? |
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| 17:19.47 | pupnik | what florian said - i think it executes them on it too - when you run your compiled app |
| 17:19.50 | Dr_Nunim | We need some better homepage applets. |
| 17:20.37 | pupnik | we all want different things. I want a fast SNES emulator :P |
| 17:20.56 | ericz | i'd love snes9x :P |
| 17:20.58 | Dr_Nunim | Good luck with that :p |
| 17:20.59 | KaylaKaze | I want a Fire Emblem type game |
| 17:21.01 | Dr_Nunim | Not enough CPU |
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| 17:21.18 | Spec | it can emulate GB, right? |
| 17:21.35 | ericz | seriously though, i want netcat/sendip/telnet, i can't believe there's no port for os2006 |
| 17:21.42 | pupnik | i compiled snes9x if you want to try it |
| 17:21.46 | KaylaKaze | well, I have a GBA. I want one designed for it that uses the touchscreen and has online multiplayer |
| 17:21.55 | pupnik | runs chrono trigger without sound at about 5 fps |
| 17:21.58 | KaylaKaze | ericz: there is |
| 17:22.02 | ericz | where? |
| 17:22.13 | Spec | 5 whole fps? that's good enough |
| 17:22.45 | pupnik | DrPocketSnes would be about three times as fast, with sound |
| 17:23.01 | ||cw | has anyone tried to get a replacement cover the 770? |
| 17:23.13 | KaylaKaze | trying to find where I saw it |
| 17:23.20 | ttuttle | What exactly is the "maemo 3.x Bora SDK Repository"? |
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| 17:23.24 | KaylaKaze | telnet anyway. Had somne other networking tools too. |
| 17:23.46 | unique311 | anybody going to see transformers tonight or already did? |
| 17:23.56 | melmoth | KaylaKaze, have a look here http://pygame.org/projects/22/184/ |
| 17:24.20 | melmoth | with some slight modification (screen size as far as i remember) it works on the tablet. |
| 17:24.21 | Spec | unique311: should i? |
| 17:24.24 | pupnik | not me... did you hear that the movie features a Nokia 770 unique311 ? |
| 17:24.31 | Dr_Nunim | Already saw it. |
| 17:24.31 | unique311 | yes |
| 17:24.43 | unique311 | how was it nunim |
| 17:24.44 | Spec | the movie has a 770 in it? |
| 17:24.46 | Dr_Nunim | Decent. |
| 17:24.49 | unique311 | overhype |
| 17:24.51 | Dr_Nunim | Worth seeing. |
| 17:24.54 | KaylaKaze | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/busybox/ |
| 17:24.56 | Dr_Nunim | but not like OMG TRANSFORMERS OMG MOMG |
| 17:25.14 | Spec | Dr_Nunim: i was plannin on seeing it on the basis that it failed |
| 17:25.17 | unique311 | well to people who grew up seeing the cartoon.. |
| 17:25.22 | Spec | if it's "decent", that's even more of a reason to watch it. |
| 17:25.29 | unique311 | probably is oMGGG |
| 17:25.42 | ericz | KaylaKaze, the homepage link is 404 and there's no install file |
| 17:25.45 | Dr_Nunim | I grew up watching the cartoon. |
| 17:25.49 | unique311 | OK |
| 17:25.50 | Dr_Nunim | I only wish they used the same voice actors. |
| 17:25.51 | unique311 | SAME HERE |
| 17:25.54 | Dr_Nunim | That would have been, wow. |
| 17:26.01 | ttuttle | What is "Maemo" itself? Is it the OS running on the tablet, or the SDK? |
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| 17:26.16 | Spec | ttuttle: from what i gathered, it's the OS on the tablet |
| 17:26.17 | unique311 | optimist prime is the first thing i remember drawing. |
| 17:26.22 | unique311 | new voices? |
| 17:26.33 | melmoth | KaylaKaze, http://themanaworld.org/ is also easily compiled for the n800, and the size screen is easy to change as well |
| 17:26.36 | Spec | are the voices close to original? |
| 17:26.40 | melmoth | big problem is... the keyboard |
| 17:26.46 | Dr_Nunim | No, very different. |
| 17:26.48 | unique311 | so bumble bee don't sound like bumbebee |
| 17:26.53 | Dr_Nunim | Nope. |
| 17:26.54 | unique311 | startscream |
| 17:27.00 | unique311 | thats not good |
| 17:27.05 | Dr_Nunim | They don't really talk that much |
| 17:27.08 | Dr_Nunim | You'll see. |
| 17:27.08 | KaylaKaze | http://maemo.lancode.de/?path=./binarys&PHPSESSID=135fe96d744c5c99b1770187705da7b6 has telnet |
| 17:27.22 | Spec | why would you want telnet? :p |
| 17:27.26 | Dr_Nunim | There was a large amount of product placement too. |
| 17:27.33 | ericz | Spec, i want something i can port knock with |
| 17:27.38 | Spec | Dr_Nunim: can you name some? |
| 17:27.45 | Spec | i thought you used ping to port knock? |
| 17:27.51 | Dr_Nunim | GMC, Mountain Dew, Pontiac, Camaro, among others. |
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| 17:27.58 | ericz | you can't ping a specific port, can you |
| 17:28.28 | unique311 | 770 |
| 17:29.08 | Dr_Nunim | I didn't even see the 770. |
| 17:29.13 | Spec | you could just 'echo moo' > /dev/tcp/$HOST/$PORT |
| 17:29.14 | unique311 | the only reason the 770 is getting so much movie time...is because the N800 wasn't out when those movies were being made |
| 17:29.25 | ttuttle | unique311: ...and 'cause the N770 is cooler! ;-) |
| 17:29.30 | _Shurik_ | ping a specific port? |
| 17:29.39 | _Shurik_ | I didn't know icmp had a port |
| 17:29.48 | unique311 | next year is probably the year the N800 gets movie time |
| 17:29.49 | ericz | yeah, heh |
| 17:29.52 | Spec | apparantly it doesn't, i'm hallucinating. |
| 17:29.59 | _Shurik_ | telnet port |
| 17:30.04 | _Shurik_ | should do the port test trick |
| 17:30.20 | Spec | _Shurik_: the problem is lack of telnet |
| 17:30.54 | ericz | i just installed the port of telnet KaylaKaze linked, about to test it |
| 17:31.07 | ttuttle | Has anyone integrated the upgrades between Maemo 3.0 and 3.1 into the Hacker Edition? |
| 17:31.19 | KaylaKaze | TMNT ANT Transformers at the same time! WTF!? |
| 17:31.37 | Dr_Nunim | I do remember they mentioned a Nokia and someone said it was made in Japan. |
| 17:31.41 | Dr_Nunim | And I was like WHAT! |
| 17:32.05 | ericz | ooh, it worked, thanks KaylaKaze |
| 17:32.17 | _Shurik_ | I'd think that iPhone would be a next thing in the movies |
| 17:32.28 | Dr_Nunim | It will |
| 17:32.29 | Dr_Nunim | Next year. |
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| 17:32.34 | _Shurik_ | yep |
| 17:32.39 | Spec | sure thing |
| 17:32.54 | _Shurik_ | I wanna see "hackers" get into pentagon by tilting iPhone the right way |
| 17:33.01 | unique311 | 770 is cooler...lol |
| 17:33.02 | unique311 | ok |
| 17:33.07 | Dr_Nunim | lol |
| 17:33.07 | unique311 | to 770 owners... |
| 17:33.23 | Spec | you have to tilt the iPhone the correct way to hack into pentagon? |
| 17:33.31 | Dr_Nunim | Obviously |
| 17:33.33 | ttuttle | Is there any development -- official or third-party -- taking place on the Hacker Edition OS for the 770? |
| 17:33.34 | _Shurik_ | and bump it a bit |
| 17:33.34 | Spec | it can't just hack the pentagon sitting flat on a desk? :-/ |
| 17:33.48 | Dr_Nunim | No, you have to tilt it to open ultra secret dev mode. |
| 17:33.51 | unique311 | good hack movie.. |
| 17:33.57 | unique311 | live to die hard.. |
| 17:34.02 | unique311 | not the best... |
| 17:34.08 | Dr_Nunim | Live Free or Die Hard? |
| 17:34.18 | unique311 | same difference |
| 17:34.22 | Tu13es | Jaffa? |
| 17:34.22 | _Shurik_ | yes, the movie about viagra overdose |
| 17:34.28 | unique311 | i could've said die hard 4 |
| 17:34.39 | Dr_Nunim | It's got that dude from Waiting. |
| 17:34.48 | KaylaKaze | I wouldn't mind a good Rogue-like game on 770... |
| 17:35.19 | _Shurik_ | somebody mentioned that it would be nice to have supaplex on n800 |
| 17:36.02 | _Shurik_ | It's probably so much easier to play on it with a bt keyboard. IT just don't have an action inclined buttons |
| 17:36.19 | _Shurik_ | "Press I then O to fire your weapon" |
| 17:36.29 | ttuttle | _Shurik_: ROTFLMFAO! |
| 17:36.44 | Spec | does the laser/bluetooth wireless keyboard from thinkgeek work with the 770? |
| 17:36.58 | ttuttle | Is it better to run Hacker Edition of 2007 or the latest 2006? Are they still maintaining 2006 a little? |
| 17:36.59 | Dr_Nunim | Oh that virtual laser thing? |
| 17:37.03 | Dr_Nunim | It looks so neat. |
| 17:37.14 | gla55_ | Spec: it's just hid isn't it? it should work |
| 17:37.20 | KaylaKaze | they need some screenshots on the supaplex page |
| 17:37.22 | _Shurik_ | I heard it's not very reliable... but does look neat |
| 17:37.32 | ttuttle | Is anyone here involved in Maemo development? |
| 17:37.34 | _Shurik_ | (laser keyboard) |
| 17:37.42 | Tu13es | am I the only one that thinks the laser keyboard would suck? |
| 17:37.52 | ttuttle | Tu13es: no |
| 17:37.54 | gla55_ | Tu13es: nope |
| 17:37.55 | Spec | Tu13es: it's up in the air |
| 17:37.57 | Tu13es | good |
| 17:37.57 | Spec | i'm curious :p |
| 17:38.00 | gla55_ | Tu13es: no tactile feedback.. |
| 17:38.06 | Spec | i dont' think it'd be that great - try typing on the desk in front of you w/o keyboard |
| 17:38.06 | Dr_Nunim | but... |
| 17:38.08 | _Shurik_ | just like iPhone |
| 17:38.09 | Dr_Nunim | it looks neat! |
| 17:38.16 | Spec | but it looks so neat :p |
| 17:38.21 | Tu13es | looks neat, but keyboards are about functionality |
| 17:38.23 | gla55_ | it's a neat toy |
| 17:38.33 | Dr_Nunim | If I turn that thing on a plane everyone would be like, HES GOT A BOMB! |
| 17:38.35 | Spec | it's a neat expensive toy, more expensive than my 770 was i think |
| 17:38.39 | _Shurik_ | I'd rather have a hard clamshell/bt keyboard combo |
| 17:38.42 | gla55_ | like. if it was built in a device, then, sure, it would be a nice thing to have from time to time |
| 17:38.49 | _Shurik_ | that I would buy instantly |
| 17:38.52 | Spec | if it was builtin, that would be the best |
| 17:39.43 | _Shurik_ | yeah |
| 17:39.45 | Spec | so how do i know what toolchain i want to install in debian? |
| 17:39.53 | _Shurik_ | iit probably will be for the next model |
| 17:40.39 | ttuttle | Is there anything newer than the 2007 Hacker Edition that I can install on my 770? |
| 17:40.45 | Spec | scratchbox-toolchain-arm-linux-2006q1-6 ... 2006q3-27 ... cs344-2.3 ....... ct401-2.3? |
| 17:41.04 | _Shurik_ | Yes, the 2007 Doorstop edition |
| 17:41.14 | ttuttle | _Shurik_: Shut up! |
| 17:41.21 | _Shurik_ | sorry :)) |
| 17:41.23 | Tu13es | anyone know why I'm getting "Cannot execute binary file" when upgrading my n800 in OS X? |
| 17:41.45 | _Shurik_ | My friend has 770, just sux that they dropped support for it. Still a good platform |
| 17:42.29 | ttuttle | _Shurik_: Yeah, but is anyone outside of Nokia maintaining it? |
| 17:42.39 | _Shurik_ | not that I heard :( |
| 17:42.47 | pupnik | Spec one moment |
| 17:42.52 | _Shurik_ | see internettablettalk.com for all the last stuff on 770 |
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| 17:43.09 | _Shurik_ | but I heard that Hackers edition is the last thing out there |
| 17:43.37 | ttuttle | _Shurik_: What are Sardine and Herring then? |
| 17:43.56 | ttuttle | _Shurik_: maemo.org says they're for the 770. |
| 17:44.06 | _Shurik_ | honestly, I don't know then... I might be misinforming you |
| 17:44.26 | _Shurik_ | but then again it could be just a canned fish talk |
| 17:44.32 | ttuttle | _Shurik_: This looks promising, but I have a nagging feeling that the page is just out of date. |
| 17:44.53 | _Shurik_ | btw, what is stopping you from going n800? Did you just get 770 recently? |
| 17:45.14 | pupnik | Spec i have cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm here - might be outdated |
| 17:45.25 | ttuttle | _Shurik_: woot.com had the 770 for $130. |
| 17:45.29 | _Shurik_ | 770 is great for reading as I hear. Might as well keep it for that, and get n800 for latest stuff :) |
| 17:45.35 | Spec | ttuttle: that's where i got mine |
| 17:45.37 | _Shurik_ | ah okay, so you just got it |
| 17:45.39 | _Shurik_ | got ya |
| 17:45.45 | pupnik | Spec and cpu transparency qemu-arm-0.8.1-sb2 |
| 17:45.50 | Dr_Nunim | I don't see the point to upgrade to n800. |
| 17:45.53 | Spec | qemu-arm? |
| 17:45.55 | Dr_Nunim | Why not just wait until the n900? |
| 17:45.58 | Spec | pupnik: cpu transparency? |
| 17:46.15 | _Shurik_ | Dr_Nunim: might as well |
| 17:46.23 | Spec | pupnik: scratchbox-devkit-cputransp? |
| 17:46.26 | pupnik | yeah... you can run native N770 apps on your pc using cpu transparency |
| 17:46.29 | Dr_Nunim | n800 is like the second generation ipod, sure it's good but is it really worth upgrading? |
| 17:46.33 | _Shurik_ | but it might be 990 as far as we know |
| 17:46.43 | Spec | pupnik: oh, i dont' have X/i don't want to run native n770 apps on my pc |
| 17:46.58 | pupnik | right, but i just followed the instructions and that's what i have |
| 17:47.00 | Spec | n800 looked sleek and nice, but i like my (new) 770 |
| 17:47.06 | Spec | pupnik: heh, k ;) |
| 17:47.14 | pupnik | i'm keeping my 770 |
| 17:47.15 | Dr_Nunim | I think the 770 is better cosmetically. |
| 17:47.16 | _Shurik_ | yeah, n800 is definitely a mid-experiment |
| 17:47.35 | _Shurik_ | I hope they will make something new that's much better in all aspects |
| 17:47.46 | _Shurik_ | and damn, get it a 600+ mHz cpu already |
| 17:47.46 | Dr_Nunim | That's what we'll all upgrade too. |
| 17:47.55 | Dr_Nunim | Maybe it'll have first party support too :p |
| 17:48.09 | _Shurik_ | who knows |
| 17:48.19 | pupnik | battery life is pretty key. the arm cpus are great for that |
| 17:48.30 | Spec | what about using a geode? |
| 17:48.40 | Dr_Nunim | Expensive. |
| 17:48.48 | _Shurik_ | basically, if it will have a screen that can be visible in direct sunlight, faster CPU and a wimax or a sort... who needs cell phone??? |
| 17:48.49 | Spec | but leet. |
| 17:48.49 | gla55_ | pepperpads use geode iirc |
| 17:49.03 | Spec | OLPC uses geodes |
| 17:49.06 | Dr_Nunim | Aren't pepper pad around 1000? |
| 17:49.13 | pupnik | I agree, a dual mode screen that could use reflected light would be sweet |
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| 17:49.19 | gla55_ | Dr_Nunim: ~500 if you find a good sale |
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| 17:49.36 | Dr_Nunim | I don't like the Pepper Pad design |
| 17:51.05 | Dr_Nunim | I wouldn't mind having a OQO if they weren't so expensive. |
| 17:52.14 | _Shurik_ | Pepper pad is a size of a frigging laptop |
| 17:52.37 | pupnik | for me the 770 is darn close to perfect. What sucks is being too stupid to code well. |
| 17:53.04 | _Shurik_ | nobody codes well |
| 17:53.34 | pupnik | The guy who did the mplayer port does |
| 17:53.53 | _Shurik_ | I'm pretty sure it has few bugs somewhere |
| 17:54.02 | pupnik | ok you're right |
| 17:54.03 | Spec | this tutorial is really annoying: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_2.2_Tutorial.html |
| 17:54.05 | pupnik | nobody codes well |
| 17:54.23 | _Shurik_ | so my point is... everyone can code well enough, just need to be very methodical about what you do |
| 17:54.27 | Spec | often times it'll say things like: "When you have created both PC and ARMEL targets, you can toggle between them with the following command:" <next section> |
| 17:54.31 | Spec | it leaves lots and lots of blanks |
| 17:54.34 | _Shurik_ | error handling, error handling, error handling |
| 17:55.02 | _Shurik_ | damn |
| 17:55.14 | _Shurik_ | OQO is $1700 |
| 17:55.21 | _Shurik_ | I love my n800 |
| 17:57.20 | suihkulokki | Spec: if you can formulate your griefs to a bugzilla report, they will improve those sections for the next version |
| 17:59.58 | ttuttle | _Shurik_: Yeah. I've used an OQO, and the N770 is more fun ;-) |
| 18:00.10 | KaylaKaze | Spec: Use "View Source" there are lots of HTML coding errors on the page |
| 18:00.11 | _Shurik_ | still looks good! |
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| 18:00.34 | _Shurik_ | brb |
| 18:00.48 | Dr_Nunim | hrm |
| 18:00.54 | Dr_Nunim | why doesn't the linux flasher like me |
| 18:01.40 | b^j | i'm having some problems with bluetooth networking on my n770, is this the appropriate place to ask questions? |
| 18:01.43 | Spec | yeap, source looks much better |
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| 18:04.04 | pupnik | yes b^j |
| 18:04.38 | pupnik | the maemo-users and maemo-developers mailing list archives are also good |
| 18:05.53 | Dr_Nunim | on the 770 I should be using flasher-2.0 right? |
| 18:06.08 | pupnik | y |
| 18:06.10 | pupnik | yes |
| 18:07.03 | b^j | cool, i just got my n770 and i have not been able to get it to work with my phone (stupid windows mobile 6 switched to use PAN instead of DUN). I got PAN working to connect to my laptop but i can't get it to work with my phone. The bluetooth connection drops after a few seconds. |
| 18:07.15 | b^j | any ideas? |
| 18:08.19 | b^j | that is, my laptop can connect to the phone, my n770 can connect to the laptop, but the n770 won't maintain a connection to the phone |
| 18:09.12 | pupnik | no, and getting results for a search on your phone + 770 might be hard |
| 18:09.23 | pupnik | since there are many phones, and not so many 770 users |
| 18:09.50 | b^j | pupnik, yeah, that has been my issue with finding help on this |
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| 18:10.00 | KaylaKaze | They probably sold more 770s in the last week than in the entire history of the device |
| 18:10.06 | b^j | hehe |
| 18:10.11 | b^j | good old woot |
| 18:10.19 | Dr_Nunim | Woot sold 8000 |
| 18:10.25 | KaylaKaze | and buy.com |
| 18:10.32 | Dr_Nunim | I think buy sold something like 1/2 that. |
| 18:10.43 | b^j | i gotta say, so far i love the device, if i could just get it to connect to my phone it would be perfect |
| 18:11.05 | b^j | there seems to be a real good developer community for it |
| 18:11.06 | Dr_Nunim | I always thought buy.com was like a scam |
| 18:11.09 | Dr_Nunim | I mean comon, it's called Buy.com |
| 18:11.13 | KaylaKaze | I'll love mine more when I get more memory and hopefully then it won't crash all the time |
| 18:11.34 | pupnik | b^j: maybe it would help diagnosis if you ping the device continuously once it is connected |
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| 18:12.33 | b^j | pupnik, good idea, i will have to look at that, i am fairly newbish as far as bluetooth goes |
| 18:12.36 | ryanfaerman | anyone want an extra n800? |
| 18:12.43 | Dr_Nunim | For free, sure :) |
| 18:12.45 | Spec | ryanfaerman: if i'm forced to, i'l take one |
| 18:12.49 | Dr_Nunim | Hell I'll even pay shipping. |
| 18:12.55 | Dr_Nunim | but remember, you owe me. |
| 18:13.01 | Xenon3DN | How is it "extra"? |
| 18:13.08 | ryanfaerman | argh, i'll brb, my client decided not to display anything |
| 18:13.10 | ryanfaerman | gotta restart it |
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| 18:14.12 | Spec | Dr_Nunim: heh |
| 18:14.16 | ryanfaerman | test |
| 18:14.18 | ryanfaerman | okay, it workes now |
| 18:14.20 | ryanfaerman | what did whoever say to me? |
| 18:14.28 | Spec | ryanfaerman: if i'm forced to, i'll take one |
| 18:14.34 | Spec | (n800) |
| 18:14.48 | Xenon3DN | SO, why are you getting rid of one. |
| 18:14.49 | ryanfaerman | does that forcing include forcing some money from you to me? |
| 18:14.50 | Dr_Nunim | [14:12] <Dr_Nunim> For free, sure :) |
| 18:14.51 | Dr_Nunim | [14:12] <Spec> ryanfaerman: if i'm forced to, i'l take one |
| 18:14.51 | Dr_Nunim | [14:12] <Dr_Nunim> Hell I'll even pay shipping. |
| 18:14.51 | Dr_Nunim | [14:12] <Dr_Nunim> but remember, you owe me. |
| 18:14.51 | Dr_Nunim | [14:13] <Xenon3DN> How is it "extra"? |
| 18:15.02 | Spec | ryanfaerman: like shipping? >:) |
| 18:15.04 | ericz | extra as in just some pieces of one? or extra as in fully operational and working? :p |
| 18:15.05 | ryanfaerman | extra for whoever wants to buy it |
| 18:15.11 | ryanfaerman | totally working |
| 18:15.16 | Dr_Nunim | Where'd you get it? |
| 18:15.18 | ryanfaerman | perfect condition |
| 18:15.20 | Dr_Nunim | StolenStuffRS? |
| 18:15.20 | ryanfaerman | compusa |
| 18:15.23 | ryanfaerman | no. |
| 18:15.24 | Dr_Nunim | Because they have junk there :o |
| 18:15.40 | ryanfaerman | i just don't use it so much |
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| 18:16.05 | ryanfaerman | when i do use it, it is mostly at home |
| 18:16.06 | Okko | hi, is jakub here? |
| 18:16.08 | ryanfaerman | just using it because i can |
| 18:16.25 | pupnik | ~Every n800 is sacred... every n800 is great... If a n800 is wasted, god gets quite irate.~ |
| 18:16.26 | infobot | pupnik: okay |
| 18:16.55 | ryanfaerman | exactly, so i am trying to make it not wasted |
| 18:17.16 | pupnik | no money here sorry |
| 18:17.48 | Dr_Nunim | Well do a trade, I'll give you this box of stuff from Hong Kong for the n800. |
| 18:18.05 | Spec | haha |
| 18:18.08 | ryanfaerman | Dr_Nunim: that is worthless for me |
| 18:18.11 | pupnik | what are they going for? $280? |
| 18:18.19 | Dr_Nunim | HK stuff is pretty fun. |
| 18:18.20 | Spec | i do have money, however, the n770 > n800 |
| 18:18.40 | Spec | i can't use the n770 has a usb host though, can i? |
| 18:18.47 | Spec | ie: connect iPod to n770 |
| 18:18.54 | ttuttle | Is anyone still developing Hacker 2007? I saw a big whiny thread about it on the mailing list from April. |
| 18:20.06 | pupnik | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=186 Spec |
| 18:21.14 | ryanfaerman | so what does a n800 go for, slightly used? |
| 18:21.28 | pupnik | depends on country |
| 18:21.32 | ryanfaerman | US |
| 18:21.41 | pupnik | there's this thing called ebay |
| 18:21.44 | ryanfaerman | i don't care where it goes, but the currency is US dollars |
| 18:22.01 | ryanfaerman | yea.. well shit, literal shit, sells for hundreds |
| 18:22.19 | pupnik | I know. I've gotten burned on a few auctions. |
| 18:22.56 | Spec | pupnik: oh, it looks like it needs rd-mode, which sometimes produces bad things? |
| 18:23.32 | Spec | and the iPod doesn't need power via usb, does it? |
| 18:23.44 | b^j | anyone know a good place to ask bluetooth questions? |
| 18:24.34 | pupnik | i haven't used a n770 with host mode |
| 18:25.02 | b^j | spec, i read that it was possible but i forgot where |
| 18:26.21 | Spec | awesome: http://thoughtfix.blogspot.com/2006/01/no-solder-usb-host-method.html |
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| 18:40.46 | ttuttle | Does anyone know if there are any plans to continue development on Hacker 2007? |
| 18:40.56 | pupnik | it's a community project |
| 18:41.18 | ttuttle | pupnik: How active is it, and how much support from Nokia do we have for fixing bugs in closed parts of the code? |
| 18:41.21 | pupnik | and there's not a lot missing |
| 18:41.36 | pupnik | i don't know |
| 18:41.48 | pupnik | i run 2007 and besides a few glitches it works |
| 18:42.03 | ttuttle | pupnik: I mean, it works fine for me, but I am somewhat angry that Nokia is not supporting the 770 themselves despite the fact that it's still available. |
| 18:42.10 | pupnik | most of the stuff i run i compiled under 2006 |
| 18:42.14 | pupnik | yeah |
| 18:42.20 | ttuttle | pupnik: I get a few reboots a day, but nothing horrible. |
| 18:42.35 | pupnik | still it's not like a windows OS running on millions on machines |
| 18:43.01 | pupnik | there are pretty severe econimic constraints |
| 18:43.04 | ttuttle | pupnik: Oh, can you get Marbles to start? |
| 18:43.08 | pupnik | sire |
| 18:43.15 | ttuttle | pupnik: I can't, for some reason. |
| 18:43.16 | pupnik | ran on 2006 and 2007 |
| 18:43.26 | pupnik | :/ |
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| 18:43.43 | ttuttle | pupnik: Well, it starts, but when I click "Continue" or "Start Game" it flashes for a second and then returns to the "Continue"/"Quit" screen. |
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| 18:46.05 | pupnik | ill try it |
| 18:48.26 | pupnik | game paused menu |
| 18:48.29 | pupnik | interesting |
| 18:49.13 | pupnik | i was just running it with synergy and when i moved the mouse off the screen, it pauses the game |
| 18:49.21 | ttuttle | pupnik: Hmm. |
| 18:49.34 | pupnik | but when i play it normally - tapping on the marbles - it works |
| 18:49.45 | ttuttle | pupnik: Hmm, maybe I need to reinstall it. |
| 18:49.52 | ttuttle | pupnik: Is it in a repo, or only the flash image? |
| 18:50.01 | pupnik | it's in a repo |
| 18:50.09 | ttuttle | pupnik: Oh, Nokia's? |
| 18:50.14 | pupnik | yes |
| 18:50.39 | ttuttle | pupnik: What is it called? |
| 18:51.04 | ttuttle | pupnik: I can't find it in either installed or installable apps. |
| 18:51.24 | pupnik | osso-lmarbles |
| 18:52.00 | ttuttle | All I have is osso-statusbar-cpu and osso-xterm. |
| 18:52.39 | ttuttle | pupnik: Or do I need to use apt-get remove? |
| 18:53.01 | pupnik | can you ssh to the device |
| 18:53.14 | ttuttle | pupnik: Sure. Or I can be root in an xterm. |
| 18:53.29 | pupnik | well i don't have it2006 |
| 18:53.38 | ttuttle | pupnik: Neither do I now. I'm running hacker 2007. |
| 18:53.44 | pupnik | apt-cache search marbles returned that package |
| 18:54.01 | pupnik | #maemo:name extras.maemo.org |
| 18:54.02 | pupnik | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ bora free |
| 18:55.37 | pupnik | maybe your $home/.lmarbles_state is screwed up |
| 18:55.56 | ttuttle | pupnik: Let's hope not. |
| 18:55.57 | guardian | does the n800 have asian fonts installed ? |
| 18:56.49 | ttuttle | pupnik: So what's the repo again? |
| 18:57.05 | pupnik | i don't know actually |
| 18:57.21 | pupnik | apt-cache show and apt-cache policy don't tell me where it's from |
| 18:57.29 | ttuttle | pupnik: apt can't find it to reinstall :-\ |
| 18:58.00 | pupnik | check our sources list - maybe you need extras |
| 18:58.12 | pupnik | cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:58.42 | ttuttle | pupnik: What's the URL for it? |
| 18:58.51 | pupnik | see above |
| 18:58.54 | ttuttle | pupnik: repository.maemo.org/extras? |
| 18:59.00 | ttuttle | pupnik: Yeah I've got that. |
| 18:59.13 | ttuttle | pupnik: I'll refresh the list. |
| 19:00.01 | pupnik | #maemo:name maemo-hackers |
| 19:00.02 | pupnik | deb http://maemo-hackers.org/apt bora main |
| 19:00.13 | pupnik | #maemo:name mg |
| 19:00.14 | pupnik | deb http://mg.pov.lt/770 bora user othe |
| 19:00.19 | pupnik | r |
| 19:00.31 | ttuttle | pupnik: Which of these do I need? |
| 19:00.36 | pupnik | i don't know |
| 19:01.53 | pupnik | http://repository.maemo.org/stable/mistral/maemo-packages--2.0.html |
| 19:02.18 | ttuttle | pupnik: mistral or bora? |
| 19:02.46 | pupnik | based on that i assume it should be in the main maemo.org repository |
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| 19:04.12 | ttuttle | pupnik: Do I need to pull in maemo.org as mistral too? |
| 19:04.16 | pupnik | osso-lmarbles Installed: 1.3.42-0 |
| 19:04.25 | pupnik | i don't have mistral in sources |
| 19:04.29 | ttuttle | pupnik: Okay. |
| 19:05.03 | pupnik | http://pastebin.ca/601823 |
| 19:05.10 | pupnik | there's my sources.list |
| 19:08.48 | ttuttle | pupnik: And you have a source available for osso-lmarbles, but you don't know which one it is? |
| 19:10.37 | pupnik | no, what's the command that shows me the repository for an installed package? |
| 19:10.59 | pupnik | er, "yes, i don't know which one it is" |
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| 19:11.24 | ttuttle | pupnik: I don't know. I don't know if there is any way to do that, or if it even tracks that. |
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| 19:12.04 | ttuttle | pupnik: I'm adding mistral for all the repos and trying to find it. |
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| 19:12.56 | ttuttle | pupnik: Should I have any components other than "free non-free" for Maemo.org repos? |
| 19:13.33 | pupnik | the repo is repository.maemo.org |
| 19:13.45 | pupnik | http://pastebin.ca/601823 |
| 19:14.19 | pupnik | But i'm surprised you don't see it |
| 19:14.47 | pupnik | Nokia-N800-48:~# apt-cache search osso-lmarbles |
| 19:14.48 | pupnik | osso-lmarbles - Osso LMarbles game |
| 19:15.16 | ttuttle | pupnik: I'm trying your sources.list for now. |
| 19:15.36 | ttuttle | pupnik: That's showing up because you have it installed. |
| 19:15.54 | pupnik | mmmaybe |
| 19:15.59 | ttuttle | pupnik: I uninstalled it, and now it can't find where to reinstall it from. |
| 19:16.05 | pupnik | removing |
| 19:16.22 | pupnik | hah you're right :P |
| 19:16.26 | ttuttle | pupnik: Yeah. |
| 19:16.39 | ttuttle | Hey, can anyone here make a deb of osso-lmarbles for me, and, I guess now pupnik? |
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| 19:17.56 | ttuttle | pupnik: Oh, and apt-cache can find it. Not apt-get, though. |
| 19:18.47 | pupnik | ok definitely an IT2007 problem |
| 19:19.10 | ttuttle | pupnik: Can you find the package for IT2006? |
| 19:19.58 | pupnik | Package osso-lmarbles is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 19:19.58 | pupnik | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 19:19.58 | pupnik | is only available from another source |
| 19:19.58 | pupnik | However the following packages replace it: osso-graphics-game-lmarbles |
| 19:19.58 | pupnik | E: Package osso-lmarbles has no installation candidate |
| 19:20.00 | pupnik | so that's borked |
| 19:20.12 | pupnik | qi.ouyang@nokia.com |
| 19:20.18 | pupnik | maintainer |
| 19:20.27 | pupnik | writing him a letter |
| 19:20.30 | nomis | gah. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=170 |
| 19:21.00 | pupnik | ttuttle: can you do the same - might help |
| 19:21.01 | ttuttle | pupnik: okay |
| 19:21.49 | ttuttle | pupnik: What's the opposite of "user" in the last field? |
| 19:21.56 | pupnik | ? |
| 19:22.24 | ttuttle | pupnik: You know how the last field in sources.list has "user", "free", or "non-free" in it sometimes? What is the opposite of "user"? |
| 19:23.08 | ttuttle | pupnik: Wait, do you have osso-graphics-game-lmarbles available? Try installing that. |
| 19:23.18 | ttuttle | Does anyone here have a hacker edition 770 nearby? |
| 19:23.23 | ttuttle | (And xterm skills?) |
| 19:23.49 | Jaffa | Tu13es: you pinged me? |
| 19:23.57 | pupnik | there's no opposite of user |
| 19:24.04 | ttuttle | Jaffa: Do you have any way to make a deb of lmarbles? |
| 19:24.11 | Tu13es | Jaffa: yeah, was wondering if the 770flasher app works with n800 |
| 19:24.16 | Tu13es | i ended up using the cmd line utility, though |
| 19:24.19 | Tu13es | so no worries :) |
| 19:24.25 | pupnik | there must be one online ttuttle - at least for the it2006 |
| 19:24.42 | Jaffa | Tu13es: I belive it does, yes. |
| 19:24.48 | Tu13es | cool |
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| 19:25.03 | Jaffa | ttuttle: I'd suggest http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/ - but I'm biased |
| 19:25.42 | ttuttle | Jaffa: I was wondering if you could build me and pupnik a deb of lmarbles, since we both uninstalled it. |
| 19:25.47 | pupnik | Jaffa, do you need a maemo.org account to get your package added with mud-builder? |
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| 19:28.32 | ttuttle | Jaffa: ...? |
| 19:29.57 | keesj | pupnik: yes |
| 19:30.27 | keesj | ttuttle: I did not follow it all , but I have been quit active with mud |
| 19:30.36 | Jaffa | pupnik: in the sense that you need to add a patch to the patch tracker |
| 19:30.57 | ttuttle | keesj: Follow what? |
| 19:31.02 | Jaffa | Well, to contribute it to the project anyway. You could always keep it to yourself. |
| 19:31.59 | ttuttle | ericz: Hey. |
| 19:32.19 | ericz | ttuttle, hey, how you liking hacker edition? |
| 19:32.31 | ttuttle | ericz: Good, but I accidentally uninstalled lmarbles. |
| 19:32.37 | ericz | haha |
| 19:32.56 | keesj | perhaps we should create a mud debian package? |
| 19:36.31 | pupnik | o(+cn)] [Act: 1,3,4,5] |
| 19:36.31 | pupnik | [#maemo] |
| 19:36.39 | pupnik | http://www.bleb.org/software/maemo/os2007-src/osso-lmarbles_1.3.49-0.tar.gz |
| 19:36.50 | ttuttle | pupnik: That's source. |
| 19:37.09 | pupnik | ttuttle: you're a hacker, compile it :) |
| 19:37.50 | _Shurik_ | marbles fun on the first level |
| 19:38.00 | ttuttle | _Shurik_: Do you have a 770 or an 800? |
| 19:38.03 | _Shurik_ | after that it's too difficult |
| 19:38.06 | _Shurik_ | n800 |
| 19:38.32 | _Shurik_ | well, so is chess really. Get's compicated after E2-E4 move |
| 19:38.43 | Jaffa | ttuttle: ah, I wondered why you were asking me. I just expanded the tarball ;-) |
| 19:38.43 | pupnik | i don't see why marbles isn't in the bora repo though |
| 19:38.52 | ttuttle | pupnik: Me neither. |
| 19:38.59 | ttuttle | Can anyone here find lmarbles anywhere, as a deb? |
| 19:39.11 | ericz | marbles is too hard. |
| 19:39.24 | ttuttle | ericz: lol |
| 19:39.35 | ericz | on easy, i can't get past the second level |
| 19:39.37 | pupnik | stumps me too after a few levels |
| 19:39.49 | _Shurik_ | I think I got to level 4 |
| 19:40.28 | _Shurik_ | but it was difficult |
| 19:40.38 | ttuttle | Does anyone have a 770 with lmarbles and xterm and a way to get files off the device? |
| 19:40.45 | ttuttle | Oh, a 770 with hacker 2007. |
| 19:41.15 | _Shurik_ | so I'm waiting for Doom3 port to n800 |
| 19:41.26 | ericz | i have a 770 with os 2006 and xterm and lmarbles and a way to get files off the device. |
| 19:41.28 | *** part/#maemo Xenon3DN (n=Xenon@mail.3dnature.com) |
| 19:41.35 | ericz | think there's any difference in the versions of marbles? |
| 19:41.38 | Spec | i have a 770 with os2k6 and xterm :p |
| 19:41.40 | Spec | what's lmarbles? |
| 19:41.47 | ericz | the marbles game |
| 19:42.10 | Spec | you mean the hard one? |
| 19:42.12 | ttuttle | Spec: Can you get files off the device? |
| 19:42.13 | Spec | that involves logic? |
| 19:42.16 | ttuttle | Spec: Yeah. |
| 19:42.19 | Spec | yes, xterm + ssh = win |
| 19:42.23 | _Shurik_ | what I'm actually curious is how the hell did they do a port of StarControl 2 to maemo |
| 19:42.35 | _Shurik_ | was the source released or something? |
| 19:42.37 | Spec | marbles rocks :o) |
| 19:44.05 | pupnik | _Shurik_: yes, |
| 19:44.13 | pupnik | toys for bob kept control of the source |
| 19:44.16 | pupnik | and they released it |
| 19:44.34 | pupnik | usually the publisher retains those rights, but in this case the creators demanded they keep rights to the source |
| 19:44.37 | _Shurik_ | toys for bob? |
| 19:44.43 | pupnik | they created Star Control 2 |
| 19:44.45 | _Shurik_ | ah okay |
| 19:44.50 | _Shurik_ | hmm, interesting |
| 19:44.56 | Spec | what is Star Control 2? |
| 19:44.59 | pupnik | it gets even funnier |
| 19:45.02 | pupnik | best game ever, Spec |
| 19:45.09 | _Shurik_ | Spec: you don't know SC2? |
| 19:45.09 | ttuttle | Spec: Okay. Can you run this: eval tar -cvzf lmarbles.tar.gz `cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/*lmarbles*.md5sums | awk '{print "/"$2" "}'` /var/lib/dpkg/info/*lmarbles* |
| 19:45.17 | ttuttle | Spec: And then send me lmarbles.tar.gz? |
| 19:45.28 | Spec | it's os2006, not hacker |
| 19:45.34 | _Shurik_ | it's like Marbles, but 1,000,000 times better |
| 19:45.36 | ttuttle | Spec: That should be okay. |
| 19:45.52 | Spec | 'k |
| 19:45.55 | pupnik | Their publisher demanded they release it and the programmers stole away with the development boxes and the source and HID to finish the game. |
| 19:46.12 | pupnik | They went underground. |
| 19:46.14 | _Shurik_ | ah I see |
| 19:46.33 | ttuttle | pupnik: I think that script should let me reinstall it, as well as convince dpkg that I have reinstalled it. |
| 19:46.34 | pupnik | That's awesome. Anyway it turned out to be one of the greatest games of the 90s. |
| 19:46.35 | _Shurik_ | there's just gotta be so much stuff that can be ran on maemo |
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| 19:46.46 | _Shurik_ | after proper porting |
| 19:47.03 | pupnik | Well i'm working on On-Screen buttons for StarControl 2 so combat will be playable |
| 19:47.15 | _Shurik_ | oh really? |
| 19:47.20 | _Shurik_ | aswome |
| 19:48.15 | _Shurik_ | also, it might be a bit naive of course, but it surprises me that n800 can't emulate NES all that good |
| 19:50.31 | pupnik | how is the framerate? |
| 19:50.34 | ttuttle | Spec: Has it finished? |
| 19:50.45 | Spec | ttuttle: no |
| 19:51.01 | _Shurik_ | seems like 330 mHz vs 3.55 |
| 19:51.11 | ttuttle | Spec: Okay. Is it working? |
| 19:51.22 | _Shurik_ | well, it's lagging slightly. Not horribly, but still |
| 19:51.41 | _Shurik_ | I understand hardware scrolling and sprites... but still seems like it should kick it's ass. Oh well |
| 19:53.06 | Spec | ttuttle: i don't think backticks work |
| 19:53.13 | ttuttle | Spec: Oh. Are you sure? |
| 19:53.19 | ttuttle | Spec: They worked here. |
| 19:53.49 | suihkulokki | _Shurik_: thing is, it's not enough to emulate the HW accelerators.. you have to emulate in a bug-to-bug compatible way, including making sure timings are identical to the original hardware |
| 19:53.55 | ttuttle | Spec: Well, do you know enough shell to work around it? |
| 19:54.00 | Spec | yes |
| 19:54.05 | ttuttle | Spec: Okay. |
| 19:54.13 | suihkulokki | _Shurik_: since game developers really used to exploit every last bit of hardware |
| 19:54.14 | Spec | but it's slow going as i don't have ssh-inbound access to my 770 |
| 19:54.18 | ttuttle | Spec: Ah. |
| 19:55.19 | ttuttle | Can I get things like make, binutils, cpio, and so on for the N770? |
| 19:55.22 | Spec | weird that ` don't work |
| 19:55.30 | Spec | but $() does |
| 19:55.32 | ttuttle | Spec: Yeah. |
| 19:55.35 | _Shurik_ | suihkulokki: makes sense... I know there is a reason why it is that way, just saying that still appears strange... oh well |
| 19:55.38 | ttuttle | Spec: And I got ` to work on Hacker 2007. |
| 19:57.21 | melmoth | ttuttle, it will be easier and faster to compile your app in scratchbox, where you will have make |
| 19:59.05 | ericz | wow, i can't believe there's an item for Idea applets thing in control panel, all that time i spent yesterday editing the xml file in nano.. |
| 19:59.11 | _Shurik_ | Hm, I wonder if using standard stereo 1/8" connector does any harm to device |
| 19:59.17 | Spec | ttuttle: bash? |
| 19:59.21 | _Shurik_ | as it has 4th connecter for mic |
| 19:59.33 | _Shurik_ | but then again.. probably not |
| 19:59.33 | Spec | ttuttle: I just did: echo `cat /var/lib/dpkg/status` to no avil, yet: echo $(cat /var/lib/dpkg/status) works just fine |
| 20:04.03 | Spec | ttuttle: eh, sorry, hold on |
| 20:04.07 | Spec | ttuttle: waiting for network to start working again |
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| 20:04.42 | sbaturzio | Aloha! |
| 20:07.03 | pupnik | duno how much speed could be gained |
| 20:08.12 | _Shurik_ | pupnik: you're talking about emu? |
| 20:08.21 | Spec | ttuttle: 'k |
| 20:08.22 | pupnik | SDL games |
| 20:08.24 | Spec | ttuttle: got an e-mail addy? |
| 20:08.26 | pupnik | and emus |
| 20:09.03 | _Shurik_ | I see |
| 20:09.22 | _Shurik_ | well, just need to ask Nokia to give us Geforse video on that thang |
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| 20:09.58 | yzf600 | hello all |
| 20:12.10 | ttuttle | Spec: thinkinginbinary@gmail.com. How big is it? |
| 20:12.27 | Spec | 518kb |
| 20:12.44 | Spec | ttuttle: do you count binary on your hands? |
| 20:12.55 | Spec | 'cause you can go up to 31 on your right hand, and up to 1023 on both. :) |
| 20:12.58 | ttuttle | Spec: lol |
| 20:14.02 | ttuttle | Spec: thanks |
| 20:15.49 | pupnik | nice Spec |
| 20:16.22 | Spec | hmm? |
| 20:16.29 | Spec | i haven't done anything nice yet |
| 20:17.06 | ttuttle | Spec: First time I tried, it rebooted. Let's see if it works the second time. |
| 20:18.23 | ttuttle | Spec: /me grumbles. It always reboots. |
| 20:18.32 | Spec | i've never had a problem yet |
| 20:18.39 | ttuttle | Does anyone have an N770 with hacker 2007 and Lmarbles? |
| 20:18.43 | ttuttle | Spec: Hmm. |
| 20:18.50 | ttuttle | Spec: Probably a library issue. |
| 20:18.55 | Spec | 'da |
| 20:19.03 | Spec | you could set up a dev environment and compile it |
| 20:19.05 | ttuttle | Is it possible to back up the entire system somehow? |
| 20:19.10 | ttuttle | Spec: Yeah, but I need the graphics too. |
| 20:19.22 | Spec | graphics too? |
| 20:19.26 | Spec | i meant compile it for the hacker 2007 |
| 20:19.29 | ttuttle | Spec: Yeah. |
| 20:19.33 | ttuttle | Spec: I need the graphics package too. |
| 20:20.35 | ttuttle | Or is there any way to loop-mount the hacker 2007 image? |
| 20:24.45 | Spec | so...anyone know if it's better to use sbrsh or qemu? |
| 20:25.16 | yzf600 | Does anyone use gaim for yahoo IM? |
| 20:25.32 | yzf600 | My install can't login and I tried to uninstal it and I can't |
| 20:27.07 | yzf600 | Is running an ssh server on the 770 and logging in remotely the easiest way to get to a command line? |
| 20:27.21 | Spec | yes! |
| 20:27.29 | Spec | you can install xterm and use that, that's what i do |
| 20:27.29 | yzf600 | ok |
| 20:27.32 | Spec | but ssh would be so much easier |
| 20:27.42 | Spec | but my wireless and wired networks are separated for security :-/ |
| 20:27.59 | yzf600 | Spec: can I then use the dpkg utils to force gaim to un-install? |
| 20:29.07 | Spec | sure |
| 20:29.12 | Spec | i'm not saying it's a good idea |
| 20:29.15 | Spec | but you can :o) |
| 20:29.23 | Spec | dpkg --purge --force-whatevers-not-working <package> |
| 20:29.32 | yzf600 | Spec: yea - at work we have the same deal. We have to run a windows only vpn client to get into the corp network |
| 20:29.54 | Spec | i could probably vpn in |
| 20:30.00 | Spec | but i don't think i have vpn software on my 770 |
| 20:30.09 | Spec | and i'm pretty lazy |
| 20:30.16 | ericz | is their vpn software for the 770? |
| 20:30.40 | Spec | i would assume |
| 20:32.24 | yzf600 | openvpn |
| 20:32.34 | yzf600 | or something like that |
| 20:36.03 | yzf600 | ok, so I just installed dropbearssh-server |
| 20:36.15 | yzf600 | it complained that It could not install |
| 20:37.26 | yzf600 | suck |
| 20:38.34 | melmoth | use apt-get insted of the graphical installer...And if it still fail, you may have to be in 'red pill mode' |
| 20:40.07 | edistar | do I need to reflash if I want to have a new kernel? |
| 20:40.46 | edistar | seems like a lot of trouble.. |
| 20:41.15 | yzf600 | melmoth: so how to I apt-get if I don't have a terminal window like xterm yet? |
| 20:41.52 | melmoth | install a xterm :) |
| 20:42.06 | melmoth | this should work with the gui |
| 20:42.29 | melmoth | actually dropbear should work as well, but i think it needs to have the gui installer in 'red pill' mode to be installable |
| 20:42.32 | ttuttle | If I show all packages in red pill mode in the App Manager... can I safely accept upgrades to those packages? |
| 20:42.36 | melmoth | i m not 100% sure though |
| 20:43.34 | ttuttle | Anyone? |
| 20:43.42 | yzf600 | melmoth: yea - I just found the 2006 ssh page where it says for the openssh to install, you have to install becomeroot or get into r&d mode |
| 20:43.49 | edistar | that is the red pill mode? |
| 20:43.53 | yzf600 | is r&d mode the same thing as 'red pill' mode? |
| 20:43.58 | melmoth | no |
| 20:44.03 | yzf600 | ok |
| 20:44.19 | ttuttle | ...? |
| 20:44.19 | sxpert | there's a 'red pill' mode ? what does it do ? |
| 20:44.27 | melmoth | red pill is something you set in the application manager stuff. r&d is somehing you set with the flasher |
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| 20:44.38 | sxpert | melmoth, ah right |
| 20:45.03 | nate12o6 | has anyone here successfully got pptp vpn working on there n770? |
| 20:45.03 | melmoth | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationManagerRedPillMode |
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| 20:47.00 | sxpert | haha. the root password to the iPhone is "dottie" |
| 20:47.43 | yzf600 | cool - I'm in red pill mode now |
| 20:48.03 | edistar | sxpert: no, its alpine.. |
| 20:48.09 | _Shurik_ | sxpert: I don't get it |
| 20:48.18 | sxpert | that's the pasword for the "mobile" account |
| 20:48.44 | sxpert | _Shurik_, what don't you understand ? |
| 20:49.16 | _Shurik_ | why "dottie" is funny |
| 20:49.33 | _Shurik_ | I think it's that time of the day when all caffeine has worn out |
| 20:50.02 | sxpert | _Shurik_, more like "this thing will be hacked in no time" |
| 20:50.04 | florian | sxpert: Some guys in #unixag found out the same this morning... |
| 20:50.14 | sxpert | florian, haha. |
| 20:50.33 | sxpert | florian, the guys on full disclosure took all of 16 seconds :D |
| 20:50.33 | _Shurik_ | aaah that's what you mean, got ya |
| 20:50.46 | florian | hehe |
| 20:50.52 | yzf600 | wheeee - I have a command prompt on my 770! |
| 20:51.02 | florian | sxpert: ok, fast machine... |
| 20:51.16 | _Shurik_ | yzf600: congrats |
| 20:51.31 | nate12o6 | has anyone even tried to get pptp or any vpn capability working on there nokia? |
| 20:51.34 | _Shurik_ | now what you gonna do with all that black screen goodness? |
| 20:51.55 | _Shurik_ | nate: I thought hamachi was possible |
| 20:52.17 | nate12o6 | it is but i would like to stay away from that. i would like to vpn into a network not to a computer |
| 20:52.27 | yzf600 | so has anyone used their 770 to make a voip call yet? |
| 20:52.31 | nate12o6 | i have |
| 20:52.36 | nate12o6 | its very cool |
| 20:52.37 | _Shurik_ | me too |
| 20:52.45 | _Shurik_ | yes, very cool |
| 20:52.47 | yzf600 | what service did you use |
| 20:52.49 | nate12o6 | just need to get pptp and im set |
| 20:52.52 | _Shurik_ | calls from a weird 7xxxxx number |
| 20:52.57 | nate12o6 | i use ipkall to get a free incomeing |
| 20:53.10 | _Shurik_ | ipkall? |
| 20:53.13 | Spec | nate12o6: free incoming? |
| 20:53.14 | _Shurik_ | interesting... |
| 20:53.16 | nate12o6 | and right now im trying to set up voipbuster to gett free outgoing |
| 20:53.18 | nate12o6 | yea |
| 20:53.20 | Spec | free outgoing as well? |
| 20:53.22 | nate12o6 | check out ipkall.com |
| 20:53.24 | nate12o6 | works awsome |
| 20:53.28 | nate12o6 | no just incomeing |
| 20:53.29 | Spec | do you get a phone number or is it ip only? |
| 20:53.34 | nate12o6 | phone number |
| 20:53.38 | nate12o6 | out of washington state |
| 20:53.41 | _Shurik_ | We don't sell equipment or service, there is no charge for registering or for connecting your calls to IP, and we do NOT provide any customer service. |
| 20:53.45 | Spec | so you get free incoming, but no free outgoing? |
| 20:53.50 | _Shurik_ | buahaha! |
| 20:53.52 | nate12o6 | correct |
| 20:53.57 | _Shurik_ | sounds like I'm back in Russia |
| 20:54.00 | Spec | how much does it cost to make calls? |
| 20:54.06 | nate12o6 | im still working on setting up voipbuster to get free outgoing |
| 20:54.19 | nate12o6 | vb is free |
| 20:54.24 | nate12o6 | to 100 countries |
| 20:54.41 | nate12o6 | but i have not succefully made a call with the 770 yet |
| 20:54.48 | _Shurik_ | is anyone getting a reeeeeeally long conneciton time with VB? |
| 20:55.05 | _Shurik_ | I waited for 5 mins and it never connected to US number |
| 20:55.09 | Spec | nate12o6: well, keep us tuned in |
| 20:55.10 | _Shurik_ | kept ringing |
| 20:55.14 | nate12o6 | sure will |
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| 20:56.09 | nate12o6 | but i would definately recommend ipkall. It works flawlessly with gizmo project |
| 20:56.17 | Spec | gizmo project? |
| 20:56.26 | Dr_Nunim | The VOIP application |
| 20:56.31 | nate12o6 | gizmo project is the softphone that is ported to maemo |
| 20:56.47 | Spec | nate12o6: so with ipkall i could receive calls on my 770, assuming it had webernet connectivity? |
| 20:57.17 | _Shurik_ | what did you use to register: freeworldfialup.com or mutualphone.com? |
| 20:57.18 | Spec | i'm working on getting webernet connectivity wherever i am (aircrack-ng suite) |
| 20:57.23 | _Shurik_ | or is that even neccessary? |
| 20:57.27 | yzf600 | so how would one use the built in voice call app? |
| 20:57.28 | nate12o6 | Spec: yes. and if you are not connected to the internet gizmo will take a voice mail and record it as a missed call. it will also email you an mp3 of your voicemail. |
| 20:57.45 | yzf600 | when I go to setup an account, all it allows is jabber and google talk |
| 20:58.10 | nate12o6 | _Shurik_: i used gizmo to register. I just fowarded ipkall to my gizmo account. I like it this way because it handles all missed calls through the ui. |
| 20:58.10 | Spec | can you get google talk to dial/receive phone #rs? |
| 20:58.13 | nate12o6 | on the 770 |
| 20:58.22 | Spec | so gizmo is a service? |
| 20:58.34 | nate12o6 | yes. service that supplys a softphone |
| 20:58.47 | nate12o6 | yzf600 you must download the gizmo project and install it |
| 20:59.28 | nate12o6 | Spec i didnt understand your google talk question |
| 20:59.37 | Spec | google talk is voip? |
| 21:00.04 | _Shurik_ | hm, so when I try to register for IPKall, it asks for SIP phone number |
| 21:00.06 | nate12o6 | google talk does not use sip yet. and it doesnt provide a pstn gateway |
| 21:00.13 | Spec | ah, ok |
| 21:00.19 | _Shurik_ | how do I get that? |
| 21:00.23 | nate12o6 | _Shurik_ you get your sip number after you register the gizmo project |
| 21:00.33 | nate12o6 | _Shurik_: it is free to reg |
| 21:00.42 | _Shurik_ | I am registered with gizmodo |
| 21:00.47 | _Shurik_ | but I only have username though |
| 21:00.51 | _Shurik_ | crap |
| 21:00.55 | _Shurik_ | Gizmo I mean :-D |
| 21:00.59 | nate12o6 | go to gizmoproject.com and login |
| 21:01.05 | _Shurik_ | okay |
| 21:01.05 | nate12o6 | and it will give you all yoru info |
| 21:01.20 | _Shurik_ | ahha, let's seeee |
| 21:01.22 | _Shurik_ | so kewl |
| 21:02.06 | nate12o6 | now if i can get the voipbuster account working when i get off of work you will have free incomeing and outgoing calls. |
| 21:02.30 | Spec | nate12o6: are you often in this channel? |
| 21:02.40 | Spec | nate12o6: because one day i'm gonna bug you about getting voip working, but i'm working on something else first :o) |
| 21:02.55 | nate12o6 | Spec: i will probably be hanging out a little more to find someone to help me get the pptp working |
| 21:03.05 | nate12o6 | Spec: sure no prob |
| 21:03.09 | ttuttle | Is it "okay" to upgrade packages from Hacker 2007 with replacements from nokia's or maemo's bora repositories? |
| 21:03.12 | nate12o6 | its very eassy to set up |
| 21:04.49 | *** join/#maemo _Shurik_ (n=Shurik@64.238.118.3) |
| 21:04.55 | Spec | so what qemu-arm should i use to cross compile onto the n770? |
| 21:05.08 | _Shurik_ | wtf! Kicked me off into Effnet server |
| 21:05.10 | _Shurik_ | wicked |
| 21:05.54 | Spec | choices are: qemu-arm-0.7.0-sb2, qemu-arm-0.8.0-m2, qemu-arm-0.8.0-sb2, qemu-arm-0.8.1-sb2, qemu-arm-0.8.2-sb2, qemu-armeb-0.8.1-sb2, qemu-armeb-0.8.2-sb2 |
| 21:05.56 | nate12o6 | Spec: are you asking me? |
| 21:06.06 | Spec | nope, asking the channel |
| 21:06.19 | nate12o6 | _Shurik_: did you get it working? |
| 21:06.36 | pupnik | i never saw those armeb's |
| 21:06.49 | pupnik | i am using qemu-arm-0.8.1-sb2 |
| 21:07.03 | Spec | if it works for you, i'mma use the same one :o) |
| 21:07.36 | pupnik | you can set up additional targets, with different cpu transparency, if that doesn't work for you |
| 21:07.50 | Spec | yeap |
| 21:07.54 | _Shurik_ | nate: I'm looking for a Gizmo Project SIP proxy name |
| 21:08.25 | *** part/#maemo nhdezoito_adrian (n=nhdezoit@86.59.25.121) |
| 21:08.48 | nate12o6 | proxy01.sipphone.com |
| 21:08.50 | _Shurik_ | proxy01.sipphone.com:5060 might be it |
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| 21:08.53 | _Shurik_ | ah thatnks |
| 21:08.54 | _Shurik_ | :) |
| 21:09.59 | Tu13es | hm, does the n800 have a standby mode similar to sliding the case on the n770? |
| 21:10.16 | _Shurik_ | Offline mode + Lock screen/keys |
| 21:10.29 | _Shurik_ | Then carefully open back and slide out battery |
| 21:10.38 | _Shurik_ | j/k |
| 21:10.44 | _Shurik_ | :) |
| 21:11.02 | Dr_Nunim | It was a silly idea to take out the case in a later version. |
| 21:11.05 | Dr_Nunim | That was a smart feature. |
| 21:11.14 | _Shurik_ | agree |
| 21:11.17 | Tu13es | ah, so offline and lock will do it? |
| 21:11.26 | _Shurik_ | Tu13es: yes |
| 21:11.33 | Tu13es | cool, ty |
| 21:11.46 | Tu13es | any suggestions for a screen protector or case for it? |
| 21:12.13 | _Shurik_ | screen protector from PSP (cut it a bit) |
| 21:12.35 | Tu13es | ah true |
| 21:12.36 | _Shurik_ | and I use Strongman Caselogic. It's kinda big, but I feel safe for n800 |
| 21:12.52 | Tu13es | hrm, I have a PSP with a screen protector, I wonder if I can take it off the PSP and put it on the n800.... |
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| 21:14.14 | _Shurik_ | Tu13es: They're not that expensive... |
| 21:14.20 | Dr_Nunim | I got a 770 protector on ebay for around $5 |
| 21:14.24 | _Shurik_ | plus, ever tried to re-use scotch tape? :) |
| 21:14.28 | Tu13es | :P |
| 21:14.36 | Dr_Nunim | Actually I got 2 |
| 21:14.45 | Spec | argh, i ran outta space on my / |
| 21:14.48 | _Shurik_ | actually some say that 770/n800 doesn't really need a screen protector |
| 21:15.03 | _Shurik_ | and it's sort of blast from the past kinda habbit |
| 21:15.03 | Tu13es | meh, i'm too paranoid not to have one |
| 21:15.18 | Dr_Nunim | PSP needs one. |
| 21:15.24 | Dr_Nunim | I've got one on the DS touchscreen. |
| 21:15.29 | pupnik | 770 has a very tough polymer - forgot the name |
| 21:15.44 | _Shurik_ | and I've heard reports of no problem while not using any on 770 I think it was |
| 21:15.51 | _Shurik_ | but.. yes, I have one :) |
| 21:16.26 | Tu13es | without problem do you mean the screen looks as it did on day 1 |
| 21:16.27 | Dr_Nunim | The 770 doesn't need one as mucb because it has the card case. |
| 21:16.27 | Tu13es | ? |
| 21:16.39 | Dr_Nunim | but I wouldn't toss an n800 into my pocket with phone and keys. |
| 21:16.40 | pupnik | I can't see any scratches yet - 8 months. |
| 21:17.02 | Dr_Nunim | hard case* |
| 21:17.16 | pupnik | I hope the 900 will have the case |
| 21:17.29 | Dr_Nunim | And more ram + stronger processor |
| 21:17.32 | Dr_Nunim | and a scroll wheel |
| 21:17.39 | pupnik | Right hand side buttons too |
| 21:17.39 | Dr_Nunim | Maybe an ice cream maker? |
| 21:18.03 | pupnik | Scroll wheel would be good - but you can tap-and-drag the webpages too |
| 21:18.16 | nate12o6 | lol |
| 21:19.44 | Spec | and a built-in laser bluetooth keyboard that projects from the base of the unit onto the desk it's laying on. |
| 21:20.20 | Spec | err, i suppose it wouldn't need to be bluetooth in that case, actually. |
| 21:20.20 | ttuttle | Spec: Eww, no. |
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| 21:21.04 | ttuttle | Hahaha, netsplit. Suckers. |
| 21:21.05 | pupnik | I'm opposed to any built-in keyboard. Bluetooth is the way to go. |
| 21:21.05 | nate12o6 | does anyone know if the Maemosized OpenVPN package can ack as a client or is it just a server? |
| 21:21.16 | ttuttle | nate12o6: OpenVPN is, by definition, both. I think. |
| 21:21.25 | nate12o6 | cool thanks |
| 21:21.50 | _Shurik_ | pupnik: why? BT consumes battery |
| 21:22.07 | gla55_ | magnetic clip on kb would be nice |
| 21:22.10 | Spec | and yet a built-in laser keyboard wouldn't? |
| 21:22.11 | gla55_ | like on that htc |
| 21:22.37 | gla55_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:22.47 | Dr_Nunim | Just make a thumb board that plugs into usb like the 360 is getting. |
| 21:23.17 | unique311 | google grandcentral....good stuff.. |
| 21:23.22 | _Shurik_ | who offered that? |
| 21:23.22 | _Shurik_ | I'm against laser keyboards |
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| 21:24.15 | _Shurik_ | and _really_ the only time I miss a keyboard is while using rdesktop |
| 21:24.19 | gla55_ | i just want couple of hw buttons more to the device |
| 21:24.27 | gla55_ | to other side of screen.. for emus and games |
| 21:24.55 | ttuttle | gla55_: That'd be cool. |
| 21:25.37 | Dr_Nunim | I hate rdp |
| 21:25.40 | Dr_Nunim | but thats not it's fault |
| 21:25.49 | _Shurik_ | but.. bt is better then nothing. It would be a really nice to have case/keyboard combo |
| 21:25.50 | Dr_Nunim | I wish RDP worked like VNC |
| 21:26.05 | _Shurik_ | Dr_Nunim: in what way? |
| 21:26.24 | Dr_Nunim | Allow administrator login, don't end session etc |
| 21:26.36 | Dr_Nunim | better security protocols |
| 21:26.46 | _Shurik_ | then why not use VNC then? |
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| 21:26.55 | pupnik | nice design on that htc |
| 21:27.04 | _Shurik_ | they are just very different by their nature... |
| 21:27.05 | Dr_Nunim | VNC doesn't offer the same compatbility |
| 21:27.25 | _Shurik_ | hm... really? I haven't tried it yet though (VNC) |
| 21:27.44 | _Shurik_ | you need to install server for that, while rdesktop is ready to go |
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| 21:28.00 | Dr_Nunim | True. |
| 21:28.04 | _Shurik_ | and admin login.. that should be configurable |
| 21:28.09 | _Shurik_ | within host system |
| 21:28.14 | Dr_Nunim | I couldn't find a way but I didn't look too hard :p |
| 21:28.25 | _Shurik_ | it needs to have a password for one thing |
| 21:28.55 | _Shurik_ | But I just use an account with Admin status |
| 21:29.02 | _Shurik_ | that works just fine |
| 21:29.21 | Dr_Nunim | One of my boxes has a blank admin password and I just use that to login but RDP is no no |
| 21:29.25 | pupnik | df |
| 21:29.28 | pupnik | sorry :P |
| 21:30.01 | _Shurik_ | rdp won't login to admin with blank pass |
| 21:30.59 | Dr_Nunim | I know |
| 21:31.02 | Dr_Nunim | That's why :( |
| 21:31.25 | _Shurik_ | oh I see |
| 21:32.48 | _Shurik_ | well, some say that you shouldn't do installs etc via rdesktop anyway as it's not a true session |
| 21:32.48 | _Shurik_ | better do vnc for that |
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| 21:37.27 | Spec | i wish my 770 had text-to-speech for the cli |
| 21:37.34 | Spec | i mean |
| 21:37.36 | Spec | speech-to-text |
| 21:37.52 | pupnik | it does, festival-lite |
| 21:38.05 | Spec | speech-to-text? |
| 21:38.12 | pupnik | oh sorry |
| 21:39.35 | pupnik | i looked for it |
| 21:39.47 | Spec | does anything do speech to text good? :p |
| 21:39.50 | pupnik | not much being done in open source speech recognition |
| 21:39.58 | _Shurik_ | text to speech |
| 21:40.00 | _Shurik_ | not other way |
| 21:40.14 | gla55_ | os/2 warp! |
| 21:40.34 | _Shurik_ | I did cat text.txt | /usb/bin/flite :-D |
| 21:40.51 | _Shurik_ | apparently sentences that separated by dot it reads in the same time :-D Weird |
| 21:41.31 | _Shurik_ | and it sounds like Hawking whose English is a second or third language |
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| 22:44.46 | Spec | hmm |
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| 22:44.56 | Spec | so i compiled some binaries and put them on n770 (via scp) |
| 22:45.06 | Spec | and when i go to "./mybinary' i get permission denied |
| 22:45.14 | Spec | but it's got the executable bit set, i'm root, and i'm in bash. |
| 22:46.30 | Spec | hmm, looks like i just can't execute off the sd card....what? |
| 22:50.49 | ericz | Spec, just tried it myself |
| 22:51.00 | ericz | same thing |
| 22:54.34 | pupnik | correct |
| 22:54.41 | pupnik | can not execute off of card |
| 22:54.49 | ericz | why not? |
| 22:55.23 | pupnik | kernel prohibits it |
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| 23:04.45 | rebroad | hmmm, i think it kinda defeats the purpose of having a small device if one then goes and gets a bluetooth keyboard. i mean, how can it still be called a handheld device? |
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| 23:06.43 | rebroad | i prefer the microsoft on-screen keyboard to the n800 stylus keyboard. it's smaller, has two shift keys, and also arrow keys... |
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| 23:11.36 | ericz | i prefer typing over vnc or ssh from my desktop :P but that totally takes away the point of a handheld too |
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| 23:14.02 | rebroad | ericz, yup |
| 23:22.34 | pupnik | the bluetooth keyboard is the same size as the 770. they both are pocketable |
| 23:22.52 | pupnik | having the bt keyboard does not prevent one-handed use |
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| 23:45.29 | volmarias | Hi, I'm trying to set up my N800 to use the http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ repository, but I'm getting an "Unable to refresh list" error upon attempting to refresh. Is what I'm trying to do really dumb? |
| 23:46.10 | pupnik | i have extras |
| 23:46.32 | pupnik | are you adding it in the application manager? |
| 23:47.24 | volmarias | yes. I've added a new catalog, which I've named maemo. The web address is "http://repository.maemo.org/extras , distrobution bora, componants user |
| 23:47.28 | volmarias | ah, spotted the problem |
| 23:47.40 | volmarias | user should be free or non-free, right? :P |
| 23:47.53 | volmarias | I knew I did something dumb |
| 23:48.34 | volmarias | there we go, now it's working just fine :) |
| 23:48.38 | pupnik | good deal |
| 23:49.38 | ericz | hey, i never knew there was a full screen touch keyboard |
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| 23:49.50 | pupnik | if you want to test some new games and emus, you can find a bunch at http://pupnik.de |
| 23:49.53 | ericz | i shouldve actually read the manual |
| 23:50.05 | pupnik | i still need to read that |
| 23:50.30 | volmarias | I'm just interested in getting the essentials for now, thanks :) |
| 23:50.39 | volmarias | I'll be there when games and emus become the essentials :) |
| 23:51.11 | pupnik | ok. discussion is at internettablettalk.com forums |
| 23:51.11 | ericz | apparently, by tapping a text field with a finger, there's a full screen finger keyboard, neat. |
| 23:51.39 | pupnik | yeah i'd be curious how that gets triggered |
| 23:52.03 | ericz | its actually really hard to open |
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| 23:52.16 | ericz | i had to tap this box like 12 times and hold then tap again |
| 23:52.17 | pupnik | you can set it to be the default |
| 23:52.50 | GoatBoy | hi... i'm a little confused by the flasher utility... do I have to download all the images and stuff if all I want to do is set the USB port into host mode? |
| 23:53.49 | pupnik | find a howto |
| 23:54.06 | ericz | the usb port doesn't offer power when it's in host mode, right? |
| 23:54.16 | ericz | like you either have to solder, or make a special cable? |
| 23:54.48 | GoatBoy | the howto's are not clear |
| 23:54.51 | GoatBoy | or the links are broken |
| 23:55.01 | GoatBoy | i don't want to reflash the whole thing, I just want to set it into USB mode |
| 23:55.08 | GoatBoy | and ericz yes you have to power the USB device |
| 23:55.22 | GoatBoy | i plan on using a cable from an external hard drive and a powered hub |
| 23:56.01 | GoatBoy | again, i just want to set it in host mode, not reflash the entire image if I don't have to |
| 23:56.08 | GoatBoy | the docs aren't very clear about this. |
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| 23:57.47 | nomis | GoatBoy: if you just want to change some flags you don't need to download any images. |
| 23:58.16 | nomis | GoatBoy: however, if usb-host mode needs a modified image (dunno, did not try this) then you of course would need to download this as well. |