| 00:00.01 | Dr_Nunim | I would never be caught in the iphone chan. |
| 00:00.08 | Dr_Nunim | I don't secretly love apple! |
| 00:00.16 | Milhouse2 | I have proof! :) |
| 00:00.47 | Molagi | i wanna see videos of people karate chopping iphones to pieces |
| 00:00.54 | Dr_Nunim | What I don't understand is that they had a YouTube commercial for the iphone yet the browser doesn't display flash.. |
| 00:01.34 | Milhouse2 | Molagi - I'm surprised such a video hasn't appeared of someone trashing an iPhone.. they did it to all of the new consoles |
| 00:01.49 | Molagi | yeah |
| 00:01.57 | Molagi | karate chop would look cool though |
| 00:02.06 | Molagi | like breaking those boards |
| 00:02.13 | Molagi | but just with an iphone |
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| 00:02.14 | Dr_Nunim | Not as dramatic to smash an iphone. |
| 00:02.26 | Dr_Nunim | People didn't camp out for day(s) to get them. |
| 00:02.30 | Milhouse2 | Sure it would be - in front of all the queueing fan bois |
| 00:02.39 | pupnik | Fix Neo1973. Open source, better resolution. And you can easily port your happy-fun-apps to it |
| 00:02.45 | pupnik | s/Fix/FIC |
| 00:03.07 | pupnik | Might be possible to run maemo on it too |
| 00:03.14 | Milhouse2 | I think I might have to get me one of them thar Neo1973s when they become available, probably one of the Phase 2 units at the end of this year (or there abouts) |
| 00:03.28 | pupnik | Any word on pricing? |
| 00:03.37 | Dr_Nunim | Why does it look so ugly? |
| 00:03.52 | pupnik | Designed in Asia |
| 00:04.03 | Milhouse2 | I thought the silver/black one looked ok, don't care much for the orange or green colour scheme though! |
| 00:04.09 | Milhouse2 | price - I'm sure it will be competitive |
| 00:04.11 | pupnik | I think it's decent. |
| 00:04.39 | pupnik | I like the little loop for a string/chain. |
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| 00:05.56 | Dr_Nunim | Yeah but it's qwertyless. |
| 00:08.34 | Milhouse2 | not too sure about the loop - seems to increase the size of the device without adding any real value |
| 00:09.36 | Milhouse2 | hopefully the hardware will get a make over before final release - i have to admit the Apple iPhone is pretty good looking, the Neo1973 could be made to look similar |
| 00:10.03 | pupnik | Yep, they'd be smart to emulate iphone more closely - piggyback on the style. |
| 00:10.18 | pupnik | That's what asian corps do anyway, with just about any product (cars, appliances) |
| 00:12.10 | Milhouse2 | $350 is the target price for the Neo1973 |
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| 00:12.40 | Milhouse2 | screen is only 480x640 - shame :( |
| 00:12.52 | pupnik | "only" |
| 00:12.57 | Milhouse2 | indeed, "only" |
| 00:13.07 | Milhouse2 | that res is crap for surfing |
| 00:13.22 | Dr_Nunim | We've only got 800x480. |
| 00:13.23 | Milhouse2 | would never go back to my VGA iPaq |
| 00:13.33 | pupnik | what is the iphone res? |
| 00:13.33 | Milhouse2 | the extra pixels make all the difference |
| 00:13.40 | Milhouse2 | less than the Neo! |
| 00:13.49 | Dr_Nunim | iPhone res is TV I think. |
| 00:13.51 | pupnik | 480x320 iirc |
| 00:13.56 | Dr_Nunim | Oh. |
| 00:14.35 | Dr_Nunim | The ability to change directions is kind of neat. |
| 00:14.38 | pupnik | so the neo costs less, is open source and has 2x the res. Iphone may win on style, but not on hardware, afaict |
| 00:14.51 | Milhouse2 | pupnik - yes, it's 320x480, eeeeeek! |
| 00:15.05 | Milhouse2 | plus the neo has GPS |
| 00:15.45 | Milhouse2 | the neo isn't likely to replace my internet tablet unless they can match the 800x480 resolution |
| 00:15.50 | pupnik | Same here |
| 00:16.07 | Milhouse2 | can't see why FIC can't increase the screen resolution - 640x480 will look pretty lame coming into 2008 |
| 00:16.25 | pupnik | an 800x480 screen would make it the size of the 770 |
| 00:16.27 | pupnik | or larger |
| 00:16.35 | Dr_Nunim | So? |
| 00:16.38 | Milhouse2 | http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/smartphones/first-look-the-antiiphone-openmokos-neo1973-236841.php |
| 00:16.47 | Dr_Nunim | It's only a bit bigger then my smartphone. |
| 00:16.50 | Milhouse2 | look at the pictures - plenty of plastic available |
| 00:16.53 | Dr_Nunim | And not nearly as thick. |
| 00:17.15 | pupnik | i dunno man, 640x480 is damn good for a phone. |
| 00:17.23 | Milhouse2 | but horrible for surfing |
| 00:17.42 | pupnik | better than 160x160 |
| 00:17.42 | Milhouse2 | though not as horrible as 480x320 it has to be said :) |
| 00:17.46 | pupnik | yep |
| 00:18.13 | Milhouse2 | i think 800x480 is the sweet spot where you can view sites without monkeying around with "optimized view" and that crap |
| 00:18.21 | pupnik | you're right about that |
| 00:18.27 | Dr_Nunim | 800x600 would have been nice |
| 00:19.17 | pupnik | A lot of users have trouble reading the 770 screen. Can't make 800x480 much smaller |
| 00:19.17 | Milhouse2 | I think slightly wider than 800 would be perfect - not so bothered about the vertical scrolling |
| 00:21.46 | Dr_Nunim | That'd be fine but then add a scroll wheel. |
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| 00:22.30 | milhouse | hmmm what did i miss? :) |
| 00:23.11 | pupnik | 02:20 < Dr_Nunim> That'd be fine but then add a scroll wheel. |
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| 00:25.54 | milhouse | yay, i got my nickname back! |
| 00:26.17 | milhouse | for some reason i couldn't log in with it the other week but now i can |
| 00:28.28 | Dr_Nunim | hrm that was bad |
| 00:28.30 | Dr_Nunim | it crashed on me |
| 00:28.46 | pupnik | opera isn't 100% robust on wonky websites |
| 00:29.11 | milhouse | or even non-wonky sites... ;) |
| 00:29.37 | Dr_Nunim | I meant the 770 itself ;p |
| 00:30.15 | pupnik | i think i've had about 8 crashes in as many months |
| 00:30.27 | pupnik | but as always ymmv |
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| 00:31.12 | pupnik | i'm still lmaoing at the japanese game show with the girls and the big iguana |
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| 00:34.48 | milhouse | I have to say that the OpenMoko wiki beats the pants off the new Maemo "wiki" for looks and readability |
| 00:34.53 | KaylaKaze | minimo won't work :-( |
| 00:35.00 | milhouse | just reading about the hardware now... http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Hardware#LCD_Display_Module_.28LCM.29 |
| 00:35.22 | KaylaKaze | oh! there it is. just takes a really long time to start. |
| 00:35.38 | KaylaKaze | and then it crashed :-( |
| 00:36.45 | Dr_Nunim | sounds like firefox :) |
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| 00:36.57 | KaylaKaze | I neve have problems with ff |
| 00:37.18 | Niacin | do you need > 64mb flash card to install os2007 on 770? |
| 00:37.41 | milhouse | no card is needed, but swap is always useful |
| 00:37.56 | milhouse | you can choose the size of swap up to 128mb |
| 00:38.32 | KaylaKaze | I closed everything else and it works... but own't connect to anything |
| 00:38.47 | Niacin | hmm even with everything uninstalled |
| 00:38.53 | Niacin | i still have < 78mb |
| 00:39.30 | Niacin | so how does one do the install? |
| 00:40.13 | Niacin | ./dev/mtdblock4 123.5M 62.9M 60.6M 51% / |
| 00:40.14 | pupnik | IT2007 is the Hacker edition |
| 00:40.32 | pupnik | if you have some experience with debian packages and the command line, you might like it |
| 00:40.45 | pupnik | Otherwise you're going to end up with a lot of broken apps |
| 00:40.56 | Niacin | sounds like fun |
| 00:41.07 | milhouse | in terms of "installing OS2007 HE on 770" - just flash it like you would OS 2006 |
| 00:41.13 | KaylaKaze | oh, that's why. for some reason my connection disconected |
| 00:41.26 | Niacin | yeah but how do i flash it if i have no space on the device ;) |
| 00:41.38 | pupnik | It installs a whole new root fs |
| 00:41.40 | milhouse | it doesn't install to flash card |
| 00:41.58 | Niacin | i only have a 64mb flash card |
| 00:42.01 | milhouse | you replace your existing OS installation on the internal memory - it will wipe all existing data |
| 00:42.02 | Niacin | and the .bin file is 78mb |
| 00:42.07 | Dr_Nunim | Ooh... 128mb swap.... |
| 00:42.16 | Dr_Nunim | I don't understand why that wasn't part of 2006. |
| 00:42.26 | pupnik | Niacin, it doesn't install to flash card |
| 00:42.28 | Niacin | so how does one actually flash it... if the userland has < 78mb free |
| 00:42.47 | Niacin | pupnik: i understand this... i'm not trying to install it on the flash... |
| 00:42.52 | milhouse | it wipes the internal memory |
| 00:43.00 | Niacin | i got that like 3 times already |
| 00:43.01 | milhouse | you have 128Mb internal memory on the deive |
| 00:43.06 | milhouse | s/deive/device |
| 00:43.30 | Niacin | yes but mine out of the box seems to have < 70mb free |
| 00:43.34 | Niacin | so no space for the image |
| 00:43.38 | milhouse | right... |
| 00:43.49 | Dr_Nunim | Well some is being taken up by the os.. |
| 00:43.49 | Niacin | soooooo again how does one flash it if i have no where to put it ;) |
| 00:43.50 | milhouse | the image doesn't go on the device |
| 00:43.55 | milhouse | just try it |
| 00:44.05 | milhouse | you don't copy the image to the device |
| 00:44.12 | pupnik | correct |
| 00:44.16 | Niacin | arr its a usb flash? |
| 00:44.18 | milhouse | you use the flasher which loads the image over what is already there |
| 00:44.19 | KaylaKaze | at least my D&D page works in minimo, though the recalculations are slow |
| 00:44.20 | Niacin | this makes more sense |
| 00:44.55 | Dr_Nunim | minimo does ajax better? |
| 00:45.06 | milhouse | can't do it any worse |
| 00:45.15 | Dr_Nunim | it could not do it all :p |
| 00:45.48 | KaylaKaze | apparently |
| 00:45.58 | milhouse | true :) i think it does ajax - haven't tried it to be honest. I like minimo, but the UI still needs more work before it replaces opera (it's not far off) |
| 00:46.55 | KaylaKaze | th recalculations aren't exaclty fast on my pc either |
| 00:47.29 | KaylaKaze | now I just need to figure out how to serve it from the local web browser, php, and sql so I don't use battery power using the wifi |
| 00:47.57 | rhys | what kind of usb port does the n800 have? |
| 00:48.11 | milhouse | a semi functional one |
| 00:48.16 | milhouse | mini USB |
| 00:48.33 | milhouse | female |
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| 00:48.52 | rhys | it a usb slave ? you plug it into a computer to let the flash / sd cards act as a drive? |
| 00:49.04 | pupnik | yes |
| 00:49.25 | milhouse | yes, it will appear as a mass storage device in windows etc. |
| 00:49.37 | KaylaKaze | I wonder if it'd be better if I set it up so that when a change is made, php does calculations and sends back the results instead of doing the calculations in javascript |
| 00:49.43 | rhys | ive heard something about changing it to a USB host. does it work? can you use a flash drive with it? do flash drives fall under the 100mA limit? |
| 00:50.12 | rhys | usb keyboards? |
| 00:50.25 | milhouse | when doing client side processing you should always consider that the client may not be the fastest computer in the world so if you can do the calculation server side you should |
| 00:50.56 | milhouse | rhys: i think it's being worked on but needs changes in the kernel |
| 00:51.09 | milhouse | rhys: worked on by the community, not nokia |
| 00:51.27 | Dr_Nunim | Where'd you get minimo from? |
| 00:51.41 | rhys | milhouse, so not a viable solution as of yet? |
| 00:51.43 | KaylaKaze | maemo |
| 00:51.46 | KaylaKaze | I think |
| 00:51.49 | KaylaKaze | maybe not |
| 00:51.52 | Dr_Nunim | checked there. |
| 00:51.55 | milhouse | rhys: not yet, but maybe one day... |
| 00:52.13 | milhouse | minimo: http://tonikitoo.blogspot.com/2007/06/minimo-02-maemo-port-release-and-new.html |
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| 00:55.22 | milhouse | Wow, that iPhone auction is now up to $18K! I think someone is having a laugh... |
| 00:55.57 | rhys | wow |
| 00:56.02 | rhys | when..the n800 is better |
| 00:56.10 | KaylaKaze | minimo doesn't semm to have bookmarks |
| 00:56.49 | milhouse | KaylaKaze: Bookmarks are a little bit "broken" in the latest minimo |
| 00:57.07 | milhouse | I believe the author is aware |
| 00:58.23 | milhouse | haha, that iPhone auction is increasing by about $500 every 30 seconds! |
| 00:58.29 | milhouse | now up to $19,100 |
| 00:58.37 | milhouse | 15 hours to go! |
| 00:58.50 | milhouse | should hit a million quite easily |
| 00:59.11 | milhouse | damn, stopped increasing now |
| 01:03.35 | KaylaKaze | now I need to get maeo mapper set to download maps... |
| 01:03.52 | pupnik | you have gps cellfone?: |
| 01:06.25 | KaylaKaze | bo |
| 01:06.28 | KaylaKaze | no |
| 01:06.40 | Dr_Nunim | Well, minimo displays google nicer |
| 01:06.51 | Dr_Nunim | Opera has a habit of making text boxes disappear. |
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| 01:08.06 | KaylaKaze | and opera turned off my javascript again... |
| 01:09.12 | Dr_Nunim | wow, meebo works on minimo! |
| 01:09.54 | Dr_Nunim | seems to choke the cpu though |
| 01:10.01 | Dr_Nunim | would probably work much better on an n800 |
| 01:11.25 | pupnik | ah never saw meebo before - interesting |
| 01:11.46 | KaylaKaze | well, as long as I have a wifi connection, I can use google maps, but I'd like to get a repository for my city local for maemo mapper... |
| 01:14.29 | rhys | KaylaKaze, doesnt it cache them? |
| 01:20.10 | Dr_Nunim | Minimo isn't bad. |
| 01:20.20 | milhouse | $32,100 for an iPhone now! LOL |
| 01:20.28 | Dr_Nunim | Not perfect but it has different strenghts then opera. |
| 01:20.38 | milhouse | $35,100 now |
| 01:20.44 | milhouse | bid frenzy going on |
| 01:20.47 | Molagi | is someone really gonna pay that price? |
| 01:20.50 | Dr_Nunim | Nah. |
| 01:20.50 | pupnik | i have a library of ramen |
| 01:20.51 | milhouse | doubt it! |
| 01:21.10 | milhouse | noodles? |
| 01:22.00 | pupnik | yeah, 8 cases, different brands / flavors |
| 01:22.19 | milhouse | nice, always handy if you get peckish in the middle of a good read |
| 01:23.20 | pupnik | yeah, this local russian shop that just opened buys them. I told the guy "I'll buy every new brand/flavor you get in here" |
| 01:23.21 | Niacin | so when i go to flash the 770... do i need to put it into a certian mode? |
| 01:23.26 | Niacin | or do i just plug it in and ./flash |
| 01:23.48 | milhouse | plug in the USB cable, hold down the home key and power on the 770 |
| 01:24.01 | milhouse | it should go into "Flasher" mode |
| 01:24.12 | pupnik | plug in, start flasher, turn on (on linux) |
| 01:24.20 | pupnik | i started the flasher before turning it on iirc |
| 01:24.42 | milhouse | i think if you hold down the Home key it puts it into flasher mode whereby it will wait for you to start the flasher |
| 01:24.50 | pupnik | ahh |
| 01:24.53 | milhouse | otherwise it will probably work as you describe |
| 01:25.08 | pupnik | yeah read instructions before flashing |
| 01:25.08 | KaylaKaze | yay! got samba access! |
| 01:25.27 | pupnik | how did you mount from the 770 KaylaKaze ? |
| 01:26.33 | Dr_Nunim | I like the japanese import noodles. |
| 01:27.16 | KaylaKaze | pupnik: smb browser |
| 01:27.24 | pupnik | the ones i have are all vietnamese or korean. the japanese 'nissin' brand is kinda pricey. |
| 01:27.27 | KaylaKaze | sucky program interface though |
| 01:27.33 | pupnik | sorry s/vietnamese/thai |
| 01:27.40 | pupnik | aha KaylaKaze i was trying to mount from command line |
| 01:27.46 | Niacin | flasher mode have a usb symbol in top right? |
| 01:27.50 | Niacin | and stick on the nokia screen? |
| 01:27.52 | milhouse | yes |
| 01:27.55 | milhouse | yes |
| 01:28.12 | milhouse | that means it's waiting for you to run the flasher utility |
| 01:28.52 | ericz | anybody have any experience setting up a vpn daemon on a home linux box to tunnel into from their 770? |
| 01:30.34 | Niacin | Found image xloader (length 13824) |
| 01:30.34 | Niacin | Found image secondary (length 86912) |
| 01:30.34 | Niacin | Invalid data block subblock count (3) |
| 01:30.39 | Niacin | i get that when i run flasher |
| 01:31.08 | milhouse | what OS are you flashing? and which flasher are you using? |
| 01:32.10 | Niacin | 2007 hacker and using latest flasher from nokia |
| 01:32.20 | milhouse | Hurrah - $60,100 for an iPhone now!!!! |
| 01:32.25 | milhouse | flasher 3? |
| 01:32.35 | milhouse | you might want to try flasher-2 with 770 |
| 01:32.42 | Niacin | arr ok |
| 01:33.06 | milhouse | what size is your bin? |
| 01:33.13 | milhouse | exactly |
| 01:33.17 | milhouse | in bytes |
| 01:33.36 | milhouse | SU-18_2007HACKER_2.2006.47-17_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 01:33.45 | milhouse | mine is 82,150,887 bytes |
| 01:34.47 | Niacin | arr that looks like it worked |
| 01:34.50 | Niacin | its flashing now |
| 01:35.19 | milhouse | it's working with flasher-2? |
| 01:35.22 | Niacin | ya |
| 01:35.47 | milhouse | ok cool - i always wondered if flasher-3 was backwards compatible with the 770, obviously not |
| 01:36.12 | ericz | anybody used the 770 with a vpn? |
| 01:37.31 | Niacin | milhouse did yours reboot automaticly? |
| 01:39.02 | milhouse | yes, but only because i told it to |
| 01:39.45 | milhouse | i normally flash with "./flasher -F <bin> -R -f" |
| 01:40.02 | KaylaKaze | pdf files are slow to render :-( |
| 01:41.23 | pupnik | PDF is bloaty by design |
| 01:42.09 | pupnik | like so many things, it gets fat and ugly with age |
| 01:44.16 | KaylaKaze | well, ocr'd docs with images hidden aren't too bad... |
| 01:44.39 | Dr_Nunim | I hate PDF |
| 01:44.55 | Dr_Nunim | even on my dual core a 2 megabit pdf can bring the cpu to a hault for a few seconds. |
| 01:45.07 | Dr_Nunim | Horrible software and such. |
| 01:45.21 | KaylaKaze | yeah, but that's the format they scan RPG books as well as in which popsci puts out digital editions |
| 01:45.43 | KaylaKaze | and cbr files aren't working :-( |
| 01:45.56 | Dr_Nunim | I used to get popsci |
| 01:46.07 | Dr_Nunim | I get wired now, for some reason they send them to me for free and I don't argue. |
| 01:46.30 | KaylaKaze | I was getting CGW for free for quite a while |
| 01:47.18 | pupnik | there's a cbr viewer for nokias iirc |
| 01:47.19 | Niacin | hehe when my 2007 dims... the screen flickers like crazy |
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| 01:47.58 | KaylaKaze | I think if I can get a 2GB card, it'll act better... maybe |
| 01:48.07 | pupnik | Niacin: i saw something like this. if you tap the screen-brightness control at the top, do you see screen brightness going up and down quickly? |
| 01:49.36 | Niacin | ya |
| 01:49.53 | pupnik | looks like a bug. i'll have to file one |
| 01:50.04 | pupnik | can you see the actual brightness bar going up and down? |
| 01:52.31 | Niacin | yeah |
| 01:52.51 | pupnik | i couldn't turn it off when that happened |
| 01:52.54 | pupnik | can you power down? |
| 01:52.59 | Niacin | sec installin stuff |
| 01:53.42 | Dr_Nunim | http://www.tatermitts.com/ |
| 01:54.06 | Dr_Nunim | Just saw the commercial on TV. |
| 01:54.08 | pupnik | most of us won't click on random URLs. Give a title or description please. |
| 01:54.17 | Dr_Nunim | It's tatermitts! |
| 01:54.23 | Dr_Nunim | Potato peeling gloves. |
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| 01:56.59 | pupnik | heh |
| 01:57.33 | Niacin | the 770 have some sort of serial interface? jtag? |
| 01:57.42 | milhouse | next to the battery |
| 01:57.49 | Niacin | jtag or serial? |
| 01:57.54 | milhouse | serial i think |
| 01:58.52 | Niacin | so no LVTTL to RS232 level translater built in? |
| 01:58.59 | Niacin | s/translater/translator |
| 01:59.14 | Niacin | i still have a cable laying around from my msntv hack |
| 02:04.37 | milhouse | Niacin: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/6981#6981 |
| 02:08.06 | Niacin | thanks |
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| 02:20.35 | Niacin | is there some sort of built in wget |
| 02:20.38 | Niacin | on the 770? |
| 02:20.44 | Niacin | like a cmd line url grabber |
| 02:21.05 | milhouse | not built in, but wget is available |
| 02:21.13 | Niacin | even in ipkg? |
| 02:21.30 | Niacin | eh dpkg |
| 02:21.43 | pupnik | there's a deb somewhere |
| 02:22.03 | milhouse | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/wget |
| 02:22.22 | pupnik | nice milhouse |
| 02:22.46 | pupnik | i'm imposing a personal moratorium on googling for other people in chat |
| 02:22.58 | milhouse | haha, fine by me :) |
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| 02:25.28 | sorbix | oooh i like the sound of that 2007 om the 770 linlk |
| 02:25.30 | sorbix | link* |
| 02:25.34 | sorbix | on* |
| 02:25.36 | Dr_Nunim | just install weget |
| 02:25.51 | sorbix | does OS 2007 fix flash issues? |
| 02:25.52 | Dr_Nunim | gah too late |
| 02:26.25 | pupnik | 2007 slicker in some ways. the virtual keyboard more responsive. the click sound much more elegant (it's like tapping a screwdriver on crystal glass, instead of wood) |
| 02:26.32 | milhouse | sorbix - depends on what issues. same flash as on OS 2006, but some flash issues might be OS related and fixed in OS 2007 |
| 02:26.52 | sorbix | oh OK, from what I read, flash in 2007 is a newer version? |
| 02:27.03 | milhouse | it is on N800 but not 770 |
| 02:27.10 | sorbix | i just got the 770 and am in the process of trying to fix flash |
| 02:27.24 | milhouse | flash is licenced to the device so Nokia have to ship the old Flash on 770 no matter what OS is used |
| 02:27.29 | sorbix | yea, i was disappointed to hear that 2007 was only for 800 |
| 02:27.37 | milhouse | kinda... |
| 02:27.49 | sorbix | so theres no way to update it myself? |
| 02:27.52 | milhouse | OS 2007 HE works well on 770 |
| 02:28.03 | milhouse | no - the OS isn't entirely open source |
| 02:28.08 | sorbix | ouch |
| 02:28.11 | milhouse | indeed |
| 02:29.08 | sorbix | so what happens if everyone starts using the new GPL? does that mean new gpl 3 software cant be on the tablets? |
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| 02:30.35 | sorbix | man i was really hoping to play tower defense on my 770 :) |
| 02:30.51 | pupnik | someone ported it? |
| 02:31.32 | sorbix | err, the new flash-based TD games |
| 02:31.35 | pupnik | sorbix, where's tower defense? too many hits for "tower defense" |
| 02:31.42 | pupnik | ah |
| 02:32.11 | Dr_Nunim | Play it in flash? |
| 02:32.23 | pupnik | i did some early flash development and i think it stinks |
| 02:32.35 | sorbix | well, thats the problem. all the new flash games use the latest flash version i guess |
| 02:32.39 | Niacin | how do i get libxau0 ? |
| 02:32.47 | Dr_Nunim | :( |
| 02:34.18 | KaylaKaze | I need something like nautilus for maemo |
| 02:37.24 | sorbix | man the 770 is so close to being awesome |
| 02:37.39 | sorbix | just falls short with shitty flash and java support |
| 02:37.44 | pupnik | isn't the screen dreamy, sorbix? |
| 02:37.47 | sorbix | yea |
| 02:37.50 | Dr_Nunim | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/canoe/ ? |
| 02:37.57 | Dr_Nunim | Kayla^ |
| 02:38.04 | pupnik | like when that nokia logo comes up, i can't see any pixels along the diagonal |
| 02:38.06 | sorbix | its the most satisfying gadget to hold |
| 02:39.09 | Dr_Nunim | Eh, java is silly. |
| 02:39.14 | Dr_Nunim | Flash I could see though. |
| 02:39.25 | sorbix | google apps need it |
| 02:39.29 | sorbix | like the calendar |
| 02:39.47 | sorbix | for some reason it doesnt work well as it is |
| 02:39.54 | sorbix | i mean, its there its just buggy |
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| 02:40.40 | ttuttle | ericz: Mine's getting here tomorrow! |
| 02:40.52 | ericz | ttuttle, mine says it left maryland about an hour ago |
| 02:41.02 | ttuttle | ericz: Yay. Where are you? |
| 02:41.05 | ericz | if the dude floors it, maybe it'll come tomorrow, but expected delivery is still tuesday |
| 02:41.16 | ttuttle | ericz: Mine's expected tomorrow. |
| 02:41.17 | ericz | virginia, but the most south east part of VA you can get |
| 02:41.24 | ericz | no fair! |
| 02:41.50 | ttuttle | ericz: Meh. I ordered earlier. My brother's is expected Monday or Tuesday, 'cause he ordered later. |
| 02:41.59 | Dr_Nunim | I got mine Today :) |
| 02:42.07 | ttuttle | Dr_Nunim: pffft. |
| 02:42.08 | Dr_Nunim | Wasn't expected until tomorrow. |
| 02:42.12 | ttuttle | Dr_Nunim: Cool. |
| 02:42.20 | ttuttle | Dr_Nunim: Is it awesome? |
| 02:42.22 | Dr_Nunim | And with the terrible FedEx tracking site I didn't know what was going on. |
| 02:42.22 | ericz | i mean, there's no reason, if they just left maryland, for it to not be delivered tomorrow other than laziness, but it should *definently* be here monday |
| 02:42.24 | Dr_Nunim | Yes, yes it is. |
| 02:42.40 | Dr_Nunim | once I get my 1gb card on monday it'll be more awesome. |
| 02:42.48 | ericz | i was getting concerned, woot.com forums have a ton of comments about "white screen" |
| 02:43.10 | ttuttle | ericz: Oh noes. |
| 02:43.15 | brlancer | ericz: why should they deliver it earlier than they need to? better to save the space on the truck for people paying extra for one or two day shipping |
| 02:43.20 | ttuttle | ericz: Is it a big problem, or just a lot of people talking about it? |
| 02:43.29 | Dr_Nunim | the WSOD? |
| 02:43.33 | Dr_Nunim | I thought that was flash fixable. |
| 02:43.35 | ericz | i mean, it's only 4 hours from where they just left from, and to here.. |
| 02:43.38 | ttuttle | brlancer: If there's extra space, or they'd have to run an extra truck to get it there within the promised period. |
| 02:43.42 | ericz | 4 hours shouldn't take 4 days |
| 02:43.50 | ttuttle | ericz: WSOD? |
| 02:44.19 | brlancer | ttuttle: agreed--but it's in their interest to meet all agreed upon service levels |
| 02:44.22 | ericz | woot.com had a few people mention that had "WSOD" (i guess thats what you'd call it?) |
| 02:44.38 | brlancer | and so the 5-7 day shipping sits on a loading dock while overnight stuff gets put in front |
| 02:45.24 | Dr_Nunim | Eh, I was happy with my fedex |
| 02:45.28 | Dr_Nunim | 1 day early aint bad. |
| 02:45.34 | Dr_Nunim | UPS has a better tracking system though. |
| 02:45.38 | Dr_Nunim | I always know where my package is |
| 02:45.44 | ericz | so my thing gets to the local fedex eadquarters tomrrow, or late tonight, and sits their until tuesday.. i mine as well go over there [30min drive] and ask for it |
| 02:45.51 | Dr_Nunim | FedEx it said it was in texas until yesterday. |
| 02:45.56 | brlancer | Dr_Nunim: mine was a day early also (showed up after 5p last night) |
| 02:45.58 | Dr_Nunim | You can call and see if you can pick it up. |
| 02:46.16 | Dr_Nunim | Mine was here by the time I woke up, 10:30. |
| 02:46.24 | KaylaKaze | yay! I can run my 770 over vnc |
| 02:46.44 | pupnik | KaylaKaze: synergy is awesome on the 770 too |
| 02:46.58 | pupnik | mine sits below my desktop monitor and i use my mouse and keyboard with it |
| 02:47.01 | ericz | i'd rather run my pc over vnc from the 770 :P but with xfce on linux and dual monitors, i don't think i can |
| 02:47.08 | KaylaKaze | I'm guessing that's a remote viewer? |
| 02:47.24 | pupnik | no it lets you share keyboard + mouse + cutandpaste between multiple machines |
| 02:47.24 | brlancer | synergy is a virtual kvm |
| 02:47.41 | KaylaKaze | I haven't seen that listed... |
| 02:47.45 | pupnik | the cutandpaste is awesome -- hilight a url in chat and paste it on another machine |
| 02:47.48 | brlancer | it's damn awesome, especially with stunnel to encrypt the traffic |
| 02:48.35 | pupnik | http://box.mmapps.net/~keesj/synergy/ |
| 02:49.25 | brlancer | schweet |
| 02:49.26 | milhouse | wow, $51,000,100 for the iPhone on ebay now ($51million)! |
| 02:49.32 | Dr_Nunim | lol |
| 02:49.35 | sorbix | has anyone gotten google calendar to work on the 770? |
| 02:49.36 | Dr_Nunim | so fake. |
| 02:49.50 | ericz | iPhone's like $500, right? |
| 02:50.00 | Dr_Nunim | I think its 600 or 800 |
| 02:50.01 | milhouse | correction, $52m - just jumped $1m |
| 02:50.31 | milhouse | shit |
| 02:50.35 | milhouse | $66m now |
| 02:50.38 | milhouse | LOL |
| 02:50.39 | ericz | holy shit |
| 02:50.42 | Dr_Nunim | gonna get pulled soon. |
| 02:50.50 | milhouse | Free shipping though |
| 02:50.51 | milhouse | http://cgi.ebay.com/Apple-iphone-8GB-8-GB-i-phone-Mac-cell-phone-FREE-SHIP_W0QQitemZ290134220620QQihZ019QQcategoryZ64355QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 02:50.56 | ericz | oooh free shipping! |
| 02:50.59 | ericz | im sold. |
| 02:51.03 | milhouse | i know - bargain! |
| 02:51.18 | ericz | no payments until '08! |
| 02:51.25 | milhouse | $76m now!!!! |
| 02:51.32 | Dr_Nunim | Google calendar use ajax? |
| 02:51.33 | milhouse | nuts |
| 02:51.38 | ericz | the seller has 100% feedback too. |
| 02:51.49 | milhouse | bless |
| 02:51.55 | sorbix | yea something like that |
| 02:52.00 | sorbix | it just doesnt render right |
| 02:52.22 | sorbix | gmail works fine though |
| 02:52.23 | Dr_Nunim | I had 100% until some asshole didn't like a usps delay |
| 02:52.48 | Dr_Nunim | What part doesn't work? |
| 02:52.56 | ericz | i wonder if there's a cap on how much can actually be bid |
| 02:53.16 | milhouse | i was just wondering if this could turn out to be the most expensive auction in ebay history |
| 02:53.26 | ericz | it'll get taken down, im sure |
| 02:53.27 | milhouse | something else has probably topped it though |
| 02:53.44 | KaylaKaze | it says synegy is incompatible |
| 02:53.46 | ericz | 99m! |
| 02:53.54 | sorbix | Dr_Nunim: it only renders the top left google logo and a couple links but there st is nada |
| 02:54.01 | sorbix | rest* |
| 02:54.15 | Dr_Nunim | Sorbix, try in minimo. |
| 02:54.20 | Dr_Nunim | Seems to be working fineish.. |
| 02:54.22 | Dr_Nunim | Well working. |
| 02:55.10 | ericz | hrm, to place a big over 15k, you have to provide a valid credit card or complete the id verify process (whch costs $5) that sucks |
| 02:55.13 | ericz | bid* |
| 02:56.10 | sorbix | minimo only has windows and cab installers it seems |
| 02:56.14 | sorbix | one sec... |
| 02:56.36 | sorbix | nvm\ |
| 02:57.33 | brlancer | ericz: it's not hard to get a valid credit card number |
| 02:57.41 | KaylaKaze | that synergy deb says it's incompatible |
| 02:58.43 | pupnik | IT2007? |
| 02:58.58 | Dr_Nunim | http://dragon-gaming.com/screenshgot00.png |
| 02:59.02 | Dr_Nunim | Google Calendar |
| 03:00.58 | sorbix | are you sure minimo works with 2006? it says i need the x11 packages |
| 03:01.08 | Dr_Nunim | You need the dependencys. |
| 03:01.12 | Dr_Nunim | but it's working fine. |
| 03:01.21 | Dr_Nunim | use the repositories listed. |
| 03:01.50 | KaylaKaze | pupnik: no |
| 03:03.45 | pupnik | there's a dpkg command to show the OS version a package wants |
| 03:03.53 | pupnik | you can also try dpkg -i <packagename> |
| 03:05.51 | milhouse | $99,999,999.00 |
| 03:08.11 | milhouse | And it's been removed :( |
| 03:09.42 | Dr_Nunim | Told you :( |
| 03:11.30 | pupnik | I should put Germany up for auction. |
| 03:11.45 | pupnik | oh nevermind, we're already sold-out |
| 03:12.04 | milhouse | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/used-sock-with-hole_W0QQitemZ280129037088QQihZ018QQcategoryZ313QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 03:12.15 | milhouse | Tempting |
| 03:12.43 | KaylaKaze | I can't dpkg... when I try, it pw prompts me. I put in rootme but it says incorrect |
| 03:13.36 | pupnik | google nokia+"how do I become root" |
| 03:13.44 | pupnik | i think it's sudo gainroot or summat |
| 03:13.53 | KaylaKaze | I know how to gain root |
| 03:13.57 | milhouse | sudo gainroot |
| 03:13.59 | KaylaKaze | but I'm not able to do it |
| 03:14.17 | milhouse | but you need to have installed the becomeroot package or have your device in R&D mode (I use the latter method) |
| 03:14.19 | KaylaKaze | ssh is giving me errors. I'm installing a text editor to try to fix the ssh problem |
| 03:14.41 | KaylaKaze | ssh says that the key isn't authorized or soemthing |
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| 03:16.12 | pupnik | you can delete your ~/.ssh/ keys to clear them out |
| 03:16.30 | sorbix | man setting up minimo is complicated |
| 03:18.53 | KaylaKaze | I think somethign has changed my root pw |
| 03:19.12 | KaylaKaze | sorbix, then you're not doing it right |
| 03:19.20 | milhouse | should be rootme by default |
| 03:19.27 | KaylaKaze | milhouse: I know |
| 03:19.40 | KaylaKaze | but it's not working. It was earlier |
| 03:20.08 | sorbix | im trying to add the repositories but the package lists arent refereshing right |
| 03:20.49 | KaylaKaze | I just clicked on a deb link |
| 03:21.18 | KaylaKaze | oh, no I didn't |
| 03:21.23 | KaylaKaze | I used this repository http://tonikitoo.blogspot.com/2006/09/minimomozilla-maemo-port-repository.html |
| 03:22.36 | sorbix | no i got that added but it says i need the x11-common packages |
| 03:24.11 | KaylaKaze | the log for app manager says about the synergy package "Package must have "Section: user/FOO" to be considered compatible" |
| 03:24.16 | KaylaKaze | is there a way to fix that? |
| 03:24.46 | KaylaKaze | sorbix: I must have installed something else before hand that had them or had a repository that had them |
| 03:29.25 | pupnik | KaylaKaze: oh good grief. That's a known error. keesj what's up with that? |
| 03:29.36 | pupnik | He's probably sleeping like a sane european. |
| 03:29.55 | pupnik | KaylaKaze: yeah i can't remember offhand |
| 03:31.45 | pupnik | Ok, in the pkg source, it requires one change the debian/control file, line "Section: libs" to "Section: user/libs" |
| 03:33.23 | pupnik | KaylaKaze: see if you get the error running (as root) dpkg -i thesynergypakage.deb |
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| 03:36.58 | KaylaKaze | pupnik: I can't get root access. rootme isn't working |
| 03:37.25 | pupnik | can you ssh to the device? |
| 03:38.08 | KaylaKaze | only locally on itself |
| 03:38.17 | milhouse | how have you tried to get root so far? have you tried ssh -l root <ip>? |
| 03:38.39 | KaylaKaze | wait, I got it |
| 03:39.00 | KaylaKaze | the 770 spontaneously changed it's ip on me so I was trying to ssh to it's old one |
| 03:39.23 | KaylaKaze | I was able to ssh into it as root from my desktop (though I still can't get root on it locally) |
| 03:40.02 | milhouse | how are you trying to get root locally? what method(s)? |
| 03:40.08 | milhouse | sudo su - root? |
| 03:40.19 | milhouse | or sudo gainroot? |
| 03:40.22 | KaylaKaze | sudo |
| 03:40.26 | milhouse | or ssh -l root localhost? |
| 03:40.26 | KaylaKaze | and sudo su |
| 03:40.29 | KaylaKaze | and ssh |
| 03:40.50 | KaylaKaze | okay, I think this installed synergy |
| 03:40.56 | milhouse | "sudo su - root" should work assuming the password is rootme and you haven't disabled root login |
| 03:41.45 | KaylaKaze | well, I'll try later. I'm much happier doing it through ssh on my pc |
| 03:43.41 | KaylaKaze | hmm.. synergys is telling me no configuration file available and I have no idea where one would be |
| 03:44.21 | pupnik | /etc/synergy.conf |
| 03:44.35 | pupnik | /usr/share/doc/synergy/examples/synergy.conf |
| 03:45.25 | KaylaKaze | neither |
| 03:45.44 | pupnik | put the synergy server on your pc, client on the nokia |
| 03:46.01 | KaylaKaze | oh... I thought it was the other way around |
| 03:46.26 | KaylaKaze | I thought I wanted to control the nokia from my dekstop |
| 03:46.35 | pupnik | correct |
| 03:46.59 | pupnik | the server should be on the machine with the controlling keyboard and mouse |
| 03:47.24 | pupnik | it helps to read the manual |
| 03:47.55 | KaylaKaze | what manual |
| 03:48.05 | KaylaKaze | and there's nothign on maemo to read with |
| 03:48.56 | pupnik | google synergy server howto |
| 03:49.24 | pupnik | maybe add synergy.conf to the search |
| 03:50.38 | KaylaKaze | well, I've got them synergy connected |
| 03:51.28 | pupnik | really? hows it working for you |
| 03:51.46 | pupnik | any issues? |
| 03:52.20 | KaylaKaze | I haven't figured out how to use it yet |
| 03:52.48 | KaylaKaze | my server window on my desktop shows it's connected... but that's about it |
| 03:54.12 | pupnik | to what side of your monitor is the nokia set up? |
| 03:54.21 | pupnik | in synergy.conf? |
| 03:55.23 | KaylaKaze | I have no idea. I'm still reading the docs |
| 03:55.58 | pupnik | then you clearly do not have them connected via synergy |
| 03:56.23 | KaylaKaze | well, I had a window on my PC saying that it was connected |
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| 03:57.47 | KaylaKaze | or maybe it's refusing connection... |
| 04:00.04 | KaylaKaze | there we go |
| 04:01.08 | KaylaKaze | still can't figure out what it's supposed to be doing though |
| 04:04.04 | pupnik | to what side of your monitor is the nokia set up? |
| 04:04.43 | KaylaKaze | left |
| 04:05.07 | pupnik | ok when you move your mouse pointer to the left edge of the pc screen, does it stay there, or disappear? |
| 04:05.14 | KaylaKaze | stay there |
| 04:05.25 | pupnik | ok then it's not connecting |
| 04:05.43 | pupnik | it will disappear from your pc screen if it's set up right and connected |
| 04:05.47 | KaylaKaze | okay, now it's working |
| 04:06.05 | KaylaKaze | well, it did for a second |
| 04:07.22 | milhouse | Here's the next iPhone auction heading for a takedown - up to $1m already http://cgi.ebay.com/iPHONE-BRAND-NEW-8GB-APPLE-i-PHONE-NIB-FAST-SHIPPING_W0QQitemZ140133996651QQihZ004QQcategoryZ64355QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 04:07.36 | milhouse | actually, that's the opening bid! |
| 04:09.47 | pupnik | KaylaKaze: the thing that's not yet implemented in synergy client for maemo is 'cursor showing'. It will not show the X cursor. You have to do that manually. |
| 04:09.59 | KaylaKaze | how? |
| 04:10.14 | milhouse | off to catch some zzzz's - night all |
| 04:10.20 | KaylaKaze | right now, something's using all my nokia's cpu power |
| 04:10.30 | pupnik | there's a default cursor that's transparent on the nokia |
| 04:10.32 | pupnik | nite milhouse |
| 04:10.33 | KaylaKaze | pretty much completely locked up |
| 04:10.54 | pupnik | so what i did was copy in a curser bitmap |
| 04:11.24 | pupnik | the sad thing is i didn't find any description in a web search for how to do this |
| 04:11.28 | pupnik | it's somewhere in my notes |
| 04:12.27 | KaylaKaze | looks like I might have to pull the battery again |
| 04:13.22 | pupnik | you can type 'reboot' from a root shell also iirc |
| 04:16.04 | KaylaKaze | it's too locked up to even run reboot |
| 04:16.29 | pupnik | i wonder what that could be |
| 04:17.34 | KaylaKaze | it's working... just REALLY slowly |
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| 04:35.35 | Dr_Nunim | 2007 feels a lot like 2006. |
| 04:35.48 | Dr_Nunim | It's layed out a little nicer though. |
| 04:37.11 | Dr_Nunim | Wifi settings are a little easier. |
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| 08:41.24 | molkko | are installation instructions in some wiki where one can propose improvements to the instructions? |
| 08:41.36 | molkko | it seems to me that http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/3.1/INSTALL.txt chapter 3.2.2 5th line should be "$/scratchbox/login" not "scratchbox" , right? |
| 08:42.24 | pupnik_ | un moment |
| 08:43.13 | pupnik_ | yes |
| 08:43.29 | molkko | yes wiki or yes error |
| 08:43.43 | pupnik_ | error |
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| 08:45.13 | pupnik_ | try bora-feedback@maemo.org |
| 08:45.26 | pupnik | (i am not a nokia employee) |
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| 09:14.01 | molkko | I can e.g. wget from scratchbox meaning networking works ok but apt-get update from scratchbox throws errors like "could not resolve 'repository.maemo.org'". /etc/apt/sources.list is in order I suppose. how to debug? |
| 09:15.16 | melmoth | molkko known 'problem' |
| 09:15.33 | melmoth | double check the following in the _host_ machine (not scratchbox) |
| 09:15.39 | melmoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:15.46 | oil | could someone explain to me what is this scratchbox? |
| 09:15.55 | melmoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:16.18 | melmoth | scratchbox is a sort of chroot based 'emulator' as far as i underestand it |
| 09:16.44 | molkko | oil, see e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scratchbox |
| 09:17.22 | melmoth | argh |
| 09:17.42 | melmoth | i meant /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf and /scratbchobx/etc/nsswitch.conf :) |
| 09:18.04 | melmoth | of course, /etc/* should be ok as well, but you would not be there if it was not the case... |
| 09:18.20 | oil | molkko: thanks. and that runs on 770/n800 or on windowns/linux PC ? |
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| 09:19.05 | pupnik | on the PC |
| 09:19.20 | oil | ok. thanks. |
| 09:19.27 | pupnik | it's a cross-compilation environment that can run native ARM software via the QEMU emulator |
| 09:19.36 | oil | might be better that crashing the n800 once in a day :) |
| 09:19.43 | pupnik | so when you develop on PC, the environment looks like the nokia |
| 09:20.36 | oil | thanks for the info. I'm only doing some scripting and therefore putty and ssh are the tools for me |
| 09:21.55 | oil | btw. how much work you need to do to for example compile crontab for maemo? |
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| 09:22.07 | oil | would that take a day, week or some hours? |
| 09:22.31 | pupnik | if you have scratchbox set-up, you can apt-get source crontab and compile in a few minutes |
| 09:22.57 | oil | ah. ok. then I could have a try with that |
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| 09:23.27 | pupnik | it took me a couple of weeks to get comfortable enough with the environment and commands. but i am a slow puppy. |
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| 09:25.47 | konttori800 | morning! |
| 09:25.57 | pupnik | salut mon ami |
| 09:26.13 | molkko | i am setting up it third or fourth time but still it does not go super smoothly. always at some stage things just start to deviate from what is in the instructions and then you find yourself googling help or chatting here |
| 09:27.04 | melmoth | molkko, the most annoying things that happened here was this name resolving thingy |
| 09:27.40 | melmoth | otherwisen it went rather smoothly, twice (real machine, and then in a xen one to play on non debian based machine) |
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| 09:35.42 | oil | ok. sources.list updated. but, which packages should I install? scratchbox-core? orhers? |
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| 09:38.50 | molkko | oil, are you sure you are doing the right thing. I guess you should proceed according to this http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/3.1/INSTALL.txt |
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| 09:40.12 | zuh | There's a list of what to install in section 2.2 "Installing Scratchbox Apophis manually" |
| 09:41.15 | konttori | You know guys, I've been wondering if someone should make a utility to edit the opera ini and input ini. Sort of opera tuner. I think it would be great if it had the minimum font size, dpad direction actions, + and - button actions, iframe on/off toggle, maybe a few other. And preset buttons: Automatic performance tune, automatic general tune and default settings. |
| 09:41.32 | konttori | See discussion on ITT: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7076 |
| 09:41.57 | oil | molkko: I'll try to follow that |
| 09:42.28 | konttori | At least for me, the browsing experience is so much better now that I have minimum font size 14, disabled the scrollbars and configured dpad middle button to page down. |
| 09:44.32 | `0660 | yes you should! :) |
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| 09:53.32 | konttori | I don't think I have the time to do it right now. Too many projects. I would need a project team to help me with those. |
| 10:00.38 | `0660 | sorry, didn't notice you said someone :) |
| 10:01.13 | `0660 | but i think that would be a really popular program and quite an easy one too |
| 10:02.00 | konttori | I agree. |
| 10:02.16 | konttori | Probably would take less than 8 hours to make, test and package. |
| 10:02.51 | konttori | Probably should be made in python as it's mostly just text operations on the opera.ini file |
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| 10:32.15 | pupnik | konttori: as a quick alternative, just post an alternate opera.ini to ITT forum and let people see your changes? |
| 10:32.43 | konttori | pupnik: But most of the people can't copy it anyway. |
| 10:33.25 | pupnik | yeah |
| 10:34.15 | konttori | And I think that a tuner is better than a opera ini replacer script. |
| 10:34.37 | pupnik | sure :) Ought to be in opera options anyway. |
| 10:34.58 | pupnik | How do you scroll back up without scrollbar? oh.. duhhh. drag and pull, right/ |
| 10:39.10 | konttori | punik: agreed. It's so odd that even the minimin font size is not in the options |
| 10:39.28 | konttori | punik: yeah, and I also configured dpad up to page up. |
| 10:40.00 | konttori | the dpad is just so horrible that I can't use the dpad down to page down as I would just get cramps in my hand. |
| 10:40.45 | konttori | It's badly located and the press has to be made by the tip of the thumb instead of the middle of the thumb as with any proper dpad. |
| 10:41.12 | pupnik | yeah it's awful because the thumb accidentally can hit the enter button |
| 10:41.43 | pupnik | just a few more millimeter size on the dpad, and a slightly smaller enter button |
| 10:41.52 | pupnik | and diagonals, and slightly less resistance |
| 10:43.10 | rwhitby | konttori: can you pastebin your opera.ini here at least? |
| 10:43.36 | konttori800 | well. i can try |
| 10:45.17 | konttori | I'm no master. It's easy to modify it. |
| 10:46.18 | konttori800 | http://pastebin.ca/596991 |
| 10:46.39 | konttori | But to modify the key presses, you need to modify the input.ini. Want that too? |
| 10:46.45 | pupnik | The force is strong with this one... |
| 10:47.19 | konttori | the best browser change is the minimum font size to 14. |
| 10:49.02 | pupnik | i really like the no-scrollbar |
| 10:49.11 | konttori800 | http://pastebin.ca/596993 |
| 10:49.25 | konttori | the latter is input.ini |
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| 10:49.29 | pupnik | Thank you Obi-Wan. |
| 10:49.46 | konttori | probably not the best ini, but something that helps me get by browsing news. |
| 10:50.19 | konttori | I love the ability to press middle button to page down. So much easier to read articles as well as news sites. |
| 10:50.47 | konttori | I think that nokia should have small acceleration in the finger scroll. |
| 10:50.53 | konttori | the drag scroll I mean |
| 10:51.02 | konttori | it could be twice the finger movement. |
| 10:51.23 | konttori | that way user wouldn't have to move finger quite that much. |
| 10:51.38 | pupnik | nice idea |
| 10:51.49 | rwhitby | konttori: thx |
| 10:51.54 | konttori | np |
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| 11:19.33 | pupnik | I don't understand why the virtual keyboard doesn't generate normal X keyboard events. It would be much more compatible with non-hildon apps if it did. |
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| 11:36.43 | ttuttle_ | ericz: " On FedEx vehicle for delivery"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 11:36.57 | ericz | mine's in a nearby city |
| 11:37.05 | ttuttle_ | ericz: cool |
| 11:37.10 | ericz | " At local FedEx facility " |
| 11:37.24 | ericz | either 4 hours.. or 4 days |
| 11:38.19 | ericz | estimated delivery is still july 3rd, but i could go pick up the package and drive back home in about 45 minutes total |
| 11:41.56 | pupnik | Ok this is just about the funniest thing i've seen in ages. |
| 11:42.40 | pupnik | Originally Posted by andymulhearn: " |
| 11:42.41 | pupnik | And you're advocacy includes being offensive the people on public forums does it?" |
| 11:43.22 | pupnik | then i posted: "You're" is a contraction of "you are". "Your" indicates possession. |
| 11:43.47 | pupnik | Then andy mulhearn responds: |
| 11:43.48 | pupnik | All I can say, is I hope your programming is better than your english because you're wrong. |
| 11:43.58 | suihkulokki | haha |
| 11:44.06 | ericz | heh.. |
| 11:44.22 | pupnik | And the best part is he uses it correctly in the response. |
| 11:44.24 | ericz | he did get "you're wrong" right, at least |
| 11:44.51 | pupnik | He used it correctly three times in the last sentence which negates his last sentence. |
| 11:45.25 | pupnik | I better not respond to that :) |
| 11:45.59 | pupnik | heh "I'd better" :P |
| 11:46.40 | pupnik | If you have to explain a joke, you kind-of ruin it. |
| 11:53.20 | ericz | ttuttle_, On FedEx vehicle for delivery |
| 11:53.50 | ericz | ttuttle_, betchya i get mine first :P |
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| 12:05.13 | ttuttle_ | ericz: :-b I'll race 'ya. |
| 12:05.16 | ttuttle_ | ericz: No, not yet. |
| 12:05.19 | ericz | haha |
| 12:05.29 | ericz | im betting i'll get mine by noon |
| 12:06.58 | ericz | ive got a wml/wap page i made that search this tracking page so i can view it on my crappy ancient phone, i was checking it constantly last night |
| 12:07.32 | ericz | need my tablet, so i can do stuff like that without needing to make a php script to convert stuff to wml! |
| 12:07.39 | inz | =) |
| 12:10.34 | ericz | i'm so lazy, i'm worrying about typing out my long wpa key.. |
| 12:11.08 | ericz | maybe if i put it on a web page to copy/paste.. and use some open wireless somewhere to get to the page |
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| 12:42.47 | MoRpHeUz | anybody here from Oulu ? |
| 12:53.27 | zuh | ericz: Wouldn't that make the authentication key a bit worthless?-) |
| 12:53.40 | ericz | i mean, i'd take it down after copying it :p |
| 12:53.47 | ericz | i just don't want to type it out |
| 12:54.39 | zuh | So rather than typing it in, you'll spend even more time on hackery to be able to copy paste :) |
| 12:54.54 | ericz | i really would |
| 12:55.31 | zuh | Btw, the browser has incredibly difficult selection method, so you'll likely tap more times on the screen trying to select the text than what it would take to write it... |
| 12:55.52 | ericz | ah |
| 12:56.01 | ericz | maybe i should just type it out, like normal people |
| 12:56.46 | zuh | I'd recommend it, at least over trying to double-tap-and-drag just right in the browser |
| 13:01.23 | ericz | in opera on the 770, is there a thing for a proxy in settings? |
| 13:02.39 | zuh | It's a global setting, trough the swamp of connectivity dialogs |
| 13:03.11 | ericz | ah, k |
| 13:03.53 | ericz | sounds like people seem to have trouble finding dialogs or configuring things? are the menus really unorganized? |
| 13:04.56 | zuh | I'm just overly negative when it comes to 4-level deep hierachies of dialogs :P |
| 13:05.10 | ericz | ah. understandable |
| 13:05.25 | ericz | navigating via stylus only enhances the fun |
| 13:06.06 | zuh | oh, that part is ok, I like poking the screen. |
| 13:06.20 | ericz | i can see my screen being all dented in a year or two |
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| 13:06.44 | ericz | all dented only on the keys for my password, that'd be great |
| 13:06.46 | pupnik | my 770 still looks great, and i'm very rough on hardware |
| 13:06.59 | pupnik | used a pen, lighter, fingernails as a stylus |
| 13:07.26 | zuh | Mine has already lost some sensitivity... But I've given it to my <5 year olds to draw with so I guess I'm to blame ;) |
| 13:07.35 | ericz | i broke a stylus that came with some cheapy walmart pda ($10?) i got one time |
| 13:07.40 | zuh | (my N800 that is) |
| 13:08.05 | ericz | pushed too hard, stylus just snapped in half |
| 13:09.33 | ericz | i shoved it back in the hole too i think, the bottom half is still stuck in there |
| 13:11.59 | `0660 | i'm glad the stylus breaks before the screen :) |
| 13:12.18 | ericz | n770 comes with an extra stylus, right? |
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| 13:14.22 | `0660 | i'm not sure about that |
| 13:14.36 | `0660 | at least n800 does |
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| 13:24.31 | pcfe | ericz: yes, the 770 comes with a spare stylus (at least mine did) |
| 13:24.53 | ericz | pcfe, ah, thanks |
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| 13:51.09 | Niacin | mine didnt |
| 13:51.12 | Niacin | ;\ |
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| 13:52.43 | brlancer | I lost my treo stylus for a while |
| 13:52.58 | brlancer | a drink stirrer I grabbed at a bar was the perfect size |
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| 13:56.25 | pupnik | nice - a little rough on the edges perhaps |
| 13:56.29 | ericz | couldn't fedex, ya know, change Expected delivery date on the tracking page when it says it's on the truck for delivery? |
| 13:58.07 | brlancer | ericz: they could but they have no incentive to |
| 13:58.17 | ericz | it's on the truck for delivery for 3 hours, and it still says i should expect delivery on july 3rd :P |
| 13:58.24 | ericz | oh well. |
| 13:58.39 | ericz | would be too convenient for them to make sense, i guess |
| 13:58.49 | brlancer | ericz: and what if they don't deliver it today? |
| 14:00.26 | ericz | it's on the truck |
| 14:00.33 | ericz | i doubt they drive around for days on end |
| 14:00.41 | ericz | 4 days even.. |
| 14:01.01 | Niacin | anyone got doom working on os.2007 hacker ? |
| 14:02.47 | brlancer | ericz: they won't deliver it on sunday |
| 14:02.59 | brlancer | they likely won't deliver it on saturday |
| 14:03.21 | brlancer | and if they set an expectation ("We're delivering it today!") and then don't do it, you'd get even more snippy than you are now |
| 14:03.29 | brlancer | it's about meeting or exceeding expectations |
| 14:03.51 | brlancer | maybe it's on a truck that's sitting around until monday |
| 14:03.54 | brlancer | maybe they don't like you |
| 14:04.07 | brlancer | but unless you paid for them to deliver it today, chill out |
| 14:04.32 | ericz | :P i'm too impatient for online shopping |
| 14:04.59 | Niacin | ya me too |
| 14:05.04 | Niacin | i bought my 3 streets down for $249 |
| 14:05.09 | Niacin | i think woot had it for like $129 |
| 14:05.23 | ericz | yeah, 129 |
| 14:05.39 | Niacin | but i got it straight away :) |
| 14:06.08 | ericz | buy.com sold it the next day for a little bit more than 129, but with google checkout as a new user, you'd have gotten $10 off, and it'd been cheaper |
| 14:06.16 | ericz | wonder if that would have shipped faster |
| 14:06.37 | ericz | probably not. |
| 14:06.41 | Niacin | has there been any other ports |
| 14:06.49 | Niacin | on the 770? |
| 14:06.53 | Niacin | like *BSD |
| 14:08.20 | brlancer | Niacin: people still port things to BSD? ;) |
| 14:09.07 | trevarthan | hello. is there a ~/.bashrc equivalent in maemo? |
| 14:09.47 | Niacin | you mean port BSD to things? ya |
| 14:09.55 | Niacin | i'm more interested in Minix :> |
| 14:10.01 | Niacin | i'm one of the developers |
| 14:11.00 | trevarthan | nm, stupid question |
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| 14:12.28 | Sho_ | trevarthan: Busybox' shell is called "ash", so you probably want to look up the docs for that |
| 14:12.29 | trevarthan | already did. thanks |
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| 15:02.46 | Blacksitox | hi |
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| 15:10.24 | konttori | Have you guys laready seen the first engadged videos on iphone? http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/30/iphone-first-hands-on-video/ |
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| 15:12.42 | Sho_ | konttori: well, at least flash 7 is better than no flash at all ;) |
| 15:13.40 | konttori | True. otoh: flash is really not usable imho. |
| 15:16.00 | Blacksitox | hello ! |
| 15:16.04 | Blacksitox | Where can I download that actualization software? I don't want to connect it to internet from my PC. I just want to install it from my PC |
| 15:16.08 | Blacksitox | :( |
| 15:16.24 | Blacksitox | Im used windows XP :\ |
| 15:16.47 | Dr_Nunim | actualization software? |
| 15:16.59 | Blacksitox | yes |
| 15:17.11 | `0660 | cool. i want one too :) |
| 15:17.26 | Dr_Nunim | what's actualization software? |
| 15:17.36 | `0660 | i don't know but it sounds cool |
| 15:17.43 | `0660 | and useful |
| 15:17.50 | Dr_Nunim | And non existant? |
| 15:17.50 | Dr_Nunim | :o |
| 15:17.57 | `0660 | also that :/ |
| 15:18.02 | gwak_ | anybody know the ident strings for the iphone browser? it would be great to see if this site renders on the n800 http://reader.mac.com/ |
| 15:18.24 | Dr_Nunim | Probably the same as safari |
| 15:18.37 | Dr_Nunim | I would like them to have their own. |
| 15:18.44 | Dr_Nunim | That way I could make my website no iphones allowed. |
| 15:19.07 | gwak_ | ;-] |
| 15:19.22 | Dr_Nunim | And you can't modify it on the iphone muhaha |
| 15:19.23 | Dr_Nunim | :o |
| 15:19.36 | gwak_ | nope, tried it with Safari on a mac |
| 15:19.48 | Dr_Nunim | Course no one goes to my website so it doesn't matter :) |
| 15:19.56 | Dr_Nunim | Then you need to find someone with an iphone. |
| 15:22.18 | gwak_ | got it :"Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU like Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/420+ (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.0 Mobile/1A542a Safari/419.3" from http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2007/06/18/Visit-From-iPhone |
| 15:22.41 | gwak_ | but i guess there is no way to adjust the agent string for Opera |
| 15:24.50 | `0660 | interesting that the cpu is like mac os x :) |
| 15:25.47 | gwak_ | man OS-X is one hell of a OS and apparently CPU |
| 15:26.40 | c0ffee | i think that means that the os is called CPU |
| 15:26.43 | c0ffee | and is like Mac OS X |
| 15:27.11 | `0660 | oh |
| 15:27.30 | `0660 | nice name for the os |
| 15:28.03 | `0660 | what does that "U" mean? |
| 15:29.41 | c0ffee | that's the encryption strength supported |
| 15:29.42 | Niacin | i would buy one |
| 15:29.48 | Niacin | but who wants to go on cingular ;\ |
| 15:29.57 | c0ffee | U means USA |
| 15:30.00 | c0ffee | I international |
| 15:30.14 | gwak_ | the OS-X enabled iPods sounds interesting |
| 15:31.26 | gwak_ | grrr now i get past the first window from reader.mac.com |
| 15:31.52 | gwak_ | but now it says "if youd like to view an RSS feed, just enter the feed URL directly into Safari's address bar' |
| 15:32.05 | Dr_Nunim | that sounds like a pain |
| 15:32.52 | gwak_ | i guess the address bar will append a variable onto the URL |
| 15:32.57 | Dr_Nunim | I've got cingular. |
| 15:33.12 | Dr_Nunim | but I can't get that $20/unlimited data plan because I have a smart phone. |
| 15:33.18 | Dr_Nunim | Which is bad. |
| 15:33.25 | Dr_Nunim | Not even 3G. |
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| 15:37.38 | Sulis | i'd love to have an unlimited data plan, would just make the n800 so much more useful |
| 15:37.54 | Dr_Nunim | hrm |
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| 15:47.47 | KaylaKaze | what size are wallpapers for maemo? every image I pick it says it doens't have enough memory to load |
| 15:49.55 | zuh | 780x480 is the area I think |
| 15:50.00 | zuh | err, 720 |
| 15:51.00 | KaylaKaze | is there a linux command that works like dir where it shows file sizes and directory sizes? |
| 15:51.23 | KaylaKaze | ls doesn't show me that info and it's --help isn't helpful |
| 15:52.04 | zuh | ls -l |
| 15:52.13 | Niacin | i have been trying to hook my 770 up to my company black berry |
| 15:52.15 | Niacin | so i can use the net; \ |
| 15:55.49 | jga23 | is there any way to dynamically determine if the user is using maemo vs a different os and load libraries accordingly? I want to make an app that works both on windows and my n800 |
| 15:56.01 | KaylaKaze | ah, here we go. a "backgrounds" directory |
| 15:58.51 | ericz | my poor 770 has been on a delivery truck for over 5 hours, i can just see it being fried in this hot weather :( |
| 16:02.55 | KaylaKaze | ah... you have to make sure it's a png and not jpeg if you set a bg |
| 16:07.18 | KaylaKaze | I enjoy mine much more now that I can ssh in |
| 16:07.41 | Dr_Nunim | eh, being able to ssh out is better. |
| 16:07.42 | KaylaKaze | though programs still crash all the time. may be a memory thing |
| 16:07.49 | Dr_Nunim | did you setup swap? |
| 16:07.55 | KaylaKaze | not enough space |
| 16:08.03 | Dr_Nunim | why not? |
| 16:08.15 | Dr_Nunim | thats the first thing I did with my 64mb free memory card. |
| 16:08.29 | KaylaKaze | but I am now anyway, even though I'll lose what little space on my card I have |
| 16:08.45 | Dr_Nunim | easy fix, empty the card :) |
| 16:09.20 | KaylaKaze | yeah, but then I don't have the files I need the extra memory to opem :-) |
| 16:10.03 | KaylaKaze | if I can get something like samba or nfs working though, it won't be as big a problem |
| 16:11.58 | *** join/#maemo ttuttle (n=tom@pdpc/supporter/student/gentoo.contributor.ttuttle) |
| 16:12.03 | ttuttle | ericz: IT'S HERE! |
| 16:12.05 | ttuttle | ericz: IT'S HERE! |
| 16:12.07 | ttuttle | ericz: IT'S HERE! |
| 16:12.13 | ttuttle | !!!!! |
| 16:13.46 | ericz | no fair :P |
| 16:13.50 | Dr_Nunim | lol |
| 16:14.13 | Dr_Nunim | Odd how I got mine all the way in south Florida a day early |
| 16:14.23 | ttuttle | Dr_Nunim: South FL is closer to TX than MA. |
| 16:14.24 | Dr_Nunim | when people who lived closer to central still didn't get theirs yet. |
| 16:14.25 | ericz | mine's been on a truck for 5 hours |
| 16:14.44 | ttuttle | Dr_Nunim: Oh. Such is the chaos of FedEx. |
| 16:14.44 | Dr_Nunim | Mine was here by 10:30 |
| 16:14.50 | Dr_Nunim | Yeah I like UPS |
| 16:14.52 | KaylaKaze | even with a whole chunk of VM I still can't open comic books |
| 16:14.56 | Dr_Nunim | FedEx tracking system is terrible. |
| 16:15.23 | ericz | 7:44 AM On FedEx vehicle for delivery |
| 16:15.32 | ericz | it's 12:15 damn :/ |
| 16:16.00 | Dr_Nunim | So? |
| 16:16.06 | Dr_Nunim | They don't start delivering till about 9. |
| 16:16.29 | Dr_Nunim | My experience with FedEx saturday tells me it'll usually come later in the day. |
| 16:16.31 | ericz | and im at the far end of town, probably last on the route |
| 16:16.31 | ttuttle | Dr_Nunim: Yeah, they gotta have their Krispy Kremes and double tall mocha lattes with lite whip. |
| 16:16.32 | Dr_Nunim | Say 2-3 |
| 16:16.39 | Dr_Nunim | mmm Krispy Kreme. |
| 16:17.31 | ericz | at least im *supposedly* getting it today, rather than tuesday like it says |
| 16:17.38 | Dr_Nunim | :) |
| 16:17.45 | Dr_Nunim | I don't get my memory card until Monday :( |
| 16:18.35 | ericz | i wish it took sd cards :P i have a bunch. |
| 16:19.11 | Dr_Nunim | If it took SD I could have ninja'd the one from my wii or from my DS until a new one cmae. |
| 16:19.14 | Dr_Nunim | came. |
| 16:20.27 | ericz | AH! im going crazy waiting for this thing |
| 16:20.54 | ttuttle | ericz: It's totally worth the insanity. |
| 16:20.58 | ttuttle | ericz: You're gonna love it. |
| 16:21.01 | ericz | everytime i hear anything even remotely sounding like a large vehicle, i look out the window |
| 16:21.04 | ericz | or open the door |
| 16:21.44 | ttuttle | ericz: Me too. |
| 16:22.29 | KaylaKaze | looks like the only books I'll be able to read on my 770 are pure text |
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| 16:23.47 | KaylaKaze | I was waiting all day yesterday for the fedex guy, then around 4, checked the tracking and it said the bastard had dropped it off at my rental office without coming by my appartment |
| 16:24.35 | ericz | sounds like what the pizza guys do at the low-income apartments nearby here |
| 16:24.57 | KaylaKaze | well, I wouldn't have even known had I not checked the tracking |
| 16:25.15 | ericz | the office would've called you eventually :P |
| 16:27.04 | ericz | ttuttle, so, does it fit in your pocket? |
| 16:28.04 | ttuttle | ericz: Yes. |
| 16:28.12 | ttuttle | ericz: it's a little long though. |
| 16:28.17 | ericz | ah |
| 16:28.25 | ttuttle | ericz: It's potentially cooler than the iPhone, and far cheaper. |
| 16:28.45 | *** join/#maemo kakos (n=kakos@ucb-np1-137.colorado.edu) |
| 16:28.46 | ericz | maybe woot will do the iphone tomorrow |
| 16:28.50 | ericz | :P |
| 16:28.53 | ttuttle | ericz: Yeah, I bet. </sarcasm> |
| 16:29.10 | lardman | I see Jazelle is covered by a US patent: http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/7089539-fulltext.html |
| 16:29.21 | ttuttle | lardman: /me bitches about that. Jazelle's cool though. |
| 16:29.40 | lardman | Unfortunately, I can only find one of the figures for the patent, is this usual for the online sites? |
| 16:30.05 | ttuttle | lardman: google.com/patents FTW. |
| 16:30.29 | ericz | too anxious to use bathroom, must.. guard.. door |
| 16:30.53 | lardman | Associated with Jazelle, is it possible to alter the exception vector for illegal instruction (i.e. alter memory at 0x04 or 0xfff0004) from a user program? |
| 16:31.01 | lardman | ttuttle: I'll have a look there |
| 16:31.50 | suihkulokki | ooh, public documentation on how jazelle works :) |
| 16:32.04 | lardman | http://www.google.com/patents?id=iMt6AAAAEBAJ&dq=7089539 |
| 16:32.07 | lardman | nice :) |
| 16:32.07 | ttuttle | ericz: Please... don't pee yourself before the FedEx guy shows up, it's not nice. |
| 16:32.16 | ttuttle | ericz: Use a bottle if you have to :-b |
| 16:33.00 | ericz | he'd sure have a story to tell if i came to the door soaked |
| 16:33.14 | ericz | or was dancing around while trying to sign my name |
| 16:33.19 | ttuttle | ericz: lol |
| 16:34.20 | ericz | AAHH fedex has no idea what they're doing to me |
| 16:34.32 | Dr_Nunim | Fedex guy had a story to tell when he helped me unload around 80 boxes from his truck lol. |
| 16:35.00 | ericz | by the time i get it, ill have lost tons of brain function and have no knowledge of linux [much less hand eye coordination] left |
| 16:35.09 | Dr_Nunim | lol |
| 16:36.03 | Dr_Nunim | I like using my office depot brand mechanical pencil as a stylus better then the built in one. |
| 16:36.08 | Dr_Nunim | or provided rather |
| 16:36.22 | ericz | i always thought a golf tee would be a perfect stylus |
| 16:36.33 | ttuttle | ericz: lol |
| 16:36.38 | ericz | maybe file the end down a bit though, so it's not too sharp |
| 16:36.45 | Dr_Nunim | They're not comfortable to hold. |
| 16:36.47 | Dr_Nunim | To skinny. |
| 16:36.53 | ericz | but you could stand it up on your desk from the top |
| 16:36.54 | lardman | Anyone know how/whether gdb is able to trap exceptions? |
| 16:38.32 | ericz | i'm definently going to be all jittery and look like i've just injected caffeine when i answer the door |
| 16:38.50 | ericz | :( if only it would come!! |
| 16:39.34 | ttuttle | ericz: lol |
| 16:39.39 | ttuttle | ericz: Did you hear something?! |
| 16:39.45 | ttuttle | lol |
| 16:40.04 | ericz | i need motion detectors or something at the end of the street |
| 16:40.12 | Dr_Nunim | I find 2007 to be a little faster then 2006 as well as have a little more refined interface. |
| 16:40.16 | ericz | when is woot going to sell motion detectors |
| 16:40.44 | zuh | *ding-dong* |
| 16:40.49 | Dr_Nunim | lol |
| 16:40.51 | ericz | haha |
| 16:40.56 | ttuttle | ericz: Yeah. |
| 16:40.59 | ttuttle | zuh: lol |
| 16:41.00 | Dr_Nunim | What if they just leave it and don't ring the doorbell? |
| 16:41.06 | ericz | ill hear. |
| 16:41.27 | Dr_Nunim | They've done that to me before. |
| 16:41.30 | ericz | they're trucks aren't exactly silent |
| 16:41.35 | ericz | their* |
| 16:41.40 | Dr_Nunim | yeah but I'll have tv on or such. |
| 16:42.39 | zuh | Delivery people are usually keen to have the delivery signed off so they can say "look here, it *was* delivered" |
| 16:42.44 | ericz | ttuttle, did yours come charged? |
| 16:42.49 | ttuttle | Dr_Nunim: They do that all the time. One time they rang it and two seconds later I opened the door. |
| 16:42.58 | Dr_Nunim | Yeah they love to ring and run. |
| 16:43.00 | ttuttle | ericz: About half. It turned on, but I plugged it in a little while later anyway. |
| 16:43.02 | Dr_Nunim | It comes with a little charge. |
| 16:43.03 | ttuttle | Dr_Nunim: Losers. |
| 16:43.06 | Dr_Nunim | Since it's lithium ion. |
| 16:43.13 | Dr_Nunim | but it recharges fairly fast. |
| 16:43.27 | ericz | UPS here, they ring, and by the time i get to the door, i see the back end of the truck heading down the street |
| 16:43.38 | ttuttle | ericz: Yeah. |
| 16:44.27 | Dr_Nunim | I like UPS better. |
| 16:44.31 | Dr_Nunim | but the worst is DHL by far. |
| 16:44.45 | ttuttle | Dr_Nunim: Yeah, they're lame. |
| 16:44.47 | Dr_Nunim | I had an international certified packaged that required a signature. |
| 16:44.51 | ttuttle | Dr_Nunim: I don't think I've ever used them. |
| 16:45.20 | Dr_Nunim | They clearly lost the package, then tried to tell me they left it in my mailbox(which is a felony) and then tried to trick my roomate into signing that she recieved it. |
| 16:45.34 | Dr_Nunim | Then they wouldn't refund the full amount of my item and it was a huge hassle. |
| 16:46.27 | ericz | fedex trucks need gps so i can track *actual* where-a-bouts of my package! |
| 16:46.33 | ttuttle | ericz: YES! |
| 16:46.40 | ericz | i want to go chase it down when it enters the neighborhood |
| 16:46.41 | ttuttle | ericz: With a second-by-second countdown. |
| 16:46.49 | ttuttle | ericz: lol |
| 16:46.54 | ttuttle | ericz: They won't give it to you. |
| 16:47.06 | KaylaKaze | this pdf viewer isn't too bad for files that are mostly text with a few 2 color pictures |
| 16:47.11 | Dr_Nunim | I saw a DHL guy go into a blockbuster once, he forgot the package in the truck because he was too busy on his cellphone. |
| 16:47.14 | ericz | equivalent to black box in a plane, gas mileage, how much gas left, average speed, odometer reading, background check/history of driver. |
| 16:47.32 | ericz | i want my package safe :P |
| 16:48.21 | ericz | online live webcam of what's going down in both the back and front of truck.. |
| 16:52.48 | ttuttle | Anyone here use Canola? |
| 16:53.05 | ttuttle | I'm looking for a good replacement for the stock Video Player. |
| 16:53.12 | ericz | i really need something to do to get mind off of fedex's slowness :/ |
| 16:53.13 | Dr_Nunim | ericz, pay for the rollout costs. |
| 16:53.18 | Dr_Nunim | Play a game? |
| 16:53.25 | Dr_Nunim | Collect your needed materials? |
| 16:53.32 | Dr_Nunim | More research? |
| 16:53.56 | ericz | sit on the steps and wait? |
| 16:54.12 | Dr_Nunim | Get a yoyo? |
| 16:54.20 | ericz | i have a broken one |
| 16:54.28 | Dr_Nunim | Mend it. |
| 16:54.33 | ttuttle | ericz: Carve one out of your own despair? |
| 16:54.43 | ericz | heh |
| 16:54.54 | ttuttle | ericz: Howl at the moon? |
| 16:55.00 | ericz | it's not out :( |
| 16:55.01 | Dr_Nunim | Well I'm going out for a bit. |
| 16:55.09 | Dr_Nunim | I think I'll take my 770 with me for wireless access |
| 16:55.12 | Dr_Nunim | mmm wireless |
| 16:55.17 | ttuttle | Dr_Nunim: Awesome! |
| 16:55.23 | ericz | rub it in my face more, please |
| 16:55.26 | ttuttle | Dr_Nunim: (Don't be mean to ericz.) |
| 16:55.28 | Dr_Nunim | It's hard :p |
| 16:55.36 | ericz | haha |
| 16:55.57 | ttuttle | Dr_Nunim: lol |
| 16:56.01 | ericz | kk, ill tell you wpa when you come by |
| 16:56.07 | Dr_Nunim | Like when I got my Wii some guy drove by with a ps3 and a wii on his roof. |
| 16:56.11 | Dr_Nunim | WPA? :( |
| 16:56.16 | Dr_Nunim | Get some wep please. |
| 16:56.18 | ttuttle | ericz: You could paint a wardriving hobo sign on your house. |
| 16:56.36 | ttuttle | WPA is for crazy people and businesses. |
| 16:56.50 | ericz | im on the path to craziness |
| 16:56.54 | ericz | so it's appropriate |
| 16:56.54 | Dr_Nunim | I can't use WPA |
| 16:56.58 | ttuttle | ericz: ok |
| 16:57.18 | Dr_Nunim | WEP, macfiltering, no dhcp and ssid broadcast off is the best I can do. |
| 16:57.32 | Dr_Nunim | Silly NDS |
| 16:57.36 | ericz | i already have my router's admin page open so i can add my 770 to the mac filter and static dhcp page |
| 16:58.04 | ericz | has been open since the thing's been on the truck |
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| 17:07.49 | KaylaKaze | grrr... I cna't get php on maemo to write to files |
| 17:08.23 | ttuttle | ericz: lol |
| 17:08.46 | ericz | watch it be destroyed from the probably 100 degree temperatures in the truck :P |
| 17:11.28 | ttuttle | ericz: Nah, it won't be. |
| 17:11.52 | ericz | fell out of truck/got ran over |
| 17:11.57 | ericz | </pessimism> |
| 17:13.07 | KaylaKaze | it says the folder is writable... so why not the file!? |
| 17:16.29 | ericz | reading wikipedia is really helping me relax, but everytime i look at the clock i get all tense and anxious |
| 17:17.22 | KaylaKaze | ah! got it! |
| 17:17.41 | KaylaKaze | now to figure out how to get nginx to use php... |
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| 17:26.59 | ttuttle | ericz: Oh, calm down. It'll get there. |
| 17:27.09 | ericz | eventually |
| 17:27.16 | ttuttle | ericz: My brother's got there earlier than FedEx said. It said Monday, but this morning it said it was out for delivery. |
| 17:27.16 | ericz | but i wanted it a week ago :P |
| 17:29.11 | ericz | mine says tuesday,but it's been out for delivery over 6 hours |
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| 17:33.23 | KaylaKaze | row I need to figure out how to get nginx/php to run as root so I can do file access.. |
| 17:43.05 | ericz | got it. |
| 17:43.07 | ericz | finally. |
| 17:43.54 | KaylaKaze | ho do I assign permissions for a certain user? |
| 17:45.30 | ericz | screen does look pretty crazy |
| 17:46.40 | ttuttle | ericz: YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 17:46.49 | ericz | boy, does woot know how to advertise |
| 17:46.52 | ericz | right on the side of the box |
| 17:46.55 | ttuttle | ericz: Yeah. lol |
| 17:47.13 | ericz | mine looks pixelated |
| 17:47.20 | ericz | like i see tons of rainbow-ish dots |
| 17:47.23 | ttuttle | ericz: Yeah, they're sorta sparkly. |
| 17:47.27 | ttuttle | ericz: That's normal. |
| 17:47.49 | ttuttle | ericz: (Sorry. :-b) |
| 17:48.48 | ericz | the keys arent really identified |
| 17:49.52 | ericz | time to type wpa key |
| 17:50.45 | ttuttle | ericz: You can flood ping it and the audio only skips occasionally. |
| 17:50.54 | ericz | uh ok |
| 17:51.11 | ericz | holy shit man |
| 17:51.15 | ericz | typing this wpa key |
| 17:51.18 | ericz | is going to take a whil |
| 17:51.22 | ttuttle | ericz: Yeah. Turn off Caps Lock. |
| 17:51.30 | ericz | i need it for some letters |
| 17:51.37 | ericz | i mean, its alphanumeric, caps/num everything |
| 17:51.42 | ericz | 49 characters |
| 17:51.44 | ttuttle | ericz: Oh. Well that's dumb. |
| 17:51.45 | ericz | ill be here for hours |
| 17:51.59 | KaylaKaze | can anyone tell me how to make user "www-data" able to have read/write access to all files (including make new ones) in "/var/www-data"? Or should I use "/home/www-data"? |
| 17:53.10 | ericz | does it really have to mask the characters |
| 17:53.13 | ericz | i lose my place. |
| 17:53.24 | ttuttle | ericz: lol |
| 17:53.31 | ttuttle | ericz: Mail it here, I'll enter it for you. |
| 17:53.43 | ericz | heh |
| 17:55.03 | ttuttle | ericz: OH MAN OH MAN OH MAN THIS ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 17:55.13 | KaylaKaze | ah! there we go. I chowned it to www-data |
| 17:56.43 | ericz | fucking, i typed it wrong |
| 17:56.46 | ericz | this is bullshit~~@!#~!@$~!@ |
| 17:56.51 | KaylaKaze | hehehe |
| 17:56.56 | ttuttle | ericz: lol |
| 17:57.00 | KaylaKaze | you'll get used to the onscreen keyboard |
| 17:57.00 | ericz | ugh |
| 17:57.13 | ttuttle | ericz: My brother thought his WiFi is broken until he finally listened to me the tenth time I told him to check the WEP key. |
| 17:57.35 | KaylaKaze | I should turn my WEP back on. I shut it down 'cause I was having trouble connecting |
| 17:57.48 | ericz | im about to kill all encryption |
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| 17:57.53 | suihkulokki | ericz: write the wpa key to textfile, and copy-paste it to the password dialog |
| 17:57.56 | KaylaKaze | (turned out I had locked down the router to only allow the 2 devices I already had) |
| 17:58.05 | ericz | k. |
| 17:58.20 | suihkulokki | that's what I use to workaround masking.. |
| 17:58.55 | ericz | now it cant FIND my connection |
| 17:59.35 | ttuttle | ericz: lol |
| 17:59.42 | ttuttle | ericz: is your ESSID masked? (please say no) |
| 17:59.46 | ericz | noo |
| 17:59.51 | ericz | i typed the wpa key right actually |
| 17:59.54 | ericz | i killed mac filtering |
| 17:59.57 | ericz | and its working now |
| 18:00.28 | KaylaKaze | is there an ftp server for maemo? |
| 18:02.19 | ericz | ugh i could murder dd-wrt devs |
| 18:02.21 | ericz | is there a quick/easy way to clear the text field |
| 18:03.35 | ericz | im an idiot, wondering why it wasnt making the click noise anymore, my hands over the speaker |
| 18:03.43 | KaylaKaze | hehehe |
| 18:03.54 | KaylaKaze | you should have been able to feel the click noise then |
| 18:06.33 | ericz | bleh, i cant sit here holding it |
| 18:06.37 | ericz | need to use stands :P |
| 18:07.54 | Dr_Nunim | Yours get here yet? |
| 18:08.01 | ericz | yeah. |
| 18:08.18 | Dr_Nunim | Were you all shaky when they rang the door bell? |
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| 18:08.23 | Dr_Nunim | like GIMME MY PRECIOUS!! |
| 18:08.31 | Dr_Nunim | Golloumesqe? |
| 18:08.33 | ericz | the girl didnt notice |
| 18:08.38 | ericz | had ipod on, didnt care |
| 18:08.42 | ericz | didnt even look at me really |
| 18:08.45 | Dr_Nunim | Was she some hot sexy fedex girl? |
| 18:08.48 | ericz | no |
| 18:08.49 | Dr_Nunim | :( |
| 18:08.55 | Dr_Nunim | I never had a female driver. |
| 18:09.03 | Dr_Nunim | I always get this black guy who helps me carry stuff. |
| 18:09.23 | ericz | this was a black girl |
| 18:09.38 | ericz | she had two packages, and im like all confused, only one was for me.. |
| 18:09.52 | Dr_Nunim | lies take them both |
| 18:10.09 | ericz | neighbors was other i guess |
| 18:10.26 | Dr_Nunim | Were they both 770s? |
| 18:10.27 | Dr_Nunim | Ah. |
| 18:10.40 | suihkulokki | UPS is better than fedex: http://fistagon.org/~janne/public/UPS_girl.jpg |
| 18:12.16 | ericz | ups driver here is a woman, but she's got to be able to qualify for social security, and has to weigh more than all the packages she's ever carried combined |
| 18:12.22 | trevarthan | Is it possible to use Trac on maemo garage? ViewCVS or whatever it's using now sucks. |
| 18:12.44 | trevarthan | Can I install Trac and use it for my project on garage? |
| 18:13.44 | ttuttle | ericz: lol |
| 18:13.51 | ericz | so how do i get gaim |
| 18:14.50 | Dr_Nunim | I don't think I have had a female ups driver either. |
| 18:14.57 | ericz | im on aim via gizmo, but that's not good enough |
| 18:15.15 | Dr_Nunim | get pidgin |
| 18:15.18 | trevarthan | ericz: use the application manager. |
| 18:15.19 | Dr_Nunim | It's superior! |
| 18:15.45 | Dr_Nunim | I'm writing a list of must have along with install files for them for the new woot 770 owners |
| 18:18.30 | Dr_Nunim | Most people on woot can't seem to comprehend linux it seems. |
| 18:18.30 | Dr_Nunim | or simple directions. |
| 18:18.30 | ericz | i use linux :P but this is.. really new to me |
| 18:20.27 | Dr_Nunim | and then I'll sell it as a book and make billions! |
| 18:20.28 | Dr_Nunim | muahaha |
| 18:20.57 | Dr_Nunim | http://www.virtual-laser-keyboard.com/ <---- I really want of these but they cost more then the tablet :p |
| 18:21.29 | Dr_Nunim | perhaps theres a hong kong knockoff |
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| 18:27.55 | ericz | i suck at tihs |
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| 18:28.01 | ericz | how does the stand go on lol |
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| 18:35.40 | Dr_Nunim | ... |
| 18:35.49 | Dr_Nunim | Seriously that was the most tricky part imo |
| 18:36.05 | Dr_Nunim | http://mg.pov.lt/nokia770-stand.jpg |
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| 18:36.40 | zuh | The 770 stand is really not designed for tapping in the upper corners :) |
| 18:37.44 | Dr_Nunim | it doesn't hold it very well |
| 18:37.48 | Dr_Nunim | at least now with the case on |
| 18:41.11 | KaylaKaze | anyone have experience mounting cifs shares? |
| 18:41.23 | KaylaKaze | I keep getting "bad file descriptor" when I try |
| 18:41.52 | zuh | You can make it more robust by not using them in the crossed setup, but instead putting some cardboard or something in the slots so that it is more rectangular and supports the 770 better |
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| 18:47.26 | KaylaKaze | ... apparently, even though I can install Samba, the kernal doesn't support them... |
| 18:47.37 | Dr_Nunim | You need to flash the kernel. |
| 18:48.37 | ericz | so how do i edit repositories to install gaim |
| 18:49.10 | KaylaKaze | I'd rather not. I'd rather get cifs to mount |
| 18:49.10 | Dr_Nunim | Install the ones on the pidgin site. |
| 18:49.29 | Dr_Nunim | You're going to have to flash the kernel anyway if you want faster memory card support. |
| 18:50.39 | ericz | i keeepp ttyppingg likkee tthhiss |
| 18:51.14 | KaylaKaze | I don't even know what I'd flash it with. I've never seen a file for flashing |
| 18:51.26 | KaylaKaze | I've seen the program, but never the rom |
| 18:51.31 | KaylaKaze | or whatever you'd call it |
| 18:51.33 | Dr_Nunim | http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/ |
| 18:51.45 | trevarthan | me too. it's a flaw of the screen driver or the kb. |
| 18:52.22 | ericz | i just got a popuo. |
| 18:52.24 | ericz | popup. |
| 18:52.52 | KaylaKaze | that page makes no sense at all |
| 18:52.57 | Dr_Nunim | What do you mean? |
| 18:53.00 | Dr_Nunim | Get the kernel you want |
| 18:53.01 | Dr_Nunim | flash |
| 18:53.11 | KaylaKaze | there are no kernels, just patches |
| 18:53.38 | KaylaKaze | unless they're full kernels patched |
| 18:53.43 | KaylaKaze | in which case they should say so |
| 18:53.44 | ericz | aahhh i want to install gaim :( what do i do |
| 18:54.13 | Dr_Nunim | http://handhelds.org/~fanoush/maemo/modules-2.6.16.27-omap1.tar.gz |
| 18:54.19 | Dr_Nunim | The proper modules. |
| 18:55.07 | KaylaKaze | proper modules for what? speak english |
| 18:55.15 | KaylaKaze | fucking linux |
| 18:55.28 | KaylaKaze | biggest overhyped POS operating system ever made |
| 18:56.13 | Dr_Nunim | overhyped? |
| 18:56.17 | Dr_Nunim | dat would be vista |
| 18:56.23 | ericz | any OS sucks on a tablet :P |
| 18:56.30 | ericz | linux rocks in like.. real life |
| 18:57.30 | trevarthan | you guys suck. maemo is awesome. |
| 18:57.50 | KaylaKaze | there's still no smbfs support in the moduiles you told me to d/l |
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| 18:58.50 | KaylaKaze | damn linux error messages don't even give you any info it just says "oh, there's an error. but you'll have to figure out what" |
| 18:59.19 | ericz | haha, linux errors are extremely specific on everyday distributions |
| 19:00.35 | KaylaKaze | mounting cifs keeps saying "nfs mount parameter: username=0". (same when I use user instead). The docs clearly say to do that so why the error?!?! |
| 19:01.11 | Dr_Nunim | Did you install smbfs? |
| 19:01.42 | KaylaKaze | not the kernel whatever stuff |
| 19:02.13 | KaylaKaze | but the kernal's already got cifs |
| 19:02.41 | Dr_Nunim | I just use FTP, too lazy to setup samba :p |
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| 19:03.28 | ericz | whys the option for Protocol: in gaim accounts manager |
| 19:03.29 | ericz | empty |
| 19:03.38 | Dr_Nunim | Did you install them? |
| 19:03.39 | Dr_Nunim | :) |
| 19:03.40 | ericz | heh |
| 19:03.42 | ericz | apparently not |
| 19:03.47 | ericz | where do i get those?! |
| 19:03.48 | Dr_Nunim | Why are you using gaim? |
| 19:03.51 | Dr_Nunim | Pidgin is newer! |
| 19:03.57 | ericz | where do i GET pidgin |
| 19:04.01 | Dr_Nunim | I told you, the pidgin site has the distros! |
| 19:04.10 | Dr_Nunim | http://pidgin.garage.maemo.org |
| 19:04.10 | ericz | i want an easy link |
| 19:04.12 | ericz | heh |
| 19:04.12 | KaylaKaze | newer usually means crappier |
| 19:04.15 | Dr_Nunim | If you can't follow that, lord help you. |
| 19:06.41 | ericz | whatever, i got the gaim oscar plugin :p |
| 19:07.30 | KaylaKaze | not a single document on the entire internet about "unknown nfs mount parameter" |
| 19:08.50 | KaylaKaze | oh! here's a good error message "mount: nfsmount failed: Success" |
| 19:10.47 | zuh | KaylaKaze: If you haven't, you'll need to install the real mount. The one originally there is the busybox version (which doesn't support nfs) |
| 19:11.21 | zuh | IIRC it was available from some repo, possibly from repository.maemo.org |
| 19:16.26 | KaylaKaze | well, it acts like it's workign |
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| 19:18.03 | KaylaKaze | nor do I see any new mount |
| 19:21.23 | KaylaKaze | well, I've managed to get a new error messatge up : "Resource temporarily unavailable" |
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| 19:25.30 | KaylaKaze | and the only info I can find on this error is some jackass saying "I updated with yum and that fixed it" |
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| 19:28.12 | Dr_Nunim | yum = bad |
| 19:28.36 | Dr_Nunim | honestly it's easier for me to compile from soruces then to use yum. |
| 19:30.56 | KaylaKaze | what is 10.10.10.10 |
| 19:30.58 | KaylaKaze | ? |
| 19:31.40 | Dr_Nunim | a bad ip? |
| 19:32.35 | KaylaKaze | thought it may be some linux ip to soemthing since I've seen it used on a few sites for mount |
| 19:33.57 | mgedmin | it's a random, easy-to-remember IP from the local address range |
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| 19:34.30 | KaylaKaze | I tried to connect to my other box's shares and that ones giving me permission denied (which I still think may be better than temporatily unavailable |
| 19:35.51 | Dr_Nunim | simple file sharing on? |
| 19:35.56 | Dr_Nunim | that is the bane of windows filehsaring. |
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| 19:37.26 | KaylaKaze | yay! got my auxilary box mounted! |
| 19:37.51 | KaylaKaze | no, I had problems with simple a long while ago |
| 19:38.10 | KaylaKaze | ... file manager crashed while reading directory of the mounted drive :-( |
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| 19:39.15 | Dr_Nunim | did you get smbfs? |
| 19:39.15 | suihkulokki | KaylaKaze: so what was the missing bit to get it working? |
| 19:39.49 | KaylaKaze | well, part of it is for some reason my promary system is reporting as being temporarily unavailable |
| 19:40.12 | KaylaKaze | for my aux system, I just had to check and notice that the username on that system is different to my primary |
| 19:40.20 | KaylaKaze | so I just changed username and it mounted |
| 19:40.51 | KaylaKaze | actually though, I'd also like to mount a 770 directory in windows... |
| 19:48.30 | KaylaKaze | well, I guess if I use a directory on my aux shared on both my primary and nokia, then I guess it's almost as good |
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| 19:56.07 | Dr_Nunim | hrm |
| 19:56.09 | Dr_Nunim | mount not found? |
| 19:58.02 | Dr_Nunim | whats your mount command look like kayla? |
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| 20:01.30 | KaylaKaze | mount -t cifs //192.168.0.30/network_share /home/user/MyDocs/aux_share -o username=kaylakaze,password=password,dom=HOME |
| 20:02.46 | KaylaKaze | I guess dom isnt' necessary though |
| 20:03.55 | Dr_Nunim | ah yay |
| 20:04.08 | Dr_Nunim | that wiki entry needs more comments on lines |
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| 20:05.36 | Dr_Nunim | network is unreachable hrm |
| 20:05.37 | blkhawk | lo |
| 20:05.45 | KaylaKaze | I wonder if I can't connect to 192.168.0.5 because I'm using that system to ssh into the 770 |
| 20:06.21 | blkhawk | got a question whats the exact size of the screen that can be used for a gtk app by default on the 770 and 800? |
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| 20:06.41 | Dr_Nunim | why wont this damn thing connect |
| 20:06.43 | KaylaKaze | no to update my dnd character sheet php server files to use flat text isntead of mysql so I can use it on my nokia without a net connectiong |
| 20:06.48 | Dr_Nunim | its on the same net :o |
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| 20:07.26 | KaylaKaze | blkhawk: there's a doc on maemo about app sizes under different conditions |
| 20:07.44 | blkhawk | ah thanks |
| 20:07.49 | blkhawk | i will try to track that down |
| 20:08.08 | Dr_Nunim | hrm |
| 20:08.16 | Dr_Nunim | failed: Network is unreachable |
| 20:08.44 | ericz | i installed dropbear-client, but it's not in menus |
| 20:08.49 | ericz | how do i use it |
| 20:09.10 | Dr_Nunim | open up xterm |
| 20:09.13 | Dr_Nunim | type ssh |
| 20:09.17 | ericz | ah |
| 20:09.23 | ericz | need to get xterm then :/ |
| 20:10.07 | Dr_Nunim | gah |
| 20:10.11 | Dr_Nunim | the network is not unrechable! |
| 20:10.37 | blkhawk | wth are all these open sourse project start with Mo |
| 20:10.43 | blkhawk | Mozilla Mono Maemo Moko |
| 20:10.56 | blkhawk | it gets annoing to keep em apart :P |
| 20:11.44 | suihkulokki | maemo does not start with mo =) |
| 20:11.56 | blkhawk | heh - i knew that was coming |
| 20:12.10 | blkhawk | i just googeled for moko instead of Maemo |
| 20:12.14 | ericz | where do i get xterm? |
| 20:12.47 | suihkulokki | ericz: http://maemo-hackers.org/wiki/OssoXterm |
| 20:13.10 | KaylaKaze | I wonder which would be more efficiant... sotring cell data in a file structure like /user/character/cellname.dat with the cell's data being in the file or using a single file that stores cellname, data pairs |
| 20:13.27 | ericz | oh i already have that repository thing on my 770, haha, i was looking for "xterm", like.. x.. near the bottom of the list |
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| 20:13.42 | Dr_Nunim | gah, why does it say unreachable! |
| 20:16.23 | ericz | is there something like telnet? |
| 20:16.28 | ericz | i want to port knock. |
| 20:16.29 | Dr_Nunim | perhaps im going to uninstall xterm |
| 20:16.31 | Dr_Nunim | and reinstall it |
| 20:16.35 | Dr_Nunim | yeah theres telnet and ssh |
| 20:16.36 | KaylaKaze | knock is already ported |
| 20:16.43 | ericz | is it? |
| 20:16.45 | KaylaKaze | yes |
| 20:16.46 | ericz | where can i get it? |
| 20:18.36 | blkhawk | wow - why is there so much crap in the Maemo gtk tutorial |
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| 20:21.17 | ericz | so how do i make dropbear server run |
| 20:21.34 | ericz | oh, nvm, i guess it always runs. |
| 20:24.59 | Dr_Nunim | ha suceess! |
| 20:25.03 | Dr_Nunim | Just had to reinstall x-term |
| 20:25.07 | Dr_Nunim | something much have gone glitchy |
| 20:29.12 | ericz | hrm |
| 20:29.19 | ericz | \so what happens if dropbear server |
| 20:29.22 | ericz | stops working, heh |
| 20:32.11 | ttuttle | Oh man, this thing ROCKS! |
| 20:32.34 | ericz | it does. |
| 20:32.54 | ericz | looking for a knock client |
| 20:32.57 | ttuttle | ericz: It's like 90% of a desktop for 10% of the price, running at 50% the speed. |
| 20:33.02 | ericz | lol |
| 20:33.21 | ttuttle | ericz: in other words, a perfect fit for 90% of computer usage. |
| 20:34.06 | ericz | scp'ing "AutoScan" to it :P |
| 20:37.27 | KaylaKaze | oooo! this php has built in sqlite support! |
| 20:37.49 | ericz | what about mysql? |
| 20:37.53 | KaylaKaze | no |
| 20:38.07 | ericz | root is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
| 20:38.14 | KaylaKaze | but it shouldn't take much to convert my program from mysql to sqlite |
| 20:38.17 | ericz | heh |
| 20:38.27 | ttuttle | ericz: lol |
| 20:38.32 | ericz | odd. |
| 20:38.40 | ericz | i was under the impression root didnt NEED to be :P |
| 20:38.54 | ttuttle | ericz: Why would root sudo anyway? |
| 20:39.00 | ericz | i don't know, habit |
| 20:40.53 | ericz | sweet, that went well |
| 20:41.01 | ericz | installing with dpkg -i from the terminal, i expected horrible results |
| 20:41.16 | ttuttle | lol |
| 20:41.51 | ericz | ill have to add root to the sudoers file |
| 20:43.13 | ericz | i need nano :P |
| 20:43.27 | ericz | oh my, the sudoers file is crowded |
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| 20:45.10 | ttuttle_ | hey i'm on my n770 in xchat! |
| 20:45.16 | blkhawk | hello |
| 20:45.28 | blkhawk | how nice for you ;) |
| 20:45.32 | ericz | gaim IRC sucks |
| 20:47.17 | ttuttle_ | ericz, it does |
| 20:47.54 | ericz | my 770 is never going to charge, i keep using it |
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| 20:49.18 | Dr_Nunim | charges while you use it |
| 20:50.16 | ericz | why is the browser like not doing anything |
| 20:50.20 | ericz | when i click links sometimes |
| 20:52.07 | jga23 | anybody have a mencoder script to convert video for the n800? |
| 20:52.16 | ttuttle_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:53.39 | ttuttle_ | Anyone try the handwriting recognition yet? |
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| 20:58.54 | Ericz | on my 770 |
| 21:00.31 | Dr_Nunim | nuts |
| 21:00.34 | Dr_Nunim | crashed it |
| 21:01.40 | ttuttle_ | yo ericz! l wrote this message by hand! |
| 21:01.59 | ttuttle_ | lt's not bad. |
| 21:02.18 | ericz | and I d,d Thi S On e |
| 21:02.24 | ericz | eW |
| 21:02.34 | ttuttle_ | Sorta annoying, but cool. |
| 21:02.59 | ericz | I have bad9nd wno |
| 21:03.00 | ttuttle_ | Congrats, that's greato u |
| 21:03.02 | Dr_Nunim | I can't use that handwriting thing for crap. |
| 21:03.05 | ericz | LOL |
| 21:03.08 | Dr_Nunim | My handwriting is just too bad. |
| 21:03.25 | ttuttle_ | Thisisfun . |
| 21:03.33 | ericz | hahqh9 |
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| 21:03.44 | ericz | i S4cl aT hig |
| 21:03.46 | ttuttle_ | Wheeeeee! |
| 21:05.32 | ericz | same |
| 21:05.42 | ericz | it thinks myster |
| 21:05.57 | ericz | my a's are q's |
| 21:08.23 | ttuttle | ericz: Ah. |
| 21:08.34 | ttuttle | ericz: You need to space things out widely. |
| 21:08.40 | ttuttle | ericz: Otherwise it runs words together. |
| 21:08.48 | Dr_Nunim | Ah praise the lord of ftp |
| 21:08.59 | ttuttle | Dr_Nunim: lol |
| 21:09.33 | Dr_Nunim | Makes my life so much easier |
| 21:09.37 | Dr_Nunim | Memory cards bah! |
| 21:09.54 | ericz | ya, it hates me |
| 21:10.14 | sorbix | anyone know the best way to clean the 770 screen? |
| 21:10.22 | sorbix | im assuming not windex |
| 21:10.25 | sorbix | :) |
| 21:10.43 | Dr_Nunim | I used windex lol |
| 21:10.46 | sorbix | haha |
| 21:10.48 | Dr_Nunim | Sprayed it on the paper towel |
| 21:10.50 | Dr_Nunim | Not on the screen |
| 21:10.58 | Dr_Nunim | If it ate away some chemical coating, oh well. |
| 21:11.03 | Dr_Nunim | Screen protectors arrive monday. |
| 21:11.16 | sorbix | whered you buy them? |
| 21:11.18 | blkhawk | you have to be careful - some stuff is really hard on anti glare |
| 21:11.31 | Dr_Nunim | ebay |
| 21:11.42 | Dr_Nunim | this is an anti-glare screen? |
| 21:11.46 | Dr_Nunim | take it outside and tell me that :p |
| 21:12.03 | ttuttle | Dr_Nunim: I've used that on my old laptop. |
| 21:12.05 | ericz | One mOre try |
| 21:12.27 | ericz | caPS sUcKS |
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| 21:12.39 | ttuttle | ericz: lol |
| 21:12.40 | sorbix | wait you can use anti glare screens on a touchpad? |
| 21:12.43 | ttuttle | ericz: That's not bad, you'll get used to it. |
| 21:12.50 | ttuttle | sorbix: Um, huh? |
| 21:12.57 | ttuttle | sorbix: Yeah, if your touchpad has a screen. (A few do.) |
| 21:13.04 | sorbix | i thought it might mess with its sensitivity or something |
| 21:13.12 | ericz | t c9nt 3ee acolon |
| 21:13.23 | ericz | bah |
| 21:13.25 | ttuttle | sorbix: Nah, the surface itself is just a smooth plastic layer. The electronics are beneath it. |
| 21:13.43 | sorbix | haha ericz |
| 21:13.47 | ttuttle | sorbix: Until yo dry it off, though, it *will* screw with it. And occasionally it'll get really confused by the "sensations" it gets while it's wet, and you'll need to reboot. |
| 21:13.49 | ttuttle | sorbix: Shut up :-b |
| 21:14.01 | sorbix | oh ok |
| 21:14.05 | sorbix | i can just do it when its off |
| 21:14.07 | ericz | keyboard ftw |
| 21:14.22 | ttuttle | ericz: Yeah. |
| 21:14.30 | ericz | ;/ |
| 21:14.52 | ericz | stylus != pencil |
| 21:15.10 | ttuttle | ericz: lol |
| 21:15.13 | ttuttle | ericz: Don't scratch it. |
| 21:15.22 | sorbix | does anyone have a recommendation for maps for the 770? |
| 21:15.25 | sorbix | tomtom? |
| 21:15.36 | ericz | heh |
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| 21:18.06 | ttuttle | Can the N770 use 2GB cards out of the box? |
| 21:18.19 | sorbix | i dont think so |
| 21:18.25 | ttuttle | 1GB? |
| 21:18.27 | Dr_Nunim | I thought they could with the newest OS |
| 21:18.30 | Dr_Nunim | yeah 1gb for sure |
| 21:18.41 | ttuttle | ok |
| 21:18.43 | ttuttle | bye gotta go |
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| 21:24.38 | jga23 | is there a .bashrc file for the n800? |
| 21:29.24 | Sho_ | jga23: Busybox' shell is called "ash", so look around for the docs to that and what files it looks at during startup |
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| 21:39.02 | Dr_Nunim | Total Google searches: 17736 |
| 21:39.24 | KaylaKaze | my db has successfully been copied over to sqlite. yay.. though I probably could have done it easier by writing a syncronization script, especially since I'll have to do that anyway... |
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| 21:39.47 | Dr_Nunim | That's a decent amount. |
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| 21:40.59 | ericz | ugh, my 770 takes forever to find network and connect |
| 21:41.37 | ericz | i get 3 or 4 network errors before it finally connects |
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| 21:46.50 | KaylaKaze | oh this sucks... sqlite is version 3 but the php is version 2 |
| 21:48.32 | KaylaKaze | oh well, doersn't matte. I can just make php create the db |
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| 21:51.56 | ericz | man, too low of memory to run browser, gaim, and xchat ;/ |
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| 21:58.24 | Dr_Nunim | did you add swap? |
| 22:03.34 | konttori | ericz: HAve you enabled swap? |
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| 22:21.43 | KaylaKaze | if you're writing a text file in lniux and want a new line, what's the char sequence (like it's \n in windows but that's not working on linux) |
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| 22:27.47 | Dr_Nunim | http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/bags/918a/ |
| 22:28.06 | Dr_Nunim | Of course then I'd need a suit... |
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| 22:28.49 | KaylaKaze | I made php on 770 write a file of "test\ntest\ntest\n" and that's how the file came out. I did the same in php in windows and it wrote the \n as line breaks (as, I think, it should have) |
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| 23:04.21 | ericz | gaim sure does give crazy online times |
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| 23:18.23 | KaylaKaze | sweet. I wrote a php script on the 770 to call a php script on my pc and get it to dump the contents of my db so my script on the 770 can reconstruct the db. |
| 23:21.53 | ericz | neat |
| 23:25.26 | ericz | i think i love maemo/n770 |
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| 23:51.49 | KaylaKaze | is 103K too big for a web page? :-P |
| 23:52.51 | ericm | so how well's the 770 play mp3s? |
| 23:53.41 | Dr_Nunim | Why would 103k be too big? |
| 23:53.42 | Dr_Nunim | :o |
| 23:53.47 | Dr_Nunim | 103k is tiny. |
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| 23:57.16 | ericz | hm mp3 playback isnt too bad. |
| 23:57.45 | ericz | id still go for my ipod first, though |
