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| 00:18.35 | rhys | is skype oss? is gizmo? |
| 00:24.21 | rhys | gizmo is, skype isnt. why use skype? |
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| 00:25.43 | gla55 | because someone you want to call is on skype? |
| 00:26.26 | ericz | more people in general use skype, don't they? |
| 00:26.42 | gla55 | way more.. |
| 00:26.50 | Sulis | i guess when you say oss you mean open source software...not...open sound system... |
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| 00:36.40 | rwhitby | I can call a gizmo number from any other SIP provider for free, and vice versa. That includes hardware ATA devices running SIP, SIP clients running on any platform (including NSLU2 or OpenMoko or N800 even if Gizmo itself wasn't ported). |
| 00:36.55 | rwhitby | You can do none of that with Skype. |
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| 00:37.25 | rwhitby | You can also interface Asterisk with Gizmo |
| 00:38.04 | ericz | didn't gizmo just setup this thing so it's chat works with AIM? |
| 00:38.27 | rwhitby | yep |
| 00:38.37 | rwhitby | I have gizmo chat running on my Treo650 right now |
| 00:38.45 | rwhitby | (chat only, not voip) |
| 00:39.20 | rwhitby | but at least I can see which of my contacts are available, and then use a local SIP free dial-in provider to call them anywhere in the world for the cost of a local call. |
| 00:39.40 | Dr_Nunim | Yeah but skype has some good deals on call out as well as a large marketshare. |
| 00:39.44 | rwhitby | (or use my n800 to call them if I'm in wifi range) |
| 00:40.06 | rwhitby | Dr_Nunim: I made a gizmo call from Australia to a land-line in the US the other day - it went for 2 hours and I paid nothing. |
| 00:40.36 | rwhitby | can't argue with the marketshare of skype. windows has a large marketshare too :-) |
| 00:41.02 | ericz | what's ekiga? is it any good? |
| 00:41.30 | Dr_Nunim | If I asked the average person if they had an SIP account, they would continue to look at me as I do now. |
| 00:41.44 | Dr_Nunim | but everyone has skype, hell my mother has skype and she can't turn the TV on by herself. |
| 00:41.46 | rwhitby | ekiga is an open source voip client. since it's SIP-based (a standards-based protocol) it can interoperate with Gizmo, but not with Skype. |
| 00:41.56 | rwhitby | Dr_Nunim: no arguments there |
| 00:41.59 | ericz | ah |
| 00:42.23 | Dr_Nunim | I'm not saying Skype is a superior system but since everyone uses it, you need it. |
| 00:42.48 | Dr_Nunim | I find their $30/yr for unlimited out calling to US & Canada to be fair. |
| 00:43.48 | rwhitby | it's your choice whether you use the closed proprietary skype which reaches more people, or you use an open standards-based SIP platform like Gizmo or Ekiga and just teach the people you want to talk to to do the same. It's a personal choice, and since I'm not a zealot I'm not going to try and change your personal choice. Only educate as to the difference and allow you to make the choice yourself. |
| 00:44.46 | Dr_Nunim | Doesn't matter to me anyway, as an 770 user my possibility of Skype is not good. |
| 00:44.58 | rwhitby | I expect your mother could use Gizmo on the PC platform just as easily as Skype. |
| 00:45.12 | Dr_Nunim | Probably. |
| 00:45.15 | rwhitby | (without even knowing it's standards-based SIP underneath) |
| 00:46.12 | rwhitby | The other thing about Skype is that you agree (when you click the EULA) to let Skype use *your* computer and network to route other people's calls. That's something I'm not going to let any company do. |
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| 00:46.29 | rwhitby | Most Skype users don't realise they've agreed to do that. |
| 00:47.06 | Dr_Nunim | I didn't bother to read the EULA as I usually don't but I keep it closed when not in use as I don't like random calls. |
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| 00:52.39 | rhys | wow i hate skype now |
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| 00:59.53 | rwhitby | so they can use your bandwidth to get better quality for others |
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| 01:41.36 | cnc | is there a tutorial on setting up vnc with the 770 and a windows pc? (a simple one preferably) |
| 01:50.52 | Dr_Nunim | I'd imagine, install VNC server, input IP:port into client. |
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| 01:56.55 | rwhitby | http://www.rwhitby.net/blog/n800/using-vncserver-on-the-nokia-n800.html |
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| 02:11.04 | mk500 | I'm having a problem connecting to my BT phone for internet on my HE equipped 770 |
| 02:11.24 | mk500 | when I go to select connection, it only shows my wifi options |
| 02:11.43 | mk500 | sometimes, when there is little wifi around, it will suddenly auto-connect to my BT phone |
| 02:12.10 | mk500 | so, basically, I know my BT phone internet connection is working great, but I can't seem to control when to connect to it |
| 02:12.13 | mk500 | any suggestions? |
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| 05:36.07 | Tadafumi | hi |
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| 05:39.03 | KaylaKaze | saying hi to anyone in particular? if not, then hi :-) |
| 05:50.18 | Tadafumi | I have a problem with Laika plugins and Eclipse3.2.2. I tried http://www.cs.tut.fi/~laika/update/ as a remote site to install plugins and then got an error msg "com.nomovok.poedit.feature (1.0.0) requires feature "fi.tut.cs.laika.feature (2.1.0)"" |
| 05:51.09 | ericz | KaylaKaze, have you got your 770 yet? |
| 05:53.05 | KaylaKaze | nope |
| 05:53.13 | KaylaKaze | I do have the laika plugin though |
| 05:53.31 | Tadafumi | Does anyone use Laika/Eclipse for maemo development? I have no idea how to install the plugin :( |
| 05:53.52 | KaylaKaze | you need to also install the C/C++ plugin from the Calisto repository |
| 05:55.24 | KaylaKaze | it's called CDT or something like that, you can't miss it if you look there for plugins too |
| 05:55.31 | KaylaKaze | ericz: I did get about 33% to 50% done on my D&D character sheet for the 770 when I get it though. |
| 05:55.44 | ericz | haha, i saw you had people testing it |
| 05:56.06 | KaylaKaze | I just wanted to make sure it got laid out right and would work in opera |
| 05:56.10 | Tadafumi | I installed CDT3.1.1 before Laika. |
| 05:56.44 | KaylaKaze | then ignore the error message. It's probably just a notification. |
| 05:57.04 | KaylaKaze | I've got the whole 1st page of the official character sheet done. I don't have the PHP backend done for saving and loading yet though. |
| 05:57.43 | KaylaKaze | but it autocalculates and stuff. It's pretty cool for a webpage |
| 05:58.19 | ericz | saving it flat file or mysql? |
| 05:58.48 | KaylaKaze | mysql |
| 05:59.07 | KaylaKaze | the saving and loading will be easy. It's configuring the security that's a pain |
| 05:59.21 | ericz | oh? |
| 06:00.00 | KaylaKaze | well, not really too much, I guess. But I probably should have some form of user authorization |
| 06:00.27 | ericz | .htaccess is easy enough |
| 06:00.45 | ericz | i assume opera on the 770 can handle that :P |
| 06:00.46 | Tadafumi | I got err msg "Requested operation cannot be performed because it would invalidate the current configuration. See details for more information. |
| 06:00.47 | Tadafumi | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:00.51 | KaylaKaze | I've never used it |
| 06:01.00 | ericz | tis easy! |
| 06:01.15 | Tadafumi | Requested operation cannot be performed because it would invalidate the current configuration. See details for more information. |
| 06:01.15 | Tadafumi | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:01.28 | KaylaKaze | you must have screwed somethign up then :-P Eclipse and Laika were like the smoothest part of my environment setup |
| 06:02.17 | KaylaKaze | well, I was thinking as long as I have this kickass page done, I might as well allow people to register and have their own charater storage depot |
| 06:02.25 | Tadafumi | Err msg prevents Laika installation. No scratchbox preference in Eclipse :( |
| 06:02.46 | ericz | ah, that'd probably do better with more than just htaccess, haha |
| 06:03.29 | Tadafumi | I will try Laika stuff again from scratch. Thanks |
| 06:03.39 | KaylaKaze | well, I've was working on another site these last few days and got some practive at using user security and such. |
| 06:03.48 | KaylaKaze | Tadafumi: It's worth it |
| 06:04.18 | ericz | i made a big user system where you register, get an email, activate, and it's just a place for users to store notes.. uses php/mysql |
| 06:04.29 | ericz | http://remotenotes.yi.org/ |
| 06:05.27 | KaylaKaze | I read some code on how to do the authorization emails and such. Seems easy enough |
| 06:06.37 | KaylaKaze | You don't play Warmachine by any chance, do you? |
| 06:06.45 | ericz | nope |
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| 06:17.38 | Viza | i searched all over but couldn't find the answer to this, |
| 06:17.51 | Viza | i noticed that the predictive text picked up on my ssh password |
| 06:18.00 | Viza | is it possible to clear the predictive text cache? |
| 06:20.54 | ericz | picked up your ssh password? is it... like a common word that would be in the dictionary??? |
| 06:21.04 | ericz | or once you type something so often, it just starts remembering? |
| 06:22.07 | Viza | i believe the latter |
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| 06:24.05 | KaylaKaze | I read a post about that problem |
| 06:25.05 | Viza | hm seems a good idea would be to use public-key auth |
| 06:25.16 | Viza | well, more of a workaround |
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| 07:18.15 | jani | g'morning |
| 07:21.33 | N800 | hello |
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| 07:39.13 | jani | quite a stir in python thread in devel list .. |
| 07:40.30 | dpb_ | woah |
| 07:41.24 | osfameron | where! where! |
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| 07:42.58 | jani | maemo-developers mailinglist .. |
| 07:43.27 | jani | well, its not a flamefest but people still bashing .. thats imho thou. |
| 07:44.07 | osfameron | ah, I don't think i'm subscribed, I'll google for archive |
| 07:44.51 | osfameron | the "New release of" thread ? |
| 07:44.58 | jani | yes |
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| 07:45.21 | jani | people started to complain about repositories and even uktube gets mentioned there =)) |
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| 08:52.48 | konttori | jani: yeah. So odd. Anyway, I'm all for install files having multiple repos, although, at the same time, for the system as a whole, it would be better to keep as much hosted by nokia as possible. That way availability is good and nokia should be able to make good download statistics. |
| 08:53.02 | konttori | I would love to have those statistics public as well if possible |
| 09:14.40 | keesj | konttori: last time I asked they them selves did not know how much download there where. it was a story about "mirrors and other BS" |
| 09:15.32 | konttori | keesj: really? I mean, how hard can tracking that sort of stuff be: One php / alternative and a database. |
| 09:15.45 | konttori | Would take a few minutes of my time to do. |
| 09:16.16 | jani | i agree |
| 09:16.35 | jani | but then again, everything is political in big companies .. |
| 09:16.42 | keesj | garage keepdoes s track of the downloads |
| 09:16.50 | konttori | you put the install link to load a php, which first stores the log and then either: a) forwards you to the actual file or b) retrieves the file and binary writes it to the client. |
| 09:17.45 | konttori | as nokia, I would choose a) to be on the same legal level as for providing the link in the first place. |
| 09:17.58 | keesj | konttori: yes and in your postinstall you add a wget http://my_server.com/install_status=sdaf |
| 09:18.21 | keesj | or upgraded=true times played = 100 |
| 09:20.04 | keesj | even better just have a fake dns running for counters |
| 09:20.20 | konttori | yeah, although I don't like calling home that much. You would at least ask the user if it's ok to call home and tell that kind of information |
| 09:21.52 | konttori | Also, if Nokia would make it easier to get stuff to extras, it would be even easier for nokia to track that kind of stuff (updates as well). |
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| 09:25.12 | keesj | perhaps where should be little people from mars who do free packaging if you hava registered a garage project and put the code in there |
| 09:30.42 | konttori | yeah, well, there could be a possibility to upload the project files to extras repo in the project files section. |
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| 09:31.20 | sbaturzio | Aloha! |
| 09:31.22 | keesj | I have been doing kernel and embedded development at work for the last few month. I think that what will give me the moost joy will be to get a OE/e17 distro running on the 770 |
| 09:31.35 | konttori | is everyone waiting fofr the firmware or how come discussion is so muted today? |
| 09:31.48 | keesj | iphone |
| 09:31.54 | cy- | anyone have any luck with kismet/n800 ? |
| 09:32.00 | konttori | keesj: of course! |
| 09:32.17 | konttori | and e17 distro sounds like great thing. |
| 09:32.45 | keesj | but I really feel like openmoko lately, a device that comes with a screwdriver ! |
| 09:32.57 | inz | keesj, and guitar pick! |
| 09:33.13 | konttori | and accelerometers! .. . and video accelerator (with drivers as well) |
| 09:33.17 | keesj | inz: yes , thats just pure love! |
| 09:33.47 | keesj | but I really want the wifi |
| 09:33.58 | konttori | it has wifi, doesn't it? |
| 09:34.33 | keesj | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 The Mass Market Neo 1973) is on schedule to go on sale in October. 802.11 b/g WiFi |
| 09:35.09 | keesj | other model don't have wifi *I think* |
| 09:35.34 | konttori | ok, so the current deveoper model doesn't have the wifi yet then |
| 09:35.37 | rwhitby | GTA01 (July 9), no wifi. GTA02 (Oct++), wifi. |
| 09:35.43 | keesj | the fun part is that our devices also use the samsung SoC's |
| 09:36.17 | konttori | what's soc? |
| 09:36.27 | inz | konttori, System on Chip |
| 09:36.59 | konttori | ok, which translates in practice to ... what? |
| 09:37.22 | rwhitby | CPU plus lots of other stuff on the same piece of silicon |
| 09:37.44 | keesj | same cpu(arm) kernel, bugs |
| 09:38.57 | inz | konttori, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System-on-a-chip (obligatory wikipedia link) |
| 09:40.56 | konttori | all right. So, neo just has a lesser chip as they need a separate gfx accelerator chip. |
| 09:41.19 | rwhitby | lesser chip than what? |
| 09:41.27 | konttori | than on n800 |
| 09:42.21 | keesj | they all miss 800x480 + good thumb keyboard |
| 09:43.10 | rwhitby | yes, n800 has gfx accelerator chip, but Nokia didn't pay for the drivers so it's not used to it's full ability. |
| 09:43.20 | keesj | still the thumb keyboard is not great for vi / xterm stuff. |
| 09:44.39 | gla55_ | the 3d chip makes for nice gfx on e90 and n95.. (which i think have the same chip..) |
| 09:44.47 | keesj | inz do you rember who did the vte keyboard hack? |
| 09:45.40 | inz | keesj, don't, I was supposed to do mine at some point, but I "forgot" |
| 09:47.56 | keesj | I would like to experiment with such a keyboard and a xterminal of a few lines at the top. or perpahs a normal xterminal + the last line also displayed at the top |
| 09:48.26 | lardman | My understanding was that Nokia were discussion the matter of the PowerVR MBX with imgtec/Ti/etc. Though my impression may be wrong |
| 09:48.36 | lardman | s/discussion/discussing |
| 09:49.17 | konttori | I have the same feeling |
| 09:50.17 | lardman | Was interesting to read the omap ml, looks like someone's improved the idle consumption for the n800 |
| 09:50.53 | keesj | perhaps its' something that can be put on the roadmap:"know what we can expect regarding: feature X, where X = jazelle,3d,wifi drivers" just knowing what to expect would be nice IMHO |
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| 09:51.37 | lardman | I'd like them on the wishlist, but have brought it up before and don't really want to annoy people by going on about it |
| 09:51.56 | lardman | where my thing was IVA & PowerVR MBX |
| 09:51.58 | konttori | otoh: it would spoil the surprise if we knew too much beforehand. Also it might raise false expectations. |
| 09:53.00 | lardman | Where was that code for switching to Jazelle mode? |
| 09:53.12 | lardman | That I saw mention of on the maemo-developers ml |
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| 09:54.17 | konttori | somebody got carried away with the wishlist: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=54740#post54740 |
| 09:55.06 | lardman | "And a fridge, a toaster and DVD player." :) |
| 09:55.21 | gwak | and a babysitter would be nice as well |
| 09:56.19 | konttori | I do totally hope that the 29 will be realized in the firmware. (29. SDHC support.) |
| 09:57.38 | gwak | yep my wish is for a) faster SDHC access b) usb host mode - so i can dump pics from my digicam |
| 09:57.39 | inz | konttori, I find the items on the wishlist: "opera 9" and "open source browser" highly utopious |
| 09:58.12 | inz | konttori, that is, if they want both |
| 09:58.17 | konttori | ;) |
| 09:58.50 | konttori | I think that's a collected wishlist. Anyway, I don't think either of them will happen. But that's just me. |
| 09:58.52 | lardman | I'd expect the usb host, larger SD card support, etc. to be included simply because they are available now and therefore don't need much work |
| 09:59.42 | zuh | Last I heard, usb host mode did need work |
| 10:00.00 | konttori | except if shhc needs nokia to pay for licenses. |
| 10:00.06 | zuh | (SDHC doesn't, I've been using it for ages without problems) |
| 10:00.06 | konttori | sdhc |
| 10:00.07 | Veggen | gwak: pics from digicam would be nice. I got dcraw to run on the N800, though, but it was quite painful ;) |
| 10:00.19 | Veggen | (memory hog, really) |
| 10:00.35 | lardman | zuh: oh right |
| 10:00.45 | Veggen | hmm, meeting. |
| 10:00.46 | keesj | 23. 3gp video capable. ?? it's already working |
| 10:02.02 | gla55_ | streaming 3gp too? |
| 10:02.08 | inz | Veggen, maybe the exif headers and image uploading could be doable |
| 10:02.11 | gla55_ | i think thats what youtube mobile is |
| 10:02.37 | inz | Veggen, exif headers including the thumbnail |
| 10:03.43 | gwak | Veggen,Inz: i just found the memory card access painfully slow with biggish jpg |
| 10:04.14 | lardman | zuh: What's the problem with usb host atm? |
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| 10:05.04 | lardman | ah, probably this then: http://linux.omap.com/pipermail/linux-omap-open-source/2007-June/010402.html |
| 10:07.25 | keesj | I did mesure about 3.5 volt. |
| 10:08.50 | keesj | the problem I have is that otg did rely on a special cable (with pin 5 grounded). and the patch author is saying that the patch only works in otg mode. |
| 10:09.54 | keesj | but the last time I did it i compiled it with only otg mode and I was no allowed to perform s echo host > mode |
| 10:09.54 | lardman | ok, so not quite as working as I'd thought then |
| 10:11.18 | keesj | lardman: I stopped looking at it because I could not figure out how to enable verbose debugging. |
| 10:14.12 | keesj | gla55_: I don't know about streaming , I donloaded self-made movies from met Samsung E730 |
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| 10:23.27 | lardman | I wonder how Jazelle DBX works, as it's supposed to not natively recognise all instructions. I imagine in must cause an interrupt when it doesn't recognise one and then it can handle it with some microcode |
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| 10:31.05 | lardman | microcode is the wrong word isn't it, as that implies something hardcoded on the chip |
| 10:34.07 | lardman | How are unrecognised instructions trapped? Do they cause an interrupt? (this would force the processor out of Jazelle mode, which would be slow(er)) |
| 10:41.03 | lardman | Ah, so an undefined instruction trap can be 'hooked'. Wonder if the Jazelle VMZ works in Jazelle mode to save switches (as I assume this is what handles the trap)? |
| 10:41.15 | lardman | Enough talking rubbish to myself, time to do some work |
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| 10:52.00 | Feral_Kid | Help... I was having problems with my 770, so I thought I would re-flash... From the boot menu, I select Internal Flash... It starts to boot, then goes back to the Nokia logo and brings me back to the Boot Menu... I just installed os2006-linux-2.6.16+ipv6+ext2+mmc2gb-zImage using flasher-3.0 |
| 10:52.20 | Feral_Kid | What can I do know to get back to booting off of flash???? |
| 10:54.23 | Feral_Kid | Or should I try some of the other kernels? Like http://armin-warda.de/os2006-linux-2.6.16+ipv6+ext2+mmc2gb-zImage or http://armin-warda.de/os2006-linux-2.6.16+ipv6+ext2+mmc2gb+mmcplus52Mhz-zImage? |
| 10:56.09 | Feral_Kid | And what is the difference between Version 26 and Version 39? |
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| 11:02.20 | Feral_Kid | Any sugestions??? |
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| 11:05.15 | keesj | Feral_Kid: did you install the bootmenu yourself? |
| 11:05.36 | Feral_Kid | Yes |
| 11:05.43 | Feral_Kid | It used to work just fine... |
| 11:06.11 | cy- | Is there a way to get root locally on the n800 without flashing with RD? |
| 11:06.40 | Feral_Kid | Then I went to boot one day, and all I would get was the the boot menu... Made no difference if I booted off the flash or the mmc... |
| 11:07.49 | Feral_Kid | It would start the boot process, but just drop back to the Boot Menu |
| 11:08.22 | chrissturm | cy-: what i did is install dropbear-server and client, then ssh root@localhost , with password rootme |
| 11:08.52 | cy- | chrissturm: I have an sshd running and can ssh in as root |
| 11:09.04 | cy- | perhaps I'm typing the root password wrong on the device's gimpy keyboard ;) |
| 11:09.23 | cy- | err yeah |
| 11:09.26 | cy- | su - |
| 11:09.34 | cy- | reports "this applet requires root priviledges!" |
| 11:09.51 | cy- | guess I can change ownership of su |
| 11:10.40 | Feral_Kid | I just tried to load the kernel and got this error: Found device SU-18, hardware revision 1801 |
| 11:10.40 | Feral_Kid | NOLO version 0.9.11 |
| 11:10.40 | Feral_Kid | Version of 'sw-release': <no version> |
| 11:10.40 | Feral_Kid | Sending kernel image (1354 kB)... |
| 11:10.40 | Feral_Kid | 100% (1354 of 1354 kB, avg. 664 kB/s) |
| 11:10.42 | Feral_Kid | Sending request 0x82 failed: Cannot send after transport endpoint shutdown |
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| 11:11.06 | Feral_Kid | Does anyone know what that means? |
| 11:14.11 | cy- | there we go |
| 11:14.56 | chrissturm | wow, claws is a very nice mail client |
| 11:16.28 | Feral_Kid | Is there anyway to blow away the Boot Menu, and just allow for a generic flash boot? |
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| 11:19.07 | Feral_Kid | Well, if anyone can help just message me... I need to look around google and see if I can solve this... |
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| 11:25.20 | ColdFuzzy | hi :) |
| 11:26.57 | ColdFuzzy | anyone alive? |
| 11:27.43 | gla55_ | no |
| 11:28.27 | ColdFuzzy | omg zombies! |
| 11:28.28 | ColdFuzzy | lol |
| 11:28.30 | Feral_Kid | Alive and burnout... |
| 11:28.40 | ColdFuzzy | the living dead :P |
| 11:28.47 | cy- | chrissturm: any luck with Kismet? |
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| 11:29.02 | cy- | I have it installed but it seems to stop scanning/capturing packets after about 10 seconds |
| 11:29.15 | cy- | I've come across some forum posts with same problem but no solution |
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| 11:29.35 | ColdFuzzy | cy is it because the screen goes in standby? |
| 11:29.49 | cy- | I do not believe so no |
| 11:30.02 | ColdFuzzy | then i don't know :) |
| 11:30.07 | cy- | :) |
| 11:30.11 | cy- | more like :( |
| 11:30.32 | ColdFuzzy | yeah... |
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| 11:33.36 | cy- | hmm |
| 11:35.31 | lardman | What would be a relatively simple task that a DSP would like? - I was thinking of jpeg decompression, but perhaps some kind of file compression/decompression would be simpler (I just want a test project to start with) |
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| 11:36.23 | kulve | speex compress/decompress |
| 11:36.28 | lardman | The use of iDCT/CDT would be beneficial, as these are built-in instructions and so will show decent improvement (as opposed to my unoptimised c-code) |
| 11:36.40 | kulve | it already has a port to the dsp, but not using dsp gateway |
| 11:36.52 | fatal- | talking about dsp, I'm a bit puzzled, which package contains dspctl? |
| 11:37.07 | lardman | I don;t want to get stuck with something huge, I just want a proof of concept for the time being |
| 11:37.17 | fatal- | I'm not that familiar with dpgk/apt-get, unfortunately |
| 11:37.20 | lardman | fatal-: dspgateway |
| 11:37.37 | lardman | ah, dunno which package though, but the source is available |
| 11:37.57 | fatal- | oh well, I'll have to dig around a bit more, then. |
| 11:37.57 | suihkulokki | lardman: I would think a simple codec designed for dsp's like G.711 |
| 11:38.16 | suihkulokki | (ogg is not designed for dsp's so that would be painfull) |
| 11:38.43 | lardman | I have ogg source code, but it's a mountain, plus not much use until we can do audio out |
| 11:39.11 | lardman | g.711 looks sufficiently simple that I won't lose the will to live trying to implement it |
| 11:39.14 | kulve | lardman: that's why I suggested speex. It's ported, so it needs only the dsp gateway interface |
| 11:39.43 | lardman | kulve: When you say ported, to a tms320c55? |
| 11:40.01 | kulve | and for a very simple test there's some ready text pingpong example in the dspgateway sources. And iirc somebody already got it working and pasted instructioins to dev mailing list |
| 11:40.06 | suihkulokki | lardman: did you get the audio api? |
| 11:40.08 | kulve | lardman: yes |
| 11:40.25 | kulve | fatal-: it seems to be osso-dsp-loader |
| 11:40.30 | lardman | kulve: Yes, that was me with the examples, I thought I should actually make it do something useful |
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| 11:41.00 | kulve | ok, I though it might have been you, but didn't bother to check ,) |
| 11:41.02 | lardman | suihkulokki: No. I asked for it to be added to the wishlist, and am wading through asm atm too |
| 11:42.24 | kulve | lardman: http://svn.xiph.org/tags/speex-tags/speex-1-2beta2/ti/ |
| 11:42.53 | kulve | it's of course in the trunk too.. |
| 11:43.12 | kulve | not sure if it has been active lately.. |
| 11:43.34 | kulve | hmm.. actually that's not the right url |
| 11:43.38 | fatal- | kulve: hmm. is there such a package for 3.1? :o |
| 11:43.40 | chrissturm | anyone here doing ruby with maemo? |
| 11:44.08 | lardman | kulve: Okay, I'll take a look at that. I wonder how the chap on the gstreamer list got on? |
| 11:44.11 | kulve | fatal-: it's useless in the scratchbox, so it's on the device |
| 11:44.22 | kulve | lardman: AC_ARG_ENABLE(ti-c55x, [ --enable-ti-c55x Enable support for TI C55X DSP], |
| 11:44.25 | kulve | from configure.ac |
| 11:44.31 | kulve | dunno about gst list.. |
| 11:45.07 | kulve | I've seen couple of projects saying, that they'll start doing that for dspgateway, but never heard them since |
| 11:45.55 | Feral_Kid | Is there any firmware that will place a stock initfs on the device and also load a new kernel? I think that part of my problem is that my 770 isn't liking the Boot Menu much... |
| 11:46.16 | kulve | you can flash just those parts from the fiasco |
| 11:46.33 | kulve | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:46.34 | chrissturm | can i use a bluetooth keyboard with the n800? |
| 11:46.37 | lardman | That worries me a little, I'd like to build up gradually with some successes rather than getting bogged down and losing the will |
| 11:46.44 | lardman | I'll take a look though |
| 11:46.51 | kulve | chrissturm: yes |
| 11:47.08 | chrissturm | ok, lets see if it works with my apple wireless keyboard |
| 11:47.18 | kulve | lardman: yeah, that's probably wise |
| 11:47.37 | chrissturm | maybe i should get myself a foldable keyboard |
| 11:47.41 | fatal- | kulve: "on the device" - meaning what? there is no anykind of .deb of it whatsoever? |
| 11:47.46 | kulve | the g711 would probably be ok. Iirc it can be implemented as an array, so it should be very simple |
| 11:48.09 | kulve | fatal-: it's the deb I mentioned. But I'm not sure if you can actually get it from anywhere.. |
| 11:48.52 | lardman | yep, that's the kind of thing that should be quick enough to gain some confidence/experience with any issues |
| 11:49.31 | kulve | lardman: and, since it would be an audio "encoder"/"decoder", it would be easy to move along to a more real codec |
| 11:49.59 | kulve | just remember the byte size ;) |
| 11:50.26 | lardman | kulve: Well perhaps, the normal codecs are only one directional, while anything I write now needs to be 2-directional as it can't output as audio |
| 11:50.35 | lardman | kulve: And byte ordering |
| 11:50.37 | Feral_Kid | Can anyone tell me what this means: Sending request 0x82 failed: Cannot send after transport endpoint shutdown |
| 11:51.12 | Feral_Kid | I used the following: sudo ~/bin/flasher-3.0 -l -b -k os2006-linux-2.6.16-39-1+ipv6+ext2+mmcplus52Mhz-zImage |
| 11:51.21 | kulve | lardman: hmm.. I think normal codecs are 2-directionals.. The mp3 dsp sink is not normal :) |
| 11:51.31 | kulve | even though more powerful.. |
| 11:51.43 | lardman | kulve: That does 2d, but only shared memory in one direction and words in both |
| 11:51.51 | chrissturm | the name codec implies that its bidirectional |
| 11:52.04 | lardman | kulve: With that said, encoders will be 2D most of the time unless they get their data from the microphone |
| 11:58.44 | cy- | bummer |
| 11:58.46 | cy- | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-5834.html |
| 12:01.55 | kulve | lardman|lunch: http://thesis.evtek.fi/lisaa/kirjasto_print_data.php?lang=eng&id=3909&page=27 |
| 12:02.08 | kulve | lardman|lunch: I haven't read the thesis though (yet) |
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| 12:16.27 | guardian | where can i download the source code for maemo pad please ? |
| 12:16.34 | guardian | http://maemo.org/downloads/maemopad_1.5.tar.gz |
| 12:16.36 | guardian | link is broken |
| 12:17.00 | KaylaKaze | ooooo! my tablet is supposed to be here today! (a day early!) |
| 12:18.14 | KaylaKaze | you should be able to use apt-get to get it |
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| 12:30.24 | chrissturm | is there a webkit port form maemo? |
| 12:31.21 | gla55_ | a project that is in planning stage afaik |
| 12:31.47 | gla55_ | that is, there is a project at https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemowebkit/ |
| 12:31.56 | gla55_ | but hasnt released any files nor i'm aware of any info |
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| 12:33.37 | chrissturm | ah, theres even a screenshot: http://www.atoker.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/webkit-gtk-n800.jpg |
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| 12:34.03 | gla55_ | nice |
| 12:34.24 | cy- | damn windowmaker looks like it might be worth installing |
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| 12:51.36 | gwak | meh, looks like the update will not come today ;-[ is Finland GMT +2 ? |
| 12:53.41 | ColdFuzzy | i think it's +1 |
| 12:53.57 | zuh | +3 in summers |
| 12:54.00 | chrissturm | I think its CET, which is GMT+2 |
| 12:55.03 | zuh | (that +3 wasn't celsius ;) |
| 12:55.16 | chrissturm | are these updates just installed via apt, or does it need to flash something ? |
| 12:55.26 | chrissturm | zuh: but it could be quite correct |
| 12:55.51 | gwak | crissturm:new firmware so you must flash your device |
| 12:55.53 | konttori | has anyone seen ssvb for a while? |
| 12:57.04 | chrissturm | and that update is coming really soon now? |
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| 12:57.31 | gwak | chris:that was the gossip on internettablettalk .. |
| 12:57.50 | chrissturm | I hope they dump opera |
| 12:58.02 | ColdFuzzy | for what? |
| 12:58.05 | gwak | chris: you can see some crazy wish lists here |
| 12:58.06 | gwak | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=54740#post54740 |
| 12:58.18 | chrissturm | ColdFuzzy: nokia has ported webkit to gtk |
| 12:59.08 | ColdFuzzy | does it have flash? |
| 13:01.23 | gwak | it seems my personal and prof life are both waiting for firmware updates from nokia ;-] |
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| 13:01.45 | ColdFuzzy | lol |
| 13:02.11 | ColdFuzzy | it HAS to come out today... they go in vacation, right? |
| 13:02.13 | chrissturm | I am having trouble using my motorola v3xx with the n800 |
| 13:02.44 | ColdFuzzy | chrissturm: what exactly? |
| 13:03.08 | chrissturm | ColdFuzzy: i dont know if its related to the phone or the provider |
| 13:03.26 | ColdFuzzy | well... what's wrong |
| 13:03.36 | chrissturm | sec. |
| 13:05.08 | chrissturm | The connection manager just says "network connection error" |
| 13:05.36 | chrissturm | ColdFuzzy: When I look at my mac, where i have it working, theres "drei.at" as phone number |
| 13:05.46 | chrissturm | but the n800 does only allow numbers entered there |
| 13:06.41 | ColdFuzzy | do you have a BT connection to the phone? |
| 13:07.21 | chrissturm | how can i check that? |
| 13:08.26 | ColdFuzzy | turn the BT on the phone and the IT |
| 13:08.39 | ColdFuzzy | and search from the tablet for the phone |
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| 13:09.59 | chrissturm | ColdFuzzy: it shows up in the bluetooth devices with a key next to it |
| 13:10.23 | ColdFuzzy | that's the passkey |
| 13:10.39 | ColdFuzzy | it's probably 0000 or something |
| 13:10.49 | chrissturm | yeah, i think they are paired |
| 13:10.59 | chrissturm | (an image of a key) |
| 13:11.37 | ColdFuzzy | open the file manager and see if you can browse the phone |
| 13:12.29 | chrissturm | works |
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| 13:13.42 | ColdFuzzy | hmmm well maybe some connections for the internet are wrong |
| 13:14.30 | chrissturm | yeah, I think so too |
| 13:15.33 | ColdFuzzy | try in the control panel |
| 13:15.37 | ColdFuzzy | connectivity |
| 13:15.42 | ColdFuzzy | connections |
| 13:15.48 | ColdFuzzy | edit |
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| 13:19.44 | konttori | seems like nokia employees are uncanningly silent today. Hope it means something. |
| 13:19.54 | chrissturm | ColdFuzzy: yeah, but what do I enter there? |
| 13:20.08 | konttori | I've been ill for the whole week, so I might just as well test the new firmware thoroughly now. |
| 13:20.10 | chrissturm | packet data seems to be the right setting for umts? |
| 13:20.28 | ColdFuzzy | yeah |
| 13:20.37 | ColdFuzzy | check all the settings |
| 13:20.55 | chrissturm | what config file does it write to? |
| 13:21.02 | ColdFuzzy | compare them with the one on your mac |
| 13:21.08 | ColdFuzzy | hmmm dunno |
| 13:21.24 | chrissturm | on the mac I have drei.at as phone number and i cant enter that on the n800 |
| 13:21.24 | ColdFuzzy | konttori: you have the new firmware? |
| 13:21.26 | konttori | Nope |
| 13:21.49 | chrissturm | hmm, i could just wait for the new firmware |
| 13:21.50 | konttori | But in case nokia would release it, I would happily (and sneezingly ) test it |
| 13:21.56 | ColdFuzzy | chrissturm: i mean the connection settings... don't know where they are on the mac |
| 13:22.21 | ColdFuzzy | konttori: a LOT of people would ;) |
| 13:22.41 | chrissturm | after release is a bit late for testing :) |
| 13:23.26 | ColdFuzzy | i'm sure there'll be enough bugs anyway :D |
| 13:23.59 | konttori | Well, the last test is the end user testing. The one after product has been delivered. That's the real test for a device (...program or pretty much anything) |
| 13:24.23 | cy- | Any ideas what's up with this rumor I keep seeing on forums about a new version of the OS for the n800? |
| 13:24.29 | chrissturm | I got my n800 yesterday, and I must say it doesnt look very polished |
| 13:24.35 | cy- | Just keep running across little hints that it's coming soon but I haven't seen anything confirmed |
| 13:25.04 | konttori | chrissturm: It's a bit too much of a hacker device still. |
| 13:25.05 | ColdFuzzy | well no one knows |
| 13:25.15 | cy- | ColdFuzzy: apparently not, heh |
| 13:25.41 | ColdFuzzy | i'm not sure if those rumours are based on actual "inside info" |
| 13:25.48 | trevarthan | Has anyone tried running shtoom under maemo? |
| 13:25.57 | trevarthan | Seems like it would make a good sip phone... |
| 13:25.58 | gwak | chriss:what bit do you not find polished? |
| 13:26.05 | chrissturm | the bundled apps suck. I replaced the mail client with claws, and it works much better |
| 13:26.13 | Okko | cy-: i think they're mostly based on the skype announcement and a blurry screenshot of a staring image with version numbers in it. :) |
| 13:26.21 | Okko | staring->starting |
| 13:26.33 | gwak | gwak:yea the mail client is crap - the rss app is worse |
| 13:26.43 | ColdFuzzy | well they say that the new firmware will have a new mail client |
| 13:27.06 | Sho_ | cy-: Nokia originally announced Skype for "1H07", and the summer holidays in Fi start today or tomorrow |
| 13:27.16 | cy- | trevarthan: heh |
| 13:27.16 | Sho_ | cy-: So the expectation was it would get released prior to the holidays |
| 13:27.34 | cy- | trevarthan: I'm really hoping to get a decent SIP/IAX2 client |
| 13:27.56 | chrissturm | what about ekiga, does it use too many gnome libs? |
| 13:27.57 | cy- | trevarthan: Gizmo has some "secondary account" settings for "Asterisk" but I haven't had any luck getting it to login to my asterisk server |
| 13:28.08 | cy- | Sho_: woot.. would be nice |
| 13:28.40 | gwak | cy-:do you use your asterisk server for home use? |
| 13:29.02 | chrissturm | gwak: one thing that i really dont get is why its so hard to copy/paste text |
| 13:29.27 | cy- | gwak: I use a few asterisk servers.. one for the office, one at home and one for web apps |
| 13:29.45 | cy- | gwak: but I'd just like to use the n800 for the home server |
| 13:29.50 | cy- | gwak: on the LAN internally |
| 13:30.17 | chrissturm | I have the feeling that sip doesnt work so nice for a mobile device |
| 13:30.28 | chrissturm | skype is much better at working with custom nat setups |
| 13:31.19 | gwak | chrisstrum:i agree with your criticisms so far .. |
| 13:31.27 | cy- | I agree too |
| 13:31.33 | cy- | Though I want to use my asterisk server :P |
| 13:31.35 | ColdFuzzy | because skype can't be stopped by firewalls |
| 13:31.37 | cy- | an IAX client would be ideal |
| 13:32.51 | chrissturm | gwak: I wanted to get a maemo device for years, so i dont want to badtalk it. But I am also not impressed with the overall performance. |
| 13:33.16 | gwak | chrisstrum:do you have a n800 or 700 ? |
| 13:33.21 | chrissturm | n800 |
| 13:33.59 | chrissturm | its better now, but the old mail client always managed to drag down the whole system |
| 13:34.21 | gwak | christstrum:i imagine a lot of your criticisms will be fixed by Nokia or the community (hopefully) |
| 13:34.32 | inz | chris, the default mail client is a piece-of-shit |
| 13:34.56 | chrissturm | what do you guys use for mail? I now use claws and its nice |
| 13:35.20 | chrissturm | I think what I'd like to have is a list of 3rd party repos and recommended software |
| 13:35.37 | ColdFuzzy | there is on maemo.org |
| 13:36.04 | ColdFuzzy | i'm more excited about ubuntu mobile actually |
| 13:36.14 | chrissturm | will ubuntu mobile work with maemo devices? |
| 13:36.25 | ColdFuzzy | yeah |
| 13:36.35 | trevarthan | cy-: I was looking at gizmo yesterday. It requires that you connect from the asterisk machine to a proxy on the internet just to make a local call from the n800 over wifi directly to the asterisk server on your network. That's not SIP. That's silly. |
| 13:37.22 | cy- | Silly indeed wtf |
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| 13:38.20 | cy- | ubuntu mobile |
| 13:38.21 | cy- | crazy |
| 13:38.24 | cy- | first I've heard of it |
| 13:38.40 | trevarthan | I need to learn to package python apps as debs. No autoconf. How does that work? |
| 13:39.14 | suihkulokki | last I heard ubuntu "mobile" meant small intel-based pc:s that usually run vista ;) |
| 13:40.37 | ColdFuzzy | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded |
| 13:40.52 | chrissturm | #ubuntu-mobile |
| 13:41.21 | ColdFuzzy | yeah |
| 13:41.30 | inz | Cold, it's (currently) targeted at intel MID devices |
| 13:42.44 | ColdFuzzy | yeah, but it's using maemo and is OSS... so... ;) |
| 13:43.15 | chrissturm | they dont target the n800 |
| 13:43.23 | ColdFuzzy | a port to arm will surely happen |
| 13:43.44 | chrissturm | maybe, but the ubuntu mobile project is sponsored by intel |
| 13:44.01 | gwak | has nokia said anything about opening up the drivers for the 770? |
| 13:44.22 | ColdFuzzy | it's still opensource, no matter who's sponsoring |
| 13:44.22 | chrissturm | is the n800 / n770 firmware properitary? |
| 13:44.25 | Dr_Nunim | My day just got a lot better, my 770 will be here soon! |
| 13:44.54 | ColdFuzzy | no, it's OSS too |
| 13:45.08 | ColdFuzzy | just some drivers as far as i know are closed |
| 13:45.25 | inz | And applications |
| 13:45.29 | inz | And system services |
| 13:46.09 | ColdFuzzy | apps != OS ;) |
| 13:46.16 | cy- | http://jkontherun.blogs.com/jkontherun/2007/06/skype-on-the-no.html |
| 13:46.27 | cy- | ^^ "skype won't be available for download for the n800 until sometime in july" |
| 13:46.42 | inz | Cold, the question was about firmware, not just "OS" |
| 13:46.57 | ColdFuzzy | cy-: says, some guy in a blog ;) |
| 13:47.02 | cy- | heh true dat |
| 13:47.42 | pdz | > Yea, I offer but I told her that I have to ask Maureen if |
| 13:48.40 | pdz | whoops! (misplaced putty right click!) |
| 13:51.31 | keesj | I have the same problem when I use the gnome terminal control-mouse button paste! |
| 13:51.34 | keesj | pasts |
| 13:51.50 | keesj | pastes |
| 13:55.22 | lardman | kulve: Thanks for the link. I don;t know suomi unfortunately even if I could get the thesis |
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| 13:59.28 | cy- | hahaha wtf |
| 13:59.31 | cy- | why?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1njdOgxeP3I |
| 14:01.16 | kulve | lardman: ah, sorry, I though I would be in english.. Sorry about that.. |
| 14:01.35 | konttori | cy-: actually, not that bad idea if you really need something like that. |
| 14:01.42 | cy- | .... |
| 14:01.47 | konttori | otow: I would rather use bt kb |
| 14:01.47 | cy- | uhhh |
| 14:01.49 | cy- | I guess |
| 14:01.49 | cy- | heh |
| 14:01.57 | kulve | lardman: well, I'm going to read it and I can give out all the interesting details, if there is any :) |
| 14:02.09 | konttori | well, for example if he needs to connect camera to the device... or something else that uses usb |
| 14:05.34 | ColdFuzzy | we'll have host mode in the next update or not? |
| 14:05.58 | gwak | this weekend i m building a case out of a moleskin book |
| 14:06.06 | gwak | the dimensions are perfect |
| 14:06.26 | chrissturm | hmm, how can I set the AT commands that the n800 sends to the mobile? |
| 14:06.50 | lardman | kulve: It would be interesting to see an example using dspgateway, but I don;t think there's anything too hard about it. Rather the DSP-side code is probably the hard bit to make fast |
| 14:07.10 | ColdFuzzy | ummm guys... |
| 14:07.13 | ColdFuzzy | OS 2007 edición v. 2.2006.51-6 is available now! |
| 14:07.25 | gwak | where? |
| 14:07.34 | konttori | sweet |
| 14:07.43 | cy- | WHAT? |
| 14:08.05 | inz | That's like ancient |
| 14:08.07 | konttori | isn't that the old version? |
| 14:08.21 | cy- | yeah wtf |
| 14:08.24 | gwak | i see nothing on maemo.org |
| 14:08.38 | konttori | correct one is probably 6-2007-something ... if it comes today |
| 14:08.58 | kulve | lardman: I compiled the dspgaway long time ago (before 770 was out) on omap1510 and it wasn't hard, like you say. |
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| 14:09.42 | kulve | lardman: but it doesn't often matter even if you dsp code is slow, as long as it's fast enough to e.g. decode audio in realtime. |
| 14:09.46 | lardman | kulve: Likewise it's quite easy to make the examples work (on the N800, the 770 is a different story imo), I just want to produce a demo of something useful to get people interested in using it |
| 14:10.01 | lardman | kulve: True, as long as some work is taken off the ARM |
| 14:10.34 | kulve | yeah |
| 14:10.56 | lardman | ~lart ColdFuzzy for the false alarm |
| 14:10.56 | infobot | takes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down ColdFuzzy's throat until ColdFuzzy puts on 150lbs for the false alarm |
| 14:11.10 | lardman | ;) |
| 14:11.11 | gwak | hehe |
| 14:11.36 | konttori | apparently update wizard has been updated to a new version. |
| 14:11.51 | gwak | kont:is that on the nokia.com site? |
| 14:12.13 | lardman | http://nds1.nokia.com/files/support/global/phones/software/Nokia_Internet_Tablet_Software_Update_Wizard.exe |
| 14:12.20 | kulve | lardman: the dsp isn't that hard. Too bad, there's not a single open source project for it.. |
| 14:12.40 | lardman | kulve: Well there's the dspgateway, or do you mean using it? |
| 14:12.47 | kulve | yeah, using it |
| 14:12.58 | lardman | true, perhaps that could change |
| 14:13.01 | kulve | maybe the projects are a bit boring, since they are mostly calculation (codecs etc), no fancy UI etc.. |
| 14:13.36 | lardman | also normal c code will run on any processor, while the dsp code is only for the dsp (due to the dsp-isms), which reduces the number of interested parties |
| 14:13.39 | suihkulokki | naah, just anyone who learns the dsp tend's to get hired to work on propiertary dsp stuff ;) |
| 14:14.24 | kulve | lardman: when do you start the garage project on dspg711? I'm going to follow it closely ;) |
| 14:14.31 | lardman | konttori: Is the download wizard a binary that grabs an image from the web, or does it come with one? |
| 14:15.03 | lardman | kulve: Will do, assuming my gf doesn't kill me over the weekend for ignoring her and using the computer too much! ;) |
| 14:16.40 | kulve | lardman: my summer vacation is starting next week, so I'm mostly afk during the june, but promise to test your code often after that :) |
| 14:16.50 | kulve | july |
| 14:19.01 | lardman | kulve: I'll get started on something. I've written a test harness for the jpeg code I thought I'd write, but have a feeling that's a bit of a big thing to bite off as the first go |
| 14:19.01 | Jaffa | lardman/konttori: FWIW, the Last-Modified date on the update.exe is 8th May 2007. |
| 14:19.22 | lardman | Jaffa: Ah, probably not anything new then |
| 14:19.54 | lardman | Jaffa: Perhaps it just works now (I tried it a while back and it didn't want to work for me) |
| 14:19.55 | cy- | yeah nothing new |
| 14:19.57 | cy- | http://www.nokiausa.com/link?cid=PLAIN_TEXT_189093 |
| 14:22.14 | konttori | Jaffa: Just read that from forum. Should not believe those ;) |
| 14:22.21 | Jaffa | Nope :) |
| 14:22.33 | konttori | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=54805#post54805 |
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| 14:28.07 | lardman | have a nice weekend chaps |
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| 14:30.32 | bstock | so i flashed 2006.3 on my 770, since then if i have it closed up when it's supposed to be in standby, it makes a sound like every 5 minutes and the battery is dead after about 12 hr |
| 14:30.36 | bstock | hrs* |
| 14:31.14 | bstock | anyone else experience this? |
| 14:31.31 | konttori | http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/070628_genesis2_update.html |
| 14:32.44 | gwak | konttori:all these private ventures make the ISS look like a big joke |
| 14:32.56 | konttori | yep |
| 14:33.30 | gwak | i just string'ed the nokia installer files , did not see anything interesting |
| 14:33.33 | konttori | Probably the biggest problem in the ISS is the fact that it needs shuttle to build it. |
| 14:33.37 | Dr_Nunim | 3.2006.49-2 is the latest right? |
| 14:33.55 | bstock | yeah |
| 14:34.24 | Dr_Nunim | Good... |
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| 14:38.55 | gwak | from FlasherGui.exe (OS Edition 2006 Bin files |
| 14:38.56 | gwak | Confirm cancel |
| 14:38.59 | gwak | OS Edition 2005) |
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| 15:16.48 | kakos | Where is the firmware download page? |
| 15:17.02 | Milhouse2 | N800: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php |
| 15:17.15 | Milhouse2 | 770: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_770.php |
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| 15:19.14 | kakos | Still no flasher-3.0 for OS X |
| 15:19.17 | kakos | :( |
| 15:19.25 | kakos | Can I use flasher-2.0 to flash the new firmwares? |
| 15:19.37 | chrissturm | is there a way to display pdfs in portrait mode? |
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| 15:25.43 | komarov | hey all :-) nice holiday, isn't it? |
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| 15:30.48 | kakos | Where's my new image, god damn it? ;) |
| 15:32.36 | Dr_Nunim | erm, on the interwebz |
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| 15:43.50 | unique311 | my desktop wont connect to the internet... |
| 15:44.09 | unique311 | keeps picking up a strange private ip address. |
| 15:44.40 | unique311 | and when i manually add the address and gateway address it doesn't seem to want to connect to the internet.. |
| 15:44.47 | unique311 | but connection seems to be there.. |
| 15:45.12 | unique311 | both notebooks connect wireless and running nice. |
| 15:45.25 | komarov | what's your OS? |
| 15:45.31 | unique311 | xp |
| 15:45.40 | unique311 | does xp have a resolv.conf file |
| 15:45.42 | unique311 | lol |
| 15:46.00 | komarov | uhm... did you mention resolv.conf anywhere? |
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| 15:46.57 | komarov | so what is it seriously? |
| 15:47.08 | unique311 | my desktop won't connect to the net |
| 15:47.14 | unique311 | tried everything |
| 15:47.24 | unique311 | uninstalling drivers.. |
| 15:47.25 | unique311 | ]reinstall |
| 15:47.30 | komarov | what's your OS? :-) |
| 15:47.32 | unique311 | it picks up a wierd ip |
| 15:47.37 | unique311 | a parallels ip.. |
| 15:47.44 | unique311 | parallels is not installed |
| 15:47.50 | unique311 | vmware is not installed... |
| 15:47.57 | unique311 | m os is windows XP |
| 15:48.05 | unique311 | did i say this already... |
| 15:48.22 | komarov | just couldn;'t understand whether you're joking |
| 15:48.33 | komarov | of course there isn't such file there |
| 15:48.43 | komarov | why did you decide to ask this question here? it's maemo stuff discussed there |
| 15:48.53 | unique311 | so why is dhcp not working properly |
| 15:49.06 | komarov | I can help you in a private channel, let's continue ther |
| 15:49.13 | unique311 | because i do not want to go anywhere else and ask.. |
| 15:49.27 | unique311 | figure theirs alot of devs in here..someone might want to throw me a bone. |
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| 15:49.39 | unique311 | forget it man.. |
| 15:49.52 | rhsanborn | Anyone here familiar with imagemagick |
| 15:50.00 | unique311 | maybe i should've siad off topic.. |
| 15:50.03 | komarov | this is very selfish man. I have a question on the channel's topic, but I can't discuss it because you do the offtipic here |
| 15:50.05 | unique311 | said. |
| 15:50.28 | unique311 | ask away... |
| 15:50.36 | unique311 | you don't have to entertain my issues.. |
| 15:50.43 | unique311 | someone else can.. |
| 15:51.12 | rhsanborn | I'm trying to see if imagemagick might work on the 800 simply with a compile as long as only a stripped down version was used... |
| 15:51.20 | unique311 | pupnik you around...i need help man.. |
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| 15:51.39 | komarov | unique311, check out private, I wrote you there |
| 15:52.18 | unique311 | cannot join private.. |
| 15:52.19 | komarov | doesn anyone know how to setup scratchbox to exec 'apt-get update' inside it? |
| 15:52.24 | unique311 | invite only |
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| 15:52.46 | komarov | unique311: look at the channel folders, you should see a private chat there |
| 15:52.51 | unique311 | if you are not a registered user, you cannot send me an IM |
| 15:52.59 | komarov | oops |
| 15:54.14 | unique311 | just tell me in here.. |
| 15:54.25 | unique311 | no one will mind...i hope not.. |
| 15:56.08 | komarov | any maemo devel here?? |
| 15:56.15 | konttori | Interesting: http://www.newswireless.net/index.cfm/article/3466 |
| 15:56.21 | konttori | komarov: where else? |
| 15:56.45 | konttori | Oh, the link is to an article that apple would launch 3g iphone deal on monday |
| 15:56.47 | komarov | tried to ask somewhere like on #scrathbox but there's too few people |
| 15:57.08 | komarov | #scratchbox i meant |
| 15:57.15 | konttori | this is the best place to ask |
| 15:57.31 | komarov | I want to start developing for maemo but can't setup scratchbox under Debian, need some help |
| 15:57.47 | konttori | get the vmware image |
| 15:57.56 | konttori | it's by far the easiest way |
| 15:58.13 | komarov | wow, I'll check it out. Haven't heard about it before |
| 15:58.33 | konttori | it's completey pre-configured for development |
| 15:58.47 | komarov | I live on maemo.org for a couple of days but haven't noticed it anywhere |
| 15:58.49 | Dr_Nunim | Hrm nuts, LCARS failed to properly restore all of the original images. |
| 15:58.50 | unique311 | has the worng ip addressssssss |
| 15:58.51 | konttori | As in, just change the root and user password and it's ready |
| 15:58.55 | komarov | could you help finding link? |
| 15:59.13 | komarov | <unique311> I registered and wrote you to the private again |
| 15:59.15 | konttori | DR_Nunim: you probably need to restart |
| 15:59.20 | Dr_Nunim | Did that. |
| 15:59.23 | unique311 | i know komarov |
| 15:59.34 | unique311 | i'm writing this on my notebook.. |
| 15:59.51 | unique311 | the desktop listed a bunch of stuff for ipconf /all |
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| 15:59.55 | unique311 | wrong ip... |
| 15:59.58 | unique311 | strange ip.. |
| 16:00.00 | konttori | Ok, then install any theme maker theme and uninstall that. It will manually copy the 'original' images that it has. |
| 16:00.10 | unique311 | komarov |
| 16:00.24 | unique311 | get the vmware image from vmware |
| 16:00.26 | Dr_Nunim | k |
| 16:00.40 | unique311 | theres a torrent link for it.. |
| 16:00.40 | konttori | for example this: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1615/NuvoBlack.deb |
| 16:00.52 | Dr_Nunim | btw, whats the rechage time on the 770? |
| 16:00.54 | komarov | <unique311> don't advice me things on topics you don' understand please |
| 16:01.05 | unique311 | lol |
| 16:01.09 | konttori | http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/702 |
| 16:01.13 | unique311 | i have scratchbox installed.. |
| 16:01.13 | unique311 | lol |
| 16:01.32 | unique311 | installed it on my desktop and notebook. |
| 16:02.13 | Dr_Nunim | This appears to be a nifty little device, now if only I could figure out the stand :p |
| 16:02.15 | unique311 | i feel bad now....he just completely shun'd my help. |
| 16:02.27 | komarov | <konttori> thanks |
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| 16:03.58 | komarov | <konttori> it'd great if there also were an image for windows |
| 16:04.27 | komarov | <unique311> I have scratchbox installed too but it's not enough yet to start developing |
| 16:04.48 | komarov | <unique311> what's the IP your desktop has been assigned to? |
| 16:05.06 | unique311 | 169.254.0.0 |
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| 16:05.41 | komarov | this means that Windows didn't get response from DHCP and has selected some random IP |
| 16:06.08 | komarov | check that your DHCP client service is running on that machine (run services.msc) |
| 16:06.20 | trevarthan | I can't seek inside my videos on the n800. It locks up. I'm using AVIs encoded with 770encode.pl. Am I doing something wrong, or is seeking just not possible? |
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| 16:07.27 | unique311 | DHCP is working, just that its getting an ip that paralles gives it virtual ethernet adpaters.. |
| 16:07.47 | unique311 | i |
| 16:08.05 | komarov | trevarthan: maybe it was coded using some of the streaming codecs where it's hard to seek. did you try seeking on the desktop? |
| 16:08.27 | unique311 | wow, clarke just went byebye |
| 16:08.31 | komarov | uhm...... |
| 16:08.58 | komarov | <unique311> maybe you should try to assign an IP manually, just set it similar to the IPs of your other devices |
| 16:09.12 | unique311 | i did... |
| 16:09.45 | komarov | ...and? |
| 16:10.38 | unique311 | internet is still down when i do so.. |
| 16:10.57 | unique311 | the connection seems to go thru when i do, but the internet still doesn't work. |
| 16:11.29 | komarov | tell me what you really have - windows inside parallels on Mac? |
| 16:11.38 | unique311 | ? |
| 16:11.52 | komarov | what OSes do you have on your desktop? |
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| 16:14.02 | trevarthan | komarov: so you've got seeking working on an n800 with videos? |
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| 16:17.22 | unique311 | my connection is going crazy as of 12:16 |
| 16:17.45 | komarov | <trevarthan> I never said that :-) |
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| 17:35.52 | monteslu | you know, maemo + python + bluetooth + Lego mindstorms NXT should be a thing of beauty, but man is it a bitch to get this stuff to work |
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| 17:59.14 | Ulukia | Anyone here give me a hand with installing wpeditor on Nokia 770 OS2006? |
| 17:59.46 | pupnik | unique311: question? |
| 17:59.57 | pupnik | sure Ulukia |
| 18:00.38 | Ulukia | I'm getting errors when I try to install the dependancy listed on maemopad+ |
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| 18:01.49 | Ulukia | Let me pull up the exact error, one moment. |
| 18:02.04 | pupnik | Maemopad+ broke here also |
| 18:02.12 | pupnik | back in a minute |
| 18:02.20 | Ulukia | oh |
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| 18:04.53 | unique311 | thought i fixed it.. |
| 18:05.02 | unique311 | but my desktops internet connection is broken.. |
| 18:05.09 | unique311 | running windows xp |
| 18:05.33 | unique311 | dhcp keeps picking up an old parallels virtual ethernet adapters IP.. |
| 18:05.53 | unique311 | and when i manually enter the correct IP...still doesn't work.. |
| 18:06.31 | unique311 | notebooks and N800 seem to connect via wireless on the same network.. |
| 18:06.51 | unique311 | might be zonealarm.. |
| 18:07.46 | Ulukia | Yeah, zonealarm is notorious to fowling wireless networks. (Level II for Hotel Networks) |
| 18:08.44 | unique311 | the wireless connections work.. |
| 18:08.51 | unique311 | just the desktop |
| 18:08.55 | unique311 | which is cable. |
| 18:09.02 | unique311 | the only cable at that.. |
| 18:09.03 | chrissturm | is there a more lightweight IM app than pidgin for maemo? |
| 18:09.48 | pupnik | irssi |
| 18:09.52 | pupnik | oh IM, not IRC |
| 18:10.03 | chrissturm | oh, irc is also interesting |
| 18:10.20 | pupnik | if you find a console based IM client i'm sure it would be easy to compile for the tablet |
| 18:10.21 | `0660 | irssi can be used as an im client when combined with bitlbee :) |
| 18:10.46 | `0660 | that's at least how i use it |
| 18:11.08 | pupnik | unique311 i'm like a feminist housecleaner |
| 18:11.26 | pupnik | "I don't do windows" |
| 18:12.11 | unique311 | i do.. |
| 18:12.17 | unique311 | and am hurting right now. |
| 18:12.23 | unique311 | 6 hours and counting.. |
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| 18:12.39 | unique311 | way to just delete windows network config. |
| 18:12.57 | unique311 | actually do windows on my desktop and thinkpad... |
| 18:13.03 | unique311 | linux in vmware. |
| 18:13.48 | unique311 | not too comfortable with linux still to install it solo |
| 18:14.16 | unique311 | i have osx86 running on my fujitsu notebook... |
| 18:14.31 | unique311 | comfortable with that than linux. |
| 18:14.42 | Feral_Kid | I inadventantly installed a program which did not completely load (zsh)... I tried to remove the package, but it wouldn't allow me... Then I tried to install another package and was told that I need to fire up dpkg and allow it to continue trying to load zsh... Is there anyway to stop the installation of zsh? |
| 18:16.47 | pupnik | wow osx cool |
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| 18:21.29 | unique311 | it works and looks good.. |
| 18:21.31 | unique311 | no complains.. |
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| 18:22.14 | Dr_Nunim | and installing on the card. |
| 18:22.21 | unique311 | graphics support not too good, but there's a bunch of guys working to make steves releases work on all machines.. |
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| 18:27.33 | cy- | So did nokia end up releasing a new firmware? |
| 18:28.24 | Dr_Nunim | I have a simple but seemly obviously question, how do I remove a song from my favorites? In this case it's the internet radio that comes with it. |
| 18:28.58 | Jaffa | cy-: nope |
| 18:31.57 | cy- | Bummer :( |
| 18:33.46 | kakos | Dr_Nunim: Delete and then be sure to select save playlist in the menu. |
| 18:35.14 | Dr_Nunim | Ah save playlist ;p |
| 18:35.38 | Dr_Nunim | I'm spoiled by winamp. |
| 18:36.07 | Ulukia | So, anyway of getting wpeditor to work on OS2006? |
| 18:37.35 | Ulukia | I'm getting incompatible package when I try and install it off the maemopad+ page. |
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| 18:43.41 | pupnik | Ulukia: i think it's broken. Email the author |
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| 18:54.04 | pupnik | in the world of low user-count open source, everyone needs to contribute. including good error reports. |
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| 19:28.17 | bstock | man intel is rumored to be dropping the Q6600 (quad core 2.4 ghz) to $266 in the end of July... that's rediculously cheep |
| 19:32.01 | Dr_Nunim | Yup yup :) |
| 19:32.25 | Dr_Nunim | I love my core 2 but 4 core... mmmmmm |
| 19:34.46 | pupnik | It's going to be years before i feel like upgrading from my athlon 2800xp |
| 19:36.13 | pupnik | the returns on investment are getting smaller for computer upgrades |
| 19:36.43 | pupnik | What pisses me off is that we don't have good VR goggles yet |
| 19:37.21 | keesj | Jaffa: are you there? |
| 19:37.21 | pupnik | I'd easily plunk down 1000 euro for wide-angle stereoscopic 1280x960 vr goggles with low-latency head tracking |
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| 19:53.19 | pupnik | The Stranglers - "Golden Brown" -- http://youtube.com/watch?v=I_yOQ8ntzLM great song |
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| 19:58.34 | keesj | pupnik: for me it's a song that I have heard so much that I think I like it because I reconize it |
| 19:58.52 | keesj | what's is about? |
| 19:59.45 | Dr_Nunim | Hrm fudgesicles |
| 19:59.54 | Dr_Nunim | I'm somehow managed to rid myself of scroll bar images. |
| 20:01.25 | Dr_Nunim | Unless opera has a display scroll bar setting like every other program that I'm just too retarded to find. |
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| 20:13.38 | KaylaKaze | package here! |
| 20:16.37 | pupnik | keesj: hash |
| 20:18.23 | keesj | we have nederwiet here |
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| 20:21.39 | keesj | xmoto depends on libode0c2 but is it not going to be installed *you moron* |
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| 20:28.01 | nate12o6 | anyone have a working pptp client on there 770? |
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| 20:29.45 | sbaturzio | Aloha! |
| 20:30.57 | nate12o6 | hi |
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| 20:32.20 | bstock | pupnik: once i've had more than 1 core, i can't stand working on a single core box anymore |
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| 20:43.38 | KaylaKaze | I cna't get this stupid thing on my WLAN :-( |
| 20:49.16 | Dr_Nunim | Whats wrong? |
| 20:49.18 | Dr_Nunim | Not detecting it? |
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| 20:53.06 | Inferno18 | hey, anyone here? |
| 20:53.20 | pupnik | depends |
| 20:53.32 | Inferno18 | i need a bit of help :) |
| 20:54.23 | Inferno18 | i was just wondering if anyone has worked out a way of getting around 33: cu: not found for os 2006 |
| 20:55.27 | pupnik | ? |
| 20:55.40 | pupnik | copper not found'? |
| 20:56.15 | KaylaKaze | YaY! My dnd char sheet webpage works great on the nokia! |
| 20:56.36 | Inferno18 | call up "cu" |
| 20:56.51 | Inferno18 | you know the call up another system thing |
| 20:57.10 | pupnik | that was for modems right? back around 1989? |
| 20:57.47 | pupnik | yeah i remember now.. i used it on my NeXT box to dial up university |
| 20:57.53 | Inferno18 | its for the nokia 770 |
| 20:57.58 | ericz | KaylaKaze, how do you know? |
| 20:58.09 | ericz | don't tell me you got yours :( before me! |
| 20:58.18 | pupnik | KaylaKaze: got a url? |
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| 21:14.38 | Dr_Nunim | ahhh ftp client = super useful |
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| 21:20.03 | nate337 | can i get a little help installing a pptp client on my 770? for now i managed to flash the kernal to the zImage-su-18-200639-2gb-mmcplus52Mhz, i also downloaded a pptp comand line client but when i try to connect it says /usr/sbin/pppd: The remote system is required to authenticate itself |
| 21:20.12 | nate337 | I dont know how to input a username or password |
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| 21:22.51 | pupnik | can't help nate337, sorry |
| 21:24.24 | nate337 | :( |
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| 21:40.03 | nate337 | anyone in here formiliar with gizmo? |
| 21:41.06 | pupnik | 260 euro = about $312 dollars :( :( :( |
| 21:41.26 | pupnik | Thanks europe! USA = $130, Europe = $312 |
| 21:42.05 | nate337 | is it possible to actually dial out with my asterisk dialplan using the gizmo project? |
| 21:43.03 | pupnik | nate337: maybe try internettablettalk.com forums |
| 21:43.21 | nate337 | thanks. will do |
| 21:46.19 | KaylaKaze | I'm starting to get annoyed. every pdf viewer is crashing on this |
| 21:47.00 | Dr_Nunim | is your pdf really big? |
| 21:47.08 | KaylaKaze | 10mb |
| 21:48.35 | KaylaKaze | and now, Envince has completely locked it up |
| 21:48.51 | KaylaKaze | or had locked it... until it crashed |
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| 22:10.30 | unique311 | my dekstop just died on me.. |
| 22:10.34 | unique311 | BSOD...wow |
| 22:10.43 | unique311 | fucking zonealarm.. |
| 22:11.03 | unique311 | recomendations for a new firewall are welcomed... |
| 22:11.16 | kakos | I recommend ipf |
| 22:11.24 | unique311 | ipf? |
| 22:12.20 | unique311 | kakos, this is windows xp man.. |
| 22:12.28 | unique311 | something on the lines |
| 22:14.18 | kakos | unique311: It was a subtle jab at your choice of OS |
| 22:14.20 | kakos | :-P |
| 22:14.29 | unique311 | ok... |
| 22:14.47 | unique311 | not sure why windows is so bad to people... |
| 22:15.25 | unique311 | been thru many of the linux flavors....a regular user would be completely lost in linux. |
| 22:16.10 | unique311 | i can manage, but xp is on my desktop for a reason.... |
| 22:16.41 | unique311 | Adobe CS3 last time i check is not made available to the linux world... |
| 22:16.47 | unique311 | corel painter also |
| 22:17.05 | unique311 | alot of apps i make use of ar enot available to linux. |
| 22:17.24 | unique311 | that jab you took at my choice of OS's sucked kakos... |
| 22:17.36 | kakos | Yeah, I know |
| 22:17.37 | kakos | :( |
| 22:18.17 | kakos | My mind is currently dominated by an overwhelming desire to buy an iPhone. My "witty repertoire" process doesn't have the nice value to get cycles many cycles |
| 22:18.32 | monteslu | don't do it |
| 22:18.39 | unique311 | i can work with gimp....but i have favorites...and right now none of my favorites are Made for Linux |
| 22:18.54 | unique311 | iphone.. |
| 22:19.12 | unique311 | outdated before its release today.. |
| 22:19.21 | unique311 | not sure i would do it kakos |
| 22:19.21 | kakos | I know! |
| 22:19.26 | kakos | It's such a flawed device |
| 22:19.29 | kakos | But I want it |
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| 22:19.56 | kakos | The Elder God Steve Jobs calls to me in my dreams from a strange city built on a foundation of non-Euclidean reality distortion fields. |
| 22:20.34 | unique311 | steve jobs....saw this hackers document with him in it |
| 22:20.39 | kakos | Ia! Ia! Jobs fhtagn! |
| 22:20.45 | unique311 | as a youngster |
| 22:21.36 | Dr_Nunim | Pirates of Silicon Valley? :p |
| 22:21.43 | unique311 | linux is based on unix or is it vise versa? |
| 22:21.46 | Dr_Nunim | Dat was sum good movie. |
| 22:21.54 | Dr_Nunim | Yeah Linux is based on unix. |
| 22:22.45 | unique311 | always wondered why he is not attacked..like bill gates is.. |
| 22:23.11 | Dr_Nunim | Attacked for what? |
| 22:23.44 | unique311 | linux unlike unix is opensource, right? |
| 22:24.12 | unique311 | bare with me trying to understand something.. |
| 22:24.22 | derf | No. |
| 22:24.33 | derf | BSD, for example, is an open source Unix. |
| 22:24.48 | Dr_Nunim | Unix < Linux |
| 22:24.50 | derf | Unix is fractured into lots of different flavors. |
| 22:24.56 | Dr_Nunim | At least in terms of easy of use. |
| 22:24.56 | unique311 | ok. |
| 22:25.15 | unique311 | so you come up with your own flavor of unix you can profit of it if you want... |
| 22:25.31 | derf | Including a custom proprietary flavor for every major vender that tried to sell hardware that ran it. |
| 22:25.50 | Dr_Nunim | You can come up with your own flavor of linux too and profit from it. |
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| 22:26.12 | unique311 | but then people will hunt you down and try to kill you.. |
| 22:26.32 | derf | Well, that or post mean blog entries about you. |
| 22:26.39 | unique311 | lol |
| 22:26.44 | kakos | Dr_Nunim: You got it backwards. Unix > Linux |
| 22:26.47 | Dr_Nunim | Lies! |
| 22:27.11 | unique311 | ok... |
| 22:27.21 | unique311 | now for the million dollar question.. |
| 22:27.22 | Dr_Nunim | Unix is very hard for me. |
| 22:27.36 | unique311 | and i hope i don't get fuc@#$d for this.. |
| 22:27.47 | kakos | :-P |
| 22:27.52 | unique311 | why is everyone mad at bill gates? |
| 22:27.59 | Dr_Nunim | They're jealous? |
| 22:28.04 | derf | unique311: Because he has a lot of money. |
| 22:28.08 | Fatal | are people mad at him? |
| 22:28.09 | unique311 | ok |
| 22:28.10 | derf | And they don't. |
| 22:28.10 | Fatal | seriously? |
| 22:28.11 | Dr_Nunim | I wouldn't mind billions. |
| 22:28.12 | kakos | unique311: Lots of unsavoury business practices, I think is the big thing |
| 22:28.27 | kakos | unique311: Also, Windows has a reputation for being fairly subpar as far as software goes |
| 22:28.32 | unique311 | all big business lie |
| 22:28.34 | Dr_Nunim | I don't think Microsoft is the real enemy, my ISP is. |
| 22:28.38 | unique311 | thats how they make lots of money.. |
| 22:28.46 | Dr_Nunim | $89 a month for DSL, it's robbery! |
| 22:28.50 | unique311 | big corperations can't be truthful 100% |
| 22:28.53 | derf | unique311: Nothing to do with lying. |
| 22:29.10 | unique311 | unsavoury business practices |
| 22:29.12 | Fatal | I fear apple and google more than I fear microsoft |
| 22:29.18 | unique311 | lies don't fall under that. |
| 22:29.30 | derf | MS invented things like charging vendors for Windows licenses based on the number of computers sold, not the number of computers sold with Windows. |
| 22:29.34 | unique311 | i think google take the cake |
| 22:29.46 | derf | (so every computer sold included Windows) |
| 22:29.49 | Dr_Nunim | Google is pretty evil. |
| 22:29.54 | Dr_Nunim | but they don't act like it. |
| 22:29.56 | kakos | Google doesn't scare me. Neither does Apple. |
| 22:30.29 | unique311 | apple scares me...everyone i talk to own a macintosh.. |
| 22:30.35 | derf | They also have some fantastic accounting practices (all of which, as far as I'm aware, are perfectly legal) |
| 22:30.39 | unique311 | and when i ask them why... |
| 22:30.43 | unique311 | because its perty.. |
| 22:30.50 | kakos | I own Apple computers |
| 22:30.54 | Dr_Nunim | Really? |
| 22:30.57 | Dr_Nunim | Can I have some shares? |
| 22:30.58 | Dr_Nunim | :o |
| 22:31.05 | unique311 | people are buying macs based on looks.. |
| 22:31.10 | kakos | Why do I prefer them? Because it is a Unix-based OS with a really nice GUI |
| 22:31.16 | kakos | It's basically what Linux is trying to be. |
| 22:31.29 | Dr_Nunim | I really like Mac monitors... |
| 22:32.09 | kakos | unique311: Macs are nice because they are very usable, very efficient, very well-designed, and they look good on top of it. |
| 22:32.26 | kakos | I dislike the people who buy them for just the last part, but I won't deny that it is a part of why they are appealing to me |
| 22:32.32 | unique311 | not sure i understand right now after asking, why bill gates is so hated? |
| 22:32.51 | unique311 | kakos: people are buying macs because of looks... |
| 22:32.59 | unique311 | and thats it. |
| 22:33.04 | monteslu | unique311++ |
| 22:33.05 | kakos | unique311: He's viewed as a malevolent force whose unsavoury business practices tends to stifle innovation in the computer industry. |
| 22:33.19 | derf | kakos: Only SOME people want Linux to be Unix with a really nice GUI. |
| 22:33.19 | kakos | unique311: I know there are people who do so. I dislike them. I'm not one of them. |
| 22:33.45 | unique311 | not good to dislike.. |
| 22:33.46 | Milhouse2 | Nothing wrong with eye candy |
| 22:33.50 | unique311 | hatred follows. |
| 22:33.58 | unique311 | a couple of steps behind. |
| 22:34.41 | kakos | As long as the eye candy is supported by functionality. |
| 22:34.50 | monteslu | When I can drop my t-mobile sim card into the iphone and write my own apps for it, I might consider one |
| 22:34.53 | kakos | And Apple is very good at providing things that have lots of eye candy but are also very functional |
| 22:34.58 | Milhouse2 | kakos: Absolutely, which in the case of Apple it usually is |
| 22:35.09 | kakos | Yup |
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| 22:35.31 | kakos | monteslu: Consciously, I agree. But I still want an iPhone. I like new gadgets too much to not want one |
| 22:35.33 | monteslu | one hardware vendor, one software vendor, one wireless service provider... fuck that |
| 22:35.43 | unique311 | danm, my desktop really died... |
| 22:35.51 | unique311 | need to reinstall windows... |
| 22:35.52 | unique311 | yeah |
| 22:35.56 | Milhouse2 | monteslu: I don't think the SIM is accessible in the iPhone... |
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| 22:36.03 | monteslu | its not |
| 22:36.11 | monteslu | its completely locked down |
| 22:36.16 | derf | Wanting an iPhone is okay. Paying $1220 for one for the first year is not. |
| 22:36.20 | Milhouse2 | Also, the iPhone won't function on networks that don't have the back end server infrastructure |
| 22:36.23 | dragorn | You can't even replace the battery in an iphone :P |
| 22:36.33 | pupnik | The FIC Neo1973 is a cooler phone. Linux and 640x480. |
| 22:36.40 | KaylaKaze | grr I installed dropbear and I can connect to it from the 770 but not from another computer on the network, even though I can connect to the 770's web server |
| 22:36.40 | Milhouse2 | So even if the SIM were replaceable, it's unlikely to work on any other network than AT&T right now |
| 22:36.55 | monteslu | Milhouse2, and that makes it garbage |
| 22:36.55 | Fatal | pupnik: plus, it's welte supported! :) |
| 22:37.04 | Milhouse2 | KaylaKaze: why dropbear - I've always used openssh |
| 22:37.05 | kakos | So, anyone hear anything about the new firmware for the N800? Any chance it will be out today? |
| 22:37.11 | pupnik | welte Fatal? |
| 22:37.15 | Milhouse2 | menteslu: yep :) |
| 22:37.29 | edt | where can one generate valid routes for maemo mapper? |
| 22:37.32 | KaylaKaze | Milhouse2: 'cause it was on the list :-) |
| 22:37.42 | Milhouse2 | monteslu: and the iPhone will be superceeded by a newer and better version on Monday (apparently) when the 3G European version is announced! |
| 22:37.48 | kakos | KaylaKaze: I'd highly recommend openssh over dropbear |
| 22:37.48 | unique311 | firmware definitely not today.. |
| 22:38.03 | KaylaKaze | I was jsut tryign to get to root fast so I can get SAMBA sharing working |
| 22:38.05 | monteslu | Isn't openmoko about to be released as well? |
| 22:38.12 | edt | I get errors with the url they supply |
| 22:38.13 | kakos | monteslu: July 20, I heard |
| 22:38.22 | Fatal | pupnik: harald |
| 22:38.24 | rwhitby | july 9 |
| 22:38.25 | kakos | unique311: Definitely not today? Why not? |
| 22:38.36 | monteslu | openmoko seems way more interesting to me |
| 22:38.45 | monteslu | though, they should've just used maemo |
| 22:38.54 | Fatal | pffrth |
| 22:39.10 | edt | Eee 701 from asus looks interesting.. |
| 22:39.21 | unique311 | base on the fact that workday is done.... |
| 22:39.28 | unique311 | 6:39 |
| 22:39.33 | Milhouse2 | monteslu - if they manage the development and release process more transparently than Nokia I think OpenMoko will be way more interesting than Maemo. |
| 22:39.34 | unique311 | unless nokia is overseas |
| 22:39.43 | kakos | Well... it's past midnight where Nokia is |
| 22:40.00 | monteslu | Milhouse2, hopefully. |
| 22:40.01 | unique311 | and holiday is here....for them |
| 22:40.08 | pupnik | nice to see Milhouse2 again :) |
| 22:40.15 | Milhouse2 | hello pupnik :) |
| 22:40.25 | rwhitby | Milhouse2: openmoko svn commits appear in #openmoko - can't get more open than that :-) |
| 22:40.58 | Fatal | shame nokia are who they are, and all the suck that comes with it |
| 22:41.01 | rwhitby | (including commits for future yet-to-be-announced products) |
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| 22:41.25 | Milhouse2 | rwhitby - indeed, and I bet they have no problems discussing future releases and release dates, unlike Nokia... |
| 22:41.42 | rwhitby | future plans are always a problem |
| 22:42.07 | monteslu | And hopefully they don't drop software releases for their products after only 1 year like Nokia did |
| 22:42.07 | Fatal | if they're 100% open you won't have the 770 issue there, someone can always correct bugs |
| 22:42.10 | rwhitby | openmoko have been caned by some people in the last few weeks by being late compared to earliest estimates of release dates |
| 22:42.11 | Fatal | !retort nokia |
| 22:42.21 | pupnik | Fatal: chill |
| 22:42.21 | Milhouse2 | Of course Nokia will blame the lack of communication on the corporate mentality blah blah blah... I hope they'll be happy hiding behind that crap when Maemo and Internet Tablets have no community left to communicate with |
| 22:42.55 | Fatal | I don't care much about new features as such, I just want crashes to go away |
| 22:43.26 | monteslu | I just want my 1 year old device to still be supported |
| 22:43.29 | pupnik | AFAIK, IT 2007 is largely open. If you want to fix bugs, go ahead. |
| 22:43.32 | Fatal | pupnik: chill? |
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| 22:43.37 | Milhouse2 | Fatal: no chance, Nokia are too busy working on new functionality they are unable to discuss with the likes of you and I! ;) |
| 22:44.07 | Milhouse2 | pupnik: It's tricky fixing bugs in apps where the source code isn't available |
| 22:44.08 | unique311 | busy working on new devices maybe |
| 22:44.09 | Dr_Nunim | I wouldn't have bought mine if not for the community aps available. |
| 22:44.13 | unique311 | not features |
| 22:44.17 | monteslu | Nokia could have spent another year on maemo before they went and released the 800 |
| 22:44.35 | monteslu | way to screw over the early adopters |
| 22:44.36 | Milhouse2 | pupnik: I'd happily have a go at fixing trivial bugs in Media Player for instance, but it's closed source |
| 22:44.43 | Fatal | the community is excellent, nokia however are not :/ |
| 22:45.09 | unique311 | agree complete with Fatal |
| 22:46.17 | unique311 | guess the community is the open source part about the devices. |
| 22:46.56 | pupnik | Mediaplayer is like windows media player. I don't care for the bundled apps. |
| 22:46.56 | Fatal | it's not like I'm going to throw my 770 out the window in a fit of rage over nokias idiocy, would just be nice to know that someday maybe just that bug in that closed driver could be fixed. but they took that away :) |
| 22:47.07 | Fatal | I care more about the drivers |
| 22:47.11 | Fatal | but oh well |
| 22:47.18 | Fatal | time for sleep, toodles |
| 22:47.24 | pupnik | CU Fatal. I agree btw |
| 22:47.25 | suihkulokki | Fatal: what driver? |
| 22:47.46 | pupnik | It's reasonable to expect bugfixes in driver and core OS |
| 22:48.10 | pupnik | But if a bundled app isn't perfect, just use an opensource alternative. |
| 22:48.42 | Dr_Nunim | I'm not sure which is worse, clawsmail or the bundled one. |
| 22:49.12 | pupnik | Dr_Nunim: you want me to port pine? |
| 22:49.21 | Dr_Nunim | isn't there already a port? |
| 22:49.25 | pupnik | dunno |
| 22:49.53 | Dr_Nunim | No, I was hoping for something decent gui based. |
| 22:50.05 | Milhouse2 | Pine was ported to OS2006 |
| 22:50.06 | Milhouse2 | http://downloads.maemo.org/product/pine/ |
| 22:50.53 | ericz | does the 770 come with a preinstalled/default email client? |
| 22:51.06 | ericz | (preferably that supports ssl/tls?) |
| 22:51.08 | Milhouse2 | The email situation on the Internet Tablets is criminal, as is the RSS app. Nokia should forget about adding new functionality while the existing functionality is so lamentable |
| 22:51.12 | Dr_Nunim | SSL I think. |
| 22:51.23 | Milhouse2 | ericz: Yes, but you'll hate it |
| 22:51.28 | ericz | really? why? |
| 22:51.32 | Milhouse2 | It's crap |
| 22:51.42 | Dr_Nunim | Neither of the two available clients are very good. |
| 22:51.58 | KaylaKaze | dammit! opera crashes every time I try to make a bookmark |
| 22:52.01 | ericz | would it be any better to check gmail just by going to gmail.com ? |
| 22:52.12 | Dr_Nunim | Many people do. |
| 22:52.57 | Milhouse2 | sp3000: yeah, definately :) |
| 22:53.06 | suihkulokki | just a whining day like every other |
| 22:53.22 | ericz | i'd really prefer ssl email :( especially on a random open wifi network |
| 22:53.29 | KaylaKaze | I am SOOO pissed about this pice of crap! |
| 22:53.32 | Milhouse2 | suihkilokki: Maybe there's a message in there somewhere? ;) |
| 22:53.40 | pupnik | It depends on what you compare it to. Considering the quality of the apps microsoft bundled with - say - windows 98..... :) |
| 22:53.42 | Dr_Nunim | If the onboard doesn't support it then claws does. |
| 22:54.01 | sp3000 | ericz: ssl works fine iirc |
| 22:54.16 | Dr_Nunim | btw, is the n800 mail client any better? |
| 22:54.24 | Milhouse2 | Same as 770 :( |
| 22:54.28 | Dr_Nunim | :( |
| 22:54.48 | KaylaKaze | now why the fuck would Opera crash everytime I try to save a bookmark!? it makes no sense |
| 22:55.16 | Milhouse2 | No real change between OS 2006 and OS 2007 as far as the major apps are concerned, cosmetic tweaks mostly, and in the case of Media Player on OS 2007 it's less usable than it was on OS 2006 |
| 22:55.28 | Milhouse2 | KaylaKaze - bookmarks corrupted? |
| 22:55.39 | Dr_Nunim | I haven't taken the plunge to 2007 yet, I will eventually. |
| 22:56.11 | KaylaKaze | Milhouse2: the bookmarks already there work fine |
| 22:56.17 | Dr_Nunim | plus I thought it had some sort of new browsing engine? |
| 22:56.17 | KaylaKaze | and I've only had it a couple hours |
| 22:56.21 | Dr_Nunim | as well as better flash support |
| 22:56.22 | ericz | i'm guessing the n770 version of opera doesn't do the "Speed Dial" start page like on desktop version? :P |
| 22:56.22 | Milhouse2 | RSS App has more bugs on OS 2007 than it did on OS 2006 - and it's a pretty simple app... which is disturbing. |
| 22:56.46 | Dr_Nunim | Nope, thats an opera 9 goodie. |
| 22:58.00 | Milhouse2 | I think it's Opera 8.5 in OS 2007 for N800 - 8.1 in OS 2006. No change of Opera version in OS 2007 HE on 770, same as OS 2006 (ie. no bug fixes etc.) |
| 22:58.12 | suihkulokki | Milhouse2: my impression is that the whiners complain about the bundled propiertary software, but they don't actually bother to write anything better themselfs.. |
| 22:59.00 | Milhouse2 | suihkulokki - while that may be true, it's not unreasonable for people to expect better quality software than Nokia currently ship |
| 22:59.32 | suihkulokki | Milhouse2: then they say if Nokia would open source (insert pet piece of code) the community would fix it (never mind the fact that almost nobody contributed to current free code parts) |
| 23:00.01 | pupnik | exactly, suihkulokki |
| 23:01.25 | suihkulokki | Milhouse2: I agree some parts are horrible.. |
| 23:03.35 | Milhouse2 | As far as the built-in apps are concerned, I get the impression that Nokia seem unwilling to accept some bugs are even bugs in the first place |
| 23:03.35 | unique311 | not sure about the write anything better themselves part of that comment suihkulokki |
| 23:04.19 | Milhouse2 | Why waste time working on a patch only to have it rejected by Nokia because it doesn't fit in with their unannounced and therefore secret future plans? |
| 23:04.44 | Milhouse2 | Have a look at some of the RSS bugs I've filed... nightmare. |
| 23:04.48 | KaylaKaze | wow! I've had this 3 hours and already it seems like it'll have to be flashed to original settings] |
| 23:05.00 | Milhouse2 | KaylaKaze: :( |
| 23:05.36 | Milhouse2 | KaylaKaze: out of interest, what's the current shipping version - still 3.2007.10-1? |
| 23:05.53 | KaylaKaze | I don't know. this is a 770 |
| 23:06.12 | unique311 | if you a developer with the skills then, more power to you....but what about the everyday user that expects nokia to be putting out software, they want to use. |
| 23:06.21 | Milhouse2 | oh right, sorry... should be 3.2006.49-2 in that case |
| 23:06.28 | KaylaKaze | none of my background is showing up now |
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| 23:09.39 | KaylaKaze | how do you reboot this thing? |
| 23:09.48 | Milhouse2 | Pull out the battery |
| 23:10.15 | Milhouse2 | Holding down the Power Button for a few seconds may also work, but pulling the battery is the ultimate reset :) |
| 23:10.21 | Dr_Nunim | Hehe. |
| 23:10.51 | Dr_Nunim | Yeah 3.2006.49-2 is shipping. |
| 23:11.05 | KaylaKaze | http://kaylakaze.sytes.net/screenshot00.png that's what my home screen looks like |
| 23:11.59 | Milhouse2 | Dr Nunim - thanks... I know when the N800 was first released they shipped a slightly newer version to that which could be downloaded (2.2006.51-7 on device, 2.2006.51-6 for download). Can't remember the reason for the change - something minor. |
| 23:12.23 | Milhouse2 | KaylaKaze - try changing the theme |
| 23:12.37 | Milhouse2 | Or reboot |
| 23:13.05 | KaylaKaze | I tried changing the theme. It errored and said "Can't load file" or something to that extent |
| 23:13.13 | KaylaKaze | and I don't know how to reboot it |
| 23:13.17 | Milhouse2 | See above |
| 23:13.45 | KaylaKaze | well, I turned it off and back on, but that didn't help |
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| 23:14.24 | Milhouse2 | Try removing the battery, just to make sure |
| 23:14.33 | KaylaKaze | just did |
| 23:14.36 | Milhouse2 | ok |
| 23:14.44 | Milhouse2 | Guess a reflash might be needed :( |
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| 23:15.16 | KaylaKaze | well, I'm waitingfor it to start up |
| 23:15.35 | KaylaKaze | though it looks like it might not be |
| 23:15.51 | KaylaKaze | there it goes |
| 23:16.12 | Milhouse2 | KaylaKaze: Any better? |
| 23:16.43 | KaylaKaze | yeah, but it was hooked to my pc and apparently went into update mode |
| 23:18.02 | KaylaKaze | and bookmarks are working noe |
| 23:18.10 | Milhouse2 | cool |
| 23:20.05 | Dr_Nunim | :) |
| 23:20.17 | Dr_Nunim | Now where did my Opera scroll bars run off to... |
| 23:24.03 | *** part/#maemo nhdezoito_adrian (n=nhdezoit@86.59.25.121) |
| 23:25.13 | pupnik | if the site is small, the scrollbars don't show up. if it's not, try hitting the minimize button (top left) twice |
| 23:25.30 | pupnik | s/site/page |
| 23:25.37 | pupnik | o good, that bot is gone |
| 23:26.25 | KaylaKaze | doh! somehow Opera turned off it's javascript |
| 23:27.50 | sp3000 | hmm, where'd my planet subscribe go |
| 23:28.27 | sp3000 | or maybe I didn't have it there |
| 23:28.29 | sp3000 | weird |
| 23:28.42 | Dr_Nunim | Kayla, Opera>Tools>Settings |
| 23:28.44 | sp3000 | no wonder it's been quiet :) |
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| 23:29.39 | KaylaKaze | it'd be nice if this opera had a javascript console so I coudl see why the page isn't working right on it |
| 23:29.49 | sp3000 | wtfbbq |
| 23:30.53 | sp3000 | ...which isn't really feasible with atom because the content type is supposedly, uh, known |
| 23:31.54 | sp3000 | oh nm it's some obsolete version from the nineties |
| 23:32.39 | ericz | KaylaKaze, so what am i going to have problems with when i get my n770? :P i see mine's in maryland |
| 23:32.58 | KaylaKaze | Dr_Nunim: yeah, I knew where it was, I just don't know how it got turned off and that explained why my page wasn't working at all |
| 23:33.42 | Milhouse2 | There has been mention in the past on ITT that Javascript may get turned off for no reason at all |
| 23:34.02 | KaylaKaze | ericz: well, I can't get my desktop to ssh into it... I can't get the book readers to not crash... for some reason my DND character sheet page isn't working right in some of the calculation... |
| 23:34.07 | Milhouse2 | It's never happened to me, and I don't think a bug has been raised for it, not that it would help |
| 23:34.28 | ericz | can't ssh why? :/ that's like my first thing-to-do. |
| 23:34.34 | KaylaKaze | and now I jsut got a message saying it can't install samba |
| 23:34.48 | Dr_Nunim | My opera problem: http://dragon-gaming.com/screenshot03.png |
| 23:34.51 | KaylaKaze | it just says "connection refused" |
| 23:34.53 | Dr_Nunim | I tried the zooming out but nothing. |
| 23:35.05 | KaylaKaze | I can ssh into itself but that doesn't help when you have to type stuff |
| 23:36.42 | ericz | ssh to self is easiest way to get root, right? |
| 23:37.29 | Dr_Nunim | I just used gainroot |
| 23:37.46 | KaylaKaze | well, ssh from something else would be nice. Though it'd be nicer not to have to root in the first place |
| 23:38.17 | *** join/#maemo rhys (n=rhys@dialup-4.224.246.91.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) |
| 23:38.24 | Milhouse2 | kaylakaze: can you ping it? |
| 23:38.24 | ericz | you can ssh to it from elsewhere, right? |
| 23:38.32 | Dr_Nunim | So anyone have some thoughts on where my scroll bars went? |
| 23:38.33 | KaylaKaze | wow! this Discovery channel video it comes with is only 2.6 M and 46 seconds long |
| 23:38.54 | Milhouse2 | Dr Nunim - have you got optimized view enabled? |
| 23:38.57 | KaylaKaze | Milhouse2: I haven't tried pinging it, but I can connect to the web server on it |
| 23:38.58 | Dr_Nunim | Nope. |
| 23:39.06 | Milhouse2 | what web server? |
| 23:39.27 | KaylaKaze | ngibx |
| 23:39.29 | Milhouse2 | or you mean you can access the internet from your 770 |
| 23:39.31 | KaylaKaze | nginx |
| 23:39.52 | KaylaKaze | I installed nginx on it and I'm able to connect to it from my pc |
| 23:39.57 | sp3000 | Dr_Nunim: yeah it's a bitt odd that you have page parts for scrollbar graphics I guess |
| 23:40.00 | Milhouse2 | establish if you have basic connectivity first |
| 23:40.02 | sp3000 | do the scrollbars work though? |
| 23:40.12 | Dr_Nunim | Yeah they work fine. |
| 23:40.13 | Milhouse2 | maybe the web server has screwed things up |
| 23:40.16 | Dr_Nunim | They're just invisible. |
| 23:40.32 | sp3000 | have you *cough* rebooted? |
| 23:40.36 | Dr_Nunim | Yes... |
| 23:40.43 | Milhouse2 | Dr Nunim - is it theme related? or as sp3000 suggests... reboot :( |
| 23:40.45 | Dr_Nunim | That was the first thing I tried. |
| 23:40.57 | Dr_Nunim | Default theme. |
| 23:41.02 | sp3000 | did you have charger connected at the time? |
| 23:41.02 | Milhouse2 | odd |
| 23:41.12 | Dr_Nunim | Nope. |
| 23:41.15 | Dr_Nunim | Did hard reboot. |
| 23:41.20 | Dr_Nunim | aka removed the battery. |
| 23:41.40 | Dr_Nunim | What does optimize view do by the way |
| 23:41.49 | sp3000 | it lays out the page differently |
| 23:41.50 | Dr_Nunim | I don't notice a difference. |
| 23:41.54 | sp3000 | it tries to squash it |
| 23:42.00 | Milhouse2 | less horizontal scrolling |
| 23:42.03 | sp3000 | to view width |
| 23:42.06 | Dr_Nunim | Ah. |
| 23:42.14 | Milhouse2 | sometimes works, sometimes doesn't :) |
| 23:42.20 | sp3000 | works better or worse, depending on page |
| 23:42.25 | Milhouse2 | wish it were a per-site setting but... |
| 23:42.25 | sp3000 | I usually have it on |
| 23:42.29 | KaylaKaze | do I have to use xterm to run prgrams that don't show up in the menu? |
| 23:42.41 | rhys | depends on the page |
| 23:42.58 | sp3000 | KaylaKaze: I think there's an applet or somethinsomething for running arbitrary programs guifully, somewhere |
| 23:43.02 | sp3000 | , too |
| 23:43.11 | Milhouse2 | yes - or consider one of the status bar apps which may include the ability to run shell programs (one of the screenshot apps I think) |
| 23:43.23 | sp3000 | Dr_Nunim: I guess switching the theme around might |
| 23:43.34 | Dr_Nunim | Just rebooted again |
| 23:43.43 | Dr_Nunim | if that doesn't work I'll try installing a new theme and then uninstalling it. |
| 23:43.45 | KaylaKaze | I saw a file manager in the repository |
| 23:43.49 | Dr_Nunim | Then flash time. |
| 23:44.04 | Milhouse2 | There's a simple app launcher application which may support shell programs |
| 23:45.09 | Dr_Nunim | Nope rebooting didn't help :( |
| 23:45.12 | Dr_Nunim | Time to install theme. |
| 23:45.22 | Dr_Nunim | Well, would switching to another default theme work? |
| 23:46.22 | Milhouse2 | KaylaKaze: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/simple-launcher/ |
| 23:46.27 | KaylaKaze | found the run app |
| 23:46.38 | Milhouse2 | k |
| 23:46.55 | Dr_Nunim | Yay, scroll bars now to get the default one's working.. |
| 23:46.58 | KaylaKaze | but it won't install. I'll try that one |
| 23:48.04 | Dr_Nunim | Sucess :) |
| 23:48.06 | *** join/#maemo GvzEvxre (n=timr@h460798ad.area7.spcsdns.net) |
| 23:48.11 | Dr_Nunim | I am back to the scrolling world. |
| 23:50.37 | pupnik | i saw the top mahjong scores on the ITT forums... you guys scare me |
| 23:51.26 | KaylaKaze | I installed the simplae app launcher... now I have to figure out how to run it :-/ |
| 23:51.40 | Dr_Nunim | lol |
| 23:54.01 | Milhouse2 | Anyone want an iPhone? :) http://cell-phones.search.ebay.com/apple-iphone_Cell-Phones_W0QQ_trksidZm37QQcatrefZC12QQfromZR40QQsacatZ146487 |
| 23:54.07 | Milhouse2 | eBay flooded... |
| 23:54.26 | *** join/#maemo KevinVerma (n=user@203.145.159.44) |
| 23:54.39 | Molagi | what the hell |
| 23:54.49 | Milhouse2 | $15K for an iPhone? hehe |
| 23:54.58 | Molagi | nice profit for someone |
| 23:55.04 | Dr_Nunim | Hell, I should have waited outside the apple store while browsing on my 770, sold the iphone and took the profits to buy an n800 |
| 23:55.05 | Milhouse2 | Suspect they won't see any of that |
| 23:55.22 | Dr_Nunim | Only problem is you have to sign a 2 year contract to get one. |
| 23:55.32 | Dr_Nunim | Thus I'd be stuck with cingular for another 2 years. |
| 23:55.38 | Dr_Nunim | And do iphones use sim cards? |
| 23:55.40 | *** join/#maemo hein (i=unknown@dslb-088-073-061-131.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 23:55.55 | Milhouse2 | Yes, internal and not accessible/replaceable |
| 23:56.06 | Milhouse2 | iPhones won't work on any other network - not even the iPod functionality |
| 23:56.20 | Dr_Nunim | So how are you supposed to sell them? |
| 23:56.27 | Milhouse2 | And unless these iPhones are being sold with the activation code they'll be paperweights |
| 23:56.29 | Dr_Nunim | Wouldn't they be programmed to your account? |
| 23:56.36 | Milhouse2 | You'd have thought so |
| 23:57.03 | Dr_Nunim | He says "Upon purchase we will email you the code that you need for activation via iTunes. |
| 23:57.11 | Dr_Nunim | I suppose thats the code. |
| 23:57.15 | Milhouse2 | There is a $175 option to get out of the AT&T contract... it's possible these are such phones but whether they can be re-registered is another matter |
| 23:57.24 | Milhouse2 | Dr Nunim - yes |
| 23:57.31 | pupnik | isn't there an #iphone channel for this? |
| 23:57.36 | Milhouse2 | :) |
| 23:57.42 | pupnik | oh, there is |
| 23:57.59 | Molagi | its always nice to talk shit about iphone |
| 23:58.01 | Milhouse2 | Just having a laugh at the suckers on eBay wanting (or trying to sell) an iPhone :) |
| 23:58.13 | Dr_Nunim | 3.5-inch (diagonal) widescreen multi-touch display |
| 23:58.14 | Dr_Nunim | 480-by-320-pixel resolution at 160 dpi |
| 23:58.25 | Dr_Nunim | Junk :o |
| 23:58.25 | Molagi | i think people over #iphone wouldnt like our discussions |
| 23:58.26 | Molagi | :P |
| 23:58.49 | Milhouse2 | Awesome - that's like such high resolution, Apple are so innovative... nobody else can match that rez! |
| 23:59.07 | Milhouse2 | Molagi - could be fun for a while... ;) |
| 23:59.16 | Milhouse2 | I think I'll join up and lurk |
| 23:59.26 | Molagi | hehe i can already smell the flames |
| 23:59.31 | Milhouse2 | Damn, only 5 people??! |
| 23:59.43 | Milhouse2 | And one of them was Dr Nunim! |
| 23:59.53 | Molagi | blasphemy |
| 23:59.54 | Dr_Nunim | Lies! |
