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| 07:20.05 | mk8 | Hi to all ... |
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| 07:54.19 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 08:07.31 | florian | good morning |
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| 08:12.34 | melmoth | yo konttori |
| 08:13.02 | melmoth | i think i understand why yo do stuff directly in the n800, i had a first look at gstreamer this week end |
| 08:13.18 | konttori | morning! |
| 08:13.24 | melmoth | i ended up playing with it directly on the n800: i was not able to have the same sink on scratchbox than on the n800 :( |
| 08:13.30 | melmoth | like no esdsink |
| 08:13.38 | melmoth | how sad is that. |
| 08:14.01 | konttori | Yeah, I think the only test env should be the device itself (for end user app dev). |
| 08:14.17 | melmoth | it s a shame |
| 08:14.24 | Robot101 | alsasink works on the device and your PC... |
| 08:14.33 | melmoth | i mean, testing is ok. but developping is crap |
| 08:14.49 | melmoth | no emacs, no place, have to use nework, so it sux the battery |
| 08:15.18 | melmoth | it s just crap...I would be happier with a scratchox coming with exactly the same functionnality than the tablet |
| 08:15.20 | guardian | morning maemo |
| 08:15.48 | melmoth | i was not able to use alsasink (but that could be my mistake) |
| 08:16.02 | melmoth | so i had a look at ukmp and use the same kind of sink there was there :) |
| 08:16.18 | melmoth | but pffff, gstreamer aint easy to learn. |
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| 08:16.51 | sbaturzio | Aloha! |
| 08:17.26 | melmoth | so knottori here is a complicated feature request: gapless transition from one song to another one :) |
| 08:20.40 | konttori | memoth: not possible |
| 08:21.01 | konttori | The reason is that the gstreamer component must be rebuilt after each song. |
| 08:21.15 | konttori | This makes some transition period between the songs. |
| 08:21.49 | melmoth | i was thinking of using 2 pipeline, being able to detect with some clock (that i know nothing yet about) when the end is near, and starting to play the second piple line with a low volume |
| 08:21.50 | konttori | And the reason why it must be rebuilt is that songs with mp3 id3 tags containing artwork mess the dsp playback. |
| 08:22.02 | melmoth | and decreasing the volume of pipeline1 while incresaing the volume of pipeline2 |
| 08:22.03 | melmoth | and so on |
| 08:22.40 | konttori | might work, but does the dsp support two simultaneous audio threads? |
| 08:22.40 | konttori | for mp3s |
| 08:22.40 | melmoth | i have no clue |
| 08:22.54 | melmoth | i know -nothing- about sound except the info i grabbed this week end :) |
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| 08:23.24 | Robot101 | konttori: you can play something through esdsink and alsa/dsp*sink |
| 08:24.14 | melmoth | esdsink and several stream worked on the laptop here |
| 08:24.25 | melmoth | but as i do not find any esdsink on the device :( |
| 08:24.35 | melmoth | the idea would be to implement that: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6942 |
| 08:25.04 | melmoth | you know, the sound of rain , or wind, or radio noise in loop |
| 08:25.13 | melmoth | whatever sample you may fancy |
| 08:25.51 | melmoth | well, anyway, i was not even able to play a single stream twice correctly while playing with gstreamer :) |
| 08:26.11 | melmoth | the second time it was awful noise, like, 1 sec of noise, frozen, 1 sec of noise..And so on |
| 08:26.25 | melmoth | it s a long way to the top, if you wanna rock n roll (tm) |
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| 08:34.41 | jani | morning people.. |
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| 08:55.42 | konttori | melmoth: sounds like a very nice program idea! |
| 08:55.58 | konttori | You might also consider using pygame and its integrated mp3 lib for that. |
| 08:56.12 | konttori | It would be very easy, as pygame is really intended for looping playback |
| 08:56.22 | melmoth | hmmm |
| 08:56.23 | konttori | and Immediate (as in immediate immediate) playback. |
| 08:56.33 | melmoth | now, that s interesing |
| 08:56.39 | konttori | and gapless as in gapless gapless ... not like almost gapless |
| 08:56.59 | konttori | but it will use processor insted of dsp, so that's a bit bad. |
| 08:57.05 | konttori | OTOH, not really that bad. |
| 08:57.09 | melmoth | ok. It may be more easier than with gstreamer then..I ll have a closer look at pygame (at already did a bit, but not sound related stuff) |
| 08:57.21 | konttori | it's really easy. |
| 08:57.28 | melmoth | i like easy stuff... |
| 08:57.31 | unique311 | think its possible to eliminate the skin in POSE |
| 08:57.32 | konttori | Use ukmp code. there is alternative pygame playback. |
| 08:58.05 | unique311 | located the source file needed to modify the lcd screen.. |
| 08:58.16 | unique311 | but not sure how to make it a little bigger. |
| 08:58.42 | unique311 | the new release has the keys mapped to the hardware... |
| 08:58.51 | unique311 | so the sking is not needed. |
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| 09:08.56 | pupnik_ | sking? |
| 09:09.19 | unique311 | skin dude |
| 09:09.23 | pupnik_ | isn't double size enough for the display? |
| 09:09.30 | unique311 | well yeah.. |
| 09:09.39 | unique311 | but the buttons are mapped to hardware.. |
| 09:09.50 | unique311 | whats the use for for the skin |
| 09:09.56 | unique311 | get rid of that... |
| 09:10.07 | unique311 | go for 420x320 |
| 09:10.39 | unique311 | and which is the highest palmOS does i just found out from hackndev... |
| 09:10.57 | pupnik_ | oh cool |
| 09:11.17 | unique311 | 320x320 updated |
| 09:11.46 | unique311 | looking over the source..now |
| 09:11.56 | pupnik_ | so palm apps will work at higher resolutions? |
| 09:12.09 | pupnik_ | i thought most of them assumed 160x160 |
| 09:12.39 | unique311 | roms lower than 4 |
| 09:12.51 | pupnik_ | ok |
| 09:13.07 | unique311 | <BobOfDoom> ooh that's right it's rom based isn't it? |
| 09:13.08 | unique311 | <BobOfDoom> hmmm |
| 09:13.08 | unique311 | <BobOfDoom> you'd might have to hack the rom then |
| 09:13.08 | unique311 | <BobOfDoom> generally there's no way to autodetect LCD size, so most likely it's hard-compiled into the rom |
| 09:13.09 | unique311 | hmmm |
| 09:13.14 | unique311 | hacking the rom... |
| 09:13.54 | pupnik_ | if apps are written for lower resolution, they will probably break, even if the OS is hacked to support higher resoultions |
| 09:14.16 | pupnik_ | but you've got palm xperts to talk to |
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| 09:45.42 | konttori | http://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1664/UKMP-1.3-uktube0.2.deb |
| 09:46.10 | konttori | If anyone is using uktube, could you try that out before I announce it? |
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| 09:46.30 | konttori | It's a bug and performance fix version. |
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| 10:06.33 | konttori | Blog post with change log here: http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2007/06/uktube-02-out.html |
| 10:12.44 | konttori | The blog post contains the same video as for the initial release, so e.g. downloaded videos are stored in mmc1/videos and not in root unlike the video says |
| 10:16.17 | jkyro | does it work on the 770? |
| 10:20.35 | konttori | yeah |
| 10:20.53 | konttori | just fine ... maybe even better than on n800 |
| 10:24.01 | konttori | jkyro: if you have 770, please have a test run and tell me how well it performs |
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| 10:25.22 | jkyro | I don't have one but my friend does, I can ask him to try it out |
| 10:25.35 | jkyro | it probably requres gregale? |
| 10:26.13 | konttori | Umm... nope |
| 10:26.19 | konttori | should run on 2006 os |
| 10:26.33 | konttori | you just need to install proper python and proper mplayer |
| 10:27.05 | jkyro | 'k |
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| 10:32.30 | lardman | Another asm question: after dis55'ing an object file (which has been linked against the avs_kernel and then had the avs_kernel stripped away), where would variables be stored? |
| 10:32.41 | lardman | Presumably some might point into the data section, but this is not the case |
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| 10:33.58 | lardman | So the stack is an option, I suppose I should look for the stack address and see if this lines up with the address I'm seeing, however nothing actually appears to have been pushed to the stack, so I'm a little confused |
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| 10:35.17 | lardman | Is the bss section mapped to memory as is (or rather in expanded form) for variable declarations? |
| 10:35.32 | lardman | Or is it just used by the loader to allocate memory as it sees fit? |
| 10:37.05 | pupnik_ | Frankfurter allgemeine reports YouTube accounts for 10% of internet traffic. |
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| 10:37.59 | pupnik_ | heh lardman not many devs deal with low level stuff |
| 10:38.29 | lardman | pupnik_: I'd prefer not having to, but it is interesting in a strange masochistic way ;) |
| 10:39.24 | pupnik | what drives your research? |
| 10:39.37 | lardman | Attempting to get sound output from the dsp |
| 10:40.05 | pupnik | you know there are apis for that |
| 10:40.17 | pupnik | sorry i'll just waste your time with questions |
| 10:41.22 | lardman | There is code that is called to interface with the class then mini-driver, which is what I'm looking at. I don't think it's possible to add a new class/mini-driver to the system without recompiling the avs_kernel |
| 10:41.32 | lardman | Unfortunately there is no header file for these calls |
| 10:51.53 | Veggen | uktube: What about embedding a browser-component in uktube? ;) Let it find the videos itself? |
| 10:51.59 | Veggen | eh, konttori. |
| 10:52.22 | Veggen | often you have a link, though. |
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| 10:54.42 | konttori | Veggen: I'm thinking about that sort of thing |
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| 10:54.55 | konttori | Will happen in the future |
| 10:55.00 | konttori | But not yet |
| 10:55.07 | konttori | This is the first step. |
| 10:55.10 | konttori | did you try the 0.2? |
| 10:55.36 | Veggen | Hmm, I tried this weekend. Either saturday or yesterday, can't remember :) |
| 10:55.45 | Veggen | (but the version, I can't say) |
| 10:56.01 | konttori | I just uploaded a new one half an hour ago |
| 10:56.01 | Veggen | hmm. I can perhaps....ssh to my n800, that should be on and on my home network. |
| 10:56.09 | Veggen | oh, then I didn't try it. |
| 10:56.11 | konttori | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1664/UKMP-1.3-uktube0.2.deb |
| 10:56.16 | konttori | Fixes some bugs. |
| 10:56.30 | konttori | changes here: http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2007/06/uktube-02-out.html |
| 10:56.37 | Veggen | I don't really have a use for my n800 at work, so I usually don't bring it there. |
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| 10:56.50 | Veggen | And travel to/from work is by bicycle :) Limited use there too. |
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| 10:59.18 | rwhitby | konttori: found any way to get google videos with uktube? |
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| 11:17.59 | MoRpHeUz | melmoth: sorry about the delay but I was reading the log about you saying that scratchbox doesnt have emacs, etc.. |
| 11:18.07 | MoRpHeUz | melmoth: it doesnt need to have.. |
| 11:18.27 | melmoth | Molagi, i agree |
| 11:18.50 | MoRpHeUz | melmoth: scratchbox is an env of a lot of links and so, you can edit your files outside from scratchbox and then just compile/etc inside it |
| 11:18.50 | melmoth | i edit file in the host machine, not hte guest |
| 11:19.12 | melmoth | but i was complaining, and am still because the scratchbox env is not the same as the n800 |
| 11:19.20 | melmoth | especially for gstreamer sink |
| 11:19.28 | MoRpHeUz | melmoth: I mean: "emacs /scratchbox/users/your_username/home/your_username/files.c" |
| 11:19.30 | melmoth | so i ended up editing python diretly on the n800 |
| 11:19.35 | MoRpHeUz | melmoth: for that you are right.... |
| 11:19.43 | melmoth | and there s no emacs there :) |
| 11:19.45 | melmoth | nor nfs expoert |
| 11:19.53 | melmoth | so i m stuck with vi |
| 11:20.02 | MoRpHeUz | melmoth: hhmm...I prefer to do all the stuff in my machine and just test on the device.. |
| 11:20.10 | MoRpHeUz | (lots of scp of course) |
| 11:20.16 | melmoth | mhhh. |
| 11:20.16 | MoRpHeUz | but I got your point =) |
| 11:20.19 | melmoth | yop |
| 11:20.32 | suihkulokki | well scratchbox is not *emulator* |
| 11:20.48 | MoRpHeUz | yeah |
| 11:22.07 | kulve | MoRpHeUz: what's the gmyth-streamer? How does it relate to gmyth? What do I install to n800? What to my mythtv box? Can I do the transcoding some other computer than on my weak powered media box (mythtv box)? |
| 11:22.33 | MoRpHeUz | kulve: hi! =) how are you ? hehe |
| 11:22.38 | MoRpHeUz | let's go: |
| 11:22.59 | MoRpHeUz | 1 - it's a "transcoding environment"....a "transcoder+streamer" |
| 11:23.15 | kulve | MoRpHeUz: if you didn't guess, I just got my mythtv box about up'n'running ;) |
| 11:23.16 | MoRpHeUz | 2 - it uses gmyth to retrieve info/data from a mythtv backend |
| 11:23.27 | MoRpHeUz | 3 - just install mplayer to watch the videos |
| 11:24.04 | MoRpHeUz | 4 - you need to have gmyth-streamer and gmyth on the same machine in order to get data/info from mythbackend and transcode/stream |
| 11:24.30 | MoRpHeUz | 5 - yes, you can...but it will take more time to start streaming (but if all of them are on the same lan, it should work well) |
| 11:24.36 | MoRpHeUz | kulve: =) |
| 11:24.55 | MoRpHeUz | kulve: and if you didn't guess, I just wrote a How-to and I'm looking for someone to test it =P |
| 11:26.30 | suihkulokki | is it possible to tell mythtv to automatically n800-suitable copies of recordings after recording the program? |
| 11:26.41 | kulve | MoRpHeUz: same lan, the videos are on nfs anyway.. |
| 11:26.51 | suihkulokki | and then *easily* sync them to n800 sd-card |
| 11:27.30 | kulve | MoRpHeUz: I'm happy to test your howtos :) (maybe tomorrow) |
| 11:27.45 | suihkulokki | the other thing I'd like to do is to use n800 as a remote for mythtv frontend |
| 11:27.47 | MoRpHeUz | suihkulokki: the problem is the sync part...but you can say to mythtv auto-transcode files... |
| 11:27.57 | MoRpHeUz | suihkulokki: with gmyth you can do that |
| 11:28.10 | MoRpHeUz | but the point here is to automatically do all the stuff (including live-tv) |
| 11:28.29 | MoRpHeUz | kulve: ok, I can send you the how to =) |
| 11:28.49 | suihkulokki | MoRpHeUz: the keyword was copy, my understanding is the auto-transcode will not save the original quality video but replace it with the transcoded one? |
| 11:28.54 | MoRpHeUz | suihkulokki: gmyth-streamer transcodes on-the-fly |
| 11:29.41 | MoRpHeUz | suihkulokki: i think the answer is yes... but with gmyth-streamer the original one will there..and you'll watch it already transcoded... |
| 11:30.22 | MoRpHeUz | suihkulokki: take a look at my blog |
| 11:31.47 | suihkulokki | MoRpHeUz: hmm, ok. I'll try gmyth as well |
| 11:32.35 | MoRpHeUz | =) |
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| 11:44.03 | Jaffa | suihkulokki: a couple of us use http://bleb.org/software/maemo/#encode for auto-transcoding PVRred recordings to N800 compatible videos. |
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| 12:07.45 | guardian | i'm also interested in how to install gms |
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| 12:25.05 | MoRpHeUz | guardian: I'll post on my blog a how to.... |
| 12:25.13 | MoRpHeUz | =) |
| 12:25.24 | guardian | cool |
| 12:30.21 | pupnik | 'Attention, Avatar...' |
| 12:31.22 | MoRpHeUz | guardian: ok, it's there...it's easier than send to everybody through email hehe =) |
| 12:31.32 | guardian | sure |
| 12:31.39 | guardian | gonna try it tonight |
| 12:31.41 | guardian | device is at home |
| 12:31.52 | MoRpHeUz | ok! thanks! please report problems with it ok ? |
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| 12:32.24 | guardian | ok |
| 12:34.57 | kulve | ok |
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| 13:03.14 | pupnik | <crickets chirping> |
| 13:06.00 | unique311 | is it up and working pupnik? |
| 13:06.18 | unique311 | anything i can do to assist..... |
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| 13:09.11 | pupnik | no i'm hoping to find someone who can take over the port |
| 13:09.28 | pupnik | found a guy who looked at the code for like 5 minutes and found two ways to make it faster |
| 13:09.47 | pupnik | but he doesn't have a Nokia |
| 13:10.13 | unique311 | it compiled and is working |
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| 13:10.45 | pupnik | um, not my version |
| 13:10.55 | unique311 | ok |
| 13:11.17 | unique311 | i'm bored... |
| 13:11.28 | unique311 | i'll take a loook at the source... |
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| 13:52.32 | jani | pupnik: too much asm for me to even take a closer look =) |
| 13:56.52 | guardian | duh |
| 13:57.00 | guardian | status : resolved |
| 13:57.02 | guardian | resolution: later |
| 13:57.17 | guardian | is kind a strange way of expressing "postponed" |
| 13:57.17 | guardian | :D |
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| 13:59.12 | guardian | so filtering by status, the bug is resolved ... ;) |
| 13:59.16 | guardian | and IS NOT at the same time |
| 14:00.27 | pupnik | jani: well afaict we can ignore all the core emu code - the main issue is with OS interface issues. The gp2x DrPocketSnes renders to /dev/fb afaict, and this would need to be changed to SDL. Then there are some issues with filehandling. My last attempt made a total mess, since i was merging in portions of the stock snes9x code and trying to make that work. |
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| 14:18.33 | pupnik | mashing different versions of the emu together produced a lot of broken glass |
| 14:19.28 | unique311 | hey pupnik |
| 14:19.34 | unique311 | i compiled the danm thing.. |
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| 14:20.11 | konttori | rwitby: I haven't had a look at how to process google videos. I may try to have a look tomorrow if I have the time. |
| 14:20.29 | unique311 | you compiled it but it doesn't work...thats the only issue correct? |
| 14:20.40 | unique311 | and you are playing with the code so it will work. |
| 14:20.41 | pupnik | unique311: i don't remember |
| 14:20.47 | unique311 | well it compiled |
| 14:21.09 | unique311 | when ran |
| 14:21.22 | unique311 | Loading global menu options |
| 14:21.22 | unique311 | Failed to load global options, so using defaults |
| 14:21.22 | unique311 | Loading default rom directory |
| 14:21.22 | unique311 | Failed to default rom dir, so using current dir |
| 14:21.22 | unique311 | Entering gp_initGraphics.... |
| 14:21.43 | unique311 | Loading global menu options |
| 14:21.43 | unique311 | Failed to load global options, so using defaults |
| 14:21.43 | unique311 | Loading default rom directory |
| 14:21.43 | unique311 | Failed to default rom dir, so using current dir |
| 14:21.43 | unique311 | Entering gp_initGraphics.... |
| 14:21.46 | unique311 | sorry |
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| 14:34.37 | MoRpHeUz | konttori: did you have time to look at evas stuff from k-s ? |
| 14:34.58 | konttori | nope. I've been having a vacation for the past 3 days. |
| 14:35.05 | konttori | I did have a look at the videos |
| 14:35.31 | konttori | I was kind of left wondering how heavy the toolkit is in terms of size. |
| 14:36.38 | MoRpHeUz | hhmm..I'll take a look at it tonight... |
| 14:37.02 | MoRpHeUz | konttori: I know about your vacation...I'm here in Finland and couldnt find any restaurant open during these days! haha |
| 14:37.48 | konttori | Yeah, Finland really closes during midsummers fest. |
| 14:37.57 | MoRpHeUz | konttori: hehe...are you from Helsinki ? |
| 14:38.02 | konttori | yeah |
| 14:38.25 | inz | it's almost like x-mas, but with less snow |
| 14:38.25 | MoRpHeUz | I'm at Oulu |
| 14:38.26 | konttori | and more to drink |
| 14:38.26 | MoRpHeUz | inz: hehe =) |
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| 14:41.40 | kulve | MoRpHeUz: the blog is a bit unclear where to get the debs and how to use the mplayer (or does it see mythtv server directly as there is the mythtv gnomevfs backend?). And what to install to n800 and what to mythtv box (or to transcoding box). |
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| 14:42.12 | MoRpHeUz | kulve: all that stuff is for transcoding box |
| 14:42.21 | MoRpHeUz | nothing to n800.... |
| 14:42.35 | MoRpHeUz | the debs are not ready yet....that's why I recommend using svn.. |
| 14:43.37 | MoRpHeUz | after all that stuff set up, then you can mplayer an special URL.....(ok...it's kind of hard now, but trust me it'll be easier on the future ;-) ) |
| 14:47.32 | MoRpHeUz | kulve: updated tutorial with your questions =) |
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| 14:54.52 | kulve | I'll do the actual testing maybe tomorrow |
| 14:54.53 | kulve | thx |
| 14:55.01 | MoRpHeUz | thank you =) |
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| 15:21.27 | unique311 | pupnik the gpe binary gives the same results when ran in scratcbhox... |
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| 15:33.28 | dragorn | If no-one noticed, 770 for $120 on woot |
| 15:34.28 | matt_c | dragorn: woot indeed. |
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| 16:05.59 | b0o | so I've got a nokia 770 coming in the mail.. I looked around the wiki a bit (unsuccessfully) on the new kernel that supports 2gb mobile mmc cards...is that a tough setup? |
| 16:07.57 | ||cw | for those in the US, woot.com has a 770 for $135 shipped today only |
| 16:08.27 | gla55 | my non-so-geek friend managed to enable 2gb support by himself ok |
| 16:11.48 | b0o | that's where I picked mine up ;) |
| 16:12.10 | b0o | excellent, I'm pretty geeky, so I'm not afraid of getting my hands dirty |
| 16:12.31 | b0o | I was just about to order a 1gb card when I realized I should probably double check if that was really the limit |
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| 16:38.13 | amaury_ | hello I have to make choice , nokia 770 or zaurus ? someone can help me ? |
| 16:41.00 | ||cw | amaury_: 770! |
| 16:41.09 | ||cw | not rally fair to ask here as we're all biased |
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| 16:41.31 | ||cw | amaury_: main reason though, nokia stillupdated 770 software, somewhat |
| 16:42.06 | amaury_ | and zaurus , community don't updrage the rom ? |
| 16:42.48 | amaury_ | is the virtual keyboard is easy to use ? |
| 16:42.56 | amaury_ | on the nokia |
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| 16:44.24 | lardman|gone | amaury_: (Despite being gone ;) ) ask that question in #angstrom (which is the mainly-developer channel for the current Zaurus ROMs). I think the 770 is a little underpowered, but has bt & wifi built-in, while the Zaurus doesn't. |
| 16:45.07 | lardman|gone | s/current zaurus ROMs/current open-source community developed flash images |
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| 16:46.08 | amaury_ | ok for the devel, and the keyboard , what thinking about it ? |
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| 17:02.29 | bstock | anyone have any good linux scripts for converting videos to n770 format |
| 17:04.57 | suihkulokki | bstock: google 770-encode |
| 17:05.19 | Jaffa | bstock: http://bleb.org/software/770/#encode (I'm Google for my own stuff ;-)) |
| 17:06.57 | bstock | heh thx |
| 17:11.40 | bstock | i flashed 2006.2 a while ago on the 770, are there any major improvements since then? looks like they're at 2006.3 |
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| 17:26.54 | Pio | im in the same position bstock.. im considering doing the it2007 hacker edition too |
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| 17:43.36 | Brend[uhway] | can anyone tell me if you can use active x on the 770? |
| 17:45.10 | jani | uniq: well, as pupnik said, it uses framebuffer to outputting graphics which should be converted to sdl.. |
| 17:45.14 | Veggen | active x? |
| 17:45.22 | Veggen | that's MS-only-technology, so no. |
| 17:45.53 | Brenduh | ok ty, I have to log in to work using active x, that is why I wondered. |
| 17:46.13 | Veggen | my condolances. |
| 17:46.17 | Veggen | :) |
| 17:46.32 | Brenduh | :) |
| 17:46.41 | jani | yeah, activex is ms proprietery extension, who ever made your work is well.. Moron ;) |
| 17:46.52 | Brenduh | I won't disagree with you there |
| 17:47.22 | jani | :) |
| 17:47.58 | Brenduh | I just bought the 770 on woot. I've been saving up for something like this, I am disabled and there are times when I am confined to bed. THe laptop can get cumbersome. Can you use msn messenger (or something that logs in to msn anyway) and yahoo messenger? |
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| 17:49.01 | suihkulokki | there is gaim |
| 17:49.37 | Brenduh | that is a software that is on it? |
| 17:49.39 | Veggen | and there's jabber and the jabber-to-whatever-gateways. I often prefer that, and using the builtin jabber client. |
| 17:49.40 | jani | its called pidgin .. |
| 17:50.21 | Brenduh | can you log into an msn and a yhoo account at the same time? |
| 17:50.22 | vims0r | pidgin connects to almost everything |
| 17:50.22 | Veggen | Brenduh: not per default, but you can install it. |
| 17:50.32 | Veggen | Brenduh: sure. |
| 17:50.32 | jani | Brenduh: http://pidgin.garage.maemo.org |
| 17:50.32 | Brenduh | If I'm bugging you with too many questions, please let me know. |
| 17:50.39 | Brenduh | ty! |
| 17:50.48 | vims0r | Brenduh: you better get start learning some linux basics :) |
| 17:50.52 | jani | gaim was renamed to pidgin for some trademark issues .. |
| 17:51.04 | ||cw | Brenduh: check out the application cataloug on maemo.org |
| 17:51.16 | Brenduh | I have bookmarked maemo, thank you |
| 17:51.29 | jani | garage.maemo.org is nice for 3rd party apps .. |
| 17:51.38 | Brenduh | lol vims0r, suggestions where to start? I don't mind messing with software as long as I don'thave to mess with the hardware innards |
| 17:52.22 | Brenduh | ty jani, bookmarking that for some reading too |
| 17:52.30 | vims0r | i would reccomend testing some live-cd |
| 17:52.40 | Veggen | www.linux.org isn't that bad a place to read, I guess. |
| 17:52.42 | vims0r | open suse or better ubuntu |
| 17:52.49 | Brenduh | I've got a knopix cd.. same thing? |
| 17:52.56 | ||cw | Brenduh: FWIW, activex doens't work on windows mobile devices either |
| 17:53.09 | Brenduh | ooh ty ||cw |
| 17:53.10 | ||cw | the 770 is basicaly just a pda with a large screen |
| 17:53.13 | Veggen | Brenduh: yah, knoppix is a decent alternative. |
| 17:53.23 | vims0r | maemo is kind of simple but if you know your way arround linux some things get easyer |
| 17:53.34 | vims0r | flashing a new os-versio for example |
| 17:53.39 | vims0r | OS-Version |
| 17:53.42 | Brenduh | if I royally screw up with software.. can I reset it back to it's original configuration? |
| 17:54.18 | vims0r | there is some kind of backup-system for your personal data |
| 17:54.41 | vims0r | und you can always flash the default-os image back on the device |
| 17:54.55 | ||cw | Brenduh: the "upgrade" tool will reset to defaults, and you can "upgrade" the same version |
| 17:55.00 | vims0r | but then you have to install the software again |
| 17:55.19 | Brenduh | so let me see if I understand this. to use these software available on these sites, I'm probably going to have to install a different os? |
| 17:55.23 | Brenduh | on the 770 |
| 17:55.25 | Veggen | no. |
| 17:55.34 | vims0r | no |
| 17:55.46 | Brenduh | then why the linux? |
| 17:56.05 | vims0r | because Maemo (the 770s os) is based on linux |
| 17:56.13 | Veggen | uh, because N770 runs Linux. |
| 17:56.18 | ||cw | Brenduh: maemo is linux based. |
| 17:56.32 | Brenduh | aha ok |
| 17:56.36 | ||cw | maemo is what the IT2006 OS is based on |
| 17:56.43 | Brenduh | so sorry, wasn't aware of that. Don't know why I was thinking window ce |
| 17:57.02 | ||cw | IT2006 is to maemo as Vista is to longhorn |
| 17:57.24 | ||cw | wince will not run on the 770 that I know of |
| 17:57.30 | Brenduh | will it run java? |
| 17:57.32 | vims0r | when you get your 770 i would recommend upgrading the os |
| 17:57.36 | vims0r | and then using |
| 17:57.37 | Brenduh | I don't want win ce, I just assumed |
| 17:57.37 | vims0r | http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php?lang=en |
| 17:57.41 | ||cw | there are JRE's for maemo |
| 17:57.52 | vims0r | to add repositorys with software to the device |
| 17:58.13 | Brenduh | repositorys? |
| 17:58.26 | ||cw | vims0r: nice list, if is it validated regularly? |
| 17:58.33 | vims0r | dunno |
| 17:59.10 | vims0r | is just discovered in a german n800 board and the repos there work fine with my 770 and os20007 hacker :) |
| 17:59.34 | ||cw | Brenduh: maemo uses the "software channel" concept. to install something you don't usually run an installer, you instead add the repository, or channel, and then you can easily get updates all software with one click |
| 17:59.53 | ||cw | I say usualy because a few apps are just .deb files with no repo |
| 18:00.11 | Brenduh | how do you know what they are? For instance, OpenedHand Prebuilt Maemo Packages |
| 18:00.20 | ||cw | vims0r: how does hacker work? I was scared off of it when I was looking to upgrade |
| 18:00.36 | VimS | works fine |
| 18:00.58 | Brenduh | nm I see some of them have webs with info. That one just had a link to the fils |
| 18:00.59 | Brenduh | files |
| 18:01.01 | VimS | didn't encounter any problems so far |
| 18:01.26 | VimS | only the buildin memory of the 770 gets a little short :D |
| 18:01.47 | ||cw | Brenduh: google, or search the application cataloge. inthat case, OpenHand is a vendor that provides things. when you add a channel, you can then browse the available packages and choose what to install and leave things you don't want |
| 18:02.18 | VimS | Brenduh: when you've got the 770 you can add the repos to the programm-manager and there you will see more infos about the applications |
| 18:02.23 | ||cw | Brenduh: a lot of this will make more sense with the device in hand |
| 18:02.26 | Brenduh | oook so if you install one of these repos.. then you get a list of software available from them and can choose what you want? Do I have that right? |
| 18:02.33 | jani | like synaptic for "real" linux apps ? |
| 18:02.34 | ||cw | Brenduh: yes |
| 18:02.46 | VimS | Brenduh: yes, that's right |
| 18:02.48 | Brenduh | oook ::lightbulb moment:: |
| 18:03.00 | VimS | *g* |
| 18:03.05 | ||cw | jani: more or less, and mostly less, but yes |
| 18:03.14 | VimS | jani: yes like snyaptic |
| 18:03.21 | Brenduh | ty, I really look forward to playing with it. I go out of state for medical treatment next month and they will have wireless connections |
| 18:03.54 | Veggen | Brenduh: I guess it would be very ok for use at hospital :) |
| 18:03.54 | Brenduh | ||cw, do I search for JRE for java software? |
| 18:03.56 | VimS | it'll be fun, but there are some disadvanteges |
| 18:04.13 | VimS | 770 does not support youtube oder gmail for example... :( |
| 18:04.19 | Brenduh | yes, much better than a large laptop |
| 18:04.27 | Brenduh | oooh no gmail |
| 18:04.30 | Brenduh | oh well |
| 18:04.32 | Veggen | VimS: well. youtube support is coming along nicely with uktube. |
| 18:04.44 | VimS | does that work on the 770? |
| 18:04.51 | ||cw | Brenduh: is there a certain java app you want to run? many java things won't run due to the limited resources |
| 18:05.02 | ||cw | Brenduh: gmail works in html mode |
| 18:05.08 | Veggen | VimS: I think konttori said so. |
| 18:05.12 | VimS | na silly my |
| 18:05.15 | VimS | gmail works fine |
| 18:05.21 | VimS | google calendar doesn't |
| 18:05.23 | VimS | sorry |
| 18:05.29 | Brenduh | oh good |
| 18:05.40 | ||cw | you can downlaod gcal to the calendar apps |
| 18:06.04 | Brenduh | can you upgrade the memory? |
| 18:06.28 | ||cw | no, but you can use the mmc card as swap |
| 18:06.47 | ||cw | makes a very big difference |
| 18:06.56 | Veggen | cw: well, yes and no. |
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| 18:07.20 | Veggen | it won't work well with an app that wants 100 MB memory runtime :) |
| 18:07.24 | Brenduh | i will invest in a large mmc card... I think I have one in my old mp3 player. |
| 18:08.17 | ||cw | needs to be RS-MMC, the kind made for cell phones |
| 18:08.37 | ||cw | 1GB cards are pretty cheap though |
| 18:08.52 | Veggen | 2GB requires a custom kernel, no? |
| 18:08.58 | ||cw | not sure |
| 18:09.14 | Brenduh | ahh ok |
| 18:11.34 | Brenduh | I'm not finding anything about java |
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| 18:13.06 | keesj | Veggen: 2 gig no, but more yes |
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| 18:14.19 | keesj | Brenduh: check the mailing list there is a java project alive http://www.jalimo.org/wiki/doku.php |
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| 18:15.08 | Brenduh | ty |
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| 18:16.39 | Brenduh | thank you all for your information. You've helped quite a lot. |
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| 18:44.46 | tigert | hmm |
| 18:44.58 | tigert | according to maemo mapper, I just rollerskated 1030km/h ;) |
| 18:45.06 | tigert | something in the gps signal was not quite ok :) |
| 18:45.27 | konttori | time to send that bug report ;) |
| 18:45.44 | tigert | oh, that was gps signal foo |
| 18:45.52 | tigert | it does this "zoom around" thing indoors |
| 18:46.06 | X-Fade | Hehe. |
| 18:46.19 | roope | combine that to some sport tracking application. |
| 18:46.22 | koen | maemo-mapper also has redraw problem |
| 18:46.27 | X-Fade | Hmm SIP & N95 is quite buggy still. |
| 18:46.41 | koen | e.g. going from 100km/h to 2km/h give you 102 or 1002 |
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| 18:48.31 | ttuttle | Hey. |
| 18:48.40 | ttuttle | You guys do know that N770's are on sale at woot.com for $130, right? |
| 18:48.57 | pupnik | ?! |
| 18:48.59 | tigert | yes. only for continental US |
| 18:49.03 | ttuttle | Yeah. Sorry. |
| 18:49.07 | tigert | but yeah |
| 18:49.12 | tigert | someone mailed the list |
| 18:49.16 | ttuttle | Okay. |
| 18:49.31 | ttuttle | How hard is it to program for an N770? |
| 18:49.42 | ||cw | ttuttle: if you know how to program for gtk, easy |
| 18:49.53 | ttuttle | ||cw: I could learn. |
| 18:49.57 | ||cw | ttuttle: maemo.org has some docs to get you started |
| 18:50.11 | ttuttle | ||cw: Okay. |
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| 18:50.26 | ttuttle | ||cw: /me is soooooo excited, he's getting an N770 from Woot. |
| 18:50.31 | ttuttle | Oh, and is it true they run Kismet? |
| 18:50.49 | ||cw | including emulating the 770 on your desktop for compiling/testing |
| 18:50.58 | ttuttle | ||cw: Oh, that's AWESOME! |
| 18:51.00 | pupnik | that's extremely cheap |
| 18:51.06 | ttuttle | pupnik: Yes, it is. |
| 18:51.11 | ||cw | kismet is ported, yes |
| 18:51.18 | ttuttle | pupnik: I figured, I could get a palm for $130. Why not get an N770? |
| 18:51.30 | ttuttle | pupnik: N770's are cooler, after all. And Linux-powered. |
| 18:51.43 | pupnik | that's a serious company? |
| 18:51.48 | ttuttle | pupnik: Yes. |
| 18:52.13 | pupnik | i paid approx $350 7 months ago |
| 18:52.30 | ttuttle | pupnik: /me tries not to smile. |
| 18:52.42 | melmoth | happy christmaaaaasss :) |
| 18:52.57 | florian | re |
| 18:54.43 | melmoth | kontori i did not find any mixer.init stuff for pygame in ukmp |
| 18:54.57 | ||cw | 130 is a good price, not not way cheap. $150 is not hard to find on ebay |
| 18:55.09 | melmoth | I cannot generate any sound without having to init the mixer (i have an error message otherwise), but fail to do so :( |
| 18:55.14 | pupnik | wal mart has them for $229 or so |
| 18:55.17 | ttuttle | ||cw: For new? |
| 18:55.32 | ||cw | didn't look that clode |
| 18:57.25 | ttuttle | So what's the first thing I should do with my N770 when it arrives (after I open the box, charge it, turn it on, etc...)? |
| 18:57.54 | ericz | how hard is typing on an n770? what are the options for like a "real" keyboard? |
| 18:58.02 | ttuttle | Mmm, good question. |
| 18:58.34 | ericz | that's my only issue with getting one, [saw the woot deal too]... everything i could really want, it has, but a keyboard |
| 18:58.47 | ttuttle | ericz: Oh, just buy one ;-) they're cool. |
| 18:58.53 | ericz | haha, i'm poor |
| 19:00.13 | ttuttle | ericz: But it's an awesome gadget! |
| 19:00.34 | ericz | it looks like it. but it would not be awesome to type at 3 words per minute |
| 19:00.46 | ttuttle | ericz: It has word completion. |
| 19:00.54 | konttori | melmoth: it's there. pygame.mixer.music.load(filename) |
| 19:01.34 | ||cw | ericz: onscreen isn't too bad, and most bluetooth boards work with it |
| 19:01.43 | konttori | and then : pygame.mixer.music.play() |
| 19:01.45 | ericz | what if i wanted to program? :P typing php/html/css surely wouldn't be completed |
| 19:01.51 | konttori | that's all you need in pygame |
| 19:02.37 | melmoth | well, on my laptop yes. |
| 19:02.54 | melmoth | on the n800 it dies with a 'mixer not initialised' error message |
| 19:02.56 | konttori | hey, is there any way to make mplayer zoom (or crop if you will) the played video? |
| 19:02.58 | melmoth | the _same_ code :( |
| 19:03.26 | konttori | Ahh... damn. maybe that's missing from the python in the device. |
| 19:03.27 | konttori | damn |
| 19:03.43 | konttori | never tested it on the device. I just supposed it would work. |
| 19:03.54 | melmoth | konttori, but were you successfull on ukmp using pygame for sound and not gstreamer ? |
| 19:03.58 | melmoth | ohhh. ok |
| 19:04.00 | melmoth | grumble |
| 19:04.03 | melmoth | i m doomed. |
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| 19:04.32 | ttuttle | Is pygtk 1) available on the N770 and 2) any good? |
| 19:04.34 | melmoth | well, the next option is to kill the neighboor if i cannot use a white noise engine to sleep :) |
| 19:05.15 | melmoth | ttuttle, yes (i think so, i have a n800, but with the hacker edition you should have python2.5 that comes with pygtk and pygame (without the sound apparently)) |
| 19:05.17 | konttori | If you use ogg, you should (maybe) be able to put songs on queue and get the ogg to play them in loop. |
| 19:05.19 | melmoth | and yes, its good :) |
| 19:05.55 | ttuttle | melmoth: hacker edition? |
| 19:05.58 | melmoth | mhhh, there will probbaly be this little gap, plus most of the sample are in wav (well, i could encode them if needed) |
| 19:06.16 | melmoth | ttuttle, yep, an unofficial os edition with goodies not on the n770 official os |
| 19:06.18 | ericz | n770 does do WPA too, right? |
| 19:06.48 | melmoth | ttuttle http://os2007on770.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 19:07.39 | ttuttle | awww, the 800 looks *cooler*. |
| 19:08.01 | melmoth | well, it has no hard cover ..wich is not cooler. |
| 19:08.10 | ttuttle | Oh good, mine's better! *yay* ;-) |
| 19:08.21 | ericz | bet you can't get it for $130 either :P |
| 19:08.30 | ttuttle | ericz: Yeah ;-) |
| 19:09.33 | melmoth | hmm... may be i could let my laptop on all night long, with the pygame code that works, so i could listen to the rain sound in loop for 8 hours..with the sound reall really loud.... |
| 19:09.39 | ttuttle | lol |
| 19:11.34 | ericz | hrm, i don't really go out enough to need a tablet :/ |
| 19:13.11 | ttuttle | ericz: Nah, you need one. |
| 19:13.15 | ericz | ha |
| 19:13.16 | ttuttle | ericz: ;-) |
| 19:13.36 | ericz | odds are i would sit an use it in my computer chair.. right in front of my desktop. |
| 19:15.08 | ttuttle | ericz: Take a walk, do some warwalking, get some fresh air. |
| 19:15.19 | ericz | eh.. too much work |
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| 19:15.34 | ericz | though my neighborhood is filled with wireless signals. |
| 19:16.12 | ttuttle | So has anyone written an IDE-type thing for the Maemo, with an input method specially designed for code? |
| 19:17.13 | ttuttle | (Where is the app directory, anyway?) |
| 19:17.42 | melmoth | the what ? |
| 19:17.51 | ttuttle | Directory of applications for the N770. |
| 19:18.03 | melmoth | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/pyphantom |
| 19:18.11 | melmoth | there is no such thing as a 'directory of application' |
| 19:18.15 | ttuttle | Oh. |
| 19:18.38 | melmoth | it s a linux box with binary and data scattered all around, and a hildon library to have a nice and shiny menu to launch the app |
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| 19:18.51 | ttuttle | Is a "plug-in for Hildon Desktop" the equivalent of an app? Does pyphantom run on the N770 itself? |
| 19:19.04 | melmoth | nan, pyphantom runs on you desktop |
| 19:19.09 | ttuttle | Oh :-( |
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| 19:19.30 | melmoth | it s like an editor that will setup up most of the regular needed file to package yorur python app easily |
| 19:19.30 | _gpg_ | i |
| 19:19.33 | _gpg_ | hi |
| 19:19.57 | ttuttle | melmoth: But it said it's based on libhildondesktop -- what does that mean? |
| 19:20.05 | melmoth | ttuttle, you dont want to code on the device directly (well, except if you want to trst gstreamer stuff :) ) |
| 19:20.17 | ttuttle | melmoth: You sure? |
| 19:20.25 | melmoth | it means it create the menu files needed for hildon on its own (i guess) |
| 19:20.26 | ttuttle | melmoth: I've been known to code on crazier devices. |
| 19:20.50 | melmoth | who wants to code somewhere emacs is not ported ? |
| 19:20.57 | ttuttle | Oh, is vim ported? |
| 19:21.03 | melmoth | yes yes |
| 19:21.06 | ttuttle | YAY! |
| 19:21.46 | ericz | ew vim :P got a gui text editor? |
| 19:21.59 | melmoth | there is leafpad as well |
| 19:22.19 | melmoth | and 'notes' or whatitsnameagain. |
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| 19:23.29 | ttuttle | So what other cool apps are there? |
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| 19:24.46 | ericz | i saw this thing called autoscan on maemo.org somewhere |
| 19:25.13 | ericz | i got the desktop linux version of it, looked awesome, i bet the n770 version would rock for random wireless networks |
| 19:25.21 | ttuttle | Does anyone know how long woot normally takes to deliver? |
| 19:25.59 | ericz | i always look at woot, but i don't even have an account, this is the first purchase i've ever considered |
| 19:26.02 | melmoth | ttuttle, well, you can browse them all on garage |
| 19:26.14 | ttuttle | ericz: You should totally get one ;-) |
| 19:26.44 | ericz | it probably would encourage me to go outside. |
| 19:26.55 | ttuttle | ericz: Yeah. And getting a new toy is always fun. |
| 19:27.42 | ericz | i suppose.. |
| 19:28.31 | melmoth | ttuttle, http://tabletblog.com/2006/12/welcome-to-your-new-nokia-770.html :) |
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| 19:29.28 | ttuttle | melmoth: Oh man, I'm so excited. Thanks. |
| 19:31.06 | ericz | ooh *boomarks* |
| 19:32.34 | _gpg_ | i dont know from where i can start, but let's give it a try :) |
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| 19:33.33 | _gpg_ | i'm working on realtime embedded software for automotive (telepatics) |
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| 19:34.13 | _gpg_ | i've just discovered maemo and would like to know if some one thaught about extending its features to automotive domain |
| 19:34.29 | _gpg_ | ? |
| 19:34.45 | ttuttle | _gpg_: carman. |
| 19:37.55 | _gpg_ | ttuttle seems to be just a monitor, not something to embed to the vehicle, i'm i wrong ? |
| 19:40.30 | ||cw | _gpg_: maemo currently only runs on the nokia 770 and n800 |
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| 19:40.56 | ||cw | it's also not "real time" |
| 19:41.03 | pupnik | how does woot do those low prices? do you sign up for a cellfone contract? |
| 19:41.11 | pupnik | do you sign-off your firstborn? |
| 19:41.14 | pupnik | that is too cheap |
| 19:41.17 | ericz | haha, woot's just awesome. |
| 19:41.42 | pupnik | umm. i've been in computer/electronics distribution |
| 19:41.50 | _gpg_ | ||cw i know, some of my projects arnt realtime too, but still run using qnx and other rtos |
| 19:41.55 | ttuttle | ericz: You gonna get one? |
| 19:41.57 | pupnik | that's a suspicious looking price |
| 19:42.00 | ericz | not sure. |
| 19:42.04 | _gpg_ | ||cw this why i'm looking for other solutions |
| 19:42.13 | ||cw | pupnik: they buy overstock lots, probably compusa leftovers |
| 19:42.24 | pupnik | hm ok that could explain it |
| 19:43.17 | ||cw | I doubt woot makes much per unit, but they move a crap load of stuff in a single day |
| 19:43.41 | ||cw | and when you are only packaging one item, it's much faster to do the packaging |
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| 19:44.14 | ||cw | so they cut costs that way, and cut deals with fedex since they are shipping out a bunch of stuff all the same size and weight |
| 19:44.14 | ttuttle | Anyone bought from them before? |
| 19:44.23 | ||cw | I have many times |
| 19:44.26 | ericz | shipping's $5 to all 50 states, i think, for everything.. right? |
| 19:44.31 | ttuttle | ||cw: How's the shipping time? |
| 19:44.34 | ttuttle | ericz: 48 states. |
| 19:44.39 | ericz | ah |
| 19:45.00 | ||cw | ttuttle: sometimes it takes a few days for them to ship out, but packaging is always good and fedex delivers well here |
| 19:45.08 | ||cw | it's 3day I think |
| 19:45.18 | ericz | not like 4-6 weeks? :P |
| 19:45.23 | ttuttle | ||cw: Where do you live (approximately) and how soon do you think I'll get my order placed today? |
| 19:45.24 | ||cw | no |
| 19:45.28 | ||cw | st louis |
| 19:45.45 | ||cw | no idea, it varies from a couple days to a week |
| 19:46.04 | ||cw | midnightbox.com is the same way |
| 19:47.19 | ||cw | woot is reliable though, when they say "new" they mean it. they also stand behind it, if you get and something is wrong they will make an effort to replace or refund |
| 19:47.41 | ttuttle | ||cw: Cool. Their page sounded like they were sorta lazy about returns/refunds, and really didn't like them. |
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| 19:48.49 | ||cw | they do prefer to defer to the manufacture warranty if possible |
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| 19:49.16 | ttuttle | ||cw: So they're in Dallas, you're in St. Louis, and I'm in Boston. So my shipping is likely a little slower. (Although if it's 3-day, it's 3-day.) |
| 19:49.29 | ttuttle | ||cw: Do they start shipping during the day a product sells, or the next day? |
| 19:49.34 | ||cw | it's "fedex express saver" |
| 19:49.43 | ||cw | don't know |
| 19:49.54 | ttuttle | Ok. |
| 19:50.05 | ||cw | maybe depends on the couple days before and how many they sold |
| 19:52.27 | ttuttle | ||cw: Fedex thinks it will get here Thursday if they ship today. |
| 19:52.52 | ||cw | I don't think they have ever shipped same day |
| 19:53.15 | ttuttle | ||cw: Awww... so maybe friday. |
| 19:53.16 | ||cw | maybe if the prec day was slow and you ordered at midnight |
| 19:53.36 | ||cw | at best, friday |
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| 19:53.57 | ttuttle | Oh, I *hope* Friday... |
| 19:54.38 | ||cw | i woulnd't count it |
| 19:55.13 | ttuttle | Do they ask Fedex to deliver on Saturdays? |
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| 19:55.17 | ||cw | last thing I got i order on the 19th and they shipped on the 22 |
| 19:55.23 | ttuttle | ::grumble:: |
| 19:55.32 | ||cw | 19 was a saturday though |
| 19:55.57 | ||cw | in fed i ordered on the 10th and they shipped ont eh 11th though |
| 19:56.43 | ttuttle | The fact that they're not sold out yet surprises me. |
| 19:57.07 | ||cw | me too, especially since it's so much cheaper than ebay |
| 19:57.14 | ttuttle | I should've bought 2 or 3. |
| 19:57.25 | ttuttle | But I didn't want to risk the extra money, and I've never used eBay. |
| 19:57.27 | ||cw | if I wasn't tight for money I'd buy 3 and turn them around on ebay |
| 19:58.03 | ||cw | likely woulnd't be a huge profit though, $20-$30 after fees |
| 19:58.13 | ttuttle | ||cw: Can I change my order after submitting, and add another to it? |
| 19:58.19 | ttuttle | ||cw: Well, depends where you sell them. |
| 19:58.20 | ||cw | never tried |
| 19:58.42 | ttuttle | ||cw: eBay's competitive. If you found a place where you could mark them up more (for example, sell them to friends for $180) you could make more money. |
| 19:59.00 | ||cw | if I had friends with money :D |
| 19:59.08 | ttuttle | ||cw: ...yeah. |
| 19:59.37 | ||cw | looks like 1 to 3 days is typical processing time |
| 20:00.02 | ||cw | from my purchase history (gmail seatch FTW) |
| 20:00.24 | ttuttle | ||cw: Okay, that's reasonable. 1 to 3 days, plus 3 day shipping = this Friday to next Tuesday. Sweet. |
| 20:00.28 | bstock | is there any sound at all for the 2007 hacker os or just no screen tap noise |
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| 20:02.17 | ttuttle | Oh, what media player is available? Can I install MPD? |
| 20:03.14 | melmoth | i would recommand ukmp |
| 20:03.17 | ttuttle | Ok. |
| 20:03.21 | melmoth | open source, plays ogg and mp3 |
| 20:03.33 | melmoth | plus you can nag the developper here if you find some bugs :) |
| 20:04.08 | ||cw | the built in nokia player is ok for mp3s, it's nothing special though |
| 20:04.13 | ericz | woot gives you a tracking number, right? |
| 20:04.26 | ||cw | yes |
| 20:04.42 | ||cw | they will email you when it ships |
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| 20:09.47 | ttuttle | brb |
| 20:13.59 | ttuttle | back |
| 20:14.13 | ttuttle | Is there a good IRC client for the N770? (Realizing that IRC on it is painful.) |
| 20:14.18 | pupnik | i'm pretty happy with how the buttons turned out |
| 20:14.19 | ttuttle | Has anyone ported Dasher? |
| 20:14.20 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/aliens_nokia_onscreenbuttons.jpg |
| 20:14.32 | ttuttle | pupnik: Looks cool. |
| 20:14.37 | pupnik | irssi and xchat |
| 20:14.54 | ||cw | and gaim, or whatever they are calling it now |
| 20:15.09 | ttuttle | ||cw: pidgin. |
| 20:15.31 | ||cw | i'm never gonna remember that name |
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| 20:18.11 | zyxulnaga | pidgin |
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| 20:25.28 | ericz | ttuttle, wooted it. |
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| 20:27.21 | bstock | ok, when flashing and the flash command finishes, the n770 just sits at the white NOKIA screen with a green bar. do i have to unplug the USB or something nwo? |
| 20:27.34 | ttuttle | ericz: Congrats and welcome to the club! |
| 20:27.59 | ttuttle | ericz: /me hopes they ship them quickly. |
| 20:28.04 | ericz | haha, i hope so too |
| 20:28.38 | ericz | did you get an extra sd card or anything? |
| 20:29.05 | ttuttle | ericz: Nah. Apparently NewEgg sold out of RS-MMC cards today as a result of this listing on woot. |
| 20:29.13 | ericz | haha |
| 20:29.29 | ttuttle | ericz: I'm gonna see how much space I need first, and how much I can get away with online storagew. |
| 20:29.52 | ericz | the woot side deal thing is at http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/campaigns/campaigntemplate.asp?CampaignID=28&SRCCODE=WOOT0107&CMP=SPC-WOOT |
| 20:29.58 | ericz | 2gb sd cards there |
| 20:30.37 | ttuttle | ericz: Ewww, tigerdirect. |
| 20:30.51 | ttuttle | ericz: SD, not RS-MMC. |
| 20:30.57 | ericz | ohh. duh |
| 20:31.09 | ericz | haha, i got a laserprinter from there though, what's wrong with them |
| 20:32.04 | ttuttle | ericz: Er, Newegg is cheaper, and some people have complained about them. |
| 20:32.11 | ericz | ah |
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| 20:42.12 | ericz | ttuttle, i want it now :( |
| 20:44.45 | ttuttle | ericz: Me too. :-( |
| 20:44.56 | ttuttle | ericz: Let's go fly to w00t's offices and see if we can pick them up ;-) |
| 20:45.01 | ericz | dallas? k |
| 20:45.18 | ericz | i'd want my $5 for shipping back though |
| 20:45.30 | ttuttle | ericz: ...of course. And a T-shirt for your trouble, right? |
| 20:45.34 | ericz | sure! |
| 20:45.38 | ttuttle | ericz: ;-) |
| 20:45.46 | ericz | a tour even |
| 20:46.00 | ttuttle | ericz: Yeah. They'll probably make you pack and ship a few orders though. |
| 20:46.07 | ericz | haha |
| 20:46.15 | ericz | "see what we have to go through?!" |
| 20:48.07 | ttuttle | ericz: Oh man this is gonna ROCK! |
| 20:48.37 | ericz | :) |
| 20:49.06 | ericz | looking into usb keyboards now |
| 20:49.33 | ttuttle | ericz: You know you need a special (probably homemade) adapter to use USB devices with the N770? It's intended as a USB device. |
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| 21:09.15 | Veggen | ah. a gmyth howto. |
| 21:09.30 | Veggen | anyone using gmyth= |
| 21:09.31 | Veggen | ? |
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| 21:12.23 | renatofilho_ | Veggen: Hi, I working with gmyth |
| 21:14.10 | Veggen | does it work? makes it easy to access mythtv-recordings, etc? |
| 21:15.28 | renatofilho_ | Veggen: Yes this is the target of gmyth lib |
| 21:15.29 | Veggen | right now, I used a n770-encode.pl (or whatever it was called), made a user job out of it, that just puts a transcoded version in a web-accessible directory. |
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| 21:17.45 | Veggen | renato: no debian packages yet? :) |
| 21:19.27 | renatofilho_ | Veggen: you can download gmencoder from here:https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/gmyth/trunk/gmyth-stream , for get your videos and transcode, and get this gst element (https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/gmyth/trunk/gst-gmyth) to transcode from you tv card |
| 21:19.33 | renatofilho_ | Veggen: not yet |
| 21:20.19 | Veggen | Hmm. Nothing to install on the nokia, everything at the mythbox? |
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| 21:24.17 | renatofilho_ | Veggen: you can use this player (http://barbieri-playground.googlecode.com/svn/maemo/catota/) or mplayer with gms for play your files on n800 |
| 21:26.54 | konttori | melmoth: you around? |
| 21:27.02 | konttori | did you remember to call: pygame.init()? |
| 21:27.24 | konttori | well, of course you did if it works on your pc. silly me. bygones |
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| 21:33.44 | pupnik | ericz: get a thinkoutside stowaway (or the nokia) bluetooth keyboard |
| 21:34.31 | ericz | pupnik, thanks, ill look into them |
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| 21:52.11 | monteslu | wow, woot's price is a quarter of what I paid :( |
| 21:52.37 | pupnik | it's depressing |
| 21:52.43 | monteslu | yup |
| 21:52.57 | monteslu | but at least we get an influx of users |
| 21:53.05 | ericz | ha, that's why i'm here! |
| 21:53.23 | pupnik | i am hoping one of the DrPocketSNES guys can pick one up |
| 21:53.32 | monteslu | I preorder one at launch, love the thing |
| 21:53.59 | monteslu | actually put it away for almost a year, but dug it out recently. The repos are awesome these days. Tons of apps |
| 21:54.23 | pupnik | i have a bunch of works in progress at http://pupnik.de |
| 21:55.07 | pupnik | for e.g. http://pupnik.de/dosbox_maemo_065_001.tgz |
| 21:55.49 | monteslu | I did a port of gnuboy, but never got the screen to tilt 90degrees |
| 21:56.03 | pupnik | nice |
| 21:56.14 | monteslu | the buttons are kinda setup so that you need to rotate the screen |
| 21:56.16 | ericz | is it a big deal to get sshd running? |
| 21:56.27 | monteslu | nope, just install the dropbear server |
| 21:56.31 | pupnik | would you be interested in working on DrPocketSNES? They claim full speed with sound on a 250mhz GP2x |
| 21:56.32 | monteslu | its in the repos |
| 21:56.43 | ericz | i don't have to flash anything or void my warranty, heh |
| 21:56.56 | monteslu | ericz, nope |
| 21:57.00 | ericz | awesome. |
| 21:57.25 | monteslu | pupnik, I'll take a look. been a while since I did any porting. Nokia kinda pissed me off be releasing the N800 so soon |
| 21:57.26 | ericz | how about ssh'ing to other machines? |
| 21:57.39 | monteslu | the dropbear client is in the same repo |
| 21:57.44 | ericz | k, cool |
| 21:57.46 | monteslu | you can even tunnel with it |
| 21:58.48 | monteslu | I was on vacation this weekend, and was using the maemomapper with a bluetooth gps. My hotel had wireless, but not httpS, but i was able to ssh to my house and tunnel a vnc connection to my server |
| 21:59.08 | pupnik | sweet |
| 21:59.42 | monteslu | BTW, mission valley resort in San Diego is kinda overpriced, and the wireless connection doesn't reach far from the lobby :) |
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| 22:05.56 | ericz | there's snes9x for n770?! |
| 22:06.33 | pupnik | yeah i just cross compiled it |
| 22:06.53 | pupnik | played a bit of chrono last week, but it's slow and no sound |
| 22:07.04 | pupnik | which is why DrPocketSNES is so crucial - it's much much faster |
| 22:07.08 | ericz | ah |
| 22:07.22 | ericz | what about zsnes? |
| 22:07.31 | ericz | still slow? |
| 22:07.33 | pupnik | zsnes needs x86 cpu |
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| 22:07.41 | ericz | oh |
| 22:07.41 | pupnik | or it did, last time i checked |
| 22:07.43 | monteslu | I'd be happy with an emulator for the original NES |
| 22:07.50 | monteslu | can't get enough metroid and smb3 |
| 22:07.51 | pupnik | Tak made FCEU |
| 22:07.58 | pupnik | so you can play NES games |
| 22:08.02 | monteslu | screen rotated? |
| 22:08.04 | pupnik | with choppy sound - but it works |
| 22:08.08 | pupnik | why rotated? |
| 22:08.14 | monteslu | because the buttons on the left |
| 22:08.26 | pupnik | FCEU has onscreen buttons on the right |
| 22:08.38 | pupnik | so you have dpad on the left and A/B buttons on the right side of the screen |
| 22:08.45 | monteslu | interesting |
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| 22:08.58 | monteslu | can you use b & a at the same time |
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| 22:09.10 | monteslu | (for running jumps in SMB) |
| 22:09.25 | pupnik | Afaik no, but he could add a third button that would combine them |
| 22:09.36 | pupnik | That's what i am doing for Ur-Quan Masters (Star Control 2) |
| 22:10.10 | pupnik | Ah but the running jump wouldn't work |
| 22:10.23 | monteslu | yeah, you hold b to run then tap a |
| 22:10.25 | pupnik | Unfortunately the 770/800 buttons only accept one button simultaneously |
| 22:10.28 | monteslu | whiel still hold b |
| 22:10.51 | pupnik | ok that's out. Given the poor dpad design, action games are pretty much out, imo |
| 22:10.55 | pupnik | unless you're playing with keyboard |
| 22:11.09 | monteslu | or rotating the screen :) |
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| 22:11.53 | pupnik | still can't do direction and keypress simultaneously |
| 22:12.20 | pupnik | the 770/800 can only accept one button press at a time |
| 22:12.29 | monteslu | gotcha |
| 22:13.04 | monteslu | but it can through a bluetooth thumboard? |
| 22:13.12 | pupnik | Yeah BT can |
| 22:13.49 | monteslu | can tak's fceu be configured to use different buttons? |
| 22:14.03 | pupnik | I was dreaming of manufacturing a larger aluminum cover, with buttons and d-pad on the sides, that connected via bluetooth |
| 22:14.13 | monteslu | nice |
| 22:14.52 | pupnik | um i think so |
| 22:15.10 | monteslu | add a built-in rechargeable battery that loops out to power up the 770 |
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| 22:16.02 | pupnik | Yeah, you could also do a homemade version. |
| 22:16.11 | monteslu | and has a slide out thumboard :) |
| 22:16.55 | pupnik | Just buy one of those bluetooth controllers, take it apart. Buy a spare aluminum cover, then cast or carve out a shell that attaches to the spare aluminum cover. |
| 22:18.07 | pupnik | If you wanted to make a really thick one, you'd have space for a usb hard drive and extra Li-ion battery |
| 22:18.47 | pupnik | Pretty disappointing that the N800 doesn't have the sliding cover, imo |
| 22:20.06 | monteslu | maemo mapper with a bluetooth GPS is a good enough nav system for me |
| 22:20.43 | pupnik | the map data is free or commercial? |
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| 22:21.48 | monteslu | there is free stuff, but the commercial stuff is better |
| 22:23.53 | monteslu | internettablettalk has some links to sites you can use, and you can tell maemomapper that you want to cache map images on you card |
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| 22:27.06 | pupnik | I don't travel. It's too expensive |
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| 23:58.01 | samiam010203 | hello all |
| 23:58.10 | samiam010203 | anyone active right now ? |
| 23:58.23 | monteslu | sup dude |
| 23:58.56 | samiam010203 | im trying to install mh-shot-tool but its complaining about missing dependacies so im woundering what repos i need to at to myu sources.list |
