| 00:00.50 | henkt | any way how to check that? |
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| 00:01.21 | pupnik | i usually enter the error into google :) |
| 00:01.53 | pupnik | apt-cache policy libgtk2.0-dev would show you whether you have it installed |
| 00:02.04 | pupnik | but i don't think that's the right library |
| 00:03.04 | henkt | ok :) |
| 00:08.03 | henkt | yes it works now |
| 00:08.25 | henkt | got the error form Google :) |
| 00:08.54 | henkt | Xephyr was not (didnt put the Display :=2) |
| 00:12.21 | henkt | cio pupnik |
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| 02:26.19 | livingtm | are there any mirrors to the bora repository? |
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| 02:49.55 | edt | how do you manually setup a proxy server for opera? I have a PAN connection bluetooth using a private network and cannot nat on the other end. Socks proxy would be idea. |
| 02:56.17 | livingtm | Im having this issue on my ubuntu feisty install of scratchbox with the bora SDK: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/21583 It seems to be an architecture issue. dpkg-architecture does not seem to know about armel, only arm |
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| 03:18.35 | livingtm | Finally fixed my repository issue if anyone was in on that earlier... The SDK installation script installed into the /scratchbox/devkits directory the following: debian-sarge debian-lenny debian-etch. |
| 03:20.04 | livingtm | I was unable to "apt-get update" getting Error 404's. The ARMEL target's architecture was arm rather than armel according to dpkg-architecture, which didnt know about armel. I created a simlink debian->debian-etch, reinstalled the SDK, and no longer have problems with the repository |
| 03:20.41 | livingtm | aparently in debian-sarge didn't know about armel, but etch does. |
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| 04:21.06 | schwa | I have a question about the n800 |
| 04:22.08 | schwa | the removable memory card slot seems to no longer be working on my n800. Has anyone else had this proble? |
| 04:22.14 | schwa | problem? |
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| 04:26.53 | pruney | Has anyone had the problem where the removable memory card slot stops working? |
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| 04:40.51 | unique311 | k, after a nice littley nap..... |
| 04:40.58 | unique311 | i think i've done it.... |
| 04:41.01 | unique311 | pupnik |
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| 05:13.36 | hieptranit | hi |
| 05:15.00 | hieptranit | help |
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| 05:16.31 | hieptranit | hello? |
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| 05:19.46 | hieptranit | hello everybody |
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| 05:34.51 | hieptranit | hi |
| 05:36.25 | unique311 | hello |
| 05:37.08 | pupnik_ | what zzup |
| 05:37.41 | pupnik_ | hi, my name is pupnik, and i'm a maemoholic |
| 05:37.53 | unique311 | hey pupnik |
| 05:37.55 | unique311 | i'm done.. |
| 05:38.10 | unique311 | you should uplaod the deb packs to the project page on maemo.org |
| 05:38.33 | unique311 | i'm posting on internettablettalk right now... |
| 05:40.26 | hieptranit | hey |
| 05:40.44 | hieptranit | can anyone help me |
| 05:41.09 | hieptranit | i am new to maemo and need help on how to add multiple buttons |
| 05:41.11 | VimSi | depents on what's your problem... |
| 05:41.51 | hieptranit | i looked at gtk api but there nothing about adding multiple buttons |
| 05:42.59 | hieptranit | i want to add a window and inside that window have multiple buttons |
| 05:42.59 | pupnik | nice job unique311 |
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| 05:43.22 | unique311 | you got the links? |
| 05:44.06 | pupnik | hieptranit: maybe looking at the source for a maemo app that has multiple buttons would help |
| 05:45.07 | hieptranit | where can i find these source? |
| 05:45.58 | pupnik | almost all programs for nokia are open source |
| 05:50.46 | unique311 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=53300#post53300 |
| 05:50.52 | unique311 | there it is... |
| 05:52.46 | pupnik | ok good job - i'll look at em today |
| 05:53.37 | unique311 | hopefull the debs install on the 770 |
| 05:54.20 | unique311 | after installing the fltk and pose you will have my horrible job at icons in the extras folder... |
| 06:11.29 | pupnik | this is great stuff |
| 06:11.39 | pupnik | the double size pose |
| 06:11.59 | unique311 | its good on the 770? |
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| 06:12.49 | unique311 | if the DEBs work on the 770, i need to edit the post on ITT |
| 06:13.03 | pupnik | no just looking at screenshots |
| 06:14.32 | unique311 | going to work on adding drop down menu |
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| 06:15.13 | unique311 | thinking a keyboard might not be necessary if i can get that right click pop up to just drop down |
| 06:15.46 | unique311 | map a key to it maybe... |
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| 06:17.11 | pupnik | pose has a drop down internal keyboard? |
| 06:17.44 | unique311 | yes |
| 06:17.50 | unique311 | the graffiti area.. |
| 06:18.02 | unique311 | when you want to write a note.... |
| 06:18.10 | unique311 | click on the abc or 123 |
| 06:18.15 | unique311 | and it pops up.. |
| 06:18.18 | unique311 | which is cool |
| 06:18.21 | pupnik | sweet |
| 06:18.39 | unique311 | thats why i position the bottom part of the lcd like i did.. |
| 06:18.49 | unique311 | it was not an mistake.. |
| 06:19.42 | unique311 | within that rectangle...if you click way in the upper left the clock will show up....bottom left is the abc and bottom right is the 123 |
| 06:20.15 | unique311 | that right click menu is the FLTK |
| 06:21.10 | pupnik | ahh |
| 06:21.26 | unique311 | well not FLTK but |
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| 06:23.44 | unique311 | the SrcUnix folder inside the Emulator folder.. |
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| 06:24.56 | pupnik | yeah a button to bring up a keyboard would be great |
| 06:25.07 | unique311 | no... |
| 06:25.14 | unique311 | not a keyboard... |
| 06:25.15 | pupnik | ? |
| 06:25.19 | unique311 | don't need that.. |
| 06:25.30 | unique311 | pose has the internal keyboard.. |
| 06:25.38 | pupnik | yeah i mean that |
| 06:25.48 | pupnik | i never got the internal keyboard working |
| 06:26.04 | unique311 | well it should work now.. |
| 06:26.46 | pupnik | with a 'right click'? (tap and hold?) or a left click on abc/123? |
| 06:26.48 | unique311 | basically the only folder i see needing some type of hildonizing is that SrcUnix folder |
| 06:28.16 | unique311 | seem to work for me..left click on abc or 123 and clock |
| 06:28.22 | pupnik | ok ty |
| 06:29.47 | unique311 | it works.. |
| 06:29.57 | unique311 | just tested it out again |
| 06:30.08 | unique311 | upper right corner is contrast |
| 06:32.31 | unique311 | also just realised i can shrink that graffiti pad to fit correctly....the hotspot for the buttons...are all within reach.. |
| 06:33.03 | unique311 | next release i will shorten the width |
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| 06:40.36 | pupnik | boy it's good to have ITT forums... to remember what i did on these ports |
| 06:41.25 | pupnik | nice with the shrunk pad |
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| 07:43.55 | florian | good morning |
| 07:44.08 | pupnik | onward maemo soldiers... |
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| 07:51.38 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:53.22 | unique311 | just made a discover... |
| 07:53.40 | unique311 | the arrow buttons work...as left up down right.. |
| 07:53.48 | unique311 | and the button in the middle is enter... |
| 07:54.22 | Jaffa | yup |
| 07:55.09 | unique311 | well for pose |
| 07:55.10 | unique311 | lol |
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| 08:01.19 | sbaturzio | Aloha! |
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| 08:21.08 | AD-N770 | good morning |
| 08:22.05 | pupnik | nethack? |
| 08:22.10 | AD-N770 | could be |
| 08:22.45 | AD-N770 | pupnik: is you game working ? |
| 08:22.56 | AD-N770 | you/your |
| 08:22.58 | pupnik | TOME? no progress lately |
| 08:23.10 | pupnik | just the curses version |
| 08:23.38 | AD-N770 | I've been busy too last weeks |
| 08:23.46 | pupnik | school? work? |
| 08:24.09 | AD-N770 | work, and mainly drive 2h each day |
| 08:24.33 | pupnik | programming, i hope |
| 08:25.18 | AD-N770 | yes, at least is not project management as it was in my previous job |
| 08:25.44 | AD-N770 | I prefer write code than write mails and reports |
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| 08:25.58 | pupnik | too bad you can't do telecommuting a few days a week |
| 08:26.50 | AD-N770 | not by now |
| 08:36.28 | b0unc3 | morning... |
| 08:40.04 | unique311 | yo |
| 08:40.08 | unique311 | pupnik... |
| 08:40.13 | unique311 | figured it out... |
| 08:40.35 | unique311 | mousebuttons can be mapped on the skin.. |
| 08:40.47 | unique311 | left center right |
| 08:41.10 | unique311 | guessing that'll solve the right click issue with it.. |
| 08:41.13 | unique311 | i think |
| 08:42.18 | pupnik | that's great. being able to do things in the skins is very useful. |
| 08:42.24 | pupnik | avoids having to change the POSE source |
| 08:42.39 | unique311 | read it to quick... |
| 08:42.47 | unique311 | symbol specific mappings.. |
| 08:43.11 | unique311 | // Symbol-specific |
| 08:43.11 | unique311 | kElement_TriggerLeft, |
| 08:43.11 | unique311 | kElement_TriggerCenter, |
| 08:43.11 | unique311 | kElement_TriggerRight, |
| 08:44.26 | unique311 | still have another option... |
| 08:45.32 | unique311 | map the right click key to the FL_Enter key...which is mapped right now to that square button in the middle of the directional pad |
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| 09:42.08 | unique311 | holy shit...pardon my french.... |
| 09:42.42 | pupnik | maybe he has an unpatched norton firewall :P |
| 09:42.44 | unique311 | the pose package fltk and roms&skin...downloaded so much times.. |
| 09:42.50 | unique311 | 61 for pose |
| 09:43.00 | unique311 | 65 for roms&skin |
| 09:43.04 | unique311 | 77 fltk |
| 09:43.10 | unique311 | good stuff |
| 09:43.46 | unique311 | i just figured out the buttom mapping..and compiled a new version... |
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| 10:18.45 | unique311 | happy dayz.... |
| 10:19.42 | unique311 | k, so the keymapping worked...in scratchbox. now to see if it will play nice with the N800. |
| 10:20.17 | unique311 | F6 which is the fullscreen key for most apps should act as a right click.. |
| 10:21.26 | pupnik | if it works, it will be a right click on the last touched position on the screen |
| 10:21.39 | unique311 | yes |
| 10:22.09 | unique311 | and then installing apps, doing everything pretty much will be easier...no keyboard needed.. |
| 10:22.56 | unique311 | all it required was modifying 1 file in SrcUnix |
| 10:23.18 | unique311 | going of the fact that some of them worked |
| 10:23.25 | unique311 | now all the keys are mapped. |
| 10:27.19 | unique311 | yes |
| 10:27.23 | unique311 | it works |
| 10:27.37 | unique311 | it fucking works...pardon my french |
| 10:28.50 | sxpert-work | ROTFL |
| 10:29.16 | unique311 | it works..... |
| 10:29.21 | unique311 | right click |
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| 10:30.03 | unique311 | i freaking mapped it to F6 fullscreen button |
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| 13:50.27 | livingtm | This tutorial: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/2-x/howto_making_an_application_package.html links to a file http://maemo.org/downloads/hello-world-app_0.4.tar.gz which doesnt semto exist. anyone know where i can find it? |
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| 13:52.32 | X-Fade_ | livingtm: This is 0.4.1? http://repository.maemo.org/pool/bora/free/source/hello-world-app_0.4.1.tar.gz |
| 13:53.13 | X-Fade_ | livingtm: Or this is the 0.4 one: https://stage.maemo.org/svn/website/trunk/documentation/content/downloads/hello-world-app_0.4.tar.gz |
| 13:53.24 | livingtm | X-Fade_, thanks! |
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| 14:36.33 | lardman | From my limited understanding, it's usual to pass parameters to and return values from a function using the stack |
| 14:36.43 | livingtm | is there a maemomm example out there that is debianized and ready to build? |
| 14:37.00 | lardman | but, in embedded programming, are 'spare' registers often used instead? |
| 14:39.01 | derf | I have no idea about ARM conventions, but on x86, return values are almost always in registers, and depending on the calling conventions you instruct the compiler to use, you can also pass parameters in registers. |
| 14:40.01 | derf | (for example, if you've ever compiled your own kernel, you can choose this option) |
| 14:40.22 | lardman | hmm, I'm reading the TMS320 C/C++ docs to see whether they tell me the convention, but if it was written in asm in the first place, I may have to do more guessing |
| 14:40.32 | lardman | as there will be no convention |
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| 14:40.49 | lardman | thanks for the info |
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| 14:47.41 | lardman | derf: Right, well fyi Ti DSPs also pass and return in registers |
| 14:48.07 | derf | Learn something every day. |
| 14:48.24 | lardman | Not sure it'll be of any use to you mind ;) |
| 14:49.02 | lardman | I've another asm question, are there easy ways to spot whether code was written in asm or in c (or perhaps even c++)? |
| 14:50.50 | derf | If you know the compiler used to compile it, you can often recognize some of the patterns it uses, and tell when other pieces of code don't follow those patterns. |
| 14:51.04 | derf | But I'm not sure if I'd quantify that as "easy". |
| 14:51.18 | lardman | Okay, so no hard and fast rules, though the passing conventions might be a clue I guess |
| 14:51.37 | derf | Yeah, calling conventions and stack management are usually big clues. |
| 14:51.39 | lardman | Actually I should write some test code and look at the asm output |
| 14:51.51 | derf | That's what I do. You learn a lot. |
| 14:51.56 | lardman | cool, thanks |
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| 15:04.27 | s-ndh-c | damn the headphone jack on my n770 seems to be broken somehow |
| 15:04.35 | s-ndh-c | i only have sound on one side |
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| 15:22.32 | saerdnaer | is it possible to get spare parts for n770 like the small plasic thing around the jacks someware in germany? |
| 15:22.41 | livingtm | is there a way to use Kdevelop in the host, and set it up to do the compiling in scratchbox? |
| 15:22.52 | saerdnaer | s/someware/somewhere |
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| 15:44.22 | Blacksitox | hi :P |
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| 15:53.22 | ||cw | saerdnaer: you could try calling nokia support |
| 15:53.43 | saerdnaer | its not so essential |
| 15:54.47 | ||cw | I'd like a spare cover |
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| 16:17.37 | saerdnaer | yes thats also a nice idea |
| 16:18.19 | saerdnaer | maybe its possible to mount a 2.5'' hard disc and some batteries on it ;-) |
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| 17:05.48 | melmoth | is it me, or is garage down ? |
| 17:06.22 | sbaturzio | melmoth: is down for me too |
| 17:07.00 | melmoth | grumble |
| 17:07.22 | pupnik | who brokeded it? |
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| 17:50.13 | livingtm | Ive been able to build an application in the armel target for my n770 using the c++ bindings for gtk/hildon. Now i copied the executable to the nokia device and its missing some shared libraries... |
| 17:51.06 | livingtm | I added the extras repo to the 770 and cant seem to find anything related to libhildon |
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| 17:55.45 | livingtm | I didnt use the debian package to install it, i just copied the binary over.. thats probably part of my problem |
| 17:58.38 | b0unc3 | livingtm: which is the error ? |
| 18:09.43 | pupnik | livingtm: you can execute 'ldd <filename>' to see which libraries the executeable needs |
| 18:25.40 | pupnik | with mplayer? |
| 18:25.50 | X-Fade_ | No, internal player.. |
| 18:26.01 | X-Fade_ | Nasatv has a real player stream. |
| 18:26.09 | X-Fade_ | www.nasa.gov/ntv |
| 18:26.53 | X-Fade_ | Just hit the real player link and the internal player pops up.. Works great.. |
| 18:27.48 | pupnik | nice |
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| 18:36.33 | mbuf | maemo platform is only for application development? can we do any kernel development for N800? |
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| 18:37.03 | X-Fade_ | mbuf: Sure you can.. |
| 18:38.02 | X-Fade_ | All tools should be there to compile your own kernel etc.. |
| 18:38.22 | mbuf | X-Fade_ : from Scratchbox? is the code base separate for maemo and for the Linux kernel? |
| 18:39.59 | melmoth | there is this (manaworld) sdl c++ game that i can run in scratchbox, but...being sdl and stuff, the virtual keyboard does not pop up in text input |
| 18:40.29 | X-Fade_ | mbuf: Check this out: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_kernel_guide_bora.html |
| 18:40.31 | melmoth | is there a way in c++ to have it pop up ? so may be , i could just have a hardware key puping it |
| 18:40.43 | mbuf | X-Fade_ thanks |
| 18:40.47 | X-Fade_ | mbuf: I think that describes all that you need to know.. |
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| 18:41.30 | mbuf | X-Fade_ I guess I need to explore the wiki a lot more than what I am doing now, thanks for your help |
| 18:41.48 | X-Fade_ | mbuf: That is not the wiki.. That is the official documentation.. |
| 18:42.11 | mbuf | X-Fade_ ahh ok |
| 18:42.17 | X-Fade_ | mbuf: The howtos: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/ |
| 18:42.50 | mbuf | X-Fade_ no wonder i was looking at the wrong place |
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| 18:44.23 | X-Fade_ | Nokia/maemo wants you to experiment with that, so they actually wrote documentation for it ;) |
| 18:44.35 | guardian | hi |
| 18:44.41 | guardian | for what, i'm curious :) |
| 18:44.47 | mbuf | X-Fade_ are you guys looking for some developers, full-time, just curious :) |
| 18:45.06 | X-Fade_ | mbuf: I think they are.. |
| 18:46.05 | mbuf | X-Fade_ cool |
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| 18:47.31 | X-Fade_ | http://careers.nokia.com/nokia/hr/recrsyst.nsf/WB2RR/A8D42B33FA4A5987C22572E4006C9E7E?OpenDocument&Lang=Global |
| 18:47.50 | X-Fade_ | http://careers.nokia.com/nokia/hr/recrsyst.nsf/WB2RR/D54DCA86A082C96BC22572E9005B34BE?OpenDocument&Lang=Global |
| 18:47.58 | X-Fade_ | Hmm no pure programmer jobs atm.. |
| 18:49.07 | mbuf | X-Fade, Yannick's blog, http://yannickpellet.blogspot.com/ |
| 18:50.17 | X-Fade_ | Heh, they are also looking for another tigert ;) http://careers.nokia.com/nokia/hr/recrsyst.nsf/WB2RR/95FA2E96D582053EC22572DD001EA5F6?OpenDocument&Lang=Global |
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| 18:51.58 | mbuf | does the Maemo team have some annual conference or any Live tutorial or demo sessions? |
| 18:52.46 | X-Fade_ | Guadec for sure. But they visited a lot of conferences.. |
| 18:53.22 | mbuf | i see |
| 18:57.07 | mbuf | X-Fade_ thanks for your help, will catch up sometime later |
| 18:57.09 | mbuf | cya |
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| 20:19.50 | melmoth | what is supposed to be the audio device ? |
| 20:19.56 | melmoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:19.59 | melmoth | or is it alsa ? |
| 20:20.06 | melmoth | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:26.24 | tigert | its gstreamer |
| 20:28.41 | acydlord | /dev/ears |
| 20:29.20 | acydlord | and damn i want a pair of full immersion 3d surround headphones |
| 20:33.23 | melmoth | oh, cool. There are gstreamer python module |
| 20:33.26 | melmoth | and even a tutorial |
| 20:33.35 | melmoth | http://pygstdocs.berlios.de/pygst-tutorial/playbin.html |
| 20:33.57 | melmoth | Now, the original idea is this post: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6942 |
| 20:34.12 | melmoth | wich i think is splendid (my neighboors are quite...noisy sometimes) |
| 20:34.43 | melmoth | Is there an easy way to use gstreamer to synthetise a white or pink noise, or is reading a wav file in loop the other option ? |
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| 20:39.03 | melmoth | http://www.eecs.umich.edu/~pelzlpj/whitenoise/ :) |
| 20:44.11 | livingtm | pupnik, b0unc3 the file that is missing from the 770 is libhildon-libsmm-1.0.so.1 |
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| 20:51.13 | melmoth | crap, whitenoise use /dev/dsp as well... |
| 20:51.28 | melmoth | so, anybody knows if gstreamer can be use as a synth ? |
| 20:52.18 | melmoth | the problem is to have zero interruption , so playing a mp3 in loop would not be that cool (slight pause before restarting) |
| 20:53.30 | ||cw | you need a gapless player |
| 20:53.40 | kakos | Anyone know if someone has made rdiff-backup-1.1.x for the n800? |
| 20:54.42 | melmoth | where is kontori when one needs him ? :) |
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| 21:35.42 | k-s[WORK] | koen: http://www.gustavobarbieri.com.br/e17-n800/ |
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| 21:49.15 | melmoth | Is it not suppose to talk about a white noise generator ? http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/documentation/plugins.html |
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