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| 02:25.37 | m-vo | monteslu, just spaces |
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| 04:23.30 | cesman | hello hello |
| 04:23.36 | cesman | any maemo mapper users around? |
| 04:23.58 | cesman | When I download a route, I cannot see it unless I zoom out |
| 04:24.13 | cesman | the is it basically lines criss-crossing the globe |
| 04:24.28 | cesman | distance to end of the route is almost 2 million miles! |
| 04:24.34 | cesman | anyone else seeing this?! |
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| 07:16.53 | cesman | Gizmo on the N800 is F'n cool! |
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| 07:52.52 | pello | ih |
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| 07:53.06 | pello | do you know if there is a french maemo channel on frenode? |
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| 07:57.45 | melmoth | pello: not that i am aware of |
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| 07:59.25 | pello | ack melmoth |
| 07:59.44 | melmoth | pello do you need help in french ? |
| 07:59.57 | melmoth | i dont know maemo super well, but i know french :) |
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| 08:00.17 | pello | pas pour l'instant j'ai commande le n800 ce matin, je visite les sites communautaires |
| 08:01.48 | pello | ha si tiens y a de la doc pour porter une appli sous mameo ? |
| 08:02.05 | pello | c'est bon j'ai trouve |
| 08:02.08 | pello | arf |
| 08:02.10 | melmoth | :) |
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| 08:15.39 | sbaturzio | Aloha! |
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| 08:20.25 | Jaffa | Moning, all |
| 08:23.49 | greedo | morning |
| 08:28.33 | konttori | Nice size comparison photo of foleo and n800: http://www.palminfocenter.com/images/foleo-live-6-S.jpg |
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| 08:51.55 | mk8 | Hi to all ... |
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| 09:07.15 | Juhaz | heh |
| 09:07.38 | Juhaz | that thing is huge, why would anyone carry one instead of small laptop? |
| 09:10.52 | `0660 | probably only the ones who cannot afford a proper laptop |
| 09:12.09 | Fatal | wow, I thought it was smaller |
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| 09:19.46 | gla55 | huh it's _that_ big??? |
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| 09:22.01 | [Pinguozz] | sbaturzio, hola! |
| 09:22.29 | sbaturzio | [Pinguozz]: Ciao |
| 09:27.08 | konttori | Yeah, much bigger than I thought as well. OTOH keyboard does take space if you want it to be really usable. |
| 09:27.33 | konttori | still, otoh, psion 5 had quite good kb and it was the size of n800. |
| 09:27.43 | konttori | slighly wider though |
| 09:37.55 | pna_ | hi inz did you find how to fix the keyboard under sardine? |
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| 09:44.59 | Jari-- | Anyone have experience with custom widgets? I am building one. |
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| 10:16.01 | konttori | UKMP 1.3 out now! |
| 10:16.21 | konttori | Changes and short vide on: http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2007/06/ukmp-13.html |
| 10:17.11 | konttori | As always accompanied by amateur speaker yours truly |
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| 10:41.10 | gwak | does anybody know in which thread on internettablettalk 'Texrat' dropped his hint? |
| 10:41.21 | konttori | what hint? |
| 10:41.32 | gwak | i am reading this thread |
| 10:41.35 | gwak | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6851&page=7 |
| 10:42.59 | konttori | no idea. |
| 10:43.14 | konttori | Is there an official word on firmware update release? |
| 10:43.27 | konttori | as in when it's going to happen. |
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| 10:43.43 | gwak | not that i have seen, but people on the thread think it is close |
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| 10:44.07 | konttori | Just interested in knowing if it will break application compatibility (like python and from that ukmp) |
| 10:45.06 | gwak | lets hope no APIs will be broken |
| 10:48.04 | konttori | Now that's finally an improved interface for nokia devices: http://www.slashphone.com/64/7496.html |
| 10:48.22 | konttori | Smooth. nice. look at the video |
| 10:49.42 | konttori | many good ideas there. |
| 10:50.07 | konttori | Would need to test it first hand to really say if that works properly, but it looks like it might be a good interface for a phone. |
| 10:51.41 | gla55 | dunno |
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| 10:52.57 | gla55 | it doesn't look like a "interface for a phone" anyways, it's not.. more like a fancy rss reader |
| 10:53.14 | gwak | i like the touchless aspect of NSeries beta video |
| 10:53.16 | gla55 | the video is really shitty quality |
| 10:53.19 | konttori | ahh... true. |
| 10:53.25 | gla55 | touchless? |
| 10:53.33 | gwak | not using the touch screen, |
| 10:53.39 | gla55 | not using? |
| 10:53.39 | gwak | if there is one ;-] |
| 10:53.43 | gla55 | there isn't. |
| 10:54.09 | gla55 | the demoer shows his thumb on the screen for some reasons from time to time |
| 10:55.44 | gla55 | but the video is shot with something that makes the screen look like total crap |
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| 10:58.59 | gla55 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:59.09 | gla55 | so very french to do something french only |
| 11:00.14 | Efrael | All biggest european countries do that |
| 11:01.10 | gwak | the menu structure is almost like a larger version of the pre symbian phones |
| 11:02.29 | konttori | By the way, here is a direct link to the ukmp 1.3 new features video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfE5FMREHQ8 |
| 11:06.36 | gwak | konttori: looks great, i will give it a try tonight |
| 11:07.15 | konttori | Thanks! Black theme looks much better, but the light theme is more usable while you are outside. |
| 11:07.48 | gwak | you did all that in python? |
| 11:07.54 | konttori | yeah |
| 11:08.05 | konttori | I'm really pleased that it now includes all 'easy' functionality. |
| 11:08.27 | konttori | that's my hello world python app |
| 11:08.42 | gwak | a bit of feature creep for your helloworld app, |
| 11:09.13 | konttori | well, I don't think making a test app really makes sense if you want to learn something new. |
| 11:09.23 | konttori | Best way is to set a nice bar and aim for it. |
| 11:09.40 | gwak | i agree, and its ment to be fun right ;-] |
| 11:09.49 | melmoth | i want a real time kernel in python :) |
| 11:10.16 | konttori | I had to lower the bar a bit because of time constraints, but I think that the basic app is nice (I wanted to include images and video as well - perhaps for the 2.0 version then) |
| 11:10.51 | gwak | konttorie: would it be possible to add daap / upnp support? |
| 11:11.14 | konttori | Yeah. I'm actually working on that with coherence guys. |
| 11:11.21 | konttori | That's a branch project. |
| 11:12.14 | konttori | I'm very certain that the upnp is completely doable, the only thing I am sorry about is that the coherence package is so huge at the moment. But they are working to drop unnecessary dependencies from it. |
| 11:12.24 | gwak | i tried Canola, and while very slick the non OS license put me off a bit |
| 11:12.38 | konttori | it's non OS? Really? shame. |
| 11:12.44 | gwak | and it did not read my daap share |
| 11:13.30 | konttori | It would be really simple for me to include daap support. I might do that for the mainstream version by default. |
| 11:13.33 | MoRpHeUz | gwak, konttori: they are working on that (OS) |
| 11:13.42 | konttori | I thought so too. |
| 11:14.06 | konttori | I just thought that they had already completed the OS part |
| 11:14.20 | MoRpHeUz | konttori, gwak: the problem with daap is the new version of itunes..nobody until now could reverse engineer it.. =( |
| 11:14.30 | MoRpHeUz | konttori: yeah..it's a big fight with lawyers... |
| 11:14.37 | gwak | MoR: im using a daapd server not itunes |
| 11:14.50 | konttori | yeah. OTOH, there are good alternative daap servers out there as well. |
| 11:14.53 | MoRpHeUz | gwak: hhmm.. |
| 11:15.12 | gwak | Morp:it sees the archive 10K files, but fails to play |
| 11:15.53 | MoRpHeUz | gwak: try to open a bug on it's bugzilla! |
| 11:16.10 | MoRpHeUz | as far as I know it should work... |
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| 11:29.41 | gwak | MoR: i hacked the Firefly server a bit , so some of the meta information sent to the client might be diffrent then the actual file delivered to the client . |
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| 11:33.18 | konttori | Hey, does anyone know how large is the n800 userbase compared to 770. Or absolute userbase of either of them |
| 11:35.36 | gwak | maybe you could track some key downloads from the maemo.org site |
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| 11:48.01 | konttori | gwak: I don't think that's a good way of knowing it, as not everyone even knows how to go to downloads.maemo.org. |
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| 12:28.39 | gwak | cool multi-touch demo |
| 12:28.42 | gwak | http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/Gottabemobile/~3/126380702/MultiTouchOffTheTableAndOntoTheLaptop.aspx |
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| 12:48.10 | aslakjo | hi, i'm trying to search for more people that is experiencing sudden reboots on the N770 possibly by high CPU load. If some one can give me soms pointers it would be nice... |
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| 13:02.04 | ScoobyCE | hi all, anyone here clued up on cairo? I need someone who's run it on a mobile platform like wince |
| 13:03.47 | X-Fade | ScoobyCE: It runs on a mobile platform like ... maemo :) |
| 13:05.09 | ScoobyCE | ah right, well in that case im in the right place :) |
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| 13:05.46 | Pierre | ScoobyCE: a better place than #wince ;-) |
| 13:05.55 | ScoobyCE | X-Fade: do you know if it runs on wince |
| 13:06.13 | ScoobyCE | im struggling to get font/text support running :/ |
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| 13:07.02 | ScoobyCE | ive ported fontconfig and freetype but cairo doesnt want to render...do you know personally...or know anyone here whos jacked? |
| 13:07.10 | X-Fade | It should run on wince.. But I don't think you'll find many experts for that on this channel. |
| 13:07.29 | gwak | how different is the wince API from win32? |
| 13:07.43 | ScoobyCE | similar but different and limited in places |
| 13:07.44 | Pierre | #cairo would be better, and to check if the win32 backends actually supports the wince specific bmp formats (afair it can be tricky) |
| 13:08.03 | X-Fade | ScoobyCE: http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/tor/archives/2005/04/ |
| 13:08.09 | ScoobyCE | the win32 backend doesnt, but the freetype backend should work |
| 13:08.56 | ScoobyCE | nobody is in #cairo atm, someone there suggested i try here :) |
| 13:09.07 | ScoobyCE | i can get cairo rendering stuff...but its just the fonts that are giving me trouble |
| 13:09.09 | Pierre | I did, was not that wise :) |
| 13:09.18 | ScoobyCE | hehe |
| 13:09.34 | Pierre | well, you can switch to maemo :) |
| 13:10.20 | ScoobyCE | from the link you sent me: |
| 13:10.21 | ScoobyCE | This is running on WinCE using the cairo backend. SVG text is disabled as CE's GDI doesn't seem capable enough for the cairo win32 font backend. |
| 13:10.23 | ScoobyCE | :'(( |
| 13:11.02 | ScoobyCE | there must be a way...doesnt make sense! |
| 13:11.05 | Pierre | have you succeeded to run cairo-ft on win32? |
| 13:11.11 | ScoobyCE | yes |
| 13:11.19 | ScoobyCE | well...not exactly |
| 13:11.31 | ScoobyCE | but i can render fonts through cairo in win32 |
| 13:11.51 | Pierre | question is: can you render fonts on win32 without the win32 backend |
| 13:12.22 | Pierre | if you succeeded, then it should work (even slowly) on wince |
| 13:12.29 | ScoobyCE | i had a similar idea the other day and started rebuilding my project to try exactly that...but its such a hassle that im trying everything else first |
| 13:12.33 | Pierre | as long as you have the required deps installed and running |
| 13:12.50 | ScoobyCE | the thing is, wince doesnt have the same font capabilities at win32 |
| 13:12.55 | Pierre | it is not that hard to compile cairo on windows and enable freetype+co |
| 13:13.19 | Pierre | ScoobyCE: the freetype backend has nothing to do with GDI capabilities, it is pure cairo only rendering |
| 13:14.15 | ScoobyCE | so youre suggesting that if i can get the FT backend working under win32 then theoretically it should also work under ce? |
| 13:14.33 | Pierre | yes, as long as you can compile freetype+fontconfig+cairo for wince |
| 13:14.50 | ScoobyCE | i can, but with quite a few modifications |
| 13:15.34 | ScoobyCE | some of which may be where my problem lies...a lot of the directory/path manipulation stuff ive had to rewrite |
| 13:15.38 | Pierre | I did not try with latest but I did some work with 1.3 (dev tree for 1.4), http://blog.thepimp.net/misc/cairowin32/ |
| 13:15.44 | Pierre | it may help (no cygwin crap) |
| 13:16.14 | Pierre | but I fear that it is slightly OT here :P |
| 13:16.22 | ScoobyCE | hehe |
| 13:16.26 | Pierre | (besides that #maemo rocks and ce is a pain :) |
| 13:17.08 | ScoobyCE | im using visual studio atm....i cant make any changes at this point, im stuck with wince, this is only a small part of the app im working on |
| 13:17.36 | ScoobyCE | ultimately i actually need to render svg images with text...i can render normal svg images, but not text |
| 13:18.04 | Pierre | the link above may help then, "only" need to update the scripts to take care of the 1.4 changes. It supports VC cmd line tools natively (nmake and sdk) |
| 13:19.00 | Pierre | or cross compile it with the help of cygwin+mingw, but I never tried this way, too hackish for me :) |
| 13:19.22 | ScoobyCE | yeah ive been down that road, i dont think thats the way forward for me :/ |
| 13:19.58 | ScoobyCE | the link you sent doesnt deal with ce though does it? |
| 13:20.22 | Pierre | not exactly, it deals with VC tools |
| 13:20.35 | Pierre | it lets you build cairo using VC only |
| 13:22.20 | ScoobyCE | suits me |
| 13:22.30 | ScoobyCE | will give it a try ta for the help |
| 13:22.55 | ScoobyCE | is cworth the guy who wrote cairo? |
| 13:24.07 | Pierre | he is one of the authors yes |
| 13:24.13 | Pierre | bbi5 |
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| 13:48.11 | livingtm | Are there c++ bindings available for the N770? |
| 13:49.00 | livingtm | It seems as though they are only available for Bora, but as far as I can see i cant run bora on my 770 |
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| 13:51.46 | X-Fade | livingtm: Well, you can run the OS2007 - hacker edition on your Nokia 770. |
| 13:51.58 | livingtm | OS2007 = bora? |
| 13:52.12 | X-Fade | yep. |
| 13:53.02 | X-Fade | http://os2007on770.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 13:53.54 | livingtm | Is this legit? http://www.mulliner.org/nokia770/ |
| 13:55.18 | X-Fade | Why not? |
| 13:55.37 | livingtm | No way of knowing either way |
| 13:56.34 | X-Fade | Well, no but that is with all packages you download from the web.. |
| 13:58.17 | livingtm | I just have trouble following whats official, whats not, etc |
| 13:58.51 | livingtm | No reason i cant flash back to 2006 if 2007 turns out to be less stable than i would like? |
| 13:59.11 | X-Fade | You can always flash an older image. No problem. |
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| 14:03.48 | gleitz | hi all |
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| 14:04.03 | gleitz | from the command line, how can i renew my ip address? ifup wlan0 doesn't seem to work |
| 14:07.31 | ScoobyCE | ipconfig /renew? :P |
| 14:07.53 | gleitz | heh, nice try |
| 14:08.07 | gleitz | dhcpcd isn't installed either, so the releasing is weird |
| 14:08.53 | ScoobyCE | try ifdown then ifup |
| 14:09.20 | ScoobyCE | or rcnetwork restart |
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| 14:09.55 | gleitz | rcnetwork not found, ifdown and ifup are there |
| 14:10.15 | gleitz | but the decive wlan0 is an "unkown interface" |
| 14:10.39 | gleitz | even though ifconfig says its there |
| 14:10.49 | gleitz | :/ |
| 14:11.19 | ScoobyCE | how about ifconfig wlan0 up/down |
| 14:11.22 | geaaru_ | hi at all, any news for hildon-input-method for sardine? anyone use keyboard corretly with sardine? |
| 14:12.02 | gleitz | that did it |
| 14:12.07 | ScoobyCE | k :) |
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| 14:12.15 | gleitz | it got the same ip but i bet if i was on the move it would renew |
| 14:12.22 | ScoobyCE | most likely |
| 14:12.22 | gleitz | thx scooby |
| 14:12.26 | ScoobyCE | np |
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| 14:26.48 | livingtm | X-Fade, Do you know if i can upgrade my scratchbox install to bora? |
| 14:27.25 | sebbarre | hi guys. I'm trying to understand D-BUS on the N800, and in particular, trying to introspect the D-BUS methods the web browser (com.nokia.osso_browser) can support. Without success so far... |
| 14:28.32 | sebbarre | any D-Bus gurus in the house :) ? |
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| 14:29.12 | hap | aynone knows how to put e17 on n800 ? |
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| 14:36.33 | Blacksitox | hi |
| 14:36.58 | gwak | sebbaree:if you have not already, you can try snooping with dbus-monitor |
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| 14:38.29 | sebbarre | I tried already, snooping --system, but without much result |
| 14:38.46 | sebbarre | documentation is kinda sparse |
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| 14:44.32 | VimSi | does somebody know, if theres a webmail-notifier for the 770 like the is for the n800? :) |
| 14:45.16 | sebbarre | gawk: something like that should have worked I thought: dbus-send --session --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.osso_browser /com/nokia/osso_browser org.freedesktop.DBus.Introspectable.Introspect |
| 14:46.00 | gwak | i think the Interospecting stuff is still a work in progress, but in not 100% sure about that |
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| 14:49.23 | sebbarre | now is the osso_browser DBUS API documented somewhere? as an XML file? hidden in the binary code? because I know you can certainly open a URL using dbus-send, but I'm trying something else, discovering the URL of the currently opened web windows... |
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| 14:50.18 | gwak | sebbarre:i think you need access to the source |
| 14:50.42 | sebbarre | gwak: which, for opera, is pretty much a no-no. |
| 14:52.00 | gwak | sebbare: does the Introspect call return anything? |
| 14:52.35 | sebbarre | yeah: method return sender=:1.81 -> dest=:1.80 |
| 14:52.35 | sebbarre | string "<!DOCTYPE node PUBLIC "-//freedesktop//DTD D-BUS Object Introspection 1 |
| 14:52.35 | sebbarre | .0//EN" |
| 14:52.35 | sebbarre | "http://www.freedesktop.org/standards/dbus/1.0/introspect.dtd"> |
| 14:52.35 | sebbarre | <node> |
| 14:52.36 | sebbarre | </node> |
| 14:52.38 | sebbarre | " |
| 14:53.20 | sebbarre | but it's not clean I'm talking to the right port/bus. I tried introspecting a lot more programs, and they always return that "empty" result. |
| 14:53.29 | mlpug- | I have xterm in my n800. Can i have (in my n800 or elsewhere) man pages of that very same shell/busybox so that "see also" entries refer to other commands/man pages that are supported in this same n800. |
| 14:53.31 | sebbarre | clean = clear. |
| 14:57.46 | sebbarre | easier one: how can I start a shell script from an icon on the desktop? |
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| 15:41.15 | livingtm | how do I upgrade scratchbox environment for maemo 2.2 to maemo 3.1? |
| 15:41.32 | livingtm | the 3.1 install script says it cant upgrade |
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| 15:42.46 | Knowledge | Maemo 3.1? |
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| 15:43.11 | livingtm | bora |
| 15:43.15 | Knowledge | wait...what version is my n800 supposed to be at right now? |
| 15:43.17 | Knowledge | oh I see.. |
| 15:43.33 | livingtm | 3.0 i guess |
| 15:44.01 | livingtm | I was developing for my n770 on OS2006 and i'd like to move to os2007 |
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| 15:45.19 | livingtm | Do i just need to install the new rootstrap? |
| 15:46.14 | livingtm | Maybe then just setup new 3.0 targets.... |
| 15:47.03 | livingtm | just thinking outloud, if im way off someone please speak up :-) |
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| 15:54.17 | livingtm | The installation instructions for bora dont tell me how to get from a 2.2 to bora. they only describe a clean install |
| 15:54.33 | livingtm | the install scripts fail |
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| 16:07.00 | konttori | Is there some interface in youtube where you can access the h264 version of the content? |
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| 16:07.59 | gla55 | afaik no. |
| 16:08.23 | gla55 | stage6 is better in that aspect.. as you can get high quality .divx |
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| 16:18.31 | konttori | Hey, any chance of adding this functionality to mplayer: http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Video/MPlayer-Youtube-Video-Streamer-24597.shtml |
| 16:19.14 | konttori | basically adds support to just copy paste the youtube web page to mplayer and it'll take out the flash video and play that (and stream it, not dl to disk) |
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| 16:19.47 | konttori | would kind of make youtube videos watchable. |
| 16:21.01 | konttori | ahh... nice. it's just a python script |
| 16:22.39 | gla55 | looks nice |
| 16:23.38 | konttori | it should be very nice and relatively easy to make a larger app that would allow you to login to your youtube account and watch all your bookmarked clips. |
| 16:23.58 | konttori | as well as watch youtube channels. |
| 16:24.29 | konttori | Now, if I had any free time in my hands, I would do it immediately. |
| 16:25.38 | konttori | Because with that interface, N800 would be seriously powerfull video viewer. |
| 16:26.12 | konttori | I would make it with the ukmp UI probably myself, but that's just my preference. Would probably make sense to quickly make it a gtk app. |
| 16:26.57 | konttori | anyone interested? That script is GPL and consists of one file. Eternal fame and glory awaits the maker. |
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| 16:28.00 | melmoth | i dont even have a youtube login :) |
| 16:28.03 | konttori | would be also very cool to make that happen before iphone is out |
| 16:28.30 | konttori | well, you could have a paste youtube url field as the first step. |
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| 16:33.44 | konttori | ahh... nice. it seems to work. |
| 16:33.54 | konttori | although, it does require the video to be downloaded |
| 16:34.05 | unique311 | pose... is looking good... |
| 16:34.15 | konttori | so, it's not instantaneous. |
| 16:34.21 | konttori | really? great! |
| 16:34.32 | konttori | were you able to flip the screen already= |
| 16:35.05 | unique311 | i figured out how to how to move things arounds... |
| 16:35.13 | unique311 | worked on a nice skin... |
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| 16:35.18 | unique311 | mapping the buttons now.. |
| 16:35.18 | konttori | great! |
| 16:35.23 | konttori | good! |
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| 16:35.50 | unique311 | http://www.divshare.com/download/1015016-b13 |
| 16:36.14 | unique311 | heres the skin i'm going to use.. |
| 16:36.28 | unique311 | mapping the buttons might take a couple of days.. |
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| 16:36.53 | unique311 | no flipping screen required... |
| 16:37.00 | unique311 | just move the screen... |
| 16:37.11 | unique311 | draw a new skin |
| 16:37.18 | unique311 | and place buttons elsewhere... |
| 16:37.22 | unique311 | and then map them.. |
| 16:37.38 | unique311 | the jpg should give you an idea |
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| 16:41.31 | konttori | why did you tar that jpg? |
| 16:41.56 | unique311 | so it wouldn't add a dot in front... |
| 16:41.59 | unique311 | long story.. |
| 16:42.29 | unique311 | divshare adds a . to files uploaded that are not compress |
| 16:42.38 | konttori | looks nice anyway |
| 16:42.46 | unique311 | but not sure if it does it with pics... |
| 16:42.47 | unique311 | lol |
| 16:44.00 | unique311 | still don't know how the coordinates work..just trying numbers...and see if it lines up... |
| 16:46.05 | konttori | I'll make a youtube player tonight. About time someone did it. |
| 16:46.30 | konttori | Can't stand the fact that such a powerfull device isn't web 2.0 compatible in any real way. |
| 16:46.35 | unique311 | whats maemotube? |
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| 16:53.55 | ebowden | Anyone available to answer a newbie question about compiling for the Nokia N770? |
| 16:56.06 | ebowden | Allo? |
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| 17:00.08 | Juhaz | maybe someone is, maybe not, try asking the question |
| 17:00.17 | ebowden | Okay |
| 17:02.42 | ebowden | I tried compiling the Maemopad app for the Nokia N770 (I'm using debian, Maemo SDK 2.2) under my ARM target as specified by the tutorial. It runs just fine on the host (i.e., through the Xserver), but whenever I try to install the deb package onto the N770 (which has the latest 2006 OS) it says"unable to install, incompatible package" |
| 17:02.49 | ebowden | I'm trying to install from the SD Card. |
| 17:03.24 | ebowden | As an aside, I noticed that the deb package that gets built is for the arm architecture, and not the armel arch. Would that have anything to do with it? |
| 17:06.23 | etrunko | ebowden: seems you've messed something while creating your target |
| 17:06.38 | ebowden | Just some additional info: my current scratchbox target is setup using cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm, devkits cputransp, debian-sarge, perl doctools, w/ cpu-transp set to qemu-arm-0.8.2-sb2 |
| 17:06.44 | etrunko | have you chosen the cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm compiler? |
| 17:06.46 | ebowden | Possible |
| 17:06.52 | ebowden | yup |
| 17:06.54 | etrunko | yup |
| 17:07.19 | ebowden | And I did unpack the armel rootstrap |
| 17:07.24 | suihkulokki | ebowden: do NOT select debian-sarge devkit for maemo development |
| 17:07.24 | ebowden | (2.2) |
| 17:07.36 | ebowden | Okay, which one do I choose? |
| 17:07.37 | etrunko | muust be the qemu |
| 17:07.47 | ebowden | I didn't see a qemu devkit |
| 17:07.55 | ebowden | Let me run through the sb-menu again really quick |
| 17:08.07 | suihkulokki | no, qemu qemu-arm-0.8.2-sb2 is okay |
| 17:08.29 | suihkulokki | sarge version on dpkg does not have armel support - select only the regular debian devkit |
| 17:09.28 | ebowden | Okay, the debian devkit I downloaded (using apt) gave me debian-sarge debian-etch and debian-lenny (which requires debian-etch). I don't see a plain debian |
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| 17:10.44 | ebowden | (The package name was scratchbox-devkit-debian) |
| 17:11.21 | ebowden | Should I use etch instead? |
| 17:12.51 | ebowden | Yup that did it |
| 17:13.04 | ebowden | I need to select debian-etch as the devkit |
| 17:13.15 | ebowden | to get it to compile as armel |
| 17:13.50 | ebowden | Now to see if it runs on the N770 |
| 17:16.46 | ebowden | Woo hoo, it works! Thanks suihkulokki and etrunko, I appreciate the help. |
| 17:16.52 | etrunko | ebowden: np |
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| 18:04.01 | trevarthan | does anyone know if there is a gst software (read: *not* dsp) mp3 decoder available? I need something similar to ivorbisdec but for mp3s. |
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| 18:09.38 | trevarthan | I guess I need gst-inspect on my n800.... |
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| 18:13.26 | dev | trevarthan: libmad or the one from Fluendo |
| 18:14.13 | dev | trevarthan: probably no ports for Maemo yet |
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| 18:25.24 | trevarthan | dev: I've got gst-inspect now... I wonder if I could use ffmpeg for mp3 decoding? |
| 18:26.22 | dev | ah, right, that one I forgot |
| 18:28.17 | dev | trevarthan: on what OS? |
| 18:29.19 | trevarthan | 2007 |
| 18:30.35 | dev | ok, on Maemo, I don't know if there is any other gst plugin for mp3 decoding than the dsp one |
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| 18:34.44 | trevarthan | mmm... guess I'll have to cross compile one then |
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| 18:39.05 | trevarthan | dev: looks like there isn't an alsasink either... ugh. |
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| 18:45.58 | trevarthan | I've got all of this working with mplayer, so maybe I should just use mplayer.... |
| 18:46.10 | trevarthan | write a python frontend for mplayer, I mean. |
| 18:47.47 | thoughtfix | Hmm |
| 18:47.55 | thoughtfix | has anyone considered "rolling their own firmware?" |
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| 18:48.12 | trevarthan | I think a lot of people have. |
| 18:48.30 | thoughtfix | I think it'd help 770 owners a great deal. |
| 18:48.32 | trevarthan | pancake, in particular, comes to mind. He wrote 0xFFFF. |
| 18:48.36 | X-Fade | thoughtfix: That wouldn't be of much use.. As it would not be fully functional.. |
| 18:49.17 | X-Fade | You aren't allowed to redistribute a lot of programs in the image. |
| 18:50.19 | thoughtfix | yHmm |
| 18:50.52 | thoughtfix | Good point. :( |
| 18:50.52 | thoughtfix | I remember when the Sharp Zaurus fans got together and made OpenZaurus |
| 18:51.18 | X-Fade | I have been thinking about a script that extracts things from the customer image and construct a new one with additional components.. |
| 18:51.28 | X-Fade | That should be allowed.. |
| 18:51.29 | thoughtfix | That's what OpenZaurus did |
| 18:51.41 | gla55 | that would sound nice |
| 18:51.49 | zyxulnaga | thoughtfix: I have |
| 18:51.53 | thoughtfix | Let the customer pull their packages, save them locally, then reinstall |
| 18:52.23 | X-Fade | thoughtfix: Or even better. Create a repository and 'apt-get dist-upgrade' :) |
| 18:52.30 | zyxulnaga | I tried to create my own rootfs but it didnt work |
| 18:52.43 | trevarthan | Is hildon open source? |
| 18:52.43 | zyxulnaga | the device didn't boot so I didn't bother debugging it further |
| 18:52.53 | X-Fade | trevarthan: Hildon is open.. |
| 18:52.58 | trevarthan | That's the biggest issue, IMO. Hildon. |
| 18:53.20 | trevarthan | I don't even really use any of the nokia apps, other than the video dsp decoder. |
| 18:53.22 | X-Fade | trevarthan: No.. It is drivers and all non-gpl stuff. |
| 18:53.41 | zyxulnaga | I just tried doing a tar of the root and then restoring it through jffs |
| 18:53.47 | zyxulnaga | flash |
| 18:53.49 | zyxulnaga | no success |
| 18:54.02 | X-Fade | zyxulnaga: Did that many times.. That is easy.. |
| 18:54.13 | X-Fade | Just follow the boot from mmc tutorials.. |
| 18:54.26 | zyxulnaga | mmc tutorials? |
| 18:54.52 | zyxulnaga | I mean restoring the whole system |
| 18:54.57 | zyxulnaga | with your own applications and stuff |
| 18:55.00 | X-Fade | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Boot_From_MMC_card |
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| 18:56.05 | X-Fade | Yeah, that clones the root fs.. And then you can trick that one out. Boot back to your original OS and tar your tricked OS? |
| 18:56.05 | zyxulnaga | don't you need to have an mmc card for that? |
| 18:56.27 | X-Fade | zyxulnaga: Yeah, so? They are cheaper than a burger ;) |
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| 18:56.31 | X-Fade | Well almost.. |
| 18:56.42 | zyxulnaga | thats not the problem here |
| 18:56.52 | zyxulnaga | I was looking for a clean solution to do it through the flasher |
| 18:57.05 | thoughtfix | Depends on the burger |
| 18:57.09 | zyxulnaga | like make a tar of the root, then convert it into jffs and flash it |
| 18:57.22 | gla55 | some cards are cheaper than couple of burgers i could think of at tampere |
| 18:57.24 | X-Fade | Use mtd-tools on the device? And just copy the partition of your rootfs? |
| 18:57.45 | thoughtfix | Speaking of, I have a spare 512M RS-MMC. My 770 doesn't get much use anymore except for Carman |
| 18:57.54 | X-Fade | You can even use dd for that :) |
| 18:58.28 | zyxulnaga | have you done it? |
| 18:58.52 | X-Fade | I backed it up using dd, yes.. |
| 18:59.01 | zyxulnaga | and you restored it with the flasher? |
| 18:59.06 | zyxulnaga | the entire system? |
| 18:59.18 | X-Fade | No, only the rootfs.. |
| 18:59.56 | zyxulnaga | what device did you 'dd' ? |
| 19:00.14 | X-Fade | By booting from mmc, nothing on your internal flash is locked.. |
| 19:00.59 | zyxulnaga | I am trying to understand what you did to backup your rootfs and restore it with the flasher |
| 19:01.28 | X-Fade | zyxulnaga: Check 'mount.. |
| 19:01.34 | zyxulnaga | the rootfs is usually stored in /dev/mtdblock* |
| 19:01.38 | zyxulnaga | I have |
| 19:01.48 | X-Fade | /dev/mtdblock4 is rootfs. |
| 19:01.50 | zyxulnaga | what you are saying now I have already tried and didn't work |
| 19:01.53 | zyxulnaga | correct |
| 19:02.16 | zyxulnaga | you are saying that if I dd my /dev/mtdblock4 and then use the flasher to restore it it will work? |
| 19:03.33 | X-Fade | No, that is a mtd device.. Not a jffs image.. |
| 19:03.46 | thoughtfix | Hmm. |
| 19:03.50 | zyxulnaga | so how do I restore it then? |
| 19:03.57 | thoughtfix | Time for me to build a Ubuntu VM and scratchbox again. |
| 19:04.06 | thoughtfix | Poke around in the IT filesystem |
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| 19:05.03 | keesj | X-Fade apt-get pimp-my-dist |
| 19:05.49 | thoughtfix | haha |
| 19:06.04 | zyxulnaga | what he is saying doesn't make any sense |
| 19:06.12 | thoughtfix | On a side note - anyone hiring? I've reached the end of my career path at this company |
| 19:06.15 | zyxulnaga | there is no official document describing how to do it either |
| 19:06.44 | keesj | thoughtfix: what country are you in? |
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| 19:08.01 | thoughtfix | Phoenix, AZ, USA |
| 19:08.05 | zyxulnaga | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ModifyingRootImage this is the only one but its out of date |
| 19:08.27 | trevarthan | Does anyone know where I might find code for the alsasink and some sort of mp3 decoder for gstreamer? I need to compile it in my ARMEL SDK. |
| 19:10.29 | Daniellion | Hmm long as were talking backup and restore. Are you talking about dual booting different os versions? |
| 19:10.49 | Daniellion | id be happy with a 770 equivalent of a ghost image of the internal memory |
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| 19:15.08 | thoughtfix | Hmm |
| 19:15.20 | thoughtfix | I should apply for a job at Nokia to just keep the Wiki up to date |
| 19:15.26 | thoughtfix | I could do that from home |
| 19:15.57 | thoughtfix | "Here, Dan. Clarify this." |
| 19:16.10 | gla55 | nokia doesn't hire wiki updaters.. just gives them a free device from time to time.. |
| 19:16.44 | gla55 | (forum nokia developer forums / wiki works that way.. they give some people champion status and throw a free device) |
| 19:16.50 | thoughtfix | yeah - but I am looking to ditch my current day job |
| 19:17.06 | thoughtfix | And need income :( Ads on the blog are maybe $3/day on a good day |
| 19:17.08 | gla55 | yeah but you wouldn't do that with a device a year |
| 19:17.38 | thoughtfix | Give me enough N95's and an eBay account and I could support myself ;) |
| 19:18.33 | gla55 | maybe you should move to some 3rd world country where three bucks a day would do it |
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| 19:19.26 | thoughtfix | Maybe, but the broadband would be awful |
| 19:21.10 | gla55 | yeah well but you might be able to score a free olpc |
| 19:21.28 | gla55 | those starving children don't have that much strenght so mugging them is easy |
| 19:21.30 | konttori | Maybe you should contact texrat. he works in texas. Didn't you live there as well? |
| 19:21.43 | konttori | he works (at least says so) at nokia |
| 19:22.19 | thoughtfix | Nope - Arizona |
| 19:22.26 | thoughtfix | And lately he's in Finland, as I understand |
| 19:22.42 | konttori | ahh... all right. just wondering. |
| 19:23.07 | konttori | well, as another idea, how about submitting your reviews to newspapers? |
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| 19:23.23 | thoughtfix | That's a good idea except my target audience is so small |
| 19:23.55 | konttori | Make a good allaround review of N800 with the major software reviewed and try contacting newspapers to see if they would be interested. |
| 19:24.09 | thoughtfix | I sent a treatment for an article to Linux Journal - no word yet |
| 19:25.34 | konttori | Try submitting to http://tuxmagazine.com/ |
| 19:25.43 | thoughtfix | Will do - thanks |
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| 19:25.58 | konttori | They reviewed 770 back in the day and might be interested in n800 review |
| 19:26.14 | thoughtfix | My treatment for an article for LJ was about the Internet Tablets - then and now. |
| 19:26.21 | thoughtfix | Since it's been two years since the announcement of the 770 |
| 19:26.28 | konttori | You could also talk to them about making a column of reviewing one maemo software per magazine. |
| 19:26.35 | konttori | I think they might be interested |
| 19:26.56 | konttori | You probably won't make much dosh, but you would get a name that way. |
| 19:27.31 | konttori | and maybe you could then talk about similiar idea to some other mags as well |
| 19:28.15 | thoughtfix | Heh. Then publish my boring autobiography about how a gadget geek turns journalist. |
| 19:28.21 | Blacksitox | wow python on n800 rulz! |
| 19:28.39 | keesj | Just tell me what I am supposed to do with the devices , it's nice if it runs linux , and I spend a great time having programming fun with it, but I don't know what to do with it :p |
| 19:29.13 | thoughtfix | keesj: Get a Bluetooth DUN internet plan on your phone. |
| 19:29.18 | thoughtfix | Take it everywhere. |
| 19:29.57 | gla55 | a take it everywhere device doesn't have much point if you don't go anywhere |
| 19:30.00 | gla55 | :) |
| 19:30.12 | thoughtfix | oh |
| 19:30.12 | gla55 | i don't use the 770 i got a lot.. only on trips |
| 19:30.13 | thoughtfix | well |
| 19:30.20 | thoughtfix | Take it into bed with you and watch porn? |
| 19:30.23 | keesj | I have a meningless live , home-(bicicle)-work-(bicicle)-home |
| 19:31.00 | keesj | thoughtfix: yes that was the best thing I have done with the 770 , i played majhon with my girlfriend in bed |
| 19:31.07 | gla55 | thoughtfix: i prefer to watch my pron elsewhere |
| 19:31.10 | konttori | keesj: listen to music through it. |
| 19:31.16 | gla55 | thoughtfix: anyways,one of the home uses is remote use for winamp |
| 19:31.20 | konttori | use it to read books. |
| 19:31.24 | konttori | It's splendid for that. |
| 19:31.25 | thoughtfix | keesj: Yeah - your girlfriend is great in bed. At mahjong ;) |
| 19:31.28 | gla55 | i also read books with it |
| 19:31.29 | konttori | much better than kosher books |
| 19:31.49 | thoughtfix | I love using the Internet Tablets with Orb, by the way. That's a good thing to do with it, keesj |
| 19:33.24 | melmoth | there a nice project in python that fetch books from the gutember project in a gui.... but the gui toolkit is wx :( |
| 19:33.30 | keesj | yes, the real problem is that we don't have wifi at work, |
| 19:33.44 | thoughtfix | Bluetooth DUN :D |
| 19:33.50 | keesj | and I have not found the time to get usb-network of bt working |
| 19:34.12 | gla55 | unlimited 3g and you'll stop caring about wifi |
| 19:34.43 | keesj | i have 25 MB gprs traffic |
| 19:36.07 | thoughtfix | Mental note: Verizon offered to replace my phone so I can have BT DUN again. Must call them |
| 19:37.13 | trevarthan | konttori: I've got a problem. maemo doesn't ship with a gst alsasink or a gst mp3 decoder (other than the dsp variant). I need something like that to do A2DP in ukmp. I could probably build the plugins, but I think the "ugly" gst plugins have nasty licenses or patent problems. I have a working version of mplayer that will do software mp3 decoding and alsa, so I'm considering turning ukmp into an mplayer frontend. What do you think abou |
| 19:38.01 | gla55 | got cut at "do you think abou" |
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| 19:39.12 | konttori | Well, I don't feel that's such a good idea. At least not yet. I have considered mplayer as well, but I feel that the implications will not be small once the change is made to use mplayer. |
| 19:39.24 | thoughtfix | ... so ... anyone want a sneak insight into an upcoming article? |
| 19:39.48 | konttori | Also, I still don't recommend trying to get a2dp working as it's in maemo roadmap and nokia will probably do it themselves pretty soon. |
| 19:41.29 | gwak_ | thoughtfix:sure, your blog convinced me to be a n800 ;-] |
| 19:41.41 | gwak_ | urg buy |
| 19:41.41 | thoughtfix | Yay. ONE OF US |
| 19:42.04 | Juhaz | they're taking over?! |
| 19:43.00 | thoughtfix | Upcoming article is called 2NIT - when the ProClip car mounts come out for the N800, I'm going to hack my car to run Carman on the 770 and either Canola or Navicore on the N800. I wish I had access to a third N800 to do all three at once. |
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| 19:44.51 | Daniellion | after many tries .. i got my vx6700 wm5 pda phone to link and use the evdo connection |
| 19:45.16 | Daniellion | i get about 250k over bluetooth.. is there a way to do a usb to usb link for the net connection you guys think>? |
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| 19:45.28 | gwak_ | thoughtfix:sounds interesting |
| 19:46.13 | keesj | look it's a m[a]emo-recorder |
| 19:46.15 | guardian | evening maemo |
| 19:46.20 | thoughtfix | With a little effort, I can get my Yaris as cool as the Nokia Concept Car at CES |
| 19:47.16 | keesj | Daniellion: nokia->nokia or nokia->pc? |
| 19:48.35 | keesj | there is this document http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_usb_networking_bora.html |
| 19:49.01 | gwak_ | in the last issue of Make there was a nice article about a bike based pda (wince) +gps setup , got me thinking about the nokia nav kit |
| 19:50.34 | trevarthan | konttori: Yeah, I'm just not sure whether it's legal for me to ditribute gst-plugins-ugly... does anyone know about that? |
| 19:50.58 | trevarthan | ditribute = distribute |
| 19:51.16 | konttori | why would it not be? |
| 19:51.56 | dev | trevarthan: why shouldn't you? |
| 19:52.08 | trevarthan | http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/releases/gst-plugins-ugly/0.10.6.html |
| 19:52.15 | Daniellion | keesj from nokia to my cell that has a usb in as a modem connection |
| 19:52.25 | Daniellion | i run wmodem on the pocketpc as a usb dialup |
| 19:52.28 | trevarthan | They're really unclear as to what kinds of patent issues and such these things have.... |
| 19:52.31 | Daniellion | Its faster then BT |
| 19:52.55 | Daniellion | i gues i would need the nokia to dialup via that port rather then via bt |
| 19:53.01 | trevarthan | "These plug-ins might have a patent noose around their neck, or a lock-up license, or any other problem that makes you think twice about shipping them." |
| 19:54.04 | ||cw | gwak_: I mounted a cell phone holder to my bike and stick my 2125 in it with a bt gps in my camelback. affixing the 770 to it would be nice, but the options for a secure holder are slim |
| 19:54.14 | keesj | Daniellion I am also trying to get usb-host working here (as we speak) |
| 19:54.29 | ||cw | bike being bicycle |
| 19:54.51 | gwak_ | cw: could you adapt a car solution , or are they to bulky ? |
| 19:55.26 | unique311 | http://www.divshare.com/download/1017249-68f |
| 19:55.28 | unique311 | m130 |
| 19:55.47 | unique311 | http://www.divshare.com/download/1015719-404 |
| 19:55.48 | ||cw | gwak_: I've yet to see one that would hold it secure enough |
| 19:55.50 | unique311 | m505 |
| 19:57.04 | Daniellion | keesj cool let me know if you get it working |
| 19:57.41 | Daniellion | im assuming the 770 needs to know to accept usb net links and then use the dialing setup to actualy dial the cell's net connection |
| 19:58.25 | keesj | I have seen it working a little . I get some interrupts and I have seen power on the bus (only 3.x volt). I have no recieved an adapter so I hope I can get this working without hardware hacks |
| 19:58.59 | keesj | for the 770 it will not be eassy ( read thoughtfix 's blog :) |
| 19:59.58 | Daniellion | aww |
| 20:00.19 | Daniellion | id love to get a mini to mini usb and just activate wmodem on my phone and dial from the 770 it would be nice |
| 20:00.36 | Daniellion | I assume we would have to tell it not to try and mount the phones file system first though eh? |
| 20:00.40 | ||cw | Daniellion: you need to inject power as well |
| 20:00.58 | Daniellion | True but someone figured that out with the host mode |
| 20:01.11 | Daniellion | i saw a modified usb hub/cable |
| 20:01.30 | thoughtfix | Wonder where you saw that. |
| 20:01.57 | Daniellion | Hmm so if im happy with the software loaded and i finally got the BT networking going.. is there a way to back this whole thing up programs settings and all? like a disk image of the internal memory? |
| 20:02.04 | keesj | btw I have a cable here that should just work. |
| 20:02.47 | ||cw | wonder if I can find a broken 770 and get the cover of fit as a spare |
| 20:02.58 | keesj | I have a sweex usb hub and my usb harddisk came with a "trypod" cable le me make a photo :0 |
| 20:03.58 | keesj | hmm no sorry you will need the adapter :( |
| 20:05.26 | trevarthan | even if I do compile the gst ugly plugins... I think I might have to rebuild gstreamer base with alsa support... |
| 20:06.01 | gwak_ | gotta love google; http://google.com/corporate/solarpanels/home |
| 20:07.17 | Daniellion | if we can figure that out. we can backup the whole internal memory as a snapshot yes? |
| 20:07.56 | thoughtfix | Daniellion: Scratchbox! |
| 20:08.17 | thoughtfix | Daniellion: http://tabletblog.com/2007/01/so-you-want-to-be-nokia-internet-tablet.html |
| 20:08.57 | ||cw | hm, this is interesting, even has a screw hole in the back that could be used for a mount. not sure well it would stay in without the lid on though |
| 20:09.42 | ||cw | http://cgi.ebay.com/Metal-hardcase-hard-case-for-Nokia-770-Silver_W0QQitemZ150131580765QQihZ005QQcategoryZ15036QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem |
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| 20:13.45 | thoughtfix | That's the Brando case. I reviewed it some time ago. People in the Nokia pavillion at CES were actually jealous of it :D |
| 20:14.04 | keesj | Daniellion: you need something like this http://www.keesj.dds.nl/Photo-0214.jpg + the nokia + the phone + the power adapter |
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| 20:17.19 | keesj | just get an openmokeo thingy! |
| 20:22.48 | ||cw | openmokeo might be my next phone |
| 20:29.42 | thoughtfix | Really? |
| 20:29.43 | thoughtfix | Sweet! |
| 20:30.47 | maddler | hi all! :) |
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| 20:31.50 | thoughtfix | Wow ... N800s used in an eBay scam: http://item.express.ebay.com/Qty-3-Nokia-N800-Internet-Tablets-MYSTERY-AUCTION_W0QQitemZ170123565238QQihZ007QQtrZexpQQcmdZExpressItem |
| 20:34.07 | gwak_ | does ebay sanction this sort of thing? |
| 20:34.57 | thoughtfix | I am notifying them now |
| 20:36.06 | thoughtfix | Whoa... my YouTube channel reports "Videos Viewed: 293981 |
| 20:36.14 | thoughtfix | If we average 5 minutes per video ... |
| 20:36.42 | thoughtfix | I've wasted a collective 2.8 years of others' lives :D |
| 20:36.55 | gwak_ | and think about the bandwidth! |
| 20:37.23 | thoughtfix | Eh. The information is made of 100% recycled electrons and magnetic particles. I'm enviro-friendly. |
| 20:39.02 | gwak_ | i was reading this week that http has overtaken p2p in bandwidth |
| 20:39.06 | gwak_ | usage |
| 20:41.19 | trevarthan | konttori: yeah, dealing with gstreamer deps is just too much of a hassle. I'm going to use this and convert ukmp into an mplayer frontend: http://jdolan.dyndns.org/trac/browser/pymp/mplayer.py |
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| 20:42.20 | konttori | great stuff! |
| 20:43.13 | konttori | thoughtfix: do you get any revenue from youtube? |
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| 20:45.08 | dev | trevarthan: have you asked on #gstreamer of a way to create an a2dp sink? |
| 20:46.04 | dev | trevarthan: going down that alsa sink can't be the only way into that a2dp stack |
| 20:47.55 | dev | trevarthan: there has to be something on a higher level where the pcm stream can be feed into |
| 20:48.28 | thoughtfix | konttori: Nope :( |
| 20:49.05 | thoughtfix | If I got a real sponsor, I'd put placement in the YouTube videos, but snagging a real sponsor is tough. I'll start courting companies (probably wireless carriers or accessory makers) when my LLC paperwork goes through. |
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| 20:50.16 | thoughtfix | I was thinking of embedding ads in my RSS but that'd tick off too many readers ;) |
| 20:50.57 | trevarthan | dev: no, so far a2dpd is an alsa only sort of thing. |
| 20:51.20 | trevarthan | hence the name "bluetooth-alsa" |
| 20:52.23 | gwak_ | thoughtfix: do embedded really make your readers mad?, i always feel like a freeloader with google-reader |
| 20:53.17 | dev | trevarthan: will have a look tomorrow |
| 20:53.58 | thoughtfix | gwak_: Well I am not in the blogging business for money - I just like to share information and evangelize the platform. However, it's starting to cost me too much time and money to ignore. |
| 20:54.07 | thoughtfix | Hence the formation of the LLC |
| 20:54.41 | konttori | cool. Now I have a working frontend for mplayer that will download and play youtube videos just by copy pasting the web page address. |
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| 20:55.29 | konttori | and with mplayer it plays smooth as silk ... and fullscreen |
| 20:55.49 | thoughtfix | konttori: Does the Opera on the Internet Tablets have a plug-in interface like Firefox does? |
| 20:56.08 | konttori | yeah, it does. No, I cannot do it. |
| 20:56.09 | thoughtfix | if so, you'd be the hero for a LOT of Internet Tablet owners. |
| 20:56.14 | thoughtfix | hahaha |
| 20:56.32 | konttori | Well, I hope to get eternal glory even with this. |
| 20:57.05 | thoughtfix | Send me the details. I'll write a HOWTO and post a video, giving you full credit of course. |
| 20:57.08 | konttori | Well, a well developed version of this. At current stage it's just a test. But... It does work pretty sweet |
| 20:57.25 | thoughtfix | I'm patient |
| 20:57.41 | konttori | Well, I'll have to package it, make the normal install stuff and hopefully have a look at the UI a bit more as well. |
| 20:57.58 | konttori | I'd really like to make it look like my ukmp. |
| 20:58.09 | konttori | By the way, how come you haven't done a piece on ukmp? |
| 20:58.47 | thoughtfix | Um |
| 20:58.50 | thoughtfix | <-- running behind |
| 20:58.53 | thoughtfix | <-- started dating |
| 21:01.49 | thoughtfix | Plus I have been collecting a MASSIVE series of Q/A's for the planned FAQ |
| 21:02.29 | dev | trevarthan: http://bluetooth-alsa.sourceforge.net/history.html, according to this there once was an app - a2play - that got the audio from stdin and send it to the headset |
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| 21:06.19 | trevarthan | dev: yeah, but why would I bother? mplayer is available for maemo, along with alsa. Why would I go through the hassle of trying to use gst? If the nokia devs want to go that route then that's fine with me, but I don't have that kind of time. It wouldn't offer any advantages anyway. I can't modify the gst pipelines of already compiled software... |
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| 21:11.51 | konttori | thoughtfix: no worries ;) |
| 21:12.03 | konttori | Hey. Cool. Now the downloading works perfectly. |
| 21:12.16 | konttori | Just a small tuneup and I can package a sneak peak version. |
| 21:12.19 | konttori | It |
| 21:12.45 | thoughtfix | Any woman who will lend me her green laser pointer to play with AND can beat me at scrabble gets dibs over blogging. |
| 21:12.46 | konttori | It's holiday time here in Finland (midsummers fest) and I won't be around much until monday. |
| 21:13.15 | thoughtfix | Hmm ... maybe I'll get a passport and visit Finland. Wonder if I can have lunch with some of the maemo team :D |
| 21:13.29 | konttori | I'm 100% certain. |
| 21:14.06 | thoughtfix | :D |
| 21:14.22 | konttori | Nokia guys go out with the community once in while. It's not too hard to convince them. It's payable time for them to interact with the community |
| 21:14.27 | trevarthan | konttori: are you packaging up pymp? Or some other mplayer front end? |
| 21:14.46 | konttori | Nope, I'm packaging uktube now |
| 21:15.03 | thoughtfix | Well step 1 is to get the passport and step 2 is to arrange the trip. Those could take time |
| 21:15.05 | konttori | uktube will let you play youtube using mplayer. |
| 21:15.14 | konttori | frontend will suck, but it'll get the job done |
| 21:16.02 | trevarthan | basically a youtube -> divx converter? |
| 21:18.12 | trevarthan | alright, well, I'm out of here. Later folks. |
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| 21:19.15 | konttori | Nope, it's just youtube to flash video converter |
| 21:19.34 | konttori | It takes the crap out of everything. You just paste the youtube page url to it. |
| 21:19.58 | konttori | And once video is downloaded, it'll just play |
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| 21:24.40 | Milhouse2 | any nokia bugzilla support available? |
| 21:25.46 | Milhouse2 | trying to submit a comment on an existing bug and getting a database error |
| 21:25.50 | thoughtfix | You need support ON Bugzilla? |
| 21:25.54 | thoughtfix | Hi Millhouse :) |
| 21:25.59 | Milhouse2 | hi daniel :) |
| 21:26.08 | thoughtfix | What's the URL? |
| 21:26.15 | Milhouse2 | yes, was hoping someone might be lurking here as it's crapping out |
| 21:26.42 | Milhouse2 | suppose the mailing list is my only option... no point filing a new bug :) |
| 21:26.47 | thoughtfix | It's half past midnight in Helsinki, so I doubt it. |
| 21:26.58 | Milhouse2 | what? we don't have global support??! |
| 21:27.02 | konttori | howcan I force gtk window to update? |
| 21:28.00 | thoughtfix | Hmm ... I am able to browse bugzilla without a problem |
| 21:28.12 | Milhouse2 | yeah, i'm trying to submit a new comment |
| 21:28.51 | konttori | What is the equivalent of drawscreen in gtk? |
| 21:29.18 | Milhouse2 | this a screenshot of the error: http://www.nmacleod.com/images/bugzilla_db_error.jpg |
| 21:29.22 | thoughtfix | Aaah I just hit a database error too |
| 21:29.36 | thoughtfix | Yep ... looks similar |
| 21:29.55 | Milhouse2 | I'll file a report on maemo developers |
| 21:30.07 | thoughtfix | Dude that looks like an XP screen! Get up with the times! |
| 21:30.07 | thoughtfix | ;) |
| 21:31.03 | konttori | Ok, until I get that info, I can't update the download progress |
| 21:31.08 | konttori | I'll now package. |
| 21:32.00 | Milhouse2 | XP - it works surprisingly well for me :) I'll wait until SP2 of Vista before giving that a spin, and I'm more of a Linux Server fan than desktop (although if I could get Beryl to work properly I could be sold...) |
| 21:32.47 | thoughtfix | Beryl is gorgeous but unfinished. Vista is gorgeous but unfinished. My primary computer is a Core2 Duo iMac :o |
| 21:32.49 | Milhouse2 | One day I'll build a modern PC as a Linux test machine... I only have Linux Server running on some old dual Pentium 3 Supermicro server board I picked up off ebay |
| 21:33.32 | thoughtfix | I just cheat and use Parallels when I need a Linux workstation. I have a dedicated Linux server (from which I am IRCing if you see my /whois) |
| 21:35.14 | Milhouse2 | I keep talking myself out of buying a Mac :) |
| 21:35.29 | Milhouse2 | I just don't need one... I'd like one but probably wouldn't use it! |
| 21:35.40 | thoughtfix | I wish I did. I got it in Feb. after I was disappointed with Vista since they were promising a Spring Leopard release |
| 21:36.10 | thoughtfix | Then once Apple realized everyone was disappointed with Vista, they said "Hey! It's safe now! We'll push back Leopard!" |
| 21:36.43 | thoughtfix | Now six months later with new drivers, device, and tweak support, I kinda like Vista. |
| 21:37.37 | thoughtfix | gah... I can't say your name in my head without hearing "sex spurt" - but yeah - Linux is better as a server and embedded OS |
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| 21:39.00 | Milhouse2 | Before I replace my existing "main" PC (I also have a Win2K3 server and a Linux server) I'll build a new PC and dual boot Linux+Beryl and Vista |
| 21:39.08 | thoughtfix | Good thing they added the dash to that URL |
| 21:39.21 | Milhouse2 | Undecided which distro to go with, but if Ubuntu 7.10 comes bundled with Beryl I'll definately give that a spin |
| 21:39.32 | Milhouse2 | I've normally stuck with Suse for the server |
| 21:39.56 | thoughtfix | I hate dual-booting. I'd rather have one OS per machine and have the machine built to handle that OS |
| 21:40.16 | Milhouse2 | maybe i'll take a look at virtualisation |
| 21:40.18 | thoughtfix | Though slower and less flexible, I prefer virtualization over dual booting any day. |
| 21:40.40 | gla55 | yeah it's much nicer.. |
| 21:40.44 | gla55 | booting sucks |
| 21:40.48 | Milhouse2 | i think all the current cpus support virtualisation nopw |
| 21:40.53 | Milhouse2 | s/nopw/now |
| 21:41.06 | Milhouse2 | hmmm... irc bot sleeping? |
| 21:41.13 | Milhouse2 | s/nopw/now/ |
| 21:41.16 | Milhouse2 | bah |
| 21:41.22 | thoughtfix | Except for the lack of some advanced video functions, I've never been dissatisfied with XP MCE running in a Parallels VM |
| 21:41.33 | thoughtfix | I give the VM 512M RAM leaving the other 1.5G for MacOS |
| 21:42.02 | Milhouse2 | oh thats the other thing i want but don't need - Vista MCE thingy (still found nothing better than my TiVo Series 1!) |
| 21:42.19 | thoughtfix | I miss my PC games sometimes, but having a Wii compensates. Also, I rebuilt my Media Center box to be a Core2 Duo 1.8 with 2GB RAM and Vista Home Premium :D |
| 21:42.23 | Milhouse2 | Is Parallels free with OS X? |
| 21:42.30 | Milhouse2 | or is it a seperate product? |
| 21:42.36 | thoughtfix | Noooo |
| 21:42.42 | thoughtfix | It's a different company |
| 21:42.46 | thoughtfix | but they just released 3.0 |
| 21:42.48 | thoughtfix | and I upgraded |
| 21:43.01 | thoughtfix | The cool part about 3.0 is that it cross-mounts drives when booted. |
| 21:43.16 | thoughtfix | So your Windows drive appears on your Mac and vice versa as network drives |
| 21:43.32 | thoughtfix | And it supports Boot Camp partitions |
| 21:43.34 | Milhouse2 | oh i see - $80 for Parallels Desktop 3.0 |
| 21:43.52 | thoughtfix | So you can boot up your Boot Camp OS from inside Parallels |
| 21:44.11 | Milhouse2 | How is this different to VMWare? |
| 21:44.13 | thoughtfix | I don't know how it switches the drivers from native to virtualized |
| 21:44.15 | thoughtfix | but it does |
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| 21:45.07 | gla55 | is there vmware for osx? (not virtualpc..) |
| 21:45.39 | thoughtfix | I don't know |
| 21:45.40 | Milhouse2 | gla55 - don't know, would have thought there might be |
| 21:46.40 | Milhouse2 | yes, there is |
| 21:46.51 | Milhouse2 | "Run Windows XP & Vista on Your Mac with Ease |
| 21:46.59 | Milhouse2 | Now in beta, VMware Fusion enables you to run Windows XP and Vista on your Intel-based Mac without rebooting. Increase productivity, reduce hardware costs and bridge the gap between Windows and Mac OS X by taking advantage of VMware Fusion’s: |
| 21:47.10 | Milhouse2 | http://www.vmware.com/products/enterprise_desktop.html |
| 21:47.29 | Milhouse2 | then select "Mac Users" |
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| 21:47.55 | Milhouse2 | still beta so no price |
| 21:48.28 | Milhouse2 | so thats two better options than dual booting if you have an x86 PC :) |
| 21:48.54 | gla55 | i hate dual booting for the reason that i hate booting at all |
| 21:49.06 | gla55 | ..and i use windows mostly |
| 21:49.18 | gla55 | i hate to bring up all the apps after boot |
| 21:49.28 | gpd | anyone have any luck with gmediaserver and canola: or shoudl I try mediatomb / fuppes / twonky / other? |
| 21:49.32 | gla55 | and cmdline windows i use for building and shti |
| 21:49.39 | k-s[WORK] | gpd: fuppes |
| 21:49.44 | k-s[WORK] | gpd: it's the best so far |
| 21:50.02 | k-s[WORK] | (I'm the canola developer that worked with upnp) |
| 21:50.09 | gpd | k-s[WORK]: does it store the media and not have to rescan after boot: gmediaserver is not good at that |
| 21:50.26 | k-s[WORK] | twonky is good too, but it's not free... never tested mediatomb |
| 21:50.38 | gpd | ok fuppes it is then... thanks |
| 21:50.44 | k-s[WORK] | gpd: I don't remember |
| 21:50.59 | k-s[WORK] | gpd: fuppes and mediatomb seems to work with PS3 too :-) |
| 21:51.17 | gpd | it would be nice if MythTV worked with music but it seems to be broken in 0.20 |
| 21:51.56 | gpd | I don't suppose there are any plans to support mythtv video in canola... leave that to gmyth? |
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| 21:52.54 | k-s[WORK] | gpd: yes, there are plans |
| 21:53.01 | k-s[WORK] | gpd: gmyth guys are from the same office |
| 21:53.09 | gpd | sweet :D |
| 21:53.14 | k-s[WORK] | gpd: but we're working on some reorganization here |
| 21:53.28 | k-s[WORK] | you'll probably see a 2.0 before 1.0 turns final :-P |
| 21:53.39 | k-s[WORK] | scriptable with python |
| 21:53.49 | k-s[WORK] | better and enhanced UI |
| 21:54.04 | gpd | sounds super cool |
| 21:55.54 | k-s[WORK] | gpd: I'm working on UI infra, possible it will help others, like konttori |
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| 21:56.28 | konttori | interesting. what kind of nfra? |
| 21:56.48 | k-s[WORK] | konttori: remember that Evas/Edje I've told you? |
| 21:57.14 | k-s[WORK] | konttori: I've some good improvements with my Evas software_16 engine over plain 32bpp |
| 21:57.37 | k-s[WORK] | konttori: SDL/PyGame already does 16bpp... but due some optimizations I can do even better |
| 21:57.38 | k-s[WORK] | :-) |
| 21:57.41 | konttori | ahh... very nice |
| 21:57.53 | k-s[WORK] | konttori: have you played with Evas/Edje? |
| 21:58.26 | konttori | umm.. nope. |
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| 21:58.43 | k-s[WORK] | konttori: please take a look when you have time |
| 21:59.14 | k-s[WORK] | konttori: you could try to rewrite UKMP UI using it, at least the basics are really easy |
| 21:59.47 | k-s[WORK] | konttori: but python bindings just cover 32bpp engine, so it will be slower than what you'll get with my version |
| 22:00.03 | konttori | sounds nice. |
| 22:00.14 | konttori | otoh. i feel python is fast enough for my needs |
| 22:00.17 | thoughtfix | konttori: How did you make that video for Theme Maker? |
| 22:00.26 | k-s[WORK] | konttori: but you can try it on PC and ASAP I create the python bindings for 16bpp and you get my word it will be fast enough |
| 22:00.49 | konttori | I just made a slideshow with the apples keynote |
| 22:00.54 | thoughtfix | Oh neat |
| 22:00.56 | konttori | And exported it as movie |
| 22:01.39 | konttori | I'm running out of time to try it at the moment. |
| 22:01.46 | konttori | I can try some time next week though. |
| 22:01.54 | k-s[WORK] | konttori: no problem |
| 22:02.11 | k-s[WORK] | konttori: I'm finishing image scale code, then I have almost everything I need |
| 22:02.33 | k-s[WORK] | konttori: polygons and gradient will be left for later time, but I don't think you use those yourself |
| 22:02.54 | konttori | probably wouldn't no. |
| 22:03.24 | konttori | how do I make a dpkg without the debian folder? |
| 22:03.43 | k-s[WORK] | konttori: ok, so except by reflections, you can do all those things using Edje theme system! it's really cool and impressive |
| 22:04.01 | k-s[WORK] | konttori: you can create control.tar.gz, release and data.tar.gz files |
| 22:04.04 | konttori | Nice! Fast as well? |
| 22:04.14 | k-s[WORK] | them "ar" them... just check Maemo.org wiki |
| 22:04.16 | konttori | I'm using dpkg -b. |
| 22:04.24 | k-s[WORK] | konttori: yes! Really fast with my backend |
| 22:04.25 | konttori | I don't have ar on my mac |
| 22:04.41 | konttori | I only have dpkg |
| 22:04.52 | k-s[WORK] | konttori: just check http://www.enlightenment.org/ I can help you to setup stuff |
| 22:05.05 | k-s[WORK] | konttori: python bindings are in CVS, under e17/proto/python-efl/ |
| 22:05.26 | Markov__ | E works on the n800? |
| 22:05.35 | k-s[WORK] | Markov__: yes! |
| 22:05.47 | Markov__ | woah! |
| 22:05.49 | k-s[WORK] | Markov__: http://www.rasterman.com/ |
| 22:05.52 | k-s[WORK] | ;-) |
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| 22:06.11 | k-s[WORK] | Markov__: I'm working with raster to finish the 16bpp engine ASAP |
| 22:06.16 | gla55 | nice, nice |
| 22:06.27 | Markov__ | omg |
| 22:06.59 | k-s[WORK] | omg? |
| 22:07.04 | Markov__ | that's awesome |
| 22:07.14 | Markov__ | i was using it on a gentoo box at home |
| 22:07.25 | Markov__ | never guess it would work with maemo |
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| 22:07.48 | Markov__ | a happy coincidence |
| 22:08.00 | k-s[WORK] | :-) |
| 22:09.20 | k-s[WORK] | gotta go |
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