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| 00:00.53 | ryanfaerman | when you are importing in GPE calendar, what kind of file is it expecting? |
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| 01:26.42 | notostraca | my screen is locked, but most of the keys work... |
| 01:26.51 | notostraca | except for the power key. |
| 01:28.00 | notostraca | there is not language foul enough to describe my feelings toward the application update software right now. |
| 01:30.17 | notostraca | anyone had this problem with the n800 with the latest OS version? |
| 01:35.22 | notostraca | at the very least, can someone tell me how to pry the battery out of its still-running case? |
| 01:46.02 | notostraca | grrargh. |
| 01:53.23 | notostraca | zsh must have done it. |
| 01:54.16 | notostraca | bad installer! no biscuit! |
| 01:57.57 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody here who might be able to tell my why Media Converter fails at converting everything? |
| 02:11.25 | notostraca | media-convert.com , you mean? |
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| 07:14.09 | mk8 | Hi to all .... |
| 07:24.06 | dev | gpd: the search term is UPnP MediaRenderer, and the Coherence one works with MediaStreamer (https://coherence.beebits.net) |
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| 07:40.29 | Pr370r14n0 | hi!! |
| 07:40.47 | Pr370r14n0 | i need help (as mccartney say) |
| 07:40.52 | Pr370r14n0 | is there anybody? |
| 07:42.23 | kulve | ask the question and maybe somebody will answer.. |
| 07:42.36 | kulve | why do people often join and ask if they can ask a question.. |
| 07:42.54 | Pr370r14n0 | first i have to say that my english is poor |
| 07:42.56 | Pr370r14n0 | sorry |
| 07:43.04 | inz | I've seen worse |
| 07:43.11 | Pr370r14n0 | i'm tring to enable the usb host in my n800 |
| 07:43.11 | inz | ...lot worse |
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| 07:43.30 | Pr370r14n0 | and i can't |
| 07:43.40 | Pr370r14n0 | i've patched the kernel |
| 07:43.44 | Pr370r14n0 | http://www.muru.com/linux/n800-usb-host/ http://www.muru.com/linux/n800-usb-host/ |
| 07:43.48 | Pr370r14n0 | with this patches |
| 07:44.09 | Pr370r14n0 | but when i try this: |
| 07:44.11 | Pr370r14n0 | echo host > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode |
| 07:44.24 | Pr370r14n0 | n800 say me that it couldn'T create de file mode |
| 07:44.30 | Pr370r14n0 | (it alredy exists) |
| 07:44.38 | zuh | kulve: There are those too that join in awkward times, ask if anyone's there and a minute later declare the project dead and leave... |
| 07:44.46 | Pr370r14n0 | -sh: cannot create mode: Permission denied |
| 07:44.54 | kulve | zuh: yeah |
| 07:45.01 | kulve | Pr370r14n0: tried that as root? |
| 07:45.07 | Pr370r14n0 | yes |
| 07:45.20 | inz | "cannot create mode" suggests that the "file" doesn't exist |
| 07:45.32 | inz | Which seems like som'n went wrong with the kernel compilation |
| 07:45.35 | Pr370r14n0 | i know |
| 07:45.38 | Pr370r14n0 | but it exists |
| 07:45.59 | Pr370r14n0 | Nokia-N800-51:/sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc# cat mode |
| 07:45.59 | Pr370r14n0 | peripheral |
| 07:46.06 | Pr370r14n0 | look |
| 07:46.10 | Pr370r14n0 | i have made |
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| 07:46.16 | Pr370r14n0 | chmod u+w mode |
| 07:46.23 | Pr370r14n0 | echo host > mode |
| 07:46.32 | Pr370r14n0 | and n800 dont make any error |
| 07:46.46 | Pr370r14n0 | but the file mode still containing peripheral |
| 07:47.05 | kulve | does dmesg say something? |
| 07:47.06 | Pr370r14n0 | anyone have a n800 with usb host working? |
| 07:48.17 | Pr370r14n0 | kulve: nothing |
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| 07:59.50 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 08:00.43 | Pr370r14n0 | anybody? |
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| 08:03.43 | tigert | hmm |
| 08:03.55 | tigert | ./flasher --enable-usb-host-mode ? |
| 08:03.59 | tigert | does that work? |
| 08:04.10 | Pr370r14n0 | i think that this is only for 770 |
| 08:04.17 | Pr370r14n0 | but im going to try it now |
| 08:04.27 | tigert | wait, lemme see if it worked |
| 08:05.05 | tigert | "peripheral" |
| 08:05.06 | tigert | duh |
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| 08:06.58 | tigert | you are right |
| 08:07.15 | tigert | but |
| 08:07.20 | tigert | I dont have the patched kernel anyway |
| 08:07.25 | tigert | so your mileage might vary? |
| 08:07.53 | Pr370r14n0 | it still not working:( |
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| 08:09.31 | Pr370r14n0 | any new ideas? |
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| 08:13.58 | Pr370r14n0 | well |
| 08:14.06 | Pr370r14n0 | any body have dsniff working in n800? |
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| 08:20.21 | AD-N770 | good morning |
| 08:22.52 | kulve | Pr370r14n0: did you read the dev-mailing list through? There are some disccusion about the host mode. Try searching with the "musb_hdrc" keyword |
| 08:22.52 | Pr370r14n0 | ok |
| 08:22.52 | Pr370r14n0 | thanks |
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| 08:26.33 | ptisserand | hi I'm currently tryinng to rebuild python-2.5 in scratchbox but it fails with: debian/rules:13: /usr/share/quilt/quilt.make: No such file or directory |
| 08:26.43 | ptisserand | does someone konw which package is missing ? |
| 08:26.53 | jonnylamb | ptisserand: quilt |
| 08:27.43 | ptisserand | jonnylamb: do you know from which repository I can retrieve it ? apt-cache search quit doesn't find this package |
| 08:28.01 | jonnylamb | ptisserand: Any Debian mirror will have it. |
| 08:28.12 | jonnylamb | If you want to be horrible, you can download the deb separately and dpkg -i it. |
| 08:28.45 | ptisserand | jonnylamb: ah ok, but that's right to install it from my scratchbox SDK_ARMEL ? |
| 08:29.07 | kulve | it seems to be "all" arch |
| 08:29.29 | jonnylamb | It's just a set of Makefile rules, it's arch-indep. |
| 08:29.30 | kulve | so, there shouldn't be problems installing it to a different arch than it was compiled int |
| 08:29.46 | jonnylamb | I'd recommend simply adding "deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian stable main" to /etc/apt/sources.list (assuming you're in the UK). |
| 08:29.56 | kulve | why an earth I have had so much troubles compiling it, when I could just have taken it as-is from debian :/ |
| 08:30.05 | ptisserand | ok thanks a lot for your help I will try to install quilt and check if it correct my error |
| 08:30.23 | jonnylamb | kulve: it? |
| 08:30.33 | kulve | quilt |
| 08:30.58 | jonnylamb | Mmm, Debian repos \o/ |
| 08:31.02 | kulve | I've build it for n800 and some other hardwares in the past. And for nothing.. |
| 08:32.23 | jonnylamb | Does it actually need "building"?! |
| 08:32.47 | kulve | packaging at least.. |
| 08:35.19 | jonnylamb | Haha, the quilt rules file patches itself! |
| 08:35.27 | jonnylamb | "Some extra love is needed to use ourselves without builddepending on us." |
| 08:35.48 | kulve | :) |
| 08:36.35 | geaaru | hi at all, anyone use sardine version? |
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| 08:42.21 | inz | geaaru, sometimes |
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| 08:50.17 | sbaturzio | Aloha! |
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| 09:18.41 | pna | inz, do you have some issues with the hildon-input? |
| 09:18.55 | pna | i can no using anymore my n800 |
| 09:19.31 | pna | because the keyboard applet seems dead |
| 09:19.56 | pna | no rising when I hit any text-input-field |
| 09:20.18 | pna | and i got an segfault when launch hildon-input-method |
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| 09:37.04 | geaaru | inz: pna question is same of mine? have you same problems? |
| 09:37.14 | geaaru | thank in advance |
| 09:37.16 | inz | Yes, no input methods |
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| 09:37.32 | pna | ah great, we are in many ;) |
| 09:37.32 | geaaru | have you found a solution? |
| 09:38.15 | pna | geaaru, not actually |
| 09:40.49 | inz | Hmm, I'm guessing the communication between apps and the keyboard has changed |
| 09:41.07 | inz | The keyboard starts and doesn't crash, but it still doesn't pop up |
| 09:42.02 | pna | how do you start the keyb, for me does not work neither |
| 09:42.11 | inz | I don't get to see it |
| 09:42.20 | inz | But if you ssh in and check ps, it's running |
| 09:43.53 | inz | Hmm, there's hildon-input-method-sdk in the repo, lessee... |
| 09:44.09 | pna | guess is the development kit |
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| 09:49.58 | inz | yeah, no luck... |
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| 09:53.23 | geaaru | so, there isn't a solution for use hildon-input-method on sardine :'( |
| 09:55.16 | inz | Humm... |
| 09:56.07 | X-Fade | geaaru: I think it is time to file a bug. Make your problem known.. |
| 09:57.01 | X-Fade | Product:haf, component im? |
| 09:57.10 | pna | yes |
| 10:00.47 | pna | X-Fade, sendin a main to the dev ml |
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| 10:05.49 | geaaru | yes i think that is a very very critical bug :-P |
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| 11:06.38 | keesj | '' |
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| 11:29.41 | vnese | hello, i have edited to my gtk+ source somehow using the hildon desktop functions, but when i compile it, do i need sth like hildon library ? |
| 11:30.28 | vnese | and why my native gtk+ app looks so ugly when i ported it to maemo |
| 11:35.16 | keesj | vnese: did you follow the 3.0 porting howto on maemo.org ? |
| 11:35.23 | vnese | yes |
| 11:35.46 | vnese | keesj: i followed it to the section of creating desktop, service files |
| 11:35.55 | vnese | and i got stuck there |
| 11:36.42 | vnese | i triied ./configure , make, even make install, i saw my app in the navigation but it just didnt run |
| 11:37.06 | keesj | and it starts when running command line? |
| 11:37.30 | keesj | and configure --prefix=/usr ? |
| 11:37.48 | vnese | yes, keesj, i tried like : /usr/local/lib/myapp but the GUI is very ugly |
| 11:38.42 | keesj | i only created sdl and home applets , I can't help you |
| 11:39.07 | keesj | (and played with wxLua) :p |
| 11:39.34 | vnese | so, wxwindows with lua language ? |
| 11:39.55 | keesj | yes, pretty funny if you ask me |
| 11:39.55 | gwak | keesj: was it easy to compile lua ? |
| 11:39.59 | onion | vnese: are your running the app inside the desktop or standalone ? |
| 11:40.29 | keesj | gwak: lua yes very |
| 11:41.02 | vnese | onion: eh, neither, when i clicked on the navigation it didnt run, so i try it on command line |
| 11:41.42 | vnese | and i try run-standalone too but the gui is even uglier |
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| 11:43.27 | keesj | gwak: wxlua was a bit harder, and the package is still not 100% |
| 11:44.36 | keesj | I created a . install file http://cosy-home.garage.maemo.org/packages/wxlua.install |
| 11:44.53 | gwak | keejs:great, i will try that this evening |
| 11:45.53 | keesj | gwak: perhaps this post is also nice http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/keesj/2007/02/07/p49#more49 |
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| 11:46.21 | gwak | keesj:hmm it seems that this project http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?JiveArchitecture uses lua + sdl |
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| 11:50.32 | gwak | keesj: i like the look of lua tho, very pyhonish |
| 11:53.04 | keesj | I am not a huge python fan. but I do like lua. I love ruby |
| 11:53.39 | keesj | when I first looked at wxruby2 it was not mature enough (and very slow) |
| 11:53.54 | konttori | just out of curiosity: what is it about python that you don't like |
| 11:54.57 | keesj | konttori: the "self" thingy, just like when you try to write OO in perl |
| 11:55.18 | konttori | as opposed to: this in java? |
| 11:55.29 | keesj | and ruby gives me pure love |
| 11:55.48 | gwak | it does make python classes a bit wordy |
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| 11:56.32 | keesj | in java almoost everything is an object , there is a this , but you don't have to send the "self" object as first argument to each and every function |
| 11:57.05 | keesj | I guess that when you compare it to bash or perl is't much better. |
| 11:57.15 | konttori | well, that's a minor grip. And on the bonus side, you can call it s if you like (or whatever). |
| 11:57.28 | keesj | :P |
| 11:57.54 | konttori | You don't send the self argument as parameter. It's just a definition in the function itself, not in the function call. |
| 11:58.07 | gwak | for any python fan i just saw this: |
| 11:58.09 | gwak | http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=208549 |
| 11:58.10 | keesj | but it looks like python will be the choice of maemo so I need to learn to love it |
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| 11:59.02 | konttori | I really don't think any language is that superior to another. They each have their good points and bad points. In the end, after a short getting used to, they are pretty much equal. |
| 11:59.04 | suihkulokki | so just port ruby for maemo :) |
| 11:59.28 | konttori | Well, except if you really need especially just those niceties. then obviously it makes sense to pick that one. |
| 12:00.00 | keesj | suihkulokki I did it , it was to slow :( |
| 12:00.31 | gwak | i guess python has a few more years of dev then ruby |
| 12:01.51 | gwak | according to wikipedia 1995 for Ruby and 1991 for Python |
| 12:02.07 | suihkulokki | the problem that people continue to reinvent things instead of improving existing... |
| 12:02.14 | konttori | gwak: nice article. thanks |
| 12:02.45 | gla55 | one has a luxury if choosing the language is possible |
| 12:05.06 | Toni | finnish would be good programming language.. |
| 12:05.14 | keesj | suihkulokki: reinvent is a bit strong argument, there is something called evolution, we don't all want to be programming pascal for the rest of our lives |
| 12:05.59 | gwak | Toni:heh, can you read finnish? |
| 12:06.18 | keesj | gwak: can you read perl? |
| 12:06.26 | keesj | back to work.... |
| 12:06.32 | Toni | gwak: even my kids can ;) |
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| 12:06.45 | Sho_ | It's really a shame that the input method isn't toolkit-neutral |
| 12:07.07 | gwak | toni:could you take a look at this link, i am trying to update some firmware , but the site is all in finnish |
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| 12:07.18 | greedo | hello, is there xournal for the n800 ? |
| 12:07.50 | gwak | toni:nevermind - i missed the 'english' flag button |
| 12:07.56 | gwak | on the site |
| 12:08.21 | konttori | greedo: at least there was |
| 12:08.39 | konttori | http://downloads.maemo.org/product/xournal |
| 12:08.51 | Toni | gwak: if you look at the /who list on #maemo you notice that quite many here can be expected to be able to read Finnish.. |
| 12:08.53 | greedo | too bad it's for it2006 |
| 12:09.07 | konttori | might still work on itos 2007. |
| 12:09.16 | gwak | Toni:ok, then no finnish jokes here ;-] |
| 12:09.19 | greedo | yeah could try |
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| 12:13.43 | konttori | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1560 |
| 12:15.41 | greedo | i would be happy with proper filtering :D |
| 12:16.15 | konttori | what do you mean by proper filtering? |
| 12:17.12 | greedo | filtering on downloads.maemo.org doesn't work |
| 12:19.52 | konttori | True |
| 12:20.20 | fatal- | btw, where is the source for dspctl? |
| 12:20.51 | kulve | konttori: about the downloads. I added my screengrabber to downloads since there has been so many questions about how to get a screenshot.. ;) |
| 12:21.01 | konttori | great! |
| 12:21.03 | konttori | thanks! |
| 12:21.15 | konttori | That was an app with GUI, right? |
| 12:22.39 | keesj | konttori: I was about to do the same this morning. |
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| 12:23.37 | konttori | I filed a bug on the filtering: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1561 |
| 12:23.37 | kulve | konttori: not really. Just a meny entry that launches osso-screenshot-tool |
| 12:23.56 | konttori | Ahh... ok, well, if it has some delay, then that's perfectly fine. |
| 12:24.02 | kulve | i.e. start the "app" and after 5secs you have a screenshot |
| 12:24.14 | konttori | that's great, I think. |
| 12:24.23 | kulve | let me know if it isn't :) |
| 12:29.30 | konttori | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1562 |
| 12:29.44 | konttori | I believe they are the ones that should be rating the apps, not developers. |
| 12:29.56 | kulve | yep |
| 12:30.04 | konttori | And currently it's so that almost only developers (and nokia people) have accounts. |
| 12:30.25 | kulve | anonymous can cheat on those votes easily though.. |
| 12:30.44 | konttori | Yeah, well, put a staff rating as well. |
| 12:31.10 | konttori | And at the moment, I don't think it would be worse than no stars at all. |
| 12:31.42 | konttori | And at the moment, if you have one vote, you can put 5 stars to your application. And yes, you can rate your own application at the moment. |
| 12:34.00 | konttori | keesj: Very nice idea |
| 12:34.07 | konttori | I commented on it. (in support) |
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| 14:21.11 | unique311 | anybody home |
| 14:21.12 | unique311 | ??? |
| 14:21.21 | unique311 | Makefile:301: *** missing separator. Stop. |
| 14:21.28 | unique311 | i get this error... |
| 14:21.31 | unique311 | for this line |
| 14:21.44 | unique311 | (cd $$subdir && $(MAKE) $(AM_MAKEFLAGS) $$local_target) \ |
| 14:21.53 | kulve | unique311: you should have tab somewwhere (in the beginning of the line) but you have space? |
| 14:21.56 | kulve | +s |
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| 14:27.27 | unique311 | thanks kulve |
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| 14:52.23 | greedo | are you aware of open source icons / graphics in png or svg that represent country flags ? |
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| 14:59.52 | X-Fade | greedo: Check for 'flag svg' on wikipedia.. |
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| 15:02.03 | X-Fade | All those flag svgs are public domain.. |
| 15:04.11 | greedo | thx! |
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| 15:47.31 | Blacksito | hi |
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| 15:50.11 | unique311 | hmmmmm |
| 15:50.18 | unique311 | what is going on here |
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| 15:50.28 | unique311 | http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/nokia800/20070518/ |
| 15:50.32 | unique311 | n800 |
| 15:50.57 | unique311 | angstrom for the n800 |
| 15:51.23 | unique311 | do i have it right... |
| 15:51.30 | unique311 | it says nokia800 |
| 15:53.23 | b0unc3 | it's an error or it is for N800 ? |
| 15:53.39 | unique311 | i think its for the n800 |
| 15:53.58 | unique311 | theirs another folder for nokia 770 |
| 15:54.02 | unique311 | but its empty... |
| 15:54.14 | unique311 | so i think it is for the N800 |
| 15:54.37 | unique311 | http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/nokia770/ |
| 15:55.52 | unique311 | it is... |
| 15:56.12 | unique311 | this guy Koen Kooi is the mentor for the project.. |
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| 15:57.25 | unique311 | http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/ |
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| 15:57.30 | koen | those are experiments to get a 99.9% opensource image running on the n800 |
| 15:57.32 | vnese | hello, i got some probs with the app which i ported from GTK+ to maemo |
| 15:57.35 | unique311 | mid way, nokia770 and nokia800 |
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| 15:58.07 | vnese | i cant use the function gtk_wigdet_show /hide in maemo |
| 15:58.15 | unique311 | whats the percentage like on the N800 koen? |
| 15:58.32 | koen | only the umac.ko kernel-module is binary |
| 15:59.05 | konttori | Sorry to be ignorant, but what is angstrom? |
| 15:59.25 | vnese | and i cant catch motion_notify_event too |
| 15:59.36 | nelson | konttori: Koen's fork of Familiar. |
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| 15:59.58 | koen | nelson: it's not a fork |
| 16:00.18 | nelson | konttori: and if your next question is "what is Familiar?" it's the Handhelds.org distro. |
| 16:00.23 | unique311 | fork being a good thing or bad? |
| 16:00.26 | nelson | koen: no, of course ... it's a "move". |
| 16:00.27 | nelson | hehe. |
| 16:00.43 | konttori | I was actually already trying to get screenshot of it in the net |
| 16:00.44 | konttori | http://opie.handhelds.org/gallery/main.php |
| 16:00.46 | koen | nelson: it is something completely new, it isn't based on familiar |
| 16:01.03 | nelson | unique311: you can never tell with forks. Takes time. |
| 16:01.18 | nelson | Angstrom is based on Familiar. |
| 16:01.21 | unique311 | http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=20587 konttorri |
| 16:01.24 | unique311 | http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=20587 konttori |
| 16:01.25 | koen | nelson: how so? |
| 16:01.32 | koen | nelson: any evidence for that? |
| 16:01.52 | koen | last I checked familiar wasn't EABI |
| 16:02.05 | nelson | Koen: errrr, Angstrom is your fork of Familiar after we fired you as distro manager. |
| 16:02.22 | koen | angstrom exist way before that |
| 16:02.24 | konttori | unique311: so, is that basically stripped gnome desktop? |
| 16:02.52 | koen | funny how something based on openzaurus is not a fork of familiar |
| 16:03.05 | zyxulnag1 | how does one flash the image? |
| 16:03.12 | zyxulnag1 | is it done with the standard nokia utility? |
| 16:03.22 | unique311 | most distro's out there or forks...nothing wrong with forks... |
| 16:03.31 | nelson | nothing wrong with forks. |
| 16:03.39 | nelson | Sometimes they're better than the original. |
| 16:04.02 | nelson | For example, it looks like the GPE-Linuxtogo fork is better than the GPE-Handhelds original. |
| 16:04.14 | konttori | So, is angstom good for end user use? |
| 16:04.19 | unique311 | fork is such a strong word...how about a distro based on another... |
| 16:04.52 | nelson | unique311: I think people are unreasonably afraid of forks. |
| 16:05.13 | nelson | forks exist because of a problem .... nobody forks if there are no problems to be solved. |
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| 16:05.39 | nelson | doesn't mean that a fork is inevitable, just that a fork is a reasonable solution to some problems. |
| 16:05.39 | vnese | any idea pls |
| 16:05.51 | nelson | vnese: I have no idea, sorry. |
| 16:07.00 | unique311 | so familiar is all you then nelson? |
| 16:07.20 | unique311 | when can we expect that on the n800? |
| 16:08.35 | nelson | unique311: sigh. It really belongs on the n800, but I have too many demands on my time. |
| 16:09.43 | zyxulnag1 | oh it uses the same kernel as the one supplied by nokia |
| 16:10.03 | unique311 | which zyxulnag1 |
| 16:10.10 | zyxulnag1 | zImage-2.6.18-osso29-nokia800 |
| 16:10.13 | unique311 | familiar or angstrom |
| 16:10.15 | zyxulnag1 | angstorm |
| 16:10.25 | nelson | oh, yeah, you'd be crazy not to. |
| 16:10.35 | unique311 | guessing we gonna see that on n800 before familiar.. |
| 16:10.43 | zyxulnag1 | I was hoping it had a better wireless/usb driver |
| 16:10.44 | nelson | yep. |
| 16:10.46 | unique311 | same thing so its no biggie |
| 16:11.11 | nelson | no, it's not the same thing. That's why Koen forked it. |
| 16:11.21 | unique311 | when can we expect this koen? |
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| 16:12.04 | koen | nelson: again, support your slander with evidence |
| 16:12.36 | zyxulnag1 | koen: are you using the n800 drivers for wireless? |
| 16:12.47 | koen | zyxulnag1: yes |
| 16:12.59 | koen | you need the umac.ko that nokia ships with the device |
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| 17:09.08 | VimS | hello everybody |
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| 17:39.34 | TimRiker | ~logs |
| 17:39.34 | infobot | i guess logs is apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
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| 17:53.13 | trevarthan | Man, I just installed my dev version of ukmp on my win32 machine. All I did was install python 2.5 and pygame, then feed python the path to MediaCenter. graphics, audio, and sqlite worked out of the box. Python is amazing. |
| 17:57.38 | tko | I tried installing ukmp and gave up after failing with second level dependencies |
| 17:58.28 | tko | it's sad when stuff doesn't "just work" even with a centrally available repository |
| 18:00.45 | trevarthan | tko: all ukmp requires is python. you can get that from the pymaemo project. |
| 18:01.04 | trevarthan | I'm not sure what you mean by second level. |
| 18:01.35 | tko | ukmp complains about python, trying to install python complains about sdl something IIRC, I give up |
| 18:06.07 | melmoth | worked out of the box (but i already had python2.5-runtime installed that may ship nearly all that is pyhton related) |
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| 18:09.40 | trevarthan | yeah, python 2.5 should be all you need. |
| 18:09.46 | trevarthan | tko: you using an n800? |
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| 18:10.36 | tko | yep.. not having python I looked it up from the application catalog |
| 18:11.12 | trevarthan | huh. I already had python on my n800. not sure where I got it from. |
| 18:11.16 | trevarthan | canola maybe? |
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| 18:12.28 | luck^ | trevarthan, tko, download it from pymaemo.garage.maemo.org |
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| 18:14.16 | tko | so it's not in the obvious place, is it? |
| 18:14.29 | aCiDBaSe | why not? |
| 18:15.59 | melmoth | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras bora free non-free |
| 18:16.28 | melmoth | apt-get install python2.5-runtime (from memory , not 100% about spelling) and here you go. |
| 18:17.06 | luck^ | melmoth, its right |
| 18:17.10 | aCiDBaSe | melmoth: I think you need do add: deb http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free non-free too... |
| 18:17.27 | luck^ | you can use the .install files from pymaemo website |
| 18:17.46 | tko | luck^: not the one from application catalog? |
| 18:18.35 | luck^ | tko, that one will have some unmet dependencies, because it doesn't install the base repository |
| 18:18.58 | melmoth | aCiDBaSe, possible..i have this one as well :) |
| 18:19.02 | tko | nice going... |
| 18:19.21 | tko | doesn't anyone think of the users? |
| 18:19.53 | aCiDBaSe | we can't add more than one repo to the apt/Application Installer using a .install file and python requires some dependencies from Maemo SDK repository... |
| 18:20.04 | aCiDBaSe | then we need to provide 2 .install files |
| 18:20.42 | luck^ | I think the new application installer will support install files with more than 1 source repository |
| 18:20.46 | aCiDBaSe | one to add the Maemo SDK repository and other to add the Extras repository (and install python2.5-runtime) |
| 18:22.05 | trevarthan | bare minimum we shouldn't be putting things in the app installer that depend on external repos. |
| 18:24.05 | trevarthan | BTW, konttori and I have ukmp caching ID3 meta data in our dev versions right now. He wrote one that uses flat files and I wrote one that uses sqlite. I'm waiting on him to decide which we'll use in the immediate future. I think ukmp stands a good chance at being the best player for maemo a few months from now. |
| 18:24.38 | trevarthan | I'm going to be working on a2dpd support in the next few days. |
| 18:24.45 | trevarthan | should be sweet. |
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| 19:19.52 | JohnMeacham | anyone know how to mount an nfs volume on the N800? |
| 19:20.43 | kulve | yeah |
| 19:21.00 | kulve | load the modules, install real mount and mount |
| 19:21.03 | kulve | (I think |
| 19:21.04 | kulve | ) |
| 19:21.17 | zuh | Yes |
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| 19:22.17 | zuh | (no GUI ways around that I know of) |
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| 19:29.46 | tko | zuh: I think you missed step 0: write GUI for... :) |
| 19:31.22 | zuh | tko: Yeah, it should be "write/port gnomevfs-plugin and make the filemanager allow mounting" but I guess that's not going to happen ;) |
| 19:31.47 | zuh | Well, I guess the plugin would be mostly unneccessary |
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| 20:02.39 | VimS | no one know about libglade2 ? |
| 20:02.53 | VimS | :( |
| 20:03.21 | keesj | no one knows about how to setup sbox under ubuntu festy , and get the dns working! |
| 20:04.47 | mgedmin | keesj: it's a faq |
| 20:05.03 | mgedmin | find the broken nsswitch.conf and remove mdns from it |
| 20:05.17 | mgedmin | iirc it's in /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 20:05.35 | VimS | ahh scratchbox -_- |
| 20:05.42 | mgedmin | and the important line is the one that should say "hosts: files dns" but instead mentions two more (nonexistent) modules |
| 20:06.13 | VimS | seems like everybody got a n800 these days, hm? :/ |
| 20:08.05 | keesj | mgedmin: you make me feel so good! thanks |
| 20:08.42 | keesj | is was looking in /etc/ of the sbox target |
| 20:09.18 | keesj | (I am using the new sbox package from sbox.org) |
| 20:10.19 | mgedmin | yes, that's confusing |
| 20:10.38 | keesj | I guess they must have worked very hard to make it not work :P |
| 20:10.39 | mgedmin | there's resolv.conf in the target's /etc, and also in the target's /scratchbox/etc |
| 20:10.48 | mgedmin | same with nsswitch.conf |
| 20:11.15 | mgedmin | (and target's /scratchbox is the same as host's /scratchbox due to the magick of bind mounts) |
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| 21:00.05 | trevarthan | Hey, can I use the bluetooth logo in an application I'm writing? Or is that an infringement of copyright? I notice that KDE uses the logo on their kbluetoothd tray icon and we use it in our tray. What's the deal with that? |
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| 21:02.48 | melmoth | trevarthan, http://www.phptr.com/articles/article.asp?p=24244&seqNum=3&rl=1 |
| 21:03.12 | melmoth | I am not a lawyer, but it seems to be usable if a product has succeeded in this program |
| 21:03.25 | trevarthan | great.... |
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| 21:05.55 | naderman | Hey everybody, I've been trying to install Octave with the one-click install from downloads.maemo.org, but for some reason it appears to send the install file as text/plain and it only shows the text in my browser, any hints why this happens? |
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| 21:13.46 | mrsanabria | hello |
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| 21:15.30 | naderman | oh I see the thing lies on an external server so it's probably misconfigured :/ |
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| 21:22.01 | mrsanabria | Need Help! Question for n800 developers- we are creating a flash app for the n800 that will be stored locally. In our tests the flash performance of the n800 has been extremely slow using basic animations such as fades from one image to the next for small images. The frame rates for video have also been extremely disappointing. Any advice on optimizing the n800 for flash? For example we are looking at turning off all processes exce |
| 21:23.08 | gla55 | you got cut off at "off all processes exce |
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| 21:23.31 | gla55 | if you want it to look really fancy i'm not sure if flash is the way to go.. |
| 21:24.37 | naderman | ok since it appears I can't install that octave package, and as I'm new to this, is there much you need to do, if you want to compile some linux cli program on the n800? |
| 21:24.38 | mrsanabria | We're mostly visual designers so we don't have many options |
| 21:25.12 | gla55 | and i don't really see that much performance hike you could expect from turning off some bg processes that don't really eat that much cpu at all anyhow |
| 21:26.21 | konttori | i suggest putting the flash to medium quality mode |
| 21:26.36 | konttori | that should get the framerate to a dacent speed |
| 21:26.42 | konttori | decent even |
| 21:26.54 | konttori | off to sleep. good night |
| 21:26.58 | mrsanabria | we are doing that.. but video framerates have also sadly been very slow |
| 21:28.45 | mrsanabria | we are hoping that another firmware update might help a bit |
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| 21:34.07 | m-vo | naderman, the server reports the wrong mime type and the n800 browser is not man enough to overrule it |
| 21:35.16 | naderman | yeah, anyway I can make it load it anyway without copying the file to my own server and sending it with correct mime type? |
| 21:35.22 | m-vo | as workaround, save the page and open the file directly with the AM |
| 21:35.36 | naderman | ah heh kind of obvious |
| 21:35.41 | naderman | thanks ;-) |
| 21:37.09 | naderman | though I also noticed it says IT OS 2006, and I use 2007, what are the chances it'll work anyway? |
| 21:37.13 | m-vo | boo, it's not for it os 2007 |
| 21:37.37 | naderman | heh so I guess I'll have to do it myself? :/ |
| 21:38.38 | m-vo | do what? compile? |
| 21:38.50 | naderman | yeah get it running on the n800 somehow |
| 21:39.08 | naderman | as I said I have no idea what this maemo stuff works like so far, only got it three days ago ;-) |
| 21:39.26 | m-vo | i'll play a bit with th .install file... |
| 21:40.15 | m-vo | it's a bit off a mess.... the maemo stuff |
| 21:40.38 | naderman | heh |
| 21:43.10 | naderman | hmm looks like quite a bit of reading, this'll have to wait a bit, good night |
| 21:46.16 | m-vo | wait a sec... |
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| 21:48.06 | m-vo | naderman, i have it running |
| 21:48.24 | naderman | oh cool |
| 21:48.38 | naderman | so not much of a change in libs between 2006 and 2007? ^_^ |
| 21:49.10 | naderman | so what did you do? |
| 21:49.13 | m-vo | it is compatible with itos 2007, you just need to hack the .install file |
| 21:49.47 | m-vo | (things like this are part of the maemo mess) |
| 21:50.40 | m-vo | replace "repo_deb" with "repo_deb_3" |
| 21:51.18 | m-vo | (in the file) |
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| 21:51.36 | m-vo | and kick the author |
| 21:51.51 | naderman | heh thanks |
| 21:51.59 | naderman | hmm is there any default editor installed? |
| 21:52.06 | m-vo | vi |
| 21:52.12 | m-vo | :-) |
| 21:52.23 | naderman | ah vi not vim :( |
| 21:52.34 | naderman | well will do for that little change |
| 21:52.39 | m-vo | busybox vi, even |
| 21:53.25 | m-vo | (this hacker here prefers emacs of course) |
| 21:53.54 | m-vo | (is there a busybox emacs?) |
| 21:53.58 | Fatal | hahaha |
| 21:54.09 | naderman | now where is my esc button :o |
| 21:55.02 | m-vo | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:55.10 | naderman | oh I see |
| 21:55.31 | naderman | looks like that worked :) |
| 21:58.01 | naderman | great installed and running :D thanks a lot |
| 21:58.52 | m-vo | yeah, let's do some serious number crunching! |
| 21:59.30 | naderman | heh will do that tomorrow ;-) |
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| 22:00.03 | naderman | now why do I have a TI-89? |
| 22:00.11 | naderman | ;-) |
| 22:00.35 | naderman | only missing gnuplot now, but that was on the page with the same problem so will probably work as well |
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| 22:30.16 | edt | where does one find xauth? |
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| 22:44.40 | edt | anyone know were there are good themes for the n800? |
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| 23:08.32 | ryanfaerman | edt: isn't good a relative term? |
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| 23:19.14 | monteslu | hey guys, I'm trying to install things on my 770(latest IT2006), and the package list downloads but fails refreshing... any ideas? |
| 23:19.51 | monteslu | oh, and I'm trying repository.maemo.org mistral, extras/mistra, and gregale |
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| 23:20.59 | Blacksitox | re |
| 23:21.14 | monteslu | the fallback package list I have is from 6-16-07, and it just has more themes |
| 23:23.10 | monteslu | I can't even install xterm to try and figure out why things are failing |
| 23:24.33 | monteslu | is anyone successfully using the application manager with the latest IT 2006 ? |
| 23:34.42 | monteslu | ok, figured it out. I gotta put something other than the default for components. |
| 23:34.46 | monteslu | I like my 770 again |
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| 23:37.31 | fer_ | hi |
| 23:37.58 | edt | hi |
| 23:39.02 | fer_ | anyone knows how to run a program on a remote host, and display the program on the local host? |
| 23:39.40 | fer_ | I mean, I want to run a linux app on a server, and display the interface on the tablet |
| 23:40.00 | fer_ | it should work with "ssh -X ..." but it's not... |
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| 23:40.29 | gla55 | fer_: dunno, maybe take a look at http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php/Networking:Remote_X_sessions_on_the_Nokia_770 |
| 23:41.04 | fer_ | thanks. |
| 23:42.09 | edt | from what I gather we need a rebuilt x server to make it work |
| 23:52.09 | monteslu | Are the components supposed to be comma seperated or just one space, in the repository/ application catalog screen |
| 23:52.14 | monteslu | ? |
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