| 00:02.50 | Blacksitox | how install kismet on nokia n800 ? |
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| 02:17.17 | livingtm | I cant seem to do an "apt-get update" from inside scratchbox. It cant resolve repository.maemo.org. I've googled and found peopl ewith the same problem but the solutions dont seem to help |
| 02:46.36 | dragorn | put your nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 02:47.19 | dragorn | inside scratchbox |
| 02:48.02 | Blacksitox | how install kismet on nokia n800 ? |
| 02:54.35 | livingtm | dragorn, thanks i did finally get it to work |
| 02:55.22 | livingtm | Is it posible to write hildon apps for my n770 using c++? |
| 02:55.36 | livingtm | seems like this is only supported on bora (n800 only?) |
| 03:05.21 | _Shurik__ | guys, silly question... why the heck does my n800 only see 2 gig of my 8gig external SD? |
| 03:05.32 | _Shurik__ | I have all the lastest firmware and kernel |
| 03:24.03 | _Shurik__ | hm, nevermind. Looks like it only needed to be formatted |
| 03:27.56 | rwhitby | Blacksitox: apt-get install kismet (assuming that someone has actually ported kismet to the n800, and you have the repository in your /etc/apt/sources.list which contains that ported kismet .deb) |
| 03:28.06 | rwhitby | Blacksitox: or are you actually asking a different question? |
| 03:35.15 | Blacksitox | rwhitby, aptg-install kismet |
| 03:35.37 | Blacksitox | E: Couldn't find package kismet |
| 03:35.39 | Blacksitox | :\ |
| 03:36.08 | rwhitby | do you know for sure that it has been ported and exists in a repository in your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 03:37.06 | Blacksitox | wait pasted my sources.list |
| 03:41.04 | Blacksitox | rwhitby, my sources.list http://rafb.net/p/biFGrO40.html |
| 03:41.54 | Blacksitox | what's repository agree rwhitby ? |
| 03:43.20 | rwhitby | Blacksitox: you still haven't answered the question about whether you are sure that someone has ported it |
| 03:44.56 | Efrael | Blacksitox: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3776&page=3 |
| 03:45.17 | Efrael | That probably works for N800 too |
| 03:46.41 | Blacksitox | Efrael, thanks |
| 03:47.12 | Blacksitox | rwhitby, whats ? I do not understand to you, my english is bad, sorry |
| 03:47.40 | rwhitby | Blacksitox: Efrael answered the question |
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| 03:50.19 | Blacksitox | rwhitby, ok |
| 03:50.41 | Blacksitox | Distribution: mistral ? |
| 03:51.50 | Blacksitox | rwhitby, Efrael you have n800? |
| 03:52.01 | Blacksitox | n800+kismet?* |
| 03:54.26 | Efrael | I don't have kismet |
| 03:55.24 | Efrael | Mistral distribution is the 770's newest distribution I think |
| 03:55.44 | Efrael | But both 770 and N800 are maemo |
| 03:57.39 | Blacksitox | ok |
| 04:00.34 | JussiP | Anyone have a pic of the 770 in the new Fantastic Four movie? |
| 04:06.49 | dragorn | There won't be an official kismet port for maemo until I have time to figure out how to cleanly replace the wifi modules automatically (really don't want to do that on users systems), and until I have time to figure out how to tell the wifi management app to leave the interface alone while kismet is running. |
| 04:07.03 | dragorn | If you use the stock n800 firmware, expect it to not work well at all with kismet |
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| 05:35.00 | Blacksitox | adiços |
| 05:35.09 | Blacksitox | adiós* |
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| 07:42.21 | AD-N770 | good morning |
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| 09:14.58 | florian | good morning |
| 09:15.08 | SeRi | g/m |
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| 09:32.26 | sbaturzio | Aloha! |
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| 10:47.41 | SeRi | when is the new UKMP going to be released? |
| 10:47.51 | SeRi | can wait for the upnp support :) |
| 10:48.02 | SeRi | iradio would be nice too!!! |
| 10:49.20 | Veggen | upnp is sort of nice. But, is it possible to, say, specify an ip-adress in case the server is on a different LAN? |
| 10:50.12 | Veggen | I often prefer to put my servers on the wired net, and have a firewall between my wired and wireless lan. |
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| 10:57.04 | SeRi | you sure can |
| 11:11.44 | konttori | SeRi: next ukmp might come this wednesday, but the upnp support is a long way off. |
| 11:12.17 | konttori | I'm doing it as a branch project and I hope to have something up and running this summer. |
| 11:14.09 | konttori | what is iradio? |
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| 11:28.22 | SeRi | Thanks Konttori. iradio = internet radio |
| 11:28.32 | SeRi | like shoutcast :) |
| 11:28.42 | konttori | ahh.. you just mean in the general sense |
| 11:28.55 | konttori | Don't you feel that there is already a great app for those? |
| 11:29.40 | SeRi | ahhhh Canola is ok but is to bulky I want something light weight... and I want to make ukmp my only music player |
| 11:29.59 | konttori | the streamtuner. |
| 11:30.04 | konttori | Ahh.. thanks! |
| 11:30.48 | konttori | I would like to have that as a part of the player, just haven't thought of a great way to make the radio playing happen. |
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| 11:30.59 | SeRi | dont like it... reather have one with many capabelities... |
| 11:31.25 | konttori | Perhaps I could for start just access the home view music players playlist (at least I have just the radio stations there) |
| 11:31.42 | SeRi | That would be a nice start :) |
| 11:31.48 | konttori | Anyway, I'm now working on improving start-up time. |
| 11:32.02 | SeRi | first things first :) |
| 11:32.18 | konttori | So, that will be the main focus for the Wednesdays release. Nothing too special, just have things done a little better than before |
| 11:32.38 | SeRi | nice. a maintenance release |
| 11:32.46 | konttori | Just tested that reading the id tags for my music library takes 20 seconds. |
| 11:32.55 | SeRi | Good Luck and grate work! |
| 11:33.03 | konttori | Parsing the filesystem searching for music takes less than a second. |
| 11:33.13 | SeRi | nice. |
| 11:33.30 | konttori | So I'll just add caching of the id tags to a text file as the first step. Should drop the 20 secs to less than one. |
| 11:33.52 | konttori | (for subsequent starts after the first time) |
| 11:33.56 | SeRi | good idea |
| 11:35.21 | SeRi | ok Konttori I am off to sleep! You have a good day and it was nice chatting with u! peace |
| 11:35.30 | konttori | have a good night |
| 11:35.34 | konttori | nice talking to you as well |
| 11:35.36 | SeRi | same |
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| 12:28.16 | konttori | sweet. startup time for reading the id3 tags has dropped in ukmp on my library from 21 seconds to 3.4 seconds after I added the cache code |
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| 12:54.26 | tigert | cool |
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| 13:00.42 | konttori | Yeah, should be pretty nice for people who startup ukmp more than once a day and have over 200 songs on their device. |
| 13:01.11 | konttori | Still, the cover creation (reflections and stuff) takes almost 8 seconds on my device |
| 13:02.01 | konttori | I could cache the resulting images as well, but it seems that if I store them in tga (which is a safe bet format), it won't save that much time, as the disk access slows it down a bit. |
| 13:02.50 | konttori | png would probabl be perfect, but seems like there is no save image support for it in standard python image package that is bundled with python 2.4 for 770. |
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| 13:50.13 | pna | hi i've a fresh installation of the sardine distro, but got no hildon-input-method, i mean there is no more the keyboard applet plugin, when i tap on a text-input field |
| 13:50.13 | pna | is there any known problema with this? |
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| 15:35.31 | geaaru | hi at all, i installed sardine version but now i can't insert input, no keyboard on display? is a sardine revision problem or my fault? |
| 15:35.36 | geaaru | thank in advance |
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| 15:38.23 | ramatieg | Does anyone know what 'por' stands for in /proc/bootreason ? |
| 15:42.29 | kakos | Low-power maybe? |
| 15:43.00 | kakos | My guess is it stands for "Power Off Reset" or something like that |
| 15:44.45 | mgedmin | hey, the search box on maemo.org doesn't search wiki pages |
| 15:44.47 | mgedmin | or am I mistaken? |
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| 15:48.41 | Blacksitox | hi :) |
| 15:49.50 | kakos | ramatieg: 'por' just means "start-up reason was reset". Not very helpful. It looks like it is the default bootreason |
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| 18:47.36 | konttori | Interesting images of new n-gage platform: http://www.pocketpicks.co.uk/latest/index.php/2007/06/18/n-gage-platform-live-pics-hit-the-web/ |
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| 18:49.12 | gla55 | the 3d stuff in some of the new nokias looks pretty nice |
| 18:50.04 | konttori | yeah. |
| 18:50.40 | konttori | OTOH: that screenshot looks like they have an amateur team making the n-gage basic interface. |
| 18:50.51 | konttori | (just like on last n-gage) ;) |
| 18:51.02 | konttori | I hope I'm wrong about this one |
| 18:51.27 | konttori | that may well be an old image. |
| 18:51.55 | gla55 | well it's nokia. of course they have amateurs doing the bit that actually shows to the user... |
| 18:52.33 | gla55 | i find it strange that it's a photo |
| 18:52.38 | gla55 | not a screenshot :) |
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| 18:52.58 | konttori | pic is from here: http://justamp.blogspot.com/2007/06/pic-of-new-ngage-interface.html |
| 18:53.54 | gla55 | they got some platform thing like that for java stuff iirc too.. on some level at least somewhere.. |
| 18:54.07 | gla55 | can't remember under which name though |
| 18:54.20 | konttori | Nokia sure knows how to not make a gaming interface look like it's from an old office application. |
| 18:54.52 | konttori | Well, there's Series 60, which is the platform for n-gage games. |
| 18:55.14 | konttori | and the 3rd generation s60 is apparently the 'n-gage 2' level games platform |
| 18:55.50 | konttori | From what I remember, they have basically the same chip as is in n800 inside those things. (although my memory may fail me here) |
| 18:56.54 | qgil | hi, any chance of finding anybody willing to push a feature request for the development platform at http://maemo.org/intro/roadmap.html ? |
| 18:58.06 | qgil | I kind of understand the lack of answers to my call for fature requests... |
| 18:58.14 | qgil | ... but at the same time I donçt quite understand it :) |
| 18:58.14 | konttori | what do you need to be done? |
| 18:58.30 | qgil | what would you like Nokia to do? |
| 18:59.32 | konttori | Ahh... I actually had a few requests at the back of my head. |
| 18:59.39 | konttori | Have to think about them first for a while. |
| 19:00.01 | konttori | OTOH: Can I request for a proper dpad is one thing that I don't ever forget ;) |
| 19:00.37 | jonnylamb | lucasr: heh, I have a number of feature requests. It's called my TODO list! |
| 19:00.52 | qgil | Distributed Particle Accelerator Design? |
| 19:00.58 | jonnylamb | Eek, i didn't mean to address that to you..! |
| 19:02.03 | konttori | Direction Pad ... ;) But yeah, I get the joke. |
| 19:02.53 | qgil | why I keep asking about development platform features and people kleep answering about all the rest? ;) |
| 19:02.55 | konttori | I see that rotation support is already on the list. very cool. |
| 19:03.20 | jonnylamb | Eek, missed "development platform"! |
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| 19:03.54 | gla55 | proper dpad would kick ass |
| 19:04.04 | qgil | not that I don't vcare about the rest but, so to say, my range of action improves substantially the more you keep the requests within the development platform |
| 19:04.08 | konttori | OGG support request is there as well. But Kulves libraries provide full OGG support. You could just link that to the document. |
| 19:04.27 | gla55 | best things about ngages were the proper dpad.. no other s60's have it and it really makes a difference to games :| |
| 19:04.45 | konttori | OGG support is here: http://ogg.garage.maemo.org/ogg-support.install |
| 19:04.51 | X-Fade | konttori: But you'd want ogg-on-dsp ;) |
| 19:05.15 | konttori | well, that'll probably take quite a lot of man hours. |
| 19:05.33 | qgil | gla55: in other words, I can forward hardware related requests but... industrial design is done through a very different channel |
| 19:05.38 | konttori | I still expect that 95% of users use mp3s as their primary music medium |
| 19:06.00 | melmoth | not those coming from a..well, 'open source' background. |
| 19:06.04 | keesj | qgil: yes, I found that strange to |
| 19:06.21 | tko | qgil: maybe you should ask about hardware and proprietary app requests and maybe then people would give you development platform answers :) |
| 19:06.27 | Blacksitox | how captured my desktop on n800 ? |
| 19:06.36 | qgil | hi keesj, what is that you found strang? |
| 19:06.51 | qgil | right, now I got it |
| 19:06.54 | keesj | idem for the gnome thingy and the maemo roadmap, google SoC, and maemo "identidy" , strange sorry |
| 19:07.06 | konttori | qgil: I can imagine that. I still think that users would benefit from a change to n-gage dpad (if Nokia happens to have plenty of those in stock one ngage 2 platform goes to next gear) |
| 19:07.19 | konttori | once , not one . |
| 19:07.41 | gla55 | qgil: on s60's the dpads are self blocking... thats the biggest problem really(on ngage they're not. regular keyblocking is software controlled but that doesnt apply to dpads.). |
| 19:07.42 | qgil | well, yes, if I would come from Mars I would deduc that our development platform already rocks :) |
| 19:08.02 | konttori | Can I request that nokia would include screenshot utility as default? |
| 19:08.18 | konttori | Many press users would probably love that. |
| 19:08.20 | keesj | :P |
| 19:08.42 | qgil | you get this functionality through a well supportd one click install application, konttori |
| 19:09.12 | konttori | Well, not from any project in downloads.maemo.org |
| 19:09.22 | konttori | None of those work on N800 with latest firmware. |
| 19:09.43 | konttori | The only one I found that works is gnuites: http://gnuite.com:8080/nokia770/load-applet-run/load-applet-run_0.4.3-2_armel.deb |
| 19:09.59 | qgil | konttori: have you gone to http://downloads.maemo.org and typed "screenshot" in the search? |
| 19:10.23 | konttori | yep. but those didn't work |
| 19:10.38 | konttori | See: IT OS 2006 on both of them |
| 19:11.02 | jonnylamb | I second keesj. |
| 19:11.06 | qgil | if this is true and reproducible then file a bug - they worked for me when I tried |
| 19:11.39 | qgil | keesj: opening component X is a feature request |
| 19:11.57 | qgil | opening in general is a rquest too... but more difficult to address, really |
| 19:12.03 | melmoth | indeed, as an example being sure that all debug package are available as well as source one for everything that is open source would be nice. |
| 19:12.45 | keesj | I would like to type "make world" and have a new nokia image:P |
| 19:13.09 | melmoth | :) |
| 19:13.14 | qgil | melmoth: you are pointing out another specific feature request |
| 19:13.43 | jonnylamb | Is there a list of open and closed-source aspects to maemo anywhere? I can only find out by trawling through stage.m.o. |
| 19:13.47 | qgil | " Compilable sources" kind of implies the second part but being explicit won harm |
| 19:14.36 | qgil | melmoth: could you please put in shape a request for "all debug package are available"? |
| 19:14.49 | melmoth | ok. |
| 19:14.54 | keesj | qgil: but to be honest. I think that with hildon "leaving" maemo, I wonder that maemo really is? |
| 19:14.58 | qgil | I's day everything that is open source has source available already, otherwise is a major bug |
| 19:14.59 | melmoth | shall i post it as a bug in bugzilla ? |
| 19:15.16 | qgil | yes melmoth |
| 19:15.18 | qgil | thanks |
| 19:15.26 | qgil | severity: enhancementy |
| 19:15.27 | keesj | qgil: but you are doing a great job! |
| 19:16.23 | qgil | maemo can be lots of things even with Hildon going upstream |
| 19:16.41 | qgil | the problem I still see is being too many potential things instead of only 2-3 :) |
| 19:17.50 | Mithrandir | hi qgil |
| 19:18.35 | qgil | hi Mithrandir ! |
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| 19:23.56 | konttori | All right. Enhancement request submitted. #1556 |
| 19:23.57 | konttori | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1556 |
| 19:24.30 | konttori | Basically a request for the application menu (left side) to show in two columns when pressed with thumb. |
| 19:25.08 | konttori | Please, have a read and if possible, vote for the enhancement. I believe it would improve the thumb usability tremendously. |
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| 19:30.28 | qgil | thanks konttori, yet this doesn't count to my persistent beg for development platform related requests :) |
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| 19:30.28 | qgil | we rally want to pick some good ideas coming from the community (and not from us in the first place) and pushing them into roadmapping, planning, development and official release |
| 19:30.28 | konttori | I got carried away. Anyway, I hope that would get done. It would benefit us all (and take only hours to implement) |
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| 19:30.29 | qgil | it is easier to do this around the development platform since the "customers" are the maemo developers directly |
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| 19:30.39 | qgil | rquests around applications or the hardware ar much mor complex to deal with because Nokia has several sources of input and etc etc etc |
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| 19:31.28 | Blacksitox | konttori, you have application for screenshot on n800 ? |
| 19:32.08 | konttori | Yeah. I found this one. http://gnuite.com:8080/nokia770/load-applet-run/load-applet-run_0.4.3-2_armel.deb |
| 19:32.08 | konttori | But I really had to dig for it. |
| 19:32.57 | konttori | I really believe screenshot should be part of default install (even just as in the utilities folder) or, if not of default install, then an application in Nokia default repository. |
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| 19:34.06 | qgil | konttori: this sounds as a feature request - with a hint oif development platform (since screenshots are a useful tool for testing / bug reporting) |
| 19:34.33 | konttori | qgil: I'll write it down then. |
| 19:35.09 | qgil | konttori: I won't give you much hope about the availability in the official Internet Tablet OS but you have a point asking it to be officially supported by Nokia in a repository |
| 19:35.21 | X-Fade | konttori: Just a search in the application catalog gives you a few options? http://search.maemo.org/search?q=screenshot&site=applications&output=xml_no_dtd&oe=UTF-8&ie=UTF-8&client=maemo&proxystylesheet=maemo |
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| 19:35.55 | konttori | X-Fade: Have a look at them. They are all itos 2006 |
| 19:36.05 | konttori | They won't install to IT OS 2007. |
| 19:36.33 | konttori | Now, consider you are a reporter that has been asked to make a review of N800. |
| 19:36.47 | qgil | any more ideas / qustions? I'm about to export myself to bed |
| 19:36.50 | zuh | qgil: would "implement desktop notifications spec for banners in hildon (or hildon banners with libnotify & notification-daemon)" be the kind of request that you are looking for? (or is that already requested?) |
| 19:37.00 | konttori | You try all those apps. They won't install. Now, wouldn't that bug you? |
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| 19:37.23 | X-Fade | konttori: there also is osso-screenshot-tool in the repository.. |
| 19:37.30 | konttori | ftp server application to N800. |
| 19:37.35 | qgil | zuh: yes this is a very good example of very prcise feature request - can't tell if it has been suggested already though |
| 19:37.53 | konttori | it would help in development as you wouldn't have to use usb all the time to move test files to the device. |
| 19:38.06 | X-Fade | zuh: I seem to recall that is already done in sardine? |
| 19:38.20 | qgil | hum, "osso-screenshot-tool" sounds like fullfilling the feature request :) |
| 19:38.33 | konttori | qgil: Yeah. It works only from command line. |
| 19:38.43 | X-Fade | qgil: Yeah, but it is commandline only.. |
| 19:38.44 | konttori | And it takes the screenshot by default in 1 sec. |
| 19:38.59 | konttori | Good luck trying to change to your app during that time. |
| 19:39.00 | X-Fade | konttori: sleep 10; osso-screenshot-tool |
| 19:39.01 | X-Fade | :) |
| 19:39.19 | konttori | Fortunately your average reporter know how to do that. |
| 19:39.35 | qgil | alright, so you are seeing much better than I ideas of what could be requested |
| 19:39.36 | X-Fade | Yeah, that is not very user friendly :) |
| 19:39.42 | qgil | my mission for today here is almost complete |
| 19:39.48 | qgil | please make this roadmap yours |
| 19:39.59 | konttori | ;) So, you are ready for your well deserved sleep. |
| 19:40.00 | qgil | I know it takes... but really it is something that can be done |
| 19:40.15 | qgil | again, the "development platform" section is the one easiest to take over |
| 19:40.32 | zuh | konttori: This one has a 5 sec wait ;) http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2007/01/17/maemo-screen-grabber/ |
| 19:40.46 | derf | qgil: I think the biggest problem you have is that there 18,000 different repositories out there. Every developer has set up their own. |
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| 19:40.54 | ramatieg | Does anyone's N800 sparodically boot itself with /proc/bootreason=por ? |
| 19:41.41 | konttori | zuh: and gnuites one is even better. The point is that it's easier to stuble on tools that won't work that on tools that do. And it should be improved. |
| 19:41.50 | melmoth | oh, talking about that, anybody here is involved with approving upload access to the extra repository ? |
| 19:41.50 | qgil | derf: indeed, do you know the reasons why this happened? |
| 19:42.00 | konttori | qgil: I know |
| 19:42.15 | konttori | It's because it's so freaking hard to get application to extras |
| 19:42.19 | melmoth | :) |
| 19:42.33 | konttori | Which was exactly the thing I was about to make a request for. |
| 19:42.48 | derf | konttori basically has it. |
| 19:42.50 | qgil | konttori: I think there is already a enhancement request, wait |
| 19:43.22 | derf | You need to treat it like a real Linux distribution. |
| 19:43.34 | jonnylamb | Would there be a way of doing some QA work on the debian packaging? Some looks unchanged from default dh! |
| 19:43.39 | tko | hmm, I thought to get to extras you just needed a garage account with ssh/pgp key.. maybe I missed something |
| 19:44.02 | melmoth | well, on the other hand, it s not like it s actually easy to have upload permission on debain repository :) |
| 19:44.15 | melmoth | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ExtrasRepository that s what i found |
| 19:44.22 | derf | melmoth: Sure, but as an application developer, I've never needed it. |
| 19:44.44 | melmoth | i send a mail to garage@maemo.org the 4 of june, i m still waiting for an acknowledgement the mail has been receieved |
| 19:44.45 | derf | Because _someone_ has made sure new versions get packaged and incorporated. |
| 19:45.14 | X-Fade | melmoth: Apparently the mail is broken for that email address? |
| 19:45.17 | derf | Those people can be volunteers, they can be someone other than the developers themselves, but they have to _exist_. |
| 19:45.51 | melmoth | X-Fade, i dont know, i did not received a bounce neither. I interpret his has too few people, too many work to do , so i try to be patient :) |
| 19:46.06 | X-Fade | melmoth: I saw someone complaining about that.. let me check.. |
| 19:46.18 | keesj | derf: yes. that would really make me so happy! |
| 19:47.05 | keesj | a packaging buddy/debian mentor. I am not to lazy to learn |
| 19:47.14 | X-Fade | melmoth: Seems like a mail misconfiguration at maemo.org: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-June/010563.html |
| 19:47.49 | X-Fade | Hmm nice to see the names of the people who get garage@maemo.org mail :) |
| 19:47.52 | keesj | "<feel_sorry_mode>nobody cares about my packages</feel_sorry_mode>" |
| 19:48.00 | derf | Well, keep in mind that the kind of people who like doing packaging, QA, testing, etc., are not often the same kind of people that like hacking on code. |
| 19:48.03 | X-Fade | qgil: you are also in there ;) |
| 19:48.04 | melmoth | what is funny is that i did not received any bounce.. |
| 19:48.31 | qgil | I was looking for an enhancement request to this process/access to extras - apparently came through email instead of bug? |
| 19:48.39 | X-Fade | melmoth: I think it is blackholing mail? |
| 19:48.46 | qgil | garage@maemo.org works - I can tell |
| 19:48.52 | derf | Your average developer is going to say, "They can download it off my webpage if they care, good enough." |
| 19:49.14 | jonnylamb | keesj: I'd be happy to help out with the packaging.. |
| 19:49.26 | melmoth | well, i will wait . If i do not have feedback in a month, i ll post it again |
| 19:49.33 | X-Fade | derf: That is why we need user editable .install files on downloads.maemo.org. |
| 19:49.36 | keesj | jonnylamb: and uploading? |
| 19:49.50 | jonnylamb | keesj: Not so happy there! |
| 19:49.51 | X-Fade | That way someone can just point a .install to the right file.. Anyone can do that.. |
| 19:50.07 | derf | X-Fade: And also why .install files that can't reference multiple repositories are, with the current system, useless. |
| 19:50.17 | tko | maybe we could get someone to collect apps all around the world and upload them to extras? |
| 19:50.35 | derf | tko: I thought that's what I've just been saying. |
| 19:50.37 | keesj | X-Fade yes , if you have a maemo project I guess that the project web site is a ok/safe place |
| 19:51.02 | keesj | jonnylamb I do master the packaging just not the uploading |
| 19:51.55 | qgil | guys, would it be too much to ask another well formulated enhancement request to sorting out this process for uploading packages? |
| 19:52.37 | qgil | about QA on packages, there are some ideas/plans around but I don't know if they match what you have in mind |
| 19:54.01 | zuh | X-Fade: Ah, right, there is a wrapper for libnotify. But I don't see any hint of anyone implementing the server side (and I'd guess the upstream notification-daemon would feel/look somewhat out-of-place) |
| 19:54.05 | jonnylamb | qgil: What are these ideas/plans around? |
| 19:54.08 | keesj | QA on packages , building on a build server , having the sources that kind on thing? |
| 19:54.15 | X-Fade | qgil: https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=295&group_id=106&atid=460 |
| 19:54.27 | konttori | I just added the feature request for an easier debian upload to bug 1558. |
| 19:54.39 | konttori | I have a solution idea there. Have a look at it please. |
| 19:54.40 | konttori | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1558 |
| 19:55.01 | qgil | jonnylamb: to start with, having a clear maemo policy derived from the Debian policy |
| 19:55.42 | qgil | there is also https://garage.maemo.org/projects/qualityaware/ |
| 19:57.17 | qgil | x-fade, about editable install file I think it will come sooner than later, there is a revision to the application catalog planned at some point this summer |
| 19:57.53 | konttori | My idea about improving the debian upload to extras is to use the current downloads.maemo.org for it. It would be perfect way to just upload the debian while filling in the form for your new / updated application. Just a checkbox for : include in extras repository. And have input field for file upload for the deb file. |
| 19:58.24 | konttori | Then the download.maemo.org could automatically create the install file for it and link it to the page. |
| 19:58.31 | konttori | Like, easiest thing ever. |
| 20:00.48 | qgil | ok, so I you get my whole point today/here: mailing list and IRC is fine but when it comes to request enhancements a well formulated proposal going through bugzilla and hiting the roadmap (even if as Wishlist) is the best way to make sure that at least you will get an answer as good as your request |
| 20:01.26 | qgil | thanks for reading, now you will forgive me butzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 20:01.33 | melmoth | good night to you |
| 20:01.53 | qgil | "night" is not the right term in Helsinki at this point of the year but thanks anyway ;) |
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| 20:09.33 | keesj | oops.. just deleted qgil answer on that post.. bugger |
| 20:10.28 | keesj | konttori: did you get an email with his comments / changes? |
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| 20:13.09 | konttori | Nope |
| 20:13.18 | konttori | From who? |
| 20:14.06 | konttori | keesj: what post? My post? |
| 20:14.25 | keesj | I added a comment on https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1558 and when it started gragging about "Mid-air collision detected!" |
| 20:14.58 | konttori | Ahh.. Indeed. |
| 20:15.05 | konttori | I got qgils mail. |
| 20:15.08 | konttori | Yeah. |
| 20:16.39 | konttori | Also, concerning the sources problem that qgil had: No-one said that libraries needed to be uploaded that way. They could follow the current route, but for normal apps, the method could that. Ok, maybe make it a capsulated zip with sources in one dir and the application at root level deb. |
| 20:19.45 | konttori | I added a comment after your post keesj. I think your point is valid for libraries (especially ones with complex licenses). |
| 20:20.18 | konttori | But then again, libraries do not need to be updated that often and it would be great if Nokia would complile and distribute them anyway. |
| 20:20.23 | konttori | compile even. |
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| 20:27.17 | keesj | konttori: most of the time when I would upload I would not know on what software versions my package wil work |
| 20:27.51 | konttori | well, you can later edit it. |
| 20:28.07 | konttori | Just select the one that you know that works |
| 20:28.27 | konttori | and later append other versions if you get good response from users. |
| 20:28.42 | konttori | Or do it in reverse. |
| 20:30.02 | keesj | :p hmm, what should I do ? http://maemo.org/downloads/product/xmoto/ (see the first and only rating) |
| 20:30.26 | Blacksitox | jeje xmoto rulz! |
| 20:33.36 | konttori | keesj: Seems like the person couldn't install it |
| 20:33.44 | konttori | Perhaps it's missing a dependency |
| 20:34.06 | konttori | I agree. xmoto rules |
| 20:34.10 | keesj | I mailed him , perhas the game was just running to slow |
| 20:34.36 | konttori | I think he means that he really can't get it to run. |
| 20:34.53 | konttori | I assume because there is the reference to other apps that won't work |
| 20:35.23 | konttori | i'll test it for you |
| 20:36.15 | keesj | thanks |
| 20:37.43 | konttori | what? 13 MB? |
| 20:37.57 | konttori | I'm praying I won't run out of space in the middle of install |
| 20:38.43 | dolske | ahh, crap. the App Manager on my n800 seems to be b0rked. If I try to check for updates or show installed apps, it just hangs. :( |
| 20:38.53 | konttori | ahh... feel safer now. Just deleted the nokia example video (9MB) |
| 20:38.55 | dolske | what might i take do to take a stab at fixing it? |
| 20:39.11 | konttori | dolske. Disable repos. |
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| 20:39.18 | konttori | Take out all but nokia defaults |
| 20:39.28 | konttori | then add one by one. test in between |
| 20:39.30 | suihkulokki | there is also extra pdf docs to remove for space |
| 20:40.31 | dolske | hmm, figures. I ask and now it seems to have fixed itself while I was typing. or, at least, it takes a long time to finish whatever it's doing. |
| 20:40.41 | konttori | keesj: Probably he means that he's missing the application icon. |
| 20:40.51 | konttori | I just noticed your reference to xterm |
| 20:41.00 | konttori | I suggest adding the .desktop file. |
| 20:41.54 | konttori | xmoto seems to work. |
| 20:42.07 | konttori | I think it was just the missing desktop file that was too much for that user. |
| 20:43.12 | keesj | I will try to add it for the next release |
| 20:44.42 | keesj | the problem is that the main developer keeps adding layers and features. but now I can profile on the n800 it might be a fun project again(/me is also learning asm) |
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| 20:56.55 | melmoth | polom polom...anybody understdand what pyphantom is about ? |
| 20:58.54 | melmoth | ohh, it s like.. glade or something ? |
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| 21:00.44 | tko | sounds like visual basic.. or visual python.. or something :) |
| 21:03.32 | melmoth | ok. I got it, i though it was actually python2.5-hildon |
| 21:04.11 | melmoth | this stuff will rox :) |
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| 22:08.44 | gpd | anyone got any advice on using an N800 to play media through speakers on a linux box. I have gmediaserver running upnp to my N800 but I can only get it to play on the tablet - not from the box |
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| 22:12.39 | gpd | maybe I should just use something like Jinzora instead... |
| 22:19.35 | ChrisJTortoise | gpd: mpd? |
| 22:20.49 | gpd | he left :( |
| 22:21.10 | gpd | Looks like MMPC miight work with mpd... worth contemplating |
| 22:21.57 | gpd | I seems a shame that I can't just install something on the linux box and then select that machine from the dropdown in mediastreamer |
| 22:22.25 | gpd | but I am lost for search terms for that option |
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| 23:54.45 | unique311 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/UserInterface |