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| 06:01.10 | jga23 | is it possible to write an applet in python? |
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| 06:30.18 | inz | jga, in maemo4.0 it will be |
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| 06:33.51 | jga23 | what can I write an applet in then? |
| 06:35.08 | guardian | C |
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| 07:20.48 | jga23 | what is the equivalient to .bashrc on maemo? |
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| 07:39.39 | jga23 | anybody know how to stop dropbear ssh? |
| 07:40.17 | geaaru | /etc/init.d/dropbear stop |
| 07:40.35 | jga23 | I did that, but I can still connect |
| 07:41.36 | inz | jga, .profile is the closest one to .bashrc |
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| 07:42.06 | jga23 | inz, thanks |
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| 08:00.55 | jga23 | is there any difference from installing python or installing pymaemo? |
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| 08:09.52 | guardian | jga23: judging from the names i would install pymaemo |
| 08:10.00 | guardian | but i never used python on maemo |
| 08:10.17 | jga23 | ok, thanks |
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| 08:29.45 | lool | Hey there; is there a way to subscribe to uploads to the archive? I see I can subscribe to SVN commits, but some teams don't use SVN |
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| 09:12.45 | guardian_ | spent 20 minutes to discover that i wrote G_END_DCLS instead of G_END_DECLS |
| 09:12.53 | guardian_ | the compiler only said "extern" undefined identifier |
| 09:12.53 | guardian_ | :D |
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| 10:51.43 | Mikho | I'm trying to set up eclipse to compile and link using scratchbox compilers, but |
| 10:52.03 | Mikho | it seems the linker can't find all the libraries |
| 10:52.27 | Mikho | I wonder what libraries am I supposed to include in -l and what paths to -L |
| 10:53.36 | Mikho | I'm trying to run the simple example program in http://test.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/Maemo_tutorial.html#Building-applications |
| 10:54.07 | Mikho | (example_hildonprogram.c) |
| 10:55.05 | Mikho | the first linker error is "undefined reference to 'gtk_init'" followed by similar errors to the rest of the functions in use |
| 11:07.27 | melmoth | MikaT, i have no clue....but, i have here an old makefile that used to work (before i switched to python :)) ) |
| 11:07.29 | melmoth | HILDON_CFLAGS = -I/usr/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/hildon-fm |
| 11:10.15 | inz | it's not compiler issue, it's linker issue |
| 11:10.35 | inz | And you shouldn't hardcode the include paths like that, but use pkg-config instead |
| 11:11.16 | melmoth | well, the Makefile was generated by autoconf/autotools stuff, and it worked. |
| 11:11.41 | melmoth | but anyway, i switched to pyhton since anyway, it s just that the file it still there :) |
| 11:11.53 | inz | Mikho, try cc `pkg-config hildon-lgpl --cflags --libs` example_hildonprogram.c -o example |
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| 11:16.01 | Mikho | hmm |
| 11:22.37 | Mikho | grr, spent a good 10 mins wondering what's wrong when I had typed "hildon-lpgl" |
| 11:22.43 | Mikho | "cannot find" |
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| 11:55.42 | Mikho | sbox-arm-linux-cc: pkg-config hildon-lgpl --cflags --libs: No such file or directory |
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| 11:57.52 | Mikho | how is it supposed to execute that line pkg-config hildon... etc? |
| 12:00.34 | guardian | which would u use ? |
| 12:00.36 | guardian | mythtv ? |
| 12:00.40 | guardian | mediatomb ? |
| 12:00.41 | guardian | ushare ? |
| 12:00.48 | guardian | i don't have much time to test each one :/ |
| 12:05.10 | Mikho | why does it think the line inside '':s is just another input file? |
| 12:06.26 | kulve | those were ` not ' |
| 12:07.10 | Mikho | does it make a difference if it's ` or ´ ? |
| 12:07.19 | Mikho | just that it isn't '? |
| 12:07.28 | kulve | yes it does |
| 12:07.39 | Mikho | it has to be ` ? |
| 12:07.51 | kulve | using `, the shell will execute the command inside the `s before running the cc command |
| 12:08.32 | Mikho | is this a particular shell feature, or general 'nix? |
| 12:08.37 | kulve | general, afaik |
| 12:08.50 | Mikho | ... you learn something new every day |
| 12:08.53 | kulve | but I'm no shell guru :) |
| 12:09.17 | dpb__ | general in bourne shells atleast |
| 12:10.01 | Mikho | great, thanks :) |
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| 12:15.12 | Mikho | blah, if I run the linker outside scratchbox, it can't find hildon-lgpl, of course |
| 12:16.16 | pulsar | ah, that reminds me of something. does anyone use scons inside tha scratchbox? |
| 12:20.44 | inz | Mikho, some shells also support $(command), but `command` is more generic |
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| 12:26.01 | Mithrandir | inz: $(command) is POSIX so using that is fine. |
| 12:26.17 | Mithrandir | anybody using non-posix shells lose. |
| 12:27.09 | Mikho | this is so nice: every time I try out a wrong compiling command it spews out thousands and thousands of errors and warnings, locking itself for a few minutes |
| 12:30.10 | Mikho | does anybody know a good IDE for developing c++? |
| 12:30.31 | melmoth | well,a new emacs has just been released :) |
| 12:30.45 | Mikho | seems eclipse with the c++ plugin is just waste of time |
| 12:30.47 | pulsar | anjuta is nice |
| 12:30.49 | Efrael | Visual studio \o/ |
| 12:31.00 | Mikho | for ubuntu.. |
| 12:31.05 | pulsar | anjuta |
| 12:31.14 | Mikho | anjuta you say |
| 12:31.22 | pulsar | yep. its in the repository. |
| 12:31.40 | cosmo | eclipse+cdt seems to work quite well also |
| 12:31.41 | pulsar | lacks plenty of features i am used to but it does the job quite well |
| 12:31.43 | Efrael | These QT things have something. Maybe KDevelop. |
| 12:32.03 | pulsar | cosmo: @see above, he already gave it a try :) |
| 12:32.34 | Mikho | I just can't find out where to insert the `` commands in build settings in eclipse |
| 12:32.36 | pulsar | if you are looking for a stressless make replacement take a look at scons too |
| 12:32.44 | Mikho | moreover, eclipse+cdt is sloooow |
| 12:33.08 | cosmo | eclipse has automatic makefile generation, you don't need to do it by hand anymore |
| 12:33.25 | Mikho | it still doesn't find the libraries automatically |
| 12:33.46 | cosmo | you just enter the libs in build settings |
| 12:34.11 | Mikho | looks like I'd have to type pkg-config in shell, look what libraries are used and then input the libraries manually one by one in the build settings |
| 12:37.02 | Mikho | I could give anjuta and the others a try as well |
| 12:39.35 | Mikho | I hope they have automatic makefile management... |
| 12:39.42 | pulsar | anjuta does |
| 12:39.48 | Mikho | great |
| 12:39.50 | pulsar | uses automake afair |
| 12:41.26 | Efrael | A couple of years ago when I tried Anjuta in Ubuntu it kept segfaulting when I tried to create a certain type of project. |
| 12:42.03 | pulsar | hehe... common problem of many open source programs and linux. |
| 12:42.46 | pulsar | seems to work fine using ubuntu 7 at least right now. |
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| 12:46.14 | Efrael | When I fiddled with Qt it had some rather cool tool for C++, but can't remember the name. It might have been a little Qt specific, though. |
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| 12:52.25 | Mikho | the installation threw an error but it seems to be installed allright |
| 12:52.42 | Mikho | how can I make sure it's not broken or sth |
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| 13:27.38 | Mikho | ok, so how do I make anjuta to auto-manage my makefile |
| 13:27.44 | Mikho | atm I can't build because I don't have a makefile |
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| 13:57.39 | Mikho | ok, it was a mistake to try to import the project directly from eclipse |
| 13:59.36 | Efrael | Hey, that's actually exactly what I was trying to do when it kept segfaulting |
| 14:01.00 | Mikho | it disabled almost all automatic functionality |
| 14:01.28 | Mikho | but now I can't find out how to define which libraries and includes are needed |
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| 14:06.36 | Mikho | wow, it actually generated a nice ./configure:ation script! I thought it was just a hello world program |
| 14:07.13 | Mikho | it also processes the script for 14 seconds while looking cool |
| 14:07.56 | Efrael | Doesn't it use configure.ac and Makefile.am with autoconf and automake? |
| 14:10.14 | Mikho | there are lot of files but no configure.ac |
| 14:10.24 | Mikho | there is a Makefile.am though |
| 14:13.30 | Efrael | What about configure.in? |
| 14:13.45 | Mikho | in this case it's not as simle as to just right click on the project name and type in the libraries and headers |
| 14:14.41 | Mikho | now where and what should I write to make the builder find <hildon-widgets/hildon-program.h> |
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| 14:15.59 | Mikho | oh, there is a configure.in file, and it seems to update it according to what I write on the right-button-configuration-dialog |
| 14:16.39 | Efrael | configure.in is the old name for configure.ac |
| 14:18.04 | Efrael | I don't know about anjuta but at least modifying configure.in and Makefile.am is useful when trying to include necessary libraries in your build. |
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| 14:21.22 | Mikho | configure.in seems to be in some mystical alien language |
| 14:22.44 | Mikho | in the tutorial http://anjuta.sourceforge.net/documentations/subpage/documents/C/anjuta-manual/anjuta-manual.html in figure 6.1 there seems to be a nice project properties dialog, but there's no such thing in my anjuta |
| 14:23.02 | Efrael | Yeah, it's a whole another world. I found the automake manual quite helpful while autoconf manual was too overwhelming. In automake manual both configure.in and Makefile.am are covered. |
| 14:24.41 | Mikho | so, I'm supposed to enter straight automake/autoconf syntax in the "Configure Project" dialog? |
| 14:25.23 | Efrael | Probably not =) But that's all I know. |
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| 14:25.39 | Efrael | Autotools are useful stuff to learn anyways, though. |
| 14:26.12 | harleypig | Can I install bash without losing a whole bunch of necessary packages? |
| 14:31.11 | Mikho | oh... it seems the anjuta in ubuntu distribution wasn't anjuta2 |
| 14:32.12 | Mikho | but just some old 1.2.4a-5build1 |
| 14:34.16 | Mikho | *sigh* |
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| 14:55.00 | b0unc3 | hello |
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| 15:28.56 | b0unc3 | there is any way to get java run on n800 ? |
| 15:30.43 | alp | b0unc3: i tried ikvm under mono some time ago, much of the test suite passes and it performs well |
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| 15:31.11 | b0unc3 | alp: you can run java with awt or swing ? |
| 15:32.02 | alp | i didn't try any UI things, the eclipse toolkit used by azureus etc. should work fine though |
| 15:32.27 | b0unc3 | uhm... sounds interesting... any links ? |
| 15:33.00 | alp | nothing that "I'm feeling lucky" on google won't give you |
| 15:33.21 | b0unc3 | alp: ok :-) |
| 15:44.12 | zyxulnaga | is wlanconfig available for the n800 ? |
| 15:47.56 | dragorn | I wouldn't expect it to be, that's a madwifi userspace tool |
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| 15:58.52 | zyxulnaga | trying to generate a probe request |
| 15:59.02 | zyxulnaga | doesnt seem to be possible |
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| 16:31.28 | defor80 | if anyone's handy.. I'm trying to compule some already-existing code, and while I've gotten 99% working, compiled most of the existing cli apps, i'm having issues with the gtk part, specifically, using the normal configure/makefile, i get the error that gtk/gtk.h cannot be found. I've verified using apt-get as fakeroot that libgtk2.0-dev is installed, but i'm still hitting this wall... any thoughts? |
| 16:32.00 | dragorn | look at config.log and see if it can't be found or if some other error is causing it to fail the compile test with gtk.h |
| 16:34.25 | defor80 | looking |
| 16:36.28 | defor80 | config.log doesnt even check for gtk |
| 16:37.24 | konttori | Hey, what is the command to ask user a question in the postinst file? |
| 16:37.24 | defor80 | it isn't until i run make that i hit the error |
| 16:37.25 | konttori | I would like to ask user a question at the end of install |
| 16:37.25 | konttori | and then act accordingly |
| 16:37.25 | jonnylamb | konttori: Using debconf? |
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| 16:39.57 | konttori | Ahh.. this should do the trick: maemo-confirm-text [title] file |
| 16:42.52 | zuh | That's _very_ annoying if one is installing something over ssh ("hmmm... why does it take so long to install this..?") |
| 16:43.50 | jonnylamb | Debian policy insists that package installation *must-not* be interactive. |
| 16:44.53 | part | konttori: what do you want to ask from the user? |
| 16:45.07 | konttori | If he wants to delete previous cached images |
| 16:45.13 | konttori | From previous install |
| 16:45.37 | konttori | But hey, even nokia apps ask user to accept license agreement |
| 16:45.51 | part | konttori: and that's annoying too |
| 16:45.59 | konttori | But it makes sense. |
| 16:47.33 | mgedmin | jonnylamb: are you sure about that? because some packages (like libc6) are very interactive on upgrades, and don't use debconf |
| 16:48.32 | konttori | Hey, how do I get the exit value of that command call (maemo-confirm-text)? |
| 16:48.39 | part | mgedmin: libc is a pretty special case, as it's necessary for just about everything else to actually function |
| 16:49.46 | konttori | Sorry for asking such a silly question, but you guys probably know it immediately. |
| 16:50.00 | melmoth | if it s in a shell $? i think |
| 16:50.10 | melmoth | if the maemo shell works as bash that is :) |
| 16:50.22 | jonnylamb | mgedmin: Sorry, I'm an idiot- I meant *building* the package must be non-interactive. |
| 16:51.49 | melmoth | konttori, yop, 'echo $?' works as with a regular bash |
| 16:51.55 | konttori | thanks |
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| 16:56.53 | harleypig | Is there a way I can get rid of all language packages but my own? |
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| 16:57.11 | harleypig | Or is there a better irc channel to ask these types of questions? |
| 16:57.58 | dragorn | if you back up your device first you can try just removing them |
| 16:58.17 | harleypig | Yeah, but that won't help when upgrading. |
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| 16:58.49 | harleypig | In gentoo there is an options to set which languages you wish to install for. I was wondering/hoping that there was something similar for debian. |
| 16:58.51 | dragorn | well, no, you'd have to do it again every time |
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| 17:10.26 | harleypig | Is aptitude available in a repository somewhere? |
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| 17:17.38 | defor80 | ok.. another random question.. is there a proper way to mount a mmc as /home, so as to not run the internal flash out of space? |
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| 17:21.18 | harleypig | Hmmm ... I don't remember how to fix a BADSIG error on an apt-get update ... anyone got a quick pointer for me to fix that? |
| 17:21.53 | dragorn | defor80: I think theres a howto on the maemo site for extending root onto a card, don't have the url handy, I think it was either in the wiki or in the developer portion |
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| 17:29.05 | harleypig | ARGHH ... how can I keep a ssh session from timing out on my n800? |
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| 17:32.59 | TimRiker | harleypig: I keep ssh sessions open for quite some time using the dropbear packages. I've not noticed them timing out. |
| 17:34.05 | harleypig | I'm not using the dropbear package ... I couldn't find them for the repositories I have. |
| 17:35.14 | harleypig | OTOH, I'm only using repositories for IT2007 ... can I safely use IT2006 repositories? |
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| 17:45.38 | jonnylamb | How come ~ is copied in the rss feed reader's cache?! |
| 17:45.58 | jonnylamb | s/cache/image cache/ |
| 17:46.25 | jonnylamb | Hmm, indeed infobot. |
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| 18:01.50 | pupnik | servus |
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| 18:25.57 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:26.09 | pupnik | because Ron Paul support was dominating the comments |
| 18:26.18 | pupnik | now they redirect the page to another page |
| 18:26.20 | pupnik | see for yourself |
| 18:26.29 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:27.28 | derf | Yeah, everyone online has Ron Paul winning. |
| 18:27.38 | derf | Too bad that's not where the election will be conducted. |
| 18:28.12 | pupnik | I apologize for the offtopic but that makes me grrrrRRRRRR! |
| 18:28.53 | pupnik | nice to see someone here knows what i'm talking about :) hi derf |
| 18:29.06 | derf | The distribution of people online (who comment on political articles) is not indicative of the distribution of the voting population of the country. |
| 18:29.18 | derf | Also, the election is over a year away. |
| 18:29.19 | pupnik | correct |
| 18:30.19 | pupnik | this RP campaign has totally derailed my maemo work :/ |
| 18:30.58 | pupnik | i'll stop talking about it here. anybody interested can check out ##ronpaul on freenode, efnet or undernet |
| 18:34.19 | Efrael | GOP sounds no un-OSS ;) |
| 18:34.32 | Efrael | I mean *so* un-OSS |
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| 18:51.53 | pupnik | is there a way to increase TX power on the 770 wifi chip? |
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| 19:02.39 | zyxulnag1 | pupnik: I think in the connectivity manager advanced options |
| 19:02.49 | zyxulnag1 | in the n800 you can |
| 19:04.27 | zyxulnag1 | you could max is 100mw |
| 19:04.58 | pupnik | ty |
| 19:05.01 | pupnik | that's what i thought |
| 19:05.01 | zyxulnag1 | np |
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| 19:40.21 | toresbe | pjustice: :) |
| 19:40.47 | pjustice | toresbe, |
| 19:41.15 | toresbe | bye! |
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| 20:58.26 | mk8 | Hi to all ... |
| 21:01.34 | harleypig | What's a good bluetooth keyboard for the n800? |
| 21:08.40 | b0unc3 | harleypig: the nokia sw-8w would have to work |
| 21:09.30 | tigert | harleypig: just get used to the thumb keyboard |
| 21:09.34 | tigert | its much nicer |
| 21:09.43 | tigert | if you really use the device when on the go |
| 21:09.59 | harleypig | I haven't even tried it ... |
| 21:10.00 | tigert | bluetooth keyboards are fun when you are sitting on a desk where you have you laptop along anyway as well :) |
| 21:10.04 | tigert | try it |
| 21:10.12 | tigert | its not too bad, I irc with it just nicely |
| 21:10.30 | tigert | the drawback is you dont see the app while typing, but thats minor issue |
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| 21:11.03 | harleypig | Hmmm ... I'm not seeing it ... do I have to install it? |
| 21:12.59 | ||cw | hold your finger on the text box for a few seconds then let go |
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| 21:14.00 | harleypig | Oh. Interesting. |
| 21:19.46 | konttori | ukmp 1.1 out! |
| 21:19.55 | konttori | http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2007/06/ukmp-11.html |
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| 21:23.53 | konttori | Includes OGG support! |
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| 21:40.00 | konttori | Man, vmware fusion looks cool http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIApJMzGzDQ |
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| 21:45.16 | konttori | Interesting. 189 $ laptop from asus |
| 21:45.16 | konttori | http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/114773/asus-stuns-computex-with-100-laptop.html# |
| 21:45.17 | konttori | runs linux |
| 21:46.11 | konttori | larger image: http://www.pcpro.co.uk/picture_library/dir_125/it_portal_pic_62535.jpg?751 |
| 21:47.46 | konttori | Another take http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/05/asus-new-eee-pc-701-joins-the-laptop-lite-fray-with-a-bang/ |
| 21:48.55 | konttori | Looks really nasty competition to foleo as well as internettablet. (ok, nastier for foleo, less nasty for n800 - but WILL effect whole internet appliance market.) |
| 21:50.31 | konttori | In this image you can see how small asus is: http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=40076 |
| 21:50.31 | b0unc3 | konttori: looks really interesting! |
| 21:50.31 | konttori | indeed |
| 21:51.04 | javamaniac | nice toy! |
| 21:51.51 | konttori | we'll see if it's that much a toy. Might work pretty nicely for the ubiquitous communication device. |
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| 21:53.46 | zakx | if they're really releasing it anyway |
| 21:55.36 | konttori | true. |
| 21:56.10 | konttori | OTOH, they did refer availability this year. |
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| 22:16.13 | tigert | no pics of the ui though |
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| 22:20.33 | unique311 | ok, i haven't touch my n800 in 3 days.......wtf. |
| 22:20.40 | sethstorm | that isnt a bad thing |
| 22:20.45 | unique311 | not good at all |
| 22:22.04 | unique311 | finally fixed my thinkpad...had issues with it....but still undecided as to what OS to install on it.. |
| 22:22.27 | sethstorm | dualboot if you're undecided ;) |
| 22:28.46 | derf | I finally got everything working on my thinkpad. |
| 22:29.03 | derf | Suspend, hibernate, monitor switching, ultrabay switching... |
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| 22:43.44 | tigert | how did you make ultrabay work? on linux? |
| 22:43.57 | tigert | post tutorial :) |
| 22:46.51 | unique311 | thinkpad ? |
| 22:46.58 | unique311 | i have a t41p old............. |
| 22:47.20 | unique311 | but i paid 30 dollars for it..so its a great catch |
| 22:48.12 | unique311 | running mediacenter on it..right now...might keep it media center and just run vmware |
| 23:00.35 | SeRi_zZZzZz | I havea t30 running FC6 |
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| 23:45.04 | unique311 | whats new in maemo, besides nokia messing with thoughtfix |
| 23:45.28 | unique311 | free thoughtfix....i have the tshirts in the making... |
| 23:48.16 | trevarthan | So..... I'm thinking we need some new GTK widgets designed just for touch screens. |
| 23:48.35 | trevarthan | You know, widgets with inertia and stuff like that. |
| 23:49.48 | trevarthan | BTW, does the n800 have any 3D hardware? Or is it purely a 2D device? |
| 23:51.50 | sp3000 | well, it has several millimetres or depth |
| 23:52.18 | sp3000 | so year three-dee hardware :D |
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| 23:53.48 | trevarthan | Yeah, I just read something by pancake stating that there's some sort of licensing for the 3D chipset, and the mobo isn't very well designed to accomodate 3d performance even if there was a driver. |
| 23:54.12 | trevarthan | But still, we could still do inertial widgets. |
