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| 00:04.24 | myren | is there usb host mode yet? |
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| 01:14.51 | SeRi | waz up peepz |
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| 01:34.03 | myren | usb host mode? |
| 01:34.03 | myren | bump |
| 01:34.04 | myren | does it exist yet |
| 01:34.16 | myren | i've watned a n800 for a while but no way in hell am i getting one sans usb host |
| 01:34.34 | myren | even if the only alternative is a cowon q5 running windows mobile |
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| 03:07.37 | SeRi | @myren somebody posted at ITT ben able to get it working |
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| 03:53.18 | unique311 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P39b7v1wzfg |
| 03:53.20 | unique311 | classic |
| 03:54.59 | unique311 | holy shit....that all made sense to me when i was a kid.... |
| 04:00.41 | SeRi | ultimate warrior |
| 04:00.57 | SeRi | hehehehe |
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| 04:10.45 | unique311 | that dude was nutz |
| 04:10.56 | unique311 | but was entertaining |
| 04:13.04 | SeRi | lol |
| 04:13.06 | SeRi | no shit |
| 04:14.43 | SeRi | going to idle for a bit |
| 04:14.48 | unique311 | cool |
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| 06:45.58 | konttori | Morning! |
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| 07:01.35 | k-way | hi |
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| 07:07.32 | Mikho | now how does that ultimate warrior stuff differ from wwf nowadays? |
| 07:08.33 | Mikho | people on the video tell over and over again that they don't understand what he's saying |
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| 07:25.34 | lubomir | hello |
| 07:25.49 | lubomir | is it possible to run gentoo linix on such a device? |
| 07:26.37 | inz | I think you don't want to compile everything with such a slow processor... ;P |
| 07:26.50 | lubomir | yes,i want |
| 07:27.20 | lubomir | i have compiled gentoo,kde and openoffice on a 233mhz pentium-2 |
| 07:27.41 | lubomir | how much ram does that thing have? |
| 07:27.55 | sxpert | not enough :D |
| 07:28.02 | inz | 770 has 64 MB and N800 128 MB |
| 07:28.14 | lubomir | 128mb could be ok for kde |
| 07:28.30 | k-way | lubomir: what kind of gui would you like with that? |
| 07:28.34 | lubomir | can the ram been changed? |
| 07:28.51 | lubomir | normal kde (emerge kde) ;-) |
| 07:29.00 | geaaru | hi |
| 07:29.03 | inz | lubo, not easily at least |
| 07:29.18 | lubomir | and beryl would also be fine |
| 07:29.18 | k-way | I am kind of interrester perhaps ask on #gentoo-embedded ? |
| 07:29.43 | k-way | fine && slow :p |
| 07:29.59 | geaaru | lubomir: i think that it isn't possible upgrade ram of n800 |
| 07:29.59 | inz | lubo, beryl with no hw 3D acceleration == fun |
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| 07:30.52 | suihkulo1ki | I was thinking the things lacking on the device where a better browser, or some of the usability quirks |
| 07:30.56 | k-way | lubomir: if gentoo does not work out please also checkout openembedded , it' has the same spirit as gentoo |
| 07:31.25 | suihkulo1ki | but apparently it's the lack of emerge that is keeping the endusers away |
| 07:31.26 | k-way | suihkulo1ki: yes, but are thera realy alternatives for opera? |
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| 07:33.04 | k-way | suihkulo1ki: do you mean the lack of being able to build your own distro and package from source ? |
| 07:33.09 | lubomir | what kind of bluetooth have the N800 build in? |
| 07:33.14 | lubomir | 2.0 + EDR? |
| 07:33.35 | suihkulo1ki | k-way: no, I'm just sarcastic |
| 07:34.30 | k-way | I was afraid you where. |
| 07:34.59 | k-way | what kind of tools does mamo use to create all the packages and releases? |
| 07:35.28 | melmoth | dpkg |
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| 07:42.46 | Mikho | does anybody know how to enable the man command in scratchbox? |
| 07:44.19 | dpb__ | you'd need to build it for it. it's just easier to use man outside of scratchbox though.. |
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| 07:44.48 | k-way | melmoth so dpkg can build a full distro? |
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| 07:45.10 | dpb__ | maemo package don't have man pages included anyway, so getting the man command there has really no point in it.. |
| 07:45.15 | dpb__ | packages* |
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| 07:48.50 | melmoth | k-way: i dont know how they build the image in itself...but it s a debian, so they use the whole debian toolkit |
| 07:50.51 | Mikho | ok |
| 07:50.56 | Mikho | then I won't bother |
| 07:52.13 | inz | dpb, _most_ maemo packages don't have |
| 07:53.20 | dpb__ | some do? :o |
| 07:54.24 | unique311 | its alive..... |
| 07:54.46 | unique311 | k, best piece of software for me so far...has to be motion..... |
| 07:55.35 | unique311 | i was also able to stream live video....and watch via my notebook, wtf took place in the house when i was out... |
| 07:55.49 | unique311 | not much takes place when the house is empty...heh |
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| 08:03.47 | geaaru | hi, there is a jre plugin for opera o minimo that works with N800? |
| 08:04.19 | unique311 | not yet.... |
| 08:04.33 | unique311 | java is being worked on.... |
| 08:04.44 | unique311 | tis what i am waiting on.... |
| 08:05.05 | geaaru | thank for reply |
| 08:05.49 | unique311 | np |
| 08:06.01 | unique311 | i get paid to do so,,,, |
| 08:07.12 | geaaru | :) but there is already a website for project or we are at pre-pre-pre-alpha |
| 08:07.16 | guardian | morning maemo |
| 08:16.41 | unique311 | geaaru |
| 08:16.46 | unique311 | i'll get ya some links |
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| 08:18.27 | unique311 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6153&highlight=java |
| 08:19.15 | unique311 | http://www.pikesoft.com/blog/index.php?itemid=178 |
| 08:19.47 | unique311 | http://wiki.java.net/bin/view/Mobileandembedded/PhoneMEAdvancedPlatformsNokia800 |
| 08:19.57 | geaaru | ;) thanks i see |
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| 08:23.47 | geaaru | i known link of PhoneMEAdvanced... but is for a jvm on system not jre for browser. I installed it. |
| 08:23.50 | geaaru | http://www.jalimo.org/wiki/doku.php |
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| 08:36.08 | guardian | is there a command that can help me detecting if the toolchain is arm or armel |
| 08:36.41 | guardian | i would like to use this as part of a makefile, to put my binaries in bin/i386 or bin/arm or bin/armel depending on which target i compile for: x86,n770,n800 |
| 08:37.00 | suihkulo1ki | dpkg-architecture, gcc -dumpmachine |
| 08:39.30 | guardian | many thx suihkulo1ki |
| 08:42.44 | guardian | i always used uname -m before |
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| 09:00.21 | du1 | hi out there |
| 09:00.53 | du1 | does anyone know where the n0.8k stores the display-brightness and volume... |
| 09:01.14 | du1 | on the kaleo it's in /proc/acpi/dtr_bright/lcd |
| 09:01.18 | du1 | for example |
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| 09:37.14 | Mikho | ok, now it seems xephyr magically stopped working all of a sudden |
| 09:37.56 | Mikho | AUDIT: Mon Jun 4 12:33:09 2007: 8833 Xephyr: client 1 rejected from IP 127.0.0.1 port 33 |
| 09:38.20 | Mikho | that comes from the host machine where I ran start-xephyr.sh |
| 09:39.03 | Mikho | the error comes when I try af-sb-init.sh start in scratchbox |
| 09:39.27 | Mikho | Xlib: connection to "127.0.0.1:2.0" refused by server |
| 09:39.33 | Mikho | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 09:47.50 | inz | And your start-xephyr passes -ac argument to Xephyr? |
| 09:49.00 | Mikho | yes |
| 09:55.57 | Mikho | actually it wasnt. When I pico:ed the start-xephyr.sh script earlier, the $ character at the end of a line wasn't a word wrap marker, it was a regular $ |
| 09:56.04 | Mikho | now it gives a different error message |
| 09:56.59 | Mikho | now it also prints "Auth name: MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 ID:-1" on the server side and |
| 09:57.27 | guardian | bleh gtype system :( |
| 09:57.29 | Mikho | "Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key" on the scratchbox side |
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| 09:57.41 | guardian | wanted to use a widget that i already coded as part of a GTypeModule |
| 09:57.54 | guardian | needs to copy/paste the code because of the weird type registration stuff |
| 09:59.16 | Mikho | how do I define the key on the scratchbox side? |
| 09:59.38 | Mikho | xauth add should be the proper command on the xephyr server side but... |
| 10:00.05 | inz | with -ac you shouldn't need such auth stuff |
| 10:00.19 | du1 | ... another prob: is there a file where i can adjust the display brightness or do i have to send a dsme-msg??? where are the dsme-msgs defined?! HELP!! |
| 10:01.59 | inz | du1, gconf key /system/osso/dsm/display/display_brightness |
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| 10:03.42 | du1 | inz: and where is that gconf file ?? |
| 10:04.00 | du1 | find / -name *gconf* | wc -l |
| 10:04.01 | du1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:04.22 | du1 | sorry for my noobish questions |
| 10:04.39 | melmoth | use gconftool-2 to read and set entry |
| 10:05.16 | Mikho | ok... got a bit forward |
| 10:05.48 | Mikho | now the xephyr screen flashed for 0.1 seconds the screen I wanted to see, and again gave a whole new error message |
| 10:06.16 | Mikho | time for lunch |
| 10:06.22 | melmoth | du1 http://developer.imendio.com/publications/introduction_gconf_gnomevfs |
| 10:06.35 | du1 | melmoth: thx |
| 10:07.53 | melmoth | by example 'gconftool-2 -R /apps/osso' |
| 10:08.05 | melmoth | will give you the gconf settings for all stuff under /apps/osso |
| 10:08.28 | melmoth | there is also a way to set a key, or have the value of a single key, but i m not that fluent to know how to on top of my head |
| 10:10.03 | du1 | thx for the first... it seems easy... |
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| 10:29.01 | Andy80 | hi |
| 10:29.33 | Andy80 | can you suggest me a lighter editor for maemo? vim takes about 10mb on my n770, it's too much for that! :( |
| 10:31.22 | suihkulo1ki | emacs? |
| 10:31.26 | inz | Andy, the busybox vi? |
| 10:32.11 | Andy80 | inz: vi ? but... does it have the same "key-mapping" like vim or another one? |
| 10:32.14 | Andy80 | I explain better.... |
| 10:32.48 | Andy80 | sometimes if I only use "vi" I've that bad key mapping that it's not very intuitive... I cannot use arrows to move in the text eccc... |
| 10:33.30 | osfameron | the N800 vi is remarkably usable even just with the onscreen kb |
| 10:34.07 | inz | Andy, I think arrow keys work in the busybox vi, if you're not in "insert" mode |
| 10:36.57 | Andy80 | inz: yes, you're right... and... where is the "Esc" key? I need it to leave the "insert" mode usually... |
| 10:37.18 | geaaru | "Esc" key is on left pad |
| 10:39.43 | Andy80 | thank you so much :) |
| 10:40.12 | geaaru | np |
| 10:40.53 | Andy80 | another quick question... I tried to contact the manteiner too, but no reply... I see that xchat 2.8.2 is available for maemo, but only for os2007. Where can I find the package for os2006 too? I tried to install the os2007 version but it refuses to install... |
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| 10:41.49 | inz | skyhusker's xchat? |
| 10:42.08 | Andy80 | yes |
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| 10:42.51 | Andy80 | inz: at the moment, on my n770, I'm using 2.6.2 release... but it's not "hildonized" |
| 10:44.36 | inz | Andy, skyhusker has 2.8.0 for gregale |
| 10:45.09 | inz | Andy, http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/maemo/pool/gregale/ |
| 10:47.10 | Andy80 | thanks... I'll install it! |
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| 10:50.27 | Andy80 | I think he should include it on the garage... |
| 10:50.57 | Andy80 | the "one click" installation, only gets the mistral version |
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| 10:52.50 | Andy80_ | test... |
| 10:53.41 | Andy80 | uhm... it doesn't support the fullscreen yet... |
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| 10:58.52 | Mikho | it seems I get different error messages every time i try to af-sb-init.sh |
| 10:59.29 | Mikho | this time it's "hildon-input-method[13408]: GLIB WARNING ** default - Could not initialize osso from hildon-input-method |
| 11:00.03 | Mikho | and "hildon-input-method[13408]: GLIB WARNING ** Could not register the osso_hw_set_event_cb" |
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| 11:03.48 | Mikho | oh, there's more: "Starting Maemo Launcher: maemo-launcher start failed" |
| 11:04.49 | Mikho | but no explanation why it failed |
| 11:07.59 | Mikho | on a different try maemo-launcher complained about not being able to "rise the oom shield" |
| 11:08.50 | inz | You can ignore that one |
| 11:11.23 | Mikho | but anyway I'm unable to get even the brief flash of the UI on xephyr screen |
| 11:13.20 | inz | the libosso initialisation probs sound like dysfunctional dbus |
| 11:15.20 | Mikho | *sigh* |
| 11:15.27 | Mikho | next problem: |
| 11:15.48 | Mikho | The program 'maemo_af_desktop' received an X Window System error. |
| 11:15.57 | Mikho | This probably reflects a bug in the program |
| 11:16.08 | Mikho | The error was 'BadMatch'. |
| 11:16.36 | Mikho | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:29.36 | guardian | you better reinstall the whole stuff |
| 11:31.11 | Mikho | it leaves all kinds of daemons running on the background |
| 11:31.22 | Mikho | and it gives different error messages all the time |
| 11:31.27 | Mikho | this is highly annoying |
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| 11:38.41 | guardian | indeed sometimes when af-sb-init.sh fails it leaves daemons running |
| 11:38.50 | guardian | you need to do af-sb-init.sh stop |
| 11:39.09 | guardian | and make sure you kill all running stuff in scratchbox (you can do that from sb-menu) |
| 11:39.46 | guardian | then check your xephyr options |
| 11:40.16 | guardian | i use Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 800x480x16 -dpi 96 -ac |
| 11:40.28 | Mikho | yes, the same as in the tutorial |
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| 11:40.53 | guardian | probably |
| 11:42.01 | Mikho | finally got it to work! |
| 11:42.34 | Mikho | had to do af-sb-init.sh stop AND remove the font path I added the last time to get rid of some warnings |
| 11:44.03 | Mikho | better ignore the warnings next time or I might be in trouble |
| 11:45.31 | guardian | don't fix what's not broken :) |
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| 12:14.28 | du1 | does the n800 support 2gb SD's?? |
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| 12:16.54 | gla55_ | yes |
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| 12:25.53 | du1 | i get a 'Memory card corrupted or unformatted' |
| 12:26.03 | du1 | it is brand new - so maybe unformatted |
| 12:26.12 | du1 | can i format it on the n800?? |
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| 12:30.26 | du1 | does somebody know where to attatch scripts wich should be ran when a mmc gets attatched ?? (maybe udevd is involved??) |
| 12:37.28 | du1 | hi back adoyle |
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| 12:52.20 | du1 | why isn't fmradio-software shipped with the n800, when the hardware is built in??? |
| 12:54.04 | koen | why does the kernel have binary only modules? |
| 12:54.29 | `0660 | why the earth is not flat? |
| 12:54.45 | du1 | ok, ok |
| 12:54.46 | guardian | why doesn't the n800 have a video output to plug it to the tv |
| 12:55.06 | du1 | hey guardian: this one would be really cool!! |
| 12:55.07 | suihkulo1ki | why is there no integrated sauna? |
| 12:55.09 | guardian | why is bugzilla bugged ? |
| 12:55.17 | du1 | ....lol |
| 12:55.24 | guardian | i'm not kidding it is :) |
| 12:55.39 | gla55_ | tv out would be good. tried the tvout on n95 the other day.. |
| 12:55.40 | dpb__ | `0660: but the earth IS flat.. who's taught you otherwise? ;o |
| 12:55.40 | guardian | advanced search form is fucked up on windows/firefox |
| 12:55.45 | guardian | works on linux/firefox though |
| 12:56.37 | du1 | flat earth - see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth |
| 12:56.57 | guardian | woot, first time i try to access bugs.maemo.org from IE7 |
| 12:57.04 | guardian | it says that the certificate expired or is not valid |
| 12:57.08 | du1 | lol |
| 12:57.11 | guardian | never saw this errror before |
| 12:57.13 | guardian | on any site |
| 12:57.19 | du1 | maybee some MITM is attacking you |
| 12:57.38 | du1 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_in_the_middle |
| 12:57.55 | Veggen | ssl certificates are evil. |
| 12:57.59 | du1 | y |
| 12:58.06 | Veggen | Why can't everyone just be nice instead? |
| 12:58.08 | guardian | yeah |
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| 12:58.15 | guardian | and i hoe the man in the middle gonna fix the bugs also |
| 12:58.18 | guardian | thx you santa |
| 12:58.24 | guardian | hope |
| 12:58.58 | du1 | Once I'll get this 'peer' guy - and then I will reset HIS connection!!!!! |
| 12:59.13 | Veggen | I'm involved in ssl configuration for wap. Specific, a wap banking solution. The bank has a list of around 20 cell phones that has to work. |
| 12:59.31 | Veggen | I think it's pretty much impossbiel. |
| 12:59.34 | Veggen | impossible. |
| 12:59.48 | Veggen | to get everyone working through the same site, with the same certificate. |
| 12:59.51 | du1 | w00t is impossible?? the mission? |
| 12:59.56 | Veggen | yah. |
| 13:00.07 | Veggen | Getting every cell phone to accept the same certificate. |
| 13:00.20 | du1 | why should it be?? ACCEPT */* |
| 13:00.35 | Veggen | on a cell phone? good luck ;) |
| 13:00.44 | Veggen | it's the cell phone end that is the problem. |
| 13:00.52 | gla55_ | would probably need detection of what phone is it asking to give the right to some? |
| 13:00.57 | du1 | are it 20 different phones? |
| 13:01.01 | Veggen | dul: yes. |
| 13:01.06 | du1 | doh.... |
| 13:01.10 | Veggen | 20 different phone types. |
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| 13:01.18 | du1 | that one could get quite tricky... |
| 13:01.23 | gla55_ | Veggen: i can imagine your pain ;) |
| 13:01.58 | du1 | ...so tell 'em new hardware is needed - buy everyone an iphone - write your own firmware - *g* |
| 13:02.13 | du1 | they'll be happy |
| 13:02.35 | gla55_ | what makes you think writing your own firmware for iphone is simple |
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| 13:02.50 | du1 | i don't say it's simple |
| 13:02.59 | du1 | i say it would solve all probs *g* |
| 13:03.02 | gla55_ | telling couple of million banking users to buy a specific phone would be a failure too |
| 13:03.03 | Veggen | dul: The bank has a million customers. |
| 13:03.16 | Veggen | good luck ;) |
| 13:03.48 | du1 | so how will you solve the prob? |
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| 13:04.51 | du1 | does anyone know where the 'startmenu' entries in the n800 are stored?? wanna add one for the fmradio |
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| 13:23.55 | dalibor | hi ... i've got trouble connecting to repository.maemo.org from scratchbox, it tells me temporary failure resolving repository.maemo.org ... what's the reason for that? |
| 13:24.09 | dalibor | command i used was a simple apt-get update |
| 13:24.27 | du1 | is your dns entry right? |
| 13:24.38 | dalibor | my dns entry? |
| 13:24.57 | dalibor | nslookup works in the console outside scratchbox, if you mean that;. |
| 13:25.27 | melmoth | dalibor: this is a big classic |
| 13:25.36 | du1 | ?? |
| 13:25.43 | du1 | now i'm interrested too |
| 13:25.52 | dalibor | good. then i'm looking formward to the classic answer :) |
| 13:25.56 | melmoth | everything is being looked at in /scratchbox/nsswitch.conf (from the machine hosting scratchbox) |
| 13:26.03 | melmoth | be sure there is no mdsn entry for host |
| 13:26.47 | melmoth | sorry its /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 13:26.53 | dalibor | hosts: files dns ? |
| 13:26.58 | melmoth | yep |
| 13:27.02 | melmoth | file dns that should work |
| 13:27.07 | melmoth | file mdns that should not work |
| 13:27.14 | dalibor | no mdns entry there. |
| 13:27.39 | melmoth | then, double check resolv.conf as well (must point), well anything that is related to name resolving |
| 13:27.52 | melmoth | but the trick is, not to dot in on /etc/nsswitch.conf in scratchbox, but in /scratchbox/etc/* from the hosts |
| 13:29.05 | melmoth | by example, i once had an entry in /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf because i was using a vpnc client when i used scratcbox. |
| 13:29.17 | melmoth | i jad no name resolution for monthees untill i understood this was the file to change |
| 13:29.34 | dalibor | hmm ... weird. the /ets/resolv.conf and /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf differ. |
| 13:31.44 | dalibor | yeah, copying /etc/resolv.conf to /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf fixed it, thanks. |
| 13:33.24 | melmoth | you'r welcome :) |
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| 13:41.52 | livingtm | are the mistral repositories still available? |
| 13:42.58 | dalibor | ok ... now ... how do i get the debian stuff from inside scratchbox? |
| 13:43.17 | dalibor | ah, ... i don't. |
| 13:43.20 | dalibor | it's there. |
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| 13:54.52 | dalibor | ok ... onto the next. |
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| 14:03.29 | livingtm | im having dependencie issues i cant seem to correct: "maemo-browser-controls: Depends: libdbus-gl" |
| 14:03.37 | livingtm | libdbus-gl doesnt seem to exist |
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| 14:08.31 | defor^work | anyone have time to help me understand what i really need to do to get started in application development? |
| 14:09.00 | defor^work | i've just got some questions... |
| 14:09.14 | defor^work | that the faqs seem to not directly answer |
| 14:19.12 | `0660 | i don't think anyone has time to help you |
| 14:19.16 | livingtm | is there a way to reset my n770 to factory condition? Ive installed a bnch of 3rd party junk that has my dependencies all screwed up |
| 14:19.21 | `0660 | you could try to just ask though |
| 14:19.33 | `0660 | sometimes people might answer even if they are busy |
| 14:19.41 | `0660 | just like i did now |
| 14:20.07 | livingtm | defor^work, im looking to start developing too, if i can get my 770 back in working order :/ |
| 14:20.36 | sp3000 | livingtm: yeah, you can re-flash it |
| 14:21.04 | livingtm | sp3000 is the utility from nokia's website ? |
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| 14:23.21 | livingtm | found it.. thanks! |
| 14:30.31 | defor^work | hmm |
| 14:30.34 | defor^work | ill ask in a little |
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| 14:33.06 | dalibor | ok, i'm wondering about g_spawn_async_with_pipes |
| 14:33.43 | dalibor | i've got an app doing that, and attaching something to the iochannel for stdout, in order to read from it when the data is output for reading. |
| 14:34.06 | dalibor | trouble is that it seems to wait until the spawned app is done. |
| 14:34.27 | dalibor | which can take 10-20 minutes, to then read all of the output. |
| 14:34.44 | dalibor | any way to make it work more ... uh ... intuitively? |
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| 14:42.38 | Mikho | so what's the difference between "arm" and "armel"? |
| 14:43.03 | Mikho | I can't run any "arm" programs on my nokia 770 because the architecture is "armel" |
| 14:45.15 | zyxulnag1 | yeah you need the armel binaries |
| 14:45.18 | Robot101 | armel is EABI |
| 14:45.28 | zyxulnag1 | or cross compile your code to armel |
| 14:45.53 | Mikho | is it a toolchain issue or a rootstrap issue? |
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| 14:49.23 | zuh | livingtm: libdbus-gl sounds like a truncated version of libdbus-glib-1 (AFAIK there is no such thing as GL bindings to D-Bus ;) |
| 14:50.09 | Mikho | now where did I find the list of rootstrap packages... |
| 14:50.26 | livingtm | zuh just reflashed it :-) |
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| 14:52.31 | Mikho | how do I cross compile it to armel? |
| 14:53.02 | suihkulo1ki | Mikho: by following the maemo tutorial.. |
| 14:53.18 | Mikho | I thought I compiled it to armel already |
| 14:53.41 | suihkulo1ki | then you missed some step |
| 14:54.39 | Mikho | now how did it end up being an arm package... |
| 14:54.59 | Mikho | I have an armel rootstrap, the target's name is SDK-ARMEL... |
| 14:55.41 | Mikho | but it seems there are no armel toolchains |
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| 14:57.23 | suihkulo1ki | my crystal ball says you did not select wrong devkits |
| 14:57.55 | Mikho | that's good |
| 15:00.09 | suihkulo1ki | so your problem should go away be recreating the SDK-ARMEL with sb-menu, and when it asks for devkits, double-check that you select the correct ones |
| 15:00.52 | Mikho | i selected debian-sarge, debian, doctools, perl and cputransp and that's all there is |
| 15:02.09 | Mikho | what's the difference betweel all these cputransparencies? There are qemu-arm-version-sb2 and qemu-armeb-version-sb2 and whatnot |
| 15:03.52 | suihkulo1ki | Mikho: so, why did you select debian-sarge ? the instructions did not say so.. |
| 15:04.06 | suihkulo1ki | (and if they do, it's a bug it should be filed) |
| 15:04.19 | Mikho | because I got lot of nice error messages earlier by not installing something they didn't tell me to |
| 15:05.33 | Mikho | or is it a problem with some of the files sb-menu offers to install? |
| 15:06.02 | Mikho | maybe it overwrites the armel tools with arm ones or sth.. |
| 15:06.52 | Mikho | so is there somethin in debian-sarge that's messing my things? |
| 15:08.23 | suihkulo1ki | yes, debian-sarge does not support armel |
| 15:08.36 | Mikho | oh |
| 15:08.55 | Mikho | so, should I choose arm or armeb as the emulation method? does it make a difference? |
| 15:09.01 | guardian | huho gmane's broken :( |
| 15:09.19 | suihkulo1ki | what does the instructions say? |
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| 15:10.45 | Mikho | it doesn't say anything. sb-menu didn't exist during the creation of that tutorial |
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| 15:13.48 | suihkulo1ki | it's arm then |
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| 15:18.11 | Mikho | checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs. If you menat to cross compile, use '--host'. |
| 15:18.21 | Mikho | but where am I supposed to stick the host |
| 15:18.44 | Veggen | guardian: gmane broken? |
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| 15:19.36 | Veggen | Hmm. the maintainer is 4 days idle on IRC. |
| 15:19.37 | guardian | search.gmane.org gives 404 |
| 15:20.05 | guardian | so does article.gmane.org |
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| 15:23.54 | Gathaja | should con_ic_connection_get_all_iaps(connection) return all the same stuff that can be seen in connection selection dialog? It seems to return only the on that is connected |
| 15:24.11 | Gathaja | *only the one |
| 15:25.38 | Gathaja | like all the different wlan networks that are available |
| 15:26.16 | `0660 | is it possible to scan different networks while being connected to one? |
| 15:28.30 | zuh | Mikho: check config.log for the real error, that usually just means that something is broken in your target setup |
| 15:28.57 | Gathaja | oh, maybe I'll take that connect call away and try then |
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| 15:30.24 | livingtm | which scratchbox toolchain do i want for my n770? |
| 15:32.25 | Mikho | maybe it can't find the emulator software |
| 15:32.43 | Gathaja | still there seems to be only one item on the list that the function returns :/ |
| 15:32.43 | Mikho | which is logical because I didn't include it in the target |
| 15:32.58 | Mikho | because I wanted to cross-compile directly to the n770 |
| 15:33.21 | Mikho | ./configure seems to say the target host is arm, but how do I change it to armel? |
| 15:34.30 | Gathaja | pff, it seems that connections need to be saved |
| 15:34.30 | oil | have someone done a script to make an full backup for n800? I seem to brick my device twise a week and therefore would be nice if the application would be there as well :) |
| 15:35.52 | Mikho | there doesn't seem to be any reference to armel in /scratchbox/compilers/bin/ |
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| 15:38.16 | zuh | Mikho: So is there any reason to try to do things the hard way, instead of just setting up the devkits and CPU transparency properly, after which you can just ./configure && make without having to do magic tricks? |
| 15:38.52 | Mikho | I'm trying to understand this |
| 15:39.17 | zuh | Ok, so you do have a reason :) |
| 15:39.35 | Mikho | If my reason says I don't need emulators if I want a package for the 770 |
| 15:39.58 | Mikho | and still, the tutorial doesn't say anything about installing a cputransp devkit |
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| 15:40.31 | zuh | Maybe because the tutorial is written for scratchbox 0.9.x where such thing didn't exist? |
| 15:40.38 | Mikho | indeed |
| 15:40.59 | Mikho | it's the old tutorial because the new one has tons of broken links :/ |
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| 15:41.53 | zuh | And the old one doesn't help you with newer scratchbox (just confuses things more)... |
| 15:42.04 | Mikho | I'm about to lose all hope |
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| 15:42.48 | zuh | But what's wrong with the target setup portion from the new tutorial? |
| 15:42.53 | Andy^garden | hi :) |
| 15:43.19 | Mikho | I tried installing the transparency and emulator. Got past the last error message but ran into another. Moreover the configure script doesn't think it's cross-compiling :/ |
| 15:43.58 | zuh | It shouldn't think it's cross-compiling, that's the whole point of scratchbox :) |
| 15:44.22 | Mikho | I thought it was a cross-compiling environment |
| 15:45.27 | zuh | It is, but it doesn't tell the configure script that. It fools it to think it's compiling natively. |
| 15:46.13 | zuh | And since configure script tries to compile a test prog and run it, you need to have emulation |
| 15:46.14 | Mikho | the tutorial says something about using sbrsh, hmm |
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| 15:46.55 | zuh | That's only an alternative to qemu, but for 770 it doesn't offer much benefit (you need to setup nfs server etc) |
| 15:47.33 | Mikho | ok |
| 15:47.54 | Mikho | so maybe I'll stick to the emulator |
| 15:48.17 | Mikho | and think about nfs later |
| 15:51.27 | defor^work | so to run cpu transparency on a n800, is it necessary to use the full dev rootfs, or can jus tthe required components be installed on the device? |
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| 15:51.29 | zuh | You can run it with the "consumer" rootfs too, just install sbrshd and set it up (ie. create a simple config file for it) |
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| 15:51.29 | Mikho | wow, now it generated a _armer.deb file! |
| 15:51.29 | Mikho | _armel.deb |
| 15:54.15 | Mikho | great, it works! |
| 15:54.21 | Mikho | thanks for help, everyone! |
| 15:54.56 | Andy^garden | is there any software for maemo that allows me to send images from my phone to n770 via bluetooth? |
| 15:56.32 | guardian | can't you simply use the file manager to access the images on your phone ? |
| 15:56.38 | Mikho | it's just that in linux, you solve problems generally by just installing packages and more packages. It seems you have to be careful not to install the packages that break your system |
| 15:57.28 | Mikho | this time debian-sarge devkit cost me some 4-5 hours of work time |
| 15:57.31 | Andy^garden | guardian, I want to send picturees from my n73 to my n770 |
| 15:58.21 | guardian | don't know never used my tablet with a phone |
| 15:58.45 | guardian | but i assumed that if the tablet's file manager can explore other device's files via bluetooth, then you can copy files from them |
| 16:01.21 | Andy^garden | guardian, ah okok. it's what I need :) |
| 16:01.44 | Mikho | I'd be glad if you could explain one more thing: what is the rootfs for? Would installing it solve the incredible problems in 770 when getting root access, getting sudo to work etc? |
| 16:08.33 | livingtm | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_2.2_Tutorial.html#settingup <-- under "Installing Scratchbox" they tell you to edit .bash_profile, but dont tell you what to put in it! |
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| 16:10.56 | livingtm | that tutorial is totally hosed. its missing all kinds of key information |
| 16:11.00 | livingtm | for instance, they tell you to download the SDK rootstrap, but the lijnk is bad. |
| 16:11.33 | X-Fade_ | livingtm: Please file a bug against the documentation on the website. That way someone can fix it.. |
| 16:11.42 | sp3000 | "Log in to Scratchbox as a normal user with another terminal window using the following command: ]]> " heh |
| 16:12.08 | livingtm | sp3000, EXACTLY. im a first-timer... cant get real for :-) |
| 16:12.09 | livingtm | far |
| 16:13.20 | sp3000 | livingtm: you can use http://test.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/Maemo_tutorial.html |
| 16:13.24 | sp3000 | but yeah, do file bugs |
| 16:13.37 | livingtm | where do i file a bug for that documentation? |
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| 16:14.08 | sp3000 | bugzilla or maemo2midgard on garage? |
| 16:14.48 | sp3000 | bugzilla sucks less but the latter might be right |
| 16:14.56 | X-Fade_ | bugzilla. |
| 16:15.06 | X-Fade_ | It has a special website section.. |
| 16:15.09 | sp3000 | (yay!) |
| 16:15.34 | X-Fade_ | https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=website |
| 16:15.40 | Andy80 | livingtm: I wrote a better, cleaner, working howto for n770 sdk.. but... it's in italian language :( |
| 16:15.44 | X-Fade_ | Component: documentation |
| 16:18.32 | guardian | are the repositories offline ? |
| 16:18.41 | guardian | that's what's being said in the dev ml |
| 16:20.04 | X-Fade_ | Works for me[tm] |
| 16:20.56 | guardian | sure |
| 16:20.58 | guardian | same here :) |
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| 16:23.36 | livingtm | okay, bug filed. |
| 16:24.18 | Mikho | so is that there's no recent version of libc6 for armel? Can't install a number of other software |
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| 16:25.15 | guardian | ah another bug related to the migration |
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| 16:27.13 | guardian | livingtm: you just filed this one ? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1503 |
| 16:28.12 | guardian | i guess it's strongly related to https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1300 |
| 16:29.06 | guardian | bbl |
| 16:43.19 | Mikho | does anybody know what repositories should I insert in the 770 to get new versions on libc6 etc |
| 16:49.45 | mgedmin | ah, apt-get upgrading a new libc6 onto the 770? you must be into extreme sports |
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| 16:53.43 | Mikho | well, it started from wanting to edit sudoers |
| 16:53.59 | Mikho | for that, I needed a text editor so I tried to install nano |
| 16:54.16 | Mikho | but nano requires newer versions of libc6 and libncursesw5 |
| 16:54.38 | mgedmin | do you know how to use vi? |
| 16:54.44 | Mikho | so I tried to install newer versions, but the installation broke the existing ancient libc6 version |
| 16:55.13 | Mikho | no, I absolutely do not. I would rather take the trouble of installing something and updating libraries than learn vi |
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| 17:01.38 | mgedmin | hm |
| 17:01.46 | mgedmin | do you have the latest os image for the 770? |
| 17:02.03 | Mikho | vi might be the antichrist, but seems like I'll have to learn it. Can't get this to work otherwise |
| 17:02.04 | mgedmin | if not, upgrade; if yes, find nano built specifically for your platform |
| 17:02.25 | Mikho | hmm, I believe I have the latest version |
| 17:05.14 | Mikho | several packages want libc6 version >=2.5-5 but I can't find the library anywhere |
| 17:06.05 | mgedmin | where did you find the nano package? |
| 17:06.12 | Mikho | debian.org |
| 17:06.35 | Mikho | found an armel package |
| 17:06.48 | mgedmin | ah, well, hm |
| 17:07.11 | Mikho | I've had a simple "unable to install" message several times now |
| 17:07.17 | mgedmin | in the olden OS2005 times you could take debian arm packages, post-process them with a hammer, and use them on the 770 |
| 17:07.38 | mgedmin | but those times are past... |
| 17:07.47 | Mikho | ah, the old times... |
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| 17:08.06 | mgedmin | do you have a working scratchbox? recompiling a package is sometimes pretty easy |
| 17:08.08 | Mikho | maybe it helps to turn on r&d mode |
| 17:08.13 | mgedmin | no |
| 17:08.49 | Mikho | there was a 2.6 experimental armel libc6, but it just said no |
| 17:09.05 | Mikho | hmm |
| 17:09.22 | mgedmin | hm, http://maemo.org/downloads/product/nano doesn't have any useful links |
| 17:09.27 | Mikho | so if I get libc6 sources, I could compile them for armel and install? |
| 17:09.46 | mgedmin | ahoy, web admins, why is http://wiki.maemo.org/ so useless? |
| 17:09.58 | Mikho | :D |
| 17:10.05 | mgedmin | would it be hard to make it redirect to http://maemo.org/community/wiki/? |
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| 17:11.07 | mgedmin | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/applicationcatalog2006/ has a link to a nano .deb for the 770 |
| 17:11.38 | Mikho | oh, how nice |
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| 17:11.47 | mgedmin | # Repository: http://aeracode.org/maemo |
| 17:11.47 | mgedmin | # Distribution: ./ |
| 17:11.47 | mgedmin | # Component: blank |
| 17:12.23 | mgedmin | it also says "If you get the Error "Error opening terminal: xterm." you need to install the package "ncurses-base"" |
| 17:13.55 | mgedmin | hm, I wonder if that information still works |
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| 17:14.02 | mgedmin | the direct link to the .deb didn't |
| 17:14.36 | Mikho | *sigh* |
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| 17:15.38 | mgedmin | I'll try to make a working .install file |
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| 17:15.53 | Mikho | ha! found it |
| 17:16.00 | Mikho | ... but missing ncurses-base |
| 17:16.11 | mgedmin | doesn't work for me |
| 17:16.20 | mgedmin | it finds the package (and version), then says unable to download |
| 17:17.27 | mgedmin | try #2... |
| 17:17.42 | mgedmin | it's downloading |
| 17:17.52 | Mikho | "unable to update nano" |
| 17:17.58 | mgedmin | Mikho: you can try http://mg.pov.lt/770/nano.install |
| 17:18.17 | mgedmin | it worked on my n800 |
| 17:18.57 | mgedmin | it it works on a 770, I'll try to update the "install now" link on http://maemo.org/downloads/product/nano |
| 17:19.14 | mgedmin | (assuming the admins fixed the problems with garage logins) |
| 17:21.40 | Mikho | "unable to install nano" |
| 17:21.58 | Mikho | could an error message be any more annoying? |
| 17:22.16 | Mikho | I wonder what's wrong |
| 17:22.56 | Mikho | maybe it's the now-broken libc6 |
| 17:23.48 | Mikho | i'll try to repair that tomorrow, time to go home now |
| 17:24.06 | Mikho | thanks again for help |
| 17:25.32 | mgedmin | what does the log say? |
| 17:25.46 | Mikho | log? |
| 17:25.47 | mgedmin | Tools -> Log... |
| 17:25.50 | mgedmin | in the menu |
| 17:26.17 | mgedmin | (the dialog with the stupid error message ought to have a button "Show details" or something, to open and show the log) |
| 17:26.28 | Mikho | oh, there's a log |
| 17:27.07 | Mikho | as I suspected |
| 17:27.13 | Mikho | "libc6 not configured yet" |
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| 17:27.51 | mgedmin | I'd make a backup and reflash if I were you |
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| 17:28.06 | Mikho | I shall do that |
| 17:32.54 | livingtm_ | is gregale for the n800 only |
| 17:32.55 | livingtm_ | ? |
| 17:33.44 | livingtm_ | I just re-flashed my n770, so its running mistral |
| 17:34.05 | livingtm_ | should i be installing a corresponding rootstrap?or upgrade my n770? |
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| 17:35.49 | mgedmin | no, gregale is for the 770 |
| 17:36.31 | livingtm_ | should i update the 770 just like i would a debian box? |
| 17:36.31 | mgedmin | there were three maemo 2 sdk releases (mistral, gregale and scirocco) |
| 17:36.38 | mgedmin | currently you cannot upgrade with apt-get |
| 17:36.54 | mgedmin | you have to make a backup, reflash a newer os image, then restore your data and reinstall extra apps |
| 17:37.08 | mgedmin | here's how the process looks, more or less: http://mg.pov.lt/770/reflash.html |
| 17:37.13 | livingtm_ | where do i get the newer image? |
| 17:37.28 | livingtm_ | when i flashed earlier the newest was mistral |
| 17:37.41 | mgedmin | OS2006.3 is the latest image, and you can get it at http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_770.php |
| 17:37.42 | livingtm_ | earlier = 2 hours ago |
| 17:37.56 | mgedmin | that's an interesting definition of "newest" |
| 17:38.20 | mgedmin | "OS 2006 Edition version 3.2006.49-2" is the newest one |
| 17:38.25 | livingtm_ | well, mistral is the repository, right? |
| 17:38.30 | mgedmin | mistral is the SDK that matches OS 2006 Edition version 1.2006.26-8 |
| 17:38.38 | mgedmin | ah, ignore that |
| 17:38.48 | mgedmin | mistral repositories work for all releases of OS2006 |
| 17:39.02 | mgedmin | packages compiled with gregale/scirrocco sometimes do not work on older OS2006 releases |
| 17:39.08 | livingtm_ | okay im confused. Im used to ubuntu where each repository is a different version of the os |
| 17:39.19 | mgedmin | yes, compared to Ubuntu, maemo is a huge mess :( |
| 17:39.26 | livingtm_ | edgy / fiesty, etc |
| 17:39.29 | livingtm_ | oh opkay |
| 17:39.37 | livingtm_ | as long as i know that they are different :-) |
| 17:39.47 | livingtm_ | so what IS gregale |
| 17:40.03 | livingtm_ | and scirocco |
| 17:40.04 | mgedmin | it's a code name for a SDK release |
| 17:40.08 | mgedmin | also |
| 17:40.19 | mgedmin | there was a glossary on the wiki... |
| 17:41.26 | livingtm_ | okay, well I flashed the device to the latest on the nokia site this morning, so i will install the gregale sdk |
| 17:43.33 | livingtm_ | bora is the n800? |
| 17:45.26 | livingtm_ | yes, I finally clicked on enough links on the website to confirm that |
| 17:57.59 | myren | is there host usb support yet? |
| 17:58.07 | myren | son o fa fucking bitch what the hell is taking host usb |
| 17:58.32 | myren | like i'm gonna buy your device if it wont talk to any other devices |
| 17:59.19 | mgedmin | um |
| 17:59.29 | mgedmin | did you buy it already? |
| 17:59.31 | gla55 | most pda's don't do host.. |
| 18:00.08 | myren | i have not purchased it |
| 18:00.16 | myren | still waiting for usb host. |
| 18:00.52 | `0660 | be patient |
| 18:01.22 | myren | gla55: the thing is, i dont look at a n800 as buying a pda, i look at it as buying a small computer |
| 18:01.55 | mgedmin | doesn't the lack of a VGA OUT discourage you? |
| 18:01.58 | gla55 | it's so good that you're pissed off that it's not a laptop? |
| 18:02.08 | mgedmin | or a built-in DVD-ROM drive? |
| 18:02.23 | myren | i've never owned a laptop with removable media drives |
| 18:02.46 | myren | gla55: usb host is a standard feature on every embedded platform i have ever seen |
| 18:03.04 | myren | its about the bare minimum required ot connect a device to the ecosystem of other devices and peripherials which exist in the world |
| 18:03.21 | myren | its not that its not a laptop |
| 18:03.21 | konttori | I thought it was possible to just reflash the kernel to support usb host |
| 18:03.37 | `0660 | i think myren wants it out of the box |
| 18:03.37 | myren | its that the n800 will not play with the millions of usb devices that make up the computing ecosystem |
| 18:03.42 | mgedmin | there were experimental kernels with usb-host support, but I didn't see a complete success story yet |
| 18:03.42 | myren | i'm willing to reflash |
| 18:03.51 | Andy80 | mgedmin: what are the differences between rootstrap and rootfs in the SDK 2.2 ? What do I need to install in my scratchbox? both? |
| 18:04.05 | myren | indeed, its hte lack of happy endings from the reflashers tahts still keeping me from buying |
| 18:04.19 | Mikho | Andy80, tell me if you find out |
| 18:04.43 | mgedmin | Andy80: AFAIU rootfs is the thing you flash onto the actual device (in addition to the kernel, bootloader and initrd), while rootstrap is the thing you install inside an empty scratchbox target |
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| 18:05.24 | konttori | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/21371 |
| 18:05.30 | Andy80 | mgedmin: so I don't need this http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d2.php?f=Maemo_Dev_Platform_rootfs_Nokia_Binaries_v2.2.tar.gz to develop applications in my scratchbox... |
| 18:05.38 | gla55 | usbhost is however pretty much nonexistant in any comparable to 770/800 devices.. |
| 18:05.44 | mgedmin | Andy80: ah, that one? you may need that |
| 18:05.51 | konttori | that link contains usb host patch |
| 18:06.31 | mgedmin | Andy80: I think those are the closed-source binaries taken from the rootfs that previously were included directly in the rootstrap in older versions of maemo SKDs |
| 18:06.34 | mgedmin | err SDKs |
| 18:06.40 | Andy80 | mgedmin: yes, that one. I was referring to this two files: Maemo_Dev_Platform_rootfs_Nokia_Binaries_v2.2.tar.gz and Maemo_Dev_Platform_rootstrap_Nokia_Binaries_v2.2.tar.gz |
| 18:06.46 | konttori | apparently after that, it's also powered |
| 18:06.57 | mgedmin | oh? now I'm confused |
| 18:06.59 | mgedmin | I don't know |
| 18:07.12 | Andy80 | mgedmin: these one: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d2.php :) |
| 18:07.16 | myren | what is the EFIS project? |
| 18:07.22 | mgedmin | Andy80: try reading the documentation :-) |
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| 18:08.03 | Andy80 | mgedmin: I was trying to do it :P but the tutorial is very very (someone help me to say "very") bad written ;) |
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| 18:09.08 | livingtm_ | I am following http://test.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/Maemo_tutorial.html#settingup but am not able to get xephyr to start. "Xephyr cannot open host display. Is DISPLAY set?" |
| 18:09.19 | livingtm_ | is that DISPLAY internal to scratchbox? |
| 18:09.44 | mgedmin | ah, well, the last 2.x SDK I installed was 2.1, and it didn't have a separate Nokia_Binaries tarball |
| 18:10.56 | Andy80 | mgedmin: last time I installed there were two separate tgz, one for platform: i386 and armel |
| 18:11.15 | Andy80 | mgedmin: two different rootstrap I mean |
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| 18:17.27 | livingtm_ | is DISPLAY suposed to be set to :2 as in the tutorial, or is it supposed to be the same as my main X display? |
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| 19:08.28 | zuh | livingtm_: Yes. ( DISPLAY=:0 Xephyr :2, the first is where the Xephyr connects to and the second is where the clients for the Xephyr connect to) |
| 19:08.58 | livingtm_ | zuh, i cant get xephyr to start |
| 19:09.26 | livingtm_ | zuh, Xephyr cannot open host display. Is DISPLAY set? |
| 19:11.15 | livingtm_ | xephyr should be started outside of scratchbox? |
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| 19:15.43 | livingtm_ | http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2006-June/004461.html seems to have a solution, but xephyr wont start for me unless i set DISPLAY=:0 |
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| 19:21.51 | zuh | Yes, and after that you can set it to whatever the Xephyr provides (in the example :2) |
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| 20:19.50 | livingtm_ | When I run af-sb-init.sh it says "failed to connect to 0:0" even though DISPLAY=:2 |
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| 20:22.43 | tigert | did you export it? |
| 20:23.01 | livingtm_ | i ran "export DISPLAY=:2" |
| 20:23.17 | tigert | on the same sbox shell you run the af-sb-init in? |
| 20:23.23 | livingtm_ | yes |
| 20:23.35 | tigert | echo $DISPLAY |
| 20:23.36 | tigert | ? |
| 20:24.07 | tigert | what does it print? |
| 20:24.45 | livingtm_ | http://www.pastebin.ca/537680 |
| 20:26.26 | livingtm_ | :2 |
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| 20:27.47 | livingtm_ | Im confused because i am following http://test.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/Maemo_tutorial.html#settingup but i couldnt get xephyr to run, and i found a post that says it is supposed to run OUTSIDE the scratchbox, and then it does run |
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| 20:30.04 | tigert | yeah |
| 20:30.17 | livingtm_ | tigert, yeah? |
| 20:30.17 | tigert | run it outside |
| 20:30.19 | livingtm_ | ok |
| 20:30.33 | livingtm_ | tigert, the tutorial wasnt clear on that.. but im with you so far |
| 20:30.37 | tigert | tigert@kryptonite:~$ cat bin/start-xephyr.sh |
| 20:30.38 | tigert | #!/bin/sh -e |
| 20:30.38 | tigert | prefix=/scratchbox/users/${LOGNAME}/targets/770_PC/usr |
| 20:30.38 | tigert | export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=${prefix}/lib; export LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 20:30.38 | tigert | exec ${prefix}/bin/Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 800x480x16 -dpi 96 -ac |
| 20:31.00 | tigert | you need to set your prefix to whatever your target is I guess |
| 20:31.06 | tigert | and this is way old thingy on my machine |
| 20:31.08 | livingtm_ | yep did that |
| 20:31.17 | tigert | so |
| 20:31.23 | tigert | you have xephyr window open? |
| 20:31.31 | livingtm_ | so i ran that script with :2 and the xephyr window opens |
| 20:31.45 | livingtm_ | then i start scratchbox and export DISPLAY=:2 |
| 20:32.01 | livingtm_ | then i run af-sb-init.sh start, and it fails with the errors in the pastebin |
| 20:32.24 | tigert | if you open a shell, |
| 20:32.26 | tigert | outside sbox |
| 20:32.34 | tigert | and say export DISPLAY=:2 |
| 20:32.37 | tigert | and run xterm or something |
| 20:32.42 | tigert | does it open inside xephyr? |
| 20:33.03 | livingtm_ | yes! |
| 20:33.14 | tigert | and your sbox is in the same machine |
| 20:33.18 | tigert | and not in vmware or something? |
| 20:33.19 | livingtm_ | yes |
| 20:33.21 | livingtm_ | right |
| 20:33.51 | tigert | try export DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:2 |
| 20:33.59 | tigert | though :2 should work too |
| 20:34.00 | livingtm_ | inside? |
| 20:34.04 | tigert | in sbox yes |
| 20:34.29 | tigert | though the cat: /home//.osso/current-gtk-theme: No such file or directory confuses me a bit |
| 20:34.32 | tigert | something else is weird too |
| 20:34.44 | tigert | your username is not set correctly or something like that |
| 20:34.52 | tigert | but I wonder if that could cause X to not work |
| 20:34.56 | tigert | maybe it does |
| 20:35.06 | livingtm_ | nope, that didnt work |
| 20:35.11 | livingtm_ | i get s segfault |
| 20:36.55 | xan | are you running scratchbox as root? |
| 20:37.03 | livingtm_ | no im not |
| 20:37.23 | livingtm_ | i just run /scratchbox/login |
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| 20:37.43 | tigert | what target is this? |
| 20:38.08 | livingtm_ | SDK_PC |
| 20:38.21 | livingtm_ | Im trying to follow http://test.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/Maemo_tutorial.html#settingup |
| 20:38.52 | xan | it's somehow failing to get the info for your user |
| 20:38.54 | livingtm_ | but it doesnt match exactly. For instance, i set up the target via menu's rather than the command line like they show |
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| 20:39.25 | xan | you have "sb-conf" ? |
| 20:39.39 | livingtm_ | yes |
| 20:39.55 | xan | do sb-conf install --etc (or sb-conf --install etc, I forgot) |
| 20:39.59 | guardian | are you using gregale or bora ? |
| 20:40.22 | guardian | and why don't you just use the install scripts that are provided with sdk releases ? |
| 20:40.52 | guardian | manual install won't get you that far since you creating the virtual packages by hand for what's provided by scratchbox is a big hassle |
| 20:40.58 | guardian | -you |
| 20:41.45 | livingtm_ | gregale |
| 20:42.08 | livingtm_ | guardian, all i have to go by are the tutorials on maemo.org. Im obviously very new at this :-) |
| 20:42.26 | livingtm_ | icf theres an easier way im all ears |
| 20:42.44 | xan | livingtm_, sb-conf install --etc should really fix it |
| 20:44.09 | guardian | ah sorry, indeed gregale is manual install |
| 20:44.52 | livingtm_ | http://www.pastebin.ca/537738 |
| 20:45.54 | xan | do restart instead of start? |
| 20:46.14 | xan | or use 127.0.0.1:2 as tigert said |
| 20:46.25 | livingtm_ | AH that worked |
| 20:46.28 | livingtm_ | restart did it |
| 20:46.49 | livingtm_ | so what happened? |
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| 20:47.18 | xan | the installation wasn't finished... and for the restart, your session was broken :) |
| 20:47.21 | xan | going to bed, bye |
| 20:47.26 | livingtm_ | xan thanks! |
| 20:50.23 | livingtm_ | in the UI, are all of the menu's supposed to be empty, or are the applications all supposed to be there? |
| 20:50.39 | tigert | the sdk is empty |
| 20:50.43 | tigert | just controlpanel and maemopad |
| 20:50.52 | livingtm_ | tigert, okay, then Im good :-) |
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| 20:56.36 | tigert | yeah |
| 20:56.50 | livingtm_ | can I run svn from within sbox? |
| 20:56.58 | tigert | you probably should not |
| 20:57.31 | livingtm_ | okay so I would need to get out of sbox, svn the sourcecode into my sbox user directory? |
| 20:57.45 | tigert | just do everything outside (ln -s //scratchbox/users/yourlogin/home/yourlogin/ ~/sbhome/ |
| 20:57.50 | tigert | ) |
| 20:57.55 | tigert | oops the double // |
| 20:58.16 | tigert | but just do a symlink or such to the sbox homedir so you can go there easily |
| 20:58.28 | tigert | ie, have two terms open |
| 20:58.36 | livingtm_ | cool |
| 20:58.39 | tigert | and one runs sbox and another normal shell in the same folder |
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| 20:58.42 | guardian | i don't use a symlink |
| 20:58.46 | tigert | I guess there are ways to do it otherwise too |
| 20:58.47 | guardian | i rather mount bind |
| 20:59.01 | livingtm_ | its starting to make sense :-) |
| 20:59.13 | guardian | nothing |
| 20:59.13 | tigert | dns seems to cause problem for me |
| 20:59.21 | guardian | ah maybe on late ubuntus |
| 20:59.22 | tigert | and its been a while I figured this out last time |
| 20:59.27 | guardian | edit /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 20:59.36 | guardian | so that hosts is only file dns |
| 20:59.46 | guardian | and also edit /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf to match the host |
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| 21:01.16 | livingtm_ | tigert, ahh yeah that worked much better outside :-) |
| 21:01.28 | livingtm_ | now why was I able to even RUN svn from wtihin scratchbox? |
| 21:01.44 | tigert | guardian: thanks |
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| 21:01.52 | tigert | livingtm_: it has svn |
| 21:02.02 | livingtm_ | okay, so it wasnt running the SVN off of my host |
| 21:02.04 | guardian | np |
| 21:02.07 | tigert | but outside you have all your usual tools anyway |
| 21:02.31 | livingtm_ | so it is a sandbox... cant get out from within? |
| 21:03.01 | guardian | well what's the difference ? |
| 21:03.09 | guardian | running svn from outside scratchbox or from inside |
| 21:03.31 | livingtm_ | im just saying... conceptually... its a sandbox, right? |
| 21:03.36 | guardian | provided the files are checked out in /scratchbox/users/livngtm/home/livingtm/some_svn_project |
| 21:03.53 | guardian | well it's just that i don't think it comes with svn inside scratchbox |
| 21:03.59 | guardian | but you must have wget, and apt-get works |
| 21:04.04 | guardian | so technically you can get out |
| 21:04.24 | tigert | there is svn binary inside |
| 21:04.29 | guardian | ah i did not know that |
| 21:04.30 | livingtm_ | guardian, well, svn ran... so eithe rits running svn off my host uuntu installation, or scratchbox comes with svn |
| 21:04.34 | guardian | never used it from the inside i guess |
| 21:04.35 | tigert | [sbox-BORA_PC: ~] > which svn |
| 21:04.35 | tigert | /scratchbox/tools/bin/svn |
| 21:04.41 | tigert | but it might be old etc |
| 21:04.48 | livingtm_ | ok cool. |
| 21:04.56 | tigert | svn, version 1.1.4 (r13838) |
| 21:04.59 | guardian | and i'm not on a computer that has scratchbox installed :) |
| 21:05.02 | tigert | vs svn, version 1.3.2 (r19776) |
| 21:05.05 | tigert | on my ubuntu |
| 21:05.24 | tigert | just do everything you can outside |
| 21:05.27 | tigert | and test things inside |
| 21:05.39 | tigert | you have your editors and coding environment outside anyway |
| 21:06.09 | guardian | and if you like emacs or vim, you may like thain's excellent encode tool |
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| 21:06.14 | guardian | encode.sourceforge.net |
| 21:06.18 | guardian | i personally find it very handy |
| 21:07.08 | tigert | nice |
| 21:07.16 | livingtm_ | what editors/ide's work well for you? |
| 21:07.39 | tigert | inkscape and gimp work for me :) |
| 21:07.48 | guardian | livingtm_: just mentioned it, encode |
| 21:07.56 | guardian | i once tried laika eclipse plugin |
| 21:08.13 | livingtm_ | ah ok |
| 21:08.20 | guardian | but did not like it much, and at the time there was a bug that messed up other projects in the workspace, the projects that were not maemo related |
| 21:08.31 | guardian | maybe it's cool for debugging though, never tried |
| 21:08.53 | livingtm_ | i was playing with eclipse and kdevelop, but i havent used either very intensely |
| 21:08.59 | guardian | i should learn more gdb voodoo from vi |
| 21:13.28 | livingtm_ | Okay, so the next step... I just build maemopad and created a .deb. So if i understand this correct, i just built it for the PC target, and its no good for the n770 |
| 21:14.31 | guardian | switch to the armel target |
| 21:14.33 | guardian | build the package |
| 21:14.38 | guardian | works for the 770 |
| 21:14.46 | livingtm_ | cool |
| 21:15.03 | livingtm_ | so we're not emulating the 770 |
| 21:15.14 | livingtm_ | we just have a nice little environment to test in |
| 21:18.03 | tigert | yeah |
| 21:18.20 | tigert | hmm |
| 21:19.30 | guardian | well |
| 21:19.44 | tigert | it emulates the cpu with qemu |
| 21:19.46 | guardian | i guess you configured your armel target with qemu |
| 21:19.48 | guardian | so it emulates |
| 21:19.52 | tigert | but stuff like bluetooth etc do not work |
| 21:19.55 | guardian | since it runs the hildon application framework |
| 21:20.00 | tigert | like you would expect in an emulator |
| 21:20.07 | tigert | as far as I know |
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| 21:20.26 | guardian | yeah |
| 21:20.34 | guardian | never tried bluetooth on the tablet |
| 21:20.48 | livingtm_ | the tutorial give two options for cross compiling.. qemu and using "a real armel device".. whic hdo you guys recommend |
| 21:20.54 | guardian | but coding bluetooth stuff for windows mobile was painful |
| 21:21.08 | guardian | the two available bluetooth stacks are buggy beats |
| 21:21.10 | guardian | beasts |
| 21:21.33 | livingtm_ | guardian, i can imagine. just the little bit Ive fooled with blues to get my earpiece working in linux was time consuming |
| 21:22.06 | guardian | i just use qemu, and debug in the i386 target if needed |
| 21:22.24 | guardian | last time i tried to setup cpu transparency with sbrsh it was a complete failure and waste of time :) |
| 21:22.36 | tigert | hmm |
| 21:22.42 | livingtm_ | can i compile right on the 770? :-) |
| 21:22.46 | guardian | but never tried with bora nor gregale |
| 21:22.50 | guardian | it was at the sbox 0.9.8 time |
| 21:23.02 | guardian | :) |
| 21:23.05 | tigert | looks like a lot of things are missing (theme selector) |
| 21:23.18 | tigert | darn. need to talk to mdk at work tomorrow |
| 21:23.28 | guardian | livingtm_: you mean running the toolchain from the 770 ? there is no point doing it |
| 21:23.56 | livingtm_ | okay. ill stick with the tutorials then :-) |
| 21:23.57 | guardian | compiling takes time and resources, that's what cross compiling is for |
| 21:24.09 | guardian | there is no point deploying a toolchain on any embedded devce |
| 21:24.33 | livingtm_ | figured it might be as easy as copying th esource over and running make :-) |
| 21:29.25 | livingtm_ | hmm, setting up the SDK_ARMEL target.. I dont have any options in the "CPU Transparency" question |
| 21:30.10 | guardian | you should install the packages i guess |
| 21:30.31 | livingtm_ | which packages? I dont see any package with "qemu-arm" in it |
| 21:30.31 | guardian | there are additional packages for toolchains and transparency |
| 21:33.19 | livingtm_ | guardian, the only one that jumps out at me is "scratchbox-devkit-cputransp" which has already been installed |
| 21:33.47 | guardian | i'm sorry i don't have my linux box at hand :/ |
| 21:34.38 | guardian | maybe you gonna find more info here: http://repository.maemo.org/stable/gregale/INSTALL.txt |
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| 21:43.15 | livingtm_ | guardian, hmm, I've installed every package they mention in that INSTALL.txt. Still no CPU Transparency options |
| 21:43.36 | guardian | :/ |
| 21:43.42 | guardian | cant tell you more right now sorry |
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| 23:11.22 | livingtm | In this tutorial http://test.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/Maemo_tutorial.html#settingup under "building for ARMEL" step 5, im not getting the same options that are shown in the tutorial |
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