| 00:06.04 | dalibor | there is no qt2hildon tool, per chance? |
| 00:06.24 | neostrider | not really |
| 00:06.31 | neostrider | i guess it will be |
| 00:06.40 | neostrider | it will *never be |
| 00:06.46 | neostrider | too diferent stuff |
| 00:07.16 | dalibor | ok. is there a way to use some gtk gui designer thingy with hildon? |
| 00:09.21 | dalibor | i.e. ... glade |
| 00:14.10 | dalibor | ah .. gazpacho |
| 00:16.31 | neostrider | yes |
| 00:16.40 | neostrider | glade and gazpacho ;-O |
| 00:16.42 | neostrider | =-P |
| 00:16.47 | neostrider | hildon is made with GTK |
| 00:16.53 | neostrider | and there is a plugin for those |
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| 00:59.19 | unique311 | gazpacho and glade makes life easier? |
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| 07:16.09 | Gathaja | would someone here know how I can interpret guint value that con_ic_statistics_event_get_signal_strength returns? |
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| 07:31.53 | Gathaja | how could I get my hands on the wlan access points that the n800 sees? |
| 07:32.17 | Gathaja | to get signal strengths and stuff |
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| 07:39.55 | tigert | iwconfig? |
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| 07:50.30 | AD-N770 | good morning |
| 07:53.11 | Gathaja | morning |
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| 07:56.30 | Gathaja | tigert: thanks |
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| 08:01.13 | guardian_ | morning maemo |
| 08:02.10 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 08:05.51 | du1 | hi there |
| 08:05.58 | du1 | how are you?? |
| 08:10.28 | du1 | somebody who could maybe help me?? |
| 08:10.33 | du1 | i try apt-get install $(echo $(apt-cache search sink | cut -f1 -d\ ;apt-cache search alsa | cut -f1 -d\ )) |
| 08:10.47 | du1 | and get: libgstreamer0.10-dev: Depends: pkg-config but it is not installable |
| 08:10.58 | du1 | where do i get pkg-config?? |
| 08:11.38 | du1 | apt-get install pkg-config tells me: Package pkg-config is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
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| 08:14.15 | du1 | my apt sources: https://www.securepaste.com/decrypt_data.php?id=dp3NzhcE6&password=bud |
| 08:16.31 | du1 | apt-get update is complaining about some signatures (line 23 & 24) - see https://www.securepaste.com/decrypt_data.php?id=5UPbu3y49Cn&password=bud |
| 08:16.53 | du1 | anyone able to help me?? |
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| 08:21.27 | guardian | du1 how did you install maemo sdk rootstraps ? |
| 08:21.29 | guardian | manually? |
| 08:21.54 | guardian | and which version, gregale ? bora ? |
| 08:22.06 | du1 | the one you want?!?! |
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| 08:23.05 | mikkoh | hi, what is the best way to play audio with very low latency on n800? like effects in a game or click sound when tapping the screen? |
| 08:23.20 | du1 | gstreamer |
| 08:23.23 | du1 | interface |
| 08:23.32 | du1 | that is what nokia wants you to use |
| 08:24.17 | du1 | quite helpfull when starting off with gstreamer: http://mirror.linux.org.au/pub/linux.conf.au/2007/video/talks/272.pdf |
| 08:24.26 | mikkoh | gstreamer takes something like 2 secs to start the pipeline, dunno what Im doing wrong |
| 08:24.44 | mikkoh | ok thanks Ill take a look |
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| 08:27.03 | Gathaja | pff, I tried to make a deb package from wirelesstools but doesn't seem to work |
| 08:28.54 | Jaffa | Hmm, Foleo looks interesting. |
| 08:32.36 | gla55_ | not to me |
| 08:32.44 | gla55_ | certainly not a palm saver |
| 08:33.50 | du1 | Jaffa: use the handwriting-recognition |
| 08:34.09 | du1 | but first teach him your own symbols (clear all other definitions first) |
| 08:34.11 | du1 | works well! |
| 08:34.59 | Jaffa | Not for me :-/ |
| 08:35.10 | du1 | ;) |
| 08:35.16 | Jaffa | It's a very nice entertainment device but that's harder to justify to the wife ;) |
| 08:35.18 | gla55_ | Jaffa: i view foleo as a limited subnotebook, but a subnotebook anyhow, which puts it to different category than 770/800.. in my view |
| 08:36.15 | du1 | i really like the possibility to open up the xterm on the n800, ssh home and do some stuff to pass the time during meetings *g* |
| 08:36.33 | du1 | excuse my bad english btw |
| 08:37.49 | Jaffa | gla55_: indeed, but the mistake many manufacturers make (and Nokia's made in some of its statements) is assuming that consumers don't have to settle on one device in the category which best meets their needs and instead will buy one device from each category, eg. PDA, Internet Tablet, Smartphone, Laptop, Desktop |
| 08:38.30 | gla55_ | Jaffa: yeah but foleo is in the smallish laptop category |
| 08:38.43 | gla55_ | well |
| 08:38.56 | gla55_ | i just don't see it selling like hotcakes and saving palm |
| 08:38.57 | Jaffa | And, if nothing else, it looks more interestingly hackable with "proper" USB, VGA out. Much easier to hack on the move. |
| 08:39.01 | koen | The foleo would be usefull for me, e.g. for trips I don't want to lug around a macbook pro |
| 08:39.25 | gla55_ | ~12" laptops aren't that much more expensive than foleo |
| 08:39.47 | Jaffa | gla55_: yeah, it's a different product category, but it's targetted at the same people (big screen, internet on the move) at a similar price. |
| 08:39.55 | gla55_ | the pepperpad laptop version would be nice to try |
| 08:40.09 | Jaffa | Is there one? |
| 08:40.16 | gla55_ | on their pages yes |
| 08:40.30 | gla55_ | but it's not on sale yet/currently it seems |
| 08:40.32 | du1 | what about UMPC's like the Sony Vaio U-Series?? |
| 08:40.45 | gla55_ | du1: they tend to cost 2k+ |
| 08:41.17 | gla55_ | Jaffa: http://www.pepper.com/solutions/web-devices.html at the bottom.. seems like they try to pitch it to oems |
| 08:41.39 | du1 | but some ppl have to think thei're worth it... ;) |
| 08:42.02 | gla55_ | du1: yes but they're in entirely different category because of the price |
| 08:42.08 | gla55_ | 4 times more expensive |
| 08:42.27 | gla55_ | 4 times more expensive wouldn't matter if it was 100->400, but 500->2k.. |
| 08:43.07 | Jaffa | gla55_: looks very interesting |
| 08:43.11 | du1 | ultra small, ultra mobile, ultra powersaving, ultra ultra...... |
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| 08:43.18 | koen | Jaffa: I suspect the foleo is even more closed-source than the n800 |
| 08:44.16 | gla55_ | i would think so as well |
| 08:44.19 | Jaffa | koen: is that possible? ;-) Admittedly, I wouldn't expect Palm to change overnight, these things take time... |
| 08:44.25 | gla55_ | i dunno why they're sitting on the specs of the thing |
| 08:44.27 | Jaffa | But you're probably right. |
| 08:44.33 | gla55_ | Jaffa: apparently foleo has a cf slot inside it |
| 08:44.44 | koen | gla55_: _under_ the battery :( |
| 08:44.49 | Jaffa | One of the articles said "open to third pary developers", but I can't find anything about that |
| 08:44.55 | gla55_ | yeah |
| 08:45.56 | gla55_ | no info about that really, so currently it's like jobs's "omg 3rd party devs just suck but there will be 3rd party support sometime eventually" with iphone |
| 08:46.00 | du1 | so what are the technical specs from the foleo about? |
| 08:46.08 | du1 | can't find em |
| 08:46.12 | gla55_ | du1: if you find anything concrete let me know too |
| 08:46.19 | gla55_ | the launch was a joke from that aspect |
| 08:46.26 | Jaffa | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2494029776.html |
| 08:47.21 | Jaffa | With a 1024x768 screen, ditching the Palm environment and running xfce is a real possibility (unlike on the N800 which needs a custom UI IMNSHO) |
| 08:47.57 | gla55_ | perhaps |
| 08:48.11 | gla55_ | that linuxdevices article is as vague as others about specs |
| 08:48.38 | solmumaha | http://eugenia.blogsome.com/2007/05/30/palm-foleo-vs-nokia-n800/ |
| 08:48.48 | gla55_ | this is all very strange as they got mhz etc etc specs for the other palm devices in marketing pages.. |
| 08:49.27 | guardian | 5 hours |
| 08:49.30 | guardian | even with full wifi |
| 08:49.35 | guardian | smells like marketing bullshit |
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| 08:50.19 | gla55_ | something like htc athena but with linux would be nice |
| 08:50.50 | gla55_ | (magnetic attaching keyboard and shit) |
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| 09:00.56 | du1 | f*** |
| 09:01.04 | du1 | where do i get make for the n800?? |
| 09:01.12 | du1 | i'm on it via ssh |
| 09:01.20 | du1 | tried to make espeak |
| 09:01.28 | du1 | doesn't know make |
| 09:01.37 | du1 | apt-get install make tells me: |
| 09:01.47 | du1 | Package make is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
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| 09:03.53 | du1 | maybe i got rid of too much... just re-flashed it to orig-state |
| 09:04.37 | du1 | my n800lite command so far: |
| 09:04.51 | du1 | apt-get -y --force-yes remove $(echo $(dpkg --get-selections *chess* *mahjo* *block* *marbl* *brows* *email* *voip-* *rss-f* *age-v* *agevi* *iapla* *filem* *dress* *al-se* *clock* *lcula* *isear* *vitat* *et-ra* *teach* osso-he* | cut -f1)) |
| 09:05.26 | X-Fade_ | du1: The default image has no support for compiling your own things. That is what the SDK is for. |
| 09:06.03 | du1 | so i have to compile in the sbox and then carry the binary over to the n800 ?? |
| 09:06.21 | du1 | because i already compiled it in the sbox - where it worked as espected |
| 09:06.27 | X-Fade_ | That is the recommended way.. |
| 09:06.46 | du1 | than reflashing was for nothing - doh |
| 09:07.11 | X-Fade_ | Make sure you compile the binary for ARM though.. |
| 09:07.30 | du1 | can i use the real n800 processor for compiling (my armel-target in the sbox must use a emulated arm - does it???) |
| 09:07.47 | du1 | bcause my pc got an x86 chip |
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| 09:08.57 | du1 | or does the emulated arm work 100%?? |
| 09:09.42 | du1 | please excuse my n00bish questions |
| 09:09.44 | X-Fade_ | You can just crosscompile on x86 for arm.. |
| 09:10.50 | du1 | so i can use my armel-target inside the sbox and compile 'native' ?? |
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| 09:11.55 | X-Fade_ | du1: Just check your binary with 'file' to see if it worked ;) |
| 09:12.41 | du1 | [sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~/espeak-1.25-source/src] > file speak |
| 09:12.41 | du1 | speak: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.4.17, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped |
| 09:12.56 | zuh | For just compiling you don't need the emulation. If the build system of the project tries to run the compiled binaries however, you will need emulation (qemu) or remote execution (sbrsh). |
| 09:13.19 | du1 | ok |
| 09:13.31 | du1 | this is the case for what for example?? |
| 09:14.24 | zuh | For example anything using gtk-doc |
| 09:14.42 | du1 | ok |
| 09:14.44 | du1 | thx |
| 09:14.46 | du1 | off current discussion topic: do i see that right? : i can only manually-update the repository's in the application manager when taken the red pill??? |
| 09:14.47 | zuh | It compiles a scanner and executes that |
| 09:14.52 | du1 | y |
| 09:15.52 | inz | du1, you can update with blue pill too |
| 09:16.32 | du1 | when in red pill i have a green update symbol in the lower right corner |
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| 09:17.58 | inz | du1, it's in the menu in blue pill mode |
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| 09:20.52 | du1 | XFade_; seems to work with the scratchboxbinary - thanks |
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| 09:28.44 | X-Fade_ | du1: Nice ;) |
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| 10:51.38 | mikkoh | hmm I wonder why gst_element_seek_simple jusst hangs.. the stream should be seekable. |
| 10:55.13 | X-Fade_ | mikkoh: try gst debugging options? |
| 10:55.58 | X-Fade_ | Just run your app with --gst-debug-level=2 or 3? |
| 10:56.25 | pna | is stage.maemo.org down? cannot checkout sources |
| 10:56.38 | mikkoh | works fine on scrachbox, hangs on hw |
| 10:57.03 | mikkoh | how do i install debug libs to n800? |
| 10:57.35 | X-Fade_ | with apt-get. There are -dbg packages in the repository.. |
| 10:58.03 | mikkoh | hmm how did i miss those.. well thanks :) |
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| 11:02.06 | pna | aaarghh stage.maemo.org :'( |
| 11:02.36 | pna | hehe back up and running |
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| 11:31.15 | mikkoh | X-Fade_: which repository? cannot find -dbg of tools, plugins base nor libgstreame in repository.maemo.org |
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| 11:44.56 | Gathaja | hmm, when I run my program on hw it gives a warning "invalid cast from ConIcStatisticsEvent to ConIcEvent." after con_ic_connection_statistics call. That doesn't appear on matchbox. The callback functions should be okay, can't understand what's wrong |
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| 11:45.24 | X-Fade_ | mikkoh: hmm weid, I can find them for plugins-good, but not for base. |
| 11:47.24 | grumpy | hey! |
| 11:47.24 | grumpy | i installed maemo 3.1 and installed the armel dev rootstrap |
| 11:47.24 | grumpy | now i wanted to compile the gtk hello world example |
| 11:47.25 | grumpy | it doesnt work, and i can not install the libgtk2.0-dev |
| 11:48.02 | grumpy | because it can not install the pkg-config package. are there sources i have to add so it can find the package? |
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| 11:52.17 | timeless | cute, i don't have pkg-config either in my sardine reference |
| 11:54.31 | grumpy | i actually have the pkg-config program, but the package is not available |
| 11:55.14 | timeless | well, i only have sources for packages, and i don't have any package by that name |
| 11:55.29 | dpb_ | scratchbox provides pkg-config |
| 11:55.29 | timeless | even though virtually all the packages depend on that package explicitly |
| 11:55.41 | timeless | dpb: too bad i'm not using scratchbox :) |
| 11:55.48 | grumpy | how do i get the gtk+ and other header files |
| 11:56.05 | dpb_ | timeless: ;) |
| 11:56.24 | timeless | dpb: you can see the sardine entry near the bottom of my computer's root page |
| 11:56.52 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:56.55 | timeless | is available in sardine |
| 11:57.00 | timeless | i clearly used apt-get source |
| 11:57.11 | timeless | not sure how you'd want to do it |
| 11:57.24 | timeless | what is *hosting* your maemo3.1 thingy? |
| 11:57.30 | timeless | are you running it on an n800? |
| 11:57.30 | grumpy | a working apt-get would be cool :-( |
| 11:57.52 | timeless | deb http://repository.maemo.org/sardine unstable main non-free |
| 11:57.52 | timeless | deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/sardine unstable main non-free |
| 11:57.54 | grumpy | ubuntu edgy, want to compile for n800 |
| 11:58.05 | grumpy | its a 3.1 bora rootstrap |
| 11:58.11 | timeless | and you're using scratchbox? |
| 11:58.29 | timeless | which version of scratchbox and did you tell it you wanted the debian devkit? |
| 11:59.04 | timeless | libgtk2.0-0 2:2.10.12-0osso3 |
| 11:59.07 | grumpy | i used the install script from the hp. debian dev kit is installed |
| 11:59.41 | grumpy | oh the package is installed, you are right |
| 11:59.52 | grumpy | but still pkg-config complains it can not handle it |
| 12:00.06 | timeless | [sbox-x86: ~] > dpkg -l pkg-config |
| 12:00.06 | timeless | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| 12:00.06 | timeless | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 12:00.06 | timeless | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
| 12:00.06 | timeless | ||/ Name Version Description |
| 12:00.07 | timeless | +++-==============-==============-============================================ |
| 12:00.08 | timeless | ii pkg-config 0.17.2-1 manage compile and link flags for libraries |
| 12:01.04 | grumpy | should we use nopaste? |
| 12:01.09 | grumpy | ||/ Name Version Description |
| 12:01.09 | grumpy | +++-========================-========================-================================================================ |
| 12:01.12 | grumpy | pn libgtk2.0-dev <none> (no description available) |
| 12:01.48 | dpb_ | apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev ? |
| 12:03.05 | grumpy | thats what happens |
| 12:03.07 | grumpy | : http://rafb.net/p/SSSXC574.txt |
| 12:03.43 | Jaffa | Interesting: http://jkkmobile.blogspot.com/2007/05/nokia-adding-keyboard-to-tablet.html - wonder if it's the E93 (?) or an Internet Tablet |
| 12:05.13 | timeless | what does the output for dpkg -l pkg-config say? (just the one line) |
| 12:05.33 | grumpy | pn pkg-config <none> (no description available) |
| 12:05.54 | grumpy | thanks for the support, i really need to compile something for the n800 these days |
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| 12:06.52 | timeless | you definitely want ii for pkg-config :) |
| 12:06.58 | timeless | no idea what magic it takes to get that :) |
| 12:07.21 | grumpy | can i see your source.lst ? |
| 12:07.56 | timeless | my sources.list didn'dt manage to get pkg-config as i said earlier :) |
| 12:08.31 | grumpy | http://rafb.net/p/qQ5Kd825.txt |
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| 12:09.18 | grumpy | hmm, are you sure, what does which pkg-config say? |
| 12:10.10 | grumpy | timeless: i see you are running a x86 box |
| 12:10.35 | grumpy | perhaps i did not mention: i have no such problem with the x86 box, but with the arm |
| 12:14.34 | grumpy | i could build gtk from source - but i think that problem-boomerang will hit me again later |
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| 12:22.13 | Mikho | hello |
| 12:22.44 | Mikho | could someone help me a bit? |
| 12:24.10 | grumpy | if you come into a irc channnel rule no. 1 dont ask to ask. just ask |
| 12:24.43 | Mikho | i've been to a number of irc channels where nobody responds, #ubuntu for example |
| 12:24.44 | dpb_ | yeah, we have no idea if we can help you or not if we don't know the question. |
| 12:25.09 | suihkulo1ki | rule #2, don't expect answers quickly |
| 12:25.32 | Mikho | I usually expect a reaction in 5-6 hours |
| 12:25.34 | Mikho | anyway |
| 12:25.46 | Mikho | is there something wrong with the maemo tutorials? |
| 12:26.04 | Mikho | I can't see any of the source code and some links to pictures seem to be broken |
| 12:26.47 | Efrael | Yeah, they're fixing it |
| 12:27.04 | `0660 | haven't they been fixing it for the last two months or so? :) |
| 12:27.04 | Efrael | Try this one: http://test.maemo.org |
| 12:28.36 | Mikho | what's that? |
| 12:30.46 | Mikho | wow, test.maemo.org seems to work properly |
| 12:31.43 | Mikho | I've got pretty far by just viewing the source code and deducing the correct paths to the pictures but that's pretty bothersome |
| 12:33.00 | Mikho | so what's the difference between test.maemo.org and the official page? Except that the former is updated |
| 12:33.18 | dpb_ | test.maemo.org is the old page |
| 12:33.29 | sp3000 | so it's broken in different ways :D |
| 12:33.37 | Mikho | gnn |
| 12:34.18 | Mikho | well, at least the tutorial works |
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| 12:35.49 | grumpy | ill start a maemo gentoo fork, who joins me :-) |
| 12:39.21 | pna | what you mean by maemo gentoo? i mean do you want to compile your packages with emerge on the n800? phauhauha |
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| 12:41.17 | grumpy | gentoos sandbox should support cross-compiling |
| 12:42.06 | pna | grumpy, heh ;) and so? |
| 12:47.00 | grumpy | only kidding, never midn |
| 12:48.37 | jumpula | a gentoo devkit for scratchbox is always welcome :) |
| 12:48.48 | geaaru | hi, sunrise layman already support scratchbox on gentoo :-) |
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| 12:59.58 | plaes | grumpy: search for gentoo scratchbox in google |
| 13:00.06 | plaes | you'll get straight to my page :) |
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| 13:09.46 | grumpy | wow, i managed to compile the gtk arm hello world |
| 13:10.03 | grumpy | i found the holy grale install.txt |
| 13:10.09 | Mikho | does anybody know what do error messages like "Could not init font path element /usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi" mean? |
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| 13:10.22 | dpb_ | grumpy: what was wrong? |
| 13:10.25 | Mikho | there's no such directory on my computer |
| 13:10.32 | mgedmin | probably that there's no such directory, or it doesn't have a fonts.dir in it |
| 13:10.35 | `0660 | you probably don't have any 100dpi fonts |
| 13:10.37 | mgedmin | a harmless warning message |
| 13:10.40 | mgedmin | feel free to ignore it |
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| 13:10.48 | `0660 | yeah |
| 13:10.52 | Mikho | I have the fonts, it's just searching for them in the wrong place |
| 13:11.08 | Mikho | but where could that kind of search paths be defined? |
| 13:11.18 | mgedmin | /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 13:11.27 | mgedmin | only nobody uses server-side fonts anymore |
| 13:11.31 | Mikho | I have the correct paths there |
| 13:11.50 | Mikho | they read /usr/share/X11/fonts/jadajada |
| 13:13.26 | grumpy | i started the hildon framework, the rootstrap was maemo-sdk-rootstrap_3.1_armel.tgz. it looks like n770 not like n800. this is normal right? |
| 13:18.29 | Mikho | is there something in common between XF86Config and xorg.conf? |
| 13:21.34 | dpb_ | Mikho: yes, basicly the same file, just for different X servers. XF86Config is for XFree86 and xorg.conf is for the X.org X server. |
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| 13:22.05 | Mikho | i see. So, if a help page tells me to exit XF86blah I edit xorg.conf instead |
| 13:24.13 | Mikho | what was the key combination to shut down X? |
| 13:25.11 | mgedmin | ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 13:25.37 | mgedmin | the help file you're reading is very outdated, if it still talks about XF86 |
| 13:25.43 | mgedmin | nobody uses XFree86 anymore |
| 13:25.57 | Mikho | ok, thanks |
| 13:26.27 | Mikho | nah, I'm just trying to get rid of the warning messages |
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| 13:27.05 | Mikho | can't figure out where it gets the false font paths. paths in xorg.conf are correct |
| 13:27.15 | mgedmin | hm |
| 13:27.27 | Mikho | oh, I get the warnings when starting xephyr |
| 13:27.31 | mgedmin | ah |
| 13:27.41 | mgedmin | it probably uses some different config file |
| 13:27.49 | mgedmin | and that's the default path |
| 13:28.04 | mgedmin | yuck, Xephyr doesn't have a man page! |
| 13:28.47 | mgedmin | you can specify the default font path on the command line (Xephyr -fp ...) |
| 13:30.07 | Mikho | I see |
| 13:30.57 | Mikho | I guess the fonts installed to scratchbox are different from the ones in the host machine |
| 13:32.02 | mgedmin | are there any fonts inside scratchbox? |
| 13:32.09 | mgedmin | besides, you run Xephyr on the outside |
| 13:32.36 | mgedmin | (it makes perfects sense to have fonts inside scratchbox, when I think about it -- client-side TTF fonts) |
| 13:34.19 | Mikho | there seem to be fonts inside scratchbox as well |
| 13:34.35 | Mikho | but which fonts is it searching for? |
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| 13:37.54 | sp3000 | does -fp .../path/to/sbox/target/usr/share/fonts help? |
| 13:43.55 | Mikho | hm, the directory exists but has only few font files |
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| 13:47.26 | Mikho | "Could not init font path element /scratchbox/users/mipoloja/targets/SDK-PC/usr/share/fonts, removing from list!" |
| 13:49.00 | Mikho | oh, I needed to tell every font separately. Just entering the fonts directory is not enough |
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| 13:55.26 | tigert | put them in ~/.fonts |
| 13:55.31 | tigert | to easily use them |
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| 14:11.35 | geaaru | what are gst-launch-0.10 params for resolve flip on webcam? |
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| 14:22.43 | trevarthan | What is the best way to access an SMB share from my n800? |
| 14:28.44 | timeless | hrm |
| 14:28.58 | timeless | is the n800 kernel dynamically or statically linked? :) |
| 14:30.00 | grumpy | linked against what? |
| 14:31.54 | zyxulnaga | he probably means 'ld' |
| 14:32.12 | guardian | who knows :) |
| 14:33.55 | trevarthan | so you think building a new kernel is the only way? Whatever happened to that gnomevfs thing? Does anyone have it working on an n800? Every time I've tried it doesn't work. |
| 14:34.31 | trevarthan | I'm thinking about patching my kernel for sdhc and buying a 4gb card, so I guess adding smbfs support wouldn't be all that hard after that. |
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| 14:36.02 | timeless | dunno to be honest |
| 14:36.11 | `0660 | why not just get 4gb card that doesn't need sdhc? |
| 14:36.12 | suihkulo1ki | trevarthan: it's called osso-gnome-vfs and it's already on the device |
| 14:36.24 | timeless | i think that one answer would be whether kernel modules are dynamically loaded or statically linked |
| 14:36.27 | `0660 | i have one and it workd great |
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| 14:38.20 | mgedmin | the n800 kernel supports loadable modules |
| 14:47.30 | guardian | are there screensavers for the tablet |
| 14:48.24 | suihkulo1ki | guardian: you feel the battery lasts too long? |
| 14:50.40 | guardian | suihkulo1ki: that's exactly what i answered but i was requested to forward the question :D |
| 14:50.56 | trevarthan | suihkulo1ki: so.... I can just use smb:// in the file manager by default or something? I'm not around an smb network right now so I can't test.... |
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| 15:07.30 | grumpy | another question, the laika eclipse plugin contains standard templates. the help text talks about "Maemo applications require you to run them in standalone mode." What does this mean? |
| 15:10.01 | keesj | grumpy: My guess is that they would be started with the run-standalonex??.sh script not started from the maemo-af-desktop |
| 15:10.28 | grumpy | ok, found the run-standalone.sh script |
| 15:10.31 | grumpy | thanks |
| 15:11.00 | keesj | np |
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| 15:25.50 | pna | hi any idea on how to flip the camera on gstreamer? |
| 15:28.32 | keesj | I think you need to use gconfv4l2src as source . I don't know why :p |
| 15:28.52 | geaaru | videoflip plugin isn't included on gst-plugins-good ... and so i don't known how can i do it |
| 15:29.32 | pna | keesj, I already use gconfv4l2src on gst-launch on sardine but no way |
| 15:29.56 | pna | I mean v4l2src is the same |
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| 15:30.27 | pna | no fliping when i rotate |
| 15:31.19 | keesj | here is a examoke in python . http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_camera_api_bora.html |
| 15:33.19 | keesj | I have not tried this. |
| 15:34.38 | pna | well, i have, but is exact the same, when you rotate the camera the image does not flip |
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| 15:34.49 | pna | is a problem affecting many people |
| 15:34.57 | pna | take a look here: |
| 15:35.20 | pna | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4351 |
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| 15:37.20 | pna | geaaru, did you find something? |
| 15:37.42 | geaaru | no nothing yet :( |
| 15:41.04 | X-Fade_ | pna: Maybe you can ask the author of the camera app? It's not open source, but maybe he can still help you? |
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| 15:43.05 | pna | X-Fade_, thank you do you know his name? are you speaking about the Camera software, i mean that one on https://garage.maemo.org/projects/camera/ ? |
| 15:43.32 | X-Fade_ | pna: Yeah, that is your best bet. |
| 15:43.47 | dalibor | heya ... I've got packages for n800, they download and install in ai ... but i can;t see the installed apps. any idea if i need to put something special in my section field? |
| 15:45.38 | X-Fade_ | pna: It is too bad that they didn't opensource it. I really don't understand why the insist on doing that. |
| 15:46.05 | pna | X-Fade_, yep and it also a weaky sw, ;) |
| 15:48.23 | pna | Maintainer: internet-tablet-addons@nokia.com |
| 15:48.39 | geaaru | maybe, because there is a particular kernel command (or other) for manage flip that use a not public library |
| 15:48.42 | X-Fade_ | It is really unfortunate that there seem to be 2 Nokia teams. The opensource one and the closed source + lawyers one.. ;) |
| 15:48.52 | pna | imho no one will answer me, but i'll try |
| 15:49.05 | X-Fade_ | pna: Just ask on the developers list.. |
| 15:49.19 | pna | k |
| 15:49.30 | X-Fade_ | Or file a bug against the documentation :) |
| 15:49.47 | X-Fade_ | That the camera api is not complete.. |
| 15:51.33 | pna | k i'll try with the ml |
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| 16:05.39 | geaaru | this kernel variable /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/cam_act/state |
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| 16:06.07 | geaaru | give information of camera state so can be flip image in software |
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| 19:12.54 | trevarthan | Anyone know of a tool I might use to inject album art into my MP3s for use in Canola? |
| 19:13.29 | trevarthan | nm. they've got their own channel. sorry. |
| 19:13.44 | `0660 | i didn't know it was possible to inject pictures in mp3 files |
| 19:14.12 | k-s[WORK] | trevarthan: any id3 tag tool |
| 19:14.33 | k-s[WORK] | trevarthan: or just place a cover.jpg on same folder as your mp3 |
| 19:16.20 | k-s[WORK] | `0660: id3 supports covers |
| 19:16.54 | `0660 | cool :) |
| 19:18.39 | trevarthan | k-s[WORK]: ok. cover.jpg works. I thought it wouldn't because of this bug report: https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=223&group_id=125&atid=532 |
| 19:20.04 | k-s[WORK] | trevarthan: btw, names are configurable in gconf, if you need it |
| 19:21.17 | k-s[WORK] | trevarthan: about that bug, we just don't fetch the covers, but it will be done... eventually :- |
| 19:24.11 | trevarthan | k-s[WORK]: what file formats does canola support? I've got mp3 working, but wma and m4a don't seem to work. |
| 19:25.11 | k-s[WORK] | trevarthan: you can register other formats in gconf, both the mime-type (for remote media) and extension (local media) |
| 19:25.59 | k-s[WORK] | trevarthan: so far, just mp3 is handled fine, others we don't try to parse any tag, we just handle the URL to Osso Media Player (maemo's default player) |
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| 19:44.03 | trevarthan | k-s[WORK]: I'm looking in gconf editor for mime types and extensions, but I don't see them. Where do I need to add what? |
| 19:44.35 | trevarthan | oh, nm. find to the rescue. /apps/canola |
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| 20:03.06 | trevarthan | Wow, I couldn't disagree more. I love being able to click those menu items directly. This should be configurable from the web UI at least, IMO. https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=459&group_id=125&atid=529 |
| 20:03.25 | k-s[WORK] | trevarthan: gconf ;-) |
| 20:03.39 | k-s[WORK] | trevarthan: but it sucks, believe me |
| 20:05.49 | trevarthan | I'm using it. I love it. |
| 20:06.14 | trevarthan | It's intuitive when using a click interface like the n800. |
| 20:07.00 | k-s[WORK] | trevarthan: I still think it lacks feedback |
| 20:13.21 | trevarthan | Honestly, after having used an ipod for a while, I'd prefer a scroll wheel. I don't see why that couldn't be implemented using a touch screen. |
| 20:15.41 | trevarthan | In addition, I think it would be nice to implement support for FM radio. When I use my n800 in the car I plug it into my tape deck for playback. (can you believe they still make cars with tape players? ) So I can use the radio in the n800 instead of the car radio. And if the n800 supported time shifting then that would be sweet. |
| 20:16.28 | derf | trevarthan: There _is_ an FM radio app for the N800. |
| 20:27.33 | solmumaha | do you guys find the n800 touchscreen a bit unresponsive? |
| 20:33.10 | unique311 | fbdev |
| 20:33.16 | unique311 | or device /dev/fb |
| 20:33.17 | MoRpHeUz | trevarthan: there is fm radio support for n800 |
| 20:33.20 | unique311 | frambuffer? |
| 20:33.36 | unique311 | now does the 770 or n800 have framebuffer support |
| 20:35.31 | unique311 | with basiliskII running it in window mode works nice up to 1024x768 |
| 20:35.47 | unique311 | but in fullscreen mode, the screen is black. |
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| 20:36.43 | unique311 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:36.43 | unique311 | [if Basilisk II was configured with --enable-xf86-dga] |
| 20:36.43 | unique311 | Full-screen display using the XFree86 DGA extension. The color depth |
| 20:36.59 | unique311 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:36.59 | unique311 | "width" and "height" specify the maximum width/height to use. |
| 20:36.59 | unique311 | Saying "dga/0/0" means "complete screen". |
| 20:36.59 | unique311 | dga/<frame buffer name> |
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| 20:53.02 | defor^work | unique |
| 20:53.09 | defor^work | where'd you put the new compiles? |
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| 22:44.39 | pulsar_ | http://turrican.renoise.com/pulsar/pics/feedblender.png - mono and n800? pure fun untill now. |
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| 23:24.46 | trevarthan | what's the best way to access smb from maemo? |
| 23:28.33 | pulsar_ | there is a kernel module available |
| 23:28.46 | pulsar_ | which enables the cifs filesystem. |
| 23:28.52 | pulsar_ | you can use mount then |
| 23:29.58 | pulsar_ | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowToAccessWindowsCIFS |
| 23:29.59 | pulsar_ | there you go |
| 23:31.26 | Sulis | that does actually work quite well, i don't know why i was suprised...but i was |
| 23:32.10 | pulsar_ | yep, does a better job than all that upnp stuff |
| 23:32.29 | trevarthan | nothing gui based? i was hoping to just transfer some mp3s. |
| 23:32.49 | pulsar_ | trevarthan: use the usb cable then. |
| 23:33.33 | pulsar_ | it it does not matter if you push or poll, you can use scp on your windows(?) box. |
| 23:33.37 | pulsar_ | i recommend winscp |
| 23:33.50 | pulsar_ | you need to install an ssh server on your nokia though |
| 23:33.57 | trevarthan | hmmm. not a bad idea. i keep forgetting about that. thanks! |
| 23:34.23 | trevarthan | i've got one. |
| 23:34.55 | trevarthan | i just don't like sftp much. |
| 23:35.45 | pulsar_ | well, i am sure you can get an ftp server up and running on your nokia. last time i checked pureftpd was pretty nice and compact. |
| 23:36.29 | pulsar_ | at least the transfer speed should be better when using ftp instead of sftp. |
| 23:36.57 | pulsar_ | did not any benchmarks, but i presume that ssh encryption might lower your transferspeed due to limited cpu resources on the nokia |
| 23:38.40 | pulsar_ | let me know if you need it really bad, i could give it a try in the scratchbox if it compiles and works out of the box. |
| 23:55.02 | trevarthan | i've got a working sdk too. trying to compile perl currently. |
| 23:55.50 | pulsar_ | anything particular you need perl for? |
| 23:56.13 | jumpula | pain |
| 23:56.34 | pulsar_ | :D |
