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| 02:00.03 | nelson | Anybody know how tolerant the N800 power supply is of voltage variations? |
| 02:00.38 | nelson | I'm thinking of making a ten hour battery pack out of a set of four 4500 mAh NiMH batteries. |
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| 02:02.27 | nelson | that plus a bit of shapelock will make me an N800 which is about 2" thick and runs all day long. |
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| 06:17.39 | tigert | nelson: bluetooth battery! |
| 06:18.18 | nelson | that would be nice, wouldn't it? |
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| 07:02.54 | konttori | So, what did you guys think about the foleo? |
| 07:03.36 | konttori | http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/30/palm-foleo-announced/ |
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| 07:09.08 | tigert | its a laptop? |
| 07:09.52 | keesj | with 5 hours batery life? |
| 07:10.16 | konttori | So odd for them to even try that approach |
| 07:10.28 | konttori | And that it even doesn't have touch screen. |
| 07:10.47 | konttori | And it's not even well priced. |
| 07:11.14 | konttori | I could understand if it was priced at below 400$. |
| 07:11.20 | keesj | but I would allo to realy work right? |
| 07:12.31 | konttori | ? |
| 07:13.54 | keesj | I am trying to compare it with the n800. the n800 does not allow me to perform my work(programming) |
| 07:14.14 | keesj | and this device sounds like a nice "network client" |
| 07:14.15 | suihkulo1ki | it weights as much as my thinkpad x40 |
| 07:15.38 | keesj | :p |
| 07:16.33 | keesj | it probabely larger then my 8+ years old thinkpad 520 |
| 07:17.32 | keesj | the price is quite high yes |
| 07:18.15 | konttori | I just don't get it that at which point did their marketing decide that they actually want to try to sell that thing. |
| 07:20.57 | keesj | possible : for me this comment is how I feel about it http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/30/palm-foleo-announced/comments/5166920/ |
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| 07:21.47 | keesj | But what I really shoud do is get my boss to get me a real computer |
| 07:22.26 | Veggen | I currently have three computers for work. Well, two and a half, the last one generally is named "the outlook thing". |
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| 07:24.38 | keesj | :p Veggen idem here. but the folks here are starting to understand that there is something else then MS. my manager and even the product manager does not accept visio drawing. I make my life easyer |
| 07:24.39 | konttori | keesj: Sounds like a paid commercial ;) |
| 07:24.55 | konttori | the link on engadged I mean. |
| 07:25.46 | guardian | morning |
| 07:25.56 | konttori | morning! |
| 07:26.48 | Veggen | konttori: Oh, all my real work is done on a Linux box. |
| 07:27.09 | keesj | konttori yes , export $DEVICE="n800" , echo <<END bla bla better $DEVICE END |
| 07:27.26 | keesj | I need to work! |
| 07:31.57 | solmumaha | morning boys (and possible girls) |
| 07:31.57 | solmumaha | little ot, but does anyone know if it's possible to prevent ps from displaying other users' processes on linux like in freebsd? |
| 07:31.57 | tigert | yeah there ways |
| 07:31.57 | tigert | dunno what |
| 07:31.57 | tigert | but sure it can be done |
| 07:31.58 | tigert | some security modules or such for kernel |
| 07:31.58 | solmumaha | i bet |
| 07:32.02 | solmumaha | oh.. freebsd only needed one sysctl |
| 07:32.15 | Veggen | Hmmf. Warning to everyone: If ever you should think it's a good idea to just make a temporary certification authority, 1) don't, 2) if you still must, don't do like me and think that it's only gonna be temporary, don't let the CA certificate have expire time less than until your retirement ;) |
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| 07:33.11 | Veggen | ok, still 6 years till my CA expires, the temporary CA has lasted 4 years, and I don't see how I'm gonna get rid of it the next six years. |
| 07:33.20 | keesj | solmumaha alias ps="ps --User=$USER" ? |
| 07:34.04 | tigert | keesj: yeah but you can unalias |
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| 07:34.53 | Mithrandir | Veggen: there is nothing as permanent as a temporary solution. :-P |
| 07:34.53 | keesj | ok .. so also alias alias="echo not allowed" :p |
| 07:35.21 | solmumaha | or better yet, power off |
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| 07:36.06 | cosmo | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2494029776.html |
| 07:36.13 | solmumaha | i don't wanna cripple the system |
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| 08:46.27 | sbaturzioAtWork | Aloha! |
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| 08:51.49 | Nostferka | hello hello |
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| 08:55.55 | ptisserand | hi everybody |
| 08:56.36 | ptisserand | I would like to build mercurial for my Nokia 770, but I didn't find the right to build python extension inside scratchbox |
| 08:56.49 | ptisserand | does someone here knows how I can do it ? |
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| 08:57.24 | ptisserand | as far as I understand running python, runs the host python which use the host gcc for compiling |
| 08:59.06 | ptisserand | and the link part failed since it try to use arm linker with x86 objects |
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| 09:14.00 | melmoth | ptisserand: do you use python2.5 ? |
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| 09:14.12 | melmoth | ptisserand: deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras bora free non-free |
| 09:14.27 | melmoth | then apt-get update;apt-get install python2.5-runtime python-dev |
| 09:14.48 | melmoth | do that for both target in scratchbox |
| 09:14.50 | melmoth | worked here |
| 09:15.00 | ptisserand | melmoth: no I don't use python2.5 |
| 09:15.22 | melmoth | i did not try with the defautl one. |
| 09:15.43 | jkyro | has anybody made debs that actually install stuff on tme MMC? |
| 09:15.45 | ptisserand | melmoth: but Bora is not only for the OS2007 ? |
| 09:15.49 | konttori_ | out of curiosity, why not python 2.5? |
| 09:15.52 | melmoth | oh, maybe. |
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| 09:16.51 | jkyro | how can I force the correct permissions when making the package? currently the deb refuses to install because of permissions |
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| 09:17.36 | konttori_ | are you installing as root? |
| 09:17.41 | jkyro | yes |
| 09:17.54 | ptisserand | konttori_: I have just install a fresh SDK, so I didn't think about upgrading python version |
| 09:18.08 | jkyro | it fails because of mount options for the mmc |
| 09:18.20 | melmoth | ptisserand: try out apt-get python-dev anyway. It should work |
| 09:18.43 | melmoth | i mean, if python-dev does nto comes with all the dependencies needed to build a python module...there is somethign fishy |
| 09:18.48 | konttori_ | jkyro, so perhaps you just need to drop the execute permissions from the files before making the deb |
| 09:19.07 | jkyro | it's not that |
| 09:19.21 | jkyro | error setting ownership of `./media/mmc1/demoapp': Operation not permitted |
| 09:19.26 | jkyro | is what I'm getting |
| 09:19.43 | melmoth | jkyro: well this is probably a vfat filesystem |
| 09:19.50 | melmoth | so changing ownership will always fail |
| 09:20.09 | jkyro | is there a way to make dpkg not try to change the ownership? |
| 09:20.15 | melmoth | i dont know that |
| 09:20.33 | melmoth | but it looks to me not a good idea to package something to install stuff on a removable device |
| 09:20.42 | melmoth | what about if i install it and i do not have the device ? |
| 09:20.43 | jkyro | yes, I know |
| 09:21.11 | jkyro | well, it's nothing public anyway, I'm just trying to share stuff with a couple of people |
| 09:21.30 | melmoth | what if they have mmc2 available instead ? :) |
| 09:21.40 | jkyro | out of luck :) |
| 09:21.57 | melmoth | i woudl put the data in / somewhere , and the use a post installation script that will detetct wich card is there and copy stuff there |
| 09:22.40 | konttori_ | Just an idea, but perhaps you should just add a postinst that will move the files to mmc and delete them from the flash after that. (and then prerm that will remove them from the mmc)? |
| 09:23.03 | konttori_ | apparently the same idea! |
| 09:23.07 | jkyro | there's quite a lot of stuff, another reason for not using the internal flash |
| 09:23.22 | jkyro | can't do it in phases |
| 09:23.47 | jkyro | hmm, maybe I could just wget and unzip the stuff in the postinst |
| 09:24.03 | ptisserand | melmoth: after installing python-2.5 it compiles fine, thanks |
| 09:26.53 | melmoth | python2.5++ :) |
| 09:27.26 | ptisserand | melmoth: but it means that I have to update my N770 but python2.5 in order to use my mercurial build :( |
| 09:27.39 | ptisserand | s/but py/to py/ |
| 09:28.04 | melmoth | i do not know the status of python2.5 for n770 |
| 09:28.08 | melmoth | i only have a n800... |
| 09:28.14 | ptisserand | ok |
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| 10:02.08 | konttori_ | melmoth: python 2.5 should work just fine on it os 2006 on 770 as well |
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| 10:25.57 | |tbb| | anyone knows ruby-gtk2 is available for maemo |
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| 10:43.36 | |tbb| | how about a subversionclient? |
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| 11:16.33 | solmumaha | |tbb|: i believe ruby bindings for maemo is a google summer of code project this year |
| 11:16.55 | solmumaha | waiting for those too |
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| 11:35.53 | |tbb| | whatsup if i get following error after apt-get update |
| 11:36.01 | |tbb| | W: GPG error: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com bora Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG CBFC2BECC6903E72 Nokia Internet Tablet Archive Automatic Signing Key <integration@maemo.org> |
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| 11:51.07 | inz | |tbb|, it's only a warning for apt |
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| 12:20.12 | |tbb| | ive trying to install pythoon2.5 runtime without success |
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| 12:20.24 | i-nZ | Is someone working on porting Ekiga? |
| 12:20.34 | i-nZ | All I found is 3 screenshots of something |
| 12:20.43 | i-nZ | *of something that looks like ekiga but no patches, no code |
| 12:21.05 | |tbb| | libsdlttf2.2 fails |
| 12:22.11 | |tbb| | i tried to install itfrom here http://maemo.org/downloads/product/python |
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| 12:33.13 | konttori_ | Have you tried 2.4? |
| 12:33.15 | konttori_ | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1182/python2.4-runtime.install |
| 12:34.17 | konttori_ | Oh, here it is: You need to install base repository first: http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/base-repository.install |
| 12:34.32 | konttori_ | Here are the install instructions: http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/installation.html |
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| 12:49.45 | guardian | is there a hacked os distribution based on qtopia around ? |
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| 12:54.27 | i-nZ | yay. battery lasts 5 hours in offline mode watching non-stop xvid movies with nmplayer |
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| 13:54.21 | Disconnect | guardian: there's no alternative dist/image for it at all |
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| 14:44.36 | guardian | ok |
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| 15:28.35 | X-Fade_ | bergie: Ping? |
| 15:28.44 | bergie | pong |
| 15:29.30 | X-Fade_ | Can you tell me how I identify if we are displaying a page from the documentation section? |
| 15:29.36 | X-Fade_ | $_MIDCOM->metadata->get_page_class() == 'documentation' ? |
| 15:29.42 | X-Fade_ | Or something like that? |
| 15:37.57 | X-Fade | bergie: Hmm no it isn't. That is returning 'default' for those pages, right? |
| 15:38.13 | bergie | X-Fade: what do you want to do? |
| 15:38.30 | bergie | I think the schema used for doc pages is "default", yes |
| 15:38.50 | bergie | we could easily rename it "docs" or something like that and then it would be in the body class |
| 15:39.32 | X-Fade | bergie: I'm working on printing stylesheets. But I want to only use them when in the docs section. |
| 15:40.30 | X-Fade | I was looking into head-local.php to change that. But couldn't find the midcom way to do that ;) Other than parsing the url in php that is.. |
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| 16:46.57 | ramatieg | Does anyone know if google gears supports Opera on Maemo? |
| 16:48.33 | `0660 | "Google launched an open source browser extension for IE and Firefox called Google Gears that enables web applications to be available offline." |
| 16:49.56 | ramatieg | `0660: Yeah, I read a piece that implied Opera was supported. |
| 16:53.37 | ramatieg | `0660: http://www.google.com/intl/en/press/pressrel/gears_20070530.html |
| 16:53.54 | `0660 | http://code.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=69201&topic=11629 |
| 16:54.52 | ramatieg | `0660: Yes, thank you. I've seen that. However it seems the two links give somewhat contradictory information. |
| 16:56.40 | `0660 | opera is probably working on their support but they are not there yet |
| 16:58.03 | ramatieg | Sigh. That's too bad. I was really excited to use it on my N800 |
| 16:58.17 | defor^work | not to mention they say linux on x86 only too |
| 16:58.20 | `0660 | and even if their full version will support it soon, it probably won't make it in the n800 |
| 16:58.49 | ramatieg | Drat. I should have figured at much |
| 16:58.52 | tigert | konttori? |
| 16:58.55 | ramatieg | s/at/as |
| 16:58.58 | konttori | here! |
| 16:59.01 | `0660 | hmm |
| 16:59.07 | tigert | dinner at 9? |
| 16:59.09 | `0660 | it's completely open source |
| 16:59.26 | `0660 | so you could probably make it work with minimo |
| 16:59.46 | ramatieg | `0660: Does minimo support Firefox extensions? |
| 16:59.50 | defor^work | probably , but because it relies on local filesystem support, it might need some changes |
| 17:00.03 | defor^work | and yeah you'd need opera support too |
| 17:00.20 | defor^work | or firefox compiled :P |
| 17:00.56 | `0660 | ramatieg, i don't believe so |
| 17:00.57 | konttori | tigert: Did you want to ask something? |
| 17:01.36 | ramatieg | defor^work: Where did you get the x86 only information? |
| 17:01.55 | `0660 | i believe nokia would have to pay opera a lot get them support gears in n800 |
| 17:02.23 | `0660 | ramatieg, at least it's dependent on sqlite which means that it needs at least recompilation... |
| 17:02.38 | ramatieg | `0660: Why do you think Opera wouldn't do it of their own volition? |
| 17:03.04 | `0660 | because they have mouths to feed |
| 17:03.04 | ramatieg | `0660: Opera mobile runs on many devices |
| 17:03.46 | defor^work | ramatieg well i cliecked the linux support page http://gears.google.com/?platform=linux and clicked details .. but it also says for toolbar.. so i have no idea |
| 17:03.52 | ramatieg | `0660: I suppose Nokia may have to pay if they wanted to use a newer version |
| 17:04.35 | `0660 | the browser in n800 is heavily customized if i have understood correctly |
| 17:06.03 | ramatieg | Still, I would be surprised if they didn't include it in their 'base' product, and from there I would guess it wouldn't be difficult to port. |
| 17:07.18 | `0660 | :) |
| 17:08.51 | defor^work | im still not fans of commercial, although open-source extensions to standards-based internet technologies |
| 17:09.03 | defor^work | a fan/fans |
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| 17:11.13 | ramatieg | defor^work: I don't follow what you mean. Many standards are driven my commercial interests. I'm not a fan of unilateral standard 'imposition' |
| 17:11.40 | ramatieg | defor^work: But more specifically, I think that this whole idea of javascript data store is foolish. |
| 17:12.07 | ramatieg | defor^work: And the whole 'rich client' BS. |
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| 17:15.59 | ramatieg | Their should be an API for Internet services and you write your client however you want (e.g. native application) to interface. Why would you try to jam applications on top of the browser? Why would you choose to write a 'heavy' application in a language like _javascript_? I think Apple 'gets' this (c.f. Their Google maps client on iPhone) |
| 17:16.52 | gla55_ | how do you know how google maps is done on iphone |
| 17:17.30 | gla55_ | could just as well be js. the widgets most probably are |
| 17:17.31 | ramatieg | Steve Jobs describes it at the D5 conference |
| 17:17.42 | ramatieg | http://d5.allthingsd.com/20070531/video-steve-jobs-and-bill-gates-together-part-1-of-7/ |
| 17:17.53 | ramatieg | It may not be part 1 |
| 17:18.14 | ramatieg | but I'm pretty sure it's 1-3 |
| 17:19.09 | ramatieg | Might be somewhere in part 3. Sorry I can't remember |
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| 17:32.25 | guardian | evening |
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| 17:38.20 | ramatieg | google-gears source code is huge. svn checkout stalled after 103 M |
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| 18:18.12 | timeless | ping |
| 18:18.18 | timeless | can someone help me use apt-get? |
| 18:18.37 | timeless | i'm trying to use 2 repositories and i need different proxies to get to them |
| 18:22.36 | TimRiker | timeless: http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man5/apt.conf.5.html |
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| 18:31.06 | timeless | ok |
| 18:31.13 | timeless | i have foopy.apt.conf |
| 18:31.14 | timeless | it has |
| 18:31.29 | timeless | Acquire::http::host.name::Proxy "http://127.1:8000/"; |
| 18:31.31 | timeless | and |
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| 18:31.57 | timeless | Acquire::http::other.host::Proxy "http://blah:8080/"; |
| 18:32.22 | timeless | i also have foopy.sources.list which has |
| 18:33.02 | timeless | deb http://repository.maemo.org/sardine unstable main non-free |
| 18:33.13 | timeless | actually, host.name was repository.maemo.org |
| 18:35.49 | timeless | when i do apt-get -c foopy.apt.conf update, i get |
| 18:36.00 | timeless | Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/sardine/dists/unstable/Release.gpg Could not resolve 'repository.maemo.org' |
| 18:36.46 | etrunko | timeless: is it inside scratchbox? |
| 18:36.51 | etrunko | ubuntu feisty? |
| 18:36.58 | timeless | it's inside a very strange distro |
| 18:37.52 | timeless | it'd be great if i could get apt-get to give me debugging spew or to at least mention what it's thinking |
| 18:38.01 | ramatieg | Is 127.1 a valid IP address? |
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| 18:38.07 | timeless | absolutley |
| 18:38.17 | timeless | although that isn't spelled correctly :) |
| 18:38.36 | timeless | timeless@boffo:~$ telnet 127.1 22 |
| 18:38.36 | timeless | Trying 127.0.0.1... |
| 18:38.36 | timeless | Connected to 127.1. |
| 18:38.36 | timeless | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 18:38.36 | timeless | SSH-1.99-OpenSSH_4.4 |
| 18:38.45 | timeless | it's a shorthand |
| 18:39.04 | etrunko | timeless: http://lists.scratchbox.org/pipermail/scratchbox-users/2007-March/000906.html |
| 18:39.48 | timeless | i'm not in scratchbox |
| 18:40.24 | defor^work | hello all again.. I'm trying to get started devloping and compiling... if i understand this right, I need to install a custom distribution as a full os to the development station, is this correct? or can I do all of my work on a stock debian install with certain development resources built? |
| 18:40.27 | TimRiker | timeless: and do you have an http_proxy set? that will override the entries in the config iirc. |
| 18:40.35 | timeless | blah is in /etc/hosts and is basically a symbolic name for the system vm host |
| 18:40.54 | timeless | timriker: not set :) |
| 18:42.09 | TimRiker | if you set http_proxy to http://localhost:8080/ does that one work? |
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| 18:45.08 | timeless | when i used something like that, it seemed to work |
| 18:47.34 | timeless | ok |
| 18:47.42 | timeless | my problem was in the few lines i pasted :) |
| 18:48.01 | timeless | specifically the Acquire lines have ::Proxy in the wrong place |
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| 19:16.12 | Agggelos | hi there |
| 19:16.50 | Agggelos | need a little help |
| 19:17.13 | Agggelos | maemo mapper is frozen, and I can't even kill it with a kill -9 under osso-xterm |
| 19:17.25 | Agggelos | anyone had a similar issue in the past ? |
| 19:17.29 | Agggelos | thanks for any help |
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| 19:49.21 | ferulo | ey, do you know if I can use the GPS included on the N95 as a bluetooth GPS for the n800/maemo-mapper? |
| 19:50.22 | X-Fade | ferulo: I would like to know that too, as I am getting one next week :) |
| 19:50.56 | ferulo | what was that command line utility that show you bluetooth capabilities? |
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| 20:04.15 | ferulo | X-Fade: it seems that is not possible |
| 20:06.39 | X-Fade | ferulo: Maybe if you write some series60 tool that communicates over bt ;) |
| 20:06.53 | ferulo | yeah, there is an api for that |
| 20:07.01 | X-Fade | But the bt chip in the N95 is not that great either. |
| 20:07.04 | ferulo | I hope I can access that from python |
| 20:08.32 | X-Fade | If you can emulate a com device via bt, it should be doable? |
| 20:09.26 | X-Fade | And talk NMEA over that.. |
| 20:09.30 | ferulo | I have no idea of S60 APIs :( |
| 20:11.34 | X-Fade | ferulo: http://forum.nokia.com/main/resources/technologies/location_based_services.html |
| 20:14.50 | ferulo | X-Fade: combined with: |
| 20:14.52 | ferulo | http://forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/64a34a8d-e65b-4a42-b9ae-dfcf5fe00426/S60_Platform_Bluetooth_API_Developers_Guide_v2_0_en.pdf.html |
| 20:15.02 | ferulo | you probably can "export" it |
| 20:17.10 | X-Fade | It should even know NMEA... EPositionFieldNMEASentences |
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| 22:42.04 | unique311 | new os and skype june 12?????how valide is this.... |
| 22:42.10 | unique311 | nokia peeps, validate |
| 22:46.01 | zakx | source? |
| 22:47.44 | unique311 | internet tableteer i think |
| 22:47.53 | unique311 | but i read it on internettablettalk |
| 22:48.12 | unique311 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=50315#post50315 |
| 22:48.26 | unique311 | unless its like june fools day |
| 22:52.09 | zakx | guess you'll have to wait for it |
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