| 00:00.18 | pulsar_ | http://www.elisanet.fi/tapio.tolvanen/nokia770.html |
| 00:00.29 | pulsar_ | there you have the os2006 / n770 packages |
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| 00:01.03 | T12U | I'll try to check it out. Thank you for now |
| 00:01.07 | pulsar_ | get them and either open the deb packages in the filemanager which should fire up the sofware management tool or use the console and the dpkg command to install those. |
| 00:04.25 | pulsar_ | T12U: maemo mapper might be also worth a try, did work of of the box (semi-official apt-sources) for me. |
| 00:04.48 | pulsar_ | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemo-mapper/ |
| 00:08.53 | pulsar_ | i have just compiled htop, tested on n800 works very nice. http://www.paul.vc/htop if anyone is interessted. |
| 00:14.55 | T12U | I'm trying to install maemo-mapper - IT2006 and I am getting a "Unable to install. Some packages required for the installation are missing" and when I clicked on details it says that libsqlite3-0(>=3.3.5) is missing |
| 00:15.24 | T12U | sorry for all the newbie questions |
| 00:15.25 | pulsar_ | switch to the xterm |
| 00:15.27 | pulsar_ | and type: |
| 00:15.37 | pulsar_ | apt-cache search libsqlite |
| 00:16.09 | pulsar_ | if its there, install it by "apt-get install libsqlite3" |
| 00:16.45 | pulsar_ | otherwise you will need to figure out which repository offers it and add this to your /etc/apt/sources.list file and try again. |
| 00:17.57 | pulsar_ | ah, ic. |
| 00:18.12 | pulsar_ | you will need the extras repository. |
| 00:18.46 | pulsar_ | make sure "deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras mistral non-fre" is in your sources.list |
| 00:19.46 | T12U | well I tried the apt-get install libsqlite command and got "E: Could not openopen lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/locl - open (13 permissi) |
| 00:19.54 | pulsar_ | close the other application first. |
| 00:19.55 | T12U | ok I'll try that |
| 00:20.01 | pulsar_ | that software management |
| 00:20.30 | pulsar_ | they do lock the repository so no other application an modify the apt database in while they are running. |
| 00:20.51 | pulsar_ | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/applicationrepositories/ btw |
| 00:22.56 | pulsar_ | i'm off, nite! |
| 00:23.04 | T12U | ok thanks for your help |
| 00:36.17 | trevarthan | Anyone here use Bacula? http://www.bacula.org/ |
| 00:36.38 | trevarthan | Thinking about packaging a bacula client for OS 2007. |
| 00:37.13 | trevarthan | firmware level backups don't seem to be working out with 0xFFFF. It's too fragile a process. |
| 00:38.17 | trevarthan | rsync works. But I'm not having any real luck preserving file ownership when backing up to a non-privileged user on a remote system, so that won't be useful for "bare metal recovery". |
| 00:38.46 | trevarthan | tar would probably do the job, but the tar packaged with busybox is fairly crippled. |
| 00:39.41 | trevarthan | So... I'm thinking bacula. It's a beast to set up. But it's automated, I've used it before and know it works quite well for bare metal recovery. |
| 00:40.18 | trevarthan | I hate doing that though. I'd probably be the only person using it on the n800 due to bacula's learning curve. |
| 00:40.31 | trevarthan | Any ideas? |
| 00:41.06 | trevarthan | Oh, and I don't think cpio would work either. Something about being incompatible across CPU archs or something. |
| 00:56.01 | trevarthan | hmmmm... that's odd. `du -hcx -d 1 /` on my n800 reports different numbers than running the following on the rsync backup I made just now on a remote machine: `du -hc --max-depth 1 n800-backup-dir/` |
| 00:57.20 | trevarthan | My remote machine reports 286M as the size of the filesystem, whereas the n800 reports 245.5M as the size. It isn't just one dir that is skewed. They're all slightly larger on the remote machine. What could account for the discrepancy? |
| 01:00.28 | javamaniac | trevarthan, maybe the filesystem inode size by default |
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| 01:07.20 | trevarthan | ah. I guess that makes sense. Interesting. |
| 01:08.53 | trevarthan | ok. I guess rsync works alright so long as you run it as root on the remote machine. It preserves the file ownerships then. |
| 01:09.49 | trevarthan | So rsync is a good one-off method. I still think I'll attempt to package a bacula client for the n800 so I can benefit from the automatic scheduling though. |
| 01:17.06 | javamaniac | trevarthan, i think something like conduit is more suitable for this kind of task, it's in development still but looks promissing |
| 01:17.19 | javamaniac | trevarthan, http://www.conduit-project.org/ |
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| 01:53.44 | trevarthan | javamaniac: no, I'm specifically interested in backing up my third part applications. Last time I got the dreaded white screen of death it took 5 straight hours to reinstall them. I want to automate that reinstall process. |
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| 01:54.32 | javamaniac | mm, interesting |
| 01:56.14 | trevarthan | honestly, bare metal recovery is a recurring theme in the administration of any system. Whether it be a linux server, a windows workstation, or anything in between. I don't see why a laptop or a tablet PC should be any different. |
| 01:56.41 | trevarthan | In fact, it's much easier with a tablet as there is significantly less to backup and restore. |
| 01:57.36 | javamaniac | yes, you're right, but think about the little amount of computationa resources of , by example, a n800 |
| 01:57.45 | javamaniac | computational* |
| 02:00.29 | trevarthan | yeah, backups usually aren't cpu bound. they're usually i/o bound, unless compression is used. |
| 02:01.28 | trevarthan | bacula uses md5sums for incrementals. not sure how slow that will be on an n800. |
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| 02:03.25 | trevarthan | really, i probably won't care as long as the backup takes place late enough and finishes before i wake up. |
| 02:03.34 | javamaniac | hehe |
| 02:04.09 | javamaniac | ok, but please, do performance test , to see how much impact it cause |
| 02:04.45 | javamaniac | maybe some tweaks can be made, to make a efficient backup tool |
| 02:06.25 | trevarthan | yeah, i did the rsync over ssh backup just now and it maxed out the cpu, but finished in less than an hour. don't know exactly how long it took. i'll try to record that next time. |
| 02:07.35 | trevarthan | soon as i finish walking my dogs i'll start a bacula client compile and then i'll time a similar bacula backup. |
| 02:08.09 | trevarthan | irssi + thumbs = cool. |
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| 02:18.08 | trevarthan | If anyone is interested in my rsync backup method: http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/Nokia_n800#Network_Backups |
| 02:18.30 | trevarthan | Note that I haven't tested a restore yet. However, it *should* work. :) |
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| 02:46.59 | kennethd | trevarthan: so you set up your n800 user with your linux root account's public key? all of my linux machines disallow root login via ssh |
| 02:48.43 | kennethd | I think a tar.gz backup might be better?.. can then scp/rsync it to a regular remote account |
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| 03:00.54 | trevarthan | kennethd: no. I use password login on my root account. not public key. I know, it's a security risk, but I think you'll find that it's not all that uncommon in the linux world. |
| 03:01.36 | trevarthan | kennethd: Yes, tar.gz would be better, if the default busybox tar wasn't crippled. It doesn't support critical options like -p. |
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| 03:01.58 | kennethd | trevarthan: also, i'm curious: why choose xjournal over maemopad+ ? |
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| 03:03.52 | trevarthan | kennethd: lots of reasons. First of all, I use the sketching functionality the most, and xournal implements it about 10 times better than maemopad+. In maemopad+, getting a new page is like 3 or 4 clicks. In xournal, it's one click. In maemopad, the page size is limited to slightly larger than the screen size. In xournal, the page size is a full letter size page. |
| 03:04.12 | trevarthan | I could go on. xournal is light years ahead of maemopad+ IMO. |
| 03:04.19 | kennethd | trevarthan: ahh, I didn't realize that. that sucks, I just recovered from my 1st need to flash the factory os & have been looking for a backup solution & was planning on using tar |
| 03:05.46 | trevarthan | well, I don't like the root thing either. If you find a better way, let me know. Oh, BTW, I discounted cpio too. Apparently a page I read mentioned that it has compatibility issues between CPU archs and memory archs. |
| 03:06.32 | trevarthan | I'm not sure what that leaves you with besides rsync (and root logins), or some more complicated backup system, like bacula or amanda. |
| 03:07.29 | kennethd | maemopad+ is annoying, I agree, I was just curious what your reasons were. |
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| 03:09.19 | trevarthan | kennethd: yeah, try xournal. you might like it. |
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| 05:35.30 | pupnik | totally offtopic but very cool science experiment |
| 05:35.39 | pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2XQ97XHjVw |
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| 06:57.05 | trevarthan | pupnik: I prefer the video with the blonde. |
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| 08:26.52 | b0unc3 | good morning |
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| 08:35.51 | tigert | morning |
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| 08:40.56 | AD-N770 | good morning |
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| 09:03.20 | unique311 | Pupnik |
| 09:03.34 | unique311 | i think figured out this rotate for pose |
| 09:03.42 | unique311 | landscape |
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| 09:08.41 | pna | hi *, i'm tring to compile the hildon-desktop within scratchbox but I got many errors, i'm actually blocked with the following: |
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| 09:10.26 | pna | hd-desktop.c:45:34: hildon/hildon-banner.h: No such file or directory |
| 09:10.26 | pna | hd-desktop.c:46:32: hildon/hildon-note.h: No such file or directory |
| 09:10.26 | pna | hd-desktop.c: In function `hd_desktop_launch_banner_show': |
| 09:10.26 | pna | hd-desktop.c:138: warning: implicit declaration of function `hildon_banner_show_animation' |
| 09:10.26 | pna | hd-desktop.c: In function `hd_desktop_create_note_infoprint': |
| 09:10.27 | pna | hd-desktop.c:1050: error: `HILDON_TYPE_BANNER' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 09:10.29 | pna | hd-desktop.c:1050: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once |
| 09:10.31 | pna | hd-desktop.c:1050: error: for each function it appears in.) |
| 09:10.33 | pna | any hint? |
| 09:11.27 | pna | well don't know where to find hildon/hildon-banner.h, guess in hildon-libs but not sure |
| 09:13.19 | inz | pna, libhildon1 |
| 09:13.43 | inz | pna, and libhildon1-dev to be exact |
| 09:13.56 | pna | great so actually need to build that, k tahnx |
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| 09:16.29 | inz | pna, well, you can also grab it as deb from sardine |
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| 09:19.54 | melmoth | anybody know if there is a way to tell gnomevfs to use passive or active ftp ? |
| 09:22.52 | pna | inz, thanx |
| 09:26.41 | inz | melmoth, I'd guess no (I think it only uses passive) |
| 09:27.41 | inz | melmoth, from gnome svn: /* FIXME bugzilla.eazel.com 1464: implement non-PASV mode */ |
| 09:27.52 | melmoth | grumble. That s funny now |
| 09:28.40 | melmoth | my ftp transfert fails without warning on my development machine, wget fails as well (with 'bad port') except if i use --passive-ftp or something |
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| 09:43.33 | pna | wow ok i get succeful compiled the hildon-desktop with my changes, build also the deb files with dpkg-buildpackage scped those files to the n800 and tried to dpkg -i *.deb |
| 09:44.01 | pna | aand i got many |
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| 09:44.20 | pna | dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `MANY PACKAGES' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed. |
| 09:44.35 | pna | i guess could be some problem with |
| 09:46.03 | pna | with some directory with the data.tar.gz file |
| 09:47.01 | pna | have I to move the hildon-desktop directory in some specific path to compile it with dpkg-build? |
| 09:57.42 | melmoth | inz: hmm actually i only experience the problem when i use gnomevfs in scratchbox, in a xen host. |
| 09:58.38 | melmoth | a scratchbox in a real machine works perfectly. Must be a problem with xen bridging(wich i m clueless about) |
| 10:04.54 | inz | melmoth, passive ftp shouldn't require anything special (unless you limit outbound connections to certain ports) |
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| 10:13.58 | ian_brasil_ | hi, I wonder if anyone can give a force with this problem..i am trying to install a deb in the SDK using fakeroot dpkg -i jiboia.deb and i get dpkg: error processing jiboia.deb (--install): error creating directory `./home/user': Permission denied |
| 10:15.06 | ian_brasil_ | the deb is lintian and linda clean |
| 10:15.15 | inz | ian, that's because you don't have permissions to /home in scratchbox |
| 10:17.14 | ian_brasil_ | is this for some reason? |
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| 11:04.23 | lesouvage | I have a nokia770 with Asterisk (voip server) running on it. I am root and things run fine. Is there any way to change the runlevel or a special combination of keys during startup so the gui doesn't start and precious memory and cpu cycles can be saved. |
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| 13:16.51 | pupnik | les |
| 13:21.28 | maemo | what is the chat client for n800 |
| 13:21.47 | maemo | widely used chat client in n800 :) |
| 13:21.48 | pupnik | irc? |
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| 13:22.39 | pupnik | for irc, xchat is popular |
| 13:23.46 | pyhimys | ssh? |
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| 13:26.17 | pna | hi, sometimes when in ssh on my n800 try to apt-get upgrade or update or even apt-get -f install, then when is time to respond Y or n to the questio, if I'm sure... i get |
| 13:26.28 | pna | 22 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 47 not upgraded. |
| 13:26.28 | pna | Need to get 3940kB of archives. |
| 13:26.28 | pna | After unpacking 2130kB of additional disk space will be used. |
| 13:26.28 | pna | Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y |
| 13:26.28 | pna | Abort. |
| 13:26.29 | pna | Nokia-N800-10:~# |
| 13:27.19 | pna | if i do it on the xterm in the n800 everything goes smooth |
| 13:27.19 | pupnik | capital Y |
| 13:27.19 | pna | even with capital |
| 13:27.25 | dpb | it doesn't matter if it's capital, the capital letter just marks that it's the default option |
| 13:28.21 | pupnik | oh |
| 13:28.21 | pupnik | heh |
| 13:28.21 | pna | yeah thats for the default option |
| 13:28.21 | pna | the same |
| 13:28.21 | pna | if i just press enter |
| 13:31.33 | pna | maybe some dropbear problem? some cr that not have to go? maybe some xterm-osso problem? maybe the apt package, i don't know, even i can't understand |
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| 14:10.21 | Free_maN | hello |
| 14:10.31 | Free_maN | now when i start login scratchbox i have a new error: |
| 14:10.40 | Free_maN | ERROR: '/opt/scratchbox/sbin/chroot-uid' is not suid ROOT |
| 14:11.09 | dpb | you did install it as root, right? |
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| 14:12.33 | Free_maN | thanks |
| 14:12.38 | Free_maN | but ihave resolved with chmod u+s /opt/scratchbox/sbin/chroot-uid |
| 14:12.41 | Free_maN | :) |
| 14:12.49 | Free_maN | thx dpb |
| 14:13.12 | dpb | np |
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| 15:03.52 | Free_maN | i don't have af-sb-init.sh in my scratchbox :( |
| 15:04.42 | part | did you install the rootstrap? |
| 15:06.15 | Free_maN | yes part |
| 15:06.36 | Free_maN | with sb-conf |
| 15:06.43 | Free_maN | no sb-menu |
| 15:07.29 | Free_maN | part this rootstrap ==> Maemo_Dev_Platform_rootstrap_Nokia_Binaries_v2.2.tar.gz |
| 15:07.33 | Free_maN | it's good ? |
| 15:08.20 | part | no, that's not a full rootstrap, that's just the non-free binaries |
| 15:08.40 | Free_maN | where is full rootstrap |
| 15:08.41 | Free_maN | ? |
| 15:08.48 | Free_maN | :( |
| 15:11.30 | part | seems to be under http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/bora/ |
| 15:12.05 | part | the *rootstrap*.tgz files in i386 and arm directories |
| 15:12.17 | Free_maN | http://repository.maemo.org/stable/gregale/i386/ |
| 15:12.28 | Free_maN | Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.2_i386-rootstrap.tgz |
| 15:12.35 | guardian | well |
| 15:12.42 | Free_maN | it's good |
| 15:12.44 | part | if you are going for 2.2, yeah |
| 15:12.45 | guardian | the simplest method is to let the installer script do its job |
| 15:12.53 | Free_maN | oki thx part |
| 15:13.00 | guardian | ah 2.2 |
| 15:13.27 | Free_maN | ;) |
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| 15:18.52 | Free_maN | it's good guardian part ;) |
| 15:18.57 | Free_maN | thanks :) |
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| 17:01.52 | user__ | hello everyone |
| 17:02.54 | user__ | what do you do here ?? |
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| 17:04.44 | user__ | i do have an n800 |
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| 18:00.39 | `0660 | user__, congratulations on that :) |
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| 18:09.13 | p13 | hi guys, anyone tried angstrom on their 770 ? |
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| 18:28.58 | trevarthan | Hmmm.... I'm going to try to build irssi with perl support. |
| 18:29.28 | mgedmin | perl was once my favourite language |
| 18:29.28 | trevarthan | perl-base is installed, but irssi's configure says it can't link with perl's libraries. Where are they located? |
| 18:29.30 | mgedmin | briefly |
| 18:30.11 | trevarthan | Perl's OK, until you start having to mess with cpan. :) |
| 18:33.48 | trevarthan | is perl something new in os 2007? I read a lot of people wishing that the 770 had perl... |
| 18:34.04 | trevarthan | but clearly perl-base exists and /usr/bin/perl exists... |
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| 18:36.04 | zuh | Not on my N800 they don't |
| 18:37.00 | trevarthan | on my n800: perl-base-5.8.3-3osso6 |
| 18:37.19 | trevarthan | maybe not installed by default, but looks like an official nokia package. |
| 18:37.21 | zuh | Also note that scratchbox has one version of perl, which has absolutely nothing to do with stuff on the device |
| 18:38.00 | mgedmin | perl-base is available from some 3rd party repository |
| 18:38.02 | zuh | Where does it come from? |
| 18:38.07 | mgedmin | indt's perhaps? |
| 18:38.09 | mgedmin | I don't remember |
| 18:38.30 | mgedmin | or maybe maemo-hackers? |
| 18:38.48 | zuh | I have one maemo-hackers repo, no perl-base |
| 18:39.45 | zuh | I have the "official" repos I know and apt-cache search returns nothing |
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| 18:40.24 | sbaturzio | Aloha! |
| 18:42.15 | trevarthan | do I have to run something after adding a line to /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 18:42.38 | zuh | apt-get update |
| 18:43.24 | trevarthan | zuh: thanks |
| 18:45.21 | trevarthan | does apt-cache search what is available in the repos? Or just what is installed on the machine? |
| 18:45.42 | trevarthan | trying to find a way to do something like `yum search perl-base` with apt tools. |
| 18:47.36 | zuh | Hmm, I'm not sure if it looks in the dpkg database... But if you need to find out, apt-cache policy will tell where it originates |
| 18:50.37 | tko | trevarthan: apt-cache search searches what was in the repositories at the time you last did apt-get update |
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| 18:56.12 | trevarthan | not a clue where that deb comes from. I added everything from my n800's /etc/apt/sources.list to my sdk's /etc/apt/sources.list then ran `apt-get update` and then `apt-cache search perl-base` and I still only see the SDK's "perl-base - perl-base from Scratchbox" |
| 18:56.48 | trevarthan | anyway, I guess it doesn't really matter. I can statically link perl into irssi if necessary. I just need to fix the configure issues, I think. |
| 19:00.01 | keesj | trevarthan: perpahs it's a configuration issues like "arm" v.c armel |
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| 19:10.09 | trevarthan | keesj: perl-base came with the sdk. I don't know how that would be possible... |
| 19:11.18 | keesj | I could , I guess it depends on how you setup the repository no? |
| 19:12.21 | trevarthan | dunno. I'm going through the configure script now trying to extract the flag info so I can perform the test they're using myself and see if I can tweak it. |
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| 20:55.08 | Lyndon | Hi! is there a way to get gps information for python, i've been googling a lot, but didn't get any conclusive answers :/ |
| 20:56.04 | luck^ | Hi Lyndon! gps binding is in our plans to the next pymaemo release |
| 20:57.48 | Lyndon | nice, well then i have time to learn more python ;) |
| 20:58.05 | luck^ | Lyndon, for sure :) |
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| 21:21.30 | chibiace | :) |
| 21:22.36 | chibiace | can anyone please tell me how i can edit my hosts file? |
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| 21:24.09 | b0unc3 | chibiace: vi /etc/hosts |
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| 21:26.22 | chibiace | lol vi is not my thing, i tried echo blah >> hosts |
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| 21:27.01 | chibiace | perhaps my problem is becomming root |
| 21:28.02 | b0unc3 | chibiace: two choices: enabling R&D mode or install becameroot |
| 21:28.49 | chibiace | which is better/easier |
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| 21:29.55 | b0unc3 | install becameroot package |
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| 21:37.09 | chibiace | thanks! |
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