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| 00:48.57 | neostrider | hello folks! |
| 00:49.09 | neostrider | anyone with guts to test my game?! |
| 00:49.58 | trevarthan | I might try it out. You test it yourself first? |
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| 00:52.29 | neostrider | sure |
| 00:52.36 | neostrider | im having lots of fun testing it =-) |
| 00:52.44 | unique311 | FLTK |
| 00:52.53 | unique311 | alternative for osx? |
| 00:53.14 | neostrider | FLTK is made with GL, right? |
| 00:54.03 | unique311 | yea |
| 00:54.44 | unique311 | know of similar apps for osx? |
| 00:54.58 | neostrider | similar apps for what use? |
| 00:55.06 | neostrider | FLTK is a GUI toolkit, just like GTK |
| 00:55.41 | unique311 | to create apps... |
| 00:55.57 | unique311 | but looking for the gui route. |
| 00:57.00 | neostrider | ok |
| 00:57.09 | neostrider | you can always try openstep |
| 00:57.16 | neostrider | cocoa is based on it |
| 00:57.20 | neostrider | and it is opensource |
| 00:59.09 | unique311 | thanks |
| 00:59.23 | unique311 | did you take a look at gimp.... |
| 00:59.30 | unique311 | well the source.. |
| 00:59.41 | neostrider | not actually |
| 01:00.06 | unique311 | got kegs compiled...appleIIGS EMU |
| 01:00.10 | neostrider | ive been focusing on juicing my game engine, its sluggish graphics get faster |
| 01:00.14 | neostrider | I think I just did it run ok |
| 01:00.35 | neostrider | I will put on the web for you to download...brb |
| 01:00.44 | unique311 | it runs in scratchbox....but when i run it on the device it segfaults.. |
| 01:00.48 | unique311 | very mad.. |
| 01:00.55 | unique311 | k |
| 01:02.44 | neostrider | divshare,right? |
| 01:05.35 | unique311 | yeah |
| 01:05.45 | unique311 | group maemo or n800 |
| 01:06.01 | trevarthan | unique311: what does an strace look like? |
| 01:06.42 | neostrider | http://www.divshare.com/download/747089-3dd |
| 01:07.12 | neostrider | please, leave the "storage" directory on the root of your mmc card (/media/mmc1) |
| 01:07.21 | neostrider | and also, please report ;-) |
| 01:07.26 | unique311 | k |
| 01:07.30 | unique311 | trevarthan... |
| 01:07.33 | unique311 | ??? |
| 01:07.58 | trevarthan | unique311: you've never used strace? |
| 01:08.13 | unique311 | no |
| 01:08.32 | trevarthan | might help you debug the segfault. tell you what it is doing right before the segfault anyway. |
| 01:08.48 | neostrider | brb - dinner |
| 01:08.50 | trevarthan | there's a version of strace for the n800. I can't remember where I got mine. |
| 01:09.16 | unique311 | so run kegs and then strace |
| 01:09.27 | trevarthan | nah, just run `strace kegs` |
| 01:09.27 | unique311 | it'll tell me why its seg faulting |
| 01:09.33 | unique311 | k.. |
| 01:09.40 | unique311 | let me get that done.. |
| 01:09.46 | trevarthan | maybe, maybe not. but it might point you in the right direction. |
| 01:10.20 | unique311 | k |
| 01:10.29 | unique311 | better than nothing.. |
| 01:11.52 | trevarthan | you can also attach to a running process, I think, using the -p option, I think. |
| 01:12.26 | trevarthan | So if it only crashes after you do something specific, you can start your app, get it ready, then connect and do that thing that crashes it. |
| 01:12.56 | unique311 | i think its a memory issue.. |
| 01:13.12 | unique311 | gotta find strace.. |
| 01:20.01 | neostrider | im back |
| 01:20.10 | neostrider | anyone tried the game? |
| 01:20.52 | unique311 | looking for strace,, |
| 01:20.52 | unique311 | i will in a bit |
| 01:22.40 | trevarthan | yeah, gimme a bit neostrider. I gotta do a firmware backup of my n800 first, just in case. |
| 01:23.28 | neostrider | haahha |
| 01:23.28 | neostrider | ok |
| 01:23.35 | neostrider | never tried on n800 indeed |
| 01:23.37 | neostrider | i just got 770 |
| 01:23.45 | neostrider | on the n800 it will rock =-) |
| 01:31.16 | unique311 | the deb pack crashes |
| 01:31.26 | unique311 | it starts..play it and crash |
| 01:36.15 | neostrider | wow |
| 01:36.15 | neostrider | 770 or N800? |
| 01:36.15 | unique311 | n800 |
| 01:36.15 | neostrider | hummm |
| 01:36.15 | neostrider | the splashscreen appears? |
| 01:36.15 | unique311 | it plays.. |
| 01:36.15 | unique311 | well now its playing nice.. |
| 01:36.15 | unique311 | running it from terminal |
| 01:36.15 | unique311 | no crashes yet |
| 01:36.16 | neostrider | strange |
| 01:36.20 | neostrider | slow? |
| 01:36.24 | unique311 | no.. |
| 01:36.30 | unique311 | start nice... |
| 01:36.32 | neostrider | good speed? |
| 01:36.42 | neostrider | or just "playable"? |
| 01:36.43 | unique311 | was it suppose to go in the extras folder. |
| 01:36.50 | unique311 | i placed it in the games folder |
| 01:37.11 | neostrider | I used to test it on extras, but on my 770, today, i used the games folder |
| 01:37.48 | unique311 | running it from terminal..no crash. |
| 01:37.56 | unique311 | running that icon... |
| 01:37.57 | neostrider | really strange... |
| 01:38.00 | unique311 | i get crashes.. |
| 01:38.53 | neostrider | maybe there is some differences between bora and gregalle |
| 01:39.02 | unique311 | maybe |
| 01:39.21 | unique311 | but definitely crashes when i don't run it from terminal.. |
| 01:39.29 | unique311 | sound would be nice... |
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| 01:41.05 | neostrider | on desktop, we already have music, but sbox doesnt like my /dev/dsp |
| 01:41.21 | neostrider | any comment on gameplay? |
| 01:41.28 | neostrider | can you please take a picture? =-D |
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| 01:44.00 | neostrider | anyone with a 770 can also test the game please? |
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| 01:47.19 | unique311 | hey trevarthan...can u send your copy of strace over here.. |
| 01:47.51 | neostrider | well folks... i must go to the redmondXP for a bit...so, good night |
| 01:48.00 | neostrider | thanks for the testing |
| 01:51.43 | trevarthan | unique311: turn on red pill mode in the application manager. I believe it shows up there. dpkg -p says I have strace-4.5.14-1.osso1, so I think it's a Nokia package. |
| 01:56.53 | trevarthan | I need to build a new kernel with jffs2 support. Anyone know how to turn it on through menuconfig? |
| 02:03.58 | unique311 | killed by SIGSGV |
| 02:04.05 | unique311 | lol |
| 02:04.20 | unique311 | had issues with that on another app.. |
| 02:04.42 | unique311 | basiliskII |
| 02:05.10 | trevarthan | what got SIGSGV'd? strace? Or app manager? |
| 02:05.23 | unique311 | strace |
| 02:07.54 | trevarthan | ummm... you've got serious problems then |
| 02:08.15 | trevarthan | when you run strace by itself? Or when you pair it with keg? |
| 02:08.22 | unique311 | when i pair it.. |
| 02:08.48 | unique311 | kegs is dying seg faulting for SIGSEGV |
| 02:10.05 | unique311 | now why i don't get the sigsegv in scratchbox... |
| 02:13.18 | trevarthan | I wonder if it's using some x86 specific asm? |
| 02:13.31 | trevarthan | I bet a bad CPU instruction would do that. |
| 02:14.45 | unique311 | gonna check the src..and compile...i compile it with some optimization flags i saw online.. |
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| 03:28.05 | neostrider | hello folks |
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| 04:20.04 | acydlord | the next version of debian needs to be out already lol |
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| 04:21.03 | dpb | lol.. wait a few years.. ;) |
| 04:21.41 | acydlord | i was going to port gtwitter to maemo |
| 04:21.53 | acydlord | but then debian decided to yell at me about some ooold libs |
| 04:24.21 | neostrider | acydlord , what is gtwitter? |
| 04:24.55 | acydlord | it's a little gtk/mono app for posting to twitter and viewing the twitter timelines |
| 04:25.00 | acydlord | http://twitter.com |
| 04:28.59 | pupnik | interesting |
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| 04:42.38 | acydlord | yeah, i got addicted to it |
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| 05:10.55 | mk8 | Hi to all ... |
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| 05:18.31 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:18.56 | unique311 | celebration |
| 05:18.59 | unique311 | hey |
| 05:19.07 | pupnik | been a while |
| 05:19.10 | unique311 | missing in action dude |
| 05:19.15 | unique311 | yeah man..where u been |
| 05:19.21 | pupnik | i was campaigning online for Ron Paul |
| 05:19.31 | unique311 | whose ron paul |
| 05:19.43 | unique311 | sorry i don't watch the news... |
| 05:19.50 | unique311 | so my current events suck |
| 05:20.02 | pupnik | it's offtopic here, you can check out #ronpaul for more info, or search youtube. |
| 05:20.09 | unique311 | k |
| 05:20.17 | unique311 | i have another emu under the belt.. |
| 05:20.22 | unique311 | i just got it to start.. |
| 05:20.29 | unique311 | apple IIgs |
| 05:20.32 | unique311 | kegs |
| 05:21.50 | unique311 | gonna test it out some more..and then share..keyboard is definitely necessary...but i think typing can be done via the terminal..i'm not sure how that came about.. |
| 05:23.34 | pupnik | nice |
| 05:25.33 | unique311 | i manage to get fmsx to start also... |
| 05:26.02 | unique311 | not sure what to do with it.. |
| 05:26.09 | pupnik | what is it |
| 05:30.31 | unique311 | an old school game console..fromt he looks of i... |
| 05:30.33 | unique311 | it |
| 05:30.40 | unique311 | i thought it was a sega emu |
| 05:30.58 | unique311 | but its like a desktop/game system... |
| 05:31.02 | unique311 | don't quote me on that |
| 05:31.32 | unique311 | http://fms.komkon.org/fMSX/ |
| 05:31.36 | pupnik | playstation portable |
| 05:31.59 | unique311 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSX |
| 05:32.03 | unique311 | no |
| 05:32.07 | pupnik | oh no |
| 05:32.09 | unique311 | home computer... |
| 05:32.10 | unique311 | by sony |
| 05:32.56 | unique311 | maybe i |
| 05:33.05 | unique311 | ll invest some time in that also.. |
| 06:06.13 | unique311 | pupnik..with synergy.. |
| 06:06.29 | unique311 | my notebook has has to be running the server.. |
| 06:06.32 | unique311 | or the n800 |
| 06:06.39 | unique311 | ? |
| 06:07.01 | pupnik | i run the server on my desktop pc |
| 06:07.05 | pupnik | should work both ways though |
| 06:07.54 | acydlord | yep, should work both ways |
| 06:11.37 | unique311 | k |
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| 08:29.49 | xbagz | hi there, n800 noob here. i just confiugured bluetooth with pand on my n800. right now i could ssh. and do apt-gets on the command line but browsing on the n800 apps doenst work. i already did the dummy iap gconf thing on the wiki. anyone know how to make this work? |
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| 08:48.56 | pupnik | hi xbagz |
| 08:49.20 | pupnik | what do you want to do? |
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| 08:50.43 | xbagz | i just want to surf on bluetooth... :) my wifi router broke. =( |
| 08:51.10 | pupnik | oh, no idea |
| 08:51.30 | xbagz | isok =) |
| 08:51.49 | xbagz | still googling =) |
| 08:51.49 | keesj | xbagz: I have not manager to do that yet, but I really would like :p |
| 08:53.15 | xbagz | yup.. it kinda sucks without wifi. |
| 08:53.34 | xbagz | its weird since apt-get on the cli works but the gui manager doesnt work |
| 08:54.40 | pupnik | that is confusing to me |
| 08:54.43 | pupnik | "gui manager"? |
| 08:54.47 | pupnik | = application installer? |
| 08:55.40 | xbagz | err.. application manager |
| 08:55.48 | xbagz | the apt-frontend |
| 08:55.51 | xbagz | =) |
| 08:56.52 | pupnik | that's strange |
| 09:03.13 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 09:12.09 | pupnik | hi Jaffa |
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| 09:22.38 | mogli | nokiq internet tablets eh? |
| 09:23.02 | pupnik | maemo is development environment for them yes |
| 09:23.21 | mogli | koolnesss |
| 09:23.22 | mogli | brb |
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| 09:42.42 | sbaturzio | Aloha! |
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| 12:15.13 | eichi | hello, someone here, uses the maemo mapper? |
| 12:15.51 | eichi | how much space do the maps need? If I want to download all maps from germany..how much MB can this be? |
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| 12:46.53 | pupnik | hi eichi, i am sorry you will have to search the web |
| 13:00.23 | wazquis | eichi: a LOT! |
| 13:01.34 | wazquis | eichi: if you limit which zoomlevels and don't need the most-zoomed-in, then you can save a lot of space |
| 13:02.14 | wazquis | eichi: i downloaded a couple of areas in denmark and i've used 300mb with every second zoomlevel and still not having the most-zoomed in |
| 13:02.19 | wazquis | (both typo and sat that is) |
| 13:02.34 | wazquis | i think you can save a lot if you only need typo |
| 13:06.41 | keesj | eichi: are you serious? I guess it depends on the scale you download but I don't think it will fit any sd-card in the market |
| 13:07.06 | eichi | i have a 2 gb sd card for this |
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| 13:10.41 | nomis | well, germany only is not that hard, you could e.g. skip the two finest resolutions |
| 13:11.10 | nomis | go from top to bottom and see how fast your space fills up. |
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| 14:30.43 | eichi | nomis: is there a way to see this in linux with firefox? |
| 14:34.37 | eichi | okay, I see I see ;) it could be get very big ;) |
| 14:34.44 | eichi | *become |
| 14:35.52 | eichi | In the most navi software there are no pictures but geometric data or why there is so small place with such nice map? |
| 14:36.46 | gla55 | most have vector data yes |
| 14:39.21 | eichi | maybe the free software must work together with openstreetmap.org |
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| 14:48.07 | Cyorxamp | Lo, I'm an owner of a Zaurus PDA... I used have a HP pdaphone... I want to go back to something like that again (either pda or umpc with phone) but with linux... does nokia only do that one tablet? |
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| 14:51.22 | gla55 | only 770 and 800, neither have a phone |
| 14:52.26 | Cyorxamp | tis a shame |
| 14:52.48 | Cyorxamp | the only decent devices out there are the HTC ones - but linux is far from ready on them |
| 14:53.12 | Cyorxamp | I don't suppose anyone has been replacing symbian for linux on some nokia phones? |
| 14:54.28 | gla55 | nope |
| 14:54.36 | Efrael | It would be a huge project |
| 14:54.40 | gla55 | not so far as a bootloader or anything |
| 14:55.14 | gla55 | yeah it would be pretty huge... |
| 14:55.26 | Cyorxamp | linux just has no hope then atm :( |
| 14:55.38 | Cyorxamp | not in a total-combined mobile area |
| 14:56.27 | Cyorxamp | I don't suppose those tablets allow for those PCMCIA cards that can use SIM cards? lol |
| 14:56.30 | gla55 | well.. some motos got linux.. but. locked so away that it's rather irrelevant that they're linux |
| 14:56.51 | gla55 | no pcmcia slot |
| 14:57.54 | Cyorxamp | atm I'm using a Nokia 6100 with a Zaurus SL-5500.... internet via GRPS > Infrared |
| 14:57.56 | Cyorxamp | which is crap |
| 14:58.24 | gla55 | infrared is pretty crap |
| 14:58.25 | Cyorxamp | And it doesn't work, since I'm not on contract I can't use the GPRS modem for IR use on the phone - grr! |
| 14:58.37 | gla55 | bluetooth is much nicer |
| 14:58.43 | Cyorxamp | Well theres no point in me having a bluetooth phone as the PDA isn't bluetooth |
| 14:59.04 | Cyorxamp | and Sharp have pulled out of the american/european market for there linux PDA's - only japan now |
| 14:59.07 | gla55 | well, there's some sd cards with bt for it, right? |
| 14:59.28 | Cyorxamp | I could probably get a Bluetooth CF card - like I have a Wi-Fi CF card |
| 14:59.48 | Cyorxamp | but I'm still left with the issue that I can't use my phones GPRS modem anyways - since I'm on pay&go |
| 15:00.39 | Cyorxamp | I never had this issue with the Jornada 928 - just worked... but it ran evil windows and HP abandoned it |
| 15:07.01 | Cyorxamp | hmm HTC have a mobile computer now with built in phone |
| 15:16.11 | Cyorxamp | will the 770 or the 800 play OGG media files okay? |
| 15:16.26 | gla55 | yeah |
| 15:16.38 | Cyorxamp | niiiiice :D |
| 15:16.43 | Cyorxamp | I think I'm buying one |
| 15:17.03 | zuh | Though not out of the box... |
| 15:17.13 | Cyorxamp | Whats the linux it uses a derivative of? Debian? |
| 15:17.53 | zuh | It uses the package management of debian, but that's about as far as the similarities go. It's pretty custom system. |
| 15:18.00 | Cyorxamp | ipkg ? |
| 15:18.21 | zuh | no, regular dpkg |
| 15:18.35 | zuh | I guess it's patched somehow, but not sure... |
| 15:18.36 | Cyorxamp | cool, whats the window manager? |
| 15:18.46 | zuh | Matchbox |
| 15:18.50 | Cyorxamp | so you can use not only the nokia repository then I guess? |
| 15:19.38 | zuh | Yeah, normal debian packages won't work (at least not due to dependancies, the armel port might even be binary compatible...) |
| 15:19.47 | Cyorxamp | I'm thinking ditch the 6100 and the Zaurus - get a shiney yet uncomplicated bluetooth nokia - and a N800 |
| 15:20.32 | Cyorxamp | so it is ARM based? |
| 15:20.45 | gla55 | there's plenty of info on http://maemo.org/ etc |
| 15:21.17 | Cyorxamp | I don't see any mention of the specific tablets on there |
| 15:21.20 | gla55 | if you want to try it out then the dev env gives you a chance(though it lacks properiaty apps) |
| 15:21.39 | gla55 | 770 and 800 are arm |
| 15:22.52 | Cyorxamp | what has been known to work well (out of nokia phones) with the N800? as seamless as possible |
| 15:25.53 | gla55 | any recent nokia bt phone should be painless |
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| 15:48.40 | Cyorxamp | Damned PC reset |
| 15:49.07 | Cyorxamp | I was asking what would be a good nokia phone (naturally it doesn't have to do loads, since the N800 would) to put with the N800? |
| 15:49.41 | gla55 | any recent one with bt, you somewhere with 3g? |
| 15:49.55 | Cyorxamp | yeah the UK has 3G everywhere |
| 15:50.15 | Cyorxamp | but I like a phone that just calls and SMS - nothing over fancy or I feel like Axing it |
| 15:50.30 | sxpert | 3G is pretty useless, considering how expensive it is |
| 15:50.32 | Cyorxamp | I know its a stupid thing to ask... a bog standard 3G/Bluetooth phone hehe |
| 15:50.47 | gla55 | sxpert: that entirely depends on your operator |
| 15:51.06 | gla55 | sxpert: unlimited plans are 10-30e here, depending on speed |
| 15:51.08 | sxpert | hmmm.. |
| 15:51.17 | cosmo_ | Cyorxamp: i've got samsung z150, it's really small and does everything needed |
| 15:51.21 | gla55 | frm 128kbit/s to max hsdpa.. |
| 15:51.30 | cosmo_ | nokia doesn't have small phones |
| 15:51.33 | Cyorxamp | cosmo_: I'd rather go with a Nokia, I always have |
| 15:51.39 | sxpert | gla55, guess we're being ripped off here |
| 15:51.56 | gla55 | sxpert: i guess. 3g really is useless if you pay per mb.. |
| 15:52.14 | sxpert | gla55, yeah, it's the type of pricing here... |
| 15:52.34 | Cyorxamp | So an uncomplicated Nokia 3G/GPRS/Bluetooth phone? theres billions of nokia phones - any recommendations ? |
| 15:53.07 | gla55 | Cyorxamp: well, some recent s40 phone then. it really depends on what form factor you want i guess |
| 15:53.08 | sxpert | they have "unlimited" that's really limited to 500MB if you read the fine print, and you can't use anything that'd do "streaming" |
| 15:53.48 | sxpert | and that's 70 eur or so |
| 15:55.10 | gla55 | Cyorxamp: something like 6151 i guess |
| 15:55.26 | Cyorxamp | the headphones they N800 come with - they just standard 3.5mm headphone jack ones? |
| 15:55.43 | Cyorxamp | it gives a nokia code for them - which makes me worries |
| 15:55.52 | Cyorxamp | and the tech spec of the N800 I'd hardly say is complete |
| 15:56.31 | sxpert | Cyorxamp, yeah, anything will do |
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| 15:56.57 | Cyorxamp | sxpert: so it's not like its a special nokia port? infact what ports does it have |
| 15:57.00 | Cyorxamp | mini usb maybe? |
| 15:57.15 | sxpert | yeah. mini usb |
| 15:57.24 | Cyorxamp | and a standard 3.5mm jack? |
| 15:57.30 | sxpert | yeah |
| 15:57.36 | Cyorxamp | normal nokia charger cable? |
| 15:57.50 | Cyorxamp | sorry to be a pain - I can't find any better tech specs out there |
| 15:57.54 | sxpert | the only thing I can think of is if there was a connection for the radio antenna on the 3.5 jack |
| 15:58.09 | sxpert | Cyorxamp, get the FCC declaration :D |
| 15:58.39 | Cyorxamp | whats the internal memory like? |
| 15:58.57 | sxpert | hmm ? |
| 15:59.07 | Cyorxamp | just says 128mb ram - that includes everything? cuz its a bit crapy |
| 16:00.32 | sxpert | that's pretty complete... http://www.nokia.co.uk/A4305205 |
| 16:01.11 | sxpert | Cyorxamp, why would 128 MB be crappy ? |
| 16:01.25 | sxpert | you're not supposed to run openoffice on that thing |
| 16:01.30 | Cyorxamp | 128mb for all installed applications? |
| 16:01.53 | Cyorxamp | thats only double what my zaurus can do - and that is about 5 years old now |
| 16:02.23 | sxpert | you can use a file in the micro-SD as "swap" |
| 16:02.52 | Cyorxamp | and combine the 128mb and 256mb for the rootfs? |
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| 16:03.41 | defor | hello |
| 16:04.39 | sxpert | Cyorxamp, no. the 256 are inside the thing, where the OS and apps are installed. |
| 16:05.17 | Cyorxamp | so the 256mb section is the rootfs? whilst the 128mb ram is just normal ram? |
| 16:05.23 | sxpert | yeah |
| 16:05.29 | Cyorxamp | oh that sounds better :D |
| 16:06.30 | defor | hello... I've just started using a n770, but I'm curious, is the 800 really that large a leap in terms of performance, etc? I can't stand the 800's case design, but if it holds that many advantages over the 770, maybe it's worth switching to it... |
| 16:08.07 | Cyorxamp | sxpert: so no one has replaced the OS like they did with the zaurus... its just already flexible enough to do whatever you need with it (he says glancing at the forum, at OGG support... DOOM... etc...) |
| 16:08.45 | sxpert | well, yes, it's based on debian |
| 16:09.02 | sxpert | using apt-get as package manager |
| 16:09.37 | Cyorxamp | which debian ? sarge? |
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| 16:13.57 | Protocol- | Cyroxamp: you can boot from the mmc card, I use a 1G card it works great |
| 16:14.34 | Cyorxamp | I do that with my zaurus... the internal memory has a bootstrap and OpenZaurus boots from SD |
| 16:14.56 | Protocol- | to answer the first question, for a good and easy nokia phone 3G/etc.. is the e61.. |
| 16:15.27 | Cyorxamp | and it's not going to want to wash my dishes and suck out my brain and attend to my every need when I just need a freaking phone? |
| 16:15.39 | Protocol- | that's what I use, the OS is symbian that sucks a bit but it does everything |
| 16:15.42 | gla55 | e61 is definetely not just a phone |
| 16:15.51 | Cyorxamp | blah! |
| 16:15.53 | gla55 | for starters it has a qwerty pad |
| 16:16.08 | gla55 | multitasking os, webkit browser |
| 16:16.20 | Protocol- | it has edge/umts/gprs/wifi/bt |
| 16:16.30 | Cyorxamp | ok, nm... tbh I'd only be compromising - I want the N800 to already be GSM and 3G (phone and SMS) |
| 16:16.37 | Protocol- | a functional sip client |
| 16:16.41 | Cyorxamp | so are Nokia planning anything for later? |
| 16:16.50 | gla55 | Cyorxamp: maybe in few years |
| 16:16.54 | Cyorxamp | oh ffs |
| 16:16.55 | gla55 | nothing you should wait for |
| 16:17.09 | Cyorxamp | but I've been waiting aaages! |
| 16:17.20 | Protocol- | there is also the e or n 95? but it's really not the cheapest |
| 16:17.25 | gla55 | you could buy a greenphone but it blows |
| 16:17.37 | gla55 | Protocol-: neither e61 nor n95 fit what Cyorxamp was looking for |
| 16:17.55 | defor | uhm... totally different question... has there been any success enabling host mode on n800? |
| 16:17.59 | gla55 | nice phones, yes (got a n95 here), but not really something you'd use to answer calls and act as modem for n800 |
| 16:18.02 | Cyorxamp | Can I send text messages from the N800 when connected to another nokia phone? |
| 16:18.24 | gla55 | don't think there's any apps for that.. hmm |
| 16:18.46 | Cyorxamp | blah! Nokia == Phone Manufacturers... WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY PLAYING AT |
| 16:19.05 | Protocol- | gla55: I use it exactly for this.. to get my n770 easily connected to gprs/3g etc.. |
| 16:19.25 | Cyorxamp | Bugger it I'm gonna stick to my Zaurus + Nokia 6100 combination until someone makes something worth buying |
| 16:19.40 | Protocol- | I got the e61 for 200 euro 2nd hand |
| 16:20.37 | gla55 | Cyorxamp: they got their reasons for using os's they use.. |
| 16:20.45 | gla55 | Cyorxamp: anyhow, you could buy a greenphone today |
| 16:20.57 | gla55 | from trolltech |
| 16:21.12 | gla55 | techwise it's nothing fancy though(imho) |
| 16:21.23 | Cyorxamp | but its GREEN! |
| 16:21.52 | gla55 | dunno whats the status of neo1973 |
| 16:22.11 | gla55 | techwise though again it's nothing special |
| 16:22.26 | robtaylor | there's telepathy-blue |
| 16:22.43 | robtaylor | not sure what the status of it is on the n800 though |
| 16:23.42 | Protocol- | gla55: what makes you say "not really something you'd use to answer calls and act as modem for n800"? |
| 16:23.52 | Cyorxamp | Nokia, HTC, Sharp - they are all _so_ close... but no cigar |
| 16:24.20 | Cyorxamp | When someone makes a viable linux PDA/UMPC Phone - let me know |
| 16:24.31 | Cyorxamp | But I'll probably be dead by then |
| 16:24.47 | gla55 | Protocol-: ..that they're more of high end than lowend phones |
| 16:25.16 | gla55 | protocol: featurewise they overlap with n800 too |
| 16:25.41 | Protocol- | maybe indeed |
| 16:26.11 | gla55 | definetely they weren't the kind of phones Cyorxamp was asking about, where the more lowend s40's fit the bill |
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| 16:29.08 | Cyorxamp | lol gla55 - my Nokia 6100 already is a S40 |
| 16:30.40 | gla55 | yeah, i figured some s40 with bt and 3g would have been a good replacement |
| 16:33.44 | Cyorxamp | coudlnt' the N800 just run a form of GNocky or Nokia Data Suite ?! |
| 16:34.01 | Cyorxamp | thus access via bluetooth the ability to send SMS and get access to the phone directory? |
| 16:34.13 | Cyorxamp | maybe even sync that directory with an LDAP server? :D |
| 16:34.44 | Cyorxamp | or am I thinking too quickly for slow pace of industry? :D |
| 16:35.01 | gla55 | i guess it could |
| 16:35.29 | gla55 | it would be nice if nokia ported it's pc suites functionality to it |
| 16:35.30 | Cyorxamp | phone are cool - I get that... grab your phone - go off for a night out |
| 16:35.38 | Cyorxamp | grab your phone and tablet - go to woek |
| 16:35.39 | Cyorxamp | *work |
| 16:37.27 | molkko | how do you find out the "namespace" of dbus. i mean what messages make sense to send to dbus |
| 16:37.37 | Cyorxamp | what is Gnokii was ported? www.gnokii.org |
| 16:37.47 | Cyorxamp | it's already GTK+ |
| 16:37.48 | molkko | who is listening dbus |
| 16:38.09 | Protocol- | Cyorxamp: there is gnokii already I think |
| 16:38.15 | Cyorxamp | neat! |
| 16:38.21 | Protocol- | wait, or gammu/wammu? |
| 16:38.28 | Cyorxamp | so you can already send sms's and access your phone book ;D |
| 16:38.34 | Cyorxamp | gammu wammu? wha? |
| 16:39.16 | gla55 | gnokii commandline is ported at least |
| 16:39.23 | Cyorxamp | lol |
| 16:39.31 | Cyorxamp | it's a start! |
| 16:40.04 | Cyorxamp | ok I thinks its time I jumped off the sinking ship of angstrom/openzaurus |
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| 16:49.00 | Cyorxamp | gla55: 6510, 6310, 8310, 6310i, 6360, 6610, 6100, 5100, 3510, 3510i, 3595, 6800, 6810, 6820, 6820b, 6610i, 6230, 6650, 7210, 7250, 7250i, 7600, 6170, 6020, 6230i |
| 16:49.17 | Cyorxamp | I will check them all - but off hand ... know if any of those have bluetooth? |
| 16:49.23 | Cyorxamp | Nokia has faaar too many phones lol |
| 16:49.37 | Cyorxamp | They are the ones that Gnokii is known to work with |
| 16:52.58 | sxpert | Cyorxamp, lol |
| 16:53.25 | sxpert | nokia starts with the assumption that everyone will want a different phone |
| 16:54.23 | gla55 | Cyorxamp: are those the only phones? not newer s40's? |
| 16:54.50 | gla55 | nokia has just few platforms.. but a shitload of models |
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| 18:08.48 | Cyorxamp | Nokia sure does have some horrid 3G flip phones |
| 18:10.05 | Cyorxamp | 6292 looks good |
| 18:10.48 | zakx | Your search - "nokia 6292" - did not match any documents. |
| 18:11.00 | Cyorxamp | http://europe.nokia.com/A4254250 |
| 18:11.16 | Cyorxamp | ah lol... 6290 hehe |
| 18:11.22 | zakx | heh |
| 18:11.40 | Cyorxamp | it's a flippy bluetoothy 3g-ey... thing |
| 18:11.45 | zakx | got the 6280 since yesterday |
| 18:11.47 | Cyorxamp | might be a good companion to the N800 |
| 18:12.02 | zakx | didn't try 3G with n800 yet though |
| 18:12.54 | Cyorxamp | gotta ditch my two official nokia stands with the phone as well :( |
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| 18:21.02 | Cyorxamp | I still think I'm gonna hold off - at least for now I know Nokia are worth watching in this area |
| 18:21.33 | Cyorxamp | I like a PDA that has a keyboard and cover built in - my Zaurus SL-5500 had it and my Jornada 928 did |
| 18:22.02 | Cyorxamp | I'll be back in umm 6 months - xmas :D bye |
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| 18:37.31 | tigert_ | heh |
| 18:37.37 | tigert_ | wow, what happened to my nick |
| 18:37.48 | tigert | better |
| 18:38.30 | tigert | its very clever idea |
| 18:40.38 | zuh | It could be better though, specially with situations where you want to see some context too |
| 18:41.18 | zuh | But it's The IM on the device for sure |
| 18:49.24 | roope | :) |
| 18:52.04 | roope | The context issue is a problem. I was looking at the ubuntu things. the transparent keyboard. |
| 18:57.24 | roope | We also studied transparency, but it's really hard to make it work, hard on many levels. |
| 18:58.00 | roope | even on the UI level, not to mention the technical problems. |
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| 19:20.15 | Andy80 | hi |
| 19:20.20 | Robot101 | yo |
| 19:20.52 | Robot101 | roope: actually updating the display is so slow you can have any amount of pretty graphics you want on the CPU, and not affect the speed :) |
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| 20:02.12 | Andy80 | a question about maemo mapper... I'm using latest version (1.4.5) on my 770, and I've a Bt77 GPS receiver. I can download maps correctly and I can connect with bt77 without problems. The question is: since maemo mapper knows the gps position, how can I display my position on the map? I only can see the map and the coordinates in the gps info, but I would like to see a simple "point" on the map that shows where I am. Is i |
| 20:02.12 | Andy80 | t possible? |
| 20:26.44 | unique311 | java working in mono, anybody made that happen yet... |
| 20:27.00 | unique311 | i tried but cant understand some of the instructions.. |
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| 21:00.42 | unique311 | pupnik... |
| 21:01.08 | unique311 | i found the file you need to modify in pose to change the window position and size.. |
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| 22:42.25 | pulsar_ | has anyone run into an issue where it was no longer possible to start the software manegement tool? |
| 22:43.25 | pulsar_ | the apt database is prefectly ok, and everything works on the shell. but the frontend seems to have some startup issues. sometimes it just hangs and leaves a dead window. |
| 22:43.50 | pupnik | What OS? |
| 22:44.09 | pulsar_ | 2007 |
| 22:44.48 | pupnik | Do you see any errors in the log of app manager? |
| 22:45.04 | pulsar_ | nope. so you did not :) |
| 22:45.40 | unique311 | any deb pack for QEMU...running on the n800/770 |
| 22:45.41 | unique311 | ? |
| 22:45.43 | pulsar_ | i have tons of 3rd party tools / apt sources set up. perhaps some of the apps / libs is causing the issues. |
| 22:46.35 | pulsar_ | the funny thing, 1 of 10 attempts the app starts correctly. |
| 22:46.44 | pulsar_ | seems like a timing issue |
| 22:49.15 | pulsar_ | and somethign completly different: the latest ubuntu has some link issues with sdl/ttf. libX11.so.6 undefined smbol DPMSDisable. Anyone an idea how to get this working again - besides patching sdl sources. |
| 22:56.55 | pupnik | that looks like a problem with X, not SDL |
| 22:56.55 | pulsar_ | nah, lib ttf seems to be linked against the wrong x version. |
| 22:57.53 | pulsar_ | as it appears to me at least. |
| 22:58.19 | pupnik | ahhh |
| 22:59.06 | pupnik | i'm a sidux nazi and ubuntu users are communists |
| 22:59.16 | pupnik | :) |
| 22:59.37 | pulsar_ | yeah, whatever :) |
| 22:59.43 | pulsar_ | lets go back to gentoo |
| 23:00.07 | pupnik | this is #maemo |
| 23:02.37 | pupnik | unique311: forget qemu |
| 23:10.32 | unique311 | why? |
| 23:10.39 | unique311 | not possible? |
| 23:11.58 | pulsar_ | performance will suck for sure, perhaps thats what he meant? |
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| 23:13.46 | unique311 | k |
| 23:14.07 | unique311 | pupnik pose |
| 23:14.12 | unique311 | whats the status...? |
| 23:14.14 | unique311 | dead |
| 23:14.54 | unique311 | the guys over at #hackndev said go with qemu running palm roms.... |
| 23:14.58 | unique311 | better option. |
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| 23:17.52 | pulsar_ | you basically you want to run palm apps on your nokia? |
| 23:18.38 | unique311 | well |
| 23:18.45 | unique311 | yes.. |
| 23:18.53 | pulsar_ | how is that supposed to work without the whole underlaying software architecutre? |
| 23:19.42 | pupnik_ | You need to download palmOS |
| 23:19.42 | pulsar_ | or is it about emulating the palmos in the first place? |
| 23:19.44 | unique311 | pupnik made it happen.. |
| 23:19.51 | pulsar_ | ic |
| 23:20.03 | pupnik_ | unique311: found the palmOS online |
| 23:20.12 | unique311 | the screen size.. |
| 23:20.17 | pupnik_ | oh yeah i can fix that now |
| 23:20.21 | pupnik_ | just need to do it |
| 23:20.29 | unique311 | when doubled 255 percent of the screen is missing |
| 23:20.38 | unique311 | when in regular mode its tiny |
| 23:20.53 | unique311 | i found 2 files in the source.. |
| 23:21.12 | pupnik_ | yeah could you /msg those filenames to me? |
| 23:21.13 | unique311 | i think deals with size..but rotation of the gui is whats needed |
| 23:21.18 | unique311 | yeah |
| 23:21.21 | pupnik_ | yes |
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| 23:52.30 | T12U | I am trying to install maemo-gpsdrive onto my Nokia 770 running OS 2006 edition and I am getting "Unable to install. Package is incompatible with current software." |
| 23:52.44 | T12U | any help would be greatly appreciated |
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| 23:53.06 | pulsar_ | seems its not meant to be used on os 2006 |
| 23:53.54 | T12U | if you don't mind me asking, is there a version of maemo-gpsdrive that can be installed and ran on os 2006? |
| 23:53.56 | pulsar_ | are you using the deb packages? |
| 23:54.00 | pulsar_ | no idea |
| 23:54.13 | T12U | I have tried to do a search on google but with no solution |
| 23:54.30 | pupnik | Hmm |
| 23:54.32 | pulsar_ | well, if you get the deb package, you can still try to "force" its installation |
| 23:55.10 | pulsar_ | but that behaviour must be for a reason, so it might cause you more troubles than you can handle :) |
| 23:55.12 | T12U | I first installed Xterm and then maemo-libpcre3, maemo-gpsd, and now I am stuck on the last program to be installed |
| 23:55.24 | pupnik | How are you installing |
| 23:55.31 | pulsar_ | you use dpkg -i <package> ? |
| 23:55.36 | pulsar_ | try --force then. |
| 23:55.53 | pupnik | if you use dpkg -i, you probably have the wrong package |
| 23:55.55 | T12U | No I downloaded each of them from the site that had the tutorial |
| 23:56.16 | pupnik | that's why we have repositories and apt-get or application manager |
| 23:57.35 | T12U | oh ok. So do you happen to know where can I download the correct package for os 2006 and a way to "force" install it? |
| 23:57.52 | pulsar_ | where is that tutorial page you are talking about? |
| 23:57.55 | pulsar_ | let me have a look |
| 23:58.02 | T12U | http://tabletblog.com/2006/02/howto-bluetooth-gps-and-gpsdrive-on.html |
| 23:59.51 | pulsar_ | hmm.. on os 2007 there is osso-gpsd daemon, is that equivalent to maemo-gpsd? |