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| 05:16.36 | *** topic/#maemo is maemo is the application development platform for the Nokia Internet Tablets | Good questions deserve better answers | http://maemo.org | irc logs at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/os2007on770/ | http://www.flickr.com/groups/maemo/ |
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| 07:05.02 | oil | hi, one basic question: on n800, how can I get shell access and sshd on the device |
| 07:09.24 | pyhimys | oil: yes |
| 07:09.45 | pyhimys | oil: there is instructions on the maemo.org site |
| 07:10.59 | pyhimys | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/InstallSsh |
| 07:11.30 | oil | ok. thanks. I'll follow that one |
| 07:12.12 | zakx | oil: better follow http://maemo.org/community/wiki/installssh2006/ |
| 07:12.24 | zakx | it's not as outdated as the first one |
| 07:12.46 | oil | thanks. and the instructions for 770 and 800 are the same? |
| 07:13.00 | zakx | that's messed up |
| 07:13.11 | zakx | wait a second, i'll get my n800 and walk you through |
| 07:14.51 | zakx | oil: so, do you have the last firmware installed? |
| 07:16.04 | oil | zakx: yes. I'll have the latest |
| 07:16.04 | oil | this will take a while. I'll add up all the repositories to the terminal |
| 07:16.08 | zakx | notice that you shouldn't use "mistral" repositories |
| 07:16.34 | zakx | that's the old maemo 2.0 release |
| 07:16.50 | zakx | n800 runs 3.1, so you need to add "bora"-repositories |
| 07:17.20 | zakx | you should also add no repositories meant for use with the SDK |
| 07:17.32 | zakx | as they will most likely brick your installation |
| 07:18.14 | zakx | for openssh you'll want "deb http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free non-free" |
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| 07:18.28 | zakx | you can add that using the GUI package manager |
| 07:19.20 | zakx | if you did not do this yet, activate the red pill mode: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationManagerRedPillMode |
| 07:19.57 | oil | ok thanks. I'll try to get things working. nice to learn about the device |
| 07:20.00 | zakx | you'll need that as the application only installs and displays user/*-packages |
| 07:20.58 | zakx | when in red pill mode, you can install everything, but be careful with that ;) |
| 07:20.58 | zakx | after these steps you can easily select "openssh" via the program and install it |
| 07:21.03 | zakx | you'll be able to ssh into it now (as root, password is "rootme") |
| 07:21.53 | zakx | better change the password after your first login |
| 07:21.53 | zakx | ;) |
| 07:21.53 | zakx | if you want a terminal on the device itself, there's a package named osso-terminal or something like that |
| 07:21.54 | oil | yes. better. or i'll have some unwanted visitors on the device :) |
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| 07:42.53 | oil | cool. now I'm on root access to the n800 :) |
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| 07:49.50 | Dazgard | hi there |
| 07:50.16 | Dazgard | im trying to code a little multitrak app for sound recording with python/gst |
| 07:50.57 | Dazgard | where can i get code sample, tutorial and doc please ? |
| 07:51.09 | Dazgard | im searching for maemo specifique stuff |
| 07:51.16 | Dazgard | specific |
| 07:51.28 | melmoth | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/ |
| 07:51.47 | melmoth | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial_bora.html |
| 07:53.07 | Dazgard | ok cool |
| 07:53.16 | melmoth | and of course: |
| 07:53.18 | melmoth | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/python_maemo_3.x_howto.html |
| 07:53.21 | melmoth | :) |
| 07:54.31 | oil | I forgot to say big thanks for the help :) |
| 07:54.39 | Dazgard | thanks, are there any python/gst stuff specofic to maemo, i mean things like dspmp3sink for example |
| 07:54.56 | melmoth | i know nothing about gstreamer, so i dont know. |
| 07:55.18 | Dazgard | ok, anyway thanks fpr the links abobe ;) |
| 07:55.23 | Dazgard | above |
| 07:56.49 | zakx | oil: you're welcome :) |
| 07:57.24 | oil | there will be lot's of question for more.. after I'll get introduced with this device :) |
| 07:57.54 | oil | btw. do you know how to sniff which wlan AP's are around? |
| 08:02.43 | `0660 | oil, just click the globe in the top right corner and it will show you available ap's :) |
| 08:03.09 | oil | or even better. if the terminal connects to a certain wlan apn, then I can do some actions |
| 08:03.36 | oil | :) but I'm looking for an daemon or similar for wall garden |
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| 08:08.01 | oil | eg. when the device finds an open ssid, which requires login. the device would do the login automatically |
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| 09:32.39 | tko | now we only need flexible cpu: http://youtube.com/?v=H7QbQugXy1A :) |
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| 09:44.45 | eichi | hello ;) |
| 09:45.21 | eichi | I want to buy an nokia n800, is it advisable ? |
| 09:52.46 | inz | eichi, depends on whom you ask and what you're looking for |
| 09:52.56 | inz | eichi, generally I'd say: "Hell yeah!" |
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| 10:02.37 | eichi | which desktop runs on the n800? i dont know this one on linux |
| 10:05.03 | melmoth | hildon |
| 10:06.00 | melmoth | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HildonDesktopPortability |
| 10:08.42 | eichi | there is no problem, killing software like opera and install firefox etc? |
| 10:10.40 | melmoth | well, i dont know |
| 10:10.42 | melmoth | i use opera |
| 10:11.21 | eichi | hm okay |
| 10:11.57 | eichi | you use wlan for surfing in the internet? |
| 10:12.42 | melmoth | wireless lan ? yep |
| 10:12.47 | melmoth | there is no other choice. |
| 10:12.54 | inz | sure there is |
| 10:12.57 | melmoth | well, actually there is a way to have network via usb |
| 10:13.07 | inz | Or grps with a bluetooth phone |
| 10:13.20 | melmoth | oh yeah, i forgot this one |
| 10:14.33 | inz | Had I a company paid phone, that'd be my primary access |
| 10:14.51 | inz | Now I only use wlan @home or @work |
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| 13:06.31 | cb22 | Hi there! A bit off topic, but.... I'm part of the project thats porting Linux to the H63XX series of iPaqs, which happen to have a vary similar processor (OMAP1510) and the same DSP (TMS320C55x), albit at a lower frequency. Never having worked with a DSP before, I'm wondering would it be possible to checkout all the DSP related things, like dspgateway and the gstreamer dsp sinks, compile them, and run them on the iPaq? |
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| 13:25.11 | MDK | I don't think we've got this parts open |
| 13:32.05 | MDK | dsp things are rather on the proprietary side |
| 13:39.03 | oil_ | iih. 1 day and bricked n800 :) |
| 13:39.18 | oil_ | the device refuses to boot anymore |
| 13:39.34 | oil_ | maybe a reinstallation of the os would help? |
| 13:40.12 | zuh | Most likely, unless you did something really naughty |
| 13:40.33 | oil_ | not really. hopefully |
| 13:40.56 | oil_ | i suppose there is no 'safe' mode boot ? |
| 13:44.37 | zuh | Nope |
| 13:44.54 | Juhaz | but turning the software watchdog off might help, depend on why it's not booting |
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| 13:45.30 | oil_ | Juhaz: how to do that? the device tries to boot but fails. I can not do anything? |
| 13:46.00 | Juhaz | at what point of the boot process does it fail? |
| 13:46.37 | oil_ | I get the Nokia logo. Then after a while it just reboots itself |
| 13:47.04 | zuh | No progressbar? |
| 13:47.17 | oil_ | it got to a third or something |
| 13:47.23 | unique311_ | what would cause a program to run great in the scratchbox environment....and to seg fault on the device... |
| 13:47.38 | oil_ | now I re-installad the image.. and progressbar went all the way to the end |
| 13:47.41 | unique311_ | no errors on the device... |
| 13:47.49 | oil_ | ok. now it's ok. |
| 13:48.15 | unique311_ | Visual 0 will use shared memory for X Segmentation fault |
| 13:48.35 | unique311_ | stomped.... |
| 13:48.59 | unique311_ | i'm thinking its the optimize CFLAGS i used in scratchbox.. |
| 13:49.31 | unique311_ | the program is apple IIgs emulator....kegs. |
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| 14:46.22 | unique311 | hello |
| 14:46.31 | unique311 | anybody in here |
| 14:47.25 | maddler | maybe... |
| 14:47.48 | unique311 | ok i'll take maybe |
| 14:48.02 | unique311 | got some issues... |
| 14:48.25 | unique311 | i compiled...kegs..which is a apple IIgs emulator.. |
| 14:48.51 | unique311 | works fine in scratchbox, but when i run it on the device it seg faults.... |
| 14:48.58 | unique311 | with no erros... |
| 14:49.03 | unique311 | errors |
| 14:49.43 | unique311 | is that a common thing for an app to work in scratchbox and not work on the device.. |
| 14:51.32 | melmoth | mine segfault already in scractchbox :) |
| 14:52.39 | unique311 | urs.. |
| 14:52.44 | unique311 | apple IIgs? |
| 14:53.07 | melmoth | non the apps i write in scracthbox |
| 14:53.15 | unique311 | ok |
| 14:53.47 | melmoth | i never had a pb such as a segfualt on the device that did not occurs in scratchbox |
| 14:54.04 | unique311 | how do i kill the hildon desktop..and if i do, will i get a terminal.. |
| 14:54.37 | unique311 | thats my problem..it works in scratchbox the ARM environment also.... |
| 14:54.57 | unique311 | but yet..it segfaults on the device.. |
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| 14:55.23 | unique311 | if it did, and gave me an error....i would be happy.. |
| 14:57.32 | melmoth | maybe using gdb on the device itself would help ? http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/maemo_debugging_guide.html |
| 15:02.13 | unique311 | too much |
| 15:02.35 | unique311 | i figure its a memory issue.. |
| 15:02.53 | unique311 | been working on this thing for 3 days.. |
| 15:03.12 | unique311 | got it working...just to be dissapointed when running it on the device.. |
| 15:03.22 | unique311 | i'm over it.. |
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| 15:53.05 | negen | Anyone here familiar with Blue Serial? |
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| 16:08.02 | melmoth | is there a way to 'sniff' what is happening on the osso dbus bus ? |
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| 16:20.35 | molkko | melmoth, is dbus-monitor available. at least in ubuntu it seems to work ok |
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| 16:22.53 | melmoth | molkko: and you can check what is going on in the scratchbox bus ? |
| 16:23.27 | molkko | melmoth, dunno about scratchbox but now i did try dbus-monitor in my n800 and it really seems to work |
| 16:24.32 | melmoth | oh, it s available in the sdk. |
| 16:24.33 | melmoth | [sbox-SDK_X86: ~/dev/rapier/trunk] > run-standalone.sh dbus-monitor |
| 16:24.33 | melmoth | Failed to open connection to session message bus: Unable to determine the address of the message bus |
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| 16:31.19 | molkko | try --system parameter |
| 16:32.05 | melmoth | it works for the system bus, like it starts |
| 16:32.09 | lmoura | melmoth, did you start the session with af-sb-init.sh? |
| 16:32.14 | melmoth | but what i m intersested in is probably on the user bus |
| 16:32.35 | melmoth | yes, i have a whole session runing in xephyr |
| 16:32.56 | melmoth | the idea is to unedrestand why an app taht is started correctly with the menu, just dies somes seconds later |
| 16:33.00 | melmoth | no core, nothing |
| 16:33.30 | melmoth | i expect something related to osso and dbus and stuff, but am clueless on how to investigate this way |
| 16:33.54 | melmoth | when i start the application with the hildon menu , i see nothing in dbus-monitor with --system, so it s probably not on the system bus i have to look |
| 16:37.06 | melmoth | mhhh, works better on the tablet actually |
| 16:37.26 | trevarthan | tigert: where do I get one of these? http://tigert.1g.fi/kuvat/maemo/maemo-hpcalc.jpg |
| 16:37.59 | molkko | where do i get apache+php to n800? |
| 16:38.33 | trevarthan | That reminds me that I've been thinking a lot lately that a screen rotate function would be handy on my n800. Sometimes you just need more height than width, you know? |
| 16:38.43 | molkko | or does not have to be apache but any webserver that works without excess hassle with php |
| 16:39.04 | trevarthan | molkki: I remember seeing phpcgi in the app manager. |
| 16:39.11 | trevarthan | sorry, molkko |
| 16:39.32 | trevarthan | And I think there is an httpd server in there too. not apache though. |
| 16:40.03 | trevarthan | you gonna use your n800 as a mobile demonstration server? |
| 16:40.36 | oil_ | I'm also interested about dbus. how could I do, that the device would run a script, when connected to a certain wlan SSID ? |
| 16:41.52 | tigert | trevarthan: it was just a mockup |
| 16:41.54 | tigert | trevarthan: but |
| 16:42.00 | tigert | there is a hp calculator ported to the device |
| 16:42.11 | tigert | the mockup was just to encourage people think in portrait mode as well |
| 16:42.12 | trevarthan | oil_: If you figure that out, let me know too. I'd love be able to run scripts when the wlan if goes up. |
| 16:42.27 | tigert | since the one existing had the keypad split in two pieces side by side |
| 16:42.48 | oil_ | trevarthan: I will. at least there is nothin on dbus-monitor when doing the connection |
| 16:42.49 | trevarthan | tigert: I think you've got something there. |
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| 16:44.33 | trevarthan | tigert: you don't have a link to the existing hp calc do ya? Been searching google and maemo.org and I don't see it. |
| 16:45.17 | oil_ | dbus-monitor --system seems to get the information |
| 16:46.09 | oil_ | but how to run a script for that |
| 16:47.05 | tigert | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/free42/ |
| 16:47.06 | tigert | but this is horizontal in the first place |
| 16:47.06 | tigert | but one should really design these as fullscreen apps :) |
| 16:48.10 | trevarthan | why the heck doesn't that show up when searching for 'calc' or 'calculator'. |
| 16:48.59 | tigert | that is something you can file a bug for |
| 16:49.39 | trevarthan | How does maemo.org work? Is there like a maintainer for each package? Or is it an organization that manages it? |
| 16:50.03 | tigert | well |
| 16:50.22 | tigert | maemo.org is the opensource effort of nokia, if that defines it good enough |
| 16:50.36 | tigert | and garage.maemo.org is basically g-forge installation |
| 16:50.42 | tigert | where anyone can get an account to host a project |
| 16:50.49 | tigert | and those can be added to the catalog |
| 16:51.43 | tigert | so while its a job for some people, its also a community thing - like X-Fade_ has been helping a lot with the web layout etc |
| 16:55.24 | trevarthan | gotcha. |
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| 16:58.42 | trevarthan | that 42 doesn't behave like a normal calculator. I'd have to learn to use it. |
| 16:58.42 | trevarthan | Are there any TI calc emulators for maemo? |
| 17:02.29 | melmoth | Now, thats funny..my app does not crash on its own anymore if i s/org.maemo.rapier/com.maemo.rapier/ everywhere, and change the service file name accordingly |
| 17:02.44 | melmoth | is this..a bug ? |
| 17:03.11 | melmoth | i meant changing org.maemo.rapier to com.nokia.rapier |
| 17:05.48 | trevarthan | melmoth: I'm probably alone, but I don't have a clue what you're talking about. |
| 17:09.03 | melmoth | trevarthan: this is about how to start apps from the hildon menu |
| 17:09.04 | melmoth | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial_bora.html#integration |
| 17:09.18 | melmoth | and s its really really really ...hmmm. strange i should say :) |
| 17:11.01 | tigert | trevarthan: its reverse polish notation, the hp calculators had that |
| 17:11.04 | tigert | some people love it |
| 17:11.26 | trevarthan | melmoth: so, you're changing X-Osso-Service and it doesn't crash? |
| 17:12.32 | trevarthan | tigert: yeah, my boss has one of those I think. He showed it to me. I prefer a good TI-82/83, I think. |
| 17:13.08 | melmoth | trevarthan: that s it trevarthan ....it does not crash anymore if i call the service nokia.something, and not maemo.something |
| 17:14.43 | trevarthan | tigert: maybe this? http://lpg.ticalc.org/prj_tilem/shots.html |
| 17:19.42 | trevarthan | doesn't compile without some effort, it seems. I might take a look at this after I port autossh to maemo. |
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| 19:09.36 | eichi | hello, is maemo multi user ? can I use for example the n800 with 2 users, different logins like I do on my linux desktop? |
| 19:11.08 | trevarthan | eichi: no, I don |
| 19:11.09 | keesj | I guess so |
| 19:11.12 | trevarthan | 't think so |
| 19:11.18 | `0660 | yes, it is |
| 19:11.33 | trevarthan | hmmm... news to me. How does that work? |
| 19:11.35 | keesj | but I really don't know how dbus and other services are supposed to work in multi-user modes |
| 19:12.08 | `0660 | i'm not sure about the desktop either |
| 19:12.39 | keesj | eichi: you don't want to run sessions in parallel but have a xdm like login right? |
| 19:12.51 | eichi | keesj: yes ;) |
| 19:13.08 | keesj | I was more thinking on kernel/ssh/login level |
| 19:13.18 | eichi | or remote login on my desktop? not really ;D ? |
| 19:14.35 | trevarthan | eichi: Well, you could always VNC into another machine, but I think you lose the on-screen keyboard then. |
| 19:14.36 | keesj | interesing, I guess it will requires some hacking with patchs but I would be an interesting exercies, |
| 19:14.38 | trevarthan | eichi: I've never seen a user login interface like xdm on my n800. |
| 19:16.20 | trevarthan | We need to modify rdesktop to have a hovering button to pop up the onscreen kb or something. |
| 19:18.03 | keesj | eichi: I don't think it has been done before. |
| 19:19.04 | keesj | What has been done becore is installing a debian arm and connect to it using vnc, |
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| 19:33.21 | keesj | eichi there are already plenty of accountsirc:*:39:39:ircd:/var/run/ircd:/bin/sh |
| 19:33.23 | keesj | ? |
| 19:34.57 | keesj | sorry I have a very laggy connection atm |
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| 19:39.25 | eichi | re |
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| 19:41.51 | eichi | charging the battery from a n800 with solarcells? possible? |
| 19:44.38 | eichi | making it more mobile ;) |
| 19:44.48 | keesj | eichi: what kind of fun project are your investigating? |
| 19:45.27 | eichi | I ask only for interesst |
| 19:46.29 | keesj | today I have bought a new photo camera , it's a Olympus Mju 770 SW, it can go under water |
| 19:46.48 | keesj | I guess the n800 sould also be water proof that would be so cool |
| 19:47.40 | keesj | perhaps the olpc is more the way to go :P |
| 19:47.48 | eichi | very usefull, browsing in the internet under water |
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| 19:51.54 | keesj | I quick grep over /etc/init.d shows at least a few su - user command |
| 19:54.07 | eichi | the n800 uses 17mW in idle |
| 19:54.33 | eichi | 2,3 W with video call |
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| 19:58.49 | eichi | someone has an n800 and can say me the volt of loading? |
| 19:58.56 | eichi | 12? |
| 19:59.39 | keesj | the adapter is saying 5V |
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| 20:01.07 | keesj | eichi and in suspend? |
| 20:02.34 | eichi | keesj: and amphere? |
| 20:04.23 | keesj | 890 mA |
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| 20:12.42 | trevarthan | arg... my autossh package doesn't work. |
| 20:13.25 | trevarthan | works from dev environment, but not from device. |
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| 20:20.43 | trevarthan | ah. configure must have hardcoded the ssh binary path using /scratchbox somehow. |
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| 20:52.37 | trevarthan | AutoSSH deb, if anyone wants it: http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages |
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| 21:02.18 | nkverma | Hi all |
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| 21:21.00 | eichi | hi nkverma |
| 21:22.10 | eichi | the n800 usb is only client usb? no chance to make it host? |
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| 21:26.38 | trevarthan | eichi: there's a chance. My understanding is that the linux kernel only supports client mode for that chipset. Develop host mode in the kernel and it's just a matter of incorporating that kernel into the firmware. |
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