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| 21:28.06 | *** topic/#maemo-hostmode-discussion is h-e-n DEVELOPERS chan. NO SUPPORT! http://h-e-n.garage.maemo.org | Status quo: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=869527#post869527 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921203#post921203 | ToDo: jrbme w/ vboost & hostmode switching; GUI V2 | fundamentals: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=685367#post685367 and http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=685914#post685914 |
| 21:28.29 | DocScrutinizer | maybe by boring sunday |
| 21:28.32 | DocScrutinizer | ~meh |
| 21:28.33 | infobot | meh int. /meh/ [The Simpsons] An interjection expressing apathy, or mgeary's favorite phrase |
| 21:30.13 | DocScrutinizer | or by aegis discussion even on #openmoko-cdevel, and some community members still considering Trusted Computing a basically good thing, for users |
| 21:32.32 | DocScrutinizer | it's just frustrating to see the same (false) ssumptions regarding what TC can do for users, again and again |
| 21:34.14 | DocScrutinizer | particularly TC can _not_ help when somebody is messing with your device while you're not there. |
| 21:34.47 | DocScrutinizer | esp not if that somebody has the power to request access to root cert from device manufacturer |
| 21:35.51 | SpeedEvil | Sure TC can help with that. |
| 21:36.07 | SpeedEvil | Well - as long as the somebody isn't govenrmental. |
| 21:36.47 | DocScrutinizer | <emphasis>*SIGH*</emphasis> |
| 21:36.48 | SpeedEvil | Then again, even with 'open' phones - the cellmo is closed and may have mandated nasties in. |
| 21:40.25 | DocScrutinizer | all that TC can do for user's safety is give the user reason to hope for arbitrary attackers are restricted in their rights as much as user is. Which is a naive hope |
| 21:41.05 | SpeedEvil | To be fair - the subset of attackers that you may worry about that do not have the authority to request root certs is non-zero. |
| 21:42.35 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: and how large you'd estimate the number of attackers that have knowledge of zero-day exploits rendering all your "nice" security framework moot? |
| 21:44.11 | DocScrutinizer | and what about the number of those not needing any authority to ship around any QA in OVI store? |
| 21:45.47 | trx | QA in those stores renders TC useless |
| 21:46.08 | trx | as a subject even.. |
| 21:47.59 | DocScrutinizer | you really think QA would notice a malware hidden in a new version of an alternative browser? |
| 21:48.31 | SpeedEvil | And yes - in the face of non-riguourous screening of stuff going into the platform, it's largely a moot point. |
| 21:48.33 | trx | i really do not, i was being sarcastic |
| 21:48.58 | trx | i wouldn't. |
| 21:49.01 | trx | it* |
| 21:51.58 | trx | wow |
| 21:52.29 | trx | 3 mins passed until i noticed that i wrote in wrong window :) |
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