00:53.35 | *** join/#lugot bsdadmin-tim (n=bsdadmin@99-206-137-251.area7.spcsdns.net) |
00:54.55 | bsdadmin-tim | Hey Linuturk, you around? |
01:19.22 | Linuturk | yep |
01:19.23 | Linuturk | sup? |
01:19.25 | Linuturk | bsdadmin-tim: ? |
01:22.13 | bsdadmin-tim | yep |
01:22.28 | bsdadmin-tim | sorry to drop off early. Had a client *crisis that had to be dealt with. |
01:22.35 | Linuturk | no worries |
01:22.42 | Linuturk | I understand that kind of stuff |
01:22.45 | bsdadmin-tim | You know how it goes. |
01:22.50 | Linuturk | yep |
01:23.02 | bsdadmin-tim | What versions of linux do you run at home? |
01:23.07 | Linuturk | Ubuntu 8.04 |
01:23.19 | bsdadmin-tim | The lts |
01:23.27 | Linuturk | yep |
01:23.29 | bsdadmin-tim | Any good? |
01:24.36 | Linuturk | i enjoy it |
01:24.51 | bsdadmin-tim | Does it have support for cdma cards? |
01:25.35 | Linuturk | not built in . . . at least, not that I know of. wiki.ubuntu.com might have something |
01:25.42 | Linuturk | I don't have one |
01:25.47 | bsdadmin-tim | ahh |
01:26.15 | bsdadmin-tim | Thats kinda of why I switched to fedora. The rpm hell problems are gone and networkmanager 7 is just sweet. |
01:26.23 | Linuturk | heh |
01:26.42 | Linuturk | cool |
01:26.51 | Linuturk | who do you use ? Verizon? |
01:26.53 | bsdadmin-tim | my cdma card just works out of the box, and the do a lot of stuff ubuntu just doesn't do. |
01:26.55 | bsdadmin-tim | sprint |
01:27.02 | bsdadmin-tim | company paid for so I have no idea the cost |
01:27.22 | bsdadmin-tim | I used to love ubuntu though, it all went downhill after dapper. Maybe it's just my hardware. |
01:27.57 | Linuturk | don't know |
01:28.18 | Linuturk | I can't afford that stuff, so it doesn't concern me |
01:28.23 | bsdadmin-tim | Are you trying to bring *nix to you're workplace or is it simple not worth it? |
01:29.00 | Linuturk | well, it has it's place in the server room |
01:29.02 | bsdadmin-tim | just courious, cause the company I work for is basically just windows field techs and not amount of trying to convert them will work. |
01:29.25 | Linuturk | but, we run some proprietary stuff that won't run in wine |
01:29.29 | Linuturk | .NET based |
01:29.38 | bsdadmin-tim | ick |
01:29.46 | bsdadmin-tim | .NET = horrid code |
01:30.05 | bsdadmin-tim | I wont even run mono. That stuff is just weird to me. |
01:30.42 | Linuturk | heh |
01:30.49 | Linuturk | I'm trying to learn python |
01:30.59 | bsdadmin-tim | python is pretty simple. |
01:31.09 | bsdadmin-tim | Personally one of the ruby fanboys |
01:32.23 | Linuturk | heh |
01:32.57 | Linuturk | I do php/mysql stuff do |
01:34.31 | bsdadmin-tim | I freaking hate php |
01:34.53 | bsdadmin-tim | not because of the language which I think is fine. But because they seem to break compatablity with there code every point release. |
01:36.23 | Linuturk | i haven't noticed |
01:37.05 | bsdadmin-tim | most don't. Sysadmins have to work around it at the server lvl. The last big hit was 5.1>5.2. They fixed a annoyning bug that broke compatablity. Made my life hell for a while. |
01:38.52 | bsdadmin-tim | In any case what kind of presentation are you looking for at the meeting. If I remember properly you have been doing them all. |
01:39.08 | Linuturk | basically, a linux 101 class |
01:39.14 | Linuturk | and, not all of them, but most |
01:39.46 | bsdadmin-tim | Are you teaching cross-distro or just ubuntu? |
01:40.01 | Linuturk | well, cross distro to an extent |
01:40.10 | Linuturk | most of my knowledge is Ubuntu |
01:40.37 | bsdadmin-tim | ok, it's you gig man. I don't want to bring in something that would mess up you're presentations. Most of what I know is server based though. |
01:40.45 | bsdadmin-tim | I'm not sure that would go well with new people. |
01:41.23 | Linuturk | I've got experience with Arch though |
01:41.28 | Linuturk | that was a learning experience |
01:41.54 | bsdadmin-tim | o ya, I used it for all of day and gave up. If you stuck with it, congrats to you. |
01:42.16 | bsdadmin-tim | I used to use gentoo back before drobbins left. |
01:42.16 | Linuturk | I ran it for a while, but the version control was troubling |
01:42.40 | Linuturk | .pacnew files were annoying b/c I never could figure out an easy way to merge them |
01:42.44 | bsdadmin-tim | I was too used to bsd for arch. |
01:43.09 | Linuturk | I tried gentoo once |
01:43.19 | Linuturk | I gave up when it took 4 hours to compile something |
01:43.50 | bsdadmin-tim | I was stubborn. Did a stage one install my first time and stuck with it for about 6 months. Man did that suck. |
01:44.22 | Linuturk | I basically got sick and tired of having to fiddle so much to get things working |
01:44.31 | Linuturk | and then, them breaking 2 weeks later |
01:44.36 | Linuturk | so, back to Ubuntu |
01:44.42 | bsdadmin-tim | pretty much, thats why I use fedora, and I suspect why you're using ubuntu |
01:45.35 | bsdadmin-tim | fbsd is actually really good on the desktop so long as you don't need things like 'bluetooth audio' 'cdma connections' etc etc. So long as you stay away from the fringe bsd is awsome. |
01:46.01 | Linuturk | well, I use a fujitsu tablet, so I have some exotic needs |
01:46.08 | bsdadmin-tim | no doubt. |
01:46.13 | bsdadmin-tim | that would be exotic |
01:46.17 | bsdadmin-tim | how does that work for you? |
01:46.39 | Linuturk | works really well, actually |
01:46.45 | Linuturk | ACPI works good |
01:46.54 | Linuturk | after a few settings, tablet pen works great |
01:47.07 | Linuturk | even auto rotation and tablet buttons |
01:47.17 | bsdadmin-tim | nice |
01:47.20 | Linuturk | yep |
01:47.26 | bsdadmin-tim | I did not think those things worked at all. |
01:47.30 | bsdadmin-tim | Thats news to me |
01:47.41 | bsdadmin-tim | I'd like to see a demo of that someday. |
01:47.47 | Linuturk | the only issue isn't with the software, but with the hardware, and it runs hot |
01:48.00 | Linuturk | well, come to the meeting, I'll be doing a presentation on it |
01:48.10 | Linuturk | doing the* presentation |
01:48.42 | bsdadmin-tim | 6:30 on tuesday right? |
01:48.46 | Linuturk | yep |
01:49.02 | bsdadmin-tim | hang on, let me go find my phone and check my schdule. |
01:49.27 | Linuturk | ok |
01:54.02 | bsdadmin-tim | back |
01:54.12 | bsdadmin-tim | I'm clear tuesday night so far. |
01:55.03 | bsdadmin-tim | any other good irc channels you know of. I've been out of irc for a while now. Been too busy to chat |
01:55.45 | Linuturk | well, I idle in here, #fluxbuntu, and #ubuntu-us-fl |
01:57.41 | bsdadmin-tim | flux is awsome if you have the time to configure it |
01:57.56 | Linuturk | well, fluxbuntu does a lot of the work for you |
01:58.30 | bsdadmin-tim | true |
01:58.53 | bsdadmin-tim | I'd run it, but I cant find a good reason to now. Gnome works just fine and none of my servers run gui's at all. |
01:59.11 | bsdadmin-tim | Speaking of which, I'll never understand why people run gui's on servers. Any opnions? |
01:59.25 | Linuturk | well, I can tell you why I do |
01:59.44 | bsdadmin-tim | go ahead |
01:59.46 | Linuturk | there are two reasons I run a gui on the one server at my office |
01:59.59 | Linuturk | a) I run vmware on it |
02:00.35 | Linuturk | so, I use the gui to view the windows servers on it |
02:00.56 | Linuturk | b) I work with windows admins, and they like gui's to use |
02:01.11 | bsdadmin-tim | I guess that makes sense. I guess i"m lucky in that all my servers are fbsd and they virtualize them self's just fine. |
02:01.15 | Linuturk | and, they have to be able to back me up when I'm on vacation |
02:01.31 | bsdadmin-tim | plus I'm the only admin right now so what I say goes. |
02:01.50 | bsdadmin-tim | I have a windows admin friend of mine that would like to come to the meeting if thats ok |
02:02.00 | Linuturk | sure, everyone is welcome :) |
02:02.25 | bsdadmin-tim | Why do you host it at you're office? |
02:02.56 | Linuturk | well, we were having it in a community center, but it was small and hard to meet at will |
02:03.21 | Linuturk | plus, we have a classroom at my office, with projectors and tables and chairs and plenty of room |
02:04.04 | bsdadmin-tim | that makes sense |
02:04.28 | bsdadmin-tim | Perhaps I'll invite you all over to my house someday. Plenty of room, though no projector yet. |
02:04.29 | bsdadmin-tim | :) |
02:05.17 | Linuturk | heh |
02:06.12 | Linuturk | sounds fun |
02:06.32 | bsdadmin-tim | at my house, it is. There is always beer available. |
02:06.49 | Linuturk | heh, I don't really drink, but yeah |
02:06.55 | bsdadmin-tim | that and it's a 3 bedroom/2 living room house and I'm the only one that lives here. |
02:07.20 | bsdadmin-tim | so I got rooms I never go into. Might as well put them to use |
02:07.41 | Linuturk | why do you have big house? |
02:08.56 | Linuturk | such a* |
02:09.09 | bsdadmin-tim | Funny joke that. I used to live in a studio (read one room with kitchen, bathroom, etc ) all in one. So when I moved I got a decent house. It's not huge or a rich guys house at all, but its a lot more then I need. |
02:10.06 | Linuturk | cool |
02:10.46 | bsdadmin-tim | Nice place to hang out though there is not wild partys or anything. Most of my neighbors are very watchful and I like it that way. |
02:11.21 | bsdadmin-tim | you live in killaren? |
02:11.33 | Linuturk | heh, I wish |
02:11.41 | bsdadmin-tim | ya me too |
02:11.43 | Linuturk | I live on the NW side of town, off of Mission |
02:11.46 | bsdadmin-tim | thats a rich neighborhood |
02:12.12 | bsdadmin-tim | I used to live by there. I was actually living in bainbridge clube over on fred george at one time. |
02:12.46 | Linuturk | mission might used to have been rich, but it isn't rich now LOL. renters galore |
02:12.58 | Linuturk | I'm south of the interstate |
02:13.03 | bsdadmin-tim | ahh |
02:13.09 | bsdadmin-tim | ya, thats not a rich area at all |
02:13.15 | bsdadmin-tim | neither is were I am |
02:13.18 | bsdadmin-tim | over by indian head |
02:14.36 | Linuturk | heh |
02:15.58 | bsdadmin-tim | heh what? |
02:16.29 | Linuturk | just "heh" |
02:16.30 | Linuturk | lol |
02:16.37 | bsdadmin-tim | lol |