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| 14:37.51 | tccastaldo | wonders where everyone is |
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| 14:59.32 | smootar | moin dennisk |
| 14:59.57 | tccastaldo | Good morning, smootar. |
| 15:00.07 | smootar | moin tccastaldo and all. |
| 15:00.16 | smootar | ~meetstart LDSTech |
| 15:00.17 | infobot | ********** Start of the LDSTech Meeting on 2012.04.05 15:00:17 ********** |
| 15:00.24 | smootar | Who is all here? |
| 15:00.29 | tdeforest | here |
| 15:00.30 | tccastaldo | I am. |
| 15:00.32 | scgallafent-Evo | is on I-15 and will be at the ROB ~9:30 |
| 15:00.37 | dennisk | I'm here |
| 15:00.39 | zakzakattack | Morning! |
| 15:01.01 | smootar | Great, is scgallafent-Evo driving? |
| 15:01.05 | tccastaldo | smootar seems to be speaking from the dust... |
| 15:01.07 | smootar | And IRC'ing? |
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| 15:01.48 | smootar | tccastaldo, do you want to start? (note: I'm at home because I need to take my son to the dr. today). |
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| 15:02.01 | tccastaldo | Add shaving and eating and scgallafent-Evo is doing the commuter's quadrathlon. |
| 15:02.13 | scgallafent-Evo | Driving no time to chat |
| 15:02.33 | tccastaldo | I should know better than to say I'm "almost done" with something. |
| 15:02.57 | tccastaldo | looks around and doesn't see TimRiker...the coast is clear! |
| 15:03.20 | tccastaldo | TimRiker changed one of the database keys on me without me noticing, |
| 15:03.42 | smootar | :( |
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| 15:04.04 | tccastaldo | and I ended up using the last hour of my shift trying to figure out why perfectly good code was all of a sudden throwing an exception. |
| 15:04.26 | smootar | :( :( |
| 15:04.28 | tccastaldo | Anyway, I figured it out and fixed that this morning. |
| 15:05.27 | tccastaldo | I'll work on the feedback viewer today and anything else that really needs to be done with Scheduler, and then hopefully put that project behind me for now. |
| 15:05.45 | tccastaldo | In other news, I turned in my internship journal and my report last night. |
| 15:05.57 | smootar | :) and :( |
| 15:06.01 | tccastaldo | Only one week left before I leave for school. :( |
| 15:06.09 | tccastaldo | And :). |
| 15:06.24 | tccastaldo | Anyway, that's my update. |
| 15:06.34 | smootar | Thx tccastaldo |
| 15:06.40 | smootar | tdeforest, ? |
| 15:06.45 | tccastaldo | sees TimRiker come in and wonders if he'll read the back-log |
| 15:06.54 | tdeforest | Infographic - making headway. Might have draft today. |
| 15:06.54 | tdeforest | Swarm - found on cdev that bug report is submitting on bug report page instead of test case list submit. Smootar would like to have test case status reported on selection via ajax instead of the submit button. This request will go in a later release. For now, test cases should not be submitted until the submit button is clicked on the test case list page. |
| 15:07.28 | tdeforest | Worked with fullmercb and timriker on planning for silicon valley chapter work |
| 15:08.10 | tdeforest | fullmercb trimmed down the scope of the next sprint a little so our work will only affect a single page. |
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| 15:08.17 | tdeforest | i.e. - the project list page |
| 15:08.18 | smootar | Sounds good |
| 15:08.42 | tdeforest | i got my laptop yesterday :) |
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| 15:08.51 | tdeforest | but no monitor :( |
| 15:08.58 | TimRiker | moins |
| 15:09.04 | tdeforest | s/monitor/external monitor/ |
| 15:09.17 | smootar | waves at TimRiker |
| 15:09.17 | tdeforest | that is all |
| 15:09.21 | TimRiker | steals LDSTech's irc session. |
| 15:09.22 | smootar | thx tdeforest |
| 15:09.23 | tccastaldo | tdeforest, in a week you might be able to steal at least one of mine. Maybe. |
| 15:09.32 | tdeforest | hehe |
| 15:09.50 | smootar | fullmercb, ? |
| 15:09.51 | tccastaldo | I know another intern is coming in, but I have an extra monitor, anyway. |
| 15:09.59 | fullmercb | I looked into 3rd party conference management solutions yesterday – there’s a solution that is free for free events that we could make work but would be very clunky in terms of sessions & tracks … there’s also an 800 lb gorilla (cvent.com) that seems like it can do all we need & would cost around $5k per year for the Tech conf ... I want to shop it a bit OR try to get us a discount, but its still way cheaper than enhancing |
| 15:10.02 | TimRiker | what database key did I change? |
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| 15:10.18 | fullmercb | I worked with Tom & Tim yesterday & finished the wireframe for the new Projects page for the S. Valley chptr … Now Tom will make it in photoshop & we should be ready for them by their mtg on the 12th |
| 15:10.33 | fullmercb | Will be working on Jira today to add detail to their tasks and to organize the backlog. Will also reach out to E. Keating to coordinate with our new recruits we got from the conference & make sure we’re helping them get up to speed with initial tasks etc That’s it for me |
| 15:11.09 | tccastaldo | TimRiker, you changed it so "source_id" would be written to the DB instead of "sourceId". |
| 15:11.10 | smootar | Thx fullmercb |
| 15:11.14 | TimRiker | tdeforest, I think undoing the failure save to jira is a step in the wrong direction. I would discourage any action on that. leave it as is. |
| 15:11.16 | smootar | TimRiker, ? |
| 15:11.41 | tccastaldo | So everything worked fine until I added a new feedback entry. :) |
| 15:11.44 | TimRiker | tccastaldo, ah! yep. guilty as charged. |
| 15:11.49 | tdeforest | TimRiker, so only the passes will be recorded on clicking submit? |
| 15:11.56 | tccastaldo | I changed it back and we're good now. ;) |
| 15:12.42 | TimRiker | tdeforest, state of failures should be recorded on submit, but failure messages should get recorded when they are submitted. |
| 15:13.04 | TimRiker | caching them till the rest is submitted seems like a step in the wrong direction. |
| 15:13.27 | TimRiker | I'm still trying to get svnrm working in cdev again. no real progress there yet. |
| 15:14.08 | tdeforest | TimRiker, ok. sounds good. |
| 15:14.15 | TimRiker | spent some time on icp yesterday. looking into fortify scans as run by anthill. don't know what would be needed to get a php project to do a fortify scan on commit |
| 15:14.38 | TimRiker | sounds like the scans don't ever expire so they fill up the machine quickly if run automatically. |
| 15:14.53 | TimRiker | in other words, we have outdated security information by design. |
| 15:15.13 | smootar | :( |
| 15:15.21 | TimRiker | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:15.33 | tdeforest | :( |
| 15:15.37 | smootar | Let's chat with the fortify guys, or have you already? |
| 15:15.47 | TimRiker | more hacking on coda to try to get unit generation working on the new trunk. |
| 15:15.48 | smootar | you I mean. |
| 15:15.59 | TimRiker | smootar, nope, not chatted yet. |
| 15:16.12 | smootar | ok, we ought to address that with them. |
| 15:16.21 | smootar | chad or david |
| 15:16.30 | TimRiker | icp went from thousands of issues down to tens of issues now that the developers have be emailed the reports. |
| 15:16.46 | smootar | :) |
| 15:16.50 | TimRiker | they should see the value of making them available |
| 15:17.00 | smootar | nods |
| 15:17.33 | TimRiker | that's it for me I guess. glad I got my chair back yesterday. shot a 9mm and a 45 last night. |
| 15:17.59 | TimRiker | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:18.07 | TimRiker | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:18.15 | smootar | wow |
| 15:18.24 | KFitz | I'm sorry TimRiker |
| 15:18.26 | tdeforest | i prefer revolvers |
| 15:18.27 | smootar | Was that his birthday wish is to shoot? |
| 15:18.28 | TimRiker | hehe |
| 15:18.53 | tccastaldo | Nice. |
| 15:18.58 | smootar | dennisk, ? |
| 15:18.59 | TimRiker | just turned out that way. grandpa and uncle were both there and both have pistols |
| 15:19.01 | dennisk | Spent the last two days either getting ready to travel or traveling. Seems we can't travel light. |
| 15:19.12 | dennisk | At fullmercb suggestion I will set up a google spreadsheet with those team members that are not observers |
| 15:19.13 | smootar | :) |
| 15:19.23 | dennisk | listing their availability, skills/talents and interests |
| 15:19.33 | dennisk | It will take a little while to figure out how to add a google spreadsheet but that's a minor issue. |
| 15:19.42 | dennisk | I still haven't heard back from the observers as to their interests, availability and time, but haven't read my emails for a couple of days |
| 15:19.53 | smootar | wonders if we should consider funcationilty for project managers be added into LDSTech? |
| 15:20.23 | dennisk | sounds good to me |
| 15:20.27 | smootar | Thanks dennisk, are you back in CA now? |
| 15:20.29 | TimRiker | consider, yes. open jiras on any solid designs |
| 15:20.47 | smootar | :) |
| 15:20.55 | dennisk | yep. slept in my own bed last night |
| 15:21.15 | smootar | With scgallafent-Evo driving, I don't want to ask him any questions. We will get updated when he gets in a chair somewhere. |
| 15:21.19 | dennisk | I won't be available tomorrow as we will be joining the "trek" with our youth |
| 15:21.29 | smootar | dennisk, sounds awesome. |
| 15:21.31 | tdeforest | dennisk, our family motto is, "It's always good to be home." |
| 15:21.37 | smootar | :) |
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| 15:21.44 | dennisk | :-) |
| 15:21.52 | TimRiker | has a text to chat module on his linux xchat. would be nice to find an android irc client with that option. :) |
| 15:21.55 | smootar | zakzakattack, ? |
| 15:22.48 | zakzakattack | working on test cases and other things... kinda lost my train of thought |
| 15:22.58 | smootar | thinks there should be a law against IRC'ing while driving, or typeing on your phone, or reading stuff, etc. |
| 15:23.24 | tdeforest | new york has a new law against texting and driving |
| 15:23.24 | zakzakattack | um i think thats it there is other things just cant think of them right now |
| 15:23.47 | dennisk | On the way back I noticed a lot of signs on the highway say $159 fine for texting and driving |
| 15:23.53 | smootar | zakzakattack, how are test cases coming? |
| 15:24.01 | tccastaldo | In Rexburg, you can't text and drive, and you can't "operate an electronic device while in a crosswalk." |
| 15:24.08 | smootar | Which project are you working on? |
| 15:24.13 | smootar | LDSTech? |
| 15:24.22 | zakzakattack | They are going pretty good |
| 15:24.54 | smootar | zakzakattack, is for the LDSTech project? |
| 15:25.06 | smootar | s/is for/is it for/ |
| 15:25.19 | zakzakattack | yes fit is or kfitz |
| 15:25.31 | zakzakattack | yes it is for kfitsz |
| 15:25.37 | smootar | Great. |
| 15:25.51 | smootar | It will benefit the team as well, thanks. |
| 15:26.00 | smootar | KFitz, ? |
| 15:26.09 | KFitz | ? |
| 15:26.17 | smootar | Do you have anything? |
| 15:26.22 | KFitz | no |
| 15:26.32 | tccastaldo | :( |
| 15:26.32 | smootar | Are you happy with the SWARM progress? |
| 15:26.37 | KFitz | no |
| 15:26.43 | smootar | explain. |
| 15:26.45 | TimRiker | now recommends xchat.servx.ru xchat builds for windows. free and a few more features. |
| 15:26.46 | KFitz | no |
| 15:26.51 | tccastaldo | ~give KFitz something |
| 15:26.51 | infobot | ACTION gives something to KFitz |
| 15:27.00 | KFitz | lol, I really havent looked at since the conference |
| 15:27.04 | smootar | :) |
| 15:27.10 | KFitz | I just want to be negative today |
| 15:27.15 | smootar | hahahahaa |
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| 15:27.26 | KFitz | I am planning on spending some time today or tomorrow on it, logging bugs against it |
| 15:27.37 | smootar | Very cool. |
| 15:27.49 | KFitz | Been busy trying to find Asiel 2.0 |
| 15:28.08 | smootar | I mentioned earlier I will be taking my son to the dr. this morning. |
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| 15:28.17 | smootar | I'm hoping to get back into the office later today. |
| 15:28.30 | smootar | I'm hoping to connect with scgallafent-Evo |
| 15:28.54 | KFitz | I did, however, help my son build his pinewood derby car last night... its ready for final sanding and painting |
| 15:28.56 | smootar | Monday is our offsite. |
| 15:29.02 | tccastaldo | :) |
| 15:29.29 | fullmercb | smootar: did you use all of the derby speed tricks? |
| 15:29.29 | tccastaldo | KFitz, I had fun at my Pinewood Derbies. I won them both. |
| 15:29.31 | smootar | Any other burning issues this morning? |
| 15:30.12 | dennisk | does that mean no irc meeting on Monday? |
| 15:30.25 | smootar | Correct, no IRC on Monday. |
| 15:30.34 | smootar | ~meetend LDSTech |
| 15:30.34 | infobot | ********** End of the LDSTech Meeting on 2012.04.05 15:30:34 ********** |
| 15:30.37 | tccastaldo | I used a "doorstop" design both years. |
| 15:30.37 | TimRiker | girls are doing a pinewood derby in our ward. |
| 15:30.37 | KFitz | I will be enjoying my kids (or at least attempting to) next monday. Ya'll have fun |
| 15:30.45 | dennisk | woo hoo...sleep in |
| 15:30.49 | tccastaldo | :) |
| 15:30.51 | smootar | Good luck on the pinewood derby. |
| 15:31.16 | smootar | fullmercb, when I did the pinewood derby (now done with all my kids) we used as many speed tricks as we could. |
| 15:31.28 | KFitz | its not for a couple of weeks... we just had to jump on it since we are gone all next week |
| 15:31.42 | smootar | We won most of the races. 3 boys, 3 races each, 9 cars. |
| 15:32.23 | tccastaldo | Nice. |
| 15:32.29 | smootar | dennisk, :) |
| 15:33.47 | dennisk | We had a bishop that had all girls so he started a girls pinewood derby in our ward so he could build one |
| 15:33.58 | KFitz | lol |
| 15:33.58 | smootar | That is way funny |
| 15:34.10 | dennisk | That was Ken Fench |
| 15:34.23 | dennisk | Finch not Fench |
| 15:34.27 | smootar | We had an Elder's Quorum race that had no limits. |
| 15:34.39 | smootar | Ken Finch, that is way funny |
| 15:34.43 | KFitz | this is our third (and final) son, and this year I am happy just to survive it. |
| 15:34.53 | fullmercb | put a bottle rocket on it :) |
| 15:35.11 | smootar | KFitz, did you dennisk was a Counselor to Ken Finch when he was Bishop? |
| 15:35.20 | KFitz | I'm sorry |
| 15:35.23 | tccastaldo | LOL If I could do that, smootar, I'd totally use CO2 cartridges. |
| 15:35.23 | smootar | :) |
| 15:35.32 | TimRiker | friend's kid built a co2 powered car. triggered canister when the pole dropped. it literally flew to the finish line. |
| 15:35.44 | tccastaldo | LOL |
| 15:35.52 | smootar | :) |
| 15:35.57 | dennisk | Wed night were fun. at church after mutual late, sometimes after midnight |
| 15:36.00 | smootar | I want to see that trigger for that. |
| 15:36.30 | KFitz | I think all my 8 year cares about, is that he has a cool car to play with after the race |
| 15:36.31 | smootar | TimRiker, do you have a design or picture? |
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| 15:40.32 | scgallafent-Evo | starts reading through the log while walking to the ROB lobby |
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| 15:42.55 | scgallafent-Evo | smootar, someone should come let me in |
| 15:43.05 | tccastaldo | Coming. |
| 15:43.07 | TimRiker | where? |
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| 15:44.13 | smootar | Front door. |
| 15:44.45 | smootar | scgallafent-Evo, I am not in the office this morning. I plan to be there after lunch. |
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| 15:46.33 | scgallafent-Evo | OK. I'll be here. |
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| 15:47.28 | smootar | It looks like we have a meeting with John at 1:30 pm today. |
| 15:48.07 | tccastaldo | We all? I don't see anything yet. |
| 15:48.16 | scgallafent-Evo | My afternoon is pretty open. :) |
| 15:48.43 | smootar | I'm not sure who all is supposed to be there. |
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| 15:56.45 | TimRiker | hmm |
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| 15:57.35 | dennisk | I'm back |
| 15:57.56 | dennisk | are you there smootar? |
| 15:58.07 | smootar | Yes. |
| 15:58.52 | dennisk | did you see that whois? |
| 15:59.06 | smootar | No, you are the only one to see the whois. |
| 15:59.45 | tccastaldo | Good morning, tleish. I just noticed you were there. |
| 15:59.54 | tccastaldo | Are there, I guess. |
| 15:59.56 | dennisk | thanks. not that that one did any good I used carmony |
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| 16:00.07 | tleish | morning, just checking in for a bit |
| 16:00.15 | smootar | moin tleish |
| 16:00.16 | tccastaldo | np |
| 16:00.26 | tccastaldo | Hey there, jdavid26. |
| 16:00.33 | dennisk | thanks smootar |
| 16:00.33 | jdavid26 | good morning |
| 16:02.53 | scgallafent-Evo | Moin tleish and jdavid26. |
| 16:03.11 | tleish | morning |
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| 16:04.04 | tleish | Does anyone know who wrote the jquery functions for the com_talentpool? |
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| 16:04.11 | scgallafent | Which functions? |
| 16:05.04 | tleish | the which replaces all the submit buttons with styled a href buttons and hides the original submit buttons |
| 16:05.19 | scgallafent | I'm not sure. TimRiker might know. |
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| 16:14.34 | LDSTech | probably either josh rees or perhaps even tom welch. I like converting them back to normal submit buttons. simpler is better. |
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| 16:27.00 | TimRiker | can anyone see this? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5575539549429227387 |
| 16:27.47 | tccastaldo | I can see everything except for the video. |
| 16:28.02 | tccastaldo | There's a big white void where the video should be. |
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| 16:28.14 | TimRiker | yep. that's what I see |
| 16:30.15 | jdavid26 | Same here. big white void. |
| 16:30.51 | TimRiker | embedded here: http://on-ruby.blogspot.com/2007/03/not-your-fathers-pinewood-derby-car.html |
| 16:31.45 | TimRiker | this one seems to work. http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=5575539549429227387 |
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| 17:01.02 | tdeforest | have i mentioned how much i love fresh pineapple? it's truly amazing. |
| 17:01.59 | tccastaldo | Did you buy a pineapple recently? |
| 17:02.56 | jdavid26 | Thanks to LDSTech (I think tdeforest) I saw mangos last night and had to buy them. mmm |
| 17:03.07 | tomjohnson | tccastaldo, do we have any stats on the conference that I can compile into a follow-up report about the conference? |
| 17:03.27 | tccastaldo | In the Philippines, the vendors would use a special tool for taking the spines out. I wish I'd bought one while I was there. |
| 17:03.43 | tccastaldo | tomjohnson, what stats are you looking for? I don't really have a lot. |
| 17:03.57 | tdeforest | tomjohnson, i'm putting together an info graphic that will include stats from the conference |
| 17:04.30 | tomjohnson | tdeforest, Yes, that's what I'm looking for. |
| 17:04.42 | tomjohnson | tdeforest, when you have that finished, let me know and I'll post it. |
| 17:05.38 | tdeforest | i should have a draft today or tomorrow. it is for a mtg smootar has next week reporting on the conference with John Edwards and unmentionables |
| 17:09.38 | tomjohnson | tedeforest, thanks. |
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| 18:08.44 | tdeforest | TimRiker, tccastaldo do we have a list of product launches, version releases, or other milestones for this year? |
| 18:09.26 | TimRiker | svnrm is working in cdev again |
| 18:09.29 | scgallafent | tdeforest, smootar had some of that in his weekly summary email he sent. Do you have those? |
| 18:09.45 | TimRiker | tdeforest, I don't keep a list, sry. |
| 18:10.03 | tdeforest | i have the latest one. i'll see if i can find others. thx! |
| 18:10.12 | scgallafent | I can forward them to you if you need them. |
| 18:12.06 | tccastaldo | We hit 1024 registrants for LDSTech Conference on Friday, March 9. That's a milestone, right? |
| 18:16.48 | tomjohnson | scgallafent, Hey Steve, how's the wiki skin upgrade looking? Have you had more time to work out the remaining issues? |
| 18:19.15 | scgallafent | tomjohnson, I haven't had a chance to look at it since a couple of days before the conference. |
| 18:19.42 | scgallafent | I'm working on some LDSTech items right now, but I might get some time later this afternoon, depending on how much time I spend with smootar. |
| 18:19.47 | tomjohnson | scgallafent, I have bandwidth right now to work on it. Why don't you just send me the skin you've worked on, and I'll see if I can make more progress on it? |
| 18:21.14 | scgallafent | I'll switch over and get my files in a couple of minutes to see what I've modified. |
| 18:21.57 | tdeforest | scgallafent, tomjohnson maybe this is something jdavid26 can help with, the wiki skin i mean |
| 18:22.31 | scgallafent | tdeforest: Great idea. |
| 18:22.43 | scgallafent | jdavid26, are you around? |
| 18:24.33 | jdavid26 | just got back |
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| 22:11.32 | tdeforest | smootar, the batchgeo map shows registrants. is that what you want to show on the report? or do you just want to show attendees' locations? |
| 22:12.30 | smootar | Can you easily get City, Province and Country for attendees? If you can, that would be preferred. |
| 22:13.02 | smootar | The other is just an indicator of those interested. |
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