IRC log for #ldstech on 20120322

00:03.21TimRikerall web servers and services should run in utf-8 in my humber opinion.
00:03.29TimRikerditto irc. :)
00:03.39TimRiker~x en gr this is broken though
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14:54.09tdeforestahoy!
14:54.40coderjeffgood morning
14:55.00denniskg;day
14:55.17tccastaldoyo
14:56.22josephscottwaves
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15:02.16tdeforestwaves
15:02.52tdeforesttccastaldo, will you launch the mtg
15:03.02tccastaldoAye.
15:03.09tccastaldo~meetstart LDSTech
15:03.09infobot********** Start of the LDSTech Meeting on 2012.03.22 15:03:09 **********
15:03.30tdeforestwelcome one and all
15:03.42tccastaldowonders who the one is
15:03.49tdeforestscgallafent, would you like to get us started?
15:03.55scgallafentYeseterday I went through some of the backlog and reviewed it.
15:03.55scgallafentI made a little bit of progress on updating the wiki skin, but didn't get to spend a lot of time on it.
15:03.55scgallafentToday I'll start adding some detail to the backlog items that we're going to work on at the conference.
15:03.55scgallafentBe prepared for email from JIRA later.
15:03.56scgallafentThat is all.
15:04.30tdeforestdo you think we'll have the wiki upgraded before the conference?
15:04.43scgallafentI think so. I'll work on that more today.
15:04.49tdeforestthank you
15:04.52scgallafentAs far as I know the skin is the only issue.
15:05.03scgallafentWe'll probably need to do some testing early next week.
15:05.12tdeforestk. let me know if i can help
15:05.29scgallafentOK
15:05.36tdeforesttccastaldo, ?
15:05.51tccastaldoI did a little construction on Scheduler.
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15:06.11TimRikeryawns
15:06.32tccastaldoMostly, I helped tdeforest figure out the steps for setting up an LDSTech dev environment.
15:06.47tccastaldoDon't start that, TimRiker!
15:06.47TimRikerscgallafent, when do you think you'll push wiki changes to cdev then?
15:07.43tccastaldoI spent some time trying to set up a dev env on a Linux virtual box just for fun, but I ran into an SVN authentication surprise.
15:07.51TimRikerdid you two update the readme ?
15:08.00tdeforestnot yet
15:08.04TimRikerk
15:08.06tccastaldoI thought that having global read access would prevent me having to authenticate.
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15:08.36tccastaldoTimRiker, I scribbled down some steps while tdeforest tried to get things worked out on his machine.
15:08.40TimRikerbldmgr or similar could be used to authenticate. you do still need a valid ldsaccount.
15:09.02scgallafentSorry. Had to step away for a second.
15:09.20scgallafentWiki changes will be at least tomorrow, probably better to plan on Monday.
15:09.21tccastaldoI might have a (really) rough draft done for the first part today.
15:09.34tccastaldoAh, okay, TimRiker.
15:09.58tdeforestwe got through joomla ok. now we're working on wiki setup
15:10.10TimRikerkewel
15:10.13tccastaldoAnyway, other than helping get courses figured out for people adding/deleting (mostly deleting) at the last minute, that's about all I'm doing.
15:10.35tdeforestthanks tccastaldo
15:10.39tccastaldoyw
15:10.43scgallafenttccastaldo: You added LDSTech, correct?
15:10.48tdeforestfullmercb, do you have a report for us?
15:11.37tccastaldoYou mean in the LDSTech Scheduler, scgallafent?
15:11.40scgallafentYes.
15:11.49scgallafentAs a project.
15:11.53tccastaldoI didn't...but I thought it was already there.
15:11.59tccastaldoAh.  Let me go look to see.
15:12.20tdeforesti believe fullmercb added that project
15:13.10TimRikerbryan has the scheduler project
15:13.26tdeforestzakzakattack, what is your report?
15:13.39TimRikerhttps://tech.lds.org/conf/course?id=4f43fdcdedc624ca1af0b15e
15:13.45tccastaldocan't seem to sign in to Scheduler today anyway
15:13.46zakzakattackIm just working on closing the resolved testcases in verson 2.6.1 in LDStech. TimRiker- does LDSTECH-162-(use Idaps insted of Idap) I dont know how to test that.
15:14.05zakzakattackdoes it work i mean?
15:14.12fullmercbI have another meeting to get to.  I’ve been pulling together user feedback, de-duplicating it and getting it translated into user stories that I’ll soon add to Jira, and working on CSM stuff for Alan.  I’ll call Alan today to get his approval on the “hors d’oeuvres” that we’d like the silicon valley chapter to work on for us (i.e. the piece of functionality they’ll help us build for LDSTech).  
15:15.01tdeforestthanks fullmercb
15:15.21TimRikerzakzakattack, I think that change has been made, yes.
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15:15.48fullmercbI think they should help us build visibility for volunteers into the status/momentum/health & needs of projects .... so that it will be easier for volunteers to know which project they can join and really match their skills with
15:16.12zakzakattackok thanks! some of these things i have no idea what they mean   so i need to make sure they work
15:16.27TimRikerzakzakattack, https://tech.lds.org/administrator/index.php?option=com_plugins&view=plugin&client=site&task=edit&cid[]=2  shows ldaps.
15:16.28tdeforestfullmercb, do you plan on having them storyboard and wireframe to start?
15:16.40fullmercbstill - I'm open to suggestions.  Does anyone think we should have the Sil Valley chptr work on something else first?  Anything that is more painful for our users?
15:17.11TimRikerfullmercb, coda is pretty painful. how's that? ;-)
15:17.14fullmercbYes tdeforest - If Alan agrees, I'll get with you to flesh it out enough that you can begin to wireframe it
15:17.44tdeforestk
15:17.47fullmercbgotta run - but please email me any suggestions for other functionality you think we shoudl consider having them build instead - thx - bye
15:18.18tdeforesttomjohnson, what is your report?
15:18.39tomjohnsonI am researching subpage titling conventions for the wiki.
15:19.01tomjohnsonThere are various ways to do this, but no single compelling best way.
15:19.15tomjohnsonThat's pretty much it.
15:19.36tdeforestk
15:19.49tdeforestdennisk, what is your report?
15:20.21denniskcontacted the 2 new members and invited them to the conference.  Don't know if they'll make it.
15:21.30tdeforestk
15:21.34TimRikertdeforest, schedule shows presentations starting at 9am on friday even though the keynote ends at 9:30
15:21.54tdeforestTimRiker, good catch, i'll fix that
15:22.10TimRikerwork sessions show as 1-4 but most are scheduled for 1-5 and at least one from 1-6
15:22.32denniskI sent a request to find out if the "using JIRA in a community project could be given at 11 on Thurs, too.
15:23.11tdeforestTimRiker, ok.
15:23.17denniskI'd like to atten that but my sched is full otherwise
15:23.31tdeforestdennisk, doesn't hurt to ask :)
15:24.59tdeforesti worked with tccastaldo on reviewing the dev environment setup process. the read me has good information but is poorly organized. tccastaldo will write up the new one
15:25.05denniskwith all the presentations I'm beginning to wish we had a whole week....not that my brain could take it  :-)
15:25.24tdeforest:)
15:25.37tdeforestagrees
15:26.09tdeforestanything else we need to review?
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15:26.37TimRikercoda bugs are running rampant. unit generation fails at present. calling fail, etc.
15:26.43tdeforestJoshBang, welcome
15:26.54TimRikerdigging into them one by one. :(
15:27.00JoshBangthanks
15:27.22tdeforestTimRiker, fixed 4 bugs while i was looking over his shoulder waiting to go to lunch yesterday :)
15:27.30TimRiker:)
15:28.42tdeforestwelcome coderjeff and josephscott.
15:29.09tdeforestJoshBang, do you have a report?
15:29.11josephscottcontinues lurking
15:29.33TimRikeranyone that wants to dive into coda, just holler.
15:29.38JoshBangnothing from me. Today I need to get a hold of the rest of the project leads to get community horus
15:29.47JoshBanghours*
15:29.54tdeforestk
15:29.55JoshBangthats all
15:30.18tccastaldo~dict horus
15:30.39tdeforesthappy trails. tccastaldo cue the curtains
15:30.48tccastaldo~meetend LDSTech
15:30.48infobot********** End of the LDSTech Meeting on 2012.03.22 15:30:48 **********
15:30.51denniskby the way, congratulations on cleaning up so many of the resolved issues on 2.6.1....awesome!!
15:30.56TimRiker~spell horus
15:31.31josephscott$google horus
15:31.32raifbotjosephscott searching http://www.google.com/search?q=horus -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horus -- http://www.horusvision.com/ -- http://www.egyptianmyths.net/horus.htm
15:31.45zakzakattackyour welcome!
15:31.51tccastaldo~wikipedia horus
15:32.29dennisknext time I'm in egypt I'll take a picture
15:32.34tccastaldoI wish infobot would skip the infoboxes and go straight to content.
15:32.47tccastaldoOh, well...plenty of real work to do.
15:33.24denniskadios
15:33.36tccastaldoingat
15:34.52TimRikertccastaldo, patches welcome. :)
15:35.32tccastaldoTimRiker, you know I would love to spend tons of time on infobot.
15:35.48tccastaldoUnfortunately, there's this thing called work...
15:35.52TimRikertries to avoid spending tons of time on infobot
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15:37.51tdeforesttccastaldo, which project is removed?
15:39.55tccastaldoHmmm...I don't see it anymore.  
15:40.04tccastaldostarts to wonder about his eyes...
15:40.12TimRikerdid janet get whatever she wanted setup?
15:42.00TimRikertomjohnson, can you add a link to the IRC wiki page in the handout? http://tech.lds.org/wiki/IRC
15:42.28tomjohnsonIt is linked on the conference page.
15:42.32TimRikertomjohnson, wifi network is 'hills' NOT 'Hills'
15:42.34tomjohnsonbut we can add something to the handout.
15:49.11TimRikerthere is no "username" and "password" field getting on hills. there is a first name and a last name field. they should be firstname: lds and lastname tech. NOT ldstech2012 as listed in the handout.
15:58.08tccastaldotdeforest, did you have to install an SVN client on your machine, or did it come with the OS?
15:58.53tdeforestcomes with the os
15:59.12tdeforestTimRiker, i'll fix the wireless connection info
16:03.00tomjohnsonTimRiker, are we really doing the Idea Showcase idea John Edwards mentioned in the last meeting?
16:11.11TimRikerdon't know. ask smootar, it's his call.
16:11.53TimRikerI proposed not making a big deal about it, but announcing it as an informal thing perhaps friday afternoon in some conference room.
16:17.48tomjohnsonTimRiker, thanks for the info. On another note, do you know if any ldstech community projects use the Java Stack or the Open Web Stack?
16:19.19tccastaldoScheduler uses the Java Stack.
16:22.26tccastaldotdeforest, how do you start up XAMPP in MacOS?
16:23.06tdeforestthere is an app installed in the xampp dir. i launch that app and click the start apache and mysql buttons
16:24.10tccastaldoK.  That's just like Windows.
16:24.28TimRikertomjohnson, coda and ldstech scheduler both use java stack. not sure what open web stack refers to.
16:25.56TimRikerhttps://tech.lds.org/jira/browse/STACK-3389
16:28.08tomjohnsonTimRiker, interesting. Thanks for the note.
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16:30.45TimRikerhttp://openweb.ldschurch.org/adoption.html shows some ics apps, but none that are open as far as I know.
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16:41.40tccastaldotdeforest, what directory do you have XAMPP installed in?
16:43.14TimRikertdeforest, what format do you have ROB maps in? some vector format hopefully?
16:45.34tdeforesttccastaldo, xampp is installed in my /Applications
16:45.48tdeforestTimRiker, rob maps are vector
16:46.52tdeforesttccastaldo, i was able to get mediawiki installed by removing the localsettings.php file i created and then following their setup instructions linked from the default page that appears after installation
16:47.21tccastaldoHuh?  Who's they?
16:47.29tccastaldoDo you have a link?
16:47.30TimRikertdeforest, the evacuation map has the central staircase in the "gathering area" color. are we supposed to gather there in case of a fire? =/
16:48.16tdeforestthat map i don't have in vector format, just the floor maps are vector :/
16:48.46tdeforestwe could gather there in case of fire and roast marshmallows together
16:48.58Jazzee8845home teaching in  ahour anything can I say about  ldstech?
16:49.10TimRikerwhoever it came from should really fix it. the colors used are the border colors from the legend, not the contained colors. makes it even more confusing imho.
16:49.40TimRikerJazzee8845, invite them to come and help. :)
16:50.19tccastaldo:)
16:50.24Jazzee8845ok will do
16:50.47Jazzee8845and join the chaoter
16:50.52Jazzee8845chapter
16:51.03TimRikertdeforest, I'd merge the exit circles onto the first level maps and not include the first level map twice.
16:51.20tccastaldoagrees with TimRiker
16:51.45tdeforestgood idea
16:51.54tccastaldotdeforest, did you catch my earlier comments (starting with "Huh?")?  Those were for you.
16:52.01Jazzee8845you know one thing that i learened
16:52.23tdeforestthey is the creators of mediawiki
16:52.34tccastaldoK
16:52.45Jazzee8845also speak to people throughout all time :O
16:52.55tccastaldos/they is/they are/ ;)
16:53.32tccastaldo:)
16:53.36tdeforestthe definition of 'they' is the creators of mediawiki ;)
16:53.44tccastaldo:D
16:54.53TimRiker~335*250*4
16:54.53infobot335000
16:55.04tdeforestinstalls adobe trial so he can edit maps...
16:55.28TimRikertdeforest, libre office draw might be a good option and it's free.
16:55.31tccastaldoDoesn't the Church have a license for the full thing?
16:56.09tdeforesti don't have time to get a licensed version installed on my loaner machine but yes the church does have a site license
16:56.32tccastaldoAh.  I didn't realize you're using a loaner.
17:11.19Jazzee8845the church is great with lincencing
17:12.41tccastaldoOr licensing. ;)
17:13.01Jazzee8845is is tccastaldo correct people day?
17:13.40tccastaldoNo, I was just referring to the regional difference in spelling.
17:13.49tccastaldolicence vs. license.
17:14.11Jazzee8845oh ok
17:14.14Jazzee8845garden
17:14.15Jazzee8845+
17:14.17Jazzee8845=
17:15.33Jazzee8845yard
17:15.44Jazzee8845trousers =
17:17.18Jazzee8845pants
17:17.27Jazzee8845give me some american words?
17:18.15tccastaldoTrunk (of a car)
17:18.25Jazzee8845boot
17:18.36TimRikerglovebox
17:19.01Jazzee8845glovebook
17:19.17Jazzee8845box*
17:19.28Jazzee8845next
17:21.38Jazzee8845?
17:22.17Jazzee8845ok
17:22.26tccastaldoZ
17:22.34tccastaldo<PROTECTED>
17:23.14tccastaldo"Garage" has emphasis on the last syllable.
17:24.06Jazzee8845garage dont over here try it
17:25.54Jazzee8845good tidings
17:29.26tccastaldoSounds archaic.  I don't know what we use here...greetings?
17:30.14Jazzee8845yea
17:34.22Jazzee8845ok homme teaching n a min so good bye and spreading the best
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17:34.51tccastaldoHave a great lesson, Jazzee8845!
17:35.18Jazzee8845three lessons tonight
17:35.25Jazzee8845and teaching as well
17:35.53tccastaldos/a great lesson/great lessons/
17:36.27Jazzee8845will be back on around 9:00 : 930pm ish
17:36.56tccastaldo~time
17:36.56infobot2012.03.22 17:36:56 GMT
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18:38.15TimRikeris starving. cafeteria anyone?
18:38.21tccastaldoSounds great.
18:38.46tccastaldotdeforest, have you eaten yet?
18:42.25tccastaldois having trouble spelling "metrics" ... looks like someone desperately needs a weekend
18:43.00TimRikernote: there is an ldstech-vm here: https://code.lds.org/downloads/LDSTech-VM/  I don't know what's in it.
18:43.23tccastaldogoes to take a peek
19:23.55TimRikeralright... starving. headed to eat.
19:53.38tdeforestTimRiker, i had a cheesesteak.
19:53.56tccastaldoWhere?
19:54.47TimRikertasty
20:14.47tdeforesttccastaldo, not close to here
20:14.59tccastaldoI see.
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20:31.29tdeforestscgallafent, does this look like a good bug description for the subscription indicator https://tech.lds.org/jira/browse/LDSTECH-646 ?
20:32.33tdeforesttccastaldo, how goes the README?
20:32.51tccastaldoGoing okay.  I'm trying to make things make sense.
20:33.10tccastaldoI'm going to need to look to see how you set up mediawiki.
20:33.57tccastaldoI used my own directions to set up the environment on my Linux virtual box.
20:34.22tccastaldoBTW, for whatever reason I didn't need to authenticate this time.  I must have been doing something wrong before.
20:34.46tdeforestnods
20:35.17tccastaldoAnd instead of checking things out and then moving the folder (to take "trunk" out of the path), I was able to check out /trunk directly into the ldstech folder.
20:35.24tdeforeston a different note, are there biz envelopes around here? i need to send some snail mail.
20:35.25tccastaldoI included instructions on how to do that.
20:35.38tdeforestsweet!
20:35.56tccastaldoProbably in the supply cupboards.  Would you like me to check?
20:36.13tdeforesti looked yesterday
20:36.22tccastaldo:(
20:36.26tdeforestthat's when i found the ibuprofen :)
20:36.32tccastaldo:)
20:36.38tccastaldoBut she did come by today...
20:36.48tccastaldo...and you could always go upstairs.
20:36.57tdeforestupstairs?
20:37.17tccastaldoYes, one of the supply rooms upstairs.
20:37.31tccastaldoHave you never worked in the ROB before?
20:37.40tdeforestdon't know where that is
20:37.44tdeforestnot really
20:37.58tccastaldoAh.  Would you like me to show you?
20:38.09tdeforestthat would be great. i'll come to you
20:51.12tomjohnsonTimRiker, if people have questions about the LDSTech Conference, who should be the contact point? You, Alan, Chad, me?
20:59.43TimRikertomjohnson, depends on the question. start with alan normally, but he's out this week.
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21:52.07tccastaldoSo, tdeforest, does your comment earlier (10:46) mean I have to go out and install MediaWiki?
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21:58.37tomjohnsonTimRiker, I'm going to put a note on the conference site about the "idea showcase" that John mentioned.
21:59.05tomjohnsonTimRiker, If there's a specific name we're using for that session?
21:59.09tccastaldo"Idea showcase" is a nice name. :)
21:59.34tdeforest"show and tell"
21:59.51tccastaldotomjohnson, he's talking with someone at his desk.
22:00.00tomjohnsontccastaldo, thanks.
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22:03.55tccastaldotdeforest, did you see my question?
22:04.25tdeforestno
22:04.33tdeforestnow i do
22:04.59tdeforestwhat did i say at 10:46? :)
22:06.30tccastaldo<tdeforest> tccastaldo, i was able to get mediawiki installed by removing the localsettings.php file i created and then following their setup instructions linked from the default page that appears after installation
22:07.52tdeforesti don't understand your question. you should be able to install mediawiki from the code checked out already. what do you see when you direct your browser to localhost/ldstech/wiki/ ?
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22:09.22tccastaldoAh. "Please <link>set up the wiki</link> first."
22:12.30tomjohnsontccastaldo, just curious, but what are you doing with the local wiki install?
22:13.01tccastaldoFiguring out how to do it so I can document how to do it in the README.
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22:27.46tomjohnsonwell, if you install 1.18, the wiki will break, because the skin still needs to be upgraded.
22:31.20tccastaldoK.  I'm using what's in the repository, so it's still 1.15.
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22:38.36tomjohnsonTimRiker, I added info about the idea showcase to the conference site.
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