IRC log for #ldstech on 20120228

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02:59.23tdeforestscgallafent: i do have access to the cdev panel.
02:59.46scgallafentI realized it is a production group. I'm going to synchronize the membership list so that everyone on the project is in the group.
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03:38.17Guest8337I am just curious about tags and tabs for Android Gospel Library
03:39.15Guest8337Is it on the roadmap?
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13:42.35tdeforestthx scgallafent
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14:39.23tdeforestis this the correct jira instance for dev/testing https://cdev.lds.org/jira/ ?
14:39.50tdeforestthe ProKarma swarm team are looking for a test environment
14:39.58tdeforestdo you know scgallafent ?
14:40.25scgallafentI think so, but let me check.
14:41.40scgallafentYes. https://cdev.lds.org/jira/
14:42.25tdeforestthank you
14:42.30scgallafentYou're welcome.
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15:06.01tccastaldo912 registrants today.  That's more than yesterday, so registration must be working. :D
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15:30.38tdeforesttccastaldo: :)
15:30.57jazzee8845metting started yet?
15:31.48tdeforestjazzee8845: good morning. no meeting this morning
15:31.58jazzee8845oh ok
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15:35.36jazzee8845tdeforest:  it good afternoon my side lol
15:36.22tdeforestscgallafent: ProKarma is requesting QA environment for testing Swarm? do we have something they can access push code to manually for testing? would need test instance of jira and joomla as well.
15:36.43tdeforestjazzee8845: :) i thought about that but wasn't sure how to phrase it so it made sense
15:37.01scgallafentJava code?
15:37.08tdeforestphp
15:37.40scgallafentThere is already a cdev instance of Joomla. Do they need a separate instance?
15:38.01tdeforestcdev is good for them for dev but they want to be able to test while dev continues on cdev
15:38.43scgallafentIf they need another instance besides the one on cdev, I'm inclined to have them set up their own local instance.
15:39.30scgallafentI'm not sure why we need to maintain a separate instance of Joomla and Jira for them to test against besides the existing cdev instances.
15:39.50tccastaldoI agree, scgallafent.
15:40.07scgallafentI assume they're worried about people making changes to data, etc. while they are working, which can make it more difficult to test.
15:40.19tdeforestit makes sense to have a QA zone separate from development.
15:40.31tdeforestright
15:40.54scgallafentWe probably ought to ask TimRiker at 8/9/11:30.
15:41.15tdeforestin the interest of time it may be faster for them to setup their own test environment
15:41.21scgallafentI thought we had an instance between cdev and staging.
15:41.36tdeforesti'm not sure
15:41.38scgallafentIf I were them, I would just set up my own instance. Joomla takes less than 30 minutes.
15:41.53tdeforesti've seen a lot urls, but don't remember all of them
15:41.56scgallafentThere may be plans for an instance between cdev and staging, but nothing has been deployed yet.
15:42.53scgallafentJira takes a little configuration, if I remember correctly from the last time I installed it.
15:43.54tdeforestk
15:44.03scgallafentThey can get a 10-user license for Jira for $10.
15:44.19tdeforestwow. that's cheap
15:44.32jazzee8845forest my learning comes from school
15:44.43jazzee8845and practising myself
15:45.18scgallafentThe 11th user is a killer, though.
15:46.07scgallafenthttp://www.atlassian.com/licensing/jira
15:47.07tdeforestheh
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15:48.17tccastaldoYeah, just multiplies the cost by 120.
15:48.24tccastaldoGood grief.
15:48.58scgallafentOr you could look at it as the 11th user costing you $1190.
15:49.21jazzee8845how much in pounds
15:49.54scgallafent758 GBP
15:50.29jazzee8845gosh
15:50.40scgallafentOr £758.
15:50.43scgallafent:)
15:50.58scgallafentHad to look that one up. I don't use that symbol much.
15:53.38jazzee8845the colleges around where I live does not do codeing :(
15:53.44tccastaldoHmm...infobot's currency converter appears to be broken.
15:53.55tccastaldo~change 1190 USD to GBP
15:54.12scgallafent~change USD 1190 to GBP
15:54.21scgallafentPicky little thing!
15:54.28tccastaldoI know!
15:54.44tdeforest~change USD1190 to GBP
15:54.53tdeforestshrugs
15:55.07jazzee8845infobot
15:55.13zakzakattacktccastaldo do we have devotional at 9?
15:55.19jazzee8845try
15:55.28tccastaldoAs far as I know.  Hasn't been canceled yet.
15:55.32jazzee8845USD 1,190 to GBP
15:55.33zakzakattackok cool
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15:55.40scgallafentYour first try fits the documentation.
15:56.01tdeforest~change 1,190 USD to GBP
15:56.08tccastaldoI know, which is why I'm confused...who would have changed it?
15:56.49jazzee8845i know
15:56.57jazzee8845$1190 to £
15:57.17tdeforest~change USD 1190 to UKP
15:57.21tdeforest:)
15:57.33tdeforest~change USD 1190 to ITL
15:57.33tccastaldoYou don't look right, either, infobot.
15:57.47tdeforestinfobot--
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15:58.22scgallafent~change lead to gold :)
15:58.38tdeforestlol
15:59.01tdeforestscgallafent almost had early retirement wrapped up
15:59.09TimRiker~change 100 usd to cad
15:59.20TimRiker~change usd to cad
15:59.26TimRikerneato
15:59.30jazzee8845tim riker
15:59.36TimRiker~help change
15:59.38jazzee8845how do i get irc on windows vista
16:00.07TimRikerdownload xchat for windows
16:00.08scgallafenthttp://tech.lds.org/wiki/IRC
16:00.28TimRikerlooks like we do have a 9:00 this morning. back in 30 or so.
16:01.24jazzee8845is that a meeting?
16:01.43scgallafentDevotional at the Church office.
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16:02.10TimRikernods
16:02.32TimRikerlooks like smootar canceled the 9:30 today. we'll likely touch base then anyway, ok?
16:02.41tdeforestok
16:02.44jazzee8845downloading free one
16:03.31scgallafentMeetingplace at 9:30 or IRC?
16:04.51jazzee8845xchat - wdk.googlecode.com is safe?
16:05.35scgallafentYes.
16:06.22jazzee8845custom or full instalation?
16:07.17scgallafentProbably easiest to take full if you don't need custom.
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16:12.23jameshi
16:12.48tdeforestwelcome james
16:13.01Guest55750my name changed
16:13.16scgallafentThere is probably another James online, or that name is reserved.
16:13.28tdeforestGuest55750: you have to reserve your nick
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16:14.45james8845hi
16:14.52scgallafentWelcome back.
16:14.57tdeforestscgallafent: swarm announce and commits have members but the discuss group says it has 0 members. do i add everyone manually?
16:15.08scgallafentDid I miss discuss? Just a second.
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16:15.46scgallafentI show 20 members in the discussion group.
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16:15.57james8845right
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16:16.14jazzee8845hi
16:16.32jazzee8845infobot
16:17.25tdeforestscgallafent: google groups interface is throwing me for a loop. in the 'new' google groups interface i can't see the discuss swarm group
16:17.41scgallafentYou should be able to see the group, but you don't see membership.
16:17.55jazzee8845tom hi
16:18.07tdeforestin the 'old' view (which i can't find at the moment) it listed 20 members for announce and commits but 0 for discuss
16:18.36tdeforesti don't see the group at all at the moment
16:19.13scgallafentI checked and I see it.
16:19.28tdeforesthttp://d.pr/jb62
16:19.31scgallafentYou're a member/
16:20.05scgallafentCan you get to it here: https://groups.google.com/a/tech.lds.org/group/swarm/topics ?
16:20.31tdeforestyes
16:21.12TimRikerstarts using the new swarm discussion list
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16:21.36scgallafentI wonder if you're seeing a delay while data replicates between systems somewhere.
16:21.52tdeforestah
16:22.05tdeforesti almost went crazy
16:22.26tdeforestthank you. i just wanted to check the don mcnutt was in the group and he is
16:22.35tdeforesthe was having trouble signing in
16:23.15tdeforesti think it was user error
16:23.23tdeforestkind of like me :)
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16:25.27scgallafentjazzee8845: Back on the web?
16:25.36jazzee8845yes
16:25.42scgallafentX-Chat didn't work?
16:25.44jazzee8845it was to much lag
16:26.15scgallafentI use AdiIRC: http://www.adiirc.com/
16:28.12jazzee8845what
16:28.26scgallafentInstead of X-Chat
16:28.27jazzee8845is the thing for it
16:28.53scgallafentIs the thing for what?
16:28.58jazzee8845server
16:29.28scgallafentI use AdiIRC instead of X-Chat or the web client to connect to IRC.
16:30.17jazzee8845i downloaded that what server
16:30.22tccastaldojazzee8845, there are instructions for connecting to IRC using different clients here: http://tech.lds.org/wiki/IRC
16:30.51scgallafentFreenode.
16:31.08scgallafentI point to chat.us.freenode.net. You probably want to use chat.eu.freenode.net.
16:34.09scgallafentDid we decide if we're on or off for 8/9/11:30?
16:36.23TimRikercasually on. :)
16:36.51TimRikertdeforest, send my swarm reply to the list, it didn't get there so far.
16:37.05tdeforesti noticed i only got one copy
16:37.23jazzee8845scgallafent:  it is not connecting
16:37.27TimRiker<PROTECTED>
16:37.46scgallafentTimRiker: I see a reply to Krishna.
16:37.46tdeforestTimRiker: i'll double check your email address...
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16:39.50tdeforestTimRiker: that is the email address in the group for you
16:39.55scgallafentjazzee8845: It should look like this: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13237994/jazzee8845.png
16:39.59TimRikerthoughts?
16:40.15scgallafentTimRiker: I see a reply from you. What message are you looking for?
16:40.26tdeforestit doesn't show my post from this morning either, although that was sent successfully
16:40.37tdeforestscgallafent: he sent it directly and to the list
16:40.46scgallafentOIC
16:41.04tdeforestdirect message arrived, list message didn't - you get it
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16:41.28Jazzee845hi
16:41.44tccastaldoHello!
16:42.05Jazzee845so
16:42.45scgallafentTimRiker: I wonder if you're getting blackholed the way messages were from the cdev and tech servers.
16:44.28Jazzee8845thanks scgallafent
16:44.33tdeforestTimRiker: on a different topic, ProKarma asked me about a QA zone separate from cdev. do we have an instance of joomla/jira that could be used strictly for QA by ProKarma? scgallafent suggested they should just create their own QA environment.
16:44.38scgallafentYou're welcome.
16:46.01tdeforesttheir objective is to run QA and development in parallel without creating confusion. they would need to be able to push Swarm to the QA zone manually
16:46.18TimRikerscgallafent, do we have receipts for the gg fees we've covered? can you get them to Chetan?
16:46.44scgallafentReceipts? Google? I'll look, but I doubt they provide such a thing.
16:47.22TimRikerjust an email confirmation would do.
16:48.30TimRikertdeforest, we have a staging lane in theory. we should be setting up an integration lane as well, but I don't think we've gotten very far with that.
16:48.35scgallafentThey've got a transaction history online. It looks like they bill monthly.
16:48.40scgallafentBetter have Chetan call me.
16:48.55TimRikerthere's no much an external volunteer can do about setting these up. I would not plan on having anything to test in other than cdev.
16:49.30tdeforestTimRiker: ok that confirms my suspicion. i checked the stage environment this morning and it was only accessible via vpn
16:50.07TimRikerThere's nothing here yet: http://cint.lds.org/ldstech/joomla/
16:51.05scgallafentTimRiker: Emailed Chetan.
16:51.09tdeforestTimRiker: not to sound too ignorant but what's an integration lane used for?
16:52.25TimRikertdeforest, at present? nothing. in principle qa efforts between projects.
16:52.39tdeforesthaha. ok thank  you :)
16:53.44tdeforestso we're working toward having an integration lane but ETA is unknown, is that correct?
16:54.46TimRikersounds about right, yep.
16:55.37tdeforestk. i'll let ProKarma know and point them toward setting up their own QA zone
16:56.23tdeforestor just testing on cdev like we do currently :)
16:56.45TimRikerI've not gotten a bounce back from swarm@tech.lds.org, but my message does not show in the list or in the moderation queue
16:57.27TimRikerI'd rather not pay they to spend many hours setting up a qa zone that we'll just throw away after they finish.
16:57.42TimRikers/they/them/
16:57.49tdeforestagrees
16:58.16Jazzee8845agrees
16:58.27tdeforesti'll have them test on cdev. not ideal but pretty workable
16:58.41TimRikerhey! Jazzee8845 grew a capital J. :)
17:00.16tdeforestscgallafent: now i see this: http://d.pr/Qcme
17:00.30scgallafentTimRiker: I don't think we were getting bounces when messages weren't being delivered from cdev.
17:00.45scgallafenttdeforest: I'll sync that group.
17:01.04TimRikerI got a few, but I don't think I always get them.
17:01.08tdeforestand when i click on contact the owner, i get this humorous result http://d.pr/Y2BD
17:01.44scgallafentTimRiker: Got the testing 1 2 3 message.
17:02.02tdeforestalso received
17:02.02scgallafentAsk nicely and maybe someone will let you join. :)
17:02.31tdeforesti'm often guilty of not asking nicely…that's probably my problem :P
17:05.26Jazzee8845i know
17:05.41Jazzee8845TimRiker
17:05.42TimRikerscgallafent, yeah? still does not show in the archives.
17:05.56tdeforestTimRiker: got it
17:06.13scgallafentArchives is turned off?
17:06.20scgallafentHow did that get set off?
17:06.34tdeforest~give scgallafent some tylenol
17:06.35infobotACTION gives some tylenol to scgallafent
17:06.35scgallafentFixed. Checking code.
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17:07.02tdeforesti'm preempting the headache :)
17:07.05Jazzee8845<PROTECTED>
17:07.05infobothello, jazzee8845
17:07.27scgallafentArchives was off for the discussion group, but on for the other two groups.
17:07.50Jazzee8845<PROTECTED>
17:07.50infobotACTION gives chocolate to jazzee8845
17:08.24Jazzee8845~ are you happy?
17:08.45Jazzee8845~ re
17:08.45infobotsomebody said re was religious education
17:09.17Jazzee8845~gmt
17:09.17infobotGeneric Mapping Tools. URL: http://imina.soest.hawaii.edu/gmt/.  Greenwich Mean Time
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17:09.51Jazzee8845~who is jazzee8845
17:09.51infobotJazzee8845: what are you talking about?
17:10.18Jazzee8845~give me £20,000
17:10.18infobotACTION gives £20,000 to jazzee8845
17:10.33Jazzee8845~ $10000000000000
17:10.49Jazzee8845~give me $1000000000000000000000
17:10.49infobotACTION gives $1000000000000000000000 to jazzee8845
17:11.29Jazzee8845tdeforest: was it great?
17:11.31TimRikerJazzee8845, if you want to play with the bot, a good place to do that is in #infobot
17:11.46TimRikeror even better, in private chat. :)
17:12.03Jazzee8845lol
17:12.13Jazzee8845ok
17:12.19TimRikertry /msg infobot help   to get started
17:13.02Jazzee8845does it help to et started on ldstech?
17:13.07TimRikeryea! we have archives. :)
17:13.18Jazzee8845kwl
17:13.38TimRikerJazzee8845, infobot logs this channel and has some useful commands. it's not directly tied to ldstech.
17:17.01Jazzee8845tdeforest how is lds tech going
17:17.40Jazzee8845?
17:23.02Jazzee8845tccastaldo ho
17:23.20Jazzee8845hows can volunteers help
17:23.33Jazzee8845on ld tech project?
17:24.38tccastaldoI'm not in charge.  I don't know what help is needed from volunteers at this point.
17:24.58scgallafentJazzee8845: Don't you have a couple of projects you have gotten involved with
17:25.27Jazzee8845yes, trying to help one more
17:25.42coderjeffJazee8845: it's kinda hard to find anything to do
17:30.08scgallafentJazzee8845: I've got something you can work on. I'll give you details in private message.
17:30.15Jazzee8845ok
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17:37.08TimRiker<PROTECTED>
17:37.22scgallafentChecking....
17:37.49TimRikerlooks like this is camping.lds.org at present. I just don't know if it's also cpas.lds.org
17:37.53scgallafent5230 is live CPAS. They should be OK to upgrade.
17:38.03TimRikerk. thx.
17:38.14scgallafentcamping.lds.org lives there temporarily while we wait to move to the new server (among other things).
17:38.27TimRikernods. that's what I was thinking.
17:38.28scgallafentIf they can let me know when the upgrade is complete, I'll do some testing.
17:39.17TimRikerk. copying you on the email reply.
17:39.24scgallafentOK. Thanks.
17:39.45scgallafentWe still need to update cdev CPAS to MLU 1.8. Probably a good task for Later™.
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17:44.28TimRikernods. probably should move from sles 10.1 to sles 10.3 while we're at it.
17:44.41Jazzee8845timriker
17:45.03Jazzee8845TimRiker this is a gread CV builder
17:47.02scgallafentOooo. Big upgrade!
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18:20.41Jazzee8845is internet running slow?
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18:31.45scgallafentTimRiker, tdeforest: GGroups user panel with dataTables: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13237994/groups-usercp.png
18:31.51scgallafentTurned out OK.
18:32.39tdeforesthow about that.
18:32.47tdeforestthanks scgallafent
18:33.18scgallafentI ended up throwing out the "no groups for project line and had to do a little creative styling.
18:33.45scgallafentHave to figure out why it won't sort on the subscribe/not subscribed column.
18:35.01tdeforestthat seems strange
18:35.16tdeforestthat shouldn't be a problem.
18:35.29scgallafentIt may be because that column is dynamically updated. They originally all saying "Checking..." and then update after the AJAX call.
18:35.40tdeforesti can take a look at that if you want
18:35.49tdeforesthmmm
18:36.05tdeforestbut if the dom is updated then it seems it would sort accordingly
18:41.46scgallafentNope. It's not taking the value after the DOM is updated. Curious....
18:42.37scgallafent"Typically DataTables will read information to be sorted during it's initialisation phase, and this will not be updated based on user interaction ...."
18:43.32scgallafentEwwww. Definitely break time before I tackle this!
18:44.21tdeforestdoes this help: http://www.datatables.net/examples/data_sources/ajax.html
18:45.50scgallafentNo. That will load it with AJAX. I "get" to use this: http://datatables.net/release-datatables/examples/plug-ins/dom_sort.html
18:45.51TimRikerjira on cdev was updated to 4.4.4  holler if anything broke!
18:46.42TimRikerscgallafent, can the group column be type/link and link to the archives?
18:46.57scgallafentGood idea.
18:47.09TimRikertype/archive perhaps
18:47.22TimRikertype/web ? whatever... :)
18:47.38tdeforestscgallafent: gotcha. i had to use this technique for columns that have selects in them
18:48.38TimRikerthere is data-tables support for a checkbox. you could just make it a checkbox column.
18:48.45tdeforestdidn't realize that this would apply to ajax applied changes. but i guess that makes sense since data tables also provides the ability to paginate results
18:49.25scgallafentUpdated the image: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13237994/groups-usercp.png
18:49.38scgallafentBetter, TimRiker?
18:49.56TimRikerthe scheduler sorts by checkboxes for general and approval fields. ajax calls on change for those buttons.
18:50.16TimRikerscgallafent, yes. nice.
18:50.37TimRikermight make the project column a link to the project page.
18:50.47scgallafentJust working on that now.
18:50.56TimRikerawesome. great minds
18:51.08scgallafentI see what you're thinking. :)
18:53.20scgallafentOf course, now I should add the status of the group and sub/unsub links on the project page if you're a member of the project. If you give a mouse a cookie ....
18:53.54tdeforesthehe
18:54.31scgallafenttarget="_blank" isn't valid in XHTML. Anybody have a problem with me breaking the rules?
18:54.45tccastaldo:-O
18:55.00scgallafentIt works; it just isn't valid XHTML.
18:55.25tccastaldocalls the W3C police
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19:00.20tdeforestthat's not valid???
19:00.40scgallafentI thought it wasn't. Checking....
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19:01.47scgallafentXHTML 1.0 Transitional allows target. Strict doesn't. We're using Transitional, so all is well.
19:02.32tdeforesthow about that.
19:03.02scgallafentI used Strict quite a bit and got used to not having target. At least not legally.....
19:03.05tccastaldoHello, LDSTech!
19:04.33tccastaldocalls off the chase
19:05.44tdeforesti generally avoid target="_blank" but there are cases where it makes sense
19:06.21scgallafentI'm using it when the user clicks on the link to the group so they get a new window to groups.google.com.
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19:06.48scgallafentHopefully that's a little less disconcerting than just jumping away from the LDSTech site.
19:10.24tdeforesti prefer to let users decide when new windows open. but i don't lose sleep over the matter. there are lots of opinions...
19:11.20tccastaldoI'm with tdeforest.
19:15.52TimRikersetup our "dashboard" display yesterday. you're now all on a 46" display over my desk. Say "Hello World!" :)
19:16.03scgallafentHello, World!
19:16.33tccastaldo:D
19:17.06scgallafentI can change it. I'm not going to lose much sleep over it, either.
19:17.22scgallafentwonders if a comma belongs there, but isn't concerned enough to look it up right now
19:19.33tccastaldoYes, scgallafent; your commas are right.
19:20.15scgallafentGlad to know the habit is correct. Sometimes my fingers get way out in front.
19:21.47tccastaldo:)
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19:43.25tdeforesthello world
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20:23.15scgallafentJust checked in the code for the Google Groups user control panel on cdev. Testers welcome.
20:24.07TimRikertdeforest, you attending the planning meeting?
20:24.14tdeforestyes
20:24.29tdeforestjust about to call in
20:38.02tccastaldoThe last part of your comment got garbled.
20:42.11tccastaldotdeforest, scgallafent, can you hear?
20:42.17scgallafentYes. barely.
20:42.21tccastaldoI know we're talking softly.
20:44.11josephscott~infobot turn up the volume
20:52.04tccastaldo~hit TimRiker
20:52.04infobotACTION punches TimRiker.
20:52.43tccastaldoCan't say he didn't ask for it. ;)
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21:17.14tccastaldoSorry -- I was chatting away.
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21:19.54tccastaldoIt's a good thing we're on the big screen.  I wouldn't have noticed your comment, scgallafent, if it weren't on your side of the split.
21:19.54tccastaldoWhat opinion do you need?
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21:19.54scgallafentI'm working on degrading gracefully for the GGroup user control pannel.
21:19.54scgallafents/pannel/panel/
21:20.11scgallafentIf you log into cdev Joomla and go to Projects, you see a new link called groups. Try it....
21:20.23tccastaldogoes to try it...
21:21.26tccastaldoK
21:21.26scgallafentThe status links on that page are built with an AJAX call. If JavaScript is disabled, that column is blank.
21:21.35scgallafentI've modified the page to show the status links without requiring JavaScript.
21:21.48scgallafentYou don't get the +/- buttons to change status, but at least they're filled in.
21:22.00tccastaldonods
21:22.19scgallafentThe downside is that the page takes the full time to load with the new method, since the API call that is made by AJAX is now made as part of page load.
21:22.29scgallafentDo you think it's too long of a wait for the page load?
21:22.35scgallafentI can update cdev if you want to try the new version.
21:23.02tccastaldoDo you need to reload it, or can I just disable JavaScript?
21:23.14tccastaldos/reload/update/
21:23.18scgallafentIf you disable JavaScript, you'll see what it looks like without. (Pre fix)
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21:23.25tccastaldoAh.
21:23.33scgallafentTry that and then I'll update it.
21:23.38tccastaldoOkay.
21:24.54scgallafentIt should look pretty naked without JavaScript.
21:25.06tccastaldoblushes
21:25.59scgallafentReady for the update?
21:26.14tdeforestready
21:26.16tccastaldoAye.
21:26.47scgallafentOK. Reload the page and tell me if the wait is too long.
21:27.05tccastaldoNot for me in Chrome.
21:27.12tdeforestthat was a reasonable load time
21:27.25tccastaldoI think it's fine.
21:27.27scgallafentOK. I'll keep the update.
21:27.36scgallafentIt's nice to have a second and third opinion.
21:27.57scgallafentThanks for checking it.
21:28.13scgallafentIt's ready for testing and general abuse.
21:28.20tccastaldoYw
21:28.23tccastaldoAwesome.
21:34.59TimRikerme adds some links to http://cdev.lds.org/
21:35.31tccastaldo:D
21:35.45tccastaldoTimRiker++
21:35.56scgallafent~TimRiker++
21:36.17tccastaldoYes, of course that's what I meant. ;)
21:36.26tccastaldo~TimRiker++
21:36.42tccastaldo~scgallafent++
21:36.54scgallafentAw, thanks.
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21:37.36tdeforestscgallafent: to enable groups admin on my local machine do i need the api key?
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21:37.45scgallafentYes.
21:37.52scgallafentHold on.
21:50.07scgallafentJust cleaned up the list of items on LDSTech v2.6.1 in JIRA and created v2.6.2.
21:50.25scgallafentLunchtime
21:51.20TimRikergets wsvn somewhat working in cdev
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21:53.59Jazzee8845hi
21:59.15Jazzee8845TimRiker: hows you?
22:10.10Jazzee8845tccastaldo: you on?
22:10.23tccastaldoYes.
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22:14.15Jazzee8845how long does it take for a project manager to email back?
22:15.08tccastaldoDepends on the person and how busy he/she is.
22:15.56Jazzee8845is hal in work roday?
22:16.14tccastaldoI saw him earlier...I think...
22:17.09tomjohnsonTimRiker: Project managers in Joomla aren't admins, right?
22:17.44Jazzee8845i am going to be helping him out with the blackberry app help and helping him with the wiki
22:17.50Jazzee8845as community manager
22:17.53TimRikernot joomla admins no. but imho they should be gg managers, jira managers, swarm managers, etc.
22:18.57tomjohnsonI'm just creating some instructions. If someone is a project lead, they have no means of looking to see volunteers who meet the skillsets defined by their project, right?
22:19.35tomjohnsonWhen you or Alan create a new project, there's a section to "select the skills and expertise level needed for the project." I'm assuming you do that on behalf of project leaders, right?
22:20.03TimRikerdoes an s~/wsvn/wsvn/~/wsvn/~ on cdev
22:25.09Jazzee8845have anyone seen broski?
22:26.07tccastaldoNo, not today.
22:27.30Jazzee8845when the next session
22:27.31Jazzee8845live
22:27.40tccastaldoNo, Google -- I actually meant "mongo chunks," not "mango chunks."
22:28.31tccastaldoJazzee8845, not until May.
22:28.49Jazzee8845ok what will it be about?
22:29.19tccastaldohttp://tech.lds.org/wiki/LDSTech_broadcasts
22:30.48tomjohnsonTimRiker, do people contact you or Alan to add a new project to Joomla?
22:31.28Jazzee8845ok
22:34.16Jazzee8845~ night
22:34.16infobotG'night jazzee8845, get out of here.
22:34.37Jazzee8845~ you are in trouble
22:34.37infobotJazzee8845: what are you talking about?
22:34.47Jazzee8845ok night all
22:34.55Jazzee8845~ good night
22:34.55infobotGood night, good! Have a cookie... oh no! The cookie jar is dry!
22:35.52scgallafentTimRiker: I just created LDSTECH-633 and am going to assign it to you. Can you add comments, pass it on to tdeforest for his comments, and we'll try to circulate it for comments and eventually back to me for coding?
22:36.15Jazzee8845good night :)
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22:47.24TimRikertomjohnson, a bit of both. alan knows more people in here to get the right contact.
22:47.29TimRikerscgallafent, sounds good.
22:48.10TimRikertomjohnson, project leads can look at "available resources" to see people not yet in their project.
22:48.42tomjohnsonin cdev, is there a test login that shows what the project manager sees?
22:48.46TimRikertomjohnson, project managers can update the skills for a project themselves
22:49.02tomjohnsonoh, I didn't know that.
22:49.11TimRiker<PROTECTED>
22:49.44tomjohnsonTimRiker, but I am looking for "project manager," not "site admin."
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22:50.16tomjohnsonTimRiker, oh, I see. Thanks,
22:50.50TimRiker<PROTECTED>
22:54.31tomjohnsonpholder seems like a regular site admin, with the ability to create a new project. http://screencast.com/t/oY1wpZIcyXpL
23:03.46TimRikertomjohnson, perhaps...
23:03.57TimRikerlet me add JohnDoe as a project only admin
23:04.11tomjohnsonthanks.
23:05.05TimRikerdone
23:07.49TimRikernote.. as jadmin you could do the same. :)

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