| 00:00.01 | smootar | Have a great night. |
| 00:00.03 | scgallafent | Have a good evening. |
| 00:00.16 | scgallafent | I've got a list of GG items in Jira. You may want to review those tomorrow. |
| 00:01.35 | johnsonth | scgallafent, I'm here. |
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| 00:08.51 | scgallafent | johnsonth: I talked to Ben Groen on Sunday. |
| 00:09.02 | johnsonth | Great. Did he get the information he needs? |
| 00:09.03 | scgallafent | We probably need to decide when to move your existing group to GGroups. |
| 00:09.16 | johnsonth | Sure, whenever you want. |
| 00:09.16 | scgallafent | Yes. He's going to work on a draft and send it to both of us in the next couple of days. |
| 00:09.26 | johnsonth | I am tired of adding people manually to the list. |
| 00:09.34 | scgallafent | OK. Maybe I'll get the group created now and then you can move when you're ready. |
| 00:09.43 | scgallafent | Announce-only, discussion, or both? |
| 00:09.44 | johnsonth | How exactly do I move it? |
| 00:09.52 | johnsonth | Discussion. Just want one list. |
| 00:09.53 | scgallafent | The content doesn't follow. :( |
| 00:10.02 | johnsonth | oh, hmmm. |
| 00:10.17 | johnsonth | that's all right. |
| 00:10.21 | scgallafent | As far as I've been able to tell, there isn't a way to import the content. |
| 00:10.37 | johnsonth | but the project members will all be added automatically. |
| 00:10.40 | scgallafent | Short of remailing all of the messages to the new list. |
| 00:10.44 | johnsonth | feel free to move it whenever. |
| 00:10.51 | scgallafent | Yes. When they join/leave in LDSTech it will be updated. |
| 00:10.57 | scgallafent | ldstech-blog@tech.lds.org? |
| 00:11.18 | johnsonth | let me ponder that name a minute. |
| 00:11.26 | johnsonth | I want them to write wiki content as well. |
| 00:12.45 | johnsonth | yes, you can just use that name, ldstech-blog. |
| 00:13.09 | scgallafent | OK. I'll get it created tonight or tomorrow. |
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| 15:32.53 | tdeforest | waves to everyone |
| 15:35.20 | smootar | waves at tdeforest |
| 15:37.24 | tccastaldo | looks up and waves, too |
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| 16:01.01 | tdeforest | moin TimRiker, BroSki |
| 16:01.07 | BroSki | yoyo |
| 16:01.27 | smootar | ************************************************ |
| 16:01.28 | smootar | ***** Begin - LDSTech Meeting - 22 FEB 2012 **** |
| 16:01.28 | smootar | ************************************************ |
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| 16:01.31 | smootar | Who is all here? |
| 16:01.35 | tccastaldo | I'm here! |
| 16:01.37 | TimRiker | wants a yoyo |
| 16:01.38 | tdeforest | here |
| 16:01.51 | thehpguy | wants a quiet evening at home |
| 16:01.52 | smootar | ~give TimRiker a yoyo |
| 16:01.52 | infobot | ACTION gives a yoyo to TimRiker |
| 16:01.59 | TimRiker | woot! |
| 16:02.02 | smootar | :) |
| 16:02.19 | smootar | TimRiker, do you want to start this morning? |
| 16:02.29 | TimRiker | sure. |
| 16:02.40 | TimRiker | got sucked back into the scheduler yesterday. :/ |
| 16:03.02 | smootar | Any movement from EPIS on scheduler? |
| 16:03.06 | TimRiker | we're having issues with paper uploads. it looks like the gridfs chunking is not working. files are limited to 256k |
| 16:03.07 | tccastaldo | is relieved to have some company |
| 16:03.15 | smootar | :( |
| 16:03.38 | tccastaldo | :(, indeed. |
| 16:03.41 | TimRiker | no reply from epis. |
| 16:03.55 | TimRiker | some replies to the icp gg email, not much chatter on the channel yet. |
| 16:04.20 | TimRiker | I spent quite a bit of time Friday cleaning up icp some more. I think we're ready for a security scan there. |
| 16:04.52 | TimRiker | the security folks are looking for the anthill build to run the scan against. ie: they are having issues getting up to speed with php. |
| 16:05.31 | TimRiker | I'll spend more time on scheduler today at least till we get uploads/downloads working. will fix the pptx file type indicator while I'm in there. |
| 16:06.02 | TimRiker | will have to hardcode that one as our commercial tcat servers do not know that mime type and they block an application from adding new mime types. |
| 16:06.20 | tccastaldo | groans |
| 16:06.28 | TimRiker | it works in tomcat, (free) but not in tcat (commercial). I'm so glad we insist on paying for software. |
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| 16:06.57 | smootar | ;/ |
| 16:07.30 | tccastaldo | That's an interesting face, smootar. |
| 16:07.33 | TimRiker | will start looking at svnrm syncing in joomla too. hope to at least add it to the admin tools, hoping not to break add/join/change project roles in the process. |
| 16:08.04 | TimRiker | cdev server for svn cannot send email, so we can't yet test the commits lists there. dlhace is looking into it. |
| 16:08.04 | smootar | nods at tccastaldo using ;/ |
| 16:08.20 | tccastaldo | chuckles |
| 16:08.34 | TimRiker | family issues continue to eat all of my non-office time. |
| 16:09.16 | smootar | thinks that family issues eat up his non-office time as well, but they are different. :) |
| 16:09.26 | TimRiker | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:09.29 | BroSki | TimRiker, sent you an email on inner-city project, we have inquires on TechLDS...any thoughts |
| 16:10.09 | thehpguy | wishes that basketball time would interfere with work schedule .... |
| 16:10.32 | smootar | :) |
| 16:11.15 | TimRiker | BroSki, I've replied to some of the icp emails directly. will post more info in the group probably today. |
| 16:11.33 | smootar | Anything else TimRiker ? |
| 16:11.39 | thehpguy | no exercise for an aging man .. leaves a large round dimple in the wood chair he sits on in front of his computer .... |
| 16:11.41 | TimRiker | feel free to join in on conversation there. icp is eager to get more dev eyes on the project. |
| 16:11.58 | TimRiker | looks like security managed a scan of icp. I'll look that over today. |
| 16:12.04 | TimRiker | that's it for me. |
| 16:12.18 | smootar | Thanks TimRiker. |
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| 16:12.27 | smootar | tdeforest, ? |
| 16:12.53 | tdeforest | Making headway on the style guide. Got some information from Kory Garner. Looks like we'll be able to work together to promote design standards. That discussion is still new so I'm not sure what direction that will take. I do know that Kory is willing to review what I put together for LDSTech. That is good. It will help me to improve the work I do for LDSTech. |
| 16:12.53 | tdeforest | Got lots of feedback on the welcome packet. I am implementing changes. |
| 16:12.54 | tdeforest | Two and a half weeks to move date. As a reminder I won't be working Mar 5-9, will be driving Mar 12-16 |
| 16:12.55 | thehpguy | uh oh ... he is citting and pasting a LOT of stuff .. |
| 16:13.15 | tdeforest | :) |
| 16:13.20 | tdeforest | not much today |
| 16:13.49 | smootar | OK, thanks. |
| 16:13.52 | smootar | scgallafent, ? |
| 16:13.56 | scgallafent | I spent most of yesterday dealing with a technical support issue. Looking forward to a more regular day today. |
| 16:14.07 | smootar | :) |
| 16:14.24 | smootar | tccastaldo, ? |
| 16:14.36 | tccastaldo | MOTS for me. |
| 16:14.59 | tccastaldo | Went from one Scheduler issue to another yesterday. |
| 16:15.22 | tccastaldo | Right now I'm trying to help TimRiker figure out why the attachment upload chunking isn't working. |
| 16:16.03 | tccastaldo | I'm also adding JIRA tickets on demand. Anything I should add today? |
| 16:16.12 | tccastaldo | Anything else, I mean? |
| 16:16.35 | smootar | Thx tccastaldo |
| 16:16.39 | smootar | zakzakattack, ? |
| 16:16.41 | tccastaldo | Had an interesting Lunch 'n' Learn yesterday, too. |
| 16:16.53 | zakzakattack | Finnaly got testflight to work on my ipad and finnaly got LDS music beta app installed and i will be doing the test cases on it today. |
| 16:17.14 | zakzakattack | thanks for the Help on that smootar! |
| 16:17.25 | smootar | yw |
| 16:17.33 | zakzakattack | thats it for me |
| 16:17.40 | smootar | Thx |
| 16:17.46 | smootar | BroSki, anything? |
| 16:18.03 | BroSki | Nope, did you see the article on LDS Music |
| 16:18.30 | TimRiker | BroSki, if there are any folks interested in icp, please have them introduce themselves on the gg list |
| 16:18.33 | BroSki | http://tech.lds.org/index.php/component/content/article/1-miscellaneous/459-using-a-church-service-missionary-on-your-project |
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| 16:18.41 | smootar | Yes |
| 16:18.54 | smootar | Were you interviewed for that I guess? |
| 16:19.00 | BroSki | TimRiker: K thx |
| 16:19.19 | BroSki | yes |
| 16:19.28 | smootar | Thanks for doing that. |
| 16:19.39 | smootar | thehpguy, anything? |
| 16:19.42 | BroSki | :) your welcome |
| 16:20.17 | thehpguy | I owe someone a Jira assignment regarding the email button in the projects area. I forgot who that was for. I also a need to try and get Tom Welch a proper test device, as he says he needs one to test some of our webos stuff on before submitting |
| 16:20.49 | smootar | I have a webos device that he could use. It is a palm smart phone. |
| 16:20.58 | thehpguy | I have been stuck in a hold pattern again for 2 weeks, as he is unable to push it through to the WEBOS folks to thew app catalog until he does |
| 16:21.01 | smootar | There are probably others around as well. |
| 16:21.04 | scgallafent | Jira ticket is for me. |
| 16:21.19 | thehpguy | OK scgallafent |
| 16:21.25 | smootar | Did you already have a solution for his personal testing thehpguy ? |
| 16:21.33 | thehpguy | No |
| 16:21.59 | smootar | I can get him my device if you would like. |
| 16:22.00 | thehpguy | I gave him our test file 2 weeks ago, expecting that a week late rit woul dbe trough the process, and I saw no updates come through on the webos side. |
| 16:22.14 | smootar | :( |
| 16:22.19 | thehpguy | I called him yesterday to follow up, and he has been stuck for 2 weeks, and I had no idea |
| 16:22.47 | smootar | Stuck looking for a device? |
| 16:23.12 | thehpguy | unsure |
| 16:23.26 | smootar | OK, let me talk with him. I'll see what I can do to help. |
| 16:23.38 | smootar | Anything else thehpguy ? |
| 16:23.46 | thehpguy | nothign here |
| 16:24.43 | smootar | thehpguy, I would like to chat with you about my visit next week. |
| 16:24.51 | smootar | I will do that after the meeting. |
| 16:25.00 | smootar | tomjohnson, anything? |
| 16:25.01 | thehpguy | OH yes |
| 16:25.13 | thehpguy | Call me smootar at the regular # |
| 16:25.17 | tomjohnson | I don't have anything specific. |
| 16:25.21 | smootar | thehpguy, will do |
| 16:25.32 | TimRiker | smootar, do we want to discuss the ldsaccount username emails? |
| 16:25.45 | smootar | I don't want to, but we probably should. |
| 16:25.50 | smootar | :) |
| 16:25.51 | TimRiker | hehe |
| 16:26.03 | smootar | Let's chat offline about that. |
| 16:26.17 | smootar | There is a new Jira ticket to address it. |
| 16:26.23 | smootar | THx tccastaldo |
| 16:26.35 | tccastaldo | yw |
| 16:26.58 | smootar | We have a request for both SVNRM and Forums integration to be done. |
| 16:27.17 | smootar | But I want to have scheduler mellowed out before pushing for those items. |
| 16:27.39 | smootar | Thanks all for meeting. |
| 16:27.40 | smootar | ************************************************ |
| 16:27.40 | smootar | ***** End - LDSTech Meeting - 22 FEB 2012 ****** |
| 16:27.40 | smootar | ************************************************ |
| 16:27.42 | TimRiker | yes. I'm not sure what's broken in forums. The code that checked in looks like it should work, but it does not. issues particularly with admincp logins |
| 16:28.17 | smootar | I didn't know forums was broken. |
| 16:28.30 | smootar | I was talking about joomla/project to forums integrations. |
| 16:28.49 | smootar | s/integrations/integration/ |
| 16:33.16 | BroSki | smootar & tdeforest: sent new gift layout |
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| 17:50.35 | jazzee8845 | hi |
| 17:50.45 | jazzee8845 | how are you a;; |
| 17:51.53 | tccastaldo | We're doing great, jazzee8845. |
| 17:53.16 | jazzee8845 | castaldo can i become a comunity manager |
| 17:56.45 | TimRiker | some of our projects are looking for active managers to look through jira, edit and assign issues, etc. |
| 17:57.07 | TimRiker | if that's what you'd like to do, pick a project and dive in. You can comment on jiras by just joining the project. |
| 17:57.36 | TimRiker | you can contact a project manager, or the project lead and request higher access to edit and assign jira tickets. |
| 17:58.11 | TimRiker | there are many of the forums that need help. join in and help answer questions and point people to resources to get what they need. |
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| 17:58.39 | TimRiker | if we can help you with a specific project, holler! |
| 18:00.18 | TimRiker | scgallafent, ldstools android is looking to move to our gg. project name suggestion? ldstoolsand@ ? ldstand? current jira is "mma" current svn is mobilemember |
| 18:00.32 | TimRiker | they are moving to git instead. not sure the name of the new repo. |
| 18:00.51 | scgallafent | ldstools-android |
| 18:01.04 | TimRiker | so then we have ldstools-android-commits ? |
| 18:01.23 | scgallafent | Aren't they all in the same repository? |
| 18:01.33 | TimRiker | and ldstools-android-announce ? |
| 18:01.45 | TimRiker | they were, yes. I don't know if they still will be. |
| 18:01.45 | scgallafent | Do they need an announce? |
| 18:01.54 | TimRiker | need? no. want? yes. |
| 18:02.31 | scgallafent | If they're all in the same repository, they probably don't want a commits group. Othewise, they'll get commits from the other projects. |
| 18:02.50 | scgallafent | What's the point of having an announce group if there is a discussion group? |
| 18:03.30 | TimRiker | I think they are planning to move to a separate repository. but even if they were in the same repository, we can send commit messages from different parts of the tree to different groups. |
| 18:03.34 | scgallafent | Do they think they're not going to discuss things that come through the announce group? |
| 18:03.52 | scgallafent | If we can separate commits messages, then that solves the problem. |
| 18:04.08 | TimRiker | so if all you want to hear is beta announcements, but not the discussion around them, you can signup for the announce list but not the discuss list. |
| 18:04.42 | TimRiker | I recommend that release announcements go to the announce list with reply-to set to the discuss list. |
| 18:04.50 | TimRiker | then the user has the choice. |
| 18:04.57 | scgallafent | Makes sense, but we're stretching these way beyond the original design. Now we're suddenly creating a situation where the subscription model is much more complicated. |
| 18:05.07 | scgallafent | "Life finds a way" |
| 18:05.18 | TimRiker | explain how this is much more complicated? |
| 18:05.47 | TimRiker | the user gets added to the groups on join, and can decide to adjust which mails he gets. sounds the same to me. |
| 18:05.51 | scgallafent | By default, users get added to the lists. We're now essentially encouraging users to pick and choose which lists they subscribe to. |
| 18:06.28 | scgallafent | It is, but we don't have an interface right now for users to do that. That's still a few days out, at minimum. |
| 18:06.44 | scgallafent | I'm not saying it's a bad idea -- it actually makes a lot of sense. |
| 18:06.46 | TimRiker | scgallafent, yes. I see the users as always picking and choosing. what project to join, what emails to get, what jiras to look at. yes. to all of those. |
| 18:07.11 | scgallafent | Right. But this implementation makes that difficult for them. |
| 18:07.15 | TimRiker | scgallafent, we DO have an interface. it's just not in joomla yet. |
| 18:08.13 | TimRiker | I'm a "use what you have" kinda guy. with a strong focus on "build what you want" thrown in. |
| 18:08.33 | TimRiker | I'm not a "it's not ideal, so lets not do it" kinda guy. :) |
| 18:09.13 | josephscott | tired of having perfection block usable? |
| 18:09.16 | scgallafent | That's true, but someone who doesn't have a Google account associated with their email address and doesn't want discussion on ldstools-android has to (1) create a Google account, (2) go to the Google Groups interface on the web, (3) navigate to the groups settings, and (4) disable emails for the list. |
| 18:10.12 | scgallafent | I'm find with use but we have, but I'm also cautious about not implementing some solution that abuses what we've got and accidentally commiting to a design that hamstrings you for the rest of forever. |
| 18:10.42 | scgallafent | This isn't necessarily one of those cases, but we should anticipate that there are going to be a lot of people wanting to drop off the discussion list. |
| 18:10.51 | scgallafent | luapps-beta discovered that the hard way. |
| 18:11.21 | josephscott | wonders what luapps stands for |
| 18:11.33 | scgallafent | If they're going to use the lists that way, we probably ought to have a solution that is (1) log into LDSTech, (2) uncheck the groups you don't want to receive mail from. |
| 18:11.41 | scgallafent | luapps-beta = Local Unit Applications Beta Testing |
| 18:12.10 | josephscott | ahhh |
| 18:12.12 | scgallafent | You can create the groups now and the announce vs discuss idea makes a lot of sense. |
| 18:12.49 | scgallafent | It's a perfect example of one of those situations where you can't anticipate everything that might be done with some code until it reaches production. |
| 18:13.38 | scgallafent | They need to anticipate that they're going to go through some pain over the next few days if they start using the lists like that because getting off just one list will be difficult. |
| 18:13.58 | scgallafent | Is it possible to go through the create account/apps scenario? Yes. |
| 18:14.24 | scgallafent | Will people do it? Some, but some others are just going to say "bag it." |
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| 18:16.49 | josephscott | TimRiker: I'm trying convince FS to build this: http://josephscott.org/archives/2012/02/familysearch-fantasy-feature-new-data-notifications/ (or at least have an API so I can do it) |
| 18:18.55 | thehpguy | smootar , are you still around ? |
| 18:32.12 | TimRiker | josephscott, yes. I asked and asked for "notify me of changes" feature. so far all I got was "that's too hard". |
| 18:32.53 | TimRiker | josephscott, another popular request is "highlight my ancestors in the tree" to help walking back down towards you. |
| 18:32.54 | josephscott | yeah, I'm half hoping there will be some way to convince them to let a third party build it then |
| 18:33.30 | josephscott | when I asked Jay about something like this last year he said they didn't have the resources to do it |
| 18:33.35 | TimRiker | without a built in "what's changed since" support, an external service would rapidly get unmanageable. |
| 18:34.43 | josephscott | to start with I'd be happy if they just sent new search index data to a URL so that I can do google alert style notifications myself |
| 18:34.47 | TimRiker | but multiple clients are now re-pulling all "your" data and syncing offline. this would be much more of that traffic. |
| 18:35.04 | TimRiker | nods |
| 18:35.11 | josephscott | no, I'm thinking strictly searching through new stuff |
| 18:35.23 | TimRiker | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:35.24 | josephscott | and throw it away after that process runs |
| 18:35.47 | josephscott | http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dan-rapp/0/3/64b ? |
| 18:36.00 | TimRiker | that's him |
| 18:36.25 | josephscott | I think he was in the presentation I gave to FS in Orem last week |
| 18:36.39 | josephscott | in attendance |
| 18:37.09 | josephscott | thanks for the pointer, I'll see if there is any interest there |
| 18:37.22 | TimRiker | cheers for the effort |
| 18:38.07 | josephscott | I just don't want to have to run the same searches to see if anything new has turned up for people I'm trying to find |
| 18:38.25 | josephscott | lazy can be an amazing motivator sometimes :-) |
| 18:39.41 | josephscott | accepts LI invitation |
| 18:51.10 | TimRiker | :) |
| 18:52.32 | TimRiker | tries the suggest a connection on LI and is disappointed that it didn't ask me to include an introduction. |
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| 19:09.45 | TimRiker | wishes eclipse would stop trying to force subversion to store unprotected passwords |
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| 21:08.34 | tdeforest | scgallafent: i'd like to be on the LDSTech project google groups. how do i do that? |
| 21:08.49 | scgallafent | Hold on -- on the phone. |
| 21:09.02 | tdeforest | np |
| 21:17.22 | scgallafent | tdeforest: Off the phone. I haven't created all of the groups yet. I'm working on the list today. |
| 21:17.31 | scgallafent | You'll be added to the groups when they are created if you are on the project. |
| 21:17.54 | tdeforest | ah. perfect |
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| 21:40.22 | tdeforest | smootar or anyone who knows, what's the address for the overflow chapel for the conference? |
| 21:41.23 | tccastaldo | tdeforest, it's not like we have an app for that. ;) |
| 21:41.36 | smootar | maps.lds.org |
| 21:41.39 | smootar | :) |
| 21:42.28 | smootar | 4080 West 12600 South, Riverton Utah |
| 21:42.33 | tdeforest | maps.lds.org won't tell which chapel is being used for overflow |
| 21:43.39 | tccastaldo | True. |
| 21:43.50 | tccastaldo | But it's the one smootar mentioned. |
| 21:44.30 | tdeforest | thx smootar |
| 21:44.54 | tdeforest | ~lart smootar and tccastaldo |
| 21:44.54 | infobot | pushes the wall down onto smootar and tccastaldo whilst whistling innocently |
| 21:45.07 | smootar | on the phone :) |
| 21:45.12 | smootar | But feel the nudge |
| 21:45.19 | tccastaldo | Ow. |
| 21:49.52 | tdeforest | that was kind of severe. i would've preferred ~noogie |
| 21:50.03 | tdeforest | ~noogie tccastaldo |
| 21:50.03 | infobot | ACTION puts tccastaldo into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of tccastaldo's hair off! |
| 21:50.22 | tdeforest | lol. didn't realize that would work! |
| 21:50.28 | tccastaldo | Ouch! |
| 21:50.46 | tdeforest | also severe |
| 21:50.54 | tdeforest | let's try one more |
| 21:51.04 | tccastaldo | ducks |
| 21:51.16 | tdeforest | ~punch-lightly-on-the-shoulder tccastaldo |
| 21:51.26 | tdeforest | shrugs |
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| 22:06.25 | tccastaldo | ~lovepunch tdeforest |
| 22:06.25 | infobot | ACTION punches tdeforest lightly on the arm in a friendly manner |
| 22:17.40 | scgallafent | Rough crowd in here today. |
| 22:19.51 | tccastaldo | smiles at scgallafent despite his black eye and missing hair |
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| 22:38.46 | scgallafent | smootar: Saw your email. If you're bored, give me a call and we can talk through the issue. |
| 22:41.50 | smootar | scgallafent, thanks. Probably at a later time. |
| 22:50.11 | josephscott | doubts smootar has enough free time to get bored |
| 23:08.06 | TimRiker | getting ready to push a scheduler release to production. merged submitpaper and editpaper in to paper |
| 23:08.20 | TimRiker | looking at attachments, but not yet fixed them. |
| 23:08.36 | TimRiker | will start enforcing paper submission date. will fix paper edits. |
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