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| 15:06.43 | tcmobile | TimRiker, are you actualy there? |
| 15:19.55 | tcmobile | s/actualy/actually/ |
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| 15:59.02 | TimRiker | sees no smootar, and tccastaldo is likely working form home today. |
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| 16:00.23 | smootar | ************************************************ |
| 16:00.23 | smootar | ***** Begin - LDSTech Meeting - 20 FEB 2012 **** |
| 16:00.23 | smootar | ************************************************ |
| 16:00.28 | smootar | Who is all here this morning? |
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| 16:00.32 | TimRiker | :) moin |
| 16:00.37 | tdeforest | howdy |
| 16:00.42 | tccastaldo | I am! |
| 16:01.14 | smootar | TimRiker, do you want to start this morning? (note I'm working from home today) |
| 16:01.38 | TimRiker | heh. I noticed. so is tccastaldo. /me shows lonely puppy dog eyes |
| 16:01.48 | tccastaldo | :( |
| 16:02.01 | TimRiker | good weekend. still getting some folks unable to upload papers to the scheduler. |
| 16:02.12 | tccastaldo | ? |
| 16:02.12 | TimRiker | not sure what the issue is. unable to reproduce it. |
| 16:02.23 | smootar | :( |
| 16:02.26 | tccastaldo | >:( |
| 16:02.45 | TimRiker | pushed out an ldstech release last week, and a number of improvements. |
| 16:03.02 | smootar | That was very good. |
| 16:03.08 | TimRiker | planning to try getting coda 1.1 deployed someplace today. hoping dlhace shows up. |
| 16:03.11 | smootar | :) |
| 16:03.48 | TimRiker | that's about it. family issues continue to eat up my non-work time. |
| 16:04.08 | smootar | Not fun. |
| 16:04.19 | tdeforest | :( |
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| 16:04.33 | TimRiker | went to the new natural history museum up by the U saturday. that was fun. |
| 16:04.58 | tccastaldo | :) |
| 16:05.00 | TimRiker | keri and the kids are planning to hit the planetarium today. |
| 16:05.34 | TimRiker | that's all. who's next? |
| 16:05.42 | smootar | scgallafent, ? |
| 16:06.09 | scgallafent | I spent some time working on post-deployment items for GGroups. |
| 16:06.26 | scgallafent | The Local Unit Apps beta group has been recreated as an announce-only group. |
| 16:06.37 | scgallafent | I'll resync the BSIR group with Joomla today. |
| 16:06.50 | scgallafent | Then I've got to pick a batch of items to work on. |
| 16:07.01 | scgallafent | I've got the RecProp DSA marked up (on paper) sitting on my desk. |
| 16:07.13 | scgallafent | I need to transfer those notes to an electronic copy and get that process moving again. |
| 16:07.18 | scgallafent | That will probably be my first item. |
| 16:07.42 | TimRiker | scgallafent, did you get a chance to look into the admin page for talentpool and add gg info there? |
| 16:07.57 | scgallafent | I started looking at it. I haven't made the changes to it yet. |
| 16:08.03 | TimRiker | k |
| 16:08.07 | smootar | Is Larry helping with the DSA? scgallafent |
| 16:08.08 | TimRiker | holler if I can help |
| 16:08.28 | scgallafent | I've got to sort out the best way to sync groups. Creating the LUApps group took 13 minutes. |
| 16:08.35 | scgallafent | smootar: Yes on Larry and the DSA. |
| 16:08.54 | smootar | OK, I was hoping he didn't just hand it to you. |
| 16:09.16 | scgallafent | No. But I understand best what the app is asking for and why. |
| 16:09.45 | scgallafent | GGroups turns out to be a good example of how a test environment sometimes doesn't replicate the real world correctly. |
| 16:09.46 | smootar | :) |
| 16:10.01 | scgallafent | I never did any testing with groups of 500+. Turns out that is a lot of slow API calls! |
| 16:10.23 | smootar | downer |
| 16:10.40 | scgallafent | We'll work around it. It's not a process that will need to run very often. |
| 16:10.48 | smootar | :) |
| 16:10.53 | scgallafent | We may end up with a cron job to manage it. |
| 16:10.56 | TimRiker | nods. we could/should be using our staging environment for that, but it's still not externally accessible |
| 16:11.37 | scgallafent | That covers me. |
| 16:11.43 | smootar | thanks scgallafent |
| 16:11.56 | smootar | tdeforest, ? |
| 16:12.13 | tdeforest | Debugged joomla banner/sidebar issue a bit. Seems the itemid plays an important role in display/layout. Here is some joomla documentation on search engine friendly urls and how to make them work - http://docs.joomla.org/Supporting_SEF_URLs_in_your_component. This method might allow us to make pretty urls and take control of our layout issues. |
| 16:12.25 | tdeforest | The table tents need to be printed and dispersed. |
| 16:12.26 | tdeforest | Conference signage has been approved by correlation. Proposed printing schedule to Eunie. |
| 16:12.31 | TimRiker | oh... statsvn still looks broken. I still have no access to fix it. |
| 16:12.54 | tdeforest | I'll be working through March 2nd. The week after that (mar 5-9) will be spent preparing to move. We will depart Maine on March 12th. I'll be on the road for 4-5 days (mar 12-16). My availability will vary during that time. I will have my verizon card |
| 16:13.06 | tccastaldo | Yay, signage! |
| 16:13.09 | smootar | TimRiker, statsvn looked like it was working. I added it to my report. |
| 16:13.24 | smootar | TimRiker, the info must be wrong. |
| 16:13.25 | TimRiker | smootar, I only see 20 projects? |
| 16:13.38 | smootar | That may be accurate for 2012. |
| 16:13.46 | smootar | But I haven't done anything to confirm. |
| 16:13.49 | TimRiker | hmm. perhaps. |
| 16:14.18 | smootar | tdeforest, moving doesn't sound fun. |
| 16:14.33 | scgallafent | Moving is never "fun." |
| 16:14.34 | smootar | But it will be fun to have you around here tdeforest |
| 16:14.38 | tdeforest | :) |
| 16:14.49 | tdeforest | i'm dreading the move but looking forward to being there |
| 16:14.57 | smootar | tdeforest, did you confirmation on printing yet? |
| 16:15.06 | tdeforest | no |
| 16:15.09 | smootar | s/did you/did you get/ |
| 16:15.26 | smootar | ok |
| 16:15.36 | smootar | tccastaldo, ? |
| 16:15.46 | TimRiker | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:15.51 | tccastaldo | Hi there. |
| 16:15.54 | tdeforest | smootar: did you see the pin related emails from pehrson? |
| 16:16.11 | tccastaldo | prepares to paste... |
| 16:16.23 | smootar | not yet tdeforest, will go look after this meeting. |
| 16:16.45 | smootar | Waiting for the paste. |
| 16:16.53 | tccastaldo | I've been trying to figure out how to fix Scheduler so it actually shows the days you're registered for. |
| 16:17.16 | tccastaldo | Paste is tricker on my phone. |
| 16:17.32 | smootar | Phone is hard to type on. |
| 16:17.38 | smootar | Not very speedy. |
| 16:18.12 | tccastaldo | Anyway, Tom Johnson received an e-mail related to that bug, which is why I'm spending time on it. |
| 16:18.27 | smootar | nods |
| 16:18.28 | tccastaldo | Any word yet from EPIS? |
| 16:18.54 | smootar | tccastaldo, not to me. TimRiker ? |
| 16:20.30 | smootar | Anything else tccastaldo ? |
| 16:20.45 | tccastaldo | Anyway, that's the latest from me. If anyone needs me for anything else, please let me know. |
| 16:20.56 | smootar | TimRiker, must be fixing something. :) |
| 16:21.03 | smootar | Thx tccastaldo |
| 16:21.12 | tccastaldo | Mp |
| 16:21.27 | tdeforest | Mp = mo problem |
| 16:21.32 | smootar | :) |
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| 16:22.02 | tccastaldo | s/Mp/My pleasure/ |
| 16:22.12 | TimRiker | no epis response here. |
| 16:22.19 | smootar | OK. |
| 16:22.33 | tccastaldo | ;) |
| 16:22.35 | TimRiker | was talking to stephan. apparently they are having svnrm issues now. |
| 16:22.47 | tdeforest | tccastaldo: :) |
| 16:22.58 | smootar | I'm working on funding issues still for contracts from PK to be signed. |
| 16:23.08 | smootar | Chetan has been helping on this. |
| 16:23.40 | smootar | I'm wondering if enough people are around today to get this request through. |
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| 16:23.56 | smootar | I am going to chase that today and provide information to move that forward. |
| 16:24.12 | smootar | Funeral went will on Friday. |
| 16:24.58 | smootar | I was planning on our Team Building event on Wednesday and things aren't working out. I'm looking for another date that might work. |
| 16:25.10 | smootar | I will let everyone know on that, but Wednesday isn't working out. |
| 16:25.18 | smootar | For multiple reasons. |
| 16:25.43 | tccastaldo | K |
| 16:25.45 | TimRiker | scgallafent, did we get an icp gg setup? what do I need to do to get that setup? |
| 16:25.53 | scgallafent | Just ask. :) |
| 16:26.04 | TimRiker | I'd rather learn to fish. :) |
| 16:26.07 | smootar | Have some things that I have been churning on some ideas for community. |
| 16:26.18 | smootar | When I get them baked a little more, I would like to share them with the group. |
| 16:26.20 | scgallafent | Actually, you can create the group yourself in Joomla. I'll need to sync the initial membership list. |
| 16:26.29 | TimRiker | ok, I'll try that. |
| 16:26.51 | smootar | I woke up Friday with some things churning that I think will help us in our role as an ICS Service. |
| 16:27.09 | smootar | moin BroSki, do you have anything? |
| 16:27.09 | scgallafent | is excited to hear these ideas |
| 16:27.46 | BroSki | Nope, I sent you the legacy of service but could not flip the text yet |
| 16:28.11 | TimRiker | scgallafent, should commits lists work? assuming I can get a trigger in place? how does the list know who the "from" would be? |
| 16:28.13 | smootar | OK, maybe tdeforest can help with this. |
| 16:28.38 | tdeforest | i can do that |
| 16:28.42 | smootar | :) |
| 16:28.58 | smootar | OK, anything else for this meeting? |
| 16:29.03 | smootar | Did I miss anyone? |
| 16:29.08 | BroSki | K I will send it |
| 16:29.28 | tdeforest | k |
| 16:29.34 | smootar | Thanks all. |
| 16:29.35 | smootar | ************************************************ |
| 16:29.35 | smootar | ***** End - LDSTech Meeting - 20 FEB 2012 ****** |
| 16:29.35 | smootar | ************************************************ |
| 16:29.46 | smootar | Happy President's Day! |
| 16:30.05 | scgallafent | TimRiker: We need to get a commit hook in place. Right now I assume that the commit email comes from whatever the primary address is in Joomla. We willl need to add a config item if we want to change the "from" address. |
| 16:30.31 | scgallafent | Do we have svnnotify on the svn server? |
| 16:30.46 | josephscott | scgallafent / smootar : random camping question, did the lds.org design team ever grant access to their template service? |
| 16:31.11 | BroSki | just sent it |
| 16:31.20 | TimRiker | scgallafent, no. and I have no access to get it added. but I'll open a request with sds@ldschurch.org and see what they can do. |
| 16:31.28 | scgallafent | josephscott: No. Last we heard, the needed to get some documentation for us. |
| 16:31.55 | josephscott | we should just add it to the data sharing agreement ;-) |
| 16:31.56 | scgallafent | josephscott has some instructions that are a good starting point: http://josephscott.org/archives/2010/01/setting-up-svnsync-and-svn-notify/ |
| 16:32.20 | TimRiker | scgallafent, how do I "sync the initial membership list" ? |
| 16:32.21 | scgallafent | josephscott has a high threshold for pain. |
| 16:32.34 | scgallafent | TimRiker: I can email you some code. |
| 16:32.40 | scgallafent | It's pretty low-tech right now. |
| 16:32.44 | TimRiker | k |
| 16:32.56 | scgallafent | rummages for code |
| 16:34.28 | TimRiker | tries to add groups to icp... |
| 16:36.32 | tdeforest | BroSki: got it |
| 16:36.32 | scgallafent | TimRiker: Discussion group? |
| 16:36.46 | TimRiker | added all three |
| 16:37.03 | TimRiker | https://tech.lds.org/?option=com_talentpool&controller=projects&view=project&Projectid=87 |
| 16:37.49 | scgallafent | OK. |
| 16:37.49 | TimRiker | tdeforest, think the SEO stull could make that shorter? |
| 16:38.13 | scgallafent | Even if we could get it down to https://tech.lds.org/talentpool/projects/project/87 |
| 16:38.50 | TimRiker | scgallafent, can we make the gg groups browseable? I don't see any way to get a list of groups on the web. |
| 16:39.11 | scgallafent | When I talked with smootar we decided to not show them in the web list. |
| 16:39.44 | smootar | josephscott, I don't think it was ever provided. |
| 16:40.06 | smootar | josephscott, I can follow-up with Stewart again. |
| 16:40.12 | TimRiker | I'd prefer to show them, but not allow browsing contents till you join the project. |
| 16:40.22 | josephscott | yeah, figured that was the case, was thinking about it again this morning and wondering if it ever went any where |
| 16:41.35 | scgallafent | TimRiker, that's something to bounce off smootar. |
| 16:41.39 | tdeforest | TimRiker: scgallafent's url looks about as short as we could get |
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| 16:42.40 | TimRiker | I think we have an alias for talentpool already as projects but without the apache htaccess in place it shows as index.php/projects instead of just /projects |
| 16:43.18 | TimRiker | If we re-work files into the same "controller", it might be possible to eliminate one more level there too. |
| 16:46.42 | TimRiker | cheers for someone here working on getting the door to close again. |
| 16:47.22 | tdeforest | the joomla method doesn't mention .htaccess. does it write .htaccess rules? |
| 16:47.46 | TimRiker | there is a joomla .htaccess method that hides the index.php |
| 16:47.51 | TimRiker | see htaccess.txt |
| 16:51.42 | tdeforest | gotcha. |
| 16:54.50 | TimRiker | scgallafent, so once I've added the lists, if I leave and re-join the project should I get added to the groups? |
| 16:54.58 | scgallafent | Yes. |
| 16:55.06 | scgallafent | I'm just finishing an email with instruction to sync the membership list. |
| 16:55.07 | TimRiker | tries... |
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| 16:56.50 | TimRiker | sure enough. :) |
| 16:57.32 | TimRiker | smootar, I think all the groups should show up on https://groups.google.com/a/tech.lds.org/ |
| 16:57.47 | TimRiker | smootar, it would be nice if this were true only for public projects. |
| 16:57.57 | scgallafent | TimRiker: You've got mail. |
| 16:58.04 | TimRiker | also, I think the members list should be visible to any group member. |
| 16:58.20 | TimRiker | as it's visible in joomla already. |
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| 17:02.02 | smootar | TimRiker, are you suggesting that all public groups would be viewable by all? Or only groups that they belong to? |
| 17:04.51 | scgallafent | TimRiker: What are the benefits of those changes? |
| 17:10.12 | TimRiker | smootar, that the groups be visible, yes. no the archives, just the names of the groups. |
| 17:10.49 | TimRiker | scgallafent, just greater visibility. anyone on the list can help debug. "hmm, nope, you're not on the member list" |
| 17:17.56 | TimRiker | checks in the setup-group code |
| 17:26.23 | smootar | TimRiker, I think that would be fine as long as it doesn't reveal personal information to those that haven't signed our ICLA. |
| 17:26.41 | scgallafent | The setup-group code wasn't intended to be permanent. |
| 17:27.21 | TimRiker | agreed. group existence should be visible, member list should only be visible to list members. ie: those that have signed the ICLA and joined the group. |
| 17:27.42 | TimRiker | scgallafent, understood. nothing is permanent. it's just what we have to work with at the moment. :) |
| 17:27.56 | scgallafent | smootar: You and I talked about whether to make the group list publicly visible and decided not to. Do we want to change that? |
| 17:28.55 | TimRiker | scgallafent, note: I get 'email', not 'Email' exported from phpmyadmin. |
| 17:29.15 | scgallafent | Did I not change that in the code? |
| 17:29.27 | scgallafent | Nope. I didn't. |
| 17:29.59 | smootar | Is it just the group names that are visible and not the membership of the groups? |
| 17:30.12 | scgallafent | Group names would be publicly visible. Membership, no. |
| 17:30.13 | smootar | I want to help with debugging, but we can't reveal personal information to the public. |
| 17:30.42 | scgallafent | TimRiker: Fixing the code. Caveat: It's not production code. |
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| 17:30.59 | TimRiker | np, just an fyi. |
| 17:31.01 | smootar | TimRiker, does that group list help when you don't see membership? |
| 17:31.20 | TimRiker | yes. it's another place to find out what projects are available. |
| 17:31.58 | smootar | Would we provide a link to show where to join the project? Can that page be updated? |
| 17:32.02 | scgallafent | The flip side of that is that it exposes all project / group names publicly. We expose a lot of that in the wiki, so it's not like it isn't available other ways, though. |
| 17:32.20 | TimRiker | scgallafent, again, I'd only set this for _public_ projects. |
| 17:32.22 | scgallafent | The group list isn't something we can update. |
| 17:32.41 | smootar | Can the page provide a link to tech.lds.org? |
| 17:32.48 | TimRiker | scgallafent, why can't we update the group list? |
| 17:32.56 | scgallafent | It's just a list. |
| 17:33.20 | smootar | Would it create confusion to people to have a list without guidance on how to join the project? |
| 17:33.28 | scgallafent | Let me see if I can configure a page as an example. |
| 17:34.20 | TimRiker | smootar, perhaps. but if they go looking for all lists on tech.lds.org I would think they would expect to see all lists for tech.lds.org, no? |
| 17:34.44 | smootar | If each group had a link back to the project to join, that would be even better. Not sure if that can be done. |
| 17:34.57 | smootar | TimRiker, that is probably true. |
| 17:35.08 | TimRiker | agreed. but even without the link, I think more info is better. |
| 17:35.45 | smootar | Does it create confusion to have the list and not know where to go to join the project? |
| 17:36.21 | TimRiker | perhaps. but again, I think there's already confusion as to what lists/projects are available. |
| 17:36.51 | TimRiker | it would be ideal to have a link to join the project. but even without the link, I'd like to make public projects as visible as we can. |
| 17:36.52 | scgallafent | One concern is whether it encourages people to bypass Joomla and start maintaining the group membership inside Google Groups. |
| 17:37.57 | smootar | I really do want them to go to Joomla to manage the projects and not bypass that step. We have that problem today with Forums being used for testing. |
| 17:38.09 | TimRiker | agreed. but again, I'd rather be too open than too restrictive. |
| 17:39.17 | scgallafent | One of my programming mantras: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkWeMvrNiOM |
| 17:40.14 | scgallafent | I've got some groups updated on cdev to show in the directory. It takes some time for the directory to update, though. |
| 17:40.30 | smootar | L"ife finds a way" |
| 17:40.36 | smootar | "Life finds a way" |
| 17:40.54 | smootar | ;) |
| 17:41.30 | smootar | scgallafent, how much work is it to make public groups viewable in GG's? |
| 17:41.43 | scgallafent | Translation in this case: The more you expose the group interface, the more likely someone will identify that as the easiest way to solve their immediate problem without considering the consequences of bypassing the proper procedure. |
| 17:41.47 | tccastaldo | 's computer seems to be groggy on this Monday morning |
| 17:41.52 | scgallafent | It's controlled by a setting for each group. |
| 17:42.22 | scgallafent | It does add some additional complexity to the code since that setting will need to set appropriately depending on the type of project and adjusted when the project status changes. |
| 17:44.07 | TimRiker | I agree this is an issue. I'd like to see us build a tool that will check all list members against the ICLA list and display discrepancies. |
| 17:44.20 | scgallafent | I'm working on that now. That's what will eventually replace setup-group. |
| 17:44.28 | TimRiker | nods |
| 17:44.45 | scgallafent | But then we get bug reports because a project manager bypasses Joomla and adds members to his group using the GGroups interface. |
| 17:44.52 | TimRiker | hopefully this will handle both cases. user in group, but not on list. user on list but not in group. |
| 17:45.01 | scgallafent | Those members stop getting email (because we remove them from the group), so he adds them back. |
| 17:45.10 | scgallafent | Finally he complains that people he is adding to his project keep disappearing. |
| 17:45.23 | scgallafent | We look at Joomla and can't find any indication that they were even members of the project. |
| 17:45.31 | TimRiker | ok, so we need to make it as easy for the manager to use the correct tool as we can. |
| 17:45.40 | scgallafent | "Life finds a way" |
| 17:46.12 | scgallafent | I guess from the ICLA point of view, group owners have the capability of bypassing the ICLA and adding members to the group even if they have not signed the ICLA. |
| 17:46.30 | TimRiker | nods |
| 17:46.39 | smootar | that is a scenario I want to avoid. |
| 17:46.54 | scgallafent | It's pretty easy for a project manager to use the correct tool. All he has to do is ... nothing. :) |
| 17:47.17 | scgallafent | We don't have a way to prevent that scenario for announce-only groups. |
| 17:47.42 | scgallafent | We can prevent it for discussion groups by not making anyone a group owner. Then all changes to group membership have to be made through Joomla. |
| 17:48.35 | TimRiker | the more restrictive we make it, the more likely it will be that groups will create their own mailing lists that we have no access to. |
| 17:48.52 | scgallafent | "Life finds a way" :) |
| 17:48.58 | TimRiker | exactly |
| 17:49.32 | scgallafent | I've got some groups on cdev set to be shown in the directory. I read at one point that it takes a few hours for the visibility to change. |
| 17:51.12 | TimRiker | k |
| 17:53.29 | TimRiker | trivial opinion: I think " group" in the group name is redundant. |
| 17:58.50 | scgallafent | Possibly, but it sounds more complete |
| 17:59.17 | TimRiker | nods |
| 17:59.45 | TimRiker | have you had any luck in moving archives? the gl groups are asking if/when they can move to managed groups. |
| 18:02.00 | scgallafent | As far as I've been able to determine, there is no import facility. The only solution I've seen is to remail every message to the group. (Probably before users are added!) |
| 18:03.37 | TimRiker | hmm. k |
| 18:16.21 | TimRiker | scgallafent, hmm... we have members that are "non-verified" and therefore unable to post to the gg. any idea what they need to do to get "verified" ? |
| 18:16.37 | scgallafent | I'll need to go look. Examples? |
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| 18:18.40 | TimRiker | scgallafent, do members get auto-set to web-only on commits lists? do we have an interface to that? |
| 18:19.38 | scgallafent | No. They get set to receive the email. Web only for the commits list doesn't make a huge amount of sense, since the idea is to push a notification of code changes. Web-only commits is called wsvn. |
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| 18:53.10 | TimRiker | scgallafent, the "topics" portion of the urls on the project page could get removed. make that a touch shorter. |
| 18:53.43 | TimRiker | ie https://groups.google.com/a/tech.lds.org/group/icp instead of https://groups.google.com/a/tech.lds.org/group/icp/topics |
| 18:54.31 | scgallafent | It depends on whether you want them to land on the main group page or the discussion page. |
| 18:54.32 | TimRiker | scgallafent, my issue is that we will likely have many developers/testers/etc that are NOT interested in commits traffic. |
| 18:54.36 | scgallafent | Which makes more sense? |
| 18:55.05 | TimRiker | the short version just forwards to the longer version. same thing, just shorter. |
| 18:55.30 | scgallafent | That's probably the case. So do we add everyone as web only (if we can) or just not add them to the group? (If we don't add them to the group, how do we decide who gets added?) |
| 18:56.02 | TimRiker | I'd add them all with web-only and then tell people they can change it themselves. |
| 18:58.41 | scgallafent | So how does a new developer know that's an option for a project? |
| 18:58.56 | scgallafent | had practice playing devil's advocate yesterday :) |
| 18:58.57 | TimRiker | Someone™ tells him/her |
| 18:59.14 | TimRiker | The welcome packet should include this information. |
| 18:59.37 | scgallafent | There's that pesky Someone™ again. |
| 19:00.16 | scgallafent | The whole commits thing is difficult. I find them particularly valuable. Most people don't. |
| 19:00.32 | TimRiker | tries to invite Someone™ to the channel and gets: * Someone™ :No such nick/channel |
| 19:00.36 | scgallafent | The guy I'm worried about losing is the one who would find them valuable and doesn't know they exist. |
| 19:01.04 | TimRiker | agreed. I'm more worried about annoying those that don't find it valuable. |
| 19:01.55 | TimRiker | sends out a welcome message to icp@tech.lds.org |
| 19:02.07 | tccastaldo | lart Someone |
| 19:02.13 | tccastaldo | ~lart Someone |
| 19:02.13 | infobot | blasts Someone to oblivion with a kamehameha wave |
| 19:02.32 | TimRiker | hehe. infobot still has some unresolved utf8 issues |
| 19:02.40 | scgallafent | Perhaps infobot understands the problem better than we think. |
| 19:02.49 | TimRiker | lol |
| 19:03.25 | coderjeff | TimRiker: just received the welcome to ICP email ok |
| 19:03.49 | TimRiker | :) |
| 19:05.07 | scgallafent | Link shortened |
| 19:05.12 | TimRiker | :) |
| 19:13.50 | TimRiker | adds groups to the sample project on cdev |
| 19:14.25 | TimRiker | wonders if jira should be setup to email commits too |
| 19:16.55 | TimRiker | scgallafent, do managers get/loose list manager access when they change roles in joomla? |
| 19:20.11 | scgallafent | TimRiker: Originally they didn't. I'm not sure if that has been changed. |
| 19:20.25 | TimRiker | k |
| 19:20.49 | scgallafent | Jira already has an email function, but I'm not sure how it chooses who to send to. |
| 19:21.03 | scgallafent | Would those go to commits or discuss/announce? |
| 19:21.13 | TimRiker | "watchers", submitters, assignees. |
| 19:21.25 | TimRiker | dunno. but someplace would be good. :) |
| 19:22.03 | TimRiker | I'm thinking they are similar to commit traffic. same types of folks likely to be interested. |
| 19:23.34 | scgallafent | Commits is probably the most likely list. They should probably go to the current plus the commits list if it exists. That means some people will get duplicates. |
| 19:23.36 | TimRiker | huh? cdev joomla shows as down? |
| 19:24.20 | TimRiker | scgallafent, which is ok if commits is web only by default, but annoying when one changes commits to email delivery. :/ |
| 19:24.51 | scgallafent | Hence the problem. Commits without email delivery is wsvn. |
| 19:26.17 | TimRiker | and now cdev is back. hmmm |
| 19:26.54 | TimRiker | scgallafent, yeah, I hear ya. at least with a web-only you have an option to turn it on and off yourself. |
| 19:27.31 | scgallafent | If we're going to require people to turn it on, I'd rather manage membership from Joomla so that they can manage everything from one place. |
| 19:27.53 | TimRiker | ok. it means managing multiple lists for multiple projects. |
| 19:29.06 | TimRiker | but a project/subscriptions page with a list of all the lists you could be on, your current state, and options to change, would be a Good Thing. |
| 19:29.09 | scgallafent | Yes. But I'd rather make it visible in Joomla than require that they "discover" it's available and have to go to the Groups web site to turn it on. |
| 19:29.32 | TimRiker | if we had that, then I'd not auto-add to commits, but allow them to pick it on the subscriptions page. |
| 19:29.59 | TimRiker | yes, I mean a subscriptions page in joomla. |
| 19:30.22 | TimRiker | skills, profile, subscriptions or similar. |
| 19:38.51 | TimRiker | scgallafent, ok if I remove the " group" from the end of each group? |
| 19:39.25 | scgallafent | Sure. I prefer it (sounds more complete), but I'm not attached to it. If you feel strongly, take it out. |
| 19:39.50 | TimRiker | just trying to avoid ever referring to the "sample discussion group" group. |
| 19:39.59 | TimRiker | :) |
| 19:40.06 | cognifloyd | I'm butting in the conversation... What's "icp"? |
| 19:40.17 | TimRiker | inner city project. |
| 19:40.53 | cognifloyd | It sounds like we're automating the creation of google groups for projects? way cool! |
| 19:41.30 | TimRiker | http://innercityproject.org/ eventually icp.lds.org joomla: https://tech.lds.org/?option=com_talentpool&view=project&Projectid=87 |
| 19:41.40 | cognifloyd | points out to TimRiker, that he's been "born again" with a new name... er username that is. |
| 19:42.01 | TimRiker | cognifloyd, yes indeed. scgallafent has done the bulk of the work here. I'm just the peanut gallery. |
| 19:42.15 | TimRiker | noticed. |
| 19:43.21 | cognifloyd | some of the private projectst in svn have not noticed. I don't have access to svnrm nor to projects like checkin. |
| 19:43.31 | cognifloyd | but back to what you were talking about icp looks sweet. |
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| 19:44.25 | TimRiker | cognifloyd, I thought I re-synced you... perhaps not in svnrm. that's still manual unfortunately. |
| 19:45.06 | cognifloyd | Yah. Most things are working now. Just a few stragglers like svnrm and the forum. |
| 19:47.05 | cognifloyd | How did you get the domain folks to agree to a non-lds.org domain? innercityproject.org |
| 19:47.20 | cognifloyd | (you or whoever) |
| 19:54.14 | TimRiker | innercityproject.org is hosted externally and without approval as far as I know. icp will be hosted internally and integrated with single sign on. |
| 19:55.47 | cognifloyd | Yah. mormonchannel.org is having a multitude of issues reimplementing the sso... They really should make it work multi-domain. Do something smart - like use open source. |
| 19:55.51 | cognifloyd | is just a tad biased |
| 19:56.25 | cognifloyd | Make wam/sso work across domains that is |
| 19:58.35 | TimRiker | waves the openid flag yet again |
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| 20:35.23 | TimRiker | cognifloyd, we'd be happy to host a sample openid implementation and test against coda people. |
| 20:37.46 | cognifloyd | Yah. I've got a lot of ideas up my sleeve... When I'm ready to show my cards I'll get in touch. |
| 20:37.58 | TimRiker | :) |
| 20:37.59 | cognifloyd | Against CODA? What happened to FORG? |
| 20:38.28 | cognifloyd | I thought we were supposed to be free of the coda nightmare by now. |
| 20:44.12 | cognifloyd | unless FORG is worse... ? |
| 20:46.46 | scgallafent | FORG? CODA forever! |
| 20:48.17 | cognifloyd | laughs |
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| 20:50.23 | TimRiker | FORG is not yet. CODA lives on. sorta |
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| 20:53.34 | josephscott | lights a candle in memory of what could have been FORGe |
| 20:53.53 | cognifloyd | joins the vigil |
| 20:53.55 | tccastaldo | wonders (again) whether Scheduler's code was deliberately obfuscated |
| 20:54.18 | TimRiker | heh. it still may be reborn, but it's covered in so much red tape, it's tough to tell. |
| 20:55.01 | cognifloyd | I've been out of the loop - what's the story? Who's put up the tape? |
| 20:57.09 | cognifloyd | (if you can say, that is... I don't want any ninjas to kill you in your sleep) |
| 20:57.14 | cognifloyd | ;) |
| 20:57.45 | TimRiker | tape? |
| 20:58.04 | TimRiker | oh, red tape... |
| 20:58.23 | TimRiker | department / team internal issues. |
| 20:58.54 | TimRiker | our so-called data stewards don't seem to be concerned that all our test systems use live data. |
| 20:59.18 | TimRiker | well, cdev does not. but we're the only one. |
| 21:01.24 | cognifloyd | lol - Well their position doesn't make sense to me either. Long live the live data... or something like that. |
| 21:02.38 | TimRiker | going to try getting a coda 1.1 auto-build running so folks can actually work on it and test it. |
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| 21:20.59 | TimRiker | scgallafent, what email address should the commit messages come from? groupsadmin@tech.lds.org? ldstech@ldschurch.org? some other? |
| 21:21.13 | scgallafent | ldstech@ldschurch.org |
| 21:21.25 | TimRiker | ok |
| 21:22.08 | scgallafent | It uses the JConfig mailfrom address. |
| 21:22.43 | TimRiker | yeah, opening a ticket to get the svn hooks in place. |
| 21:23.24 | josephscott | what happens if someone replies to a commit email? |
| 21:23.52 | scgallafent | It gets blocked. They don't have right to post to the group. |
| 21:23.59 | scgallafent | s/right/rights/ |
| 21:24.48 | TimRiker | that's if they reply-to-list. what if they just reply? |
| 21:25.40 | TimRiker | would be nice, but probably too much to ask, to get the from set to the committer. |
| 21:26.02 | TimRiker | make "hey! what are you thinking?!?" emails easier. |
| 21:26.53 | scgallafent | If they just reply, they will go to ldstech@ldschurch.org. |
| 21:27.13 | TimRiker | which smootar won't appreciate. :/ |
| 21:31.39 | josephscott | having them from the project dev list would be nice, that way replies would go to all devs on the project |
| 21:31.51 | josephscott | makes it easier on quoting and such |
| 21:32.35 | TimRiker | that sounds reasonable. we don't currently add ics@tech.lds.org to ics-commits@tech.lds.org though. |
| 21:32.59 | TimRiker | scgallafent, if it's from ldstech@ but replyto is <group>@tech will that get in? |
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| 21:33.33 | scgallafent | I would think so, but we'd have to test it. |
| 21:34.04 | TimRiker | nods. setting up an svn repository for the Sample project on cdev now to test some of this. |
| 21:34.21 | josephscott | reply-to should be sufficient |
| 21:34.49 | josephscott | so I think the best setup is if the From was person who made the commit and the reply-to was the dev list |
| 21:35.19 | TimRiker | the svn server does not know the email addresses of the committer |
| 21:37.37 | josephscott | just saying that would be the ideal imho :-) |
| 21:39.04 | TimRiker | I can't figure out how we get the svn server to know the "right" email address of a committer. still thinking that one through. |
| 21:41.06 | TimRiker | we could setup a user-<username>@tech.lds.org handler that remails everyone. we can call it the "yet-another-spam-hole" remailer. |
| 21:43.53 | josephscott | :-) |
| 21:44.46 | cognifloyd | Restrict the server so that it will only accept send emails originating from localhost. |
| 21:44.59 | cognifloyd | s/accept// |
| 21:45.02 | TimRiker | finds yet another server with all of X installed and no console access anyway. |
| 21:45.16 | cognifloyd | lol - any luck getting away from SLES? |
| 21:45.46 | TimRiker | cognifloyd, could work. restrict to internal network, but even that's tough, as even external looks like internal once it's there. |
| 21:46.05 | TimRiker | cognifloyd, not much progress on moving to rhel 6.3 |
| 21:46.19 | cognifloyd | sad |
| 21:46.35 | TimRiker | yea. there are worse things in life |
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| 21:50.39 | tccastaldo | nods |
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| 23:07.10 | TimRiker | got a favorite commit mailer script? |
| 23:07.34 | TimRiker | https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/subversion/trunk/tools/hook-scripts/mailer/mailer.py ? |
| 23:12.18 | scgallafent | I've only used svn-notify, but was happy with it. |
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| 23:30.54 | TimRiker | argh... ugly sles.. server has home-built subversion. mailer won't run |
| 23:42.43 | TimRiker | ok, I might have a commits script that works, but alas, our svn server can't send email. |