| 00:00.43 | tccastaldo | Good night! Gotta catch the bus. |
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| 00:22.43 | TimRiker | https://tech.lds.org/conf/ is mostly working. you need to wam login before hitting the link. |
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| 15:20.12 | tdeforest | moin all |
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| 15:51.30 | tdeforest | stream just started for me |
| 15:51.54 | tdeforest | i can see a guy on a cell phone talking to other folks |
| 15:51.58 | tdeforest | now i see tim |
| 15:52.03 | tdeforest | waves to tim |
| 15:52.57 | tdeforest | i can hear tim talking to the mic |
| 15:54.32 | tdeforest | smootar's looking sharp |
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| 15:56.43 | tdeforest | howdy josephscott |
| 15:56.48 | josephscott | hi |
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| 15:56.59 | tdeforest | you on-site today? |
| 15:57.12 | josephscott | yep, I'm at the Riverton office already |
| 15:57.18 | tccastaldo | Good morning, everyone! |
| 15:58.16 | tdeforest | stream is working well from here. |
| 15:58.48 | tdeforest | if anyone wants to pop on the screen and wave to me, i'll buy you a candy bar next time i see you :) |
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| 15:59.19 | tccastaldo | :) |
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| 16:02.25 | TimRiker | moin |
| 16:02.33 | tdeforest | moin |
| 16:02.55 | tdeforest | good to see you Tim |
| 16:03.18 | TimRiker | conference registration is up. wam login is not quite right, so sign in first and then hit https://tech.lds.org/conf/ |
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| 16:05.15 | TimRiker | holler if anyone manages to get registered. There have been some rather large code changes, so things might be unstable. |
| 16:06.33 | TimRiker | by the way... there are 2 test sites, https://tech.lds.org/conf/ is the real site. https://cint.lds.org/conf/ is the integration test site. https://cdev.lds.org/conf/ is the continuous build site that probably is still not getting autodeployed correctly. |
| 16:06.57 | TimRiker | there is a scheduler project on tech that has subversion and jira links if you find issues. |
| 16:07.19 | TimRiker | woah. that was very yellow. |
| 16:08.36 | tccastaldo | I managed to register. |
| 16:08.54 | tccastaldo | hollers |
| 16:11.34 | TimRiker | makes tyler and tdeforest admins... |
| 16:11.45 | tdeforest | gracias |
| 16:12.23 | TimRiker | yea! 3 registrants. it's a party! |
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| 16:14.39 | TimRiker | http://biblevideos.org/ or http://lds.org/bible-videos/ |
| 16:15.00 | tccastaldo | Salamat po. |
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| 16:15.53 | TimRiker | http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/bible-videos/id475327718 |
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| 16:18.38 | TimRiker | http://lds.org/bible-videos/app |
| 16:19.30 | TimRiker | heh. yet another url... http://biblevideos.lds.org/ |
| 16:21.10 | TimRiker | http://mormonchannel.org/biblevideos |
| 16:21.44 | TimRiker | http://www.youtube.com/mormonmessages#p/c/4A73DDEE675FBC39/0/6yWcxw6YeF8 ok, ok. I'll stop posting urls. =P |
| 16:23.33 | tccastaldo | I sent you an e-mail, TimRiker. Did you get it? |
| 16:29.56 | tccastaldo | The Bible Videos app looks great! |
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| 16:42.09 | TimRiker | any questions from the channel? |
| 16:43.30 | TimRiker | tccastaldo, yes, everyone will currently get an email from SORT. that needs to be fixed still. |
| 16:47.19 | TimRiker | yes yes. spread the word. :) |
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| 16:54.22 | TimRiker | tccastaldo, I think I changed the email from address, logo, etc. if someone else registers, can you send me the email you get? it should not say SORT anywhere. :) |
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| 16:56.43 | tccastaldo | Will do. |
| 16:57.17 | tccastaldo | Oh...if someone ELSE registers. Oops. |
| 17:07.15 | tccastaldo | Only three still? :( |
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| 18:10.43 | tdeforest | howdy coderjeff |
| 18:14.04 | tccastaldo | smootar, TimRiker: We (tccastaldo, JoshBang, and zakzakattack) are all set up now on builds. |
| 18:14.43 | coderjeff | hi Tom |
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| 18:39.12 | josephscott | TimRiker: https://code.lds.org/wsvn/wsvn/recprop/trunk/lib/contrib/ksso.php |
| 18:42.54 | scgallafent | josephscott: We probably need to look at how to consolidate that with the LDSAccount class and get down to one library. |
| 18:48.09 | josephscott | we could do that |
| 18:48.21 | josephscott | the ksso was just focusing on WAM |
| 18:48.41 | josephscott | but I suppose it could do multiple types of auth |
| 18:48.48 | josephscott | probably worth renaming at that point :-) |
| 18:48.54 | scgallafent | It would be nice to end up with the One Class To Rule Them All and be able to switch from WAM to CODA as needed. |
| 18:49.09 | josephscott | totally doable |
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| 18:50.49 | scgallafent | I know we've got the original LDSAccount class in CPAS and that TimRiker and Kathryn modified it for BSIR. We've also got the RecProp version. |
| 18:51.22 | scgallafent | will brb |
| 18:51.24 | josephscott | yep, getting a bit strange there |
| 18:56.41 | scgallafent | is back |
| 19:37.17 | tdeforest | scgallafent: what's the status of gg? |
| 19:37.23 | tdeforest | still waiting for dns changes? |
| 19:44.18 | tdeforest | josephscott: you've been demoted on ICP? |
| 19:44.46 | josephscott | tdeforest: just testing stuff |
| 19:44.55 | tdeforest | ah |
| 20:02.20 | scgallafent | tdeforest: Still waiting for DNS and I've got to talk to smootar about getting the accounts upgraded. Didn't get a chance to bring that up in yesterday's meeting. |
| 20:02.36 | tdeforest | k |
| 20:03.36 | TimRiker | argh.. if you registered for the conference but you didn't get an email, then you're not really registered. do it again. |
| 20:04.49 | TimRiker | scgallafent, wam can use coda. you mean wam to ldap I think. |
| 20:05.01 | scgallafent | Yep. |
| 20:06.46 | TimRiker | tdeforest, testing for the stack trace, so I did some role edits. |
| 20:07.34 | smootar | perks up |
| 20:07.44 | smootar | Chetan is ready to upgrade accounts. |
| 20:13.22 | tdeforest | TimRiker: gotcha |
| 20:14.26 | tccastaldo | Do we want to have a standardized phone number format for scheduler? |
| 20:14.35 | tccastaldo | s/scheduler/conf |
| 20:14.46 | tdeforest | smootar: that's good news |
| 20:18.17 | scgallafent | tccastaldo, TimRiker: I've got some JavaScript code that standardizes phone numbers. |
| 20:18.43 | tccastaldo | Cool. TimRiker, do we want to do that? |
| 20:19.34 | tccastaldo | Among the five people already registered, there are four different formats in use. |
| 20:21.58 | tccastaldo | scgallafent, does it standardize the user's input no matter what they enter? |
| 20:21.59 | smootar | :) |
| 20:22.55 | tccastaldo | What happens if the phone number is invalid? |
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| 21:09.52 | scgallafent | tccastaldo: Sorry. Went upstairs to get food. Yes, it does. |
| 21:10.04 | scgallafent | Let me dig the code out. |
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| 21:15.39 | scgallafent | The code validates a US phone number for correct format (NPANXXXXXX) and optionally reformats it as NPA-NXX-XXXX or (NPA) NXX-XXXX. |
| 21:15.52 | scgallafent | Mmmmm. 35 lines of PHP goodness, including comments. |
| 21:16.21 | scgallafent | I started some JavaScript code to go with it and decided to just let the server side handle it. Probably ought to finish the JS code to go with it. |
| 21:16.37 | tccastaldo | Yummy. |
| 21:16.50 | tccastaldo | Comments! No way! :D |
| 21:18.04 | tccastaldo | Of course, TomRiker entered a toll-free number prefixed with 1. Does it handle that correctly? |
| 21:18.18 | tccastaldo | s/TomRiker/TimRiker |
| 21:18.45 | scgallafent | It would fail on the prefix, but that is easily fixed. |
| 21:19.25 | tccastaldo | Sweet. |
| 21:21.45 | scgallafent | Looks like I also need to modify it to require an area code. |
| 21:22.27 | tccastaldo | scgallafent, I'm trying to take care of some issues in the scheduler's JIRA. I'm looking at LDSTSCH-57 but I can't tell what validation needs to be done. |
| 21:23.22 | tccastaldo | For instance, I would normally check the e-mail address for validation, except that the value for that form is supposed to be auto-filled from the user's LDS Account. |
| 21:24.08 | tccastaldo | I'd force the State/Province to be two letters, except that only the US and Mexico have two-letter state names. |
| 21:25.22 | tccastaldo | I'd ensure the ZIP/Postal code is five digits, or even just numbers and/or dashes, but I know that Canada's postal codes have letters in them. |
| 21:25.42 | scgallafent | Canada is pretty easy to validate. |
| 21:26.04 | tccastaldo | Okay. What about the rest of the world? |
| 21:26.16 | scgallafent | Is smootar around to ask how much validation we want to build into this? |
| 21:26.21 | scgallafent | The rest of the world is ... complicated. |
| 21:26.50 | tccastaldo | smootar retreated to his cubicle, but he might be able to help. |
| 21:27.19 | tccastaldo | TimRiker is in a discussion with people doing another project. |
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| 21:29.46 | scgallafent | It would be nice to know how fancy we should get before running too far down this path. |
| 21:29.56 | smootar | perks up. |
| 21:29.58 | scgallafent | Now I'm thinking I could add a routine to make sure the area code is valid .... |
| 21:30.11 | tccastaldo | I totally agree. I wish there were more of a desciption with the issue. |
| 21:30.22 | scgallafent | Of course I could then check a web service to see if the prefix (NXX) is valid .... |
| 21:30.22 | tccastaldo | LOL |
| 21:30.45 | scgallafent | If you give a mouse a cookie.... |
| 21:30.46 | scgallafent | http://www.amazon.com/You-Give-Mouse-Cookie-Give/dp/0060245867 |
| 21:31.33 | smootar | Caught up. |
| 21:31.33 | tccastaldo | My favorite is "If You Give a Moose a Muffin." |
| 21:31.48 | smootar | I'm thinking for this we should do minimal validation. |
| 21:32.06 | scgallafent | How much of this data are we going to actually use? |
| 21:32.18 | scgallafent | I could see maybe using the address to send a postcard like last year's postcard. |
| 21:32.18 | smootar | In the past we have sent out mailers. |
| 21:32.23 | scgallafent | Not much more than that, though. |
| 21:32.27 | smootar | So the address would be good to have. |
| 21:32.45 | smootar | That is what it would be is a post card at most. |
| 21:32.57 | tccastaldo | So if they don't give us a valid address, they don't get a post card? Is that all? |
| 21:33.13 | smootar | I don't want to exclude someone from entering in a valid country code by forcing everything to look like the U.S. |
| 21:33.43 | smootar | So for now, let's not be too perscriptive. |
| 21:33.51 | scgallafent | Since it's not critical data, I'd be OK with just leaving it freeform. |
| 21:34.08 | tccastaldo | Okay. I agree. |
| 21:34.11 | scgallafent | Most communication is going to be online or email, so if they don't get a mailer it isn't the end of the world. |
| 21:34.38 | scgallafent | Just pulling up the Jira item. Who came up with version names? :) |
| 21:34.40 | smootar | We can find a proven algorithm to do this later if we need. |
| 21:35.12 | scgallafent | I don't see where we would ever call them, so I'm not going to mess with the phone number code. |
| 21:35.19 | scgallafent | Mouse, give me back my cookie. |
| 21:35.28 | tccastaldo | LOL |
| 21:36.52 | tccastaldo | I would hardly call this a "blocker." |
| 21:37.44 | scgallafent | It's not a blocker any more. |
| 21:38.17 | tccastaldo | Then I'm not going to worry about it. |
| 21:38.23 | tccastaldo | Thanks. |
| 21:41.14 | scgallafent | Why are we worrying about submitpaper and editpaper? I'm assuming that we're not soliciting presenters for the conference. |
| 21:51.02 | tccastaldo | LDSTSCH-38 is vague. |
| 21:52.06 | scgallafent | Slightly. Go ahead and lower the priority until we've got a better description. Put a note in that you've changed the priority until we've got a better description of the problem to be solved. |
| 21:57.49 | tccastaldo | We don't have a waiting list, so I don't know if we need LDSTSCH-7 at all. |
| 21:58.19 | smootar | We will have internal submital of papers for presenters in ICS. |
| 21:58.51 | scgallafent | Since it's limited use, I don't think we need to spend a lot of time working on it for this go around. |
| 21:58.52 | smootar | So we will use that functionality for this conference. |
| 21:59.41 | scgallafent | I'm thinking if it functions correctly and has no glaring issues, it doesn't need to be 100% bulletproof since the audience is internal and limited. |
| 21:59.51 | smootar | Agreed. |
| 21:59.53 | smootar | :) |
| 22:00.56 | scgallafent | I'm knocking the non-critical stuff back to trivial for now. We can reprioritize those items in a day or so. |
| 22:02.51 | tccastaldo | I'm just trying to find things that I can either 1) take care of with my limited knowledge of the system, or 2) resolve by elimination. |
| 22:02.59 | scgallafent | Both good things to do. |
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| 22:52.14 | TimRiker | scgallafent, I'll forward you the email. tech, cdev, cint, and ctest.lds.org should all have mx entries. they bounce through the church systems _first_ ?!? but then hit the google boxes. gg might be working with @tech.lds.org addresses now. |
| 22:52.49 | scgallafent | I'll test it. Not sure why they want to bounce through Church systems first, but that's infrastructure's issue to deal with. |
| 22:53.24 | scgallafent | The only concern will be whether Google sees that the MX records don't match what they expect and doesn't behave correctly because of the MX mismatch. |
| 22:53.54 | scgallafent | Reading the email, it sounds like they've dealt with this before. |
| 22:53.56 | scgallafent | Checking .... |
| 23:02.03 | TimRiker | I suspect the ldsmail.net missionary stuff is setup this way with google. |
| 23:02.33 | scgallafent | I just looked at the MX records (and then got interrupted by a phone call). The tech.lds.org and ldsmail.net records both point to the same name. |
| 23:02.48 | TimRiker | yep. looks that way. ldsmail.net has 3 backup mx records too. |
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| 23:50.38 | tccastaldo | Thank you! |
| 23:51.23 | tccastaldo | ~seen smootar |
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