IRC log for #ldstech on 20111209

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16:02.05smootar************************************************
16:02.05smootar***** Begin - LDSTech Meeting - 9 DEC 2011 *****
16:02.05smootar************************************************
16:02.11smootarWho is here for our meeting?
16:02.18joshbanghere
16:02.27tdeforestshalom
16:02.52smootarlooking for TimRiker but can't see him yet.
16:03.04scgallafentis here
16:03.17smootarFirst off, thanks for the efforts in getting this dashboard done.  
16:03.33smootarI know that it was a bit of a side path.
16:03.44smootarBut John seemed to be happy with the results.
16:03.59smootarHe is meeting with Blaine Maxfield today.
16:04.12smootarI will let you know when I hear back from him on how it went.
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16:04.41smootartdeforest, do you have any updates?  I know we were together until your home teachers came.
16:04.58smootarwaves at scgallafent and KFitz
16:05.23KFitzG'day
16:05.28scgallafentMoin
16:06.03tdeforestgot some feedback on design items from tom johnson and alan brown
16:06.31tdeforesti did get a shower before the home teachers arrived :)
16:06.59smootar:)
16:07.22tdeforesti will also be looking at fixing the issue where the sidebar doesn't show on articles sometimes
16:07.26smootarwaits for when we can smell things virtually. (Maybe not)
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16:07.41tdeforest:)
16:08.04smootarwaves at TimRiker
16:08.13tdeforesti haven't heard the status on johnsonth's efforts with ted boren to do testing on ldstech
16:08.36smootarTed Boren and his intern are waiting for me on that.
16:08.39tdeforestchad fullmer is trying to find candidates for the PM position in cebu
16:08.43smootarI have been meeting with them.
16:08.44tdeforestsmootar: ah
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16:09.05tdeforestsmootar: can i be included in those mtgs?
16:09.15TimRikerhas the usual struggles with the network, but makes it though.
16:09.28smootarYes, in fact I would like to give you ownership of this.  I haven't had a chance to follow-up.
16:09.44smootarIf you can take that, I will send you an email that I have waiting for a response.
16:09.52tdeforestsounds good
16:10.58tdeforestthat is all
16:11.18smootarsend email to tdeforest
16:11.24smootarsends
16:11.32smootarscgallafent, any updates?
16:11.52scgallafentI've been granted a reprieve for the day, so I'm going to try to have a productive day before returning to public service on Monday.
16:12.07smootarSounds fun.
16:12.14scgallafentNothing to report since most of my week has been consumed with scaring attorneys and those the represent into submission from the mere threat of having a jury waiting.
16:12.22scgallafentGoing to try to get some stuff done today.
16:12.34scgallafentCheck Google accounts yesterday - no change in the accounts.
16:12.53scgallafentProbably time for you and I to remind each other that we haven't heard from STG.
16:12.55scgallafentThat is all.
16:12.57tdeforestreceives email
16:13.16scgallafentOops. That should have been "those they represent."
16:13.31smootarWe need to tolk with Kurt Olsen today about Google Groups.  It looks like Google won't give us any more domains other than lds.org.  I don't have the detail yet.
16:13.51scgallafentIf that's the case, I guess the groups live under lds.org and I plow forward.
16:14.00smootarFor STG, I am becoming the bottle neck on that.  Let's talk after this meeting.
16:14.15scgallafentWe can deploy and test under the same domain - I've got a way to set different prefixes.
16:14.19scgallafentOK on STG.
16:14.22TimRikerI added title attributes to the statsvn table. Hover shows a description now. (not on touch devices with no hover though) We pushed the current ldstech code out. ran into wam issues with the forum and reverted that portion. I'll look into that more on cdev. Chad and I are meeting with another sponsor at Thanksgiving point today. I probably won't do the f5 work today.
16:14.45smootarlikes the hover descriptions.
16:14.56TimRikerthe issue with lds.org is that we will not get mx pointed to the google group. tech.lds.org could, or someother.lds.org
16:15.10smootarscgallafent, anything else?
16:15.13scgallafentNope.
16:15.37scgallafentcatches TimRiker's point and makes a note
16:16.04TimRikergoogle.lds.org ? :)
16:16.09smootarWe should talk with Kurt Olsen to get the detail on what I have said.  It was a quick in the hall conversation.  We were both running to our next meeting.
16:16.19scgallafentI have a note on that also.
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16:17.39TimRikerI don't have anything else.
16:17.44smootarI thanked the group for the work on the dashboard at the beginning.  Saying it again for TimRiker since he didn't hear it.  But Thank You!
16:17.58TimRiker:)
16:18.17smootarThere was a lot of work done on this and I appreciate everyones focus to make it available for John as he meets with Blaine Maxfield this morning.
16:18.38smootarKFitz, thanks for your work as well.
16:18.55smootarEven though I had to pay you.
16:19.07smootarthinking about cold coffee again.
16:19.16TimRikerhehe
16:19.25smootar:)
16:19.35tdeforestzing
16:19.41smootarKFitz, any updates?
16:19.46KFitznow that you said it.. I need to go for a drive and get a drink
16:19.55smootarhahaha
16:20.15KFitzNo updates, I have a 2 week project to get some ops reports done for John
16:20.21TimRikerno drinking and driving
16:20.34KFitzBTW, how did your meeting with john go last night?  did he like the dashboard?
16:20.51smootarMy meeting went well.
16:20.53KFitzdlhace you there?
16:21.00dlhaceyes
16:21.05smootarThe one thing he requested was more info on the calculations.
16:21.29smootarSo TimRiker added a hover over the columns in the statsvn drill down.
16:21.30KFitzcompletely off topic, but I need the ops reporting changed to run at 2:00 am monday mornings ;)
16:22.02KFitzdid you tell him there isnt any more info, we just stuck our thumbs in the wind and made up numbers?
16:22.53TimRikerif we are to keep spending time on this.... we could checkin some kind of statsvn config in some repositories that could break out projects, exclude file patterns like *.pdf and perhaps more to make the numbers more real. not sure how much more time we want to spend with everything else that we'd like to do.
16:23.42TimRikerKFitz, we're holding our thumbs up higher now.
16:24.05smootarSee the hover at: http://code.lds.org/statsvn/?value=1000
16:24.19KFitz:)
16:24.31smootarYes, John knows that it was all estimates.
16:24.50TimRikernote: title attributes are checked in. feel free to update if desired. ldstech/statsvn/index.php
16:25.00scgallafentlooks at the numbers and realizes that some estimates are _way_ off
16:25.30tdeforestTimRiker raises a good question. i guess we'll know better after john reports on his mtg with brother maxfield
16:25.37smootarwants scgallafent to keep talking.
16:26.12TimRikervalue=1000 is too low. but there's too much being counted, so setting it higher is also inaccurate.
16:26.18scgallafentI just looked at the CPAS number. I changed the value to $4,000. That puts the total USD value at $48,620 and community value comes out at $6,774.62.
16:26.47TimRikerpretty inexpensive for that project. :/
16:27.00scgallafentI'm not sure if there are issues with the way it's counting code, but community percentage should be a lot higher that 13.93%.
16:27.05scgallafentJust my opinion. :)
16:27.35smootarTimRiker, cpas is way off.
16:27.48scgallafent2,720 lines?
16:27.50smootarShouldn't all of cpas be non employee numbers?
16:28.05TimRikernods. I have a large chunk there. that's probably line ending conversions and nothing else.
16:28.06scgallafentTom Welch did some work on CPAS, but not 85%.
16:28.13smootarcpas shows 379 community loc.
16:28.20TimRikerwith I could get paid $3 for each newline change. woah.
16:28.39scgallafentI'll look at it today. I had the CPAS code open last week to do some more work on it.
16:28.56scgallafentI'll see if I can back up and figure out how the numbers match up.
16:29.03smootarI'm glad it is a low ball number, I don't want any of the projects to be inflated.
16:29.10smootarI would like to figure out cpas though.
16:29.15scgallafentfeels a little deflated
16:29.20TimRikerscgallafent, I expect it's when I converted newlines. Now it thinks I wrote all that code.
16:29.27smootarVery deflated.
16:29.43scgallafentThat's my guess, but I looked at your commits and I don't remember them covering that much code.
16:29.58scgallafentI'll dig into it. It gives us a good way to validate the numbers.
16:30.20smootarIt shows TimRiker as the largest contributor right now.
16:30.32smootar82.1% of the code.
16:30.47TimRikerhttps://code.lds.org/wsvn/wsvn/cpas/?op=revision&rev=558&peg=558
16:30.49smootarSo, we need to fix that.
16:30.58scgallafentYup. That will flip as I work on this update.
16:31.26smootarGreat.
16:31.29TimRikerscgallafent, this is easy. propdel and propadd as yourself. you'll be back to 100%
16:31.36smootarI wonder how many others are broken like that.
16:32.03scgallafentI'm also a little surprised at total lines of code
16:32.10TimRikerer propdel/propset
16:32.11smootarIt is unforunate that this report can so easily flip from employee to community so easily.
16:32.13scgallafentI'll dig into rather than derail the meeting.
16:32.27scgallafents/into/into it/
16:32.39smootar:)
16:32.46smootarjoshbang, any updates?
16:33.00joshbangNope, so far everything is running smooth
16:33.48smootarBecause of the android Gospel Library shipping soon.  And the need for testing it.  I have asked joshbang to test that today.
16:34.04smootarI have a couple of Android devices that I handed to him for that purpose.
16:34.17smootarHe will be helping Asiel today.
16:34.38smootardlhace, do you have anything?
16:34.56dlhaceNo
16:35.45smootarI would like to get Google Groups and SVN integration enabled before our Christmas break.
16:36.03scgallafentWhen do you want to visit with Kurt Olsen?
16:36.06smootarI am also working to get SWARM in high gear as well.
16:36.19smootarThese are the priorities.
16:36.37smootarLet's call him in a few minutes.
16:36.48scgallafentOK.
16:36.52smootarAnything else from anybody?
16:37.11tdeforestwe should share our holiday schedules at some point
16:37.38tdeforesti haven't decided my days off yet but i'll let everyone know when i do
16:37.44smootarCould we send calendar items to each other showing when we will be out?
16:38.11TimRikerscgallafent, note: I've configured statsvn to look at only the current year. I'm not sure how that is reflected in lines of code calculations. Just another thing to consider.
16:38.15tdeforestsounds good
16:38.32smootarIt would be an all-day item showing "Free".  That shows nicely at the top of the calendars I use at least.
16:38.33scgallafentOK on calendar items.
16:38.47smootarThanks all.
16:38.48smootar************************************************
16:38.48smootar***** End - LDSTech Meeting - 9 DEC 2011 *******
16:38.48smootar************************************************
16:38.51scgallafentTimRiker: Big note. That explains a lot.
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16:39.40TimRikerThe loc seems high for commits this year, and low for total over all time. need some sanity checking.
16:39.52smootarwonders if showing the last rolling 12 months would be the right thing for the dashboard.
16:40.06TimRikeris open to suggestions
16:41.25smootarscgallafent, I faintly remember Kurt Olsen saying something about him leaving town for a week or so.  But, I will call you and we can try.
16:41.37smootarCalling you now.
16:42.24RedWorkingany idea when the new Gosple Library for iOS will be approved by Apple?
16:42.32RedWorkingit was submitted late last week
16:43.24smootarscgallafent, no answer.
16:43.29smootarRedWorking, let me inquire.
16:43.46RedWorkingthanks, I appreciate it
16:44.24scgallafentsmootar: OK.
16:44.54scgallafentTimRiker has a good point. We probably won't be able to point MX records for lds.org to Google. That's going to need to be addressed.
16:45.45smootarRedWorking, It has been in review for 2 days. Which has always been a bad sign. They are expecting it to be rejected.
16:45.59RedWorking?!?!
16:46.05RedWorkingwhy would it be rejected?
16:46.09smootarRedWorking, Sorry about the unfortunate news.
16:46.23smootarRedWorking, they don't know yet.  
16:46.33RedWorkingit's an update to an existing app...
16:46.42RedWorkingis there any way for me to complain to Apple?
16:46.49scgallafentThinking about the rolling 12 months: We probably just need to point out that it is a rolling 12-month total. If that's the case, the numbers for CPAS are about right.
16:46.51smootarThey expect to hear back sometime soon, I'm only the messenger.
16:46.53RedWorkinggrumbles about proprietary trash
16:47.02RedWorking*nod*
16:47.21scgallafentJohn will want to make sure that is communicated when others look at the dashboard and that they don't see the bottom (top) line number as the total lifetime value of the community.
16:47.27smootarRedWorking, hang in there brother.  Tis the season.
16:47.41RedWorkingthanks
16:48.20RedWorkingfor me, this was/is the killer app for my iPod Touch, I much prefer rockbox for audio apps
16:49.15RedWorkingand my android phone (OLD G1) has such poor battery life as to make it nearly useless for extended app use.
16:49.20smootarRedWorking, I'm sure they will get the issues resolved and it will be in the store soon.
16:49.41RedWorking*nod*
16:49.45smootarThey have been through this many times.
16:49.49RedWorkingI get the impression they've been...
16:49.50RedWorkingyeah
16:50.25RedWorkinggoes in search of an android tablet
16:50.33smootar:)
16:50.56RedWorkingmaybe that'll be my christmas present to myself
16:52.52TimRikerhacked NookColor is a cheap option. no camera or mic though.
16:53.27TimRikerbible videos got approved by apple yesterday.
16:53.48RedWorkingwoot
16:54.05TimRikerhttp://itunes.apple.com/us/app/bible-videos/id475327718?mt=8
17:03.41TimRikerscgallafent, currently the statsvn display is from start of year to present. will reset in january if I leave it that way.
17:04.57tdeforesthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w68qZ8JvBds
17:05.26RedWorkinghttp://search.ebay.com/300631126819
17:15.18TimRikerthat looks like fun. wonder if it's rooted...
17:15.53RedWorkinghttp://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1136
17:15.56RedWorkinglooks like it is
17:16.06TimRikernods
17:16.08RedWorkingnot sure I'd care about that, at least not for a month or two
17:16.27RedWorkingthat's what I want for Christmas
17:19.12TimRikerneat. stereo speakers/mic, hdmi output, microsd, gyro, 1280x800 display dual core, 16G onboard. 1G ram. fun!
17:19.24RedWorkingyeah
17:25.26scgallafentstill prefers the features of http://eee.asus.com/en/eeepad/transformer-prime/features
17:33.11RedWorkingscgallafent, that's very nice
17:36.44scgallafentI have a friend who just bought the predecessor to that tablet. It's a pretty slick little unit.
17:37.28TimRikermore $ though.
17:37.34scgallafentMuch more $.
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19:04.05RedWorkingI did it
19:04.08RedWorkingI bought one
19:08.07scgallafentRedworking: Bought the Iconia?
19:08.20RedWorkingyeah
19:08.43RedWorkingnow I'm looking for uSD, Bluetooth keyboard and GPSr
19:08.51scgallafentCongratulations!
19:09.19RedWorkingthx
19:13.52tdeforestwas this resolved yesterday: https://tech.lds.org/jira/browse/LDSTECH-523
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19:32.07TimRikerhmm. thought I'd reworked the jira lookup for paged searches, but the codes not there. /me disables the jira lookup to get the admin page finishing in a reasonable time.
20:53.37smootartdeforest, I don't think it has been fixed yet.  David Howard is the one that should be doing that.
20:54.47tdeforestsmootar: ok. should i mark 2.5 as released or do you want to wait till that is done
21:03.28smootarLet's get that done first.  Dave should have it done asap.
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21:14.42tdeforestGvzEvxre: aka timriker are you there?

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