IRC log for #ldstech on 20111205

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14:42.12tdeforestcan anyone tell me about the LDS Profile Management project on LDSTech?
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15:38.50smootarKurt Bestor Song, Mall in Logan, UT - Holiday Christmas Music Flash Mob of the American Festival Chorus: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAdDSsnWafY
15:38.55smootarEnjoy
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16:01.05smootar************************************************
16:01.05smootar***** Begin - LDSTech Meeting - 5 DEC 2011 *****
16:01.05smootar************************************************
16:01.08smootarWho is here?
16:01.19tdeforestmoin
16:02.03smootarmoin tdeforest, did you watch the falsh mob?
16:02.09smootarflash
16:02.13tdeforestjust about to
16:02.27smootarNot a big deal, but cool.
16:02.51smootarI like the changes to the dashboard.
16:03.24tdeforestthat is beautiful
16:03.30smootarlooks for TimRiker, but can't see him.
16:04.00tdeforestsmootar: thanks. glad you like it. excellent
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16:04.55infobotscgallafent <~scgallafe@c-67-185-194-104.hsd1.wa.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #ldstech, 2d 20h 17m 43s ago, saying: 'I think there is some manual configuration that has to happen for non-members to participate. tdeforest?'.
16:05.13smootar~seen KFitz
16:05.13infobotkfitz <~MittRomne@proxy.lds.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #ldstech, 3d 23h 23m 5s ago, saying: 'No, I missed the beginning of the meeting, how is the test app coming?'.
16:06.05smootarSo, today we have an ICS devotional in downton SLC.  I don't know if this is part of the reason a few aren't here.
16:06.43smootarDid you mainly work on the dashboard on Friday?
16:06.54smootartdeforest?
16:07.13tdeforestyes. let me look at my notes
16:08.07tdeforesti added the reports menu and i added a project area menu to aid in navigation
16:08.37smootar:)
16:09.15tdeforestthis makes it easier for admins to get around the different views
16:09.36tdeforesti removed the sidebar in the projects area to make room for the menus
16:10.01smootarI like what you have done here.
16:10.49tdeforesti sent a couple emails this morning. followed up with josh bentley of the new hampshire chapter to see how they're dong
16:10.56tdeforests/dong/doing/
16:11.22tdeforestemailed mike heath to see how his projects are going. he has two projects that don't have a lot of info
16:12.12smootarWhen do they plan to meet?
16:12.24smootarJosh Bentley?
16:12.31smootarIt still shows TBD.
16:12.49tdeforestyep. i asked him if they had a schedule set yet
16:12.57smootarok.
16:13.09tdeforestthey are prepared to do gg testing once it's available
16:13.14smootarwill come back to Mike Heath.
16:13.22smootargreat.
16:14.02smootarI'm hoping that they will be able to do svn testing as well.
16:14.16tdeforestcool. is that getting close too?
16:14.37smootarI believe so.  I need to confirm that with dlhace and TimRiker.
16:14.48tdeforestnice
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16:15.21smootarI haven't heard if TimRiker was able to setup an interview.
16:15.31smootarHave you heard anything?
16:15.50tdeforesthaven't heard anything on an interview.
16:15.57smootarOK.
16:16.15smootargoing back to Mike Heath.
16:16.20smootarHave you heard back?
16:16.28smootarFrom Mike?
16:16.29tdeforestno
16:16.53smootarWhen he moved teams, I think progress stopped.
16:17.01smootarThose projects may need to be  moved to inactive.
16:17.33smootarBut we should wait for his reply.
16:17.40tdeforestah
16:17.47smootarAny other items for you?
16:17.54tdeforestthat's all
16:18.13smootarFYI, I spoke with the Silicon Bay Chapter on Friday.
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16:18.24smootarThey are getting organized to start in January.
16:18.58smootarThey have a very good model for chapters because of the BYU Management Chapters.
16:19.14tdeforestnice. how are they set up?
16:19.18smootarChet is over all the Northern California, most of Nevada and Hawaii chapters.
16:19.39smootarHe has setup other cousin chapters like LDSTech, and they all work together.
16:19.58smootarIt creates a network of chapters that fit the passion and skills of those that attend.
16:20.12smootarSo, he is very enthusiastic about helping us get organized well there.
16:20.21tdeforestvery nice
16:20.27smootarThe Chapters there usually meet for 1 hour over breakfast or lunch.
16:20.45smootarThey usually have someone speak.
16:20.48smootarOr present.
16:21.03smootarIn this case, they will watch the LDSTech Broadcast.
16:21.15smootarBy the way, did the broadcast work well for you?
16:21.18tdeforestthat sounds like a nice way to get people together
16:21.32tdeforestyes indeed. no problems at all
16:21.53smootarThat was using the bright cove servers.  This was the first time using them.
16:22.08smootarYou could rewind or start late and watch the whole thing at any moment.
16:22.15tdeforeststream started up immediately with no problems
16:22.16smootarSo I'm hoping this will work well for the future.
16:22.37smootarwaves at johnsonth
16:23.05johnsonthWe had a good meeting last week to discuss blog strategies.
16:23.09tdeforestwelcomes johnsonth
16:23.24smootarAnyway, I think they will plan service seperate from their meeting.
16:23.34johnsonthI also realized my CSM will be working on other efforts.
16:23.54smootarThey have LDS connections with many tech companies in the valley there.
16:24.09johnsonthWe will be focusing more on human interest stories for the blog. I'll try to mine these stories from my project volunteer writers.
16:24.23johnsonthI need to test the Brightcove extension to see if it works well with the wiki.
16:24.32smootarWe will now move to johnsonth since he is already going.
16:24.42smootar)
16:24.54johnsonthsorry, I wasn't sure if the wave was a passing of the baton to me to speak.
16:25.12smootarNot a problem, go ahead.
16:25.23smootarLove having you here by the way, I'm assuming the break was nice.
16:25.29smootar?
16:25.41johnsonthI have some other projects I'm juggling right now, but I hope to keep publishing on the blog with regularity. Probably 2-3 articles a week.
16:25.53johnsonthI met with Rob F. to go over some publicity needs for mobile apps.
16:26.07smootarGreat, did that cover the training videos?
16:26.22johnsonthWhich training videos?
16:26.49johnsonthI wouldn't mind creating more mobile video tutorials, but I don't have a mac.
16:26.57johnsonthso that is problematic.
16:26.58smootarRob Foth...ham said that he would like to get some short training videos for mobile apps.
16:27.17smootarI'm guessing you talked about something else?
16:27.17johnsonthRight. I will need to see if I can scavenge up a spare mac computer.
16:27.18tdeforesti've got a mac
16:27.33johnsonthwe talked about the need to publicize several mobile features.
16:27.36smootarYou can get a loaner from the TSR's
16:27.42johnsonthi'll investigate that.
16:28.00johnsonthmost significant from last week was a reduction in scope. Previously I felt some responsibility for all content on the LDSTech wiki.
16:28.11smootarHe wanted some 60 second clips teaching different things about the mobile apps, all platforms.  But starting with iOS.
16:28.14johnsonthNow I feel that product owners should have responsibility for that.
16:28.30johnsonthCool. I just ordered some new recording equipment for our team, by the way.
16:28.35smootarThat was a good adjustment.
16:29.00smootarI still think you should be the coordinating point to make sure all pages have owners.  
16:29.04johnsonthAlso, at some point I would like to know more about why the CSM switched out.
16:29.24johnsonthThat's about it for me.
16:29.33johnsonthI was out Thurs and Fri last week.
16:29.49smootarI had a long conversation with Cindy, let's talk about the CSM in person.
16:29.59johnsonthYes, sounds good.
16:30.14smootarstill looks for TimRiker. Can't see him.
16:30.17smootarI think we are done.
16:30.28smootarcan't see scgallafent either.
16:30.37tdeforestwhat's a CSM?
16:30.48smootar************************************************
16:30.48smootar***** End - LDSTech Meeting - 5 DEC 2011 *******
16:30.48smootar************************************************
16:30.52smootarThanks for joining.
16:31.43smootarFYI, many will be gone to the ICS Devotional in the middle of the day today.
16:31.56smootarSo if you are looking for people, that is where they will be.
16:32.20tdeforestgracias
16:32.57smootarOK, TimRiker has a flat tire.
16:33.11tdeforestah
16:33.13smootarSo he isn't sure when he will get here.
16:33.19tdeforesti don't think there's an app for that
16:33.29smootarHe sent me a text at 8:48 AM that I didn't see until now.
16:33.33smootarOn vibrate.
16:34.16smootartdeforest, just looking at the dashboard.
16:34.36smootarI think we have a reasonable way (json services) to get to the data for dev.
16:34.53smootarWhat are your thoughts on getting data for support?
16:35.12smootarIs the forum posts only?
16:35.21tdeforestgood question.
16:35.34smootarWe have a system called OSTicket that is used by the iOS team.
16:35.56smootarThey have a missionary working 16-20 hours a week answering questions.
16:36.10smootarand supporting iOS.
16:36.26tdeforestvery cool
16:36.31smootarWe have the tech@ldschurch.org email that is also a support like system.
16:36.41tdeforestis osticket like jira?
16:37.31smootarIt is specific for resolving issues (tickets) in a support environment. The end user just sends an email.
16:37.45smootarThe email creates a ticket and the ticket has to be resolved.
16:38.02smootarBut the user only sees an email communication and doesn't go into OSTicket.
16:38.08smootarAt least that is my understanding.
16:38.12tdeforestgotcha. we could get more precise metrics that way but the forum has a lot of momentum
16:38.16smootarI haven't actually used it.
16:38.34smootarThe forum isn't being replaced.
16:38.52smootarThey just wanted try to be better organized with their issues.
16:38.59tdeforestright but it would be hard to redirect support inquiries from the forum to something else
16:39.27smootarThey do have quite a bit of traffic in OSTicket now.
16:39.40tdeforestoh.
16:40.02tdeforestwe should get that info. who can connect us with their stats?
16:40.15smootarAsiel Brumfield.
16:40.24smootarHe should be in your address book.
16:40.29tdeforesthe is
16:40.57smootarProbably the 3 areas we can measure are Forums, OSTicket, and email.
16:41.12smootarLet's just start with the forum first.
16:41.27smootarI think we can add the others later.
16:41.34smootarBut let's measure forums first.
16:41.35tdeforesti'd be interested in evolving support to use osticket on a broader range of LDSTech apps
16:42.01smootarWe should make sure they are happy with OSTicket before we go any broader.
16:42.11tdeforestagreed
16:42.11smootarI haven't had that discussion with them yet.
16:43.16tdeforesti'll see what we can do about getting forum stats dynamically
16:43.29smootarAs far as writing, I would like to see if there is a way to automate the word count of articles in the blog and show the value that johnsonth was showing.
16:43.43tdeforestwe're short handed there so the static stats may have to hold us over
16:44.06smootarThat seems to be a reasonable way to automate the writing measurement.
16:44.19tdeforestk. i'll discuss with johnsonth
16:44.23tdeforestagreed
16:44.25johnsonthhow do you factor in editing and management time for each article?
16:44.41smootarI'm not sure if we want to measure the wiki articles, but that is another area where measurement could ocurr.
16:44.47tdeforesti would estimate a total value per word factoring in editing, etc
16:46.30tdeforestjohnsonth, are there any standards that estimate what authors are paid by word?
16:47.00johnsonthI did calculate out some metrics from last week. I'll forward you that email.
16:48.32tdeforestthank you
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17:05.00tdeforestjohnsonth, wouldn't editing have to done anyway. Or would editing not be done if you wrote the article yourself?
17:05.57johnsonthI would factor editing into the writing time.
17:06.11johnsonthI'll keep more careful track of time I spend for upcoming articles.
17:08.07tdeforestsounds like you have a good estimate to start with
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17:45.54scgallafentsmootar: I was in juror orientation earlier and am headed off to do my civic duty in about five minutes. I have a minute, so I thought I'd poke my head in.
17:46.13smootarThanks, I remember now that you mentioned that.
17:46.21smootarYou have been chosen?
17:46.37scgallafentGoing in to selection in a few minutes.
17:46.58smootarGood luck.  Do you know anything about the case?
17:47.49smootarIf you are selected, does it look like a long event?
17:47.58scgallafentNo. Sitting in the jury lounge right now. All I know is I'm number 22 for this case, or so says the badge on my chest.
17:48.08smootar:)
17:48.15smootarSounds like you are ready.
17:48.39scgallafentI'm in HUAWM (hurry up and wait mode).
17:49.28scgallafentBiggest item on my list is to see if we need to follow up on the Google accounts.
17:49.53smootarMy Dad had an Uncle that used to say tell him as a kid.  In one word "gwait" when they were heading out to feed the horse.
17:50.33scgallafentThat accurately describes it.
17:50.57smootarGoogle groups.  Let me ping Matt
17:52.02scgallafentCould you also ping Chad Butler on the Fortify scan I asked about. No rush, but it would be nice to have an idea when he thinks he can run it.
17:52.47smootarOK
17:53.51scgallafentLooks like my group is up. Better run.
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19:17.02tdeforestsmootar: do you want me to contact asiel about osticket?
19:31.18pikappHey guys, I came by yesterday about non-members contributions. I am trying to get access in Jira, but I am stopped at this message: "Not a member? Contact an Administrator to request an account"
19:33.15pikappI am trying to login to JIRA with my LDS Account login to no avail
19:33.40tdeforestpikapp: what is your ldsaccount. is it pikapp?
19:34.11pikappNo, jonfaulkenberry
19:34.27tdeforestk. give me a moment and I'll see what i can do
19:34.36pikappThank you :)
19:37.17tdeforesttry it now
19:38.29pikappStill no luck
19:38.43pikapp"Sorry, your username and password are incorrect - please try again."
19:39.57tdeforestpikapp: hmm. i'll take another look. in the mean time i've sent you an agreement via email
19:40.09tdeforestplease agree to it by replying to the email with a yes.
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19:42.55pikapptdeforest: My email address is likely out of date as I haven't received the email, let me update it real fast
19:43.12tdeforestpikapp: k
19:45.05pikappThere, I have updated my email address and I have clicked the link in the confirmation email
19:45.17tdeforestk
20:03.54tdeforestpikapp: any particular projects you are looking for? one great way to get involved his by engaging in testing an app you are interested in and reporting bugs.
20:05.02pikappSmaller goals are just to ttest--mainly Unit testing and the like--with Android and iOS Gospel Library. Larger goals include helping sync Gospel Library for Android with LDS My Study Notebook like iOS has
20:05.36tdeforestcool. they just announced some progress in that regard on friday last week
20:05.37pikappI do a lot of JUnit testing at my job
20:06.11pikapptdeforest: Awesome, I would be very excited for that, I have an iPad and its awesome to sync like that
20:06.23pikappbut even the iPad's sync is very shaky
20:06.59tdeforesti haven't had too many problems with sync on my iphone
20:07.26tdeforesthere's a link to the video containing updates on gospel library for android
20:07.27tdeforesthttp://broadcast.lds.org/ics/techtalk/2011-12-02.html
20:08.27pikappI have not updated the iOS on my iPad 1 since I got it, that's almost certainly why
20:08.46tdeforestinteresting bits start at 5:00
20:08.49pikappThank you!
20:09.00tdeforestyw!
20:10.50pikappI am the kind of person that I am very nervous about not being able to export my notes too; I recently found how you can print all of your notes in my Study Notebook, that's pretty helpful. It would be cool to have multiple export formats though.
20:11.56tdeforestagreed. it's always good to know when a basic text format export is available in case support for something goes away
20:15.23pikappDoes one automatically become a "Developer" from an "Observer" when they submit a commit?
20:26.09TimRikernope. someone on the team needs to change your role. normally a project manager.
20:26.23TimRikerdid you get logged in ok?
20:37.27pikappYes I did, thank you
20:56.28tdeforestsmootar: do you want me to contact asiel about osticket?
21:20.15smootarLet me ask him real quick, hang on.
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21:49.12tdeforestdid recprop get a new test site. this link on ldstech is broken: http://tech.lds.org/recprop
21:51.07smootartdeforest, I have an account to OSTicket now.
21:51.28tdeforestnice
21:52.04smootarshouldn't it be cdev.lds.org/recprop?
21:52.38tdeforestyes. i'll fix it
21:52.42smootartdeforest, I just sent you an image related to the dashboard.
21:52.51smootarI would like to chat with you about it.
21:53.45tdeforestsaw that. i've got a few minutes now if you like
21:59.10tdeforestsmootar: i've got a couple minutes to discuss the image you sent if you like.
22:06.54smootarI'm on a call.
22:07.30smootarI will be done at 4pm.
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23:38.56smootartdeforest
23:39.01smootarYou around?
23:40.38smootarAttempting to make tdeforest 's machine beep.
23:41.23smootarCalling tdeforest...
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