| 01:03.18 | tdeforest | hoping to move my meeting tonight to IRC from Skype…once Mel joins |
| 01:15.08 | smootar | teforest, what time is yr meeting tonight? |
| 01:15.15 | smootar | your |
| 01:15.28 | tdeforest | right now but Mel is a no show |
| 01:15.42 | tdeforest | sent him an email. |
| 01:15.59 | smootar | Rmind me wht Mel does. |
| 01:16.15 | tdeforest | programming in the Philippines |
| 01:16.28 | smootar | php? |
| 01:16.40 | tdeforest | i'm pinging todd. yeah php and mysql |
| 01:17.19 | smootar | Is it 8am for them? |
| 01:17.25 | tdeforest | 9am |
| 01:19.05 | smootar | ahhh |
| 01:30.00 | smootar | Let me know how it goes, tdeforest |
| 01:30.14 | tdeforest | k |
| 01:30.17 | tdeforest | thx |
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| 14:48.07 | tdeforest | scgallafent: I just realized i should've just typed DESCRIBE `jos_ts_projects` last night. this is the speed my brain moves at :) |
| 14:48.34 | scgallafent | That's what happens when it's late. |
| 14:49.18 | scgallafent | I'm still curious why SHOW CREATE was giving us back hex instead of text. I realized late that the gobbledygook looked like hex-encoded ASCII. |
| 14:58.02 | scgallafent | tdeforest: Looks like we also could have use SHOW COLUMNS FROM jos_ts_projects |
| 14:58.29 | tdeforest | ah |
| 14:58.54 | scgallafent | s/use/used/ |
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| 15:24.17 | scgallafent | is leaving for 30-45 minutes - Hopefully back for the meeting |
| 15:29.48 | aamonson | smootar: did you meet some friends of mine yesterday? |
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| 15:57.24 | smootar | aamonson, yes I did. |
| 15:57.38 | smootar | It sounds like things are going well. |
| 15:57.43 | aamonson | yup |
| 15:58.25 | smootar | we talked about how they might use community at some point in the future. |
| 15:58.38 | smootar | They were leaning towards using QA. |
| 15:58.45 | smootar | I don't know when. |
| 16:01.03 | smootar | ************************************************* |
| 16:01.03 | smootar | ***** Begin - LDSTech Meeting - 18 NOV 2011 ***** |
| 16:01.03 | smootar | ************************************************* |
| 16:01.08 | smootar | Where is here for our meeting? |
| 16:01.19 | tdeforest | shalom |
| 16:01.27 | smootar | s/Where/Who/ |
| 16:02.51 | smootar | tdeforest, is it just you and I? |
| 16:03.12 | tdeforest | scgallafent: had to step out. he said he would try to be back for rthe mtg |
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| 16:03.27 | smootar | TimRiker, is here too. |
| 16:03.35 | smootar | tdeforest, do you want to start? |
| 16:03.46 | TimRiker | moin moin |
| 16:03.50 | tdeforest | sure |
| 16:04.26 | tdeforest | smootar: you and i are scheduled to meet with Josh Bentley of the southern maine chapter at 10am MST today (in one hour) |
| 16:04.48 | tdeforest | they are seeking direction on what to focus on within their chapter |
| 16:05.44 | tdeforest | the mtg with philippines didn't happen last night |
| 16:05.48 | aamonson | They seek the holy grail |
| 16:05.54 | tdeforest | mel didn't show |
| 16:06.06 | tdeforest | i've emailed him but haven't heard anything |
| 16:06.19 | scgallafent | is back |
| 16:07.11 | smootar | tdeforest, did you also talk with Todd? |
| 16:07.36 | tdeforest | i skyped todd last night. he couldn't say where mel was |
| 16:07.44 | tdeforest | i'll include todd in the follow up |
| 16:08.06 | smootar | Sounds good. |
| 16:08.27 | tdeforest | i've made a few minor improvements to the wiki for tom johnson |
| 16:08.50 | tdeforest | they are demoed here : https://cdev.lds.org/ldstech/wiki/Notes |
| 16:09.16 | TimRiker | tdeforest, checked into svn then? |
| 16:09.21 | tdeforest | just minor tweaks to the sidebar, notes and lists |
| 16:09.39 | tdeforest | yes |
| 16:10.23 | smootar | thinks it looks good. |
| 16:10.27 | tdeforest | johnson also shared a concern a community member had about search usability on ldstech in general. the wiki is also difficult to search |
| 16:10.36 | smootar | These were requests from TomJ? |
| 16:10.39 | TimRiker | agrees. looking good. |
| 16:10.41 | tdeforest | tom j suggested google custom search |
| 16:10.44 | tdeforest | smootar: yes |
| 16:11.23 | smootar | lds.org also has search issues. |
| 16:11.23 | tdeforest | google custom search (cse for short) has advertising on the results page |
| 16:11.26 | smootar | We are not alone. |
| 16:11.41 | TimRiker | I think we should add a google search box someplace. just not gotten to it. want to add jira for wiki, joomla and forum for that? |
| 16:11.58 | tdeforest | yeah |
| 16:12.13 | smootar | likes the google search addition. |
| 16:12.17 | tdeforest | i think that would be a big improvement…if we're ok with advertising on the site |
| 16:12.33 | TimRiker | well, on the results page. not on the site itself. :) |
| 16:12.34 | smootar | wonders what ads people would see. |
| 16:12.39 | scgallafent | What about one of the Google appliances? |
| 16:12.46 | scgallafent | Does that eliminate the advertising? |
| 16:12.52 | tdeforest | here is a jira ticket: https://tech.lds.org/jira/browse/LDSTECH-83 |
| 16:13.16 | smootar | It would be good to not have the ads on an lds.org site. |
| 16:13.17 | tdeforest | i guess the appliance would eliminate advertising. |
| 16:13.35 | tdeforest | we can also pay for the google cse to remove ads |
| 16:13.41 | smootar | If the appliance gets rid of the ads, let's look into it. |
| 16:13.49 | smootar | Anyone know cost? |
| 16:14.03 | scgallafent | I'm looking. |
| 16:14.05 | TimRiker | https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=%2Bsite%3Atech.lds.org+calendar+attachments for example. |
| 16:14.26 | macnewbold | appliance will cost more than the $100-200/year for CSE to remove ads |
| 16:14.30 | scgallafent | http://www.google.com/sitesearch/ |
| 16:14.46 | scgallafent | 500,000 queries per year is $2,000 |
| 16:14.58 | scgallafent | 150,000 queries per year is $750 |
| 16:15.07 | smootar | no ads on what TimRiker did. |
| 16:15.33 | TimRiker | I think the official site search does though. |
| 16:15.43 | smootar | nods |
| 16:15.49 | TimRiker | Not sure what the policy is on just adding a google search box without using site search. |
| 16:16.38 | tdeforest | TimRiker: without the site search users are taken to google. with site search they stay on your site with your cse |
| 16:17.06 | TimRiker | http://nookdevs.com/ has a google custom search box. I don't see ads there. search on the left for nook for example. |
| 16:17.32 | smootar | I guess there isn't a way to show the results in your own pane on your site? |
| 16:17.39 | TimRiker | tdeforest, ah. I'm ok with them going to google as long as most of them come back. :) |
| 16:17.43 | smootar | Without the appliance? |
| 16:17.52 | tdeforest | i'm seeing ad on nook dev |
| 16:18.08 | TimRiker | oh.. must be my adblock cleaning things for me. :) |
| 16:18.09 | smootar | We could probably finish our meeting and look into this further. |
| 16:18.14 | tdeforest | :) |
| 16:18.21 | TimRiker | nods at smootar |
| 16:18.25 | tdeforest | that is all |
| 16:18.31 | smootar | I met with Tyler Dalton yesterday. He has appreciated you following up with him. He said that would be good practice for all community projects. |
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| 16:18.43 | TimRiker | yep. blocked: http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/show_ads.js |
| 16:19.05 | smootar | tdeforest, we should probably figure out how to better follow-up with project leads moving forward. |
| 16:19.08 | scgallafent | I don't see Google ads on nookdevs.com, but they might also be paying for it. |
| 16:19.17 | smootar | Tyler felt like he was left alone until you contacted him. |
| 16:19.23 | smootar | I thought it was good feedback. |
| 16:19.34 | smootar | scgallafent, update? |
| 16:19.35 | tdeforest | smootar: he has been one of the most responsive |
| 16:20.10 | smootar | nods |
| 16:20.33 | scgallafent | I spent some time yesterday chasing a bug I've been seeing in my local copy of Joomla. Turns out that the main create script (Joomla15.sql) was out of sync with the database. I fixed that. |
| 16:20.52 | smootar | likes that fix. |
| 16:21.14 | scgallafent | Other than that I'm testing and tweaking. Haven't heard anything back about the Google Apps account upgrades, so I'll send another email today. |
| 16:21.29 | smootar | ko |
| 16:21.29 | smootar | ok |
| 16:21.38 | scgallafent | That is all for me. |
| 16:21.41 | tdeforest | others have not responded to any of my inquiries for months. i'm open to suggestions on how to improve the follow up overall. I enjoy contacting them and trying to help. i will stop talking now. |
| 16:22.25 | smootar | tdeforest, we do need to figure that part out. |
| 16:22.31 | smootar | TimRiker, update? |
| 16:23.04 | TimRiker | got access to the new recprop server today. php packages are broken. looking into that some today. |
| 16:23.14 | macnewbold | cheers reverently |
| 16:23.22 | smootar | grins |
| 16:23.30 | tdeforest | lol |
| 16:23.54 | tdeforest | lol'd reverently |
| 16:23.55 | scgallafent | Broken or just super old? :) |
| 16:24.02 | TimRiker | both. |
| 16:24.16 | scgallafent | groans |
| 16:24.25 | TimRiker | didn't get to cleaning up the non-jira joomla test. will be working on that too today. |
| 16:24.44 | TimRiker | feels like a friday. :) that's it I guess. |
| 16:24.55 | scgallafent | We need two instances on the recprop server. I'll send you details. |
| 16:25.20 | TimRiker | k |
| 16:25.36 | smootar | We have discussed rolling out the latest code to production. |
| 16:25.50 | smootar | My goal was google groups and svnrm integration. |
| 16:26.02 | smootar | We have to get an official google groups account still. |
| 16:26.18 | smootar | How close are we to having svnrm integration testable? |
| 16:27.00 | TimRiker | I don't think we handle all the use cases we want to. I'm not comfortable pushing it to production. |
| 16:27.16 | TimRiker | I'm close to comfortable pushing it but not yet enabling it. |
| 16:27.31 | smootar | nods. |
| 16:27.49 | scgallafent | I've added a setting to enable/disable Google Groups integration. How deeply should that feature work. Should I enable/disable code in the Projects model to the point that it doesn't even care if the fields are in the database? |
| 16:28.03 | smootar | Could we be ready for the South Maine Chapter to test this on our Service day? |
| 16:28.07 | scgallafent | (After yesterday's adventure, I lean toward yes) |
| 16:28.25 | TimRiker | scgallafent, as long as the site runs, I'm good. |
| 16:28.26 | smootar | scgallafent, I would like to better understand how that affects our users. |
| 16:28.45 | smootar | Having a robust site that handles no data is always good. |
| 16:28.48 | scgallafent | It's more of a "how doesn't it affect development." |
| 16:29.09 | smootar | right. |
| 16:29.10 | scgallafent | If I go all the way, the existing code would run even if the columns related to GGroups haven't been added to the table. |
| 16:29.56 | TimRiker | I'm thinking sql files should create the fields and code should expect them there, just not do anything if disabled. |
| 16:30.20 | smootar | nods |
| 16:30.36 | scgallafent | looks at clock |
| 16:30.38 | scgallafent | May want to finish this discussion after the meeting. |
| 16:30.43 | smootar | Agreed. |
| 16:30.50 | smootar | dlhace anything? |
| 16:31.00 | smootar | Anything for dlhace? |
| 16:31.27 | TimRiker | dlhace, do we have any way to get to the new recprop box externally? should I just add a proxypass someplace to test till we're setup? |
| 16:31.37 | smootar | I am taking the day off today to winterize my yard and horses. |
| 16:31.45 | smootar | I haven't had a chance to do that yet. |
| 16:31.50 | smootar | So I won't be online today. |
| 16:31.50 | TimRiker | it's running apache now, but not yet deployed recprop |
| 16:32.04 | scgallafent | wonders how you winterize a horse |
| 16:32.09 | TimRiker | what? no irc in the yard? |
| 16:32.13 | smootar | tdeforest, could you talk to the South Maine Chapter without me? |
| 16:32.37 | smootar | I have IRC in the yard, no clean hands to touch the screen/keyboard. |
| 16:32.39 | TimRiker | installs an irc client on smootar's phone |
| 16:32.41 | tdeforest | sure. testing on service day sounds like a great option |
| 16:32.51 | TimRiker | ahh. need that siri irc interface. |
| 16:33.04 | smootar | TimRiker, and scgallafent should be able to provide guidance on testing. |
| 16:33.15 | smootar | We should also have a service missionary starting in a couple of weeks. |
| 16:33.23 | smootar | He is QA, and will be here in the ROB. |
| 16:33.28 | TimRiker | "Try to break stuff. Write down what breaks." |
| 16:33.35 | smootar | :) |
| 16:33.43 | TimRiker | happy to help |
| 16:33.52 | smootar | Test scenarios to help them break stuff would be good. |
| 16:33.53 | tdeforest | lol |
| 16:33.56 | smootar | :) |
| 16:34.16 | smootar | ************************************************* |
| 16:34.17 | smootar | ***** End - LDSTech Meeting - 18 NOV 2011 ******* |
| 16:34.17 | smootar | ************************************************* |
| 16:34.19 | smootar | Thanks you guys. |
| 16:34.28 | TimRiker | what are they planning to test? ldstech? recprop? etc? |
| 16:34.43 | smootar | Winterizing horses is more sprinklers removed for the winter. ....... |
| 16:35.03 | smootar | Clearing water out of sprinkler lines. |
| 16:35.06 | smootar | I had them |
| 16:35.06 | TimRiker | didn't know horses had sprinklers. LOL |
| 16:35.11 | tdeforest | smootar: suggested testing google groups. we could also have them test svnrm |
| 16:35.23 | tdeforest | if svnrm is testable by then |
| 16:35.24 | smootar | nods |
| 16:35.28 | scgallafent | Do you blow out sprinkler lines down there for the winter? |
| 16:35.49 | TimRiker | scgallafent, if we're not too lazy, yes. |
| 16:35.50 | smootar | I don't for my yard, but I do for my horse pasture. |
| 16:35.57 | smootar | I had lines break a couple of years ago. |
| 16:36.20 | smootar | So I am motivated to do it. |
| 16:36.32 | smootar | Well, I'm off. Have a great day. |
| 16:36.36 | TimRiker | cya |
| 16:37.21 | scgallafent | TimRiker, my thought with going deep into the model is that then it works if the database hasn't been configured to match. |
| 16:37.31 | scgallafent | waves goodbye to smootar |
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| 16:38.00 | scgallafent | The problem I was running into yesterday was the jos_ts_projects.ContactID wasn't in the table, so I got an error every time the model tried to read that value. |
| 16:38.11 | TimRiker | scgallafent, any reason to expect that? if the fields are there, old code would still work, yes? might as well make an sql file that adds them, no? |
| 16:38.24 | scgallafent | I've got an SQL file that adds them. |
| 16:38.39 | scgallafent | Old code works with new fields. New codes doesn't work with old fields. |
| 16:38.56 | scgallafent | There has to be a gospel application there. :) |
| 16:40.24 | scgallafent | The downside I see is that it creates some code that is eventually fairly useless, but benign. |
| 16:40.35 | TimRiker | np. that's ok with me. |
| 16:40.39 | scgallafent | I don't particularly like useless code, even if it is benign. |
| 16:40.46 | scgallafent | I'll probably go ahead and add it. |
| 16:40.53 | TimRiker | update35.sql adds ContactID. |
| 16:41.53 | scgallafent | I had tdeforest check the database and finally discovered that update35.sql wasn't reflected in Joomla15.sql. |
| 16:42.09 | TimRiker | probaly not 36 either. |
| 16:42.28 | scgallafent | 36 is in Joomla15 |
| 16:42.35 | scgallafent | It dropped a table. |
| 16:42.42 | TimRiker | kewel |
| 16:43.31 | scgallafent | Until you get a chance to fix the issue with Jira location, anyone that loads a fresh copy of the database has to manually fix things before they can get into talent pool admin. Should I make the appropriate change to Joomla15? |
| 16:43.53 | scgallafent | The change would point it to cdev Jira by default. |
| 16:46.18 | TimRiker | that would be sane |
| 16:46.40 | scgallafent | It would make me sane, for sure! :) |
| 16:46.42 | scgallafent | I'll change it. |
| 17:02.28 | tdeforest | i've dialed into the conference call with the southern maine chapter. no one else has joined. if anyone wants to participate the id is 2081 |
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| 19:40.54 | tdeforest | TimRiker: have you had a chance to review jc taylaran's qualifications for the PM position in Cebu? |
| 19:49.20 | josephscott | tdeforest: how did the conf call go last night? |
| 19:50.49 | tdeforest | notsogood |
| 19:51.01 | tdeforest | i was the only one in attendance |
| 19:52.57 | josephscott | no one from cebu showed up? ouch |
| 19:53.22 | tdeforest | :) I'll keep trying |
| 19:55.26 | tdeforest | i had a good meeting with a newly formed Southern Maine chapter today. that made up for it :) |
| 19:55.56 | josephscott | cool |
| 19:56.09 | josephscott | how many people were there for that? |
| 19:56.15 | tdeforest | 4 |
| 19:56.24 | tdeforest | with one in absentia |
| 19:56.35 | tdeforest | so they have a good sized group |
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| 20:32.04 | TimRiker | tdeforest, what are we planning for him? he has tech qualifications, but I don't see any info on development. I'm not sure what we're interviewing for. |
| 20:32.57 | tdeforest | he is interviewing for PM. |
| 20:35.39 | tdeforest | TimRiker todd westra said that he qualifications we used for missionary project managers were a good fit |
| 20:36.07 | TimRiker | hmm. he's been working in the right area, but I don't see any lead experience. Do we have others in the running? |
| 20:36.40 | tdeforest | just one who hasn't sent me his resume yet |
| 20:37.02 | TimRiker | k. I think I'm in a wait and see attitude right now then. |
| 20:37.49 | TimRiker | have you talked to him? are you expecting I will? |
| 20:38.46 | tdeforest | i spoke with him. he has been managing a couple of employees for the past 6 months. i don't know why his resume doesn't reflect this. |
| 20:39.03 | TimRiker | hehe. good question. |
| 20:41.00 | tdeforest | i recommend talking to him. he seems like a strong candidate to me. i'm very interested in hearing your opinion after you get to talk to him. |
| 20:41.50 | TimRiker | ok. how do I set up a time? you used skype? email from resume? |
| 20:44.55 | tdeforest | i used Skype to initially contact him - jc.taylaran |
| 20:51.41 | TimRiker | k |
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| 21:28.29 | xol | hi TimRiker |
| 21:28.40 | TimRiker | waves |
| 21:29.43 | xol | How's life? |
| 21:29.57 | TimRiker | can't complain. but sometimes I still do |
| 21:30.15 | xol | :-) |
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| 23:21.27 | Kathryn_ | Hey all, does anyone have experience holding a video conference with someone outside the firewall? |
| 23:22.36 | macnewbold | Kathryn_: both parties outside the firewall, or one in one out? |
| 23:22.52 | Kathryn_ | A group of 5 inside, and 1 out.l |
| 23:22.54 | Kathryn_ | We |
| 23:23.03 | Kathryn_ | We're doing job interviews with remote candidates. |
| 23:23.31 | Kathryn_ | Skype didn't seem to be a good solution with an innterview panel. |
| 23:23.45 | Kathryn_ | meant interview |
| 23:23.54 | macnewbold | are the 5 inside all together, or each at their own computer? |
| 23:24.02 | Kathryn_ | No, all together. |
| 23:24.05 | macnewbold | hm |
| 23:25.25 | josephscott | I think skype supports multiple people doing video |
| 23:26.03 | josephscott | not sure how many other group video options there are, that people already have setup |
| 23:26.04 | macnewbold | skype is what i keep coming back to. I'm quite sure it works through the firewall. |
| 23:27.47 | Kathryn_ | josephscott, would each person have to have their laptop to make skype work for all of us? |
| 23:27.50 | scgallafent | PVC - http://pvc.lds.org/ |
| 23:28.12 | Kathryn_ | We tried to get PVC to work with video conferencing equipment and were unsuccessful. |
| 23:28.33 | josephscott | Kathryn_: yes |
| 23:28.56 | Kathryn_ | josephscott, thanks. |
| 23:28.58 | josephscott | unless they all stood in front of one system |
| 23:29.26 | Kathryn_ | :) And with a little web cam, that could get crowded :) |
| 23:30.01 | josephscott | yep, so unless you can get one of the setups at the riverton building working I'm not sure what other good options there are |
| 23:33.13 | Kathryn_ | . |
| 23:33.14 | Kathryn_ | Thanks, everyone, for the input. |
| 23:33.34 | macnewbold | an external camera would be your best bet on skype i think |
| 23:49.48 | Kathryn_ | macnewbold, thanks! |