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| 14:51.26 | tdeforest | howdy josephscott |
| 14:51.54 | josephscott | hi |
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| 15:00.56 | smootar | ************************************************* |
| 15:00.56 | smootar | ***** Begin - LDSTech Meeting - 31 OCT 2011 ***** |
| 15:00.56 | smootar | ************************************************* |
| 15:01.01 | smootar | Who is here for our meeting? |
| 15:01.10 | tdeforest | here |
| 15:01.22 | macnewbold | is lurking |
| 15:01.29 | smootar | :) |
| 15:01.45 | smootar | tdeforest, do you want to start? |
| 15:01.49 | tdeforest | sure |
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| 15:02.52 | tdeforest | josh bentley is still planning on starting his southern maine chapter. says he has 3-4 people. smootar would you like him to contact you as part of starting a new chapter? |
| 15:03.16 | smootar | Yes, I will plan to do that. |
| 15:03.25 | tdeforest | ok |
| 15:03.30 | tdeforest | Still working on a busy Bishop to get his son's story |
| 15:03.39 | smootar | Josh has already put it on the wiki page. |
| 15:03.40 | KFitz | Wasabi Blue Diamond Almonds ftw |
| 15:03.50 | tdeforest | smootar: yes |
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| 15:04.08 | tdeforest | in the upcoming chapters section. i asked him to add the location when it is finalized |
| 15:04.25 | smootar | great. |
| 15:04.27 | TimRiker | moins |
| 15:04.39 | smootar | moin |
| 15:05.09 | tdeforest | i am working out more interface items for swarm - stats views is one thing i haven't done yet |
| 15:05.57 | tdeforest | btw, thank you for meeting with me friday (josephscott smootar and KFitz ) that was very productive |
| 15:06.15 | smootar | tdeforest, that is looking quite good. Nice work! |
| 15:06.34 | tdeforest | thank you! |
| 15:07.48 | smootar | yw |
| 15:07.58 | tdeforest | it still needs developer resources. josephscott has it ready. i don't know if he has time to continue developing it. |
| 15:08.18 | josephscott | I've been thinking about some of the DB items for it |
| 15:08.28 | josephscott | I'll ask a few questions after this meeting |
| 15:08.37 | tdeforest | great. thank you |
| 15:09.23 | tdeforest | that is all |
| 15:09.55 | smootar | thank you. |
| 15:09.59 | smootar | TimRiker? |
| 15:11.02 | TimRiker | pushed out the paginated user's list in prep for adding resyning tools. I'm working on actually adding the jira resyncing now. I'm also looking to add the svn resync to the same tool. |
| 15:11.21 | TimRiker | the interface could use some testing. feedback welcome. |
| 15:11.48 | TimRiker | I do notice one bug in the system. if the item limit is the same as the page size, the limit gets reset to "show all". |
| 15:11.52 | smootar | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:12.16 | TimRiker | in test this is annoying. in production it should rarely occur. looks like it's a joomla issue. |
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| 15:12.50 | TimRiker | yes under the module configuration. I have now replaced the old user list with the new paginated one. |
| 15:13.53 | TimRiker | larry has been working on icp a bit. I hope to see him update svn tree so that others can join in soon. |
| 15:13.57 | TimRiker | that's it for me. |
| 15:14.24 | smootar | Note about Larry. He plans to work on ICP all day every Friday and join us on the 1st floor. |
| 15:14.49 | smootar | Thx TimRiker |
| 15:14.50 | josephscott | was wondering what had happened with ICP |
| 15:14.56 | smootar | KFitz ? |
| 15:16.02 | smootar | KFtiz just sent me account information for Enterprise Tester. |
| 15:16.05 | KFitz | I got enterprise tester working with a test jira account |
| 15:16.09 | KFitz | its really cool |
| 15:16.25 | KFitz | I setup Tom with an account also and emailed him the info |
| 15:16.39 | KFitz | the more I use it the more I like it |
| 15:17.02 | KFitz | Requirements -- Test Cases -- Defects |
| 15:17.13 | tdeforest | got the email |
| 15:17.19 | smootar | It integrates with Jira, correct? |
| 15:17.23 | KFitz | yup |
| 15:17.30 | KFitz | through a sync |
| 15:17.38 | smootar | Have you setup the integration? |
| 15:17.42 | tdeforest | we should have KFitz do a demo sometime |
| 15:17.42 | smootar | sync? |
| 15:17.44 | KFitz | come by after the meeting and I will give you a better demo |
| 15:18.35 | smootar | Meetingplace for remote dudes like tdeforest? |
| 15:18.38 | TimRiker | is this a swarm solution? or a different useful tool? |
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| 15:19.27 | smootar | KFitz is looking into this to see if this would be a place for the Swarm Repository to exist. |
| 15:19.38 | smootar | KFitz, is that correct? |
| 15:19.58 | KFitz | its a different tool TimRiker |
| 15:20.18 | KFitz | however, it would be nice to use it as the repository for swarm test cases (maybe) |
| 15:20.20 | TimRiker | k |
| 15:20.22 | josephscott | would definitely like to know about a swarm replacements before putting more time into it :-) |
| 15:20.37 | KFitz | there arnet any that I know of Joseph |
| 15:21.03 | smootar | josephscott, it doesn't do the end user experience that we are looking to do with Swarm. |
| 15:21.05 | KFitz | there are tons of test case management tools, but not ones that allow for non-testers to run thrugh test cases easily |
| 15:21.10 | josephscott | ok |
| 15:21.18 | josephscott | gotcha |
| 15:21.35 | smootar | It is a good tool for trained QA guys. |
| 15:21.42 | KFitz | I guess the question is, how tightly integrated do we want the two to be.. |
| 15:22.15 | KFitz | also, I am running Enterprise Tester on a SQL Express DB… not a great long term solution |
| 15:22.27 | KFitz | but should be enough to poke around the tables |
| 15:22.49 | smootar | Does it support MySQL? |
| 15:22.54 | KFitz | si |
| 15:23.05 | smootar | cool |
| 15:23.14 | KFitz | Oracle, MS SQL, MySQL, etc |
| 15:23.36 | KFitz | I just did SQL Express because it was easy |
| 15:24.42 | KFitz | if we look long term, I would imagine Howards team would take ownership over it. IE I dont have it hooked into a real Jira, its just a demo jira, I also dont have it hooked into LDAP |
| 15:25.21 | smootar | ok |
| 15:25.25 | KFitz | also not sure who will fork the bill for it |
| 15:25.53 | josephscott | who is the sponsor for the swarm project? |
| 15:25.58 | KFitz | Alan |
| 15:26.20 | smootar | nods |
| 15:26.38 | smootar | KFitz, is the customer. |
| 15:27.01 | tdeforest | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot_the_bill |
| 15:27.07 | KFitz | for Enterprise Tester it would either be our portfolio director or the solutions teams (depending on how widespread it gets used) |
| 15:27.11 | smootar | We anticipate that it will be a tool many will want to use. |
| 15:28.22 | smootar | KFitz, anything else? |
| 15:28.49 | KFitz | I have showed the prototypes to all of my peers, and they all want it for the community projects they have, or for internal "bug bashes" |
| 15:28.54 | KFitz | no nothing else |
| 15:29.04 | smootar | Thx KFitz |
| 15:29.22 | smootar | scgallafent, or macnewbold any comments or lurking reviews? |
| 15:29.49 | josephscott | is reminded of his job title at $day_job http://automattic.com/about/ |
| 15:31.02 | smootar | :) |
| 15:31.13 | smootar | reads josephscott blog |
| 15:31.30 | smootar | ************************************************* |
| 15:31.31 | smootar | ***** End - LDSTech Meeting - 31 OCT 2011 ******* |
| 15:31.31 | smootar | ************************************************* |
| 15:31.33 | smootar | Thanks you guys. |
| 15:31.58 | smootar | Reminder that Swarm, Google Groups and SVNRM Integration is the priority. |
| 15:32.24 | josephscott | I can spend some more time on swarm, but there is also recprop work to be done |
| 15:34.07 | tdeforest | thanks josephscott. how much time do you have to spend on swarm? smootar has made it the priority but i know you are already working on recprop and other things like the aforementioned $day_job |
| 15:34.11 | smootar | nods |
| 15:34.47 | smootar | josephscott, I agree. Thanks for all of your work on everything. |
| 15:35.30 | josephscott | I can probably squeeze in a few hours here and there |
| 15:35.49 | josephscott | oh, now the at the meeting is done, a few questions |
| 15:36.00 | josephscott | does each project have a canonical slug? |
| 15:36.37 | TimRiker | a what? |
| 15:36.42 | tdeforest | we have nasty urls in joomla so I can't say. maybe TimRiker knows. |
| 15:37.01 | josephscott | like bsir for Bishops Storehouse |
| 15:37.18 | josephscott | cpas for Child Protection Act System |
| 15:37.42 | TimRiker | most new projects use the same abbreviation for jira and svn, but old projects did not. |
| 15:38.10 | josephscott | that isn't enforced in the DB some where? |
| 15:38.22 | TimRiker | we don't store the short name anywhere other than parsing it off the svn link or something. |
| 15:38.30 | josephscott | would be nice to have an authoritative abbr for each proejct |
| 15:38.37 | TimRiker | agrees |
| 15:39.00 | josephscott | so that something like swarm could use them a foreign ids, for each project |
| 15:39.17 | TimRiker | version control will likely use all lower case, and jira enforces all upper case. |
| 15:39.38 | josephscott | which brings us back to an API for projects |
| 15:39.50 | TimRiker | nods |
| 15:40.03 | josephscott | seriously, jira forces all upper? |
| 15:40.12 | TimRiker | yes |
| 15:40.24 | josephscott | ~lart jira all uppercase design |
| 15:40.24 | infobot | nabs the moon and broadsides jira all uppercase design with the sea of tranquility |
| 15:40.39 | TimRiker | and I don't think it allows numerics either. just upper case alpha |
| 15:40.47 | josephscott | dashes? |
| 15:40.52 | TimRiker | nope |
| 15:41.31 | josephscott | well, I guess we know what the lowest common requirement is now |
| 15:41.48 | TimRiker | heh |
| 15:41.56 | josephscott | we can deal with jira upper case as a special case, if everything else had a consistent lower case abbr |
| 15:42.20 | josephscott | attempts to channel the steve jobs reality distortion field |
| 15:43.05 | macnewbold | ~lart uppercase |
| 15:43.05 | infobot | does a little 'renice 20 -u uppercase' |
| 15:43.08 | TimRiker | nods |
| 15:43.09 | macnewbold | or rather |
| 15:43.11 | macnewbold | ~LART UPPERCASE |
| 15:43.11 | infobot | wallops UPPERCASE with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing. It won't take long |
| 15:50.38 | tdeforest | josephscott: any other questions? |
| 15:51.27 | josephscott | that was the main one, I think I'll still just assume there is a legit abbr for each project when it comes to swarm |
| 15:51.45 | tdeforest | k |
| 15:52.07 | josephscott | unfortunately without an API we will likely be duplicating some data :-( |
| 15:52.44 | macnewbold | TimRiker: when you are at a good point, i still wanted to ask for some pointers on where I might be able to get some of the stats for measuring project activity for LDSTECH-306 - I'm hoping there's a database or API I can use, rather than trying to screen scrape the svn stats pages. |
| 15:52.51 | macnewbold | here or in email is fine |
| 15:53.01 | macnewbold | or on the jira ticket would work too. whatever you prefer |
| 15:53.48 | TimRiker | macnewbold, there's not any api anywhere that I know of. |
| 15:54.01 | tdeforest | josephscott: duplicate data is less than ideal. |
| 15:54.15 | TimRiker | the tool that runs stats could be updated to push information someplace. statsvn is open source. |
| 15:54.28 | josephscott | tdeforest: agreed |
| 15:54.55 | TimRiker | would be nice to find a way to track project progress in jira as part of activity. |
| 15:55.12 | TimRiker | I don't know if there's a soap interface that's useful for that. |
| 15:55.33 | tdeforest | josephscott: i would so love to have an api |
| 15:56.49 | josephscott | well, I think we are at a point were less than ideal progress is better than waiting for the perfection, that may or may not come later |
| 15:58.34 | tdeforest | josephscott: k. let's move forward as best we can. |
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| 15:59.43 | tdeforest | I'll spend some cycles on checking the team list for anyone that might be interested in developing an ldstech api. |
| 16:08.06 | macnewbold | TimRiker: are there any activity-related metrics that would be easy/easier to get to at the moment? Or should I start by screen scraping the svn stats? |
| 16:08.38 | TimRiker | macnewbold, I'd recommend you look at statsvn and see if you can get it to export something when it runs every night. |
| 16:09.05 | TimRiker | perhaps it already records some useful stats in files. I dunno. |
| 16:09.13 | macnewbold | k. is the installed version modified, or is it exactly what i get from public repos? |
| 16:09.24 | macnewbold | is there a way to peek at what's on the server where it runs? |
| 16:10.25 | TimRiker | it's the public patched version. the "production" version had a bug. I don't remember the details. /me pokes at it. |
| 16:12.17 | TimRiker | there's a statsvn-0.7.0.jar there as well as a newer statsvn.jar dated sept 14 2010 |
| 16:14.29 | TimRiker | sends the script and jars to macnewbold in email. |
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| 16:16.33 | TimRiker | macnewbold, the script using file:// reference for projects, but you should be able to use https:// remotely. just more overhead. |
| 16:17.00 | macnewbold | thanks TimRiker |
| 16:17.22 | macnewbold | ewww jar files? it's in Java? blech |
| 16:17.24 | macnewbold | oh well |
| 16:17.40 | macnewbold | time to shake the 10+ year old rust off my java skillz |
| 16:18.13 | TimRiker | you might be able to find useful data in the files in creates. just process the output. |
| 16:26.53 | TimRiker | needs some non-member test users in coda... |
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| 19:04.51 | scgallafent | is here after a well-earned twelve hour nap |
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| 19:30.02 | TimRiker | scgallafent, what? where is the band to wake you up? :) |
| 19:30.28 | scgallafent | Most of the band is probably in class ... asleep. |
| 19:40.12 | TimRiker | heh |
| 19:50.22 | josephscott | scgallafent: I got the property banner image NICE started |
| 19:50.41 | josephscott | if you look at templates/nice/property-banner.php you can put in the update/crop feature there |
| 19:50.47 | scgallafent | OK. I'll poke at it in a little bit. |
| 19:52.02 | josephscott | were using jcrop before or something else? |
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| 19:59.29 | scgallafent | josephscott ... looking. |
| 20:00.00 | scgallafent | imgAreaSelect |
| 20:01.19 | josephscott | cool, I hadn't looked at that one |
| 20:05.39 | TimRiker | http://docs.atlassian.com/software/jira/docs/api/rpc-jira-plugin/latest/com/atlassian/jira/rpc/soap/JiraSoapService.html |
| 20:10.11 | josephscott | hey atlassian, 1999 called, they want their API back ;-) |
| 20:11.39 | scgallafent | is glad he wasn't drinking milk |
| 20:18.08 | tdeforest | heh |
| 20:19.58 | smootar | lol |
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