IRC log for #ldstech on 20111024

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15:17.44TimRikeryea!
15:17.47smootar:)
15:18.20smootarKFitz, do you know if dlhace has the server setup for the Scheduler?
15:18.25tdeforestnice
15:18.28smootarHe was going to set that up last week.
15:18.33KFitzunknown
15:18.58smootarIs dlhace going to be here today?
15:19.14KFitzas far as I know.  I havent heard anything contrary
15:19.23smootarOK.
15:19.31smootarDo you have anything KFitz?
15:20.31smootarKFitz, Swarm is up and running now without a db.  It was just checked in.
15:21.01TimRikerare we WAM enabled in the test? or is jadmin hardcoded?
15:21.14tdeforestnot wam-enabled yet
15:21.23tdeforestusing ldap i believe
15:22.33KFitzI dont have anything
15:22.41smootark
15:22.52KFitzwhere is swarm up and running
15:23.02tdeforestTimRiker: http://lds.org/cm
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15:23.10josephscotthttp://cdev.lds.org/swarm/
15:23.24josephscottand it just uses ldap, I've only tried it with jadmin
15:23.57smootarI do have a new LDSTech Chapter Manager that is wanting to organize quite a large group.
15:24.08TimRikertdeforest, yeah, might try the feedback link there. Don't know who runs that
15:24.18smootarHe is proposing to organize in 4 areas.
15:24.54KFitzSwarm is considerably different than the original design
15:25.01smootar1 - Technical, 2 - Missionary, 3 - Blogging.
15:25.23tdeforestKFitz: this is just proof-of-concept
15:25.27josephscottKFitz: yes, I didn't work on moving over the UI, just getting some code up and working
15:25.28smootarThe 4th area is to collaborate more with the other managers.
15:25.50KFitzyeah, its the flow that I think we need to chat about
15:27.00smootarThe LDSTech Scheduler needs to be setup, and that project is about ready for that.
15:27.32smootarAs soon as we are ready, I'm pushing to have that setup so that people can start registering for the LDSTech Conference at the end of March.
15:28.12smootarWe will be looking for LDSTech involvement when we visit there Nov 7-11
15:28.41smootarThere are a few other things going on, but I think we are out of time.
15:29.03smootarKFitz, do you want to continue after our meeting on the flow of Swarm?
15:29.13smootarIs there anything else we need to talk about?
15:29.27smootar*************************************************
15:29.27smootar***** End - LDSTech Meeting - 24 OCT 2011 *******
15:29.27smootar*************************************************
15:29.31smootarThanks everyone for joining.
15:29.55smootarhoping dlhace will show up so that we can chat about servers.
15:30.14KFitzyeah I havent heard that he was going to be out today
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15:30.23smootarjust saw dlhace.
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15:30.41TimRikerwatches X blowup
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15:32.56smootar~x en pt watches X blowup
15:33.04TimRikerhehe
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15:44.32smootarmoin dbkjar
15:44.54dbkjarGood morning, smootar
15:46.33smootardbkjar, are you holding your LDSTech Chapter meeting on Nov 4th or on another day?
15:46.41smootarJust looking at: http://tech.lds.org/wiki/index.php/LDSTech_Service_Days
15:47.23smootarIt looks like we have a new Permian Basin Chapter in Texas just getting started.
15:47.42dbkjarI'll poll my list to see if the timeslot is what's getting in the way of more participation.
15:48.06smootarThat would be great.
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16:00.53infobotOn #ldstech, there have been 5 Joins, 2 Ops, 49 PublicMsgs and 2 SignOffs.  At the moment, 6 Opped and 21 Total.  matsy has said the most with a total of 63 messages.
16:01.45smootarWho is matsy?
16:02.12smootarIs matsy from yester-year?
16:03.11TimRikerlooks like infobot is pulling most active from all channels, and not just the requested channel.
16:03.27smootarAhhh
16:03.40TimRiker~chaninfo
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16:03.47josephscott~lolstats
16:03.47infobottotal count of lol on #ldstech: 29.  Top 3: techgurufloyd -- 5 (17.2%), simph1 -- 4 (13.8%), tdeforest -- 3 (10.3%)
16:04.07josephscottguess we aren't very funny in here
16:04.10TimRikerlots of useful stats. :)
16:04.26tdeforestjosephscott: lol
16:04.38smootar:)
16:04.40tdeforesti'm gunning for first place
16:04.51TimRikerlol
16:05.00smootarlol
16:05.07smootarI'm voting for you.
16:05.50TimRiker~lolstats
16:05.50infobottotal count of lol on #ldstech: 31.  Top 3: techgurufloyd -- 5 (16.1%), simph1 -- 4 (12.9%), smootar -- 3 (9.7%)
16:05.59TimRikerheh
16:06.09tdeforesti'd lol again but that might be too many lol's at once and people may not take me seriously
16:06.16TimRikerlol
16:07.55TimRiker~:)stats
16:07.55infobottotal count of :) on #ldstech: 197.  Top 3: smootar -- 90 (45.7%), TimRiker -- 48 (24.4%), kathryngz -- 26 (13.2%)
16:08.20smootarsmootar smiles too much.
16:08.30smootar:)
16:09.02smootar~hehestats
16:09.16TimRiker~lolstats tdeforest
16:09.16infobottdeforest has said lol 3 times (9.4 %), ranked 5/14 (percentile: 35.7 %)
16:09.40smootarCan you do hehe stats?
16:10.09TimRiker~hehstats
16:10.09infobottotal count of heh on #ldstech: 14.  Top 2: TimRiker -- 13 (92.9%), mgeary -- 1 (7.1%)
16:10.21josephscott~lartstats
16:10.25josephscotthmmm
16:10.39TimRikernot on the list at the moment
16:10.51TimRiker~?stats
16:10.51infobottotal count of ? on #ldstech: 9.  Top 3: techgurufloyd -- 3 (33.3%), kathryngz -- 3 (33.3%), smootar -- 1 (11.1%)
16:11.16TimRikerhmm.. actually, hehe should be on the list
16:11.21TimRiker~hehestats
16:11.26TimRiker~hahastats
16:12.09josephscott~hohostats
16:12.20TimRiker~chanset _default ircTextCounters
16:12.20infobotircTextCounters for _default is 'heh hah :) ? hi lol'
16:12.28TimRikerok. so there ya go.
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16:59.50smootartdeforest, the current swarm on cdev is quite a bit different than your original design.
17:00.34smootartdeforest, I'm assuming that is because of not being able to get coderjeff's stuff running correct?
17:09.59macnewboldsmootar: if i understand it right, yes. This replaced laravel with the same framework we're using in recprop camping
17:10.48smootarmacnewbold, thanks.
17:15.45macnewboldis it possible to get commit access to swarm?
17:15.53smootarYes.
17:16.33smootarI'm assuming your ldsaccount is the same as your irc name?
17:16.47macnewboldit is
17:17.15smootarOK, you should have rights.
17:17.47macnewboldawesome, thanks
17:17.48macnewbold:-)
17:18.07macnewboldhm, does it have caching?
17:18.38macnewbolddoh, i lied on accident
17:18.42macnewboldmy ldsaccount is newbold
17:18.47macnewboldirc is macnewbold
17:18.52macnewboldso they are not the same :-/
17:19.30macnewboldjosephscott: when you have time, I think i may need some hints about what proper values for my config.local are for the lds account stuff. it's not my own lds account un/pw is it?
17:21.33josephscottoh, for swarm?
17:21.41TimRikermacnewbold, we normally use cdir for testing. currently this uses the CODA accounts.
17:21.56macnewboldyes, for swarm.
17:22.01TimRikerthere's a list of test accounts on the ldstech wik page here:
17:22.05macnewboldah, excellent
17:22.07smootarOK, I will fix it.
17:22.11josephscottsmootar: that swarm code is some thing I wrote from scratch to get things working on LDSTech servers
17:22.15macnewboldsorry smootar, and thanks double
17:22.24TimRikerhttps://tech.lds.org/wiki/Tech.lds.org#Test_system
17:24.07smootarjosephscott, very cool.
17:24.22smootarmacnewbold, you should be good to go.
17:24.40macnewboldyay, thanks, looks like it worked
17:26.43macnewboldwow, josephscott - very slick. I'm all logged in, and can report my test results easily
17:26.44smootar:)
17:27.03smootarThanks for the work on this you guys.
17:27.07josephscottmacnewbold: let me know what you think of the swarm code arrangement, that includes elements that I worked on simplifying
17:27.21josephscottwell, there is no DB to actually save stuff yet :-)
17:27.29macnewboldit reminds me a lot of recprop, and seems well organized
17:27.46josephscottthis was mostly to get us on par with what the previous swarm code base did, which was more or less a live demo
17:27.57macnewboldi like that it doesn't depend on laravel anymore. I had never heard of it before, doubt i will again, and it adds to the learning curve to start up and help build stuff.
17:28.08josephscottbasically thing recprop + lots of simplification work
17:28.13macnewboldits nice
17:28.51macnewboldbtw, i just committed a sample .htaccess to go in the /swarm/ folder, if you don't have /swarm/web/ set up as the document root for apache
17:29.02macnewboldjust forces everything to get rewritten into /web/
17:29.22josephscottand it was a good excuse to play with bootstrap - http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/ - even though it will likely be replaced with the actual swarm wireframes :-)
17:29.33macnewboldnice, i'll have to check that out
17:30.17josephscottmacnewbold: ok, you may want to commit a prop update then to ignore real .htaccess in that dir
17:30.28josephscottso that it doesn't get committed from someone by accident
17:33.10macnewboldjosephscott: already done :)
17:33.14macnewboldi had the same thought
17:33.17josephscottcool, thanks
17:33.24macnewboldbootstrap looks sweet.
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18:23.26tdeforestsmootar: it will only look different for now. josephscott was just getting together a proof-of-concept to make sure what he was doing would work on cdev. this is by now means intended to represent a change of direction for swarm. please tell kfitz to keep his pants on.
18:24.09josephscottsee, now there is the diff between riverton office and my day job, at my day job pants are optional ;-)
18:25.58tdeforestlol
18:27.22smootarsquirming
18:27.28smootar:)
18:28.07smootartdeforest, KFitz still has his on, but he is being noisy about it.
18:29.18smootarjosephscott, do you get notified (other than your IRC client) that your username has been used in IRC?
18:29.54josephscottmy IRC client has an alert set for 'josephscott' (and a few other things for work)
18:30.22smootarDo you have a custom bot for work that notifies you when your name gets mentioned?
18:30.28smootarOn work channels?
18:30.40scgallafent's does it automatically
18:31.03josephscottwe have custom bots for work channels, but none of them do that, I just rely on the alert settings for my client for that
18:31.31josephscottwe have a few different channels that are mostly just bots streaming in various data points
18:31.50smootarI remember you mentioning one time that you are notified (I thought without being on the channel) when you have been mentioned in converstation.
18:31.56smootarAm I dreaming?
18:32.07josephscottnagios alerts, blog posts, processing time for items we want to keep an eye on, etc.
18:32.18josephscottohhh, that wasn't for IRC
18:32.24josephscottthat was for our internal blogs
18:32.25smootarahhhh
18:32.33smootarBlogs only, not IRC.
18:32.52smootarI'm with ya.
18:33.02josephscottso if anyone mentions my name on one of our internal blogs I get an IM with the post content and link
18:33.26josephscottI also send some of those alerts to email
18:33.46josephscotteasy to choose different delivery methods for different alerts
18:37.04tdeforestjosephscott: can you give me an intro to the templating system for swarm?
18:37.19josephscottsure
18:38.08josephscottwe've got a function - kuse_template() that runs the template: kuse_template( 'header.php' ); - for instance
18:38.34josephscottthere is a second parameter for template args: kuse_template( 'test.php', array( 'test' => $test ) );
18:39.15josephscottthat second param is an array() for data that the template needs.  to keep things clean templates aren't exposed the global name space
18:39.29josephscottthe template files are all in templates/
18:40.00josephscottand has a pretty basic header / main content / footer break down right now
18:40.31tdeforestnods
18:41.04josephscottif you have several template files for a specific area I recommend putting them in a sub-dir, to provide a little bit of organization, there is an example of that for templates/projects/
18:41.27josephscottand they get called the same way: kuse_template( 'projects/list-tasks.php' );
18:42.19tdeforestit looks like css/js/images should go in web. is that right?
18:42.26josephscottinside the template the parameters you passed in are all stored in $args, like: $args['test']
18:42.48josephscottright, there are dirs for those items in web/ already
18:43.08josephscottanything that has be available via a URL needs to be inside web/
18:43.17tdeforestk
18:44.22tdeforestthat looks pretty clean to be able to call and store stuff in $args whenever you need to
18:44.39josephscottexamples of using templates are in the routes, so take a look at routes/home.php for instance
18:45.13josephscott$args for the template point of view are limited to exactly the data that was passed in with kuse_template() and only that data
18:45.42josephscotttrying to keep global vars and such to a minimum
18:45.46tdeforestk
18:45.53josephscottconstants are always available
18:46.20josephscottso you'll see things like this in templates:
18:46.21josephscott<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="<?php echo K_URL; ?>/css/swarm.css"/>
18:46.55tdeforestnice
18:48.00tdeforestthank you. i think i know what i need to get started
18:48.28josephscottnp
18:52.05tdeforesti'm really excited about this setup. i think it will work great.
18:54.20josephscottshouldn't be too hard to follow the flow, so don't be afraid to dive in :-)
18:56.06tdeforesthehe
18:56.15tdeforestcommences dive
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