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| 14:40.57 | macnewbold | scgallafent: I finished that task, what's the process for getting it reviewed? |
| 14:41.17 | scgallafent | Can you create a patch and send it to me? |
| 14:41.49 | macnewbold | yes, just saw your email |
| 14:41.57 | macnewbold | i'll send it right over |
| 14:42.07 | macnewbold | hopefully the method I used is acceptable |
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| 14:48.01 | scgallafent | macnewbold: I got the file. I'll check on svn this morning and see why it didn't give you write access. |
| 14:50.19 | smootar | I saw that tobychew was looking for some help, was anyone able to help him? |
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| 14:52.22 | scgallafent | smootar: No. He was only here for about two minutes. I saw the message about five minutes after he left. |
| 14:53.28 | smootar | scgallafent, thanks. I wasn't watching at the time he came and asked for help yesterday. |
| 14:54.14 | scgallafent | I'm seeing occasional traffic where someone comes in to ask a question, doesn't get an immediate response, and then leaves. I'm not sure there is an easy solution for that right now. |
| 14:59.21 | josephscott | I wonder if we could have a bot provide more info |
| 14:59.35 | macnewbold | imho seems like a training issue - people new to IRC may not realize that we're not all right here to answer questions immediately. |
| 14:59.42 | macnewbold | agrees with josephscott |
| 15:00.08 | josephscott | or some intelligent log parsing that looks for requests that no one responded and post them some where so that people can follow up async |
| 15:00.11 | macnewbold | a welcomewagon bot would help |
| 15:00.11 | smootar | Agreed. |
| 15:00.19 | scgallafent | macnewbold hit the nail on the head. We don't have enough people here that there is going to be 24x7 coverage. |
| 15:00.38 | smootar | ************************************************* |
| 15:00.39 | smootar | ***** Begin - LDSTech Meeting - 3 OCT 2011 ***** |
| 15:00.39 | smootar | ************************************************* |
| 15:00.44 | smootar | Who is here for our meeting? |
| 15:00.50 | scgallafent | me |
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| 15:01.17 | tdeforest | and me |
| 15:01.25 | smootar | moin dlhace |
| 15:01.32 | smootar | and all. |
| 15:02.07 | dlhace | hello |
| 15:02.12 | smootar | TimRiker will be joining. |
| 15:02.14 | tdeforest | howdy |
| 15:02.20 | smootar | I see him. |
| 15:02.49 | smootar | I'm guessing everyone enjoyed conference like I did? |
| 15:03.04 | scgallafent | did |
| 15:03.12 | smootar | A second Provo Temple was cool. |
| 15:03.21 | smootar | Any thoughts on what they will call it? |
| 15:03.26 | smootar | Provo2? |
| 15:03.27 | tdeforest | very cool. quite a surprise |
| 15:03.45 | tdeforest | Provo Phoenix Temple |
| 15:03.58 | smootar | laughs |
| 15:04.02 | scgallafent | likes tdeforest's suggestion |
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| 15:04.14 | scgallafent | That breaks the naming scheme for temples, so it will be interesting to see what they decide on. |
| 15:04.37 | tdeforest | agrees with scgallafent |
| 15:05.08 | smootar | A.O. Smoot was the Stake President who pushed to have and helped fund that Tabernacle back in the day. (3 Greats back for me) |
| 15:05.20 | smootar | It was a bummer for my family to see it burn. |
| 15:05.36 | TimRiker | moin |
| 15:05.42 | smootar | moin TimRiker. |
| 15:05.48 | smootar | OK, let's get started. |
| 15:05.51 | tdeforest | smootar: does your family still own the yellow house just down 100 south from there? |
| 15:05.53 | scgallafent | Should be exciting for the family to see it come back. |
| 15:06.16 | smootar | A distant relative owns it if I'm not mistaken. |
| 15:06.27 | smootar | yes. |
| 15:06.36 | tdeforest | nice |
| 15:06.40 | smootar | scgallafent, do you want to start this morning? |
| 15:06.57 | scgallafent | OK |
| 15:07.17 | scgallafent | I was hoping to wrap up the core of GGroups on Saturday, but got distracted between sessions. I'll be working on that today. |
| 15:07.33 | scgallafent | I need to get with TimRiker at some point and look at how we're putting config information into the database for Joomla. |
| 15:08.21 | smootar | nods |
| 15:08.22 | scgallafent | macnewbold sent me a patch this morning. He made his first change to recprop. I'll get that integrated, but I need to have someone look at subversion and see why he can't commit. He's listed with read/write access in svnrm but gets an access denied error. |
| 15:08.23 | TimRiker | scgallafent, I'll move josh's svnrm to the module parameters today. |
| 15:08.42 | scgallafent | TimRiker, let me know when you're done and I'll go look at what you changed. |
| 15:08.45 | TimRiker | scgallafent, lower case username? |
| 15:08.50 | scgallafent | svnrm: Yes. |
| 15:09.10 | scgallafent | It doesn't have his name listed like it does for other users. |
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| 15:09.31 | TimRiker | k. I'll look into it |
| 15:09.35 | scgallafent | Thanks. |
| 15:09.46 | scgallafent | Those are my major items. |
| 15:09.57 | smootar | Thanks. |
| 15:10.06 | smootar | tdeforest updates? |
| 15:10.19 | tdeforest | Resolved LDSTECH-482 - Implement datatables on add project view. This ticket is resolved. |
| 15:10.31 | tdeforest | Started work on chapter management features for LDSTech. These are summed up in tickets 501-504. I started with LDSTECH-501 (https://tech.lds.org/jira/browse/LDSTECH-501) by adding a chapter dropdown to the profile view in the wireframes: http://cdev.lds.org/ldstech/wireframes/contributorProfile.php. |
| 15:11.06 | tdeforest | I assigned LDSTECH-306 (https://tech.lds.org/jira/browse/LDSTECH-306) to Tim - investigating the viability of adding an svn activity graph to the project list so volunteers can gauge project activity before joining. The available projects area on this wireframe shows how it might look: http://cdev.lds.org/ldstech/wireframes/projects.php. |
| 15:11.16 | TimRiker | macnewbold == ldsaccount(newbold) |
| 15:11.32 | tdeforest | I'd like to remove the sidebar from the views within the projects tab. I suspect that the items in that sidebar aren't heavily trafficked from that part of the site. I would like to verify this by reviewing the Omniture stats for those views, especially the clickmap. Can I get access to Omniture so I can see what people click from those views? If those items aren't heavily used, I believe we can make better use of that space. A wider |
| 15:11.33 | tdeforest | column would make it easier to add more info to the project list without having it bunched together. More info would aid in project shopping. |
| 15:12.40 | smootar | Do you need the omniture stats? |
| 15:13.19 | smootar | Or can you get that from our open source viewer of logs? |
| 15:13.23 | tdeforest | the most helpful thing would be to see the click map for each view. this would show me what people are clicking from those views |
| 15:13.24 | smootar | Remind me the name, brain cramp. |
| 15:14.00 | tdeforest | can the logs tell me what people click on each view? |
| 15:14.01 | smootar | TimRiker, do our logs have that info? |
| 15:15.00 | TimRiker | smootar, sure, but we don't yet have anything analysing them other than awstats |
| 15:15.18 | TimRiker | it does not track sessions as well as some other tools. |
| 15:15.33 | smootar | Yes, that is it. http://tech.lds.org/awstats/awstats.pl |
| 15:16.12 | smootar | So, I would start with awstats to see if you can get that info. |
| 15:16.25 | TimRiker | dlhace is running another tool against the logs as well. might be useful to poke around its reports. |
| 15:16.26 | smootar | If it doesn't have it, we will need to look at omniture. |
| 15:16.42 | smootar | dlhace may be able to help with that info. |
| 15:16.52 | tdeforest | k. i'll look at awstats and check with dlhace |
| 15:17.05 | smootar | tdeforest, anything else? |
| 15:17.12 | tdeforest | I will continue work on chapter management tickets and project shopping. that is all. |
| 15:17.23 | smootar | Thx. TimRiker update? |
| 15:18.34 | dlhace | you can use the log tool yourself if you are on the internal Church network. The tool is splunk, the url is splunk1.ldschurch.org and the login is user:regular password:user |
| 15:19.12 | tdeforest | dlhace: thx i'll look at that |
| 15:19.18 | TimRiker | icp.lds.org got denied for external access. the demo stuff is up on the box, and not very secure. security reviewed it thinking it was production code and denied the firewall request to get it externally visible. |
| 15:19.27 | smootar | dlhcae, it does take a little training for it to be useful, correct? |
| 15:20.13 | smootar | icp.lds.org should be the production URL, correct? |
| 15:20.26 | smootar | Shouldn't icp dev be located in cdev? |
| 15:20.31 | TimRiker | I made some slight tweaks Friday to the svnrm code josh committed to unbreak the test site. |
| 15:20.36 | dlhace | it has good help but if you just search for stuff in the url and for the correct host, that will be a good start |
| 15:20.45 | TimRiker | will look into the svnrm more today. |
| 15:21.03 | TimRiker | smootar, no. icp.lds.org will be the production site. cdev.lds.org/icp/ is the dev site. |
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| 15:21.20 | smootar | Ahhhh. |
| 15:21.34 | smootar | So if the security issues get resolved, we can take another go at getting it approved? |
| 15:21.49 | smootar | Or were there more reasons other than security? |
| 15:21.54 | TimRiker | the host is no longer l7780 apparently. I don't know if I ever was told where it got moved to. |
| 15:22.07 | tdeforest | what is icp? |
| 15:22.27 | TimRiker | smootar, yes. I plan to just put up a page pointing to the current production site till we have things locked down more. |
| 15:22.30 | smootar | Inner City Project |
| 15:22.41 | smootar | :) |
| 15:22.43 | tdeforest | ah. nice |
| 15:23.05 | TimRiker | we can work on the cdev site till we're ready to replace the current externally hosted production site. |
| 15:23.19 | TimRiker | http://innercityproject.org/ |
| 15:23.43 | smootar | TimRiker, anything else? |
| 15:24.20 | TimRiker | nope. spent conference weekend in st george with the inlaws. had fun. :) |
| 15:24.27 | smootar | Wahoo |
| 15:24.40 | smootar | dlhace, updates? |
| 15:25.40 | johnsonth | I have a brief update. |
| 15:26.02 | johnsonth | I have a draft of an infographic called "Indicators of a Healthy Project." |
| 15:26.14 | johnsonth | It looks cool but will be better with some more tweaking. |
| 15:26.44 | smootar | Do you want to share it with the group? |
| 15:26.53 | smootar | We will come back to dlhace. |
| 15:26.58 | johnsonth | One of my volunteers who has some graphics skills, Cindy Iverson, is really on fire with creating things like this. |
| 15:27.13 | johnsonth | Soon -- let me have her make a couple of adjustments. |
| 15:27.21 | johnsonth | I can send you the existing draft. |
| 15:27.23 | smootar | Great. |
| 15:27.37 | johnsonth | The mobile infographic is all ready to go. |
| 15:27.55 | smootar | That is awesome. |
| 15:27.58 | smootar | johnsonth, anything else |
| 15:28.08 | smootar | s/else/else?/ |
| 15:28.12 | TimRiker | I hope dlhace and I will get back to cookie renaming f5 changes today. not heard any update on our test redhat 6.x box yet. |
| 15:28.15 | johnsonth | And I have another great article on using community for beta testing. Whitney Denney wrote this. It will give us some good visibility within ICS as well as in the community. |
| 15:28.26 | johnsonth | That's it for me. |
| 15:28.47 | johnsonth | Thanks for your note about the Elder Monson profile article. I'll publish that today. |
| 15:28.48 | smootar | thx. dlhace, can you answer TimRiker's questions? |
| 15:28.57 | smootar | johnsonth :) |
| 15:29.23 | smootar | dlhace? |
| 15:29.26 | dlhace | I am working from home today, but my schedule is pretty clear |
| 15:29.40 | dlhace | so Ican work on the F5 cookie stuff |
| 15:30.13 | smootar | great, any update on the redhat install? |
| 15:31.03 | dlhace | no, let me followup on that. I didn't get a change to followup on friday, because I was working on the icp and sonar-cdev firewall requests. |
| 15:31.16 | smootar | Thanks. |
| 15:31.21 | smootar | Quickly, I have the Swarm Tester requirements started out here: http://tech.lds.org/wiki/Swarm_Tester |
| 15:31.27 | TimRiker | did sonar-cdev get used during conference? |
| 15:31.35 | smootar | I am preparing to meet on Thursday. |
| 15:31.58 | smootar | Thursday is a meeting with the Philippines group. |
| 15:32.17 | smootar | doesn't know. |
| 15:32.24 | tdeforest | smootar: will coderjeff participate in that mtg? |
| 15:32.33 | smootar | We need to invite coderjeff. |
| 15:32.55 | smootar | It would be good for you, coderjeff, TimRiker to chat before that meeting. |
| 15:33.16 | smootar | s/TimRiker/TimRiker and me/ |
| 15:33.27 | smootar | We are out of time. |
| 15:33.29 | smootar | Anything else? |
| 15:33.35 | smootar | Did I miss anyone? |
| 15:33.42 | tdeforest | columbus day is next monday :) |
| 15:34.07 | smootar | yaaaay |
| 15:34.07 | smootar | ************************************************ |
| 15:34.07 | smootar | ***** End - LDSTech Meeting - 3 OCT 2011 ******* |
| 15:34.07 | smootar | ************************************************ |
| 15:34.07 | smootar | Thanks all |
| 15:34.18 | scgallafent | macnewbold: Did you change your LDS Account ID recently? |
| 15:34.50 | TimRiker | scgallafent, macnewbold looks like it's just newbold. I updated svnrm |
| 15:35.12 | scgallafent | I saw that. I'm wondering if he recently changed it. I remember seeing it as macnewbold at one point. |
| 15:35.50 | KFitz | I dont have anything ;) |
| 15:36.01 | TimRiker | nods at scgallafent |
| 15:39.01 | macnewbold | scgallafent: no, i haven't changed it, but i use macnewbold as my nick in most places |
| 15:39.48 | scgallafent | OK. I thought it was listed as macnewbold in the LDSTech project list at one point, but could be confused. |
| 15:40.13 | tdeforest | awstats doesn't seem to track urls after the '?' |
| 15:40.36 | josephscott | awstats is seriously old school ;-) |
| 15:41.56 | tdeforest | josephscott: :) |
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| 15:42.34 | TimRiker | josephscott, willing to add something else if there's a better option. awstats was about the only thing included in our ancient sles 10.3 install. |
| 15:43.02 | tdeforest | going to try splunk now. that means i'll get booted from irc when turn on vpn :) |
| 15:43.15 | josephscott | google analytics? |
| 15:43.26 | TimRiker | the redhat testing dlhace is working on might be a replacement for all our sles 10.3 boxen. rhel 6.1 is what I think they are working on. |
| 15:43.45 | josephscott | http://haveamint.com/ ? |
| 15:43.47 | TimRiker | uses openconnect so he does not get booted from irc. |
| 15:44.21 | josephscott | wonders why they couldn't just go to Ubuntu LTS and call it good |
| 15:44.21 | TimRiker | josephscott, no relation to mint.com I presume? |
| 15:44.33 | josephscott | nope, different kind of mint :-) |
| 15:44.58 | TimRiker | josephscott, I wonder the same. So far no progress there. |
| 15:45.18 | scgallafent | wonders the same thing. |
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| 15:45.46 | tdeforest | doesn't know openconnect |
| 15:46.04 | josephscott | does buying rhel count as a charitable contribution for the church? |
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| 16:00.57 | tdeforest | is flummoxed by splunk |
| 16:01.12 | Yorokobi | how so? |
| 16:01.24 | TimRiker | ~openconnect |
| 16:01.24 | infobot | openconnect is, like, an open source client for Cisco's AnyConnect SSL VPN. http://www.infradead.org/openconnect/ |
| 16:02.04 | tdeforest | yorokobi: looking for a click map to understand user behavior on the site. |
| 16:02.27 | Yorokobi | Map like Google maps or one of the flash ones? |
| 16:02.56 | tdeforest | no. like Omniture site analytics |
| 16:03.35 | Yorokobi | I'm not familiar with that product |
| 16:04.26 | tdeforest | it's like google analytics |
| 16:06.02 | Yorokobi | Well, it all depends on where you're getting your data. The Cisco app has a lot of pre-defined searches and views but if you're looking at access logs then you should be able to create a search with timechart to get a nice graph. |
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| 16:06.57 | Yorokobi | I'll repeat since I didn't notice you /quit ... Well, it all depends on where you're getting your data. The Cisco app has a lot of pre-defined searches and views but if you're looking at access logs then you should be able to create a search with timechart to get a nice graph. |
| 16:20.44 | dbart | Are there plans to offer the Gospel Libray for Android app (and other apps) in the Amazon App Store? |
| 16:22.40 | TimRiker | dbart, there is some effort in that direction yes. that and the b&n appstore. I don't know what the status is, and there is no committed date. There is interest and some action. |
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| 16:24.53 | dbart | TimRiker: ok, thanks, I was considering getting a Kindle Fire, and I noticed that none of the LDS apps are in the Amazon app store... yet. |
| 16:37.30 | smootar | tdeforest, did you Yorokobi's message? |
| 16:58.35 | TimRiker | dbart, we'll look at it in more detail as details of the Fire become available. For example, I don't know if the Fire will allow "untrusted" applications to be installed. The Nook does not. If it did people could install the apk's directly. |
| 17:07.27 | tdeforest | sorry yorokobi. how do I do what you are suggesting with awstats? |
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| 19:18.30 | tdeforest | smootar: i've taken a first pass at wireframes for an administrator re chapter management- http://cdev.lds.org/ldstech/wireframes/adminChapters.php |
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| 19:55.21 | smootar | tdeforest, cool, let me check it out. |
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| 19:59.20 | smootar | Thanks for joining RichardHelps. |
| 19:59.37 | smootar | ******************************************************** |
| 19:59.37 | smootar | ***** Begin - LDSTech Chapter Meeting - 3 OCT 2011 ***** |
| 19:59.37 | smootar | ******************************************************** |
| 19:59.40 | TimRiker | moin |
| 19:59.48 | tdeforest | shalom |
| 19:59.55 | dbkjar | howdy |
| 19:59.56 | smootar | We are just beginning our meeting for the LDSTech Chapter Managers. |
| 20:00.15 | smootar | Welcome all. |
| 20:00.26 | smootar | Who else is with us? |
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| 20:00.57 | smootar | What other Chapter managers do we have with us? |
| 20:01.20 | smootar | dbkjar is from Texas correct? |
| 20:01.27 | dbkjar | nods |
| 20:01.42 | smootar | Anyone from Washington DC> |
| 20:01.45 | smootar | ? |
| 20:02.01 | smootar | scgallafent, are you with us? |
| 20:02.12 | scgallafent | Just finishing another meeting. Will be 2-3 minutes. |
| 20:02.19 | smootar | OK. |
| 20:02.26 | smootar | tdeforest from Maine is with us. |
| 20:02.44 | smootar | I don't see BYU Idaho - joshrees. |
| 20:03.16 | smootar | We are also missing the Florida and Washington DC Chapters. |
| 20:03.58 | smootar | Let's begin by doing quick introductions. |
| 20:04.24 | smootar | I'm Alan Smoot the LDSTech Community Manager. |
| 20:04.38 | smootar | I have been over LDSTech since December 2010. |
| 20:04.51 | smootar | We started the LDSTech Chapters back in May 2011. |
| 20:05.22 | smootar | The newest chapters are from Florida, Texas and Washington DC. |
| 20:05.32 | smootar | TimRiker, could you introduce yourself? |
| 20:06.00 | smootar | We will go around to each Chapter. |
| 20:07.03 | TimRiker | sorry, on phone... back now |
| 20:07.37 | smootar | RichHelps is also starting a new chapter at BYU Provo |
| 20:07.49 | smootar | RichardHelps are you there? |
| 20:07.56 | RichardHelps | Yes, we had our first meeting last week. |
| 20:08.14 | TimRiker | I'm the tech lead for ldstech here at in riverton. I worked for familysearch for 5 years, and here since feb 2011. I run infobot and a bunch of other open source projects. |
| 20:08.35 | scgallafent | is back. Meeting ran over. |
| 20:09.03 | smootar | scgallafent, do you want to introduce yourself to the group? |
| 20:09.09 | smootar | then tdeforest? |
| 20:09.14 | tdeforest | k |
| 20:09.39 | scgallafent | I'm Steve Gallafent. I live just outside of Spokane, Washington. I've been involved in the community development process for a couple of years. |
| 20:10.03 | scgallafent | Anything else you want, smootar? |
| 20:10.25 | smootar | Steve has also been the lead on a couple of projects that have shipped. |
| 20:10.43 | smootar | recprop and cpas |
| 20:10.56 | smootar | tdeforest? |
| 20:11.12 | tdeforest | I'm the interaction designer for LDSTech. I started in December of last year. I'll be moving back to Utah next spring. I'm hoping to learn how to get people interested in an LDSTech chapter :) |
| 20:11.54 | smootar | dbkjar can you introduce yourself? |
| 20:12.20 | dbkjar | I'm Dave Kjar, fairly new to LDSTech, not-so-new to development. |
| 20:12.27 | dbkjar | Central Texas chapter is just organizing: we've had about a dozen respond |
| 20:12.33 | dbkjar | Our first meeting will be this Friday. |
| 20:12.39 | dbkjar | We'll be focusing on what we need the chapter to do for us. |
| 20:13.00 | smootar | Dave, it is great to have you on board. |
| 20:13.09 | smootar | RichardHelps, do you want to introduce yourself? |
| 20:13.36 | RichardHelps | Derek Hansen and myself are BYU IT faculty. We held our first meeting last week |
| 20:13.51 | RichardHelps | About 23 students came and we expect more this week |
| 20:14.13 | RichardHelps | We are figuring out how a chapter works and what it can do, but there is lots of enthusiasm |
| 20:14.30 | RichardHelps | We are open to suggestions. |
| 20:14.59 | smootar | It is great to have everyone here. |
| 20:15.05 | smootar | Is there a chapter that I have missed? |
| 20:15.33 | smootar | We have a chapter in the Philippines and in Gahna that will be starting sometime this fall. |
| 20:15.42 | smootar | We have others that are looking into it as well. |
| 20:16.02 | smootar | So I would like to talk about some ideas to help make an LDSTech Chapter successful. |
| 20:16.42 | smootar | How we might help from LDSTech and how chapter managers will help as well. |
| 20:17.10 | smootar | So far we have encouraged all LDSTech Chapters to meet on our LDSTech Service Day on the First Friday of each month. |
| 20:17.24 | smootar | I think that has had mixed results. |
| 20:17.31 | scgallafent | nods emphatically. |
| 20:17.50 | tdeforest | :) |
| 20:17.57 | smootar | So, depending on where you live and who is interested. There are different times that may work better for each chapter. |
| 20:18.16 | smootar | We chose Friday for a couple of reasons. |
| 20:18.26 | smootar | The first Friday that is. |
| 20:18.30 | smootar | of each month. |
| 20:18.43 | smootar | We wanted to have a consistent time people to count on. |
| 20:18.44 | TimRiker | notes: howardv is planning to upgrade svnrm on cdev shortly |
| 20:19.12 | smootar | We also wanted to have full time employees available to help with any issues if needed. |
| 20:19.46 | smootar | We also have people that work 4 10's and that made their Friday free. |
| 20:20.05 | smootar | So, this time doesn't work for many. |
| 20:20.28 | smootar | I think for Riverton, we will continue to hold our meetings on the first Friday, and this may work for other chapters as well. |
| 20:20.36 | smootar | This may be a great time for BYU Provo. |
| 20:21.03 | smootar | scgallafent, you and I have talked about this, can you provide your thoughts? |
| 20:21.26 | scgallafent | There are three different types of developers that we have available to engage and they are in different situations. |
| 20:22.02 | scgallafent | One group are those who have a fairly flexible schedule. They may be self-employed or have a job with enough flexibility that they can take a full day to work on LDS Tech projects. |
| 20:22.32 | scgallafent | Those are the ideal candidates for the Friday service days. They can schedule a day and make a lot of progress in several hours, especially if they have other developers and Church resources available. |
| 20:22.52 | scgallafent | There is another group who have regular "day jobs" and can't take a day without sacrificing vacation. |
| 20:23.16 | scgallafent | Those are the ones I've been seeing at my meetings. They will come occasionally for the webcast (8 AM our time) and then head to work. |
| 20:23.32 | scgallafent | Taking a full Friday to work on a project isn't realistic for them. |
| 20:24.00 | scgallafent | RichardHelps has a different group with the BYU students. They generally have a little more flexible time, although they may need to sneak in and out for classes. (In theory. <g>) |
| 20:24.26 | scgallafent | They may also be in a situation that they can put in much more time than someone who has a family, job, mortgage, etc. |
| 20:24.49 | scgallafent | I think the Fridays work great for those who can take the day off, but that's atypical for the people I'm working with here. |
| 20:25.14 | smootar | nods |
| 20:25.20 | scgallafent | I've been leaning toward scheduling a meeting on a weeknight or a Saturday morning once a month. We could meet, get to know each other, talk about Church technology, and be there to help people get started with projects. |
| 20:26.06 | scgallafent | I've had a couple of preliminary discussion with non-developers and they seem to be interested in a scenario where they could be involved and learn about Church technology without being involved in a development project. More of a users' group, for lack of a better description. |
| 20:26.20 | scgallafent | That's the slightly long summary. |
| 20:26.26 | scgallafent | Thoughts, questions? |
| 20:26.56 | RichardHelps | Do chapters work on more than one project ata time? |
| 20:26.56 | smootar | dbkjar, do you have a feel as to the people that have responded what their situations are? |
| 20:27.04 | smootar | Yes. |
| 20:27.16 | smootar | But, I think there is a desire to have Chapters work on one or two projects. |
| 20:27.24 | smootar | I would like to discuss that topic after this one. |
| 20:27.42 | dbkjar | I'll have more info after our first meeting, but.. |
| 20:27.49 | dbkjar | In Texas, one challenge is geography. |
| 20:28.01 | dbkjar | I've had interest expressed as far as 300 miles in 3 directions. |
| 20:28.01 | smootar | Everything is big in Texas :) |
| 20:28.05 | dbkjar | lol |
| 20:28.12 | dbkjar | Naturally that's not a sustainable commute, even for one day a month. |
| 20:28.14 | smootar | Wow |
| 20:28.40 | dbkjar | so we'll broach the topic of alternating locale of the meeting |
| 20:28.55 | dbkjar | between Austin and San Antonio initially |
| 20:29.09 | dbkjar | But with the goal of getting critical mass in each location |
| 20:29.18 | smootar | Did any of them want to meet at a different time? |
| 20:29.20 | dbkjar | as far as timing |
| 20:29.36 | smootar | Or were they all going to work out meeting on Friday? |
| 20:29.55 | TimRiker | the hope is that the chapters will be able to provide local peer support to get people started on projects and to help overcome obstacles with "this worked for me" type suggestions. |
| 20:29.59 | dbkjar | Not specifically, Alan, but several have said thay cannot make it for undetermined reasons. |
| 20:30.10 | dbkjar | We have a small contingent of developers at USAA Ins. Co, which hires briskly out of BYU-Id. |
| 20:30.16 | dbkjar | Many USAA EE's have 4-10 work weeks. |
| 20:30.40 | dbkjar | I |
| 20:30.41 | smootar | Ahhh |
| 20:30.48 | TimRiker | I'd love to see a chapter pick up a project so they can focus on the same goal. That will need some folks with each of the required skills. |
| 20:31.22 | smootar | I think a common goal for a chapter will work out best, just my opinion. |
| 20:31.46 | dbkjar | I think specializing on a project can be beneficial iff the skillset and interest are already there for the members. |
| 20:31.54 | smootar | Agreed. |
| 20:32.17 | dbkjar | I dont know that it can be "transplanted." |
| 20:32.22 | scgallafent | I'm concerned that would result in losing some benefit that comes from having members in various situations. There is some benefit to having different church experience. |
| 20:33.06 | smootar | Open Source Projects work remotely with teams all the time. |
| 20:33.07 | scgallafent | For example, I've got different background than the other developers on RecProp, and we're all in a much different situation from the 65+-year-old former ward clerk who is really our target audience. |
| 20:33.49 | scgallafent | I guess maybe I ought to ask: Are we talking about having a chapter be responsible for a project or having everyone in a chapter work as part of the same project? |
| 20:34.37 | smootar | That is one idea. |
| 20:34.48 | smootar | Like BYU is talking about doing penetration testing on CDEV. |
| 20:35.09 | smootar | They have taken a class from a professor there, and he would help them plan and execute a test. |
| 20:35.14 | smootar | That is one thought. |
| 20:35.22 | smootar | That may not work well in some locations. |
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| 20:36.04 | TimRiker | scgallafent, I'm not suggesting that a project be solely hosted at a chapter. we should encourage others to get involved too. |
| 20:36.06 | tobychew | Hi I have a question |
| 20:36.08 | smootar | I'm hoping to have the Chapter Managers help guide the chapter approgriately for their group. |
| 20:36.13 | dbkjar | I've atcually wondered about what I can do to keep the chapter from gravitating towards my personal pet techs or projects, so that we don't turn anyone off. |
| 20:36.27 | smootar | :) |
| 20:36.52 | tobychew | was wondering if there is a certain type of phone I would need to get lds tool to work |
| 20:37.08 | tobychew | I have a 1st gen droid |
| 20:37.36 | TimRiker | tobychew, we're in a meeting at the moment. you're welcome to listen in. ldstools runs on android and ios devices. droid works fine. |
| 20:37.55 | smootar | dbkjar, That is a good question. I think each Chapter may have ceratin interests, and should gravitate accordingly. |
| 20:38.31 | smootar | I would like everyone to find something that they are interested in, and help them do that. |
| 20:38.49 | scgallafent | That's what I've been trying to do with my chapter. |
| 20:38.57 | RichardHelps | We are in the early stages but we seem to have significant diversity and numbers in the BYU chapter. that is a strength and a ... challenge |
| 20:39.06 | scgallafent | Try to get each person to find something they're interested in and then give them the help needed to get started. |
| 20:39.28 | smootar | That was the original thought is everyone could be working on something different. |
| 20:39.48 | smootar | RichardHelps, what types of things are you seeing your students wanting to do? |
| 20:39.55 | tdeforest | RichardHelps: i have the opposite problem. i've only had one volunteer show in the months i've held meetings |
| 20:40.29 | RichardHelps | Some want to do pen testing, some want to do design and dev |
| 20:40.35 | smootar | tdeforest lives in the forest, no technology people. :) jk |
| 20:40.41 | RichardHelps | Some want to quality test existing produts |
| 20:40.49 | RichardHelps | some want to suggest new projects. |
| 20:40.59 | RichardHelps | Like I say, we are still figuring this out |
| 20:41.35 | scgallafent | You've got your hands full because they're going to have more enthusiasm and it will be a fair amount of work guiding them! |
| 20:41.52 | tdeforest | smootar: true. flannel and squirrels in all directions ;) |
| 20:41.58 | dbkjar | As a chapter manager, I suspect I need to keep more keenly aware of all the other projects and needs, especiallly if my role ends up as a matchmaker between new members and projects. |
| 20:41.59 | smootar | :) |
| 20:42.06 | RichardHelps | This is normal at a large university. Lots of enthusiasm, lots of opinions |
| 20:42.17 | smootar | lol |
| 20:42.31 | smootar | So it is a match maker job. |
| 20:42.35 | smootar | Needs here also change. |
| 20:42.40 | dbkjar | oy. |
| 20:42.55 | smootar | Students who have ideas are good. |
| 20:42.55 | scgallafent | And, as I remember, sometimes difficult to corral. |
| 20:43.07 | tdeforest | matchmaking sounds like the perpetual work of BYU |
| 20:43.11 | smootar | We don't have free reign to start any project that we desire. |
| 20:43.40 | smootar | I have had people do a project on their own and I get them audience with the right people here at the church. |
| 20:43.54 | smootar | We do need a sponsor from a division to do a project. |
| 20:44.14 | smootar | So we need to figure out how to manage the new ideas coming from each of the chapters. |
| 20:44.24 | RichardHelps | Is there a mechanism to recommend new projects for review and authorization? |
| 20:44.27 | scgallafent | I think that may be a struggle more for RichardHelps. The students don't have as much experience to accept some of the reasons why a perfectly good idea might not be the right idea right now. |
| 20:44.53 | RichardHelps | Yes. Students want to change the world. Now! :) |
| 20:44.54 | smootar | Right now new projects come to me. |
| 20:45.05 | tdeforest | hehe |
| 20:45.12 | TimRiker | openid? /me grins |
| 20:45.20 | smootar | I evaluate them and determine if I want to setup a meeting with division leaders to show it to them. |
| 20:45.40 | smootar | I don't do this very often because their time is so limited. |
| 20:46.02 | smootar | So I really try to get project leads who need help express that need at the broadcast. |
| 20:46.21 | smootar | That is the most efficient way today to get the needs. |
| 20:46.43 | smootar | We have been discussing how to update the LDSTech site to better communicate need and match skills. |
| 20:46.57 | smootar | We have attempted this, but it isn't very good at the moment. |
| 20:47.01 | smootar | We have some work to do there. |
| 20:47.11 | smootar | So the broadcast for now is the way you get the current needs. |
| 20:47.20 | smootar | From project leads themselves. |
| 20:47.59 | RichardHelps | Ok thanks we will try to channel the new suggestions into existing projects, and pipe a (very) few new ones to you, smootar |
| 20:47.59 | smootar | So having a meeting with your Chapter attendees and understanding how they want to contribute will be one of the Chapter Managers jobs. |
| 20:48.18 | smootar | RichardHelps, I think that would be wise for now. |
| 20:48.38 | smootar | Later, we may come up with a good way to channel new ideas is a big way. |
| 20:48.38 | scgallafent | That makes it critical for chapter managers to be aware of various projects and what they need. |
| 20:48.48 | smootar | s/is a/in a/ |
| 20:49.06 | smootar | nods |
| 20:49.27 | tdeforest | laughs |
| 20:50.10 | dbkjar | Are we still okay with per-chapter wiki pages? |
| 20:50.40 | smootar | I like that idea. |
| 20:50.51 | dbkjar | I haven't started one yet, but as long as we're okay with the possible informality, perpetual in-construction, etc. that that implies.. |
| 20:51.19 | tdeforest | alan brown will make sure your wiki pages aren't too informal |
| 20:51.23 | tdeforest | :) |
| 20:51.24 | smootar | if we added a link to your chapter page here: http://tech.lds.org/wiki/index.php/LDSTech_Service_Days#LDSTech_Service_Days_Chapters |
| 20:51.32 | dbkjar | or is formu space the better way to do that? |
| 20:51.33 | smootar | I think it would make sense. |
| 20:51.38 | dbkjar | er, forum space |
| 20:51.47 | tdeforest | he manages the wiki and maintains the style guide and standards |
| 20:52.17 | RichardHelps | Are there instructions for editing a chapter wiki on tech.lds.org? |
| 20:52.48 | scgallafent | I would be OK with someone creating a basic template that I could plunder. :) |
| 20:53.25 | smootar | There is help pages. |
| 20:53.32 | smootar | s/is/are/ |
| 20:53.40 | smootar | http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Editing |
| 20:53.55 | smootar | But you login with your LDSAccount and click edit. |
| 20:54.04 | smootar | You can then view and use the help pages for formatting. |
| 20:54.22 | smootar | Once you click save, it publishes it. |
| 20:54.34 | tdeforest | there is a style guide: https://tech.lds.org/wiki/Guidelines |
| 20:54.51 | smootar | So, dbkjar, do you want to create yours as a template that others could borrow from? |
| 20:55.39 | RichardHelps | I know how to edit Wiki, I can't find the link to my chapter wiki. Am I missing something? |
| 20:56.01 | smootar | There isn't any chapter wikis yet. There aren't any. |
| 20:56.06 | dbkjar | heh, I'm happy to, though our template may be a little exceptional; I anticipate 2 maps and rotating meeting schedules by the time we're done.. |
| 20:56.20 | smootar | :) |
| 20:56.30 | RichardHelps | Aha. That makes sense. Sorry I misunderstood :| |
| 20:56.47 | smootar | So, dbkjar will add a column for a link to everyones chapter pages. |
| 20:56.52 | smootar | His will be created first. |
| 20:57.00 | smootar | We will then each update our own pages. |
| 20:57.23 | smootar | For those who don't know. Wiki pages get create just by using a URL that doesn't exist yet. |
| 20:57.29 | dbkjar | dusts off his wiki-foo |
| 20:57.42 | smootar | http://tech.lds.org/wiki/BYULDSTechChapter/ |
| 20:57.54 | smootar | That would create a new page for BYULDSTechChapter. |
| 20:58.03 | smootar | Just by following the link. |
| 20:58.19 | scgallafent | dbkjar probably ought to decide on some kind of standardizing naming scheme for the pages |
| 20:58.26 | smootar | OK, two minutes left. |
| 20:58.28 | smootar | Agreed. |
| 20:58.40 | smootar | Do we want to meet again before Friday? |
| 20:59.03 | smootar | I would like to have each chapter discuss what is working well and how we could help them be more successful. |
| 20:59.19 | smootar | There is one question I have coming for the Meeting House Technology group. |
| 20:59.42 | smootar | The MHTech group focuses on things that are meaningful to Stake Technology specialists. |
| 21:00.18 | smootar | We have discussed having them broadcast at a different time on the LDSTech Service Day that could be viewed by those interested at the LDSTech Chapters. |
| 21:00.40 | smootar | Would this be of interest to the Chapters, or would want to do this using a different forum? |
| 21:00.56 | smootar | s/would want/would you want/ |
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| 21:01.26 | smootar | THoughts? |
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| 21:01.45 | scgallafent | I'm hearing a little bit of interest in that from some of the people I talk to. They're not in a position to get involved in a development project, but they would like a forum to learn about Church technology. |
| 21:02.17 | smootar | Would it be appropriate for that to be a part of the Chapter Meetings? |
| 21:02.27 | smootar | Or would it splinter the purpose? |
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| 21:02.59 | tdeforest | probably something for the chapter manager to manage |
| 21:03.01 | smootar | It wouldn't be appropriate for BYU I don't think. |
| 21:03.02 | dbkjar | is mulling that over.. |
| 21:03.16 | smootar | Chew on that a bit. |
| 21:03.24 | smootar | We need to end now. |
| 21:03.27 | scgallafent | It makes me think a little bit about whether our purpose meets the need of Church members. |
| 21:03.53 | scgallafent | We know that we have a need to fill for development projects (Church needs the members) but there are also some things members would like from the church. |
| 21:03.55 | scgallafent | Something to chew on. |
| 21:04.15 | smootar | Good thought. |
| 21:04.35 | RichardHelps | I suspect some of our chapter members are the tech person in their ward/stake. I'll bring this up at the next meeting. |
| 21:04.44 | smootar | Great. |
| 21:04.54 | smootar | How often should this group meet? |
| 21:05.06 | smootar | Once or twice a month? |
| 21:05.16 | smootar | Thoughts? |
| 21:05.36 | scgallafent | At least once a month, but we may need to meet more frequently while we figure this out. |
| 21:05.48 | tdeforest | nods |
| 21:05.49 | RichardHelps | How about once per month plus special meetings if necessary? |
| 21:06.16 | smootar | Could we chat early next week to get feedback about your chapter meeting? |
| 21:06.22 | TimRiker | likes once a month, and shortly before the service day. |
| 21:06.35 | RichardHelps | nods |
| 21:06.40 | smootar | Then move it to once a month? |
| 21:06.40 | scgallafent | I think next week would be good. |
| 21:06.55 | smootar | Great, I will set something up. |
| 21:07.01 | smootar | Thanks for everyone joining today. |
| 21:07.12 | smootar | ******************************************************** |
| 21:07.12 | smootar | ***** End - LDSTech Chapter Meeting - 3 OCT 2011 ******* |
| 21:07.12 | smootar | ******************************************************** |
| 21:07.13 | tdeforest | ciao |
| 21:07.24 | RichardHelps | a'voir |
| 21:07.31 | smootar | Thanks you guys. |
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| 21:14.12 | dbkjar | sorry 'bout splitting |
| 21:15.23 | dbkjar | does this infobot have a rewind feature? |
| 21:15.57 | scgallafent | TimRiker would be the one to ask about that. |
| 21:15.57 | TimRiker | nope. logs will be up within 24 hours. :) |
| 21:16.23 | Yorokobi | tdeforest, I've been away until now. As with omniture, I'm not familiar with awstats. What are you trying to do with splunk? What are you looking for, exactly? |
| 21:16.35 | TimRiker | you didn't miss anything though from what I say.. quit at 15:09, koing at 15:12 |
| 21:16.46 | TimRiker | s/koing/join/ |
| 21:19.00 | dbkjar | Not sure if this remark made it, but I was hoping to make sure my laptop will handle the live stream content-type on Friday, in case it's different from the mp4 archive. |
| 21:25.37 | TimRiker | josh's svnrm code assumes session cookie never changes. it changes all the time... |
| 21:28.56 | TimRiker | scgallafent, grep joomla for wikiPath and you'll see what you need for module config changes. |
| 21:29.07 | scgallafent | OK. Off I go. |
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| 21:46.20 | TimRiker | scgallafent, just moved svnrmURL over to module parameters. |
| 21:46.50 | TimRiker | svn diff -r1197:1198 -x -w|less -S |
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| 21:50.25 | dlhace | TimRiker do you want to work on the cookies now |
| 21:59.14 | TimRiker | sure |
| 22:04.24 | smootar | dlhace, you may consider getting a rich IRC client installed. I just noticed that you are in the web client. |
| 22:05.15 | dlhace | yeah i will work on that |
| 22:05.34 | smootar | :) |
| 22:05.34 | scgallafent | How rich can you get in IRC? |
| 22:05.49 | TimRiker | not very, from my experience |
| 22:05.59 | smootar | lol, Not to rich, but probably more middle class. |
| 22:06.04 | smootar | too |
| 22:06.06 | scgallafent | Time to crack out some ASCII art! |
| 22:06.11 | smootar | :) |
| 22:06.24 | TimRiker | though I don't know. so of the clients I talk to might be rich IRC clients. |
| 22:06.36 | smootar | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:06.37 | smootar | | (_ / _ \/ _ \/ _` | -_) |
| 22:06.37 | smootar | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:06.37 | smootar | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:06.55 | TimRiker | Coogle? |
| 22:06.59 | josephscott | there are some IRC clients that will inline image and video links for you |
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| 22:07.11 | smootar | Yup. |
| 22:09.09 | dlhace | ok the cookie rewrite rule should be active on cdev.lds.org |
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| 22:10.43 | scgallafent | TimRiker: So I just need to add my config items as additional items in config.xml? How do you keep values in the svn copy from overwriting the production copy? |
| 22:11.23 | TimRiker | dlhace, can't sign in using https://cdev.lds.org/?signmein |
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| 22:12.10 | TimRiker | scgallafent, need to then enter the parameters area and set them in dev, and later in production when we roll it out. |
| 22:15.22 | TimRiker | dlhace, wiping a bunch of lds.org cookies and trying again. |
| 22:15.38 | TimRiker | the signon page does correctly set/reset ObSSOCookie-dev |
| 22:16.45 | TimRiker | dlhace, do we need to set/reset ObFormLoginCookie as well? I think that is only used for the signin page itself, so I would not think that's a conflict. |
| 22:17.45 | tdeforest | Yorokobi: I need to know what people click on from a certain view. for example, what links are clicked most from the project list page? |
| 22:17.47 | TimRiker | dlhace, still getting an empty cookie name with contents: httponly. can you get rid of that? |
| 22:18.14 | josephscott | tdeforest: heat map? |
| 22:19.22 | tdeforest | i've always considered a heat map to be where people look at on a given page but it might be the same thing. in omniture it's called a click map |
| 22:19.46 | josephscott | tdeforest: I haven't tried it, but something like? http://www.labsmedia.com/clickheat/index.html |
| 22:19.48 | TimRiker | dlhace, the post from the login form goes to /login.html but I can't find any users that let me in |
| 22:20.24 | josephscott | that one is 'clickheat' :-) |
| 22:21.08 | TimRiker | post gets: Cookie: ObFormLoginCookie=wh%3Dcdev.lds.org%20wu%3D%2F%3Fsignmein%20wo%3D1%20rh%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fcdev.lds.org%20ru%3D%252F%20rq%3Dsignmein; httponly; ObSSOCookie-dev=wo3z1zg... |
| 22:21.20 | TimRiker | note the broken 'httponly' in there. |
| 22:21.43 | tdeforest | josephscott that's the idea. omniture's click map isn't as precise. it just shows you which anchors were clicked with an overlay but it's the same idea |
| 22:22.04 | josephscott | google analytics has a similar feature I believe |
| 22:22.32 | Yorokobi | I'd have to see some of the raw log data to create a search |
| 22:22.44 | TimRiker | dlhace, here's the broken header: Set-Cookie: httponly; path=/; domain=.lds.org; |
| 22:24.23 | TimRiker | dlhace, seems that https://cdev.lds.org/SSOSignIn/ does log you in and sends me back to https://cdev.lds.org/?signmein which in turn sends me back to the login form. ie: the signmein param is not seeing that I'm already signed in. |
| 22:25.08 | dlhace | it is the same way that I had it the other day |
| 22:25.11 | Yorokobi | tdeforest, http://splunk-base.splunk.com/answers/2055/heatmap-in-dashboard |
| 22:27.04 | dlhace | do you want me to do the httponly enable? |
| 22:27.05 | TimRiker | dlhace, an invalid login does correctly go right back to https://cdev.lds.org/SSOSignIn/ but a correct login goes back to the original url, which in turn gets redirected to the login as it still has the ?signmein on the url. |
| 22:28.17 | dlhace | hmm trying to think that through |
| 22:30.39 | TimRiker | dlhace, so https://tech.lds.org/PI.php?signmein gets one production signin, and then delivers the page once signed in. it does NOT redirect again to the login page. |
| 22:31.36 | TimRiker | it tries to hit https://tech.lds.org/obrar.cgi in the middle which gives a redirect back. |
| 22:32.23 | TimRiker | I don't see that step on cdev. no obrar.cgi after a valid login |
| 22:32.59 | TimRiker | did you figure out why we have the empty cookie? |
| 22:33.20 | dlhace | which cookie is empty? |
| 22:33.33 | dlhace | I guss I missed where you said the cookie was empty? |
| 22:33.36 | TimRiker | the cookie has no name, and httponly as contents. |
| 22:34.01 | TimRiker | the header is this: Set-Cookie: httponly; path=/; domain=.lds.org; |
| 22:34.40 | TimRiker | that's an invalid Set-Cookie line. the first entry _must_ have an = in it. ie: foo=bar is valid. foo= is valid, foo is not valid. |
| 22:35.03 | dlhace | here is the script |
| 22:35.05 | dlhace | #IRule to rename obsso cookie for development environment # WAM only accepts OBBSO Cookie when HTTP_REQUEST { #look for dev cookie and adjust it for the webgates if {[HTTP::cookie exists "ObSSOCookie-dev"]}{ set cookieValue [HTTP::cookie "ObSSOCookie-dev"] HTTP::cookie remove ObSSOCookie-dev HTTP::cookie insert name ObSSOCookie value $cookieValue domain .lds.org path / # HTTP::cookie secure ObSSOCookie ena |
| 22:35.56 | TimRiker | better email it. cut off here. |
| 22:35.56 | dlhace | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:36.07 | TimRiker | or make a wiki page. :) |
| 22:36.39 | josephscott | pastebin, or something |
| 22:36.50 | TimRiker | nods |
| 22:37.23 | dlhace | it is in your email |
| 22:41.00 | macnewbold | scgallafent: any thoughts on the patch i sent? It sounds like i should be able to commit now, though I haven't tried it without your blessing on the change. |
| 22:41.30 | scgallafent | I looked at it for a few minutes this morning, but haven't applied it and tested it. |
| 22:41.50 | scgallafent | What I saw looks fairly clean. You might bounce it off josephscott and see if he has suggestions. |
| 22:41.58 | scgallafent | I'll look at it again in a little bit. |
| 22:42.08 | josephscott | sure |
| 22:42.54 | macnewbold | josephscott: ping me if you have any questions/concerns w/it |
| 22:43.11 | scgallafent | josephscott: I'll send it right now. I've got it sitting on the desktop. |
| 22:43.15 | josephscott | I haven't seen it, is it some where that I can grab a copy? |
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| 22:44.28 | scgallafent | The only thing that gave me pause was whether putting the route under /search/ could be an issue. |
| 22:44.52 | macnewbold | josephscott: sent you a copy |
| 22:45.01 | josephscott | k |
| 22:47.31 | josephscott | I'll take a look at it tonight after the kids are in bed, I'll be back working during that time anyway |
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| 22:53.05 | TimRiker | dlhace, the cookie insert has a value, but not a name. |
| 22:53.52 | TimRiker | dlhace, is there an issue with the code that's in the jira? https://tech.lds.org/jira/browse/LDSTECH-483 |
| 22:54.43 | TimRiker | oh... set cookieValue is setting a variable... still reading. |
| 22:57.48 | TimRiker | dlhace, the ObFormLoginCookie is set for cdev.lds.org, not .lds.org but we are setting .lds.org on the -dev cookie. I don't know if something is assuming those will match. |
| 22:58.38 | dlhace | hmmm ok I know were that might be |
| 22:59.23 | TimRiker | I don't get the nameless cookie in production |
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| 23:00.08 | joedirt | Hello |
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| 23:00.57 | TimRiker | dlhace, should we adjust the ObFormLoginCookie as well? dunno why tech.lds.org gets .lds.org but cdev.lds.org gets cdev.lds.org as the domain. |
| 23:01.16 | dlhace | should I be setting the name rewrite to use cdev.lds.org |
| 23:01.38 | dlhace | for the domain? |
| 23:02.12 | TimRiker | no. other things like foo-cdev.lds.org should be able to share the same cookie. it should be marked for .lds.org like the production cookie. |
| 23:02.30 | josephscott | joedirt: hi |
| 23:02.45 | dlhace | what about in stage |
| 23:03.05 | dlhace | cdev would be more like stage.lds.org |
| 23:03.12 | TimRiker | well, eventually I'd like to see a ObSSOCookie-stage also marked for .lds.org |
| 23:04.15 | TimRiker | right now stage has the same issue. you access any stage site, and you're logged out on production. ie: you loose any JIRA edits on the bug you're trying to test. |
| 23:05.52 | TimRiker | login to jira, look at bug, try to test bug, login to cdev, look back at bug, log back in to production, test again, ugh... log back into test, record results, ARGH!!! log back into production and retype results, etc. |
| 23:07.43 | dlhace | what I was referring to was the empty cookie issue |
| 23:08.03 | TimRiker | I don't know what's causing the nameless cookie. I'd say comment out all the sets and see if it's still there. |
| 23:08.12 | dlhace | why was it sort of working the other day and now isn't |
| 23:08.39 | TimRiker | it was working exactly as it's working now. one nameless cookie, and no logins work. |
| 23:08.55 | dlhace | oh ok |
| 23:09.36 | TimRiker | is there a wam config to get .lds.org from the webgates instead of cdev.lds.org ? |
| 23:09.50 | TimRiker | on the ObFormLoginCookie I mean. |
| 23:10.16 | scgallafent | TimRiker: Can't you use two different browsers, one in cdev and one in tech? |
| 23:11.05 | TimRiker | and any idea what the obrar.cgi call is that happens in production but not in cdev? |
| 23:11.32 | TimRiker | scgallafent, I can, yes, but do I want to? |
| 23:12.04 | scgallafent | That would save you switching from cdev to production, if that's part of the frustration. |
| 23:12.10 | TimRiker | there is a JIRA plugin we are looking at that wants the web site to show up in a frame while you're testing. that would be completely broken currently. |
| 23:12.54 | scgallafent | I thought you were testing cookies between cdev and production. Different beast. |
| 23:13.30 | TimRiker | yes. that's the reason for working on this. so that they use different cookies and don't kill each other when used in the same browser. |
| 23:14.05 | TimRiker | the plugin would want to show the jira info in one frame and the cdev test site in another frame. currently that won't work at all. |
| 23:14.38 | TimRiker | dlhace, so what's our status? |
| 23:14.45 | TimRiker | needs to head home |
| 23:16.51 | TimRiker | dlhace, did you try just passing through path, domain, and secure from the original cookie? |
| 23:16.55 | dlhace | I am going to switch it back. I can't see anthing different in the SSO signin between us and stage |
| 23:17.28 | dlhace | I could look at extracting all that information from the original cookie and passing it rhough |
| 23:18.10 | TimRiker | ok. I can't tell what's causing the nameless cookie from here. I'd suggest inserting things one at a time till we see what causes it. |
| 23:18.42 | TimRiker | the JIRA has what I think should be working script, but I obviously have not tested it as I have not access to do so. |
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| 23:45.54 | TimRiker | svn diff -x -w -r"{$(date -Is -d '1 day ago')}" |
| 23:46.33 | TimRiker | yeah, mail me that every day. :) |
| 23:46.41 | TimRiker | heads home |