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| 00:03.35 | mgeary | okay, another OT question, but does anyone know how to change your password for lds.org? I'm not seeing an option anywhere |
| 00:04.57 | mgeary | i guess i can go through the whole, "i forgot my password" schtick, but that seems like overkill |
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| 14:45.13 | smootar | Shutting down to take my laptop into our LDSTech Staff meeting. We will not hold the staff meeting on IRC. |
| 14:45.47 | smootar | Our IRC meetings will be 9AM MT, Mon, Wed, Thu, Fri (Not Tuesday) |
| 14:46.02 | scgallafent | That means I'd better get parked in front of the phone.... |
| 14:46.11 | smootar | Yup. |
| 14:46.30 | smootar | We will still use ID 3244 today. |
| 14:46.46 | smootar | Back on in a minute. |
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| 15:27.52 | TimRiker | Discussing the 2.4 release. |
| 15:28.56 | TimRiker | New project status patch posted for admin and project list page. |
| 15:29.33 | TimRiker | scg reporting on google groups testing |
| 15:30.16 | TimRiker | Erik on FORG... Db is up, need data now. |
| 15:34.41 | TimRiker | ~rlart |
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| 15:44.59 | TimRiker | Spinning up the crowd test tool as a community project |
| 15:55.44 | josephscott | crowd test tool? |
| 15:56.36 | TimRiker | Kevin and others are designing a test tool that can be used from a mobile device to walk through test cases. |
| 15:57.57 | josephscott | nice |
| 15:59.03 | TimRiker | Perhaps using soap to get to stories in Jira, don't know for sure yet |
| 16:01.08 | josephscott | soap == not so nice |
| 16:01.51 | TimRiker | Yeah, but that's what jira provides. :/ |
| 16:04.02 | TimRiker | End live meeting... |
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| 16:14.19 | ErikPeterson1 | alive again? |
| 16:14.31 | TimRiker | Back to my desk |
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| 18:05.31 | smootar | ~lart johnson_tom |
| 18:05.31 | infobot | installs PocketPC on johnson_tom's PDA |
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| 18:14.26 | scgallafent | smootar, TimRiker, tdeforest: Is there documentation somewhere (on the wiki?) for what happens with groups when various events occur or do I need to create it? |
| 18:15.20 | smootar | scgallafent, I don't know of a document. I believe that it will need to be created. |
| 18:15.37 | scgallafent | OK. I'm at the point. <big grin /> |
| 18:15.42 | scgallafent | s/the/thata/ |
| 18:15.46 | scgallafent | s/thata/that/ |
| 18:15.53 | scgallafent | Something like that.... |
| 18:16.14 | smootar | scgallafent. I would love to contribute on what should be done when. |
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| 18:16.34 | smootar | scgallafent. I'm assuming you are talking about the requirements for integration, correct? |
| 18:16.41 | scgallafent | Correct. |
| 18:16.50 | scgallafent | I'll start it and have you review it shortly. |
| 18:17.01 | smootar | great. :) |
| 18:19.09 | smootar | BRB |
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| 18:44.47 | TimRiker | luvs the reliable network here |
| 18:46.42 | scgallafent | was wondering what was going on. |
| 18:46.49 | TimRiker | scgallafent, thought was to have commits and discuss lists for each group. add user to both when observer or higher. let them set their subscription options through the ggroups interface. |
| 18:47.27 | scgallafent | TimRiker: Thanks. I'm working on the list of events and integration points now. |
| 18:48.06 | TimRiker | probably want to prefix all the groups.. ie: ldstech-recprop-commits or similar. perhaps just ldstech-recprop for the discuss group. |
| 18:48.38 | TimRiker | when the user leaves the group, remove them from the group's lists. when they become project manager, might want to grant management rights to the lists. when they loose manager, remove management rights. |
| 18:53.18 | scgallafent | TimRiker, where do I find the hooks in the existing codes that send the emails? |
| 18:53.21 | scgallafent | s/codes/code/ |
| 18:54.58 | TimRiker | cdev should use something extra like ldstech-dev-sample-commits |
| 18:55.19 | TimRiker | ->sendEmail() iirc. |
| 18:56.35 | TimRiker | components/com_talentpool/models/projects.php |
| 18:57.22 | TimRiker | but are you sending emails? I thought you were calling a service to add people to a list, not to send someone/something an email? |
| 18:59.38 | scgallafent | I |
| 19:00.04 | scgallafent | I'm assuming that the emails will eventually be changed to go to the group. |
| 19:00.30 | scgallafent | That will also let me back up and see the events that trigger emails now, which are some of the same events that trigger group provisioning actions. |
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| 19:14.10 | TimRiker | wishes php could handle const arrays |
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| 19:14.44 | TimRiker | scgallafent, ah. good point. |
| 19:15.51 | TimRiker | wants: const foo = { 'thing' => 'value' [, ...] }; |
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| 19:16.19 | TimRiker | ErikPeterson, more network fun? :) |
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| 19:20.29 | scgallafent | It's like you guys are on a trampoline. |
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| 19:22.43 | TimRiker | bounce, bounce, bounce |
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| 19:26.35 | smootar | Are others getting the error "Disconnected (Remote host closed socket)." |
| 19:26.48 | TimRiker | you're just jealous that you're missing out on the fun. |
| 19:26.51 | scgallafent | Just the internal folks. |
| 19:27.04 | scgallafent | The rest of us are standing here looking dizzy from the rush of people in and out. |
| 19:27.08 | smootar | so only those internal to ICS are seeing this? |
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| 19:27.18 | scgallafent | Correct. We just see you leave and rejoin. |
| 19:27.25 | TimRiker | yes. it's the ics proxy that's dropping us. |
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| 19:29.03 | TimRiker | it's also dropping my ssh connection |
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| 19:31.15 | TimRiker | are we having fun yet? |
| 19:31.31 | tdeforest | ~lart network connection |
| 19:31.31 | infobot | explains, ever so gently, that if network connection doesn't give the channel more information, they can't help |
| 19:31.40 | TimRiker | is talking to the help desk. |
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| 19:32.44 | TimRiker | it |
| 19:32.52 | TimRiker | it's every 2 minutes, right? neato. |
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| 19:33.36 | TimRiker | it's about time again... |
| 19:35.09 | TimRiker | ooh, over 2 minutes now. |
| 19:36.01 | macnewbold | congrats |
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| 21:28.06 | scgallafent | smootar: You should have email with a spreadsheet. Have a minute? |
| 21:37.52 | smootar | scgallafent: I do now. |
| 21:38.00 | smootar | I just got back from a meeting. |
| 21:38.12 | scgallafent | Did you get the email? |
| 21:42.02 | smootar | I'm not seeing it. |
| 21:42.23 | smootar | did you send it to my ldschurch.org email? |
| 21:42.26 | scgallafent | You should be able to see the spreadsheet if you log into Google Docs. Yes. |
| 21:43.21 | smootar | looking |
| 21:43.40 | scgallafent | LDSTech Google Groups integration |
| 21:45.24 | smootar | doesn't see it yet in google or ldschurch.org. |
| 21:45.44 | scgallafent | grrrr |
| 21:45.46 | scgallafent | Trying again |
| 21:46.30 | scgallafent | Try now. I see your picture. That's a good sign. |
| 21:47.13 | scgallafent | I see you. :) |
| 21:47.13 | smootar | :) |
| 21:54.01 | TimRiker | josephscott, scgallafent, thoughts on mysql innodb_file_per_table ? |
| 21:54.23 | josephscott | generally good idea |
| 21:54.35 | scgallafent | Yup. |
| 21:54.52 | TimRiker | wonders why it's not the default |
| 21:54.59 | scgallafent | That would make too much sense. |
| 21:55.15 | josephscott | are you kidding, they've barely gotten around to making innodb the default instead of myisam |
| 21:55.27 | TimRiker | hehe |
| 21:55.43 | josephscott | which should have been changed ages ago |
| 21:55.52 | scgallafent | I don't know that we'll ever need separate physical disks, but the separation is generally as good idea, as josephscott said. |
| 21:56.29 | scgallafent | As for InnoDB vs MyISAM, I don't know what their resistance is. Maybe refential integrity is a passing fad. |
| 21:56.50 | scgallafent | s/refential/referential/ |
| 21:56.57 | TimRiker | myisam is still faster, so I think it's a speed vs reality thing. |
| 21:57.58 | scgallafent | I can understand wanting speed, but the tradeoff is a database that will be inconsistent at some point in the future. |
| 21:58.09 | TimRiker | nods |
| 21:58.34 | josephscott | failure recovery is really poor for myisam as well |
| 21:59.01 | TimRiker | see? now you're throwing reality into it |
| 21:59.41 | scgallafent | We're still set for MyISAM by default. Would it make sense to change default-storage-engine to InnoDB? |
| 22:00.06 | TimRiker | probably yes. |
| 22:00.20 | josephscott | I suspect that all of the community projects should be using innodb |
| 22:00.46 | josephscott | I don't think any of them need any of the unique aspects of myisam |
| 22:04.08 | TimRiker | https://tech.lds.org/jira/browse/LDSTECH-492 |
| 22:05.21 | scgallafent | We need to review for other projects as well. I know the production CPAS database ended up with MyISAM instead of InnoDB. |
| 22:05.36 | josephscott | and some are setting myisam specifically |
| 22:08.14 | TimRiker | feel free to add more mysql settings to the jira if you like. |
| 22:08.46 | TimRiker | Someone(tm) should open a ticket to get some kind of php cache in place |
| 22:12.32 | scgallafent | Does that (tm) stand for TimRiker? :) |
| 22:14.56 | josephscott | I think that would require an OS install that is less that 6 years old |
| 22:17.07 | smootar | scgallafant, I' |
| 22:17.12 | smootar | m still chatting |
| 22:17.20 | smootar | Sorry |
| 22:17.26 | scgallafent | No problem. I'm just here working. |
| 22:31.50 | smootar | scgallafent, I need to look at this spreadsheet later. I will plan to look at it this evening. |
| 22:32.02 | scgallafent | OK. I've added some additional notes. |
| 22:32.13 | smootar | Very, chat with you later. |
| 22:32.23 | smootar | s/Very/Very Good/ |
| 22:34.00 | TimRiker | scgallafent, that would be tr or tjr. tm is trademark. ie: ⢠|
| 22:34.31 | scgallafent | I know. Just poking a little fun at "someone." |
| 22:38.23 | TimRiker | irc probably won't handle a nick of Someone⢠hehe |
| 22:41.23 | scgallafent | It comes back with "erroneous nickname." |
| 22:45.11 | TimRiker | heh |
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| 23:10.45 | TimRiker | breaks cdev |
| 23:11.38 | TimRiker | fixes cdev |
| 23:29.50 | TimRiker | nite |