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| 00:25.39 | kathryngz | TimRiker, might want to update. |
| 00:55.13 | kathryngz | TimRiker, in case you weren't aware, getting undefined function t throughout area_office.php. |
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| 01:26.57 | TimRiker | oh.. let me look at that... |
| 01:27.15 | kathryngz | thx :) |
| 01:33.31 | TimRiker | that should do it. find any more? |
| 01:33.57 | kathryngz | Checking... |
| 01:35.14 | kathryngz | The function error is gone. Thanks! But now I'm getting the keys with asterisks around them where the translation should be. |
| 01:40.27 | TimRiker | k. try that. |
| 01:40.36 | TimRiker | got to get lang set and load $t. :) |
| 01:45.52 | TimRiker | headed home. the **tags** versions are when t() can't find the tag. if we never load $t then we can't find any tags. :) |
| 01:46.19 | kathryngz | They're all over the place, though, for translations I know are there. |
| 01:46.29 | kathryngz | have a safe trip home--catch you later. |
| 01:47.36 | TimRiker | if we don't load them into php memory, then call t() it won't find them. that's what I just fixed. on the ajax php files, need to call setupVariables() so that $t gets loaded. |
| 01:47.57 | kathryngz | okay, will do. Thanks! |
| 01:48.08 | TimRiker | I think they are all done now. |
| 01:48.34 | TimRiker | do you see any **tags** that should not be there now? |
| 01:48.35 | kathryngz | Ok, cool. I just refreshed and they're there. Thanks! |
| 01:48.48 | kathryngz | go home :) |
| 01:48.51 | kathryngz | Thanks again! |
| 01:48.54 | TimRiker | :) |
| 01:49.20 | TimRiker | any **tag** you see is a text string that's still needed. |
| 01:49.29 | kathryngz | Perfect. |
| 01:49.30 | kathryngz | Thanks! |
| 01:50.00 | TimRiker | or, if it exists already, than ping me and we'll figure out why it's not showing. I think all the ones that exist are showing correctly now. |
| 01:50.16 | kathryngz | It looks like it. Will let you know if I find any issues, though. |
| 01:50.21 | kathryngz | Thanks again! This is awesome. |
| 01:51.06 | TimRiker | wanna see something funny? |
| 01:51.11 | kathryngz | Sure! |
| 01:51.16 | kathryngz | Always love a laugh :) |
| 01:51.26 | TimRiker | try that out. |
| 01:51.35 | kathryngz | Try what out? |
| 01:51.54 | TimRiker | refresh. |
| 01:52.19 | kathryngz | is laughing again :) |
| 01:52.30 | kathryngz | I think we should leave it that way <g> |
| 01:52.31 | TimRiker | :) |
| 01:52.37 | kathryngz | See if anyone notices ;) |
| 01:53.00 | TimRiker | I don't think I'll check that version in. I just edited the live site. |
| 01:53.29 | kathryngz | I think you should keep it and see if anyone says anything in our meeting tomorrow ;) |
| 01:53.47 | kathryngz | "What? It shows up backward on your screen? It looks fine on mine!" |
| 01:53.52 | kathryngz | (feigning innocence) |
| 01:53.54 | TimRiker | LOL |
| 01:54.04 | TimRiker | must be IE |
| 01:54.05 | kathryngz | Must be IE <VBG> |
| 01:54.08 | TimRiker | LOL |
| 01:54.09 | kathryngz | Great minds!!!! |
| 01:54.19 | kathryngz | I dare ya! |
| 01:54.23 | kathryngz | Not really :) |
| 01:54.26 | TimRiker | I could make it IE specific. now that would be a hoot. |
| 01:54.43 | kathryngz | I can't type because I'm lauging to hard! |
| 01:54.53 | kathryngz | s/lauging to/laughing too/ |
| 01:55.03 | kathryngz | When is April 1? :) |
| 01:55.49 | kathryngz | Okay, that made my evening. |
| 01:55.51 | TimRiker | perfect! I'll get it working for then. :) |
| 01:56.04 | kathryngz | GREAT IDEA :) |
| 01:56.13 | TimRiker | k. reverted |
| 01:56.18 | kathryngz | Dang :) |
| 01:56.40 | kathryngz | Thanks for the laugh. Good stressbuster :) |
| 01:57.16 | kathryngz | Gonna check my dinner downstairs. Have a safe drive home! |
| 01:58.41 | TimRiker | k. cya! |
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| 14:01.13 | tdeforest | Reading the tech.lds.org wiki guidelines and manual of style.They are very well written and easy to read. Also very well thought out. |
| 14:09.12 | tdeforest | here the link: https://tech.lds.org/wiki/Guidelines |
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| 16:02.25 | tdeforest | i've joined the party meeting online. is anyone else there? |
| 16:05.53 | TimRiker | I see them in the room. heading in. |
| 16:06.57 | tdeforest | gotcha |
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| 16:50.08 | William | tdeforest: Thanks for that link to the wiki guidelines. I hadn't seen it before. |
| 16:51.29 | tdeforest | you're welcome. glad you liked it. very handy to have that resource around |
| 16:52.53 | William | Looks like I followed the guidelines for my one wiki edit 5 months ago. :) |
| 16:55.13 | tdeforest | haha. my offense was severe, hence the guidelines were brought to my attention sooner :D |
| 17:17.46 | TimRiker | kathryngz, line ending commit on all_manage_users.php, do an update. :) |
| 17:18.11 | kathryngz | Uh oh, my fault, I bet :) |
| 17:18.16 | kathryngz | Thanks for fixing! Will update. |
| 17:18.49 | TimRiker | nah. our svn server should be setup to do this, but it's not. so I'm doing it manually |
| 17:19.03 | kathryngz | aargh, says file is conflicted when I try to update. |
| 17:19.25 | kathryngz | I usually just mark the conflict resolved, but is there a better way to handle that? |
| 17:19.31 | TimRiker | :( sry. should have said something before I checked it in. |
| 17:19.39 | kathryngz | No, not your fault... |
| 17:19.43 | kathryngz | this happens from time to time. |
| 17:19.46 | TimRiker | just commit yours and I'll do it again. |
| 17:20.02 | kathryngz | It won't let me commit without some resolution--should I just mark it resolved? |
| 17:20.16 | kathryngz | That's that I usually do, not knowing what else to do <wry grin> |
| 17:20.32 | TimRiker | not sure what your interface offers. effectively you just want to overwrite what's there. |
| 17:20.59 | TimRiker | on the command line I would normally move mine out of the way, do an update, move mine back and commit. |
| 17:21.18 | TimRiker | marking it resolved sounds right. try it. |
| 17:22.50 | kathryngz | Okay, I think we're good :) |
| 17:22.51 | kathryngz | Thanks! |
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| 18:26.16 | TimRiker | kathryngz, did you get all the ** issues resolved that you expected? |
| 18:27.06 | kathryngz | oddly, no... there are two tags in the user guide that aren't translating, but I verified that they are in the database. |
| 18:27.32 | kathryngz | Spent about 10 minutes on it and said "forget this"--I'm going to type in the info for Hiroki and get the files sent to her, and troubleshoot it later :) |
| 18:27.38 | TimRiker | when you say database, do you mean database or php files? we are reading from the php files. |
| 18:27.42 | kathryngz | Database. |
| 18:27.48 | kathryngz | OH!!!!! |
| 18:27.51 | TimRiker | we are not reading from the database. |
| 18:28.11 | kathryngz | I thought we were by now... you probably said this yesterday and it just didn't sink in |
| 18:28.25 | kathryngz | How close are we to reading from the database? |
| 18:28.47 | kathryngz | Not a huge deal, just curious. |
| 18:28.53 | TimRiker | I don't have a plan for distributing or versioning the sql content. so I'm still pointing to the php files. |
| 18:29.06 | TimRiker | got a plan? |
| 18:29.25 | kathryngz | You mean just for translation? |
| 18:29.37 | TimRiker | that too |
| 18:29.53 | kathryngz | You mean everything in the database? |
| 18:30.00 | kathryngz | I'm not sure I'm clear on what you're asking... |
| 18:30.14 | TimRiker | oh, right. just the sql translations you're working on. |
| 18:30.35 | TimRiker | though we should also ship basic area/storehouse changes around somehow. |
| 18:30.36 | kathryngz | Being new to localization, I'm not sure what best practices are. |
| 18:30.54 | kathryngz | Do you have a recommendation for how to handle it? |
| 18:31.03 | kathryngz | This is a new area for me. |
| 18:31.19 | TimRiker | the php files, or the json files before them are/were under svn version control. the sql tables are not. |
| 18:31.52 | kathryngz | Wow. I didn't realize the database didn't have some equivlant to svn. |
| 18:32.09 | TimRiker | so, although the sql tables are easier to edit, without version control, it's really just a tool for editing, not a release plan. |
| 18:32.14 | kathryngz | Right. |
| 18:32.21 | kathryngz | And a risky one. |
| 18:32.27 | TimRiker | nods |
| 18:32.30 | kathryngz | How does the Church normally handle this? |
| 18:32.50 | kathryngz | I never got into the ins and outs of this at FedEx, but I know they did regular and incremantal backups... |
| 18:32.54 | kathryngz | Not exactly the same thing... |
| 18:32.59 | TimRiker | different projects have different strategies. |
| 18:33.24 | kathryngz | I don't think I'm qualified to recommend a strategy, though I'm willing to give input :) |
| 18:33.29 | TimRiker | out servers get backups, I don't think we are backing up mysql separately today. we should be, but we are not. |
| 18:33.36 | kathryngz | Can we start? |
| 18:33.51 | kathryngz | How hard would it be? |
| 18:33.57 | TimRiker | I'm asking around to see what the options are. don't have a plan yet. |
| 18:34.14 | kathryngz | It's like you said earlier--technically I know it's not difficult, but ... :) |
| 18:35.09 | kathryngz | Sounds like we need to add that to the list of outstanding items... or do you consider it part of getting the production environment ready? |
| 18:35.58 | josephscott | are you trying to revision the data in the DB, or just the DB schemas ? |
| 18:36.18 | kathryngz | Both, I believe... Tim? |
| 18:41.27 | josephscott | for schemas many projects end up storing a DB version in the DB and then ALTER'ing as needed for each DB version |
| 18:43.35 | TimRiker | we store a schema revision, and then in svn patch files to update to newer schemas. |
| 18:44.15 | josephscott | yep, that is a common approach |
| 18:44.25 | TimRiker | but we don't store "starter" data to get going. areas, storehouses, temp admin user all would be nice. |
| 18:44.39 | josephscott | steven did something like that for CPAS and we do basically the same thing in WordPress |
| 18:44.50 | TimRiker | and we don't auto-apply schema updates. some projects do that too. |
| 18:45.49 | josephscott | primer data can be helpful, is this an app that will have many production installs, or just one? for the just one case primer data is likely only helpful for devs |
| 18:45.54 | TimRiker | ie: request the home page, and we discover, hey! the code wants schema x but we're x-3. better apply those 3 patches now... |
| 18:46.44 | josephscott | right, auto schema updates generally make me nervous, but if it is the right solution to your issues |
| 18:46.53 | TimRiker | josephscott, mostly dev interest. there will be a dev site and a production site as well as personal installs. not a huge deal. a readme with "create this" would be enough. |
| 18:47.49 | TimRiker | auto schema updates make me nervous too, but so does not having them. |
| 18:48.29 | TimRiker | somewhere in the middle would be to check for our schema rev and error out if we don't match. at least then the manual step won't get missed. |
| 18:49.04 | josephscott | yep, for WordPress we check for schema updates anytime someone goes into the admin area |
| 18:49.23 | TimRiker | fire drill |
| 18:49.33 | josephscott | but the regular user facing side doesn't trigger (or even look) for that |
| 19:32.54 | TimRiker | rumor is that someone stirred up a cloud in the lunch room and caused the alarm. didn't see anything, just a rumor. we're back and ok. :) |
| 19:33.38 | josephscott | is happy to see no large blooms of smoke over the Riverton area |
| 19:33.56 | TimRiker | subway was busy though. :) |
| 19:34.19 | josephscott | fire drill is a great excuse to go out to eat :-) |
| 19:34.33 | TimRiker | :) |
| 19:34.55 | TimRiker | josephscott, are you actively working on any of the tech projects? if so, which? |
| 19:35.47 | josephscott | not currently, I started looking through the tech.lds.org info again, hard to tell the current status of various projects |
| 19:36.44 | josephscott | since I haven't touched java in more than a decade I'm not likely to be much help on those, so I generally stick to PHP (since that is my day job for many years) |
| 19:36.59 | josephscott | which the church has a bit of a love/hate relationship with ;-) |
| 19:38.41 | TimRiker | wait. there's some love? :) |
| 19:38.58 | josephscott | I worked on CPAS, and YSA (before that got shuffled into limbo) and spent time meeting with smootar_ and bryan about open source & distributed work models |
| 19:39.16 | TimRiker | are you local? |
| 19:39.23 | josephscott | hehe, well, the ratio is more like 99% hate 0.00000000001% love ;-) |
| 19:39.27 | josephscott | I live in sandy |
| 19:39.32 | TimRiker | kewel |
| 19:40.24 | TimRiker | I'm trying to get up some gumption to look at coda. not managed to do it yet. |
| 19:40.38 | josephscott | haha! |
| 19:41.10 | josephscott | I was happy to hear you were backing working for the church, I've heard good things about you in local open source circles |
| 19:43.04 | tdeforest | i think we're all happy to have Tim on board :) |
| 19:45.36 | josephscott | oh, and we love <strike>abusing</strike> playing with ibot on #uphpu |
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| 20:07.57 | CIA-95 | ldstech: Timriker https://tech.lds.org * r21642 /wiki/BSIR_Test_Outlines: |
| 20:08.30 | TimRiker | grins. welcome to live wiki updates |
| 20:09.43 | CIA-95 | ldstech: Timriker https://tech.lds.org * r21643 /wiki/BSIR_Test_Outlines: commit message here... whitespace |
| 20:10.26 | josephscott | woot! |
| 20:10.48 | josephscott | bonus points for linking to the actual page and diff ;-) |
| 20:11.26 | TimRiker | :) |
| 21:12.20 | tdeforest | aamonson: is the testing getting underway there? |
| 21:13.07 | aamonson | tdeforest: setting up. want us to call you? |
| 21:13.38 | tdeforest | that would be great: 801-709-0763 |
| 21:14.00 | TimRiker | do you really want to post your phone number online in the logs? |
| 21:14.44 | tdeforest | um, when you put it that way, no, i don't |
| 21:15.56 | tdeforest | is there an undo for mistakes like that? |
| 21:16.02 | TimRiker | hehe. you should consider channel msgs on irc to be public. anyone can log them, and infobot here does. private msgs on irc should generally be considered private like an email. no forwarding without asking. |
| 21:16.23 | TimRiker | I can update the logs after they roll tonight. |
| 21:16.49 | TimRiker | note: infobot does not log things that start with spaces, but again, anyone else in the channel might. |
| 21:17.07 | TimRiker | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:17.26 | tdeforest | nice |
| 21:18.21 | josephscott | just don't trust that to make it private, as TimRiker mentioned, anyone else could be logging this as well |
| 21:18.52 | TimRiker | agreed. things like your phone number, email etc you should /msg the person directly. |
| 21:19.36 | TimRiker | it's that GvzEvxre guy. I'm sure it's his fault. |
| 21:20.22 | josephscott | :-) |
| 21:20.35 | TimRiker | ~rot13 josephscott |
| 21:20.35 | infobot | wbfrcufpbgg |
| 21:21.28 | josephscott | yep, gotta love good old rot13 |
| 21:21.47 | TimRiker | and rot26 for double the security! |
| 21:23.39 | TimRiker | what's the test joomla url I should be testing right now? /me pokes aamonson |
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| 21:25.13 | joshrees | https://jira-test.ldschurch.org/jira-test/ |
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| 21:27.43 | tdeforest_ | joshrees: when I log in with my new account I get the following error: This e-mail is already registered. If you forgot your password, click on the Forgot your password link and a new password will be sent to you. |
| 21:30.50 | TimRiker | joshrees, I meant the joomala url.. but ok. :) |
| 21:31.15 | joshrees | http://10.118.192.144/ |
| 21:32.17 | TimRiker | someone(tm) needs to enter a hostname for that. will sso work if it's under ldschurch.org? (in the future) |
| 21:36.35 | aamonson | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:56.53 | TimRiker | This e-mail is already registered. If you forgot your password, click on the Forgot your password link and a new password will be sent to you. |
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| 22:09.20 | dstaheli | Gospel Library for Windows Phone 7 is available for beta testing. Please send anyone my way who wants to participate. |
| 22:32.50 | TimRiker | grumbles about the topic... I'd put it there if I had access |
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