| 02:36:32 | Disconnect | wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 02:38:09 | flypiper | hey now ..your having tooooo much fun!! |
| 02:40:23 | Disconnect | heh hanging out on #linpeople |
| 02:40:37 | flypiper | ahhhhh |
| 02:41:08 | flypiper | do they have newbies that don't answer ya?? |
| 02:41:12 | Disconnect | btw I think we should grab people in the next week or so and start kiss rolling again. I can't be a one-man-show while unemployed but I suspect we can find people with the time/energy to get it moving again, sort of a 'board of directors' type thing. |
| 02:41:51 | flypiper | sure...Im with what ever you want to do...anyway I can help lemme know |
| 02:41:56 | Disconnect | if we can't find people with that much time/energy then no biggie, it can stay on hold.. but those jffs images are turning up in too many interesting places to let it idle until dead, and I'm nto sure when I can start.. |
| 02:42:03 | Disconnect | ..? |
| 02:42:45 | flypiper | well we can start with dc..he has lots of enery |
| 02:42:56 | flypiper | and I think he is very interested.... |
| 02:43:18 | Disconnect | ok .. for now, nothing.. but I'm thinking we'll need to find trustworthy reliable people soon. |
| 02:43:55 | flypiper | OK |
| 02:44:11 | flypiper | what can I do? |
| 02:44:17 | Disconnect | (when its something like package maintainer, reliability isn't as important as ability.. but for something like this, these people will basically be in charge of the dist - with overrides of course - so someone who won't wander off is more important than a guy who is a technical wiz) |
| 02:44:41 | Disconnect | dc is prolly good. not sure how much free time he has tho - its still in that huge-amounts-of-time stage unfortunately. |
| 02:44:54 | Disconnect | fulltime job type ;) |
| 02:45:56 | Disconnect | for now, start thinking on a list.. we'll "get together" in the next couple days and compare notes.. then, once there is a final list, start approaching people.. |
| 02:46:02 | Disconnect | for now, keep it quiet.. |
| 02:46:14 | flypiper | sure thing... |
| 02:47:35 | Disconnect | bold blinking siren-alerts note: don't tell CRL - last time I did the "this isn't ready for public consumption" the first thing they did was tell everyone. |
| 02:47:52 | Disconnect | in the end that worked out ok for CRL, but it screwed me pretty good. |
| 02:48:10 | flypiper | I didn't tell a sole..... |
| 02:48:30 | flypiper | just latley have mentioned it when someone asked about it |
| 02:48:39 | flypiper | so most ppl think it's dead |
| 02:49:30 | Disconnect | yah thats cool |
| 02:49:38 | Disconnect | isn't gonna name names |
| 02:49:41 | flypiper | you should freaking know by now... I don't spew... |
| 02:50:28 | Disconnect | but we had the discussion about keeping it quiet for now, I said "we're not ready for a web page or list but you seem to want to set it up so go ahead" and they ignored the first half of the discussion - "its not ready for public scrutiny" and did the announcement |
| 02:51:05 | Disconnect | yep |
| 02:51:20 | flypiper | yep.....they were pushing I think |
| 02:51:27 | Disconnect | and MonMotha never pays attention.. some of this may make it out via ibot logs, but I doubt it. |
| 02:52:03 | flypiper | I doubt it either.. |
| 02:52:45 | Disconnect | yep. and (as I said before) it benifited them just fine.. things got straightened out.. |
| 02:53:02 | Disconnect | it just screwed me which I cold have really fucking done without.. |
| 02:53:40 | Disconnect | the onyl processing ibot's logs get is the web page, and I run that (so if something especially bad hits a "random quote" I'll just rerun it) |
| 02:53:44 | flypiper | yep..did for a while...but what's happening now..seems things have kinda stopped...or has the merger had things in a questionable state? |
| 02:53:47 | | rumour has it irc stats is http://sigkill9.tripod.com/handhelds.org.html (updated semi-automatically every day or 2) |
| 02:53:47 | Disconnect | ibot: irc stats |
| 02:56:05 | Disconnect | now kiss is stopped because I can't do the fulltime-job thing without worrying about whether I'm spending too mujch time on that and not jobhunting. |
| 02:56:10 | Disconnect | thats not a worry I want ;) |
| 02:57:02 | MonMotha | huh? |
| 02:57:24 | flypiper | shawn, I understand completly....I screw with my ipaq's and end up not getting my billing done...:( |
| 02:57:50 | flypiper | wonders who woke MonMotha up |
| 02:58:23 | MonMotha | disconnect mentioning my name |
| 03:01:03 | Disconnect | MonMotha: yep |
| 03:01:19 | Disconnect | MonMotha: just saying you don't pay attention to #kiss ;) |
| 03:01:45 | MonMotha | only if you ask me to :) |
| 03:02:08 | Disconnect | is pondering setting up a "board of developers^Wdirectors" for kiss so I can get it going again without spending the 60hrs/wk it needs. |
| 03:02:31 | Disconnect | and then, once the mortgage gets paid again (by either myself or the fiance) going back to doing the 80hrs.. |
| 03:03:02 | Disconnect | basically exchanging New Dist Step 1 (Make A Dist In Your Spare Time) with New Dist Step 3 (Get People To Maintain It) ;) |
| 03:03:15 | MonMotha | I've been doing a fair amount of tiny linux work recently |
| 03:03:40 | MonMotha | I've got a busybox/uclibc based router, has basically every networking util linux has |
| 03:04:00 | Disconnect | wouldn't have had this discussion in here if you weren't destined for the short list of people to approach ;) |
| 03:04:33 | Disconnect | trick is its a 2-pronged approach - get busybox better, and (concurrently) file patches/bugs at debian and fam to make them work with busybox |
| 03:04:44 | Disconnect | will brb |
| 03:08:48 | Disconnect | uhoh.. this laptops eems to be falling apart :( |
| 03:09:24 | Disconnect | some of the keybaord doesn't work, and I just noticed that the screen slams open/shut under it's own weight (move it 10' off vertical and it falls closed.. or 5' back and it falls open..) |
| 03:09:39 | Disconnect | wishes he had money to fix it |
| 03:09:41 | MonMotha | kinda like mine? (which I do need to get to flypiper some time...been so busy lately) |
| 03:10:01 | flypiper | Disconnect: what model and make? |
| 03:10:35 | Disconnect | this one has taken a header off the recliner (while open) three times |
| 03:10:55 | Disconnect | am really amazed the lcd survived (it landed on it each time, and snapped shut) |
| 03:10:58 | Disconnect | dell latitude |
| 03:11:09 | Disconnect | cover says CPx |
| 03:11:32 | Disconnect | suspects he can fix the screen hinges by openening it again - gotta do that anyway to clean the cpu fan again.. |
| 03:11:40 | flypiper | dunno if I can get dell parts..but will look into it tomorrow..keyboards are usually cheap |
| 03:12:21 | Disconnect | the keyboard... maybe its just the ribbon cable loose or dirt under the keys.. but maybe not.. if not, I'm screwed (the most-used keys - left-side modifiers - are going) |
| 03:12:47 | flypiper | if you take it out...is there a part # anyplace? |
| 03:12:52 | flypiper | do you remember? |
| 03:13:06 | MonMotha | yeah, I have a dell PS/2 keyboard that the left ctl key is basically dead, and the 1 doesn't work well |
| 03:13:12 | Disconnect | its remarkably simple inside. the only pisser is the fan in back (roughly 1" muffin fan) is attached to the cpu heatsink, which is fine except you have to take the entire laptop apart to get to it.. |
| 03:13:22 | Disconnect | takes 20-40 minutes :( |
| 03:13:24 | MonMotha | so I bought a ncie IBM onw |
| 03:14:00 | Disconnect | lemme check the bottom |
| 03:14:39 | Disconnect | can't send it to dell - it was forgotten by a startup that folded, and should have been auctioned except they never asked for it back in the year between when I left and when they died, so I never mentioned it.. |
| 03:14:59 | Disconnect | latitude C, model ppx |
| 03:15:21 | flypiper | doesn't care how you got it...but with all the help you have given me....the least I can do is find a keyboard for ya |
| 03:16:46 | Disconnect | heh |
| 03:17:07 | Disconnect | how about a cpufan or fan+heatsink+heatgoo instead? ;) |
| 03:17:07 | flypiper | ill look into it tomorrow...should be in the office |
| 03:17:24 | MonMotha | I need to get a couple more CF cards to I can play around with thigns |
| 03:17:29 | flypiper | sure...but prolly need a part number ?? |
| 03:18:14 | flypiper | hold that thought Dis....might be able to find something on their site ..or customer service |
| 03:19:13 | flypiper | what processor is it? |
| 03:19:20 | flypiper | speed |
| 03:20:32 | flypiper | MonMotha: you just need to meet me for lunch in Niple sometime and play with mine... |
| 03:20:54 | MonMotha | I know :) |
| 03:21:36 | Disconnect | model name: Pentium III (Coppermine) |
| 03:21:43 | Disconnect | stepping: 1 |
| 03:21:48 | Disconnect | cpu MHz: 448.625 |
| 03:21:58 | Disconnect | thought it was faster |
| 03:22:10 | MonMotha | better than mine :) |
| 03:22:36 | flypiper | I gotta 8M monster that boots Tangents initrd...all you have to do is install a dual boot bootldr and slip it in my sleeve and your set |
| 03:22:51 | flypiper | great Disconnect....I'll look into it tomorrow.. |
| 03:23:09 | flypiper | remembers that shipping to Dis is kinda a problem |
| 03:23:16 | flypiper | LOL |
| 03:24:04 | Disconnect | flypiper: you try my initrd yet? |
| 03:25:00 | Disconnect | heh yah but thats straight njow, since we're home all the time |
| 03:25:12 | flypiper | I was playing with it earlier... and it boots and loads the nic ,,, but just has a blue background and never gets to anything else |
| 03:26:06 | flypiper | I don't know about the vfat partition, seems that you can't just add and remove files from it..... I have to reformat it everytime I add or change something |
| 03:26:20 | Disconnect | blue? odd |
| 03:26:33 | Disconnect | initrd.gz right? not the (older broken) initrd |
| 03:26:48 | flypiper | yea it's the background before it shows you a selection .. |
| 03:27:09 | MonMotha | ok USB networking does NOT get along witht he bridging code |
| 03:27:16 | MonMotha | though it does work, it has terrible latency |
| 03:27:31 | flypiper | your first image would show a linux or none selection and then boot matchbox with a keyboard |
| 03:27:55 | flypiper | I just downloaded initrd.gz today from kiss |
| 03:28:11 | flypiper | just in case it had changed ..recently |
| 03:29:09 | Disconnect | not matchbox. picogui |
| 03:29:34 | flypiper | ahh sorry |
| 03:31:38 | flypiper | is away...smoke |
| 03:38:55 | flypiper | back |
| 03:39:41 | flypiper | hmmm must be a bug in 2.4.18....loaded the kernel image from debian on my notebook and it can't access ext2 filesystem...same error I got compiling it from src |
| 03:39:59 | flypiper | gonna have to dig into that |
| 03:40:30 | Disconnect | smoke rules |
| 03:41:18 | flypiper | yep..Im holding a Fuente President..for the day you visit Indiana1 |
| 03:42:57 | flypiper | MonMotha: you gonna get your notebook to me this week? I gotta order a couple of HDD's for my boxes |
| 03:43:37 | Disconnect | heh |
| 03:44:23 | flypiper | Disconnect: that is a good 3 hr cigar |
| 03:44:43 | flypiper | with of coarse your favorite libation!! |
| 03:51:36 | flypiper | gents.. Im gonna have to go to bed. got up at 4:30 this morning and was on the west side of Chicago at 8...getting tired |
| 03:52:13 | Disconnect | heh cya man |
| 03:52:19 | Disconnect | hey how far from chi-town are you? |
| 03:52:50 | flypiper | well round trip was 440 mi.. so about 220 |
| 03:53:00 | flypiper | 3hrs drive |
| 03:53:07 | flypiper | 1.5 via company plane |
| 03:53:25 | Disconnect | ahh.. ok. what direction? |
| 03:53:28 | Disconnect | hey...... |
| 03:53:38 | Disconnect | you know, we've got an airport 5 mins (literally) away.. |
| 03:53:54 | flypiper | Indy is south and a little east |
| 03:54:03 | Disconnect | www.freewayaviation.com |
| 03:54:27 | flypiper | yep haven't forgot...just got the plane fixed last week... gotta get a physical in the next 2 weeks.. |
| 03:54:34 | Disconnect | fly out next month, come to the beginning of summer pool party/bbq |
| 03:54:36 | flypiper | cool.... |
| 03:54:57 | Disconnect | prolly mid may or so assuming weather improves again |
| 03:55:06 | flypiper | never know... might surprise ya |
| 03:55:12 | Disconnect | on a saturday of course, and we can provide crash space |
| 03:55:29 | Disconnect | (and I'm not kidding about how close that airport is..) |
| 03:55:32 | flypiper | as long as you come over during hay season and drive a tractor for me |
| 03:55:41 | Disconnect | 3 mins to 50, 2 mins on 50.. |
| 03:55:42 | flypiper | LOL |
| 03:56:13 | flypiper | Ok...gotta crash..cya |
| 03:56:34 | Disconnect | heh fly me out and I can.. otherwise its a buttload of $$ even to drive :( |
| 03:57:27 | Disconnect | cya |
| 04:13:31 | | Disconnect: Something failed in connecting to the NOAA web server. Try again later. |
| 04:13:31 | Disconnect | ibot: weather kbwi |
| 04:13:54 | | Disconnect: Something failed in connecting to the NOAA web server. Try again later. |
| 04:13:54 | Disconnect | ibot: weather kbwi |
| 04:13:54 | Disconnect | damnit |
| 04:14:14 | | Disconnect: excuse me? |
| 04:14:14 | Disconnect | ibot: fuck off |
| 04:14:44 | MonMotha | I'd say it's NOAA server is borked |
| 04:38:06 | | Disconnect: Something failed in connecting to the NOAA web server. Try again later. |
| 04:38:06 | Disconnect | ibot: weather kbwi |
| 04:38:46 | | Disconnect: i'm not following you... |
| 04:38:46 | Disconnect | ibot: get a life |
| 04:51:11 | MonMotha | ok, so where do you read ksyms from if you don't have access to /proc/ksyms |
| 04:51:11 | MonMotha | ? |
| 05:16:08 | Disconnect | there is a file in /var/log.. |
| 05:16:22 | Disconnect | but on ipaq thats in ramdisk |
| 05:25:46 | Disconnect | there is a file in /var/log.. |
| 05:25:52 | Disconnect | but on ipaq thats in ramdisk |
| 05:33:21 | Disconnect | btw just fyi I'm chatting w/ a7r about the BoD thing just cuz I can.. |
| 06:52:04 | Disconnect | is away: sleep.. cya tomorrow.. |
| 15:43:49 | Disconnect | is away: [detached] hacking on laptops |
| 19:37:31 | flypiper | Disconnect? |
| 20:37:14 | Disconnect | is away: [detached] - gentoo! |