| 00:00:01 | france | good night everybody. |
| 00:00:16 | Disconnect | cya france |
| 00:00:22 | Disconnect | I'll do my homework, we'll chat tomorrow. |
| 00:01:24 | Disconnect | btw flypiper building all new lib packages, w/ ldconfig etc. not necessary for you now but next time we do a fresh install it'll help. I hope. |
| 00:04:43 | flypiper | is away food time |
| 00:04:50 | Disconnect | ok feed |
| 00:05:06 | Disconnect | when you get back we'll see what sup w/ xstroke (ipaqstat is simple - its not there ;) ..) |
| 00:10:08 | Disconnect | ibot: message for france: just an aside, today's email sounds basically like what I was saying (although in more detail) .. so far at least (gotten to jamey's summation). I hadn't followed it down to the package/dist level yet, just the general "what does it take to get a key into the system" .. which shouldn't involve passports and the like (and I'm glad to see that it doesn't) |
| 00:12:50 | Disconnect | flypiper: at some point (prolly overnight) I'm gonna make an identical task-bootstrap except it'll use kiss urls instead of intimate. |
| 00:33:16 | flypiper | back |
| 00:33:47 | flypiper | someone tell me are grilled cheese sandwiches supposed to be black on one side and brown on the other??? |
| 00:34:54 | Disconnect | usually end up that way |
| 00:35:54 | flypiper | cool..thought I had something different |
| 00:36:46 | flypiper | Ok xstroke...when tries to open ...slides windows over on task bar |
| 00:37:18 | Disconnect | so what happens when you run xstroke from cmdline? does it run or no? |
| 00:37:45 | flypiper | same..no |
| 00:38:44 | Disconnect | what error? |
| 00:39:29 | flypiper | doesn't give an error when I touch the screen..get a location box |
| 00:39:36 | Disconnect | location box?? |
| 00:40:13 | flypiper | just a small box in the center of screen with 314x215 in it |
| 00:40:21 | Disconnect | ahh. odd. |
| 00:40:50 | flypiper | if I move around it doesn't change...same 314x215 |
| 00:40:59 | Disconnect | sounds like you are in resize mode somehow. |
| 00:42:47 | Disconnect | odd. lemme ponder a bit, brb. |
| 00:43:06 | flypiper | OK...rotation is good to go...lcd frontlight works |
| 00:45:15 | Disconnect | so its ONLY xstroke that does that? |
| 00:45:49 | flypiper | yep |
| 00:45:59 | Disconnect | thats just fsckered |
| 00:47:52 | flypiper | where should base-files.arm.deb ...be located....I have it in / |
| 00:48:03 | Disconnect | anywhere. just dpkg -i it (then you can remove it) |
| 00:48:12 | flypiper | OK |
| 00:49:57 | Disconnect | is about to reflash and reinstall, in the hopes of recreating this. |
| 00:50:19 | flypiper | hmm |
| 00:50:44 | flypiper | dpkg: /var/lib/dpkg/status: No such file or dir |
| 00:50:49 | Disconnect | aggg |
| 00:51:07 | Disconnect | ln -s /usr/var/lib /var/lib |
| 00:51:08 | flypiper | cd /var.....ls.....log,run,tmp,lock |
| 00:51:15 | flypiper | ok |
| 00:51:17 | Disconnect | adds that to the startup and creats a new basefiles |
| 00:51:24 | Disconnect | nice timing, was JUST about to reboot ;) |
| 00:51:39 | flypiper | I told ya im a slow typer |
| 00:51:42 | Disconnect | hehe |
| 00:52:08 | Disconnect | hrm should have done it. ... ahh. had the args backwards. doh! |
| 00:53:05 | flypiper | not that slow..how to remove..above |
| 00:53:57 | Disconnect | rm -rf /var/lib ; ln -s /usr/var/lib /var/lib ; dpkg -i |
| 00:55:31 | flypiper | isn't that what we had? |
| 00:56:03 | Disconnect | I had it backwards (ln -s /var/lib /usr/var/lib) so it was fsckered |
| 00:56:47 | Disconnect | if in doubt, fix that line in /linuxrc and reset.. but in a few I'll be installed and we'll know more ;) (flashing now) |
| 00:57:11 | flypiper | :) |
| 00:57:49 | Disconnect | lights a candle, in the hopes that its lucky |
| 00:58:22 | Disconnect | and sometime tonight or early tomorrow I'll move everything over to kiss.handhelds.org and update the task-bootstrap again w/ the new url in install-kiss. |
| 00:58:37 | flypiper | cool |
| 00:59:42 | Disconnect | is much fond of this init thing.. hope it works ;) |
| 00:59:48 | flypiper | ln: /usr/var/lib/lib: File exists |
| 01:00:16 | Disconnect | ok rm -rf /var/lib /usr/var/lib/lib ; ln -s /usr/var/lib /var/lib |
| 01:01:01 | flypiper | OK |
| 01:01:03 | Disconnect | wonders why he just saw "Toshiba" written on the front of a Caddy formula racer. |
| 01:02:02 | flypiper | Memory fault |
| 01:02:10 | Disconnect | thats ok (I hope) ;) |
| 01:02:16 | flypiper | aaahhh |
| 01:02:23 | Disconnect | good or bad? |
| 01:03:20 | Disconnect | booting now :) |
| 01:03:25 | flypiper | rebooted...same..had to manual start ion |
| 01:04:06 | flypiper | gtk-warning....Unable to locate module libthinice.so |
| 01:04:19 | Disconnect | Setting up base-modules (1.0-1) SIGSEGV |
| 01:05:42 | Disconnect | is hoping that doesn't matter |
| 01:09:56 | flypiper | you have the same thing I do? |
| 01:10:18 | Disconnect | so far just the memory fault and/or sigsegv. |
| 01:10:22 | Disconnect | installing otherwise |
| 01:10:48 | flypiper | ok ..the image hasn't changed ..has it? |
| 01:11:06 | Disconnect | not AFAIK |
| 01:11:45 | Disconnect | last change was to make it use init |
| 01:12:06 | flypiper | I haven't downloaded ...since last night |
| 01:12:39 | Disconnect | is rebooting |
| 01:12:55 | Disconnect | grr "attempt to kill init" |
| 01:13:56 | Disconnect | thinks he can fix that. with another base-files ;) |
| 01:16:27 | Disconnect | aggg. "init: applet not found" |
| 01:18:06 | Disconnect | thought there was an image out w/ init :( |
| 01:18:55 | flypiper | remembers you saying you were going to add it.. |
| 01:19:34 | Disconnect | yep. gonna see wtf is up now ;) |
| 01:19:45 | flypiper | cool |
| 01:21:40 | flypiper | term is Ok |
| 01:22:52 | Disconnect | retrying |
| 01:23:18 | flypiper | smoke |
| 01:26:38 | Disconnect | OOM |
| 01:26:49 | Disconnect | 1308 root 5 -10 596M 210M 1428 S < 0.0 41.9 2390m XFree86 |
| 01:26:51 | Disconnect | sigh. bbiab. |
| 01:30:08 | Disconnect | thats better |
| 01:30:20 | Disconnect | has a bootstrap that he -knows- has init.......... except (DOH!) it replaces busybox during install. that'd do it. |
| 01:37:07 | Disconnect | ok reflashing again. think this'll work |
| 01:42:55 | Disconnect | bbiab |
| 01:52:46 | Disconnect | retrying install now |
| 01:57:17 | flypiper | Ok just playing with html |
| 01:57:33 | flypiper | you remember where to look? |
| 02:01:18 | flypiper | is away ..for a few |
| 02:04:18 | Disconnect | not off the top of my head :( |
| 02:05:00 | flypiper | logoexpression |
| 02:05:09 | Disconnect | will bbiab - guests over :( |
| 02:05:16 | Disconnect | ok will check it when I get back.. |
| 02:28:14 | Disconnect | is gonna have to add timeout retrie to busybox-wget |
| 02:31:03 | Disconnect | really really have to add that timeout retry (30 seconds w/o data, start over) |
| 02:34:19 | flypiper | got an idea of xstroke problem? |
| 02:35:54 | Disconnect | testing now |
| 02:38:36 | Disconnect | ok if you click the "desktop" it does the move box. but if you click xstroke it should work (might be a calibration issue) at least, it works for me. |
| 02:38:48 | Disconnect | what isn't working for me (yet) is the gtk theme |
| 02:42:04 | Disconnect | is working on that (well asking around anyway) |
| 02:52:46 | flypiper | is away |
| 02:56:38 | Disconnect | ok that fixed. |
| 02:57:16 | flypiper | back |
| 02:57:18 | flypiper | cool |
| 03:03:07 | Disconnect | re |
| 03:03:16 | Disconnect | ok about to make new packages. following changes: |
| 03:03:33 | Disconnect | add 'rm' to do-download so that it doesn't fill ramdisk. seems to slightly help the dpkg crashes. |
| 03:03:41 | Disconnect | fix the double-download of LIST |
| 03:03:52 | Disconnect | exec /bin/busybox init in linuxrc (so it actually works) |
| 03:04:02 | Disconnect | add path to /etc/init.d/rcS so that, too, works. |
| 03:04:11 | Disconnect | module_path in .gtkrc so that the theme works |
| 03:04:42 | Disconnect | update /etc/init.d/rcS further to support restoring xcalibrate config |
| 03:05:30 | Disconnect | well except for the fact that ion cratered, its an amazingly fast boot process. |
| 03:06:38 | Disconnect | ok so new stuff to test in 30 mins or so (build it, upload it, etc) |
| 03:07:32 | Disconnect | can you think of anything I'm missing? |
| 03:09:04 | flypiper | im skuffing...I agree it boots really fast. |
| 03:09:28 | flypiper | I love the boot speed for the mdrive!! |
| 03:10:03 | Disconnect | yep. whole thing is just a matter of "get working as fast as possible" .. and "let them know we're working" ;) |
| 03:10:32 | flypiper | yep...are you gonna add peff in script before boot? |
| 03:10:38 | flypiper | pef..sorry |
| 03:10:59 | flypiper | or did you fix that? |
| 03:11:15 | flypiper | or/something/user does? |
| 03:11:46 | Disconnect | there is no way to do that. when you turn it on, it reads boot/params off flash.. when you do 'load root' it then does NOT reread it unless you reset or type 'pef'.. thats a bootldr bug. |
| 03:12:03 | flypiper | OK |
| 03:14:29 | flypiper | all of the sudden Vim opens.... |
| 03:15:15 | flypiper | ahh maybe just a term window |
| 03:15:55 | Disconnect | prolly just rxvt |
| 03:16:29 | flypiper | yep |
| 03:22:16 | flypiper | wish I had something for my 3850.. |
| 03:23:00 | Disconnect | what package is that module you need in? |
| 03:23:10 | flypiper | that's where kiss will shine>>> |
| 03:23:28 | Disconnect | heh |
| 03:23:31 | Disconnect | if I had one ;) |
| 03:23:40 | flypiper | smc91c92.so.c? |
| 03:23:44 | Disconnect | yah |
| 03:24:51 | flypiper | I just have the module...don't worry about it..I can load it |
| 03:25:15 | Disconnect | ok |
| 03:25:15 | flypiper | appreciate it tho |
| 03:25:58 | flypiper | that's something I need to find for Linux users: the doc on drivers\modules..it on web someplace |
| 03:26:34 | flypiper | found a nice listing of nic/driver-module...and lost the location. |
| 03:27:11 | flypiper | Ill look for it while ..waiting |
| 03:27:26 | Disconnect | uploading new task-bootstrap and packages. should actually install and work now (well once I finish uploading) |
| 03:28:09 | flypiper | cool |
| 03:28:50 | flypiper | I think that users get frustrated by the lack of docs...this works...but where is it?? |
| 03:31:13 | Disconnect | thinks booting in a couple of seconds flat will do a lot for kiss in the pda-style usage model (wow I sound like a VP today ;) ..) |
| 03:31:31 | Disconnect | I think it even boots faster than WinCE. |
| 03:32:05 | Disconnect | ok task-bootstrap is up kiss.handhelds |
| 03:32:38 | flypiper | OK...VP..I thought Pres? |
| 03:32:44 | Disconnect | go ahead and flash it and get ready, but don't run the install-kiss script yet.. still gotta update the task-base LIST file (and finish uploading the new libgtk package) |
| 03:32:57 | Disconnect | heh |
| 03:33:19 | flypiper | heh |
| 03:34:11 | Disconnect | did you see the guy last night who was all "will compaq give me free stuff so I can test it for them, even though I don't know enough to run linux, much less test beyond 'i put it in and it didnt work'"..? |
| 03:34:57 | flypiper | naw, missed that laugh |
| 03:36:34 | Disconnect | ok afk for a few.. grab that image and we should be about ready when I get back.. |
| 03:36:49 | flypiper | getting it |
| 03:48:56 | Disconnect | ok everything is up there, so whenever you are ready give it a shot.. |
| 03:50:05 | flypiper | just about done ..dwnld |
| 03:52:31 | flypiper | flash..8min |
| 03:52:38 | flypiper | ahhh I love it! |
| 03:58:54 | Disconnect | heh cool |
| 03:59:27 | Disconnect | in theory this one will work great. in practice... well.. lemme know ;) |
| 03:59:44 | Disconnect | also, if you saved an /etc/xcalibrate.conf sz it before the install and it'll use it. |
| 04:00:14 | flypiper | too late..didn't save it |
| 04:02:19 | flypiper | figuring |
| 04:02:38 | flypiper | eh..press enter to activate this console...cool |
| 04:06:48 | flypiper | rascal...put kiss.hh.org in hosts |
| 04:08:30 | flypiper | aggggg wget: server 404 error |
| 04:10:19 | Disconnect | urm. lemme check the url real quick. |
| 04:11:09 | Disconnect | ah got it. gimme 3 secs. |
| 04:11:38 | Disconnect | ok run it again |
| 04:11:48 | flypiper | katy |
| 04:12:10 | Disconnect | btw sienna said to say hi earlier. |
| 04:12:33 | flypiper | gets the list...then wget: kiss.handhelds.org: Unknown host |
| 04:13:21 | flypiper | sienna is too nice..tell her hi!! and give her a squeeze for me.. |
| 04:13:35 | flypiper | has to learn how to do that across the network! |
| 04:13:44 | Disconnect | heh |
| 04:13:53 | Disconnect | unknown host?? isn't it in /etc/hosts? |
| 04:13:56 | Disconnect | thought he put it there. |
| 04:14:02 | flypiper | yep |
| 04:14:14 | flypiper | I pinged it earlier |
| 04:14:18 | Disconnect | aggggg |
| 04:14:23 | Disconnect | it hates me. thats the only explanation. |
| 04:16:03 | flypiper | hold on..it was there till I ran install-kiss now it's not there... |
| 04:16:05 | flypiper | agggg |
| 04:17:31 | Disconnect | check /etc/resolv.conf as well, make sure it is corect |
| 04:17:55 | flypiper | I replace it .....has been ok... |
| 04:18:08 | flypiper | It grabs the base-file.... |
| 04:18:25 | Disconnect | ok base-files has the old hosts file (grr) |
| 04:18:35 | flypiper | Preparing to replace base-files 1.0-5 |
| 04:18:49 | flypiper | then Removing Base-files...then Unknown host |
| 04:18:51 | Disconnect | making new base-files for you |
| 04:19:10 | flypiper | FOR ME...damn I feel honored...thanks |
| 04:19:17 | Disconnect | heh |
| 04:19:53 | flypiper | why is it removing kiss.hh.org from hosts? did it again |
| 04:19:55 | Disconnect | ok .. fix /etc/hosts then rerun install-kiss, should be ok |
| 04:20:22 | flypiper | also removed my server,,,I put in there |
| 04:20:39 | Disconnect | yah it replaces it. |
| 04:21:36 | flypiper | after Removing base-files.. |
| 04:22:10 | flypiper | dpkg: /var/lib/dpkg/info/base-files.control: No file or dir |
| 04:22:20 | flypiper | now loading base-modules |
| 04:22:35 | flypiper | after dpkg error |
| 04:22:56 | Disconnect | hrm. should have installed new base files (1.0-6) .. |
| 04:22:58 | flypiper | setting up base-files(1.0-6)...Im hoping that's OK |
| 04:23:15 | Disconnect | ok yep :) |
| 04:23:31 | flypiper | great! |
| 04:23:58 | Disconnect | I hope so ;) |
| 04:24:48 | flypiper | unpacking base-modules...setting up...SIGSEGV |
| 04:24:53 | flypiper | usual now |
| 04:25:13 | Disconnect | yah. |
| 04:25:42 | Disconnect | only issue (AFAICT) is it doesn't get into the status. but I can hit it with electricfence or some such and possibly patch it. gonna spend next week patching busybox I think. |
| 04:26:40 | flypiper | install-debian......cool |
| 04:27:55 | flypiper | I should have timed this install ....over dial-up |
| 04:28:54 | Disconnect | yah but its not really, its install familiar ;) |
| 04:28:54 | Disconnect | screwed up the package name, fixing it now ;) |
| 04:29:33 | flypiper | is glad he is watching..then |
| 04:31:34 | Disconnect | flypiper: grr pinged out. how we doing? |
| 04:31:57 | Disconnect | is gonna have to clean up permissions in ~kiss this weekend. |
| 04:32:01 | flypiper | kernel-installing |
| 04:32:19 | Disconnect | heya jg |
| 04:32:40 | flypiper | it's really nice working with you.....you haven't told me to fsck off once...like a7r!! |
| 04:32:45 | Disconnect | heh |
| 04:32:47 | Disconnect | thats the point ;) |
| 04:32:52 | Disconnect | well thats part of the point anyway. |
| 04:33:23 | Disconnect | (and FWIW, I suspect if things in general had started as bad as they got, fam wouldn't have taken off, CRL wouldn't have dropped their dist in favor of it, etc.) |
| 04:33:49 | Disconnect | btw there is a new install-fam package up (same filename) that is actually called install-familiar instead of install-debian (doh) |
| 04:34:25 | flypiper | OK...installing kernel-base ...looks good |
| 04:36:45 | flypiper | remind me on the next install to time it (dial-up)..then I will have an idea about time to boot system |
| 04:37:59 | flypiper | one of these days..I'll take her to the office and do an install |
| 04:39:31 | flypiper | is away..smoke break |
| 04:43:59 | Disconnect | kewl |
| 04:46:47 | Disconnect | heya jacques |
| 04:47:29 | jacques | hi Disconnect :-) |
| 04:47:33 | Disconnect | no release tomorrow (duh ;) ..) but I think 1.0 should be ready for next saturday. packaging still has some issues (and we're still missing an apt-get-like tool, although that can be faked quickly enough for 1.0) but its coming together.. |
| 04:48:24 | Disconnect | so far, 10 mins after I start whimpering and hiding under my desk, a solution shows up. (such as the other day, when I discovered that busybox dpkg didn't work at all.. and an hour later, bug1 showed up to fix it :) ..) |
| 04:48:50 | Disconnect | flypiper: whats the word? |
| 04:49:18 | flypiper | libm... |
| 04:57:17 | Disconnect | ok gonna be AFK, beep me a time or 2 when it finishes.. |
| 04:57:58 | flypiper | OK |
| 05:08:08 | Disconnect | re |
| 05:08:11 | Disconnect | done installing? |
| 05:08:15 | flypiper | yep |
| 05:08:26 | Disconnect | type 'reboot' and lets see what happens |
| 05:09:50 | flypiper | bunch of int font path elemnt errors |
| 05:10:03 | Disconnect | yep. thats ok - it only needs the truetype fonts. |
| 05:10:07 | flypiper | X connection to :0.0 broken |
| 05:10:24 | Disconnect | (although there will have to be a 'temporary' fontset in when we ship for real, since we can't ship the MS fonts) |
| 05:10:33 | Disconnect | agg. |
| 05:10:43 | flypiper | you got it |
| 05:11:01 | Disconnect | no ion? or no nothing? |
| 05:11:36 | flypiper | nothing.. |
| 05:11:52 | flypiper | export DISPLAY=:0.0 : ion & |
| 05:12:06 | flypiper | gives me a pid....after ion not found |
| 05:12:11 | Disconnect | nono.. just DISPLAY=:0.0 ion; |
| 05:12:32 | Disconnect | right. it forks, then execs ion. the pid is the fork. the ion not found is the exec. |
| 05:12:39 | Disconnect | s/ion/usr/X11R6/bin/ion/ |
| 05:12:41 | flypiper | ok |
| 05:13:35 | Disconnect | ponders. if we put all that into init... |
| 05:14:24 | flypiper | s/ion/usr/X11R6/bin/ion...started ion |
| 05:15:57 | Disconnect | edit /etc/inittab.. add these lines. |
| 05:16:02 | Disconnect | ::respawn:/usr/X11R6/bin/Xipaq |
| 05:16:02 | Disconnect | ::respawn:/usr/X11R6/bin/ion -display :0.0 |
| 05:16:02 | Disconnect | ::respawn:/usr/X11R6/bin/xstroke -display :0.0 |
| 05:16:47 | Disconnect | then run 'telinit q' (or if that fails, try 'init q' |
| 05:17:09 | flypiper | ok |
| 05:18:45 | Disconnect | what happened? |
| 05:21:23 | flypiper | got BusyBox..ver..ect |
| 05:21:32 | Disconnect | damn |
| 05:21:34 | flypiper | Usage: init |
| 05:21:43 | flypiper | Init is the parent of |
| 05:21:47 | flypiper | # |
| 05:21:52 | flypiper | nothing |
| 05:22:00 | Disconnect | ok gimme a sec then.. |
| 05:22:01 | flypiper | that is using init q |
| 05:22:29 | Disconnect | try kill -HUP 1 |
| 05:22:40 | Disconnect | what it -should- do is start the X server and ion and such |
| 05:23:04 | flypiper | nothing |
| 05:23:12 | Disconnect | ok 'reboot' .. |
| 05:23:19 | flypiper | OK |
| 05:24:23 | Disconnect | whats the word? |
| 05:24:35 | Disconnect | suspects something bad may happen. but dunno. |
| 05:24:45 | flypiper | ion is up without menu....XSERVTransSocketINET..just keeps adding pid's |
| 05:25:03 | Disconnect | ok kill the xserver and ion |
| 05:25:08 | Disconnect | that should solve part of it |
| 05:25:35 | | Disconnect: huh? |
| 05:25:35 | Disconnect | ibot: gtk-menu |
| 05:25:37 | Disconnect | damn |
| 05:25:42 | flypiper | just keeps scrolling the screen |
| 05:26:02 | Disconnect | kill `pidof Xipaq` |
| 05:26:12 | Disconnect | cut&paste it ;) |
| 05:26:59 | Disconnect | or (if that doesn't fix it) mv /etc/init.d/rcS /etc/init.d/oldrcS then reboot.. |
| 05:27:08 | Disconnect | (with the reboot command) |
| 05:28:25 | flypiper | OK got it to a bb shell |
| 05:29:03 | Disconnect | booted to a shell or used the rescue button? |
| 05:29:19 | flypiper | used rescue...it went wild |
| 05:29:24 | Disconnect | ok |
| 05:29:27 | Disconnect | cd /etc/init.d |
| 05:29:38 | flypiper | . |
| 05:29:41 | Disconnect | vi rcS .. comment out everything except cardmgr |
| 05:30:13 | Disconnect | (and this may not work)... save it, then 'cd / ; exec ./linuxrc' .. |
| 05:31:43 | flypiper | OK have ion...but no serial |
| 05:32:09 | Disconnect | no serial? |
| 05:32:16 | Disconnect | hit enter maybe..? |
| 05:32:23 | flypiper | have |
| 05:32:38 | Disconnect | urgh. |
| 05:32:50 | Disconnect | /etc/inittab still has ::askfirst:-/bin/sh right? |
| 05:32:57 | flypiper | Starting pid 70, console /dev/consol: /etc/init.d/rcW |
| 05:33:12 | flypiper | I just added those 3 lines |
| 05:33:29 | Disconnect | ok |
| 05:33:32 | Disconnect | try rebooting.. |
| 05:34:02 | Disconnect | tries to find his smokes |
| 05:34:16 | flypiper | that did it |
| 05:34:26 | flypiper | have serial...and ion without menu |
| 05:34:26 | Disconnect | ion, X server, xstroke? |
| 05:34:31 | Disconnect | yah no menu. thats ok. |
| 05:34:37 | Disconnect | well not really, but thats expected at least. |
| 05:35:07 | flypiper | less xstroke |
| 05:35:17 | Disconnect | no xstroke either? damnit. |
| 05:35:24 | Disconnect | edit /etc/inittab again.. add ::respawn:DISPLAY=:0.0 /usr/X11R6/bin/gtk-menu |
| 05:35:36 | Disconnect | maybe it'll work, maybe not. prolly not but its worth a shot |
| 05:35:47 | flypiper | OK |
| 05:37:56 | flypiper | reboot? |
| 05:38:19 | Disconnect | yah |
| 05:40:06 | flypiper | now have scrolling: DISPLAY=:0.0 /usr/X11R6/bin/gtk-menu pid 134.135 ect..exited |
| 05:40:20 | Disconnect | agggggggg. ok. reboot safety ;) |
| 05:40:50 | Disconnect | flypiper: got a solution :) |
| 05:41:00 | flypiper | cool |
| 05:41:06 | flypiper | bb rescue shell |
| 05:41:10 | Disconnect | flypiper: once its rebooted, vi /usr/X11R6/bin/gtk-menu-run |
| 05:41:14 | Disconnect | (should be new file) |
| 05:41:46 | flypiper | Ok |
| 05:42:04 | Disconnect | #!/bin/sh |
| 05:42:04 | Disconnect | DISPLAY=:0.0 |
| 05:42:05 | Disconnect | export DISPLAY |
| 05:42:05 | Disconnect | /usr/X11R6/bin/gtk-menu |
| 05:42:45 | Disconnect | then save it, chmod +x it, and change the inittab (drop the DISPLAY= and change it to gtk-menu-run) |
| 05:42:46 | Disconnect | then reboot |
| 05:46:07 | | cworth was last seen on #handhelds.org 1 days, 9 hours, 50 minutes and 58 seconds ago, saying: mlo, drrakn-code: that is, of mine: 3630,3650,3670: Q, 3760: Envelope. (all in the US). [Thu Dec 6 19:55:09 2001] |
| 05:46:07 | Disconnect | ibot: seen cworth |
| 05:46:30 | Disconnect | brb |
| 05:50:39 | flypiper | scrolling again..back in the rescue shell |
| 05:52:36 | flypiper | I rrrreeeaaaalllyyy like this rescue shell |
| 05:53:09 | flypiper | gone for a couple of min |
| 05:57:31 | flypiper | back |
| 06:04:51 | Disconnect | back too |
| 06:05:00 | Disconnect | did you make that file and change /etc/inittab? |
| 06:05:12 | flypiper | yes, sir |
| 06:05:17 | Disconnect | did it work? |
| 06:05:35 | flypiper | no menu...and forking |
| 06:05:43 | Disconnect | agg. ok. |
| 06:05:48 | Disconnect | you chmod +x'd it right? |
| 06:05:53 | flypiper | yep |
| 06:06:05 | flypiper | let me make sure |
| 06:06:07 | Disconnect | take out the export DISPLAY and join it so its DISPLAY=:0.0 /usr/X11R6/bin/gtk-menu (one line) |
| 06:07:41 | flypiper | does this run OK on your ipaq? |
| 06:07:45 | Disconnect | Now Playing: Apoptygma Bezerk - Non-Stop Violence.mp3 |
| 06:08:38 | Disconnect | haven't gotten there yet - its easier for you to test and let me know than to build flash, scp to server, reflash, install (which takes forever - fast connection, but the win2k gateway tends to give me the first piece of a file and then stall, so I need to restart a buttload of times) test, reflash, boot intimate, restart editing sessions, etc. |
| 06:08:56 | Disconnect | should really be doing the image generation on the desktop. but doing it on the ipaq lets me move it seamlessly from here to work, etc. |
| 06:11:38 | flypiper | now I have gtk-menu-run forking |
| 06:11:47 | Disconnect | grr |
| 06:11:53 | Disconnect | wishes he knew WHY.. |
| 06:12:26 | flypiper | dunno...want me to reflash it? |
| 06:12:48 | Disconnect | not yet.. lemme think a sec. there has got to be some logical reason why gtk-menu hates me. |
| 06:13:38 | Disconnect | try this.. reboot to the safety-shell, comment out that inittab line, then reboot again.. should get ion/xstroke, no menu. |
| 06:14:26 | flypiper | looks like DISPLAY=:0.0 /usr/X11R6/bin/gtk-menu-run is the fork |
| 06:14:38 | Disconnect | urm. see above.. take out the display bit. |
| 06:14:47 | Disconnect | thinks he said that, but either way.. take out the display bit ;) |
| 06:14:56 | flypiper | k |
| 06:18:39 | flypiper | I commented out the Display line..and still get fork |
| 06:19:03 | flypiper | how can I delete the line in vi...keep getting ^H for backspace |
| 06:19:32 | Disconnect | wrong file. |
| 06:20:08 | Disconnect | that inittab line should read ::respawn:/usr/X11R6/bin/gtk-menu-run |
| 06:20:18 | flypiper | k |
| 06:20:32 | Disconnect | /usr/X11R6/bin/gtk-menu-run should have DISPLAY=:0.0 ; export DISPLAY ; /usr/X11R6/bin/gtk-menu |
| 06:20:39 | Disconnect | brb |
| 06:23:27 | Disconnect | back |
| 06:25:26 | Disconnect | ..'ello? |
| 06:25:48 | flypiper | aggg cannot opProcess /usr/X11R6/bin/gtk-menu...forking |
| 06:26:05 | Disconnect | ok lets back up. |
| 06:26:13 | Disconnect | /etc/inittab should have gtk-menu-run .. |
| 06:26:29 | Disconnect | gtk-menu-run should have DISPLAY stuff and gtk-menu |
| 06:27:46 | flypiper | k inittab= ::respawn:/usr/X11R6/bin/gtk-menu |
| 06:27:57 | Disconnect | nonononono |
| 06:28:07 | Disconnect | ::respawn:/usr/X11R6/bin/gtk-menu-run |
| 06:28:14 | flypiper | changing |
| 06:28:18 | Disconnect | ok |
| 06:28:32 | Disconnect | and paste the contents of /usr/X11R6/bin/gtk-menu-run for me |
| 06:28:49 | Disconnect | this should work.. once it does, I'll make new packages.. |
| 06:28:50 | flypiper | k |
| 06:29:06 | Disconnect | no new flash tho - can install them the easy way :) |
| 06:32:58 | flypiper | #!/bin/sh |
| 06:32:59 | flypiper | DISPLAY=:0.0 ; export DISPLAY ; /usr/X11R6/bin/gtk-menu |
| 06:33:16 | flypiper | that right or am I a moron? |
| 06:33:18 | Disconnect | thinks he's been going 100% too long today. seeing flourescent-style trails on moving objects. except the lighting in here is incandescent/halogen. |
| 06:33:23 | Disconnect | thats perfect :) |
| 06:33:54 | flypiper | knows he has been going too long today..he is hearing spiders piss on cotton balls |
| 06:34:03 | Disconnect | um. what an odd image. |
| 06:34:08 | Disconnect | thats just Not Right. |
| 06:34:24 | flypiper | let me boot it again..after the changes |
| 06:34:29 | Disconnect | yah |
| 06:35:11 | flypiper | aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh Your the man!!!!!!! |
| 06:35:19 | Disconnect | it worked!! :) :) |
| 06:35:27 | flypiper | yep |
| 06:35:30 | flypiper | yep |
| 06:35:35 | flypiper | xstroke...menu |
| 06:35:59 | Disconnect | COOL :) |
| 06:36:04 | Disconnect | we're most of the way to 1.0 :) |
| 06:36:18 | flypiper | the fonts look a lot nicer..why |
| 06:36:36 | Disconnect | dunno. could be that its picking up the theme this time. |
| 06:36:58 | Disconnect | ok now its my turn ;) |
| 06:37:11 | Disconnect | reflashing momentarily.. |
| 06:37:59 | Disconnect | lets see if it actually installs working now.. |
| 06:38:08 | Disconnect | if so there are just some software bugs to iron out and we've got 1.0 :) |
| 06:38:30 | flypiper | can I add xcalibrate? |
| 06:40:56 | flypiper | will smoke...while your flashing |
| 06:46:15 | Disconnect | ok installing now.. |
| 06:46:53 | flypiper | see it wasn't you it was me gtk-menu |
| 06:46:57 | flypiper | duh |
| 06:47:30 | Disconnect | flashed an old image (doh!) but not too old. should still be ok. |
| 06:48:16 | Disconnect | yah just had to update for kiss.hh.org and it works |
| 06:48:41 | flypiper | wait ..I commented it out of something..right? |
| 06:49:03 | Disconnect | its all good. we're tracking again. |
| 06:49:56 | Disconnect | ponders a small C appy to detect the network and automagically start the install |
| 06:50:19 | Disconnect | maybe even handle progress bar and such. but thats getting not so small ;) |
| 06:50:37 | flypiper | we need something to set up lo..right? |
| 06:50:41 | Disconnect | these memory fault/segvs are concerning me. but I think I know where it is. |
| 06:50:47 | Disconnect | lo is automatically set up by 2.4.x kernels |
| 06:51:13 | Disconnect | rebooting |
| 06:51:37 | flypiper | I got SEG/faults on some of mine and others didn't |
| 06:51:58 | Disconnect | yah package name and/or size seems to determine it. |
| 06:52:19 | Disconnect | agggggg didn't upload the new packages. (and/or forgot to integrate them) thats ok. |
| 06:53:14 | Disconnect | hrms. it seems fsckered. damn. |
| 06:53:19 | Disconnect | gonna crash, will argue w/ it in the AM.. |
| 06:53:25 | Disconnect | I think we're about there tho.. thanks :) :) |
| 06:53:32 | Disconnect | ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 06:53:34 | Disconnect | I know whats wrong. |
| 06:53:45 | flypiper | hey thans for the lesson... |
| 06:54:15 | flypiper | what do I need to install xcal |
| 06:54:33 | flypiper | dpkg -i xcalibrate..bla |
| 06:54:33 | Disconnect | in theory, just download the deb and install it. may have to use dpkg -F depends -i package.deb |
| 06:54:43 | Disconnect | oh xcalibrate is installed. |
| 06:54:45 | Disconnect | /usr/X11R6/bin/xcalibrate |
| 06:54:58 | flypiper | we commented it out...right |
| 06:56:42 | Disconnect | is rebooting |
| 06:56:47 | flypiper | from the menu I get xcalib: not found |
| 06:57:09 | Disconnect | wow thats FAST |
| 06:57:23 | flypiper | yea..It's definatly a winner |
| 06:57:53 | Disconnect | cool. :) |
| 06:58:03 | flypiper | work? |
| 06:58:09 | Disconnect | has gotta crash now.. non-moving objects are starting to get trails, which means I'm weaving ;) |
| 06:58:13 | Disconnect | yep :) |
| 06:58:58 | flypiper | cool...thanks again for the learning session |
| 06:59:01 | flypiper | nite |
| 09:30:40 | prh | morning BZFlag |
| 11:04:43 | BZFlag | prh: nite. |
| 17:02:47 | Disconnect | morning(ish) all. |
| 17:03:13 | Disconnect | still needs coffee. and a busybox developer ;) |
| 17:10:46 | raster | blim |
| 17:11:11 | Disconnect | kiss.handhelds.org/task-bootstrap.tgz |
| 17:11:32 | raster | soudns good mate |
| 17:46:53 | Disconnect | want to test? :) |
| 17:47:04 | flash | yea, sure :) |
| 17:47:07 | Disconnect | quick questions.. you have pcmcia ethernet, wireless, etc? or no? |
| 17:47:16 | Disconnect | needs to figure out which part of the install is gonna break for you ;) |
| 17:47:49 | flash | pcmcia 802.11b in single sleeve. |
| 17:48:06 | Disconnect | cool should Just Work then. dhcp and open WAP? (if not, no biggie) |
| 17:48:30 | flash | no, I'm running ad-hoc with static ip's to my TiBook... |
| 17:48:38 | Disconnect | grab kiss.handhelds.org/task-bootstrap.jffs2 (and task-bootstrap.jff2.md5sum to check it) and flash that.. then reset and boot w/ the card out (easier that way) .. |
| 17:48:51 | Disconnect | no biggie, you'll get to vi /etc/pcmcia/network ;) |
| 17:49:39 | Disconnect | task-bootstrap is exactly 2M (its acually smaller but it has to pad out to a 256k erase block) .. then the installer downloads 5M of debs and installs them.. then you reboot, and its kiss :) |
| 17:49:50 | Disconnect | (or, you reboot and it goes insane.) |
| 17:50:21 | Disconnect | but thats ok, there is a 'recovery' console - record button (top side, next to the "ipaq" logo) that boots a rescue shell. |
| 17:51:31 | flash | sounds very good. will take a while though, I'm on modem and in germany :/ |
| 17:51:48 | Disconnect | all the familiar packages have been converted to deb, although none of them have been tested yet. |
| 17:52:12 | Disconnect | so in theory you can install normal familiar packages. in practice, a bunch of stuff (like postinstall scripts and maybe packages themselves) will crater. |
| 17:53:00 | Disconnect | cool solved the suspend/resume thing.. and it even works :) |
| 17:54:44 | flash | ok, we'll see how far I get. I have a feeling that this strange problem of mine will still be around.. |
| 17:55:00 | flash | Does kiss use the same kernel as familiar? |
| 17:55:10 | Disconnect | yah, for now. gonna be 2.4.16 shortly. |
| 17:57:56 | Disconnect | hrms. need standard fonts it seems. doh. |
| 17:59:05 | flash | ok, don't know if that will really help my problem anyway.. have a feeling that it's somehow hardware-related. |
| 18:05:08 | flash | now flashing task-bootstrap :) |
| 18:05:28 | Disconnect | cool |
| 18:12:58 | flash | yes! it worked!!! ;) |
| 18:13:05 | flash | so far at least :) |
| 18:14:16 | Disconnect | cool |
| 18:14:18 | flash | a lot nicer with tux looking at me in right rotation now :) |
| 18:14:36 | Disconnect | vi /etc/pcmcia/network .. then put the card in.. (and the rotation is just a framebuffer cap, the fb is still twisted) |
| 18:14:42 | Disconnect | then try 'install-kiss' |
| 18:24:39 | flash | having some problems with the network-setup.. trying to figure out what it is. |
| 18:26:28 | Disconnect | how so? |
| 18:28:16 | flash | has no network-access on his console, so no cutnpaste.. |
| 18:28:25 | flash | executing ./network start eth0 |
| 18:28:47 | flash | ... + SIOCSIFADDR: No such device |
| 18:29:00 | Disconnect | it wouldn't cut&paste anyway. just vi /etc/pcmcia/network .. put your config in as "ifconfig eth0 1.2.3.4 netmask 255.255.whatever up ; route add default gw gateway" |
| 18:29:12 | Disconnect | heya flypiper |
| 18:29:21 | flypiper | howdy Disconnect |
| 18:29:31 | flash | I mean for the output from the console :) |
| 18:29:40 | Disconnect | ahh no prob |
| 18:29:43 | Disconnect | do an ifconfig, see if it lit |
| 18:30:23 | flypiper | new image for me? |
| 18:30:44 | flash | interface is up, the led is on and it's possible to set address manually.. |
| 18:30:53 | Disconnect | flypiper: in a few, was just updating it now. :) |
| 18:31:02 | flypiper | cool |
| 18:31:09 | Disconnect | flash: ok then tis all good for now. the install docs (when we have a working install process) will cover how to set it up |
| 18:32:08 | Disconnect | flash: ahh it was a bug - should be ifconfig $2 in that script (fixing now ;) ..) |
| 18:33:09 | Disconnect | btw flash, dns is still not working but kiss.handhelds.org (the only host the installer looks for) is in /etc/hosts so should be ok |
| 18:36:12 | Disconnect | ponders .. a 1.5M bootstrap would RULE.. |
| 18:38:22 | Disconnect | flypiper: not sure we want to steal -all- of the intimate icons.. just the general layout.. (the page list can be altered to fit the content OC .. but I think we should maybe use kissed-tux up there instead of the intimate ipaq-window-montage..?) |
| 18:38:31 | Disconnect | will brb |
| 18:39:39 | flash | I got some problems when unloading and loading the card, device "number" increased, eth0, eth1, eth2 etc.. |
| 18:41:05 | flypiper | yes,sir I got an hr on it..just didn't have time to finish it...will change when I have time |
| 18:46:48 | Disconnect | flypiper: new image up btw. don't do the installer yet, got a couple of new packages. but this one should suspend and resume :) |
| 18:47:24 | flypiper | OK..getting it.....be away for few |
| 18:59:35 | flypiper | is back |
| 18:59:52 | Disconnect | ok uploading the last of the install packages now. |
| 19:00:08 | Disconnect | flash the bootstrap and lemme know if it suspends.. |
| 19:00:38 | flypiper | k..about done downloading |
| 19:01:46 | Disconnect | kewl |
| 19:02:04 | Disconnect | about done uploading new packges on this end, so we're about even ;) |
| 19:02:27 | flypiper | cool..config for flash |
| 19:03:01 | Disconnect | ..? |
| 19:04:49 | flypiper | flash is on it |
| 19:14:35 | flypiper | boot> |
| 19:14:57 | flypiper | suspend works... |
| 19:19:28 | flypiper | nic up..configed...everything seems OK |
| 19:20:25 | flypiper | dropped eth0 after resume |
| 19:23:05 | flypiper | want me to install? |
| 19:27:47 | Disconnect | is back (had some connectivity issues) |
| 19:27:51 | Disconnect | don't install yet |
| 19:28:09 | flypiper | k |
| 19:34:48 | Disconnect | ok install :) |
| 19:35:52 | flypiper | k |
| 19:38:57 | flypiper | installing....started kinda slow |
| 19:39:13 | Disconnect | odd |
| 19:42:48 | flypiper | is away.. |
| 19:43:29 | Disconnect | how's it doing? |
| 19:45:17 | flash | Disconnect: my install is ongoing, but with the "old" image.. |
| 19:45:52 | Disconnect | flash: should be ok. |
| 19:46:05 | Disconnect | flash: packages will catch some of the changes. |
| 19:46:49 | Disconnect | flash: just wget http://kiss.handhelds.org/install/libgtk_1.0-3_arm.deb and pcmcia-cs_1.0-2_arm.deb and dpkg -i those files after the install finishes |
| 19:48:06 | flash | oki, will do that. |
| 20:05:40 | flypiper | back...fonts |
| 20:06:39 | Disconnect | cool |
| 20:16:43 | Disconnect | how goes the installs? |
| 20:17:35 | flypiper | anything after xstroke? |
| 20:17:53 | flypiper | postinstall instructions? |
| 20:19:14 | Disconnect | flypiper: nope.. just type 'reboot' |
| 20:19:20 | flypiper | k |
| 20:19:22 | Disconnect | Tangent: kiss.handhelds.org/install/ .. all that stuff. |
| 20:21:22 | flypiper | agggg...lemmme see |
| 20:22:05 | flypiper | no ion,,,ect |
| 20:22:11 | Disconnect | urgh. |
| 20:22:16 | Disconnect | stop making me cry. ;) |
| 20:22:47 | flypiper | couldn't int font path .../usr/X11R6/lib/X11..you know the rest |
| 20:23:12 | flypiper | x connection to :0.0 broken( server shutdown) |
| 20:25:51 | flash | yes, same thing with ion for me.. |
| 20:26:18 | Disconnect | urgh. should be a /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi but no 100dpi |
| 20:26:27 | Disconnect | and that shouldn't kill ion. |
| 20:26:50 | Disconnect | wget http://kiss.handhelds.org/install/msfonts_1.0-1_arm.deb ; dpkg -i msfonts_1.0-1_arm.deb |
| 20:30:40 | Disconnect | did that help?> |
| 20:31:32 | flypiper | Removing...setting up...rebooting |
| 20:32:35 | flypiper | agggg after cat: /etc/excalibrate.conf..no file... |
| 20:33:19 | flypiper | could not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/, removing from list |
| 20:33:25 | flypiper | then |
| 20:33:28 | flash | the thing with no unloading of interfaces seam to be solved now as well... |
| 20:34:05 | Disconnect | flypiper: urm. hang a sec, think I may have busted something and/or forgotten to upload a new base-files |
| 20:34:19 | flypiper | could not intit /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/ removing from list |
| 20:34:21 | flypiper | then |
| 20:34:36 | flypiper | x connection to :0.0 broken...again |
| 20:35:14 | Disconnect | seems to have made the changes, but not uploaded them. |
| 20:35:30 | flypiper | easy fix |
| 20:35:52 | Disconnect | so gimme a sec to upload the new base-files.. then wget http://kiss.handhelds.org/install/base-files_1.0-7_arm.deb and dpkg -i it |
| 20:36:07 | flypiper | k |
| 20:37:22 | Disconnect | ok its uploaded |
| 20:37:26 | flypiper | k |
| 20:40:03 | flash | ion etc works fine now :) |
| 20:40:37 | flypiper | ahhh |
| 20:41:27 | flypiper | Disconnect: good work!! |
| 20:42:27 | flypiper | xstroke..still inop |
| 20:42:31 | flash | I agree, it looks really good! |
| 20:42:46 | Disconnect | xstroke doesn't work? sure its not a calibration issue? |
| 20:43:11 | flypiper | I ran xcalibrate first... |
| 20:43:25 | Disconnect | hrms. xstroke works fine for me.. urgh. |
| 20:43:28 | Disconnect | flash: xstroke work over there? |
| 20:43:37 | Disconnect | flypiper: wait.. you clicked it, so it says 'abc' right? |
| 20:44:00 | flash | yes, it does. but maybe I also ran xcalibrate first.. |
| 20:44:18 | flypiper | I clicked it after It wasn't there for after ion opened |
| 20:45:18 | flypiper | Disconnect.....hey I have to click to the left of menu...then abc lights up and it works....it's been hiding from me |
| 20:46:00 | flypiper | if I touch abc...it turns blue...same color as ion menu bar....and I can't see it |
| 20:46:06 | Disconnect | flypiper: erm. yah. thats xstroke. ;) |
| 20:47:02 | flypiper | looks like a keeper then |
| 20:47:11 | Disconnect | kewl. |
| 20:47:47 | flypiper | want me to reflash and install again..to see if it is correct? |
| 20:47:54 | Disconnect | yah that would be cool.. |
| 20:48:01 | flypiper | k |
| 20:48:05 | Disconnect | is splitting busybox into busybox-tiny (bootstrap) and busybox-complete (running system) |
| 20:49:39 | flypiper | just slipped in mdrive and is booting intimate...from this config |
| 20:50:14 | flypiper | MAN THIS THING BOOTS LIKE "GREASED LIGHTNING" |
| 20:50:36 | flypiper | aaahhhhh....intimate |
| 20:51:29 | Disconnect | cool :) |
| 20:51:50 | flash | seams like x calibration is not loaded on boot? |
| 20:53:47 | Disconnect | flash: did you save it? |
| 20:54:06 | flash | yes |
| 20:55:50 | Disconnect | hrm. it doesn't move from kiss to intimate. |
| 20:59:03 | Disconnect | diff't file systems. |
| 21:00:50 | Disconnect | so you calibrate in both (or copy the /etc/xcalibrate.conf from one to the other) |
| 21:02:50 | flash | I'm not using intimate... |
| 21:03:08 | Disconnect | doh was all backwards, sorry. |
| 21:03:11 | Disconnect | is doing 8 things at once ;) |
| 21:03:25 | flash | hehe, thats ok :) |
| 21:03:25 | Disconnect | ok. check for /etc/xcalibrate.conf .. should be there. |
| 21:06:03 | Disconnect | is that file there? |
| 21:06:16 | flash | yes, it's there. |
| 21:06:41 | Disconnect | hrm. ok. for now, just do xcalibrate -cal `cat /etc/xcalibrate.conf` |
| 21:08:43 | flypiper | Disconnect: started kiss-install...and timer(dial-up) |
| 21:08:55 | Disconnect | cool |
| 21:10:00 | flypiper | gotta ssh_arm.deb? |
| 21:10:12 | Disconnect | got the deb, prolly missing the libs. |
| 21:10:27 | flypiper | k |
| 21:11:04 | flypiper | when have 3850 running linux..gonna make a build machine out of 3670..so we can use it |
| 21:11:25 | Disconnect | cool deal |
| 21:19:10 | flypiper | any idea of what a dropped connection in the middle of install will do? |
| 21:20:06 | Disconnect | not too bad - just ^C it, then edit /tmp/LIST (remove the ones that succeeded) and run 'do-download' |
| 21:20:39 | flypiper | cool |
| 21:23:08 | Disconnect | thinks he just got busybox cvs .. er almost building properly. doh. |
| 21:23:30 | Disconnect | anyway. gotta do the lunch thing. really hungry. bbiab. |
| 22:02:00 | Disconnect | flypiper: here's what I've got as a list of bugs..lemme know if I'm missing anything. |
| 22:02:09 | Disconnect | dpkg -i memory faults and/or segvs |
| 22:02:23 | Disconnect | pcmcia-cs needs the full /etc/pmccia/config and there needs to be module packages |
| 22:02:37 | Disconnect | pm_helper needs to be a package, not an orphan/task-bootstrap 'remnant' |
| 22:02:52 | Disconnect | xrandr needs to default to portrait, and xmodmap stuff needs to happen on rotation |
| 22:03:08 | Disconnect | x calibration needs to be handled automatically (restore it.. set it first boot?) |
| 22:03:15 | Disconnect | busybox split into busybox-tiny and busybox-complete |
| 22:03:17 | Disconnect | fix DNS |
| 22:03:20 | Disconnect | missing anything? |
| 22:07:04 | flypiper | looks like everything |
| 22:08:23 | Disconnect | cool |
| 22:08:34 | Disconnect | and on a nontechnical note: |
| 22:08:40 | Disconnect | Project needs plan an written-up roadmap |
| 22:08:51 | flypiper | for sure |
| 22:08:53 | Disconnect | Need bugtracker, webpage, cvs tree, etc. |
| 22:09:08 | Disconnect | Need install docs (and main docs) |
| 22:09:14 | Disconnect | need package repository and format for package list files |
| 22:10:03 | | well, xstroke is http://www.east.isi.edu/projects/DSN/xstroke/ |
| 22:10:03 | flypiper | ibot: xstroke |
| 22:10:17 | | Disconnect: what? |
| 22:10:17 | Disconnect | ibot: pizza |
| 22:10:25 | | OK, Disconnect. |
| 22:10:25 | Disconnect | ibot: pizza is at http://www.papajohns.com/ |
| 22:13:09 | flypiper | aaahhhh that's what I needed |
| 22:14:31 | Disconnect | what, pizza? |
| 22:14:52 | Disconnect | wonders why a 2.5 topping pizza is $15 but I can just take 'the works' and substitute stuff for $13?? |
| 22:15:55 | Disconnect | ah cuz I didn't read the specials. ;) |
| 22:16:57 | flypiper | is thinking of ordering the monster from Big-Kahuna's....if you can eat all of it(4ppl) it's free |
| 22:17:32 | flypiper | have 5 girls+kids to feed tonight! |
| 22:18:12 | Disconnect | heh |
| 22:18:32 | flash | all this talk about food makes me hungry here :) |
| 22:19:38 | Disconnect | still hasn't eaten, got busy with house-stuff. ordering the pizza now (online ordering rules) |
| 22:20:11 | Disconnect | was way cool last time I went on a business trip - just added the hotel to my profile and they delivered to my room :) |
| 22:20:52 | Disconnect | ok bbiab |
| 22:33:45 | flash | ok, will have to remember that if I end up in the us someday :) |
| 22:40:09 | Disconnect | heh |
| 22:40:20 | Disconnect | flypiper: so is it actually working for real? |
| 22:43:34 | flypiper | yes, sir...it is...and xstroke rocks! |
| 22:43:48 | sgodsell | Hello guys |
| 22:44:03 | flypiper | sgodsell:sup? |
| 22:44:26 | Disconnect | heya sgodsell |
| 22:44:37 | Disconnect | is basically at an "official" pre1.0 right now. lots of bugs, but it works. |
| 22:44:45 | sgodsell | Well I just finished with the rtc update, so noone will lose the rtc settings from a hardware reset ;) |
| 22:45:06 | flypiper | sgodsell: cool |
| 22:45:49 | Disconnect | yay :) |
| 22:45:54 | Disconnect | whats the word on 2.4.16? |
| 22:46:04 | sgodsell | Too some it doesn't matter, but to me I hated that fact if I am on the road and I reset my iPAQ. I don't want to set the dam time |
| 22:46:05 | Disconnect | is thinking of using it for launch, but its gotta solidify pretty soon |
| 22:46:32 | sgodsell | 2.4.16 works well |
| 22:46:47 | sgodsell | The battery life is good ;) |
| 22:47:02 | Disconnect | has heard lots of people having pcmcia issues - is that PEBKAC? |
| 22:47:30 | sgodsell | Well I have no issues, but I only tried it with a dual sleeve |
| 22:47:51 | Disconnect | IIRC it was missing or changed h3600_generic_sleeve etc |
| 22:48:06 | Disconnect | is gonna try a build now, just for S&G |
| 22:48:26 | sgodsell | Disconnect: 2.4.16 works well for me ;) |
| 22:48:27 | | hmmm... kernel is in /dev/mtdblock2 or /boot (fam 0.5). To build one, see http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/Building%20a%20new%20kernel |
| 22:48:27 | Disconnect | ibot: kernel |
| 22:48:45 | Disconnect | sgodsell: do you remember where jamey put the kernel-ipk source tgzs? |
| 22:48:51 | sgodsell | I was going to submit my kernel and bootldr patches to jamey |
| 22:49:04 | Disconnect | oh look, mtv2 has gone insane. ;) |
| 22:49:10 | Disconnect | sgodsell: got an archive up? |
| 22:49:12 | sgodsell | 2.4.16 is the head |
| 22:50:11 | | cvs is, like, Concurrent Versions System |
| 22:50:11 | Disconnect | ibot: cvs |
| 22:50:17 | | Disconnect: i'm not following you... |
| 22:50:17 | Disconnect | ibot: thats less than useful |
| 22:50:53 | sgodsell | cvs -d:pserver:anoncvs@cvs.handhelds.org:/cvs co linux/kernel |
| 22:51:10 | sgodsell | if you want to check out 2.5 kernel |
| 22:51:14 | sgodsell | cvs -d:pserver:anoncvs@cvs.handhelds.org:/cvs co linux/kernel25 |
| 22:51:29 | sgodsell | cvs -d:pserver:anoncvs@cvs.handhelds.org:/cvs co -r K2-5-0-rmk3 linux/kernel25 |
| 22:51:38 | Disconnect | will stick to 2.4.16 ;) |
| 22:52:42 | sgodsell | Well I have had a few problems with 2.5.0. um like it doesn't compile. So 2.4.16 is a good one to stick to for now ;) |
| 22:52:49 | Disconnect | btw just as a side note, doing a cvs update ; tar cfvz nightly.tgz would speed up people who grab kernels 'every now and then' and/or people grabbing it the first time -- untar the kernel, then run 'cvs update' |
| 22:52:49 | Disconnect | he |
| 22:52:50 | Disconnect | h |
| 22:53:44 | sgodsell | I tried to talk to france about getting rid of all the other crap in the kernel that people will never use on an iPAQ |
| 22:53:57 | sgodsell | but that was shot down :( |
| 22:54:27 | Disconnect | [OT] just saw that "Homeland Defense" (the 'secret police' we've got now) has at its disposal almost 10k picked army and army reserve troops at its disposal. |
| 22:54:55 | Disconnect | sgodsell: I've tried the same thing. would be pleased not to see, say, 3800 arch/s390/ checkin messages when they update 'release' versions. |
| 22:55:27 | flypiper | is going to pick up pizza..be back later |
| 22:55:31 | Disconnect | cya fl |
| 22:55:33 | Disconnect | cya flypiper |
| 22:55:49 | flypiper | later ppl |
| 22:55:52 | sgodsell | take care Disconnect, flypiper |
| 22:55:58 | sgodsell | I am going too |
| 22:56:14 | Disconnect | cya sgodsell |
| 22:56:17 | Disconnect | sgodsell: before you go |
| 22:56:22 | Disconnect | post your kernel patches somewhere |
| 22:56:30 | sgodsell | is away: Family time ;) |
| 22:56:40 | sgodsell | I can email you |
| 22:56:54 | sgodsell | Disconnect: you also need the bootldr as well |
| 22:57:12 | sgodsell | Without the bootldr patch the rtc won't work |
| 22:57:22 | Disconnect | ok sounds good disconnect@handhelds |
| 22:57:29 | sgodsell | I am using 2.4.24 bootldr |
| 22:57:37 | sgodsell | I am using 2.16.24 bootldr |
| 22:57:57 | Disconnect | will it fail violently w/o new bootldr, or just not work? |
| 22:58:08 | sgodsell | Just won't work |
| 22:58:16 | Disconnect | ok cool ;) |
| 22:58:36 | Disconnect | ok now you go do familiy stuff, I gotta to down so I can hear the pizza guy |
| 22:58:54 | sgodsell | Take care ;) |
| 23:46:50 | DragonEagle | feels like trolling since the channels dead, if anybody has any objections...then for the sake of the gods, say something |
| 23:52:08 | Disconnect | whee. flypiper, you back for real? |
| 23:52:11 | Disconnect | grrs at cvs. |
| 23:52:53 | Disconnect | sgodsell: just an FYI, since we were talking about 1.5 hours ago, cvs downloaded 0 files (it froze) .. which is another great reason for nightly tarballs ;) |
| 23:54:58 | Disconnect | DragonEagle: btw hows the dependency conversion thing going? |
| 23:55:13 | DragonEagle | Disconnect: ipaq's down. |
| 23:55:27 | DragonEagle | in fact, I just had to relfash it from scratch |
| 23:55:34 | Disconnect | DragonEagle: thats what task-bootstrap is for ;) |
| 23:55:51 | DragonEagle | yeah, my data went with it |
| 23:56:17 | Disconnect | sighs. Why am I spending all this time checking out arch/ppc arch/parisc etc..? I don't think I'll ever have the need to xcompile a CRL kernel from the ipaq to PPC.. or s390... |
| 23:56:21 | Disconnect | that sucks :( |
| 23:56:24 | Disconnect | what happened? |
| 23:57:04 | DragonEagle | I exhausted available flash installing Jamey's python.....it's not modularized |
| 23:57:33 | Disconnect | ahh uck. |
| 23:57:43 | Disconnect | just an aside, you can usually init=/bin/sh and sz stuff.. |
| 23:58:21 | DragonEagle | I'm gonna try working with him and see if together we can modularize it, I depend on python to keep my system working day to day |
| 23:58:44 | DragonEagle | Disconnect: my pm was re that battery issue |
| 23:58:51 | DragonEagle | and I was just playing |
| 23:59:02 | Disconnect | np |
| 23:59:22 | Disconnect | doesn't offend all that easily ;) |
| 23:59:29 | DragonEagle | lol |