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02:07.28 | orange | TheRedBaron: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/views/aix/libraryview.jsp?search_by=speaking+UNIX+Part&ca=dgr-lnxw06speakingunix13&S_TACT=105AGX59&S_CMP=GR |
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04:17.53 | TheRedBaron | ~orange++ |
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10:49.42 | kierra | ~wake menotume |
10:49.43 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on menotume and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
10:49.48 | kierra | morning ep :) |
10:52.55 | ep | hi :) |
10:53.20 | ep | early here |
11:02.18 | kierra | yes you are |
11:02.24 | kierra | amazing :) |
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11:43.26 | ndim | Moo. |
13:04.01 | kierra | moooo |
13:10.58 | ndim | Sounds like someone's having a lot of fun outside smashing things. |
13:14.10 | TheRedBaron | ndim: go join them! |
13:15.45 | orange | TheRedBaron: you liked my link? |
13:18.26 | TheRedBaron | orange: very much |
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13:52.20 | orange | kierra: how do you feel about Joe Torre possibly being fired? |
13:58.06 | TheRedBaron | orange: oh please no! Its taken us days to get her calmed down! |
13:58.29 | orange | TheRedBaron: oh, sorry! |
14:03.05 | kierra | :( |
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14:03.35 | kierra | steinbrenner hopefully is blowing off steam.....with no action |
14:03.43 | kierra | i like Torre |
14:04.01 | kierra | yanks haven't produced in the clinch |
14:04.18 | kierra | Arod does great with weaker teams, early in season |
14:04.35 | kierra | but .....when we really need his homers...... |
14:04.45 | kierra | now.....my man jeter!!!!!!! |
14:04.56 | kierra | i just sigh |
14:05.16 | orange | Atlanta has a similar problem... lots of post-season appearances, not a lot of post-season success |
14:08.47 | gn00bie | yankees suck |
14:12.45 | kierra | you either love or hate them |
14:15.23 | gn00bie | go red sox |
14:15.26 | gn00bie | :D |
14:15.45 | gn00bie | ok, did Sox make it to the post season, I have watched exactly 0 games in last 2 years |
14:17.02 | orange | lol |
14:17.24 | gn00bie | orange, ltns |
14:17.49 | orange | longer than normal sentence? |
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14:18.18 | gn00bie | yes, exactly |
14:18.25 | gn00bie | asharma@epsilon ~ $ wtf ltns |
14:18.27 | orange | love to need stew |
14:18.29 | gn00bie | LTNS: long time no see |
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14:19.00 | orange | ahh, heh... how are you gn00bie? |
14:19.57 | gn00bie | I am round and fuzzy |
14:21.12 | TheRedBaron | gn00bie: a peach? |
14:21.18 | TheRedBaron | you're a peach? |
14:21.49 | orange | nope, he's tennis bally |
14:25.26 | Baroness | ~bonk gn00bie |
14:25.27 | ibot | ACTION bonks gn00bie over the head |
14:29.01 | gn00bie | TheRedBaron: exactly, a peach |
14:29.06 | gn00bie | ow |
14:29.15 | gn00bie | you don't bonk a peach |
14:29.28 | orange | ~peel gn00bie |
14:29.35 | gn00bie | oh no |
14:29.42 | gn00bie | peach = atlanta, right? |
14:29.58 | orange | in some twisted way, yes |
14:30.25 | Baroness | ~cook gn00bie |
14:30.26 | ibot | ACTION throws gn00bie in a big pan with veggies inside and cooks gn00bie on 350 for an hour |
14:30.33 | TheRedBaron | georgia peaches ! |
14:30.51 | gn00bie | Baroness and 40 lbs! :D |
14:31.05 | Baroness | grrrr |
14:31.06 | TheRedBaron | gn00bie: I hate to bring this up, but seeing as your a peach... and orange lives in GA, does that make you related? |
14:31.23 | gn00bie | TheRedBaron: by the looks of it, yes. I think we are brothers or something |
14:32.00 | gn00bie | alternatively, since orange is in GA, not in FL, orange is really a peach who pretends he is an orange, because I am a rounder and fuzzier peach |
14:32.14 | TheRedBaron | ah, fuzzy round envy? |
14:32.19 | gn00bie | yup |
14:32.35 | orange | peaches can be orange |
14:32.39 | gn00bie | I do have an Orange car though |
14:32.54 | orange | someone said your car was slow, gn00bie |
14:33.10 | orange | something about being beaten by a volkswagen bug |
14:33.31 | gn00bie | orange: 400 hp :D six speed manual |
14:33.36 | gn00bie | it is only slow in snow |
14:34.08 | orange | watch out for those volkswagens |
14:34.36 | orange | my wife can go round trip (12 miles) to work for a week on a gallon of gas :-) |
14:34.41 | TheRedBaron | but I can't quite place it |
14:35.25 | gn00bie | well, there are bugs out there putting 530 to the ground, so it is possible |
14:35.30 | orange | I'm not trying to start anything, I'm just saying what I might have thought I heard maybe |
14:35.48 | gn00bie | on that note folken, egg yolken, time to go |
14:35.51 | gn00bie | late for a meeting |
14:35.52 | gn00bie | ~shake |
14:35.53 | ibot | ACTION shakes his booty all over town |
14:36.06 | orange | enjoy :-) |
14:36.13 | orange | 530 in a bug? |
14:36.34 | orange | TheRedBaron: does ogg have that? |
14:37.00 | TheRedBaron | orange: divide by ten |
14:38.14 | orange | hehe |
14:38.18 | orange | I doubt that |
14:39.14 | TheRedBaron | 1.6L flat 4 |
14:44.48 | orange | but I'm sure it's more than 53hp |
14:56.29 | kierra | ~seen quantumdot |
14:56.33 | ibot | quantumdot <n=jmlopez@about/essy/Charm/quantumdot> was last seen on IRC in channel #kierra, 5d 7m 41s ago, saying: 'hehehe'. |
15:18.46 | ep | hehe |
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15:53.03 | anteater | ~lart TheRedBaron |
15:53.03 | ibot | nabs the moon and broadsides TheRedBaron with the sea of tranquility |
15:55.15 | TheRedBaron | ug lart and run |
15:56.59 | orange | yeah, that's just cold |
15:57.11 | orange | but hey, you should feel special :-) |
16:20.55 | TheRedBaron | awww |
16:31.35 | ndim | Yay. Half a hundredweight of quince, and a hundredweight of apples. |
16:48.00 | TheRedBaron | ndim: that could be alot of applesauce |
16:48.22 | TheRedBaron | orange: special in that he went out of the way to lart me? |
16:49.28 | orange | TheRedBaron: yes... he joined irc just for that |
16:54.06 | ndim | TheRedBaron: And quince jelly. |
17:41.13 | TheRedBaron | orange: interested in some microsoft satire? |
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19:38.17 | kierra | ep ping |
19:38.17 | TheRedBaron | ~poof Pimpi_ |
19:38.18 | ibot | ACTION turns around to see Pimpi_ dissappear into thin air, never to be seen again. |
19:39.18 | kierra | ep ! |
19:39.34 | TheRedBaron | ~poof ep |
19:39.35 | ibot | ACTION turns around to see ep dissappear into thin air, never to be seen again. |
19:39.42 | TheRedBaron | ~banish ep |
19:39.43 | ibot | ACTION erases ep into ineffable bit aether |
19:40.33 | kierra | ah, thats the problem |
19:40.48 | kierra | be a nice young man and take your adderall |
19:52.26 | orange | just drink 4 cups of coffee... it works better |
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20:02.55 | ndim | ~weather EDDS |
20:03.11 | ndim | 9C? Can't be. Feels more like 4C. |
20:03.36 | TheRedBaron | ~weather KTLH |
20:03.50 | ndim | Or march? |
20:03.55 | TheRedBaron | 30.6C |
20:04.03 | ndim | Ouch. |
20:20.50 | ep | 79.0 F here |
20:21.25 | ndim | minus 32 yields 47 |
20:21.43 | ndim | div by 9 yields 5.4 |
20:21.45 | ep | 47 would be nice |
20:21.57 | ndim | times 5 yields 29 C |
20:22.27 | ndim | Uhm. |
20:22.29 | ep | well we got that straightened out |
20:22.52 | ndim | 5.2 would be more like it. |
20:22.58 | ndim | And that gives 26C. |
20:23.08 | ndim | A number I can understand :) |
20:24.12 | ndim | (temp_in_F-32)*5/9=temp_in_C |
20:24.36 | ndim | (Yes, I know stuff like that by heart.) |
20:30.50 | Birdie | lol we saw that on school last week |
20:32.01 | ep | 3rd grade? |
20:32.50 | Birdie | we dont work in grades |
20:33.06 | Birdie | i follow college (i think thats the name in usa) |
20:33.13 | ep | yes |
20:33.17 | Birdie | +18 |
20:34.06 | Birdie | its stupid that americans always have differen things |
20:34.11 | ndim | Another thing... I can't remember that 1 knot = 1.852 kph. But I *can* remember that the earth's circumference around the equator is annoyingly exactly 40000km, and the nautical mile is defined as 1 / (360*60) of that (one angular minute). |
20:34.16 | Birdie | kilometer <-> mile |
20:34.16 | kierra | birdie goes to special class |
20:34.26 | Birdie | kelvin <-> celcius |
20:34.34 | kierra | Its only stupid to the rest of the world |
20:34.35 | Birdie | british are also difficult persons |
20:34.41 | ndim | Yeah, the statute miles are a little stupid. |
20:34.42 | Birdie | same for germans somethimes |
20:35.05 | ndim | 1in=2.54cm, and 12in=1ft, and 3ft=1yd |
20:35.18 | ndim | But I always forget how to get from ft or yd to mi. |
20:35.25 | Birdie | every one wants something unique, i'm more for one same thing for the rest of the world:) |
20:35.39 | kierra | herd mentality |
20:35.41 | kierra | :) |
20:35.42 | ep | I'm from the U.S. and I think it's stupid Birdie. The metric system is logical. |
20:36.03 | Birdie | if i was grown up like you i would think its logical to propably |
20:36.08 | ndim | At least it is based on decimals. |
20:36.18 | ndim | Even the brits don't have 240 pence in one pound any more. |
20:36.24 | Birdie | we also see few history about all that |
20:36.27 | orange | it has nothing to do with logic, it has to do with what you're used to |
20:36.33 | Birdie | you hear some guy in 1700 said it was ... |
20:36.41 | Birdie | than another one somewhere else in 1800 said it was ... |
20:36.48 | Birdie | etc |
20:37.10 | orange | sure, metric system makes more sense... and in engineering and places where it truly matters, we use it |
20:37.19 | ndim | orange: Consistent conversion factors of 10, 100, 1000 are more logical than 12, 3, 144, 9, etc. pp. depending on what you're talking about. |
20:37.24 | orange | of course |
20:37.27 | ep | What temperature does water freeze at in celcius? |
20:37.34 | Birdie | but its hard for technical stuff, all over the world different things, hard to serach stuff |
20:37.37 | ndim | ep: 0 |
20:37.38 | orange | but we're not keeping the english system because it's more logical... nobody is stupid enough to say that |
20:37.39 | Birdie | water freezes at 0 |
20:37.40 | ep | logical! |
20:37.58 | Birdie | water cooks at 100 |
20:38.02 | ndim | boils |
20:38.03 | ndim | :) |
20:38.07 | Birdie | and you aint gonna tell me that 273 is more logical:) |
20:38.21 | Birdie | year boils sry |
20:38.24 | Birdie | yea* |
20:38.26 | ndim | 273? |
20:38.40 | ndim | 212F. |
20:38.47 | ndim | 273K = 0C |
20:39.01 | orange | it's all what you're used to... change is difficult, that's all |
20:39.05 | Birdie | yea thats what i meaned sorry |
20:39.12 | ndim | Indeed. |
20:39.14 | Birdie | kelvin fahrenheit..see how disturbing |
20:39.27 | ndim | Darn those stupid romans. |
20:39.32 | orange | kelvin is more logical than celsius |
20:39.34 | orange | let's switch |
20:39.40 | ndim | With those pesky 12 hours per day (and 8 per night). |
20:39.43 | Birdie | kelvin more logical?? |
20:39.44 | orange | now, do you set your thermostat on 303? |
20:39.50 | orange | sure, it's based on absolute zero |
20:39.55 | orange | basing it on water is arbitrary |
20:39.59 | ndim | orange: No. 303 is too warm |
20:40.16 | orange | quick, it's 292 outside, do you wear a jacket today? |
20:40.22 | Birdie | how can it be more logical than celcius, its all based on water, it freezes at 0, when it goes minus its ice |
20:40.42 | orange | come on now, kelvin is a far more logical system than celsius... celsius *is* arbitrary |
20:41.04 | orange | let's switch... jacket or shorts at 292? |
20:41.22 | ndim | Urgh. |
20:41.48 | ndim | According to wikipedia, the Fahrenheit scale was derived from (among others) 96deg being human body temperature. |
20:42.18 | TheRedBaron | orange is right :) |
20:42.31 | TheRedBaron | celcius is as arbitrary as fahrenheit |
20:42.41 | Birdie | i totally disagree |
20:42.41 | TheRedBaron | fahrenheit uses the body as a scale |
20:42.47 | Birdie | but i might have lost your point |
20:42.48 | TheRedBaron | celcius uses water as a scale |
20:42.57 | ndim | Given the prevalence of water ("it's freezing outside", "the water for your tea is boiling"), referring to water does make sense. |
20:43.12 | Birdie | ~ndim++ |
20:43.13 | TheRedBaron | or the prevalence of humans? |
20:43.31 | TheRedBaron | its likeable because it deals with easy numbers |
20:43.33 | TheRedBaron | 0 and 100 |
20:43.36 | orange | so... hmmm, do most humans live at sea level? |
20:43.36 | Birdie | you SEE water freezing, i dont think you see your body freezing:) |
20:43.38 | ndim | TheRedBaron: homo non-sapiens |
20:43.46 | orange | because water doesn't boil at 100C everywhere |
20:43.59 | ndim | orange: Yupp. It depends on the weather. |
20:44.01 | TheRedBaron | orange: yup |
20:44.04 | Birdie | indeed |
20:44.06 | orange | I'm not saying celsius isn't better than farenheit... I personally think it is. |
20:44.09 | orange | But I don't think in celsius |
20:44.11 | Birdie | but 100C is what it should be |
20:44.27 | orange | and asking me to change how my weather reports come just because it's more logical is a fallacious argument |
20:44.42 | orange | just as me asking you to change to kelvins is equally ludicrous |
20:44.56 | Birdie | yea cause its all logical to me in C |
20:44.56 | TheRedBaron | orange: unless conveince is logical (yes I botched the spelling) |
20:44.59 | orange | although kelvins make more sense than degrees celsius, because they are based on a logical standard |
20:45.03 | Birdie | + it has easy numbers like one mentioned before |
20:45.19 | Birdie | much easyer to understand and count |
20:45.25 | orange | for you... you grew up with them |
20:45.27 | ep | Angelina Jolie ain't no 96 TRB |
20:45.34 | Birdie | and all low numbers, as for kelvin thats +200 |
20:45.37 | TheRedBaron | ~ep++ |
20:45.51 | Birdie | ep: maybe 69:D |
20:45.56 | orange | I have absolutely no problem knowing what's going on in degrees farenheit, because I grew up with it |
20:46.12 | orange | in engineering, farenheit isn't as good, but for weather reports, who cares? |
20:46.13 | TheRedBaron | imho, the bigger problem, is the complicated conversion |
20:46.40 | TheRedBaron | its all what you use, but having to do the complicated math just to relate to a temperature |
20:46.54 | ndim | That is a relatively recent problem. |
20:47.06 | orange | right, shrinking barriers |
20:47.13 | TheRedBaron | the conversion is a revent problem? |
20:47.22 | ndim | TheRedBaron: Becoming common with the advent of everyday international communication. |
20:47.28 | orange | and travel |
20:47.28 | TheRedBaron | it hasn't been around since the inception of either celcius or farenheit? |
20:47.38 | TheRedBaron | ah |
20:47.44 | orange | TheRedBaron: only in that most people just didn't care :-) |
20:47.47 | ndim | 50 years ago, not many people besides airline pilots and ship captains had to worry about that. |
20:47.49 | TheRedBaron | ~blame antlantic & pacific |
20:47.50 | ibot | ACTION blames antlantic & pacific (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
20:48.04 | ndim | Same as with time zones. |
20:48.12 | ndim | I'd love to abolish time zones. |
20:48.18 | TheRedBaron | eh? |
20:48.44 | orange | you'd have the same problem anyway |
20:48.49 | orange | excepting all the DST nonsense |
20:49.04 | ndim | The DST nonsense is so stupid. |
20:49.06 | Birdie | DST? |
20:49.17 | orange | "Excuse me sir, but at what gmtime do people generally go to work around here?" |
20:49.34 | ndim | Why can't they just say "office hours oct-mar, apr-sep"? |
20:49.38 | TheRedBaron | orange: am I the only one that laughs at the puniness of humans, with the recent change in congress, moving DST around |
20:49.52 | ndim | Many ventures depending on daylight already do stuff like that anyway. |
20:50.45 | orange | if you travelled you'd still have to find information similar to time zones |
20:51.00 | TheRedBaron | or, does anyone forsee a future, where time is measured in metrics? |
20:51.01 | orange | so you could synchronize with the sun in different areas... time zones in and of themselves make sense |
20:51.12 | orange | TheRedBaron: it is bizarre, the DST changes |
20:51.22 | orange | lol, yeah, let's move away from our stupid calendar and clock |
20:51.24 | orange | it's not logical |
20:51.47 | ndim | TheRedBaron: there is no "metric" time. The SI unit for time is the second. |
20:51.58 | TheRedBaron | ndim: its all relative :P |
20:52.01 | orange | http://zapatopi.net/metrictime/ |
20:52.06 | TheRedBaron | Do away with second |
20:52.16 | orange | ndim: decimalized seconds are proposed |
20:52.18 | TheRedBaron | Lets create something new. Call "percules" |
20:52.36 | TheRedBaron | based off of ZXY vibrations of some random material |
20:52.44 | TheRedBaron | and revamp the measuring of time :) |
20:52.56 | TheRedBaron | its all arbitrary |
20:53.08 | TheRedBaron | and depends on how you interpret the arbitrariness. |
20:53.44 | ndim | orange: the sun setting and rising at different times at different places is only an issue for travelers. |
20:54.04 | orange | ndim: so are time zones, really |
20:54.15 | ndim | However, making an appointment for a telephone or IRC conference happens much more often and always requires time zone calculations. |
20:54.24 | orange | just work in gm for those |
20:54.45 | ndim | So why not use GMT for everything everywhere? |
20:54.53 | orange | because locally it sucks |
20:56.00 | orange | woot... it's .872 21 UT |
20:56.17 | orange | who brought up decimal time... I want to shake your hand :-) |
20:56.30 | orange | it was TheRedBaron! :-) |
20:56.36 | orange | ~TheRedBaron++ |
20:57.57 | orange | that is the *IDEAL* example of why the USA hasn't switched to metric units for everything |
20:58.24 | TheRedBaron | because backwards-compatability is a pita? :) |
20:59.27 | orange | because everybody thinks in the crappy old 365-28/29/30/31-24-12-60-60 time |
20:59.32 | orange | which is ridiculous and completely illogical |
20:59.39 | ndim | A "pita" is a turkish kind of pizza btw. |
20:59.39 | orange | but it's what we're used to |
20:59.58 | TheRedBaron | ndim: correct. It also stands for - Pain In The Ass |
21:00.34 | ndim | TheRedBaron: I was aware of that spellout, but unaware of you being aware of the pizza. |
21:00.46 | Birdie | hmmmmmmm pita food is so good |
21:01.05 | Birdie | very popular for students |
21:01.05 | TheRedBaron | ok, just wasn't too sure how far spread the acronym was :) |
21:01.31 | ndim | Uhm... ok Greek actuall. The Turks call it pide. |
21:01.35 | Birdie | but they are in problems somethimes cause of the hygiene (good word?) :) |
21:02.08 | TheRedBaron | orange: like i said, backwards-compatability would be a pita. Imagine 30 years from now, the next generation tryign to understand all the references to the old calendar |
21:02.34 | orange | TheRedBaron: also true, but google to the rescue for all things conversion :-) |
21:02.36 | ndim | TheRedBaron: Have you recently looked up julian dates? |
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21:03.00 | TheRedBaron | ndim: when was the last time a julian date was used? |
21:03.21 | ndim | TheRedBaron: the last time an astronomer noted down the time of a sighting. |
21:03.26 | ndim | Probably around right NOW. |
21:03.47 | TheRedBaron | along with every other morning |
21:04.01 | orange | I use julian dates in all calculations for days |
21:04.15 | orange | because our calendar sucks... but input and output must convert to and from |
21:04.21 | ndim | horrorscope? "You will be drawn into a resultless discussion of units today." |
21:04.22 | orange | because humans don't think in julian |
21:05.39 | TheRedBaron | hrm |
21:06.00 | TheRedBaron | would tomorrow be a saturday by any chance in the julian calendar? |
21:06.05 | TheRedBaron | because that would be very handy right now |
21:06.22 | orange | I just hope the result of this discussion is that people will be more tolerant and understanding |
21:06.29 | TheRedBaron | nope |
21:06.39 | TheRedBaron | you must convert! |
21:06.44 | TheRedBaron | ~squeeze orange |
21:06.44 | ibot | ACTION squeezes the juice out of orange until there just ain't nothin left |
21:07.10 | orange | indeed, I must go... adios |
21:07.39 | TheRedBaron | aye, I've got to finish writing this document for work |
21:08.26 | orange | fruitful, hah! |
21:08.40 | TheRedBaron | ~ndim++ |
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21:54.16 | catay | turkish have kebab , which is way better then pita :p |
22:04.18 | mvironwork | catay! |
22:18.04 | catay | mvironwork: :) |
22:18.24 | catay | mvironwork: shouldn't you work instead of chatting ? ;P |
22:18.42 | mvironwork | catay: not when working OT |
22:18.56 | catay | whats OT mean ? |
22:19.23 | mvironwork | OT == Overtime |
22:19.38 | catay | aaah |
22:19.43 | catay | extra money! :) |
22:19.51 | mvironwork | nope |
22:19.53 | mvironwork | salaried |
22:20.22 | catay | aaah |
22:20.50 | catay | it's different at my place |
22:21.02 | catay | time worked = time paid |
22:21.22 | catay | hmmm, let me reprhase that :p |
22:21.29 | catay | the time you work, you also get paid for it |
22:21.37 | mvironwork | :) |
22:22.08 | catay | pretty good system, but very unique, don't know any other company in Belgian that is doing it that way |
22:22.17 | catay | *Belgium |
22:22.32 | catay | and there is no limit on it |
22:22.44 | catay | every hour I work extra I can save |
22:22.49 | ndim | België? |
22:23.04 | catay | and I can decide if I let pay it out or if I take it up in vacation |
22:23.11 | mvironwork | well, technically any OT I work, albeit unpaid, can come back as "flex time" |
22:23.33 | catay | I have atm more then 900 hours overtime :) |
22:23.43 | catay | all saved during the years I worked there |
22:24.02 | catay | hehe |
22:24.35 | catay | I have a 36hour week so thats not that much either |
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22:24.40 | mvironwork | in a typical work-week, I work about 45 - 50 hours |
22:24.46 | catay | yeah same here |
22:24.51 | catay | depends on my mood tho |
22:25.00 | catay | well, motivation better |
22:25.13 | catay | some projects can be real motivation killers eheh |
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22:25.21 | catay | well, mainly the people in it :P |
22:25.49 | catay | but , remember mvironwork !!! |
22:25.52 | mvironwork | around now, with all the projects going on, I suspect it'll be more like 50 - 60 or more |
22:25.57 | catay | all work and no play makes mvironwork a dull boy! :) |
22:26.03 | catay | so , don't work to much :) |
22:26.04 | mvironwork | lol catay |
22:26.43 | catay | but If I would win the lotery I sure know what to do |
22:26.50 | catay | quit working immediatley :) |
22:27.14 | ndim | Depends on the amount of money. |
22:27.15 | mvironwork | catay: could be worse |
22:27.32 | mvironwork | catay: in 2002, I was working about 75 - 80 hours a week |
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22:27.38 | ndim | You can't live for very long on just winning a few 100.000 EUR. |
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22:27.59 | catay | ndim: I mean the jackpot :P |
22:28.05 | ndim | And completely losing track of your field will make it difficult to get back into work. |
22:28.14 | catay | I wnat lots of zeros! |
22:28.17 | mvironwork | catay: even the jackpot may not always be enough |
22:28.35 | mvironwork | catay: if the jackpot is 1 million, then you can live off that for a while, but not forever |
22:28.47 | ndim | You can live off the interest of a million. |
22:28.55 | ndim | Not in luxury, but you can. |
22:28.58 | catay | investing it wisely |
22:29.05 | catay | like buying some houses and rent them |
22:29.10 | catay | rent them out |
22:29.16 | ndim | Not sure whether that is wise. |
22:29.18 | ndim | :) |
22:29.32 | catay | depends on the people living in it :) |
22:29.39 | mvironwork | catay: that wouldn't work here -- there are over 6,000 houses on the market in the 2-county area |
22:29.49 | ndim | 4 to 5% interest should be doable, and you can live off an annual income of 40 to 50 KEUR . |
22:30.22 | ndim | mvironwork: And not enough people who can afford buying one. But perhaps people can afford renting them? |
22:30.34 | mvironwork | ndim: renting is just about as bad |
22:30.44 | catay | here it's almost impossible at some places to buy a house |
22:30.46 | catay | way to expensive |
22:31.14 | catay | so some people dont have a choice then renting , and even these prices are very high for what you get |
22:31.30 | ndim | For the price of a very modest house around here you can buy a grand villa in other areas of the country. |
22:31.55 | catay | it's a bit the same here |
22:32.32 | catay | near Brussels everything is expensive |
22:32.56 | catay | specially on the countryside that circles Brussels |
22:33.02 | ndim | Yupp. |
22:33.11 | ndim | That is "around here". |
22:34.28 | catay | oh well, I only have to work 34 years and then I can retire :p |
22:34.35 | catay | the future looks bright :) |
22:35.13 | ndim | No idea whether you have picked it up on the news, but there are scientists suggesting that the German government pay people an incentive to move away from certain hardly-populated areas in the east, so the state could save the expenses for infrastructure. |
22:35.33 | ndim | Well... the area around here is where people are moving to :) |
22:36.17 | catay | hehe |
22:37.17 | ndim | There are vast areas in the east where the economic situation is so bleak, that most people in wage-earning age have moved away. |
22:38.05 | ndim | The only people remaining are retired and unemployed people without a future. |
22:38.20 | ndim | No children. |
22:43.15 | Pimpi_ | whats interesting here is, that we have dutch "colonies" here by now |
22:43.35 | Pimpi_ | houses are extremly expensive in the netherlands |
22:44.12 | Pimpi_ | so many dutch move to germany near the border, where it's much cheaper |
22:45.44 | Pimpi_ | ndim: i havn't heard of those suggestions so far |
22:46.07 | Pimpi_ | doesn't really make sense though (imho) |
22:49.00 | catay | heya Pimpi_ |
22:49.42 | catay | here a lot of dutch (Netherlands) people come to Belgium for healthcare |
22:50.12 | catay | because in the Netherlands there are huge waitinglists in hospitals and suchs |