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| 00:13.01 | c4757p | nickoe: you have xcode |
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| 00:13.33 | xzcvczx | c4757p: well done :) |
| 00:15.28 | decimad | finally |
| 00:15.32 | decimad | fuck this shit |
| 00:15.45 | reportingsjr | decimad: you're one of us now |
| 00:15.48 | xzcvczx | lol |
| 00:15.50 | reportingsjr | welcome |
| 00:15.53 | c4757p | :D |
| 00:16.07 | xzcvczx | population 214 |
| 00:16.29 | decimad | :) |
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| 00:20.09 | xzcvczx | quick dumb question..... i branched off master and now is my branch destined to be at the branch-off point until i merge back onto master or is there an easy/quick/best way to merge master into my branch? |
| 00:20.21 | xzcvczx | or is that #bad(tm)? |
| 00:21.29 | c4757p | rebase your branch onto master |
| 00:21.40 | c4757p | ('git rebase master' while on your branch) |
| 00:22.11 | xzcvczx | should that not technically be "rebase your branch FROM master"? |
| 00:22.22 | c4757p | no, onto. master will be its new base |
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| 00:24.09 | decimad | c4757p: can you check out the overbar stuff maybe? I think it might be good now |
| 00:24.18 | c4757p | bit busy tonight |
| 00:24.22 | c4757p | when I get a chance |
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| 00:26.08 | cyborg_ar | lol tomorrow i've got a product demo, feel like an important business person |
| 00:26.12 | xzcvczx | c4757p: ooo pretty.... thanks |
| 00:26.33 | xzcvczx | (i didn't trust you and made sure i had a .patch ready just incase it nuked my branch) |
| 00:27.28 | c4757p | git reflog, dude |
| 00:27.45 | c4757p | even "dangerous" operations like rebase and reset --hard are almost always "undoable" |
| 00:28.14 | c4757p | 'git reflog' shows the last bunch of places a ref (your branch) pointed at, you can just pick one and "git reset --hard" to it to fix your fuckup :) |
| 00:28.26 | xzcvczx | the almost always makes me nervous :P |
| 00:28.54 | inductiveload | xzcvczx, there are only a few ways to really screw yourself over in git |
| 00:29.10 | c4757p | almost all of them involve deleting work you haven't checked in yet >_> |
| 00:29.11 | cyborg_ar | decimad, i'll have a look |
| 00:29.13 | inductiveload | 1) do something like reset --hard, then run git gc |
| 00:29.17 | c4757p | ^^ |
| 00:29.22 | c4757p | don't run git gc |
| 00:29.25 | c4757p | :P |
| 00:29.27 | decimad | The code now uses the character advance the font specifies, instead of texture-box size. The G and the D are still taller than the N, that's how the font looks like (even in a PDF viewer!), the old bitmapped font was incorrect. |
| 00:29.30 | inductiveload | which manually purges excess data, just don't do this |
| 00:29.48 | c4757p | "Users are encouraged to run this task on a regular basis within each repository to maintain good disk space utilization and good operating performance." |
| 00:29.49 | c4757p | lolno |
| 00:29.50 | inductiveload | 2) do something like reset --hard and wait more than than 2 months, or more if you raise the GC limit |
| 00:29.52 | c4757p | just don't do it |
| 00:29.54 | c4757p | :P |
| 00:30.08 | cyborg_ar | c4757p, i like running git gc |
| 00:30.17 | c4757p | ponders "git config --global gc.auto 0" |
| 00:30.26 | cyborg_ar | packrat |
| 00:30.29 | c4757p | yup |
| 00:30.32 | inductiveload | 3) make some changes, don't check it it, and then git checkout and overwrite them |
| 00:30.47 | decimad | won't it warn you? |
| 00:30.50 | inductiveload | no |
| 00:31.01 | c4757p | git checkout does not warn, no |
| 00:31.11 | cyborg_ar | there should be an option for it to |
| 00:31.12 | cyborg_ar | though |
| 00:31.16 | cyborg_ar | it would be useful |
| 00:31.26 | decimad | why could I just check out the sdf branch and commit my changes there? |
| 00:31.28 | cyborg_ar | decimad, i'm compiling your branch |
| 00:31.42 | c4757p | decimad: switching branches is okay |
| 00:31.50 | cyborg_ar | c4757p, mostly ok |
| 00:31.51 | c4757p | checking out /files/ is not |
| 00:32.01 | decimad | oh, okay, well, you ask for troube^^ |
| 00:32.05 | cyborg_ar | but checking out a single file is overwrite |
| 00:32.10 | decimad | *trouble |
| 00:32.20 | inductiveload | soory, yes, i mean somethinf like 'vi foo.c; git checkout foo.c' |
| 00:32.21 | decimad | isn't that the way to reset changes? |
| 00:32.22 | cyborg_ar | it's just like using rm |
| 00:32.27 | cyborg_ar | yes |
| 00:32.33 | cyborg_ar | but there is no undo |
| 00:32.41 | reportingsjr | inductiveload: if you do that it will tell you to stash your changes first |
| 00:32.45 | reportingsjr | right? |
| 00:32.47 | c4757p | no! |
| 00:32.49 | inductiveload | no |
| 00:32.50 | reportingsjr | oh, single file |
| 00:32.51 | reportingsjr | huh |
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| 00:32.52 | c4757p | git-checkout on a file does /not/ |
| 00:32.55 | c4757p | :P |
| 00:33.00 | c4757p | also on a directory |
| 00:33.03 | inductiveload | yeo |
| 00:33.05 | reportingsjr | huh |
| 00:33.05 | decimad | send a pull request with added warning ;) |
| 00:33.11 | c4757p | 'git checkout .' to reset all the files in the working tree is /silent/ |
| 00:33.26 | cyborg_ar | heaven forbid you have files and branches with the same names |
| 00:33.31 | inductiveload | i use it specifically for nuking changes if I have extraneous crap after checking something in |
| 00:34.23 | inductiveload | if you have a branch and file the same, git checkout branch, git checkout -- file |
| 00:34.24 | cyborg_ar | decimad, i'm compiling your branch |
| 00:34.35 | decimad | \o/ |
| 00:35.35 | reportingsjr | 133k diff.. hollyyy shit |
| 00:35.42 | inductiveload | that syntax goes for any time you want to distinguish between branch and file |
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| 00:41.20 | cyborg_ar | today i got my GPIB cables, those things are massive, i'm pretty sure they can be used as a weapon in a pinch |
| 00:41.48 | cyborg_ar | http://www.mastec.co.nz/GPIB/GPIB_Cable.jpg |
| 00:42.44 | cirilo | GPIB still in use or is that for old equipment? |
| 00:43.09 | cyborg_ar | old hp gear |
| 00:43.15 | reportingsjr | Not used anymore really |
| 00:43.23 | cyborg_ar | everything moded to ethernet |
| 00:43.58 | reportingsjr | and usb |
| 00:44.14 | inductiveload | ethernet and usb don't make a nice clonk wen you put them down though |
| 00:44.24 | reportingsjr | :P |
| 00:44.27 | inductiveload | so minus points |
| 00:47.43 | cyborg_ar | gpib cables can also be used as nunchakus or boleadoras https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolas |
| 00:51.46 | decimad | Take a video, will you? :) |
| 00:53.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | cyborg_ar: any other lump of steel on a string will be cheaper and more useful than GPIB cables |
| 00:53.34 | cyborg_ar | hahaa |
| 00:53.42 | cyborg_ar | i said in a pinch |
| 00:54.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | not only in a pinch, always |
| 00:54.09 | cyborg_ar | anyway, they are not that out of place when attached to the boat anchors they are meant for |
| 00:55.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | last time I seen anything GPIB must have been last millenium |
| 00:55.35 | cyborg_ar | sounds about right |
| 00:56.28 | cyborg_ar | anyway, now i can talk to all my instruments through USB |
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| 00:56.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | isn't GPIB plug front end just Centronics? |
| 00:57.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | or was that SCSII? |
| 00:57.32 | cyborg_ar | it is GPIB |
| 00:57.59 | cyborg_ar | it is similar to most computer buses in the 80's like the commodore expansion bus |
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| 00:59.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | PET *is* IEEE488 |
| 00:59.29 | cyborg_ar | it is identical to the HP computer expansion bus because it is hp-ib |
| 00:59.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | and the plug is a 24pin "Centronics" |
| 01:00.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | the doubleheaded feature however is what makes that stuff _really_ expensive |
| 01:01.52 | cyborg_ar | i'm off for birthday dinner, bbl |
| 01:02.18 | decimad | good appetite! |
| 01:04.03 | xzcvczx | thats bon appetite you troglodyte :P |
| 01:05.25 | decimad | i hate french |
| 01:05.39 | xzcvczx | that rather racist :P |
| 01:06.11 | decimad | for you I will tolerate it, mon amour |
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| 01:21.57 | cirilo | cyborg_ar, so if I become a vaquero you'd recommend I stock up on GPIB cables? |
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| 01:53.37 | inductiveload | urg why are power modules so $$$, it's like they are taxing my laziness |
| 01:54.07 | inductiveload | (disclaimer: I know that it exactly what it is +/- some extra certification) |
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| 02:33.30 | cyborg_ar | inductiveload, it is very much taxing your laziness |
| 02:34.15 | inductiveload | but they're soooo small and cute and handy |
| 02:35.16 | cirilo | yay .. toys arrived .. now to work on 'em :( |
| 02:35.34 | xzcvczx | you can't "work" on "toys" they are mutually exclusive ideas |
| 02:35.47 | inductiveload | and if they spew noise, i can blame someone else |
| 02:36.02 | inductiveload | (which won't help, but i'll feel better) |
| 02:36.15 | inductiveload | xzcvczx, you can if you work for Apple |
| 02:36.28 | inductiveload | <flame> |
| 02:37.40 | cyborg_ar | lol |
| 02:48.17 | cirilo | jeebus - the thing looks much smaller in hand than it does on the screen while doing layout :O |
| 02:48.47 | cirilo | and I can barely see the 0402 components .. glad I didn't go for 0201 |
| 02:49.01 | cirilo | now to psyche up for a smoke test :O |
| 02:49.32 | c4757p | lol, that always happens |
| 02:49.50 | c4757p | I'm going to cry when I have to place my 0201 capacitors |
| 02:50.39 | cirilo | I just got an assembly house to do it - there were too many components which would smoke and melt if I attempted to place them |
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| 02:54.38 | cirilo | ah .. but first I have to find a micro-B connector .. |
| 03:11.08 | cirilo | farq .. no can do smoke test .. not a single USB micro-B in my house |
| 03:14.19 | xzcvczx | cirilo: just take the one out of your phone |
| 03:15.12 | cirilo | my 2004 nokia? :P |
| 03:15.50 | cirilo | wel f00k me - it's got a micro-B. I wonder if there's a corresponding cable |
| 03:16.27 | cirilo | oops .. nope .. wan't micro-B, only mini-B |
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| 03:32.06 | ETS_ | Anyone here able to help a guy with a zone fill problem? |
| 03:32.37 | c4757p | we can try :) |
| 03:35.23 | ETS_ | Thanks. The problem seems to be operator error, but I don't know what to change. Keycad 4.0.4, place the area boundary, |
| 03:35.51 | xzcvczx | keycad? are you usre you have the right channel? :P |
| 03:36.25 | ETS_ | right click and click fill/refill, nothing happens. Trying o pick up GND pins. |
| 03:36.43 | xzcvczx | did you set the net for the plane? |
| 03:36.47 | xzcvczx | and if you press 'b' does it fill? |
| 03:37.26 | ETS_ | b? different from menu fill? |
| 03:37.45 | ETS_ | yes, chose Gnd net, |
| 03:38.23 | c4757p | can you take a screenshot of the zone? |
| 03:38.45 | ETS_ | Oh. I did get a fill, but I had to route several Gnd nest first. |
| 03:38.52 | c4757p | ahh, I think I know what the problem is |
| 03:39.10 | c4757p | it won't fill anything it can't connect to - if the clearance setting won't let it fill all the way to the centers of the pads, it won't fill |
| 03:39.26 | ETS_ | also, when I got the fill, the gnd oins were not connected to it |
| 03:39.42 | c4757p | yup |
| 03:39.43 | ETS_ | oins =pin |
| 03:39.45 | c4757p | screenshot? :) |
| 03:40.27 | ETS_ | What would I take a shot of? there is nothing there |
| 03:40.35 | c4757p | zone, pins, etc |
| 03:40.57 | ETS_ | ok, i'll try. paste here? |
| 03:41.18 | c4757p | well, you'll have to upload it somewhere and paste a link |
| 03:41.36 | ETS_ | CHOICES? |
| 03:42.10 | xzcvczx | postimg |
| 03:42.37 | ETS_ | postimg .com i presume |
| 03:42.53 | xzcvczx | .org |
| 03:43.28 | ETS_ | thanks. I'll be a minute |
| 03:51.37 | cirilo | *sigh* why can't I afford nice toys like an 8-core i7 and a GTX1080 GPU. :( |
| 03:52.37 | xzcvczx | cirilo: because any money you make is taken by the aussie government due to it being the proceeds of crime |
| 03:53.09 | cirilo | mebbe it's time to move to Eire |
| 03:54.19 | xzcvczx | become a sand salesman and move to coober pedy |
| 03:56.10 | cirilo | can only have a cactus garden in Coober Pedy .. interesting place to see, but you couldn't pay me to live there .. well, almost .. just have to pay me enough. :) |
| 03:57.36 | xzcvczx | you wouldn't want to live underground :O |
| 03:58.52 | cirilo | actually at Coober Pedy I can't understand the silly people who want to live on the surface .. and shower every day |
| 03:59.13 | cirilo | at least I'll have an excuse to be smelly I guess |
| 03:59.31 | ETS_ | [url=https://postimg.org/image/ddnrnr6kj/][img]https://s5.postimg.org/ddnrnr6kj/Capture1.png[/img][/url |
| 03:59.59 | ETS_ | [url=https://postimg.org/image/u2p7jo35v/][img]https://s5.postimg.org/u2p7jo35v/Capture2.png[/img][/url] |
| 04:00.13 | ETS_ | [url=https://postimg.org/image/k6o4k0xdv/][img]https://s5.postimg.org/k6o4k0xdv/Capture3.png[/img][/url] |
| 04:00.31 | xzcvczx | dude post just the https://s5-png otherwise its a pain in the ass to open |
| 04:01.37 | c4757p | ...leave it to xzcvczx to suggest the image sharing service that tells me all about the cute Latinas meeting men here |
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| 04:01.58 | xzcvczx | ETS_: seriously? 20px x 20px |
| 04:02.04 | xzcvczx | c4757p: well i thought you were lonely |
| 04:02.09 | c4757p | xzcvczx: erm, they load fine for me |
| 04:02.12 | xzcvczx | c4757p: you seriously don't have/use an adblocker? |
| 04:02.19 | c4757p | I do, it just didn't catch those |
| 04:02.38 | ETS_ | Oh. first time using the site. https://s5.postimg.org/ddnrnr6kj/Capture1.png |
| 04:02.54 | c4757p | anyway, I suspect it's a zone clearance issue - it has to be able to fill all the way to the center of the pad |
| 04:03.07 | ETS_ | https://s5.postimg.org/u2p7jo35v/Capture2.png |
| 04:03.09 | c4757p | otherwise it considers them disconnected |
| 04:03.22 | c4757p | though 20mil is relatively small |
| 04:03.30 | c4757p | hm. |
| 04:03.31 | ETS_ | https://s5.postimg.org/k6o4k0xdv/Capture3.png |
| 04:04.21 | c4757p | oh, 20mil isn't as small as I thought |
| 04:04.23 | c4757p | converts it |
| 04:04.32 | c4757p | ETS_: try decreasing the zone clearance by half or so |
| 04:05.14 | ETS_ | Ok, so I don't understand the perameters. where can I find them, and what are some good targets |
| 04:05.40 | c4757p | ETS_: https://postimg.org/image/k6o4k0xdv/, "Clearance" on the left |
| 04:06.18 | c4757p | 0.02in is usally a pretty sane setting, but with that particular pad arrangement you might need to make it a bit tighter |
| 04:07.19 | ETS_ | Just tried .01 and .005. No joy |
| 04:07.24 | c4757p | hrmph |
| 04:07.44 | c4757p | wtf |
| 04:08.00 | ETS_ | 's what I say |
| 04:09.32 | ETS_ | Ok, mebbe I need to route one or two GNDs first. |
| 04:13.47 | ETS_ | Ok, I routed one pin to another, sent the clearance to 1 mil and it worked. let me see if I have thermals |
| 04:14.42 | ETS_ | no joy thermals, but it looks like it is trying |
| 04:15.04 | c4757p | o_O |
| 04:16.24 | ETS_ | Ok, the routing idea I found was a fix for an issue workaround in 2012. Thought it might work here |
| 04:17.20 | ETS_ | looks like I need to work the parameters |
| 04:17.47 | ETS_ | thoughts? |
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| 04:40.47 | wpwrak | hah, that footprint wizard is cute, especially the bar codes. but ... do i see this correctly that it just fills nearly the entire ground pad with solder paste ? |
| 04:44.44 | keenerd | Hrm so 4.0.4 still doesn't have the boost 1.61 patches and it changes line-endings everywhere again. |
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| 05:01.51 | Guest87586 | ï¼ï¼ï¼ |
| 05:12.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | wpwrak: yep, and it's actually scripted, so pretty easy to mod |
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| 05:35.26 | nickoe | c4757p: have you installed xcode now? |
| 05:35.30 | c4757p | yes |
| 05:36.59 | nickoe | I still get the error http://ci.kicad-pcb.org/job/osx-kicad-clang-head/6/console |
| 05:37.22 | c4757p | okay |
| 05:38.47 | nickoe | maybe xcode-select -switch /Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer must be done per user? |
| 05:39.05 | nickoe | no, it requires sudo |
| 05:39.06 | c4757p | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 05:39.29 | nickoe | $ xcode-select -p |
| 05:39.29 | nickoe | /Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer |
| 05:39.32 | nickoe | so that looks right. |
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| 05:43.37 | ETS_ | Hey c4757p, wanted to say thanks for the help earlier. still don't have connections yet, but thanks for the effort anyway. |
| 05:43.51 | xzcvczx | nickoe: thats right :) |
| 05:44.02 | nickoe | xzcvczx: but it still errros with cmake |
| 05:44.10 | xzcvczx | nickoe: did you try opening xcode in the gui? |
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| 05:44.13 | nickoe | I also tried to clean the build dir |
| 05:44.15 | xzcvczx | as it needs to select the license |
| 05:44.23 | nickoe | no, not yet, c4757p said he instlaled it. |
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| 05:45.43 | xzcvczx | select/accept the licence |
| 05:46.36 | nickoe | should that be a pop up? |
| 05:46.53 | nickoe | I have opened xcode now and not prompt. |
| 05:47.00 | nickoe | *no prompt |
| 05:47.15 | nickoe | ohh, 2 secs |
| 05:47.42 | nickoe | it is not complaining about xcode now :=) |
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| 05:48.28 | nickoe | xzcvczx: it complains that it can't fix OCE this time. |
| 05:48.31 | nickoe | so that si good |
| 05:50.58 | nickoe | It looks like it installs oce to Cellar/oce/0.17.2 and not usr/local/opt/oce/OCE.framework/Versions/0.17/Resources/ |
| 05:53.11 | nickoe | or rather, the cmake files are indeed in Cellar/oce/0.17.2/OCE.framework/Versions/0.17/Resources |
| 05:53.26 | nickoe | but Cellar instead of usr/local/opt |
| 05:54.50 | nickoe | and then swig |
| 05:57.20 | xzcvczx | nickoe: pull my github script |
| 05:57.23 | xzcvczx | oce has been fixed up |
| 05:57.30 | xzcvczx | they are in opt |
| 05:57.42 | xzcvczx | as otherwise it would break between versions |
| 05:57.53 | xzcvczx | but now it uses brew --prefix to get hte path |
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| 05:58.19 | nickoe | mm, ok |
| 05:58.30 | nickoe | I will try that later, for now I must go. |
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| 07:40.42 | alphaferret | simplest, most basic 2-led vu meter takes up how many mm2 board space? |
| 07:43.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | 10? |
| 07:43.43 | alphaferret | are there all in one ic package solutions |
| 07:43.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | #define "simplest most basic" |
| 07:44.00 | archivist | I dont think 2 led constitutes a "meter" |
| 07:44.00 | alphaferret | 2 led's red and green |
| 07:44.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, that's 6mm^2 then |
| 07:44.45 | alphaferret | it constitutes 'simplest, most basic' meter |
| 07:44.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | 2*LED, 1*R |
| 07:45.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | since green LED has higher foward voltage than red LED |
| 07:46.52 | alphaferret | There was one 2-led meter I actually found useful in a product. led intensity varied with signal, and you just find the point right before red lit up or just slightly lit up |
| 07:46.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | so green LED in parallel to a series of red LED plus resistor, will act like a VU-meter controlled by current limited input between ~1.5V and 2.5V |
| 07:48.22 | archivist | real VU has different attack/decay so you dont clip |
| 07:48.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you want to go more nifty, there are chips that control iirc 5 LEDs |
| 07:49.04 | archivist | bargraph chips |
| 07:49.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 07:49.43 | alphaferret | yea that sounds good |
| 07:50.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/lm3914.pdf |
| 07:51.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | first hit |
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| 08:03.49 | nickoe | xzcvczx: anyway, there is a build on jenkuns now with scripting disabled. Could you verify it? |
| 08:04.34 | nickoe | There is quite some warning spam from the compiler it seems. |
| 08:09.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | alphaferret: http://www.nteinc.com/specs/1500to1599/pdf/nte1502.pdf 5 LEDs |
| 08:10.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | but larger chip ;-P |
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| 08:27.52 | cirilo | 'k - enough computers for today - see you guys tomorrow |
| 08:30.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | alphaferret: however you need a peak envelope detector anyway for all of those chips |
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| 08:43.40 | cyborg_ar | hmmm buck booost or boost+ldo |
| 08:44.05 | cyborg_ar | booooooooooost |
| 08:44.06 | cyborg_ar | haha |
| 08:44.29 | cyborg_ar | i think i'll go with boost and ldo, need to power a 3.3v circuit with 2 alkaline batteries |
| 08:44.46 | cyborg_ar | will be boosting 99-100% of the time |
| 08:47.53 | alphaferret | current draw? |
| 08:50.30 | cyborg_ar | i'm shooting for a few tens of mA |
| 08:52.45 | alphaferret | ltc3265 has ldo on board |
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| 09:30.31 | xzcvczx | wonders when "South Park" starting being spelt starting with a 'P' |
| 09:34.11 | thardin_ | Pouth Park? |
| 09:34.20 | xzcvczx | Pouth Sark |
| 09:34.41 | cyborg_ar | sounds like the name of an alien in star trek |
| 09:45.11 | cyborg_ar | http://www.instructables.com/id/The-Maven-Box-an-Arduino-Controller-for-Software-D/ ha send one of these to JP |
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| 10:14.56 | xzcvczx | fucking oracle |
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| 10:37.03 | cyborg_ar | HAHAHA |
| 10:37.12 | cyborg_ar | the pdf rendering of this msp datasheet |
| 10:37.23 | cyborg_ar | Ultralow Power Consumption |
| 10:37.23 | cyborg_ar | âActive Mode (AM): 165 mA/MHz at 8 MHz |
| 10:37.36 | cyborg_ar | i think that power consumption is a bit high |
| 10:37.37 | xzcvczx | wow thats really low current |
| 10:37.43 | xzcvczx | what you on about |
| 10:37.53 | xzcvczx | my first computer used a damn sight more than that at 8MHz |
| 10:38.01 | cyborg_ar | less than 2 amps |
| 10:38.06 | cyborg_ar | that's low power |
| 10:38.30 | xzcvczx | well my computer was a "portable" so it was "low power" |
| 10:38.39 | cyborg_ar | dataloger for marine spectrometry |
| 10:40.29 | cyborg_ar | i think i'll end up going with a smt32L chip though, i need USB |
| 10:40.57 | xzcvczx | could use a fucking trolling dicky idiot chip |
| 10:41.42 | xzcvczx | although i have a device that uses msp430+ftdi and its usb connection is dodgy and flaky as shit |
| 10:43.37 | cyborg_ar | yeah ideally it would have a mass storage class for the SD card and HID for configuration/programming |
| 10:44.15 | xzcvczx | thats going to use a fair bit of flash |
| 10:44.41 | cyborg_ar | yeah |
| 10:45.08 | xzcvczx | is your sd going to be fat or raw? |
| 10:45.51 | cyborg_ar | but the rest of the firmware is to wake up, turn on sensors, wait, fetch data from sensors, if the buffer is full wake up SD card, write to it, turn off everything, go back to sleep |
| 10:46.01 | cyborg_ar | fat i think |
| 10:46.37 | cyborg_ar | i wouldnt write to SD on every data point because SD power consumption is fucking monstruous |
| 10:47.00 | xzcvczx | do the sensors not have an epically low power mode that can take periodic preferably to a ring buffer and wake up the mcu when they are full? |
| 10:47.10 | cyborg_ar | i'm gonna buffer binary data on eeprom, then dump to CSV lines on the SD card when the buffer fills |
| 10:47.26 | xzcvczx | on eeprom o_O |
| 10:47.41 | cyborg_ar | i'm just thinking out loud |
| 10:47.48 | cyborg_ar | i might just use battery backed ram |
| 10:48.05 | xzcvczx | bot the msp430 and the stm32l have decent low power ram retention iirc |
| 10:48.14 | cyborg_ar | i think the stm32l has some ram in the backup domain |
| 10:48.15 | cyborg_ar | yes |
| 10:48.22 | xzcvczx | although finding one with enough ram might be an issue |
| 10:49.32 | cyborg_ar | i dont need much ram, probably about 32 bytes per sample, if i can find a decvice where i can devote 512 bytes to this, i only need to write every 16 samples |
| 10:49.46 | cyborg_ar | the datarate for logging is once a minute at most |
| 10:50.09 | cyborg_ar | but i'd like to get a couple of months out of 2 D cells |
| 10:50.20 | xzcvczx | how much storage do you need? |
| 10:50.32 | cyborg_ar | i actually dunno |
| 10:50.54 | cyborg_ar | i'm still evaluating this project |
| 10:51.00 | cyborg_ar | but it's a good question to ask |
| 10:51.01 | xzcvczx | could you get away with just a 64MB chip or something |
| 10:51.07 | cyborg_ar | i might |
| 10:51.36 | cyborg_ar | if anything to keep a raw binary log, and maybe copy to SD, or reinterpret on USB when they want to extract the data |
| 10:52.05 | xzcvczx | well 64mb just pull over hid and save to a text file or some shit |
| 10:52.18 | xzcvczx | saves having to have a fat interface on the mcu |
| 10:52.25 | cyborg_ar | that could be an option too |
| 10:52.40 | cyborg_ar | i just need to balance how everything affects battery life |
| 10:54.09 | decimad | I saw someone connect a 470 ohm resistor between +V and VCC to help battery life! |
| 10:54.52 | archivist | loooon |
| 10:57.04 | cyborg_ar | say i get 2 months operation with 1 sample every 10 minutes, i need 4 bytes for the timestamp, and 4 bytes per sensor channel, let's say i have 7 channels (max), that's 32 bytes every 10 minutes (6/h), that's 276 megabytes after two months |
| 10:57.12 | cyborg_ar | wont fit in a small chip :( |
| 10:59.07 | xzcvczx | lrn2compress |
| 10:59.19 | decimad | compressing costs power :D |
| 10:59.33 | xzcvczx | shit all with the right algorithm |
| 10:59.42 | cyborg_ar | this is datalogging for expensive expeditions, i'd prefer to have the redundancy |
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| 11:00.21 | xzcvczx | then i hope you have multiple chips in a raid configuration :P |
| 11:00.38 | decimad | I hear nuclear batteries have a good energy density |
| 11:03.13 | xzcvczx | its hard to believe how quickly 32bytes can grow across only 2 months tbh |
| 11:04.24 | cyborg_ar | my ballpark power estimation would be for measure-only phases would take about 60mA for around 30 seconds powering the sensors (0.5mWh), if SD card write is needed it would jump up to 200mA for a couple of seconds(0.15mWh). if i have 6 measurement cycles and a store cycle each hour, average power consumption would be 3.15mWh plus quiescent currents |
| 11:05.25 | xzcvczx | what sort of sensors? |
| 11:05.50 | cyborg_ar | spectroscope |
| 11:05.53 | xzcvczx | can't be bothered googling marine spectroscometery |
| 11:06.00 | xzcvczx | and wtf is thta used for |
| 11:06.06 | archivist | store in battery backed cmos, a lot lower consumption |
| 11:06.14 | cyborg_ar | for measuring the spectrum |
| 11:06.29 | cyborg_ar | yeah i would probably buffer an hour worth of measurements |
| 11:06.37 | archivist | what part of what spectrum :) |
| 11:06.46 | cyborg_ar | visible, and near IR |
| 11:06.49 | xzcvczx | the em spectrum |
| 11:06.49 | xzcvczx | :P |
| 11:07.04 | xzcvczx | why would anyone bother :S |
| 11:07.34 | cyborg_ar | i think it's for measuring the properties of the water and flora |
| 11:07.45 | cyborg_ar | dont really have many details on the science |
| 11:07.59 | xzcvczx | well the water is probably made of 2 parts of hydrogen and 1 part oxygen |
| 11:08.21 | archivist | I have a densitometer here that shines through a cell and measures the spectrum |
| 11:08.59 | cyborg_ar | hmmm, if i believe the liar numbers i just wrote i might have a very comfortable couple of month on D cells, probably much more than that if i didn't have to derate for extreme temperatures |
| 11:09.22 | archivist | cuddle in polystyrene |
| 11:09.27 | cyborg_ar | hehe yes |
| 11:09.47 | archivist | extrem worm dont give a bugger |
| 11:09.51 | archivist | warm |
| 11:10.04 | xzcvczx | whats the mah of an average alkaline d? |
| 11:10.21 | cyborg_ar | 10-20Ah |
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| 11:11.22 | xzcvczx | :O |
| 11:12.19 | xzcvczx | i really with lions would get the same density as a primary cell |
| 11:12.22 | xzcvczx | wish |
| 11:12.24 | metacollin | alkaline cell capacity varies by as much as 75% depending on load |
| 11:12.40 | metacollin | or rather, drain rate |
| 11:13.04 | xzcvczx | metacollin: your script doesn't deal with symbols shite eh? |
| 11:13.11 | xzcvczx | and 3d models |
| 11:13.17 | metacollin | huh? |
| 11:13.42 | xzcvczx | metacollin: your brew recipe |
| 11:14.03 | xzcvczx | don't you say to just pull the nightly's /Library/Applciation Support/kicad stuff? |
| 11:14.15 | metacollin | yeah, i meant, what do you mean by symbols shite heh |
| 11:14.19 | metacollin | yeah |
| 11:14.20 | xzcvczx | and just fyi my script is now at https://github.com/xzcvczx/kicad-app |
| 11:14.21 | metacollin | oooh |
| 11:14.29 | metacollin | yeah I tell them to deal with it themselves lol |
| 11:14.38 | metacollin | awesome |
| 11:14.49 | metacollin | is it done? I can test it if you want |
| 11:15.00 | xzcvczx | it works but definately not finished yet |
| 11:15.06 | metacollin | Ah ok. |
| 11:15.18 | xzcvczx | is slightly fancier than it was yesterday though |
| 11:17.14 | cyborg_ar | yeah alkalines are kinda crappy |
| 11:17.17 | metacollin | The thing with the library etc is I never really could settle on a good solution. I do have an option where it adds /usr/local/share/kicad to the path stack and installs the library there but that's as far as I went |
| 11:17.34 | cyborg_ar | hence why the huge range i quoted |
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| 11:18.09 | metacollin | an energizer D cell is about 18000mah but only if you drain it at 25 ma. Drain at 500 and the capacity drops by half, to 9000mah |
| 11:18.32 | metacollin | yeah just saying the important factor :) |
| 11:18.44 | xzcvczx | and if you drain it at 25A? |
| 11:19.07 | Haohmaru | Q: i want to copy pretty much everything from one hierarchical sheet and use it in a new project, but i can't figure out how to do it |
| 11:19.08 | Haohmaru | halp |
| 11:19.18 | metacollin | it turns into faeries |
| 11:19.22 | metacollin | and flies away |
| 11:19.31 | xzcvczx | loool |
| 11:19.32 | metacollin | 24A is fine though |
| 11:20.03 | metacollin | oh man internal resistance at best is 150mΩ |
| 11:20.13 | metacollin | for a D cell alkaline it looks like |
| 11:20.15 | metacollin | http://data.energizer.com/PDFs/e95.pdf |
| 11:21.10 | xzcvczx | lol everyone gives up and uses cheap no-name brands with alkalines |
| 11:22.01 | metacollin | yeah which are probably 2-3 times crappier |
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| 11:22.50 | xzcvczx | 2-3 orders of magnitude |
| 11:23.00 | cyborg_ar | nah |
| 11:23.15 | cyborg_ar | unless it's one of those made out of a plastic shell with an AA inside |
| 11:23.21 | metacollin | then there are rechargeable D cells. Which are just rechargeable AA cells put inside a D-cell sized container. |
| 11:23.26 | metacollin | https://www.amazon.com/Energizer-Rechargeable-Batteries-D-2-Count/dp/B0031JYRCY |
| 11:23.33 | metacollin | 2500mAh capacity |
| 11:23.37 | metacollin | same as their AA cell =P |
| 11:23.55 | metacollin | but not the same price |
| 11:24.08 | metacollin | oh wait |
| 11:24.12 | metacollin | cyborg_ar: literally just said that |
| 11:24.14 | metacollin | nvm |
| 11:24.15 | metacollin | lol |
| 11:24.26 | metacollin | (about the D cells)_ |
| 11:26.27 | xzcvczx | anything to save 10cents |
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| 11:28.07 | cyborg_ar | well, using real D cells would have too much capacity |
| 11:28.19 | cyborg_ar | would stop people from buying them again and again |
| 11:28.19 | xzcvczx | theres no such thing |
| 11:28.39 | cyborg_ar | it's the batteries that keep you buying and buying |
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| 11:29.19 | metacollin | i just plug a power strip into itself, which generates unlimited energy for me |
| 11:29.22 | metacollin | jk |
| 11:29.24 | xzcvczx | wonders if him and archivst are the only ones old enough to remember the old energizer bunny ads on tv |
| 11:29.42 | metacollin | naw I remember them |
| 11:30.00 | metacollin | I didn't even know they stopped doing them lol |
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| 11:31.04 | xzcvczx | meh i don't watch tv any more so don't really see ads |
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| 11:31.36 | archivist | xzcvczx, they still use the bunny |
| 11:31.52 | xzcvczx | ah my bad |
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| 11:32.23 | xzcvczx | i don't remember there being any since i was quite young |
| 11:32.27 | alphaferret | what's with manufacturers not indicating whether miniature switches are shorting or non-shorting |
| 11:32.58 | metacollin | So, primary cells are really only meant for very long service time, very low drain rate/very ittermittant duty type stuff. TV remotes, smoke detectors, CMOS back up batteries, that kind of thing. Stuff where the battery will still have useful capacity long after a secondary cell's self-discharge time has elapsed. Those are really the only situations primary cells are better though. |
| 11:33.04 | archivist | you mean make before break or break before make |
| 11:33.08 | alphaferret | yes |
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| 11:33.14 | xzcvczx | alphaferret: they might be longing instead |
| 11:33.30 | archivist | then look for the right term :) |
| 11:33.44 | alphaferret | they are synonymous and neither was indicated |
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| 11:35.39 | xzcvczx | wonders why the bezier code isn't used for the length matching shite |
| 11:36.08 | mroszko__ | o |
| 11:36.23 | mroszko__ | so QT5 under msys2 uses the latest opengl if you specify 2.0 |
| 11:36.29 | mroszko__ | but it uses 3.0 if you specify 3.0 |
| 11:36.29 | metacollin | is the bezier code like, used at all? |
| 11:36.31 | mroszko__ | and then doesnt work |
| 11:36.35 | mroszko__ | msys2 makes me cry |
| 11:36.48 | alphaferret | it was first used by hammurabi |
| 11:36.53 | mroszko__ | god knows how kicad works |
| 11:36.58 | metacollin | then nicolas cage? |
| 11:37.18 | metacollin | god is dead |
| 11:37.26 | metacollin | so no one knows how kicad works now |
| 11:37.28 | metacollin | sorry |
| 11:37.39 | metacollin | (kidding) |
| 11:38.18 | xzcvczx | i don't think anyone ever did |
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| 11:55.18 | decimad | Okay, I'm thinking maybe I'll take a break for continuing the board I intended to create two months ago :D |
| 11:55.48 | xzcvczx | we demand sdf ready to merge |
| 11:57.22 | decimad | I consider that something I can do in parallel ;) |
| 11:57.31 | metacollin | sdf? |
| 11:58.20 | xzcvczx | decimad: but parallel means there is less current available on each path |
| 11:58.33 | xzcvczx | decimad: see no one fucking knows what sdf stands for :P |
| 11:58.41 | metacollin | super dimension fortress? |
| 11:59.02 | decimad | people are usually only interested in results, not techniques ;) |
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| 12:00.28 | metacollin | which one of these are you talking about https://metacollin.com/screens/upshot_7Hw5w8I7.png |
| 12:00.47 | metacollin | if any |
| 12:00.55 | decimad | third from top |
| 12:01.53 | metacollin | ooo for fonts? :D |
| 12:02.33 | decimad | yes |
| 12:03.33 | metacollin | awesome |
| 12:04.03 | xzcvczx | it wasn't so good in my first try of his branch, but now its pretty nice |
| 12:04.13 | xzcvczx | well last time i checked it was pretty nice |
| 12:04.18 | xzcvczx | but then c4 said shit was bad |
| 12:04.22 | metacollin | oh wait is there already a branch? |
| 12:04.24 | mroszko__ | signed distance fields? |
| 12:04.36 | mroszko__ | i wonder why the guy has his own atlas tool |
| 12:04.42 | mroszko__ | theres a github project for that already |
| 12:04.50 | mroszko__ | actually the original msdf one |
| 12:04.56 | xzcvczx | git.launchpad.net/decimad/kicad/sdf or some such rubbish |
| 12:05.11 | mroszko__ | https://github.com/Chlumsky/msdfgen |
| 12:05.35 | decimad | mroszko__: I could not find a tool that spits out an atlas, so I used msdfgen and wrote atlas code and info-export around it. |
| 12:05.50 | mroszko__ | o.o |
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| 12:06.55 | mroszko | but isnt the atlas just a fixed positioning calculation based on char ##? |
| 12:07.05 | decimad | no |
| 12:07.23 | decimad | that would be a waste of texture space |
| 12:15.10 | cyborg_ar | msdf is magic |
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| 12:46.45 | xzcvczx | c4757p: boards turned up yet? |
| 12:50.32 | GyrosGeier | DocScrutinizer05, the answer on the stackexchange question already works down to ~3V |
| 12:51.19 | GyrosGeier | I'd like a solution that also works for 0, lets me distinguish between "no power" and "measurement equipment broken" and won't die if I accidentally connect the power in reverse |
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| 13:12.59 | decimad | Maybe it would be worthwile to eventually redistribute the tool and let it generate the atlas, as to not having 11megs of source code in the repo... |
| 13:13.17 | decimad | but that'd pull in freetype external dependency -.- |
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| 13:44.43 | cyborg_ar | i think the external tool is fine |
| 13:45.14 | cyborg_ar | with the 11 megs of pregenerated code |
| 13:46.43 | orsonmmz | nickoe: do you know if windows nightlies are build with the spice simulator enabled? |
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| 14:18.54 | nickoe | decimad: but we already have dependa who depend on freetype |
| 14:21.42 | decimad | nickoe: Well, cyborg_ar thinks it's fine as it is, and I gladly accept this opinion, since it means no work :P |
| 14:22.16 | cyborg_ar | haha |
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| 14:24.32 | orsonmmz | nickoe: I had just reconnected, so if you replied in the meantime, then I have not seen your answer |
| 14:26.10 | decimad | he did not :P |
| 14:27.31 | orsonmmz | ok, thx ;) |
| 14:28.24 | orsonmmz | nickoe: ok, got the email |
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| 14:35.11 | decimad | Will the wrl models eventually fade? |
| 14:36.53 | cyborg_ar | decimad, if you avoid exposing them to direct sunlight they shouldnt fade |
| 14:37.06 | decimad | :) |
| 14:37.16 | decimad | I was just thinking 7z compresses them to < 10% |
| 14:37.43 | cyborg_ar | well, they are text files after all |
| 14:37.48 | decimad | yes |
| 14:37.48 | cyborg_ar | very verbose text files |
| 14:37.53 | decimad | of course |
| 14:38.18 | cyborg_ar | a whole line has like 12 bytes of entropy |
| 14:38.51 | decimad | Was my intention not clear? I was asking if there was merit to store them in an archive instead of plain text... that would shave 300 megs away |
| 14:39.20 | decimad | of course diskspace if tree today, but still ;) |
| 14:41.09 | cyborg_ar | it would be nice if kicad had a general way of accessing gzipped files, like kicad_pcb.gz, they do get very large sometimes |
| 14:41.30 | cyborg_ar | it would mess with VCS though |
| 14:41.49 | cyborg_ar | so not _terribly_ interesting unless you wanna fit it in a floppy disk |
| 14:41.59 | decimad | also the distributes .ps files for the footprint don't seem to be optimal either |
| 14:42.11 | decimad | kicx file format ;) |
| 14:42.43 | decimad | yeah, true |
| 14:42.49 | decimad | @VCS |
| 14:43.31 | cyborg_ar | for model files there is merit though |
| 14:43.51 | cyborg_ar | there is no way in hell you are going to inspect or merge changes in a wrl or step file |
| 14:44.01 | decimad | Well, you could read & store both... whatever is more optimal... Not everybody runs VCS, and for sharing you use kicx |
| 14:44.07 | cyborg_ar | they might as well just be full binary |
| 14:44.26 | cyborg_ar | why kicx? just use the standard |
| 14:44.32 | cyborg_ar | .gz at the end |
| 14:44.56 | decimad | because it seems a common pattern to call such stuf "xyzx"... ;) |
| 14:44.58 | cyborg_ar | just make kicad aware of that so that it will use gzip |
| 14:45.33 | decimad | at least on the windows software I witnessed |
| 14:45.50 | cyborg_ar | meh |
| 14:46.04 | cyborg_ar | iirc windows should be able to deal with .gz files |
| 14:46.36 | decimad | Well, the point is, the kicx actually would communicate that although it's gz, it has a special dir structure |
| 14:46.54 | cyborg_ar | i'm not talking about archiving the whole projecty |
| 14:47.02 | cyborg_ar | just gzip individual files |
| 14:47.46 | cyborg_ar | if you tack gz at the end of a file, programs like emacs or firefox will ungzip it first, and then interpret it with the original extension/mime type |
| 14:48.11 | decimad | well, I wouldnt not know why stopping there, of course one could use compression on every level |
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| 14:48.59 | decimad | but well, you might wanna store kicad-unaware stuff alongside in the project dir |
| 14:49.12 | alphaferret | how bad is it to use bbm switch for audio op amp gain |
| 14:49.25 | cyborg_ar | bbm switch? |
| 14:49.33 | alphaferret | non shorting |
| 14:49.50 | cyborg_ar | what will it be switching |
| 14:49.55 | cyborg_ar | gain? |
| 14:49.57 | alphaferret | gain resistors |
| 14:50.06 | cyborg_ar | what happens when the circuit is open? |
| 14:50.53 | alphaferret | i guess open loop |
| 14:51.01 | cyborg_ar | ok |
| 14:51.09 | cyborg_ar | now what happens when two are shorted? |
| 14:51.35 | alphaferret | smoothe click free gain |
| 14:51.57 | cyborg_ar | gain is less than the smaller one (or larger dependng on how it's wired) |
| 14:52.55 | cyborg_ar | yep, you might get a pretty large POP |
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| 14:52.58 | alphaferret | the smallest workable dp3t's i found are mini slide |
| 14:53.20 | alphaferret | is there any other type of switch i could look for |
| 14:54.06 | cyborg_ar | can't you wire the resistors in series, and use the switch to short the ones you select out? |
| 14:54.16 | cyborg_ar | that will be even more pop free |
| 14:54.47 | cyborg_ar | hmm nevermind |
| 14:54.57 | cyborg_ar | it will be less poppy than leaving an open loop though |
| 14:56.27 | cyborg_ar | hmm |
| 14:56.29 | cyborg_ar | actually |
| 14:56.32 | cyborg_ar | for the INA |
| 14:56.45 | cyborg_ar | open gain resistor is gain=1, not open loop |
| 14:56.49 | alphaferret | no this is for the master section, just regular op amp |
| 14:56.50 | cyborg_ar | that's why i asked |
| 14:56.53 | cyborg_ar | ahh |
| 14:56.59 | alphaferret | dual op amp |
| 14:57.09 | alphaferret | i think i need shorting |
| 14:57.21 | alphaferret | the one i had picked out is not in stock |
| 14:57.25 | cyborg_ar | could you show me the schematic? |
| 14:57.32 | alphaferret | ok |
| 14:59.07 | alphaferret | http://uploadpie.com/85ZNd |
| 14:59.16 | alphaferret | i've used this type of switch before, just need a small one |
| 15:00.23 | alphaferret | te alcoswitch ehh it works but it's big and klunky |
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| 15:06.38 | cyborg_ar | alphaferret, i like this configuration better http://i.imgur.com/4FToXOe.jpg, you probably can get away with BBM switches there |
| 15:07.50 | cyborg_ar | also even in the original configuration, leaving the gain resistor open there sets the gain to 1 |
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| 15:12.04 | alphaferret | i want it set to 1 |
| 15:12.19 | alphaferret | no i want it set to 2 |
| 15:12.37 | alphaferret | so non-shorting would be fine then |
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| 15:15.39 | alphaferret | in mine open is 10k/0 which is what infinite? |
| 15:15.41 | alphaferret | or 0 |
| 15:16.12 | alphaferret | ok i see |
| 15:18.21 | cyborg_ar | :) |
| 15:18.56 | alphaferret | yours is adding in series |
| 15:19.02 | alphaferret | but no real advantage |
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| 15:19.48 | cnx | Hi there |
| 15:19.54 | cyborg_ar | not much, what happens is that when the switch is open it will set the gain to one of the known values |
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| 15:20.44 | cyborg_ar | also, it will be trully click free with a MBB switch |
| 15:21.04 | cnx | I've tried to migrate a layout from stable BZR4022 to v4.0.4 stable - Unfortunately, the placed placed on the bottom side of the PCB vanished, although they are contained in the .kicad_pcb file. Any hints? |
| 15:21.08 | alphaferret | gain of 1 is fine though |
| 15:21.09 | cyborg_ar | as there will be no intermediate value with two resistors in parallel |
| 15:21.20 | c4757p | holy jesus https://git.launchpad.net/kicad/log/?h=master |
| 15:21.24 | alphaferret | because it's low gain settings, 6, 12, or 18 |
| 15:21.24 | cyborg_ar | your design will put two resistors in parallel when shorted |
| 15:21.31 | c4757p | Orson sure doesn't like to squash |
| 15:21.53 | cyborg_ar | c4757p, meh |
| 15:22.02 | cyborg_ar | at least he writes good commit messages |
| 15:22.07 | c4757p | I'm not complaining |
| 15:22.10 | c4757p | just surprised |
| 15:22.13 | cyborg_ar | jp really likes squashing |
| 15:22.28 | cyborg_ar | all the changes in one commit, all the message in one line |
| 15:22.42 | c4757p | the commit log has been somewhat silent for a couple days, and then I come in to pages of commits |
| 15:22.49 | c4757p | just a surprise- a pleasant one :) |
| 15:22.51 | cyborg_ar | hehe yeah |
| 15:23.13 | cyborg_ar | does a rebase of my and decimad's patches |
| 15:25.16 | c4757p | oh? what patches do you have? |
| 15:26.09 | cyborg_ar | oh the circle one and the silly one to remove demos |
| 15:26.13 | cyborg_ar | nothing interesting, sorry |
| 15:26.28 | c4757p | ah |
| 15:26.41 | cyborg_ar | rebuilds to test |
| 15:26.53 | cyborg_ar | lesee if there are any undo bugs |
| 15:27.16 | cyborg_ar | orsonmmz, this branch should be mostly a no-op right? no changes in undo behavior |
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| 15:28.02 | cyborg_ar | c4757p, now i wonder, does wayne have an email per bundle or per commit |
| 15:28.09 | cyborg_ar | he must have gotten a landslide |
| 15:28.10 | cyborg_ar | haha |
| 15:28.52 | c4757p | lol, yes |
| 15:28.56 | c4757p | it's almost certainly per commit >:) |
| 15:31.19 | cyborg_ar | ha |
| 15:33.26 | decimad | I noticed a slight latency increase in all transatlantic ip routes |
| 15:34.48 | cyborg_ar | some boat dragged an anchor where they shouldnt have |
| 15:34.49 | tom_fig | Is this like your deci senses tingling? |
| 15:35.41 | cyborg_ar | hmmm |
| 15:35.44 | cyborg_ar | compile failure |
| 15:35.48 | decimad | O.O |
| 15:35.52 | cyborg_ar | god damn fucking python api |
| 15:36.04 | cyborg_ar | it keeps stale files that don't compile anymore |
| 15:36.38 | cyborg_ar | when the api changes |
| 15:36.57 | decimad | phew |
| 15:37.07 | decimad | tom_fig deci senses? |
| 15:37.27 | tom_fig | lol, a disturbance in the IP force |
| 15:38.49 | cyborg_ar | it seems like the rules for making the swig stuff are fucked somehow |
| 15:39.04 | cyborg_ar | i routinely get complaints that the pcbnew.py rule gets overriden |
| 15:39.17 | cyborg_ar | and obviously dependency checking is broken |
| 15:39.43 | reportingsjr | cyborg_ar: this is why generated files outside of the build tree are no bueno :( |
| 15:40.07 | cyborg_ar | i don't think it's related to that entirely |
| 15:40.17 | reportingsjr | I've had that issue before at least |
| 15:40.54 | cyborg_ar | i mean you can have shit dependency checking out of tree too, you just have it easier nuking the build folder |
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| 15:43.01 | decimad | haha, orsonmmz|away used "deboostified" :D |
| 15:44.30 | c4757p | :) |
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| 15:46.10 | cyborg_ar | HOLY SHIT |
| 15:46.14 | tom_fig | So you guys are moving away from Boost, eh? |
| 15:46.16 | cyborg_ar | nevermind |
| 15:46.20 | cyborg_ar | i though it fixed it |
| 15:46.35 | reportingsjr | tom_fig: we've been trying |
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| 15:49.02 | tom_fig | It certainly looks easier to read. I hated working with the Boost parser. A lot of it is too meta. |
| 15:50.13 | c4757p | bloody hell https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1544750 |
| 15:50.15 | reportingsjr | nice, congrats on pushing the undo/redo rework orsonmmz|away :) |
| 15:50.33 | c4757p | how do people see bugs like this and not realize what a fucking stupid idea our Python "API" is |
| 15:53.06 | tom_fig | What would the alternative be? |
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| 15:54.17 | kyranf | hey guys, is it okay to run the installer for 4.0.4 without first uninstalling 4.0.2? |
| 15:54.39 | kyranf | the warning popup just says "installing this package will overwrite existing files. do you want to continue?" |
| 15:55.08 | reportingsjr | sounds like a bad idea |
| 15:56.08 | tom_fig | I don't think I've had it make any conflicts |
| 15:58.55 | kyranf | interesting |
| 15:58.59 | kyranf | well i'll try it and see what happens |
| 16:00.06 | c4757p | <tom_fig> What would the alternative be? --- a separate, stable API with an interface layer to the internal one |
| 16:00.13 | c4757p | rather than just exposing the damn internals |
| 16:00.27 | reportingsjr | ajo started on one :P |
| 16:00.32 | c4757p | well, yeah |
| 16:00.37 | c4757p | I've said a thousand times though |
| 16:00.46 | c4757p | what we have now should be considered unacceptable |
| 16:00.51 | c4757p | either have a stable API, or have nothing |
| 16:01.04 | c4757p | I don't know why we have to half-ass everything like that. |
| 16:01.54 | cyborg_ar | the python "api" is a disaster |
| 16:02.17 | cyborg_ar | at least there hasn't been much bitching for keeping it stable |
| 16:02.32 | cyborg_ar | because that would prettty much stall kicad development |
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| 16:03.52 | c4757p | at very least we should choose a set of interfaces that we /do/ consider stable - not the whole thing, but the basics |
| 16:04.18 | reportingsjr | the problem with that is the kicad internals are awful :P |
| 16:04.21 | c4757p | yes, sometimes you wind up really wishing you could change them, but... well, that's how compatibility works |
| 16:05.04 | cyborg_ar | i gave up trying to learn python scripting for kicad because the way it works makes no sense |
| 16:05.34 | c4757p | I often find it easier to write external Python scripts that read the damn board files directly >_< |
| 16:06.02 | cyborg_ar | and there is no documentation on the overall architecture, so the bar for using the python api effectively is basically to read a stack of weirdly formatted C++ files and try to make sense out of them |
| 16:06.09 | cyborg_ar | same |
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| 16:06.27 | c4757p | butbutbut doxygen |
| 16:06.33 | reportingsjr | yep, it is awful |
| 16:06.48 | cyborg_ar | doxygen doesn't help |
| 16:06.53 | cyborg_ar | there are no comments in the code |
| 16:07.09 | c4757p | </s> |
| 16:07.27 | c4757p | people use doxygen all the time thinking it "makes documentation" |
| 16:07.35 | c4757p | ...only if you write documentation for it to extract |
| 16:07.44 | c4757p | otherwise it's just an HTML header prettyprinter |
| 16:07.55 | tom_fig | Even then, I don't want to read that shit just to make something work with a script |
| 16:07.59 | c4757p | and that's absolutely useless |
| 16:08.00 | cyborg_ar | you just have to sit for hours/days all the way down the rabbit hole |
| 16:08.35 | cyborg_ar | better than doxygen using some IDE with good indexing and tag search would help learn kicad |
| 16:08.40 | cyborg_ar | and a pad of paper |
| 16:08.56 | cyborg_ar | all that to write a script to do a search and replace |
| 16:08.58 | cyborg_ar | fuck |
| 16:09.05 | tom_fig | lol, yup |
| 16:09.20 | tom_fig | I did something similar for a component re-orientation script |
| 16:09.58 | cyborg_ar | in the time it takes to do that you can write a script that reads and operates on the board files directly |
| 16:11.34 | cyborg_ar | also i found something extremely retarded (another one) when i was testing cirilo's kicad2mcad tool |
| 16:12.15 | cyborg_ar | kicad puts the offset information in the drill |
| 16:12.15 | cyborg_ar | why the fuck |
| 16:12.15 | cyborg_ar | the drill is always centered in the pad, it's the copper that gets shifted |
| 16:12.37 | cyborg_ar | so smd pads with an offset have a spurious orifice item, and no drill size |
| 16:12.47 | cyborg_ar | so it breaks' cirilo's parser |
| 16:13.29 | kyranf | https://forum.kicad.info/t/platform-to-share-parts-libraries/417/14 |
| 16:13.44 | kyranf | has anyone followed up with SnapEDA? I'm using it right now in my kicad design, and would be handy for this integration |
| 16:14.04 | kyranf | i suppose a python script could actually pull and merge the files |
| 16:22.03 | tom_fig | I don't think that a pay-for service integrated with Kicad jives |
| 16:22.58 | tom_fig | Most of us on here have repos on Github where we store our parts |
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| 16:25.25 | decimad | Everything would be much simpler with pybind et.al. Because there you look at the the source and you know exactly what is exported |
| 16:26.03 | decimad | Not some funky generated stuff there is no documentation for |
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| 16:33.13 | cyborg_ar | https://github.com/pybind/pybind11 ooh |
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| 16:54.54 | kyranf | tom_fig, it's not a pay-for service though |
| 16:55.09 | kyranf | you COULD pay, if you wanted the special stuff, but it's otherwise free, and quite reasonable |
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| 16:55.42 | kyranf | like if there's a footprint/symbol missing and you are lazy you can commission them to make it for you on demand |
| 16:56.01 | kyranf | but if there is whatever you need already available, then it's free and easy to export for KiCAD |
| 17:04.07 | cyborg_ar | yay i made a class for doing IPC style interval arithmetic for footprint calculators |
| 17:04.57 | cyborg_ar | https://gist.github.com/iromero91/9b8de37f20ba1a09475d221c1caa04d8 |
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| 17:37.26 | alphaferret | fuck i think i had my first bhut jolokia by accident |
| 17:39.31 | MrCircuitMatt | if you're uncertaint just wait a little more |
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| 18:13.02 | cyborg_ar | http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/taiyo-yuden/PMK432C6477MM-T/587-4367-1-ND/5405564 |
| 18:13.04 | cyborg_ar | dang |
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| 18:28.25 | reportingsjr | cyborg_ar: 2.5v :P |
| 18:29.38 | reportingsjr | and at 2.5v is is 2/3rds of it's full capactiance. Which isn't too bad compared to some others. |
| 18:29.41 | cyborg_ar | useful for those 1.8v core chips |
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| 18:31.03 | reportingsjr | true |
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| 18:47.06 | c4757p | yeah, that's still a /very/ impressive capacitor. |
| 18:47.41 | c4757p | if I needed that much bulk capacitance it would have been quite good for most of the high-speed logic on my motherboard, actually |
| 18:47.45 | c4757p | most of that is 1.2 or 1.5V |
| 18:48.12 | alphaferret | snooze, call me when they make a 1F |
| 18:48.34 | c4757p | I'd like to see your application for that ;) |
| 18:48.44 | alphaferret | it's all Roswell crash tech anyways |
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| 18:55.48 | TD-Linux | one warning about those insane multilayer capacitors is that they are really fragile |
| 18:55.52 | TD-Linux | make sure your board can never twist |
| 18:56.20 | TD-Linux | only had experience with 250V ones, but e.g. force from wires to board can make them explode quite impressively |
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| 19:55.45 | cyborg_ar | lol holy shit |
| 19:55.54 | decimad | what was up here? |
| 19:56.10 | cyborg_ar | [Global notice] We've put a cloth over the self-destruct button so that nobody pushes it again. |
| 19:56.46 | decimad | bofh! |
| 19:57.12 | cyborg_ar | the cat's gonna sit on it now instead |
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| 20:18.23 | nickoe | xzcvczx: There are still issues with swig |
| 20:18.30 | nickoe | http://ci.kicad-pcb.org/job/osx-kicad-clang-head/13/console |
| 20:20.04 | nickoe | Isn'y your script supposed to brew install the deps? |
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| 21:23.45 | Plugh | I saw a reference to an Eagle to Kicad ULP. Is a ULP some sort of add-on/plug-in/extension for Eagle? |
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| 21:29.07 | x29a | hi there, i designed a board that drives solenoids but noticed the tracks are too narrow for the power i want to switch. in order to change all track widths i defined a new set in design rules but where is the "edit all tracks and vias" option mentioned here (https://forum.kicad.info/t/changing-design-rules-does-not-change-existing-tracks/1915/5)? |
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| 21:30.01 | x29a | also, i calculated i need about 2mm @ 35um for 6A, but how big should the vias be? |
| 21:32.21 | kakimir | x29a: Saturn PCB Toolkit |
| 21:33.17 | x29a | ah thx |
| 21:34.20 | Plugh | hm.. .some digging seems to indicate .ulp is for Eagle. :P I'm looking for an Eagle to Kicad path that doesn't require Eagle. |
| 21:34.41 | kakimir | it's some macro stuff Plugh |
| 21:34.42 | cyborg_ar | rule of thumb is 2 vias per amp, so you need like 12 |
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| 21:37.56 | kakimir | saturn is cool enought to provide even wine compatible executables |
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| 21:38.11 | x29a | cyborg_ar: vias of which diameter and coating thickness? |
| 21:38.33 | x29a | the default of 0,6/0,4? |
| 21:38.35 | cyborg_ar | vias of cheap pcb |
| 21:38.47 | cyborg_ar | but yeah use a calculator if you have it |
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| 21:41.11 | kakimir | and always add third to what is concidered enought for a good measure? |
| 21:42.09 | cyborg_ar | add whatever you think you can get away with |
| 21:43.29 | cyborg_ar | for power traces whatever the calculator says could be taken as a minimum, adding more usually does not hurt |
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| 21:46.01 | Plugh | kakimir: ok. I will have a look at it and see if I could make use of it or convert it in to something I could use. |
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| 22:08.54 | cirilo | quiet today |
| 22:09.39 | cirilo | Oh - do we still have 4-char limits on pin names? |
| 22:10.14 | c4757p | yes |
| 22:10.20 | c4757p | well, numbers |
| 22:10.24 | c4757p | :P |
| 22:10.32 | xzcvczx | name != number you bostonian muppet |
| 22:11.06 | decimad | I suspect getting drc right would be hell with any amount of curves around... |
| 22:11.33 | xzcvczx | nickoe: hmmmm maube its that swig isn't in /usr/local as i don't need to specify the fir |
| 22:11.36 | xzcvczx | dir |
| 22:12.23 | decimad | approximating splines with arc-strips would probably quickly explode in data hell |
| 22:12.24 | xzcvczx | try adding "-DSWIG_DIR=$(brew --prefix swig)" to KICAD_SETTINGS |
| 22:12.49 | xzcvczx | decimad: well curves exist in length matching anyways :P |
| 22:13.08 | decimad | aren't that 90° arcs? |
| 22:13.34 | xzcvczx | doesn't mean there aren't still curves |
| 22:13.42 | decimad | but arcs don't count ;) |
| 22:13.50 | xzcvczx | you're an arc |
| 22:13.51 | cirilo | c4757p, I presume alpha and num? If it were only numbers then I could have argwyllian1234 |
| 22:14.42 | xzcvczx | he was referring to "Pin Number" field |
| 22:14.47 | xzcvczx | hes just not very articulate |
| 22:14.51 | cirilo | ah, OK |
| 22:15.31 | decimad | we need to ask twl if he's gonna update push&shove for splines ;) |
| 22:15.49 | c4757p | cirilo: yes, but we call them "numbers" |
| 22:15.57 | c4757p | kicad terminology :) |
| 22:15.58 | cirilo | funny .. even in the Bad Old Days I always called them "Pin Names" .. mebbe because some discretes had DSG, BCE etc and not 123. |
| 22:16.09 | xzcvczx | thinks length-matching differentials should be next :P |
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| 22:16.40 | cirilo | AA, A1 etc are not numbers though. Naughty kicad. |
| 22:17.18 | c4757p | cirilo: speaking of calling them pad numbers |
| 22:17.23 | xzcvczx | cirilo: just because c4757p wasn't able to go to school to learn his numbers nad letters doesn't mean you should be mean to him |
| 22:17.28 | c4757p | if you don't, you /really/ do not want to know where the 4 character limit comes from |
| 22:17.52 | xzcvczx | c4757p: are they using atm machine input verification code? |
| 22:18.15 | c4757p | huh? |
| 22:18.51 | xzcvczx | gives up |
| 22:19.36 | xzcvczx | anyone want to chip in getting c4757p an enrolment to an english class? |
| 22:19.39 | decimad | where does the limit come from? |
| 22:20.04 | c4757p | https://misc.c4757p.com/pastes/XdXKub1qiIVl.txt -> I'll let you imagine the rest |
| 22:20.37 | decimad | lol |
| 22:21.02 | c4757p | it seems poor Dick has never heard of string interning |
| 22:21.55 | xzcvczx | awww how cute..... he even uses a Z instead of an S |
| 22:23.06 | decimad | I wonder where that "performance" is even needed |
| 22:23.28 | cirilo | WTF .. now I feel like going all Oedipus and ripping out my eyes .. without doing all the fun Oedipus things. |
| 22:23.55 | c4757p | raises several eyebrows |
| 22:26.46 | decimad | ewww, imagining that is just... ewww! |
| 22:27.42 | cirilo | only Dick can take a representation of 2^32-1 discrete states and turn it into only about 1.7M. |
| 22:28.06 | cirilo | don't blame me - blame the ancient Greeks. |
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| 22:30.59 | c4757p | tbh, 1) I can see it being a performance issue, pad compares may be done quite a lot |
| 22:31.16 | c4757p | 2) it should be fairly trivial to replace that with an interned string implementation and pointer compare. I may look into doing that if I can find time. |
| 22:31.24 | c4757p | that way we could remove the four-character limit |
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| 22:32.01 | xzcvczx | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8vC0h7bzQk <----- lol, i would vote for him before i voted for trump |
| 22:33.14 | cirilo | it's a challenge; after all typical hashes are what - 16 bytes? |
| 22:33.14 | c4757p | I would sooner vote for a literal rhinoceros than Trump |
| 22:33.32 | c4757p | cirilo: use a container storing only unique strings, and just use the pointer to the string |
| 22:33.35 | c4757p | as the hash |
| 22:33.48 | c4757p | pointer compares will be at the native word size on both 32 and 64 bit, and thus should be very fast |
| 22:34.30 | cirilo | ok - and what happens when someone changes a name and there is a realloc? |
| 22:35.30 | c4757p | well, I was imagining this with another layer of indirection, so the container stores pointers to the strings |
| 22:35.43 | c4757p | which is more or less necessary for arbitrary-length strings anyway |
| 22:35.50 | c4757p | the container itself gets realloced, but not the strings |
| 22:37.17 | cirilo | oh - talk about spacebar heaters - someone is complaining that they like the Legacy track editing where you can press 'backspace' and the previous fixed node is deleted |
| 22:37.31 | c4757p | that's hardly spacebar heaters, that's /useful/ |
| 22:37.34 | c4757p | many of us want that :P |
| 22:37.34 | cirilo | anyone use that sort of editinig much? |
| 22:37.37 | c4757p | YES |
| 22:37.41 | cirilo | ok |
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| 22:37.47 | c4757p | I'll buy whoever implements it a six-pack :P |
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| 22:38.01 | cirilo | wut if it's a teetotaler? |
| 22:38.23 | c4757p | then I'll give him the equivalent money and he can buy whatever boring thing a teetotaler likes ;) |
| 22:38.59 | cirilo | 'k - must run. Probly back later |
| 22:39.05 | c4757p | o/ |
| 22:41.33 | cirilo | if you want to waste a little time, see: https://forum.kicad.info/t/question-about-features-and-versions-of-kicad/3913/15 |
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| 22:56.03 | xzcvczx | lol at op there |
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| 22:59.34 | alphaferret | added a new hidden pin to a component with hidden bus pins that all auto connect but this one doesn't...? |
| 23:04.29 | c4757p | wtf why |
| 23:05.00 | alphaferret | maybe not explaining myself properly |
| 23:05.42 | alphaferret | hidden power pins create net connections automatically, correct? |
| 23:07.31 | c4757p | power input only |
| 23:08.42 | alphaferret | i added a new ground bus pin, already made it power input but no net was created |
| 23:12.02 | decimad | Didn't Tom mention he had a patch for backspace-unfixing in works? |
| 23:12.16 | c4757p | I think so |
| 23:13.10 | decimad | What would be a really good strategy: create 50 accounts at kicad.info, think of 50 stories all around one feature you want, tell those stories! |
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| 23:33.06 | cyborg_ar | lol |
| 23:33.19 | cyborg_ar | well right now in router mode backspace deletes the segment under the cursor |
| 23:33.32 | cyborg_ar | it should really be "undo"... |
| 23:35.19 | Plugh | cirilo: A teatotaller is someone who never drinks alcohol. |
| 23:36.02 | cirilo | Plugh, that's teetotaler - as in teetotalitarian (as many seem to be) |
| 23:36.33 | cirilo | a teatotaller sounds like a redneck who'd vote for Donald Trump |
| 23:39.00 | Plugh | I've only heard it pronounced. I always thought it was supposed to tea as in someone drinking tea instead of alcohol. |
| 23:39.09 | Plugh | supposed to be ... |
| 23:39.53 | cyborg_ar | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAEQvlaZgKY |
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| 23:42.07 | Plugh | For what it was worth I converted the Eagle schematic to Kicad. I should have just redrawn it. I don't like how many people draw schematics in Eagle. |
| 23:43.55 | reportingsjr | Plugh: I think that is the origin of the word |
| 23:44.29 | Plugh | I thought the 'tee' spelling was Americanized. |
| 23:45.00 | cirilo | I've never seen it spelled "tea". |
| 23:45.54 | c4757p | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teetotalism#Etymology |
| 23:46.04 | c4757p | no connection to 'tea' that I can see |
| 23:46.09 | c4757p | just sounds like it |
| 23:46.10 | c4757p | :P |
| 23:47.52 | xzcvczx | my god wikipedia is turning into urban dictionary v2 |
| 23:49.23 | c4757p | reportingsjr: I'm quite starting to like this Rust stuff :) https://github.com/cpavlina/esh/blob/master/esh_rust/src/lib.rs |
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| 23:50.42 | cyborg_ar | i've never seen a schematic i would call beautiful drawn in eagle |
| 23:51.47 | alphaferret | wasn't teatotalitarianism eliminated post WW2? |
| 23:51.57 | c4757p | wut |
| 23:52.43 | cyborg_ar | c4757p, ooooh so much unsafe |
| 23:52.52 | c4757p | yeah, but it's bindings to a C library |
| 23:52.55 | c4757p | that's to be expected :) |
| 23:52.59 | cyborg_ar | i know |
| 23:53.02 | cyborg_ar | being silly |
| 23:53.04 | c4757p | hehe |
| 23:53.18 | cirilo | (nope - can't find any dictionary that claims teetotal is in any way associated with tea) |
| 23:53.32 | cyborg_ar | now if we could solve the halting problem we could bring absolute safety to C |
| 23:53.38 | c4757p | hah |
| 23:53.52 | reportingsjr | c4757p: you're going hog wild with it! |
| 23:54.39 | c4757p | I like it! |
| 23:54.42 | c4757p | :) |
| 23:58.18 | alphaferret | http://www.culinarylore.com/drinks:origin-of-the-word-teetaler |
| 23:59.40 | xzcvczx | c4757p: are your boards shipping via ups? |
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