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| 00:29.46 | magic_ninja_work | seems I'm having issues with kde connect after suspend |
| 00:30.05 | magic_ninja_work | Is there any way to restart it? i tried kdeconnectd and it doesn't seem to be there |
| 00:32.45 | VLMC | magic_ninja_work: logs? |
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| 00:33.33 | magic_ninja_work | I can see my desktop running it, just not my phone. Strange. |
| 00:33.49 | magic_ninja_work | VLMC, I'll have to see if I can recreate it I suppose. |
| 00:33.56 | magic_ninja_work | is there a way to restart the service? |
| 00:35.26 | VLMC | magic_ninja_work: I think it's a daemon and not a service |
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| 00:39.38 | magic_ninja_work | okay, so I've been connected before and it worked fine, but for some reason the phone and this laptop are not seeing each other. My desktop is working fine. |
| 00:39.43 | magic_ninja_work | What logs would I want to look at? |
| 00:39.54 | magic_ninja_work | I've had these two connected and working just fine before. |
| 00:40.15 | VLMC | Check that your machine and the phone is on the same network |
| 00:41.26 | magic_ninja_work | okay they are on hte same network, but for some reason I can't ping my phone |
| 00:43.46 | magic_ninja_work | so they can't ping each other. Very strange. |
| 00:43.53 | VLMC | ah that's a network issue now and not a kdeconnect issue |
| 00:43.58 | magic_ninja_work | yep |
| 00:44.07 | VLMC | reboot your phone |
| 00:44.10 | magic_ninja_work | Kind of weird though given it is on my home wifi. I wonder what changed. |
| 00:44.14 | magic_ninja_work | I just rebooted both devices. |
| 00:44.39 | magic_ninja_work | Can try restarting the router next |
| 00:45.04 | magic_ninja_work | I'm not getting timeouts,though. I'm getting host unreachable. |
| 00:45.30 | VLMC | dhcp? |
| 00:45.44 | magic_ninja_work | brb |
| 00:46.28 | sarnold | any chance it's a security setting on your router to prevent devices from talking to each other? |
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| 00:52.43 | magic_ninja_work | So the router restart did it. |
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| 00:52.51 | magic_ninja_work | My wireless latencies are all over the place. I think it may be time for a new router. |
| 00:53.12 | sarnold | man I've heard this so many times today.. |
| 00:53.21 | magic_ninja_work | We are talking 10 ms to 400ms, 700ms all over the place. |
| 00:53.45 | magic_ninja_work | On both 2.4gHz and 5gHz |
| 00:56.29 | magic_ninja_work | and sarnold were you talking to me? |
| 00:56.57 | sarnold | magic_ninja_work: yeah, more than one person (myself included) wound up rebooting routers because latencies seemed crazy. I didn't do any measurements.. |
| 00:58.17 | magic_ninja_work | well, I know pinging a wireless router that is about 11 feet away with a clear line of sight and roughly the same elevation should shield less than 1ms response. |
| 00:58.39 | magic_ninja_work | perhaps there is some kind of solar interference if it is wide spread. Or perhaps we all just replaced our routers around the same time and it is time for new radios. |
| 01:03.57 | SpeakerToMeat | There's no way to make the task switcher loop between more than 2 windows for an application? |
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| 08:01.19 | mahen | Hi everyone ! Trying to use Activites in Plasma after leaving them for a few years... Some apps are not restored when restarting, like LibreOffice (which is important in my workflow). Any piece of information about this ? |
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| 08:52.20 | morbidmind | Hi, https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=162211 is reported fixed but I hit that again. |
| 08:52.21 | morbidmind | I copied World of Warcraft folder to an external, exfat USB, it took it's time, I saw files in progress, but today when I plugged it to my laptop, there are just empty folders. |
| 08:53.55 | morbidmind | Shall I ask to reopen it? |
| 08:53.55 | morbidmind | I will try to reproduce it when I get home to see if wasn't a one-time problem. Also, if it wasn't just issue that Dolphin thought it finished when all files got to RAM cache and didn't sync to device. |
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| 08:57.56 | xyquadrat-M | MorbidMind: If you can reproduce it, then yes, reopening is fine |
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| 09:04.33 | CarlSchwan | MorbidMind: nooo not this bug again â¹ï¸ |
| 09:05.08 | morbidmind | At least I have a set of data I can share, so will be easier to test ;) |
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| 09:18.52 | JanKusanagi | that happened after using Dolphin's "Safely remove" action? |
| 09:19.43 | JanKusanagi | (or the Eject button in Plasma's Device Notifier widget) |
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| 09:26.24 | morbidmind | <JanKusanagi "that happened after using Dolphi"> No |
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| 09:50.00 | JanKusanagi | so you didn't unmount it properly? |
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| 10:02.11 | morbidmind | <JanKusanagi "so you didn't unmount it properl"> No, didn't think it's still required. I will check it when I come back from work. |
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| 10:07.54 | JanKusanagi | that's just how USB works |
| 10:08.34 | JanKusanagi | you OS can be tuned to use a different "performance mode" that can almost make sure you don't need to unmount properly, but it's still the right thing to do |
| 10:09.06 | JanKusanagi | (plus, if you setup your OS like that, you'll probably be annoyed) |
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| 10:20.43 | Marlocov | How can I kill a process in KDE? |
| 10:21.02 | Marlocov | My phpstorm is stuck and I don't know how to kill it |
| 10:21.11 | Marlocov | It's a snap application |
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| 10:23.39 | JanKusanagi | in Plasma Desktop, ctrl+esc (by default) shows the "System Activity" |
| 10:23.49 | JanKusanagi | you can kill processes from there |
| 10:24.10 | Marlocov | Thx :) |
| 10:24.45 | JanKusanagi | but if the program is sane (that means, no CSD, and being properly managed by Plasma's window manager), clicking the X will result in KWin asking to kill it after a few seconds of it not responding |
| 10:25.09 | Marlocov | I clicked X and nothing happend |
| 10:25.20 | Marlocov | No message nothing |
| 10:25.30 | JanKusanagi | I wouldn't be surprised if the program is not sane, and uses CSD |
| 10:26.31 | Marlocov | What do you mean by Sane? |
| 10:26.43 | JanKusanagi | that it doesn't use CSD, in this case |
| 10:27.07 | JanKusanagi | https://pointieststick.com/2018/12/18/on-headerbars/ |
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| 10:31.17 | Marlocov | Ah okay |
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| 10:35.56 | Marlocov | I'm also using 3 monitors but on my left one there is always a gap on the bottom part like if there were a systembar |
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| 10:50.27 | safinaskar | i just installed wayland kde to my debian stretch |
| 10:50.33 | safinaskar | then i clicked "switch user" from my usual X kde session and switched to wayland kde |
| 10:50.38 | safinaskar | and all fonts start to look bigger |
| 10:50.49 | safinaskar | now they look like i configured hi-dpi |
| 10:51.02 | safinaskar | but i didn't configured it |
| 10:51.12 | safinaskar | "force hi-dpi" in "fonts" in settings is off |
| 10:51.24 | safinaskar | how to get back to normal fonts in wayland? |
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| 12:24.50 | SpeakerToMeat | I guess if I really want this, I'll have to patch my distro's version of kde myself. |
| 12:31.02 | raghukamath | hey guys |
| 12:31.21 | raghukamath | does choqok support mastodon yet? |
| 12:32.41 | CarlSchwan | If you compile from source and use the mastodon branch, yeah |
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| 12:37.33 | raghukamath | CarlSchwan: i checked the branch last commit was from 2017, feels a bit dead, do you know the reason why it was not merged into master? |
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| 12:52.24 | fraxinas | hi guys, i've got an easy question: i need to set QT_IM_MODULE=xim for my Telegram desktop client in order to get dead keys working. i've added this to the KDE menu entry for Telegram. however, telegram automatically starts thanks to a saved session where it's open but then it's missing this environmental, even though i've re-saved the session. how can i make this persist for every restart? |
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| 12:55.01 | CarlSchwan | <raghukamath "Carl Schwan: i checked the branc"> The maintainer don't have a lot of time :( He wanted to release a new version before the end of summer but I think he didn't got the time for it. |
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| 13:12.25 | MayeulC-M | Not sure where to report that. Plasmashell doesn't reap zombie processes. To reproduce: add a system monitor plasmoid in the panel. Left click to launch ksysguard. Close ksysguard, which becomes a zombie process. |
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| 13:25.25 | jaggz | does dolphin have a way to have a panel to view file contents? |
| 13:25.35 | jaggz | I'm browsing a ton of source and seeing the source content quickly would be handy |
| 13:28.43 | fraxinas | yes, the regular "preview" sidebar |
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| 13:31.34 | VLMC | Hey, not a KDE-specific question, but back when I had the GNOME desktop, I was using Evolution for my mail needs. Under KDE, I keep getting errors that it can't unlock the keyring (because, presumably, it used the GNOME keyring with goa). I'm on Manjaro, what should I do? |
| 13:34.28 | jaggz | fraxinas, hrm.. I lost my preview sidebar |
| 13:34.39 | jaggz | been trying to get that to show up |
| 13:34.42 | [Enrico] | VLMC: install seahorse and check if you can unlock the keyring. If you don't remember the password just delete the keyring and create a new empty one |
| 13:34.54 | fraxinas | turn it back on in the "view" menu |
| 13:35.20 | fraxinas | or with F11 |
| 13:35.35 | fraxinas | View -> Sidebar -> Information |
| 13:36.38 | CarlSchwan | VLMC: Do you have gnome-keyring installed? |
| 13:37.41 | VLMC | CarlSchwan: yes, just checked |
| 13:38.15 | fraxinas | has anybody got a clue about my autostart environmental variable issue? |
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| 13:38.36 | fraxinas | (i mean, did i explain it well enough so that it was understandable?) |
| 13:39.12 | CarlSchwan | fraxinas: Maybe check in the system setting autostart to see what is executed at the start |
| 13:39.27 | fraxinas | it's not listed there |
| 13:40.47 | fraxinas | i suppose i could put it there, with the correct ENV and then check what this does |
| 13:40.58 | VLMC | [Enrico]: I just checked Seahorse and I can't see anything wrong. |
| 13:41.08 | VLMC | Evolution still appears to work, it just nags me with all these messages. |
| 13:42.17 | [Enrico] | VLMC: can you discover about what keyring is Evolution complaining about? It should be unlocked, if it is Evolution should not complain about it |
| 13:42.23 | fraxinas | no good |
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| 13:50.32 | fraxinas | okay now it works, apparently the Telegram instance without the environmental set from the saved session "won" and loaded before the autostart one. i quit Telegram, resaved the session and relogged. now it loaded Telegram with the correct env \o/ |
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| 13:57.25 | jaggz | fraxinas, thanks.. looks like I'm going to have to use an ide to get enough ability to preview the stuff |
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| 13:59.51 | fraxinas | i suggest kdevelop or vs code |
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| 14:11.23 | d42 | jaggz: ranger is nice , fzf with preview, or fancy code editor thing indeed :^) |
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| 14:16.59 | VLMC | Thanks for reminding me that kdevelop is a thing |
| 14:18.29 | jaggz | hrm.. "This command requires the Debian -> Windows10 Subsystem" |
| 14:19.12 | jaggz | (That's a joke, for any of you that have seen windows' "ubuntu subsystem" thingy.. which I've not used still.. I do use cygwin in windows) |
| 14:19.26 | VLMC | jaggz: It's not bad tbh |
| 14:19.34 | VLMC | Better than using straight windows lol |
| 14:22.58 | jaggz | VLMC, not having my unix commands is debilitating. I'm sure cmd has come quite far, but there's no way it compares to the unix toolset foundation |
| 14:23.09 | VLMC | jaggz: Learn PowerShell |
| 14:23.12 | VLMC | Worth it, trust me |
| 14:23.30 | jaggz | vlmc, and .. it's a lot nicer to set up my reminders for my family with cron |
| 14:24.01 | jaggz | I now have my little scripts which store the audio volume+mute setting, set it to a volume, play an mp3, and restore the settings |
| 14:24.14 | jaggz | needed for keeping on top of complex family health issues |
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| 14:24.46 | jaggz | medicine reminders for those periods of time. turning over "the patient" .. reminders to the patient or any caregivers around to not forget periodic important tasks |
| 14:25.13 | jaggz | too many things that, if overlooked, are life-threatening.. and configuring those things as various tasks instead of as simple lines in a crontab .. |
| 14:27.25 | VLMC | jaggz: install Medisafe on your phone |
| 14:27.35 | VLMC | Helps with my ADHD meds haha |
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| 14:31.00 | jaggz | VLMC, thanks.. I started looking at that app but had to handle something else |
| 14:31.12 | jaggz | ^^ adhd joke |
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| 14:37.27 | VLMC | heh |
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| 14:39.55 | Richlv | looks like recent konsole has changed the default shortcut (at least in opensuse tumbleweed) to move tabs from shift+ctrl+arrows to ctrl+alt+arrows. anybody with an idea why so? |
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| 14:41.41 | nhayecucwra_kz-M | I feel like a paranoia when the first thought after hearing a useful app is âIs it sell data?â |
| 14:45.49 | VLMC | nhayecucwra_kz-M: That's a good reflex to have |
| 14:45.54 | VLMC | Know the developer's intent\ |
| 14:46.35 | VLMC | Every developer has an intent. For me, here's my real intent when I make free (and often FOSS) software: Grow my portfolio. |
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| 14:47.00 | VLMC | Better portfolio = Better paying job. In the end, it's still a monetary intent lol |
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| 14:50.58 | jaggz | nhayecucwra_kz-M, yeah, all these free ones.. makes you wonder |
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| 14:52.31 | jaggz | I wanted to make an app to help people.. but also need to support it and myself. for ads to be useful it would have to be really popular. |
| 14:53.16 | jaggz | and for a health-related one that could be vital to people's lives, I wouldn't want to require payment |
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| 14:53.49 | jaggz | so, then trying to divide features into ones appropriate for individuals or commercial environments.. sometimes that's easier than other time |
| 14:53.50 | jaggz | s |
| 15:00.01 | jaggz | VLMC, I rarely use my windows box, btw. |
| 15:01.14 | VLMC | Mine's virtualized |
| 15:01.20 | SpeakerToMeat | There's... by chance, no kwin developer here.... is there? |
| 15:01.53 | nhayecucwra_kz-M | Mine waiting for new harddisk |
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| 16:16.35 | forgotten | I cannot get any extra display to function with kde plasma. Every time i plug something in i can see the device in the Displays manager, but when i try to Enable/Apply, i get this in the messages log: https://pastebin.com/C7qyxTJw |
| 16:16.42 | forgotten | any help would be extremely appreciated |
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| 16:21.48 | forgotten | if i switch over to gnome, it works fine. so i know its something specific with KDE |
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| 16:31.46 | VLMC | forgotten: set it manually using xrandr? |
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| 16:47.22 | forgotten | VLMC: yes |
| 16:47.40 | forgotten | VLMC: i tried 4 different displays and xrandr still shows them all, tho disconnected now. |
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| 17:55.09 | AloisJanicek | Hi, is it possible to configure how offten should Discover check for updates? I would like to check every 2 or 3 hours. I looked at /etc/PackageKit and ~/.config/discoverrc and nothing there looked relevant. I am on latest everything , stable Arch, Plasma 5.16.5 KDE Applications 19.08.1 |
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| 18:04.18 | madprops | don't think that was there before |
| 18:04.25 | madprops | not sure if it's a glitch |
| 18:04.52 | madprops | oh wait my desktop is glitched out |
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| 20:15.12 | SpeakerToMeat | Ok... task switcher is working like I wanted it to now... out of its own |
| 20:15.16 | SpeakerToMeat | I'm so done with computers |
| 20:15.19 | SpeakerToMeat | I'm done with everything |
| 20:15.27 | SpeakerToMeat | I'm gonna douse them all in gasoline and light them |
| 20:15.34 | SpeakerToMeat | I did nothing. it just started working |
| 20:16.21 | xyquadrat-M | <SpeakerToMeat "I'm gonna douse them all in gaso"> Good idea |
| 20:16.36 | xyquadrat-M | That's the only way a computer will be bug-free, ever |
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| 20:20.01 | SpeakerToMeat | Is there any way to copy settings between different versions of kde 5? |
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| 20:41.46 | asturm | versions of what? |
| 20:43.09 | SpeakerToMeat | kde |
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