| 00:00.40 | Aristar | Redrield: well GNOME does a lot of weird and nonstandard things. your system could be setting caps lock from ACPI also or something and gnome is somehow overriding it (just a guestimate but i've seen similar things in other stuff) |
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| 00:01.27 | Aristar | like on laptops where Fn key is often controlled via bios for the most part |
| 00:02.13 | Aristar | like sure i could remap it but it won't stop the hardware from detecting it being pressed |
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| 00:02.36 | Aristar | but in your case, there has to be some method of disabling acpi's grabs on the caps lock if that's the case |
| 00:02.45 | Aristar | or whatever it is, maybe acpi is the wrong word |
| 00:03.21 | Aristar | ANYWAY...i forgot what i came here to ask |
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| 00:13.46 | Aristar | but regarding the cursor changing issue from yesterday; I think it's either A: since wayland stuff was added, KDE explicitly sets it's cursor on every app which impacted X11 (strace'ing Konsole showed cursor file loading) B: security concerns with loading cursors in some situations so all window grabs and such fallback to stock x11 cursor? C: any type of gtk integration enabled activates some strange codepaths that make |
| 00:13.46 | Aristar | APP windows do a check for cursor? OR D: perhaps something with KDE_Classic cursor existing makes it fallback? (seems to be same cursor)... or do I need a "default" symlink in /usr/share/icons ? |
| 00:15.17 | Aristar | ...or mime stuff perhaps? there's no default cursor defined anywhere on my system except in sddm, kde, and kde's gtk options (which i've tried setting them all to the same.) |
| 00:16.59 | Aristar | regardless of cursor set, hovering over window titlebar or window borders changes to the ugly stock xorg cursor it seems |
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| 00:17.38 | Aristar | or maybe it's something with using the Oxygen5 widget/decoration style |
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| 00:19.24 | Aristar | ...guess i should first try and reproduce on kde neon and other distros and investigate |
| 00:19.28 | JanKusanagi | I use Oxygen theme for Qt widgets, Plasma theme and Kwin decoration, and I don't have such issues |
| 00:19.37 | Aristar | hmm |
| 00:19.55 | JanKusanagi | Plasma 5.11.2, KF 5.38, Qt 5.9.1 |
| 00:20.43 | Aristar | JanKusanagi: do you have any "default" or "default.[FOO]" symlinks in /usr/share/icons ? (that's where my cursors are) |
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| 00:21.59 | Aristar | i've had tihs issue for as long as i came back to KDE which was like 5.11.0, which i'm now on Plasma5.11.3/KF5.39/QT5.9.2 |
| 00:22.16 | JanKusanagi | not a symlink, but a directory, with index.theme inside |
| 00:22.22 | JanKusanagi | containing just: |
| 00:22.25 | JanKusanagi | [Icon Theme] |
| 00:22.26 | JanKusanagi | Inherits=wonderland |
| 00:22.52 | Aristar | yeah i tried that and i also tried making cursor.theme with same thing as well in the directories which ended up in infinite loop |
| 00:22.59 | Aristar | if the dir only contained a cursor |
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| 00:23.14 | Aristar | hrrmmm |
| 00:23.41 | Aristar | i know my system blocks loading cursors from $HOME but it should allow loading from system dirs |
| 00:24.10 | Aristar | ...could also be something weird with sddm |
| 00:24.22 | Aristar | or even some weird quirk in my old sddm theme |
| 00:25.17 | Aristar | (does upstream KDE still sort of recommend sddm or lightdm now?) |
| 00:25.31 | Aristar | (i did notice some kde greeters for lightdm but i dunno) |
| 00:26.02 | Aristar | noticed my kcm_sddm is still stuck at 5.11.2 whereas the rest of my kcm's are at 5.11.3 |
| 00:26.21 | Aristar | but that's just to configure sddm which works fine |
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| 00:27.40 | Aristar | wonder if gsettings/gio or whaever gnome cruft is here might be also a possible cause of this cursor issue but it's not just in gtk apps, works fine if cursor set to same one but seems global in all of kwin on window frames |
| 00:29.09 | Aristar | ah well, i'll have to fire up some vm's for testing on other distros when i have my workstations running again |
| 00:29.44 | Aristar | (also doesn't seem to be compositor related either) |
| 00:30.40 | Aristar | X/O2/O2ES or off = same thing |
| 00:32.34 | Aristar | speaking of... KDE wiki doesn't list an opengl 3 option for KWIN_COMPOSE - i assume KWIN_COMPOSE=O3 exists now? if so, probably needs updating (but i've also tested unsetting that and setting from system settings) |
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| 00:33.28 | Aristar | wayland results in spectacular nouveau crashes, naturally :) |
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| 00:34.04 | Aristar | and speaking of nouveau, i'm glad the recent QtWebEngine libs have nouveau detection now, though it'd be nice if more things in plasma did |
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| 00:35.29 | Aristar | no multithreaded rendering in nouveau (yet), and has pretty poor vram management |
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| 00:39.22 | JanKusanagi | good to know... launching QtWebEngine here used to be dangerous |
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| 01:13.28 | Aristar | JanKusanagi: yeah, seems qupzilla, falkon, and konqueror (using "webengine" backend) all use that lib which detects nouveau, however i don't know if kde frameworks uses QtWebEngine backend in some of their stuff such as kdepim stuff |
| 01:15.38 | Aristar | JanKusanagi: might only be on most recent ones tho, not sure about <5.9.2, my version here is libqt5-qtwebengine-5.9.2-2.1.x86_64 |
| 01:16.32 | Aristar | (rpm versioning, deb/ubu has different versioning and may have it further split into different packages or included in another) |
| 01:17.26 | Aristar | thuogh unsure about webenginepart-17.08.2-2.1.x86_64 |
| 01:17.39 | Aristar | maybe uses qtwebengine or maybe not, idk |
| 01:18.29 | Aristar | i tihnk kdeparts are plasma 4.x stuff tho to integrate some functionality into other stuff, but i could be wrong |
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| 01:53.28 | JanKusanagi | kparts still exist in Plasma 5 |
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| 03:55.12 | oneforall2 | what file would stop konqueror asking for the username/passwoed qhen using ftp:// ? |
| 03:56.26 | oneforall2 | when I do ftp:/ftp/dite.com it doesn't prompt me for the username/password |
| 03:56.40 | oneforall2 | dite/site |
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| 04:02.05 | oneforall2 | weird I had to do ftp://username:password@ftp.site.com hiw do I get it to have the dialog again ? |
| 04:03.28 | thiago | so you used the site once, typed the password, and no you don't need to use it |
| 04:03.34 | thiago | correct? |
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| 09:39.50 | oneforall2 | thiago yeah rgar way stores the username/password But I don't want it to I want it back like it used to be type ftp://ftp.site.com and the dialog came up |
| 09:40.02 | oneforall2 | rgar/that |
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| 09:43.22 | oneforall2 | I can get rid of the username/password in filemanagement and the url too . But again no dialog and I see it saying sending login and it sits there for ever |
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| 09:57.50 | younky | Hi, Anyone has the issues of plasma freeze the whole desktop but mouse cursor still works? |
| 09:58.05 | younky | I had encountered the problem several times in these days. |
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| 09:58.50 | younky | for example I launch an application from konsole, then suddenly the whole desktop hang, but the cursor still work, not just movalbe, but also change the shape depends on where it moves |
| 09:59.06 | younky | I am on nvidia card |
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| 10:02.13 | hateball | younky: nouveau or blob? |
| 10:02.26 | hateball | younky: anything in ~/.xsession-errors ? |
| 10:02.31 | younky | nvidia driver, not nouveau |
| 10:02.36 | younky | on X 11 |
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| 10:03.15 | younky | hateball: no errors on .xsession-errors |
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| 10:05.52 | hateball | younky: what plasma version? |
| 10:06.02 | hateball | I havent had a freeze on my nvidia in... years |
| 10:06.10 | hateball | got more issues on my intel machine |
| 10:06.44 | younky | 5.11.3 |
| 10:06.59 | younky | I think this may related to opengl |
| 10:07.40 | younky | for example, in konsole with sudo /opt/vscode/code |
| 10:07.45 | younky | it freeze the whole desktop |
| 10:08.20 | younky | also sometimes I launch krita, after create a new document, and use mouse to draw something, it freeze the whole desktop except the mouse |
| 10:08.23 | Blizzz | is it possible to not have notification popups, just a decently changed icon in the tray? |
| 10:08.48 | Blizzz | (not taskbar) |
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| 10:23.29 | hateball | younky: tried changing compositing settings? opengl 2 vs 3.1 etc |
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| 13:03.24 | BluesKaj | Hiyas all |
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| 13:59.44 | pie_ | any idea where i can find the source code for the kde file picker dialog? i want to replicate the icon size slider, the one at the top right https://imgur.com/a/TNCqv |
| 13:59.54 | HorusHorrendus | Akademy 2018 - Vienna, Austria - Saturday 11th to Friday 17th August 2018 - https://dot.kde.org/2017/11/17/akademy-2018-vienna-austria-11-17-august and https://akademy.kde.org/2018/ |
| 13:59.58 | pie_ | not the look but the behaviour |
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| 15:29.50 | physkets | Hi! This is a little issue I'm seeing with KMail: |
| 15:30.24 | physkets | When there are messages that are pure HTML with no plaintext parts, KMail displays such a message: |
| 15:30.36 | physkets | "Note: This is an HTML message. For security reasons, only the raw HTML code is shown. If you trust the sender of this message then you can activate formatted HTML display for this message by clicking here." |
| 15:31.03 | physkets | It says that, but it does not show any raw HTML code. |
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| 18:41.29 | pepo | pie_, https://cgit.kde.org/kio.git/tree/src/filewidgets/kfilewidget.cpp (grep for iconSizeSlider) |
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| 18:48.57 | pie_ | ah yeah, i managed to find it meanwhile! sorry i forgot to say so |
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| 18:49.09 | pie_ | took a bit of searching though :P |
| 18:49.25 | pie_ | apparently kde libraries are at 4.x even though plasma is called 5? |
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| 18:49.57 | konrados | Hi. In short, I right - clicked the "task bar", i.e. the "panel", and clicked panel options -> remove this panel. So the "panel" disappeared, so I right-clicked on the desktop and then add panel -> default panel. I hoped to get my old panel but it didn't work like that :( |
| 18:50.22 | konrados | How to restore my "panel" or "task bar" however it is called? |
| 18:51.18 | konrados | BTW, should I ask here or on #ubuntu? |
| 18:51.25 | konrados | I hope it's here :P |
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| 18:57.48 | maldoinc | Q: Why do kde repositories not use .gitignore? Any particular reason? |
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| 19:30.36 | JanKusanagi | pie_: current KDE Frameworks is 5.40, and current Plasma is 5.11.x |
| 19:30.50 | pie_ | huh. |
| 19:31.45 | JanKusanagi | kdelibs 4.x were used in Plasma 4.x, and based on Qt 4.x |
| 19:31.59 | JanKusanagi | 4's go with 4's, 5's with 5's =) |
| 19:32.49 | JanKusanagi | konrados: you can add a "default panel" |
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| 19:49.51 | pie_ | JanKusanagi, well thats what i originally figured but managed to confuse myself down the line when for some reason i wasnt able to find kde 5 libs:P |
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| 20:02.29 | konrados | JanKusanagi, thanks, but... I just did it. I want my old panel back :P |
| 20:04.47 | JanKusanagi | there's no "kde 5", that's why |
| 20:05.18 | JanKusanagi | there are "KDE Frameworks", there's "Plasma", and there are "KDE Applications", all versioned differently and released independently |
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