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| 00:05.01 | ultrixx | hi! is kmail a qt 4 application? |
| 00:05.14 | genstorm | in the past yes |
| 00:05.20 | genstorm | in the present qt5 |
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| 00:06.14 | ultrixx | thanks |
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| 00:17.48 | ultrixx | oh no - gmail rejects kmail as an "insecure app" |
| 00:18.02 | genstorm | works for me |
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| 00:26.25 | canllaith | I'm using it with gmail - do yo have the right server settings? |
| 00:27.34 | canllaith | I did find kmail didn't have the right ports automatically for me. |
| 00:27.35 | canllaith | https://www.spark.co.nz/help/internet-email/getstarted/setup-gmail-on-your-mobile-or-computer/ |
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| 00:32.30 | ultrixx | canllaith: you are right! now it works thank yo |
| 00:32.32 | ultrixx | u |
| 00:33.19 | canllaith | :) |
| 00:33.51 | ultrixx | the automatic configuration chose the wrong settings |
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| 06:45.31 | Mayzie | Seems whatever's in 5.28.0 broke my Plasma session :-( |
| 06:50.59 | einar77 | Mayzie: wallpaper handling? |
| 06:51.18 | Mayzie | No, the Panel's frozen. |
| 06:51.41 | Mayzie | And the process `plasmashell --shut-up` has 80% CPU usage. |
| 06:51.54 | Mayzie | And `kactivitymanagerd start-deamon`, 20% CPU usage. |
| 06:52.55 | Mayzie | I don't even know where to begin to debug. |
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| 06:54.07 | einar77 | Mayzie: did you try restarting plasma? |
| 06:54.29 | Mayzie | Yup. |
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| 06:56.20 | einar77 | Mayzie: including your whole session? |
| 06:56.46 | Mayzie | Yup. |
| 06:56.53 | einar77 | Mayzie: first I would suggest to kill plasma and start it from the terminal, the output is super noisy but there might be some clues |
| 06:57.02 | Mayzie | What was upgraded: https://bpaste.net/show/b1a8d00b0b09 |
| 06:57.14 | Mayzie | Anything from that list that sticks out that I could revert to see if that was the issue? |
| 06:57.41 | Mayzie | einar77: Yeah I tried that (kstart plasmashell), but it did not produce much output. |
| 06:57.45 | einar77 | Mayzie: there's a known regression with kpackage that has been fixed (but requires a recompile of plasma-workspace), but from your description doesn't look like it |
| 06:57.53 | Mayzie | Run it without the `kstart` part? |
| 06:58.15 | einar77 | try without kstart, if not, fire up "kdebugsettings" and enable debug for plasma |
| 06:58.32 | Mayzie | You mentioning that reminded me that I turned off all that. Thanks. |
| 06:59.06 | Mayzie | Hmm, seems like it has all been enabled again |
| 06:59.50 | Mayzie | einar77: How can I get more verbose output? |
| 06:59.52 | Mayzie | -v? |
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| 07:03.31 | einar77 | Mayzie: technicallly kdebugsettings, but it sets environment variables, it may require a restart / rerun |
| 07:04.04 | Mayzie | I enabled everything and restarted -- shows the exact same output as before. |
| 07:04.24 | Mayzie | Unless you mean restarting my session? |
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| 07:09.00 | Mayzie | brb restarting session |
| 07:11.42 | Anatzum | In the new 5.8 release, they added the use of the meta key by itself to open the menu launcher. Is there a config file somewhere so I can edit it since it is not shown in the shortcuts app. I have removed the default shortcut to open the menu and that temporarily removes it but does not save on next restart. any ideas? |
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| 07:12.20 | Mayzie | einar77: Nope, no difference. |
| 07:13.21 | einar77 | Mayzie: attaching gdb and grabbing a backtrace, perhaps, would find where it's stuck |
| 07:14.13 | einar77 | run plasmahsell, then gdb -p `pidof plasmashell` followed by "bt" inside gdb (would help to have the debug packages at hand) |
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| 07:14.58 | Mayzie | My distro (Arch) doesn't ship debug symbols, so it |
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| 07:15.01 | Mayzie | it'd kinda be useless. |
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| 07:20.20 | Mayzie | Stuff it, I'm just gonna revert. |
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| 07:30.20 | Mayzie | Reverted to 5.27, issue is still happening :-/ |
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| 07:31.28 | Mayzie | Need to go back in time more |
| 07:32.08 | Mayzie | Oh, no, my bad |
| 07:32.10 | Mayzie | It's working again |
| 07:32.50 | Mayzie | Just had a little freeze on login that I've never experienced before the upgrade today. |
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| 11:57.49 | nella | hi all |
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| 13:01.57 | alaa_ | Hello |
| 13:02.35 | alaa_ | I have a problem with kde neon and I am hoping someone can help me with. |
| 13:02.52 | alaa_ | How can I change the "system" font ? |
| 13:03.57 | rdieter | alaa_: what do you mean by "system" exactly? |
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| 13:04.34 | rdieter | assuming you're not meaning user fonts in systemsettings->font->fonts |
| 13:05.07 | alaa_ | I changed the fonts in the system settings but some applications still use noto sans,...when I see screenfetch it says that the font is noto |
| 13:05.58 | alaa_ | So I changed them to ubuntu but screenfetch says that they are actually noto sans |
| 13:06.00 | rdieter | alaa_: ok, so "some applications" are which ones? |
| 13:06.11 | rdieter | guesses these are not qt/kde apps |
| 13:06.28 | alaa_ | like android studio |
| 13:06.39 | rdieter | you may be out of luck there |
| 13:07.01 | alaa_ | I know android studio has its own settings and fonts I changed them but they dont apply |
| 13:07.03 | rdieter | there's integration with gtk-based apps at least to for consistent theming. other toolkits lack that |
| 13:07.32 | rdieter | alaa_: if android studio doesn't work as expected, I'd suggest you contact them about it (it's not a kde issue most likely) |
| 13:09.43 | alaa_ | oh,...so I changed the GTK application style ubuntu and now screenfetch and android studio are getting the ubuntu font. |
| 13:09.51 | alaa_ | that solved the problem |
| 13:10.04 | alaa_ | thanks alot :) folks |
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| 14:06.48 | weabot | hi, is there a way to disable history/autocomplete in krunner? |
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| 14:14.08 | rdieter | weabot: as far as I can tell, there's only a "clear history" button, but no way to fully disable it |
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| 14:14.21 | weabot | aw alright |
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| 14:52.09 | BluesKaj | Hiyas all |
| 14:52.27 | linux_g10 | SUP |
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| 15:47.43 | doyle | Hey. I've lost the task bar. How can I get it back? Add panel, default panel does nothing. |
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| 15:49.41 | BluesKaj | doyle, right clicking on the desktop doesn't show add panel or...? |
| 15:49.55 | doyle | Yep, it shows add panel |
| 15:52.41 | BluesKaj | does it work? |
| 15:55.17 | doyle | add panel, default panel does nothing |
| 15:55.19 | doyle | I can click it |
| 15:55.21 | doyle | but nothing |
| 15:55.41 | doyle | I can add pieces, like the tray, but they appear very large |
| 15:56.02 | doyle | I moved .kde to .kde.old and re logged |
| 15:56.04 | doyle | nothing |
| 15:57.03 | BluesKaj | install plasma-workspace |
| 15:57.23 | BluesKaj | or reinstall |
| 15:57.53 | genstorm | doyle: plasma does not use the .kde dir anymore |
| 15:58.12 | doyle | ah, what's the new one? |
| 15:58.37 | genstorm | doyle: .config, together with plenty other packages |
| 15:58.48 | genstorm | so be aware that removing this will reset all kinds of other stuff |
| 15:59.13 | genstorm | and don't do any of such operations from within your running session |
| 15:59.30 | doyle | Fresh install. The task bar vanished after setting up external monitors |
| 15:59.38 | genstorm | plasma version? |
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| 16:02.08 | doyle | 5.8.1 |
| 16:02.31 | genstorm | meh, nothing newer available? |
| 16:02.39 | genstorm | ideally 5.8.4 with several backports |
| 16:02.44 | genstorm | *5.8.3 |
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| 16:16.15 | doyle | I'll try to get 5.8.3 or better going |
| 16:16.53 | genstorm | doyle: as said, 5.8.3 needs several backports from .4 to really make a difference |
| 16:17.06 | genstorm | but that is going to be released only tomorrow |
| 16:17.28 | genstorm | I've seen very positive reports from multiscreen users |
| 16:17.31 | doyle | For the f25 release? |
| 16:17.38 | genstorm | no idea about fedora |
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| 16:17.50 | doyle | Well, f25 goes GA tomorrow also |
| 16:17.54 | genstorm | speaking of Plasma release |
| 16:17.55 | doyle | thought it might be related |
| 16:18.25 | genstorm | and then your version of Qt matters |
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| 16:19.17 | gryffus | Hello, recently my kontact and kmail started crashing. First it crashed right when i selected a particular e-mail, but now it crashes instantly after init - the mail on which it crashed is selected on the startup. Is there anything i can do to get to my emails again? |
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| 16:21.57 | gryffus | Akonadi console crashes also, when i try to select that mail in akonadi console browser |
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| 16:30.53 | gryffus | This is error i get in console: [1121/173026:FATAL:scoped_file.cc(29)] Check failed: 0 == IGNORE_EINTR(close(fd)). : Bad file descriptor |
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| 17:33.45 | nemysis | hello how to delete from KAddressBook aconadi_vcard_resource_0? Right click not delete, I not wish this to see. I use only addressbook.vcf |
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| 18:06.59 | edgy | Hi, I am trying use this rating in dolphin, when I click a pdf and rate it, F5, and there is no rating, what's wrong? |
| 18:11.44 | FLHerne | edgy: You need to have Baloo installed (it shouldn't let you poke the rating if not, IIRC), and the filesystem the PDF is on has to support xattrs |
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| 18:12.41 | FLHerne | (I assume you're using something recent-ish and this isn't a Nepomuk issue) |
| 18:12.43 | edgy | FLHerne: I have baloo installed and running as verified by balooctl and the fs is ext4 which I guess supports xattrs |
| 18:14.12 | FLHerne | edgy: Do tags/comments work? I'd assume not |
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| 18:19.02 | edgy | FLHerne: strangely enough, I tried other pdf's and rating works but only this pdf, it doesn't, does this make any sense to you? |
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| 18:23.30 | FLHerne | Not really |
| 18:23.37 | FLHerne | It's not a symlink or something? |
| 18:24.11 | FLHerne | Some weird name? I've noticed Dolphin gets very upset about doublequotes in filenames |
| 18:24.12 | edgy | FLHerne: no, but it's a 91M pdf which is a scan. |
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| 18:24.55 | edgy | FLHerne: I renamed the file to a.pdf but still same problem |
| 18:25.19 | edgy | FLHerne: moved it to other folders or filesystems but no use |
| 18:25.22 | FLHerne | Hm, there is a limit on the number of xattrs and on their total combined size |
| 18:25.37 | edgy | FLHerne: can I do this from cli? |
| 18:25.48 | FLHerne | Perhaps your scanner sets creation-date, paper-size, whatever as xattrs for some reason? |
| 18:27.51 | FLHerne | Can't find a CLI interface |
| 18:28.01 | FLHerne | getfattr -d <file> will list existing xattrs |
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| 18:29.37 | FLHerne | Since there doesn't seem to be anything special about them, you could probably set them with setfattr by copying the syntax from other files |
| 18:30.16 | FLHerne | user.baloo.rating="6" seems straightforward, except that it's twice the number of stars displayed in Dolphin |
| 18:32.08 | genstorm | FLHerne: "6" may translate to 3 stars and "7" would be 3.5... |
| 18:32.25 | genstorm | but I can only guess |
| 18:32.26 | FLHerne | genstorm: I assume so, but the interface doesn't allow setting half-stars |
| 18:32.33 | FLHerne | I wonder if it can display them |
| 18:32.41 | genstorm | iirc it could |
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| 18:32.54 | edgy | FLHerne: getfattr -d a.pdf shows no result at all |
| 18:33.47 | FLHerne | It can |
| 18:33.54 | FLHerne | -> afk for a bit |
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| 18:35.32 | edgy | FLHerne: Oops! It's my fault sorry for that |
| 18:35.45 | edgy | FLHerne: the file has 444 permissions ;) |
| 18:37.57 | edgy | but I only manage to figure it out after trying setfattr which clearly states permission denied. dolphin should have saved FLHerne the precious time, feel free to file a bug ;) |
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| 18:39.24 | karolherbst | is konqueror the qtwebkig based webbrowser for plasma5 or was there something else as well? |
| 18:40.03 | genstorm | karolherbst: it is the only browser in kde applications |
| 18:40.06 | karolherbst | or qtwebengine |
| 18:40.23 | karolherbst | genstorm: yeah well, I try to reproduce those nouveau issues with plasma5, but currently I fail pretty hard doing that |
| 18:41.55 | demm | karolherbst: from 16.12 on konqueror is qtwebengine based |
| 18:42.17 | karolherbst | demm: k, thanks and I guess that should crash nouveau if I disable the nouveau detection bits |
| 18:42.27 | demm | yes |
| 18:43.04 | genstorm | karolherbst: 16.12 branch is available in kde overlay ;) |
| 18:43.08 | karolherbst | yeah, saw it |
| 18:43.55 | karolherbst | now how was that env variable called again :( |
| 18:44.03 | karolherbst | QT_WEBENGINE_DISABLE_NOUVEAU_WORKAROUND |
| 18:45.09 | karolherbst | okay, now the last bit: kwin |
| 18:45.57 | karolherbst | kwin 5.8 fails to use the nouveau opengl stuff, is there a flag as well? |
| 18:46.42 | genstorm | oh nice, konqueror insta-crashes on page load :) |
| 18:46.48 | genstorm | rebuilds |
| 18:46.58 | karolherbst | with the GLX backend enabled, I get a "No provider of glXBindTexImageEXT found." |
| 18:47.07 | karolherbst | allthough glxinfo lists GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap |
| 18:47.17 | edgy | karolherbst: isn't qupzilla much better than knoqueror |
| 18:47.32 | genstorm | it is also qtwebengine based |
| 18:47.34 | karolherbst | edgy: I want something that crashes the nouveau driver, I don't care about anything else :O |
| 18:48.07 | edgy | karolherbst: ah! sorry then |
| 18:48.44 | karolherbst | I will ask in the kwin channel about the kwin issue |
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| 18:49.29 | FLHerne | edgy: Qupzilla is a better simple browser |
| 18:50.20 | FLHerne | Konqueror uses KParts, so it's a combined browser/file manager/PDF viewer/text editor/image viewer/ebook reader |
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| 18:50.31 | FLHerne | Which is all very well if you like that sort of thing |
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| 18:55.38 | demm | karolherbst: just an FYI, but this branch (3 commits) used for patching mesa fixes the nouveau/qtwebeingine crashes here https://github.com/imirkin/mesa/commits/locking |
| 18:56.00 | demm | commits from June 4, 6 & 21 |
| 18:56.13 | karolherbst | demm: I am aware of thos |
| 18:56.14 | karolherbst | e |
| 18:56.17 | demm | ok |
| 18:57.10 | karolherbst | those kwin error prints are indeed useless |
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| 20:16.18 | rangergord | Hi. I'm using the latest Neon. How can I move the windows in the taskbar at the bottom, left or right? I'm a bit OCD about having the left-most window be a terminal window. But Neon opens newer windows to the left. Clicking and dragging the Konsole entry to the left doesn't move it like it does on other desktops with taskbars. |
| 20:16.43 | rangergord | I'm also wondering if I can make KDE put new apps to the right |
| 20:16.46 | rangergord | instead of to the left |
| 20:17.01 | rangergord | aka the Windows behavior |
| 20:17.19 | rangergord | well, not just Windows. Everyone else does that way. It's the first time I see it done to the left. |
| 20:17.25 | Sho_ | right-click the task manager, go to settings, switch sorting from alphabetic to e.g. Manual |
| 20:17.41 | Sho_ | it doesn't sort to the left, that's probably just what you interpreted alphabetical sorting as |
| 20:17.49 | rangergord | nice! thanks |
| 20:17.53 | Sho_ | yw |
| 20:18.04 | Sho_ | manual means right-side-append + being able to move with DND |
| 20:18.24 | rangergord | it's this sort of customization that made me want to switch to KDE |
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| 21:18.38 | Zren | Sho_, I've modified taskmanager to see if pressAndHold has fired before allowing a drag. I've gotten annoyed at accidently dragging the launcher into chrome/sublime. |
| 21:19.11 | Sho_ | mhm |
| 21:19.22 | x7C3 | hi all, quick question - any chance i can increase the time that notification popup stays on the screen for? |
| 21:19.51 | Zren | which notification popup x7C3 ? |
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| 21:20.29 | x7C3 | kde plasma app/system notifications |
| 21:20.40 | x7C3 | usually appear @ top-right of screen |
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| 21:21.28 | Zren | the ones that stick around in the notification tray? eg: files moved? |
| 21:22.09 | x7C3 | will try & take a screenshot |
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| 21:23.17 | x7C3 | not the ones in the notification tray widget |
| 21:23.20 | x7C3 | but the actual popup itself |
| 21:27.17 | Zren | x7C3, well, the app (dolphin/irc client/etc) specifies a specific time, or it uses a default (I forget where it's set) |
| 21:27.37 | x7C3 | http://i.imgur.com/Hu9MlSi.png |
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| 21:27.53 | x7C3 | hm, best place to look for that setting? |
| 21:28.31 | Zren | I'm not sure if it's hardcoded or not. |
| 21:28.47 | Zren | But I know where it's set in QML. |
| 21:30.34 | x7C3 | The notification usually disappear before I've had a chance to read them, hence me wanting to increase length :) |
| 21:31.07 | Zren | Well here's where it's set in c++ (default) https://github.com/KDE/plasma-workspace/blob/master/dataengines/notifications/notificationsengine.cpp#L250 |
| 21:31.15 | Zren | but you can edit a plain text qml file here |
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| 21:31.40 | Zren | /usr/share/plasma/plasmoids/org.kde.plasma.notifications/contents/ui/NotificationPopup.qml |
| 21:31.53 | Zren | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:32.26 | Zren | notificationTimer.interval is in milliseconds (1000ms = 1 second) |
| 21:32.56 | Zren | Either just change it to `notificationTimer.interval = notification.expireTimeout * 2` to double the default or do whatever. |
| 21:33.06 | Zren | restart plasmashell for it to take effect. |
| 21:33.36 | Zren | There might be a GUI thing somewhere, but iunno where. |
| 21:33.44 | x7C3 | yeah i can't find it in a GUI :p |
| 21:34.26 | x7C3 | would be useful if it was in system settings -> notifications |
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