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| 00:03.53 | gabriel | hello, is kde system tray able to shows only apps that were executed from a particular virtual desktop? |
| 00:04.02 | gabriel | show* |
| 00:04.31 | gabriel | like the taskbar do? |
| 00:06.23 | gabriel | currently kde system tray shows all the app icons that are running over kde, but I would like to have only icons from apps that were executed in a particular virtual desktop or activity |
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| 00:40.41 | golgi | its been so long since ive used kde. is there a wifi/network tray manager for plasma? |
| 00:41.07 | golgi | i'm trying to un-gnome myself but finding it difficult |
| 00:41.59 | bootkiller | golgi: plamas-mn |
| 00:42.10 | bootkiller | *plasma-nm |
| 00:42.34 | gabriel | it is possible to have different panels per activities? |
| 00:42.41 | gabriel | kde 4.10.5 |
| 00:44.56 | gabriel | it would be amazing useful |
| 00:45.05 | gabriel | if it is not possible yet |
| 00:45.44 | golgi | excellent botkiller, ty |
| 00:45.44 | golgi | stay tuned, I may have more questions :/ |
| 00:45.45 | golgi | ;) |
| 00:46.23 | hid | gabriel: activities are made to do that i think, aren't they? |
| 00:46.47 | gabriel | at least in kde 4.10 i can't do it |
| 00:47.10 | gabriel | only widgets are possible to have in different activities |
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| 00:48.41 | gabriel | on System Settings / Workspace behavior / Virtual Desktops there is the option to have different widgets per desktop |
| 00:48.46 | hid | gabriel: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=249141 |
| 00:49.30 | bootkiller | gabriel: I'm not sure but, I think you can only have different panels on different screens. You can have diferent widgets and layouts on different activities and virtual desktops. |
| 00:50.43 | gabriel | according to the bug report, what I want is still no possible |
| 00:50.54 | gabriel | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=292094 |
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| 01:33.36 | leclair | Hi. I'm running KDE 4.3.4 on CentOS 6.5. |
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| 01:34.03 | leclair | It comes back with 'Failed to activate desktop effects using the given configuration options. Check your X configuration. You may also consider changing advanced options, especially changing the compositing type. |
| 01:34.19 | leclair | I've tried the suggestions but I can't get it to work. I'm not sure what I should be trying next. |
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| 01:34.24 | leclair | any suggestions? |
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| 01:59.57 | atannus | Hi. How do I create the small chrome launcher next to the K icon after I've accidentaly removd it? Startin chrome and "Show icon when not running" places the icon but when I click it KDe asks me to pick an app to run /opt/google/chrome/chrome with... If I pick chrome, it starts chrome to download the binary... |
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| 02:10.46 | Jucato | atannus: in the K Menu, can't you right-click on Chrome and select "Add to Panel"? |
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| 02:57.21 | rdieter | atannus: there's a bug wrt chrome there, follow Jucato's advice |
| 02:58.02 | Jucato | rdieter: yeah i just noticed that bug. I'm guessing it's because of the way chrome sets up the executables/scripts? |
| 02:58.43 | Jucato | oh, /etc/alternatives ... |
| 02:59.48 | Jucato | lol i just tried to follow the path to the exact executable >.< |
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| 03:09.02 | rdieter | Jucato: not sure the cause, but that could be it |
| 03:09.41 | rdieter | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=327948 |
| 03:09.43 | rdieter | that's the one |
| 03:09.45 | Jucato | even if it isn't, all that redirecting is pretty convoluted, though probably necessary >.< |
| 03:10.45 | Jucato | ah |
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| 04:39.34 | mva | hi there! |
| 04:40.47 | mva | how can I describe bug (and which component/product should I use as target for it) if Gwenview and kthumbnails renders FreeBSD SVG logo wrong? |
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| 05:10.46 | moviuro | ok, nvm, found it out :D |
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| 07:08.10 | GlemSom | I KDE 4.12: I have a dual-screen setup. For some reason, when some windows lose focus, they stop to render - which is really a pain in a dual-screen setup. Is there a way to configure this? (KDE with compiz, and latest nvidia drivers) |
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| 07:09.00 | xiaomiao | "compiz" ? |
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| 07:11.54 | GlemSom | xiaomiao, just ment "Desktop effects" though "woobly windows" are not activated, I guess the module is still loaded and such :) |
| 07:13.14 | xiaomiao | ah yes. because compiz is a standalone bit of software that is mostly bitrotting away |
| 07:13.34 | xiaomiao | GlemSom: is there any pattern to where or when windows stop updating? |
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| 07:14.26 | Jucato | since compiz is the one handling such things when you're using it, i'm afraid the problem lies with compiz |
| 07:14.42 | Jucato | oh wait |
| 07:14.56 | Jucato | i guess you meant KWin, just with desktop effects |
| 07:17.27 | xiaomiao | Jucato: yes, "compiz" as general label for effects, not compiz-the-software |
| 07:18.17 | Jucato | (except compiz isn't exactly a word/term other than the name of a software, but yeah I get it) |
| 07:18.49 | GlemSom | xiaomiao, Yes, when they lose focus... like, if I move the mouse to the other screen |
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| 07:20.54 | GlemSom | xiaomiao, for example - use WINE to play a game... move the mouse to the other screen, and the game does not render (though music continues, and the game does too... it's just not shown on screen) |
| 07:21.50 | xiaomiao | intriguing |
| 07:21.57 | Jucato | wine is a special case though.does it happen to any other app? |
| 07:23.00 | GlemSom | Jucato, Yeah, it happens with Google Chrome too. |
| 07:23.58 | Jucato | ok that would be strange indeed. does this only happen if you have desktop effects (not gonna call it compiz :P) enabled? |
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| 07:24.35 | GlemSom | hmm, havent tried that... |
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| 07:25.53 | GlemSom | I did alt+shift+12 to disable all desktop effect, and I still have the same issue |
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| 07:35.16 | Jucato | i suspect it's a driver issue. have you tried asking in your distro if anyone else is experiencing that? |
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| 07:56.37 | workerbeetwo | hi |
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| 07:57.05 | aerofoam_nook | Yo. |
| 07:57.12 | workerbeetwo | can make one screen the primary screen. all apps open by default on the wrong one. |
| 07:57.26 | workerbeetwo | can't. |
| 07:58.06 | workerbeetwo | can anyone help me on this? I tried arandr to setup the screens (hardware) . |
| 07:58.13 | Jucato | have you tried clicking on the star in http://wstaw.org/m/2014/07/23/plasma-desktophE1498.png ? |
| 07:58.14 | aerofoam_nook | Right click the title bar and explore the window settings. |
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| 07:58.57 | aerofoam_nook | Id tell you exactly what to push but my computer got hijacked by a 4 yr old. |
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| 08:01.34 | workerbeetwo | Jucato: thanks. thats it, but the star function seems to be inverted. windows are open on the non-primary screen. |
| 08:02.54 | Jucato | sorry, not exactly sure what's up. i don't have a multi-screen setup |
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| 10:36.22 | josemota | Hi everyone, I - |
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| 10:37.10 | josemota | I'm using KDE 4.13 in Arch and I was wondering how I can install a kde theme / style like this one: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Aeri+?content=162303 |
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| 11:02.30 | latenite | Hi folks, how to I manage TWO batteries on my laptop? for now it suspends when teh SMALER one is empty...and I can not configure which battery triggers a suspend |
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| 11:10.05 | latenite | Anyone in here? I asked this question before...no luck. Can KDE handle 2 batteries with propper power management? |
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| 11:36.59 | tneo | I have re-installed a bunch of software packages and deleted my .kde4 profile, without any luck. Does anybody have a suggestion that I may try? |
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| 12:41.26 | q9 | I asked about getting a login shell with kdesu but nuked myself from irc, so I ask again: What's the kdesu-equivalent of su -l ? |
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| 12:55.48 | rdieter | q9: I don't think there is |
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| 13:07.49 | *** topic/#kde is Support KDE: http://www.kde.org/fundraisers/randameetings2014/ | KDE SC 4.13 is out! See www.kde.org | http://userbase.kde.org | http://forum.kde.org | Don't flood the channel, use http://paste.kde.org | Distro related questions go in your distro channel | Offtopic in #kde-chat | State your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | Don't delete ~/.kde or ~/.kde4 |
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| 13:25.40 | BluesKaj | 'Morning all |
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| 13:42.43 | JackWinter | anyone know if it's kde that constantly tries to start networkmanager on my system via dbus? |
| 13:44.55 | JackWinter | it's installed as a dependency but not in use |
| 13:45.04 | rdieter | JackWinter: I'm not aware NM could be dbus activated, but possible I suppose. that said, as long as you don't have plasma-nm applet active, then the odds are even less. |
| 13:45.33 | rdieter | hrm, though plasma-nm includes a kded module, which may still try to contact NM |
| 13:45.48 | rdieter | I still wouldnt expect it to start NM though |
| 13:46.12 | rdieter | JackWinter: what do you mean by "contstantly tries to start NM" ? |
| 13:46.45 | rdieter | because plasma-nm will indeed try to contact it, if that's what you mean |
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| 13:47.45 | rdieter | (if that's the case, you can manually disable it's kded module or uninstall it as workarounds) |
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| 13:48.53 | JackWinter | my systemd log is filled with attempts to start network manager via dbus, i don't have plasma-nm installed |
| 13:49.21 | JackWinter | rdieter: ^ |
| 13:50.01 | JackWinter | i'm not sure it's kde either, don't really know how to inspect what happens on the dbus bus |
| 13:50.29 | rdieter | dbus-monitor is one tool |
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| 13:51.37 | rdieter | it's likely not kde directly at least. I suspect any app querying online status may trigger it though. depends on what the source(s) are and what the systemd log says exactly |
| 13:52.42 | JackWinter | rdieter: it fills up with stuff like this: |
| 13:52.43 | JackWinter | ul 23 15:26:57 tor dbus[512]: [system] Activating via systemd: service name='org.freedesktop.NetworkManager' unit='dbus-org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.service' |
| 13:52.45 | JackWinter | Jul 23 15:26:57 tor dbus[512]: [system] Activation via systemd failed for unit 'dbus-org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.service': Unit dbus-org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.service failed to load: No such file or directory. |
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| 13:54.49 | JackWinter | hmm, maybe i should remove telepathy since i'm not using it. think that's what pulled in nm |
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| 13:59.37 | rdieter | JackWinter: just run dbus-monitor for awhile, and see |
| 14:00.02 | rdieter | JackWinter: dbus-monitor --system |
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| 14:01.27 | JackWinter | ah, thanks. the option helps abit :) |
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| 17:03.36 | moviuro | I lost my answer to a forum post (saved it and now I don't know where to load it from) |
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| 17:44.59 | kingbeowolf | for some reason my cursor is buggy |
| 17:45.13 | kingbeowolf | it changes into some unrecognizable floating blob |
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| 17:56.07 | rdieter | kingbeowolf: cursor is usually handled via hw-acceleration in video driver, ie, your symptom seems to imply a video driver problem |
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| 17:57.03 | kingbeowolf | My mouse point is fine on 1 screen, but not on the other |
| 17:57.17 | kingbeowolf | I used alt+f2 to launch google chrome and that is when it happened |
| 17:57.29 | kingbeowolf | google chrome is so buggy |
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| 17:59.24 | rdieter | if you're implying it's chrome's fault the cursor went bad, I think blame is misplaced |
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| 18:00.15 | tantan | Can Plasma 5 be tried on Fedora? |
| 18:01.46 | rdieter | tantan: coming along, but not yet http://copr.fedoraproject.org/coprs/dvratil/plasma-5/ says "Almost done..." |
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| 18:03.28 | tantan | rdieter: I have to reinstall my system. So I was thinking either trying Plasma 5 or using Gnome until F21 release. |
| 18:03.57 | tantan | rdieter: For sake of change. |
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| 18:07.31 | rdieter | install both :) |
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| 18:10.08 | tantan | rdieter: I pinged dvratil to ask if that repo is build-able. |
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| 18:14.30 | kingbeowolf | rdieter: how can you verify your guesses |
| 18:15.11 | rdieter | kingbeowolf: it's just based on my experience |
| 18:15.34 | rdieter | you probably could google about xorg hw accel cursors |
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| 18:23.49 | kingbeowolf | doesn't really give me anything useful |
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| 22:11.41 | weirddan455 | hello |
| 22:11.54 | weirddan455 | o |
| 22:12.09 | Sho_ | hi |
| 22:12.10 | Sho_ | i |
| 22:12.24 | weirddan455 | i'm getting crazy CPU and disk read spikes from baloo_file_extracor... what exactly does this thing do for me? |
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| 22:34.52 | acerspyro | weirddan455: disable it. It's shit anyways. |
| 22:35.19 | weirddan455 | acerspyro: how? i have no idea what it does other than slowing down my system |
| 22:35.35 | acerspyro | weirddan455: in your system settings |
| 22:35.45 | acerspyro | Desktop search |
| 22:35.56 | acerspyro | Make a carnage, disable everything you see in there. |
| 22:36.01 | weirddan455 | acerspyro: and every time I extract a large tarball into my HOME it gives a polkit prompt for my root password to increase its file limit or some shit |
| 22:36.19 | acerspyro | Wat the fuck |
| 22:36.25 | acerspyro | That's dumb. |
| 22:36.36 | acerspyro | However, yeah, when I mean everything, it's actually one checkbox. |
| 22:36.42 | acerspyro | Disable file indexing. |
| 22:36.57 | acerspyro | Or, as they call it, desktop search. |
| 22:37.07 | acerspyro | Disable Akonadi, too. It lags. |
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| 22:38.58 | weirddan455 | acerspyro: or it's nepomuk that throws that polkit prompt https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/106748/ |
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| 22:39.25 | acerspyro | weirddan455: Neopmuk has been replaced by Baloo, iirc |
| 22:39.28 | weirddan455 | acerspyro: which i think is kind of tied in with baloo and that desktop search thing... any clue how to disable it? |
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| 22:39.44 | acerspyro | Baloo = Neopmuk |
| 22:39.52 | acerspyro | That post is from 2012. |
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| 22:41.22 | weirddan455 | acerspyro: well i've still be getting the polkit prompt either way... i guess baloo does it too? |
| 22:41.52 | acerspyro | Disable it |
| 22:42.24 | acerspyro | I don't get those prompts cuz I live dangerously. |
| 22:42.31 | acerspyro | Removed my kwallet password. |
| 22:43.17 | weirddan455 | acerspyro: lol does that remove all polkit prompts or what exactly is kwallet? |
| 22:43.45 | acerspyro | kwallet keeps your password and automatically types them in, but it usually has a master password |
| 22:43.51 | acerspyro | You need to set it up first |
| 22:43.59 | acerspyro | Then you'll be asked each password only once |
| 22:44.18 | acerspyro | And ONLY remove your kwallet password if you trust that noone can access your computer |
| 22:44.26 | acerspyro | Otherwise, all those password can be discovered. |
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| 22:47.24 | weirddan455 | acerspyro: i mean... i like to be prompted when a program is trying to make a system wide change lol |
| 22:47.35 | acerspyro | weirddan455: yes |
| 22:47.42 | acerspyro | Anything with a password |
| 22:49.30 | weirddan455 | acerspyro: ok disabled desktop search... that seems to have brought my CPU and disk access way down |
| 22:49.38 | acerspyro | looooool |
| 22:50.13 | weirddan455 | why do they even enable that crap by default? when it noticably slows down a 3.3ghz quad core by constantly maxing 1-2 cores at 100% you know something's wrong... |
| 22:50.22 | acerspyro | weirddan455: because it's KDE |
| 22:50.25 | acerspyro | Welcome to KDE |
| 22:50.32 | acerspyro | Useless crap all around |
| 22:50.40 | acerspyro | And I have no fear saying it in a KDE fan |
| 22:50.42 | acerspyro | channel* |
| 22:50.49 | acerspyro | I used to be a KDE fan, tho. |
| 22:50.54 | weirddan455 | i think the disk access was the biggest problem though... i have LUKS system encryption on a standard HDD |
| 22:51.12 | acerspyro | Till I noticed that extremely obvious bugs weren't getting fixed version over version. |
| 22:54.47 | hid | acerspyro: used to be? you mean kde3? |
| 22:55.24 | acerspyro | hid: I never saw KDE3 |
| 22:55.36 | acerspyro | I started using KDE with KDE 4.8 |
| 22:55.58 | hid | kde3 is faster than lxde |
| 22:56.14 | acerspyro | It doesn't look good |
| 22:56.16 | hid | and the cpu thanks |
| 22:56.29 | hid | you |
| 22:56.33 | acerspyro | I want stability, look, lightness and user-friendliness. |
| 22:57.16 | hid | kde4 has everything you mentioned except lightness |
| 22:57.24 | hid | kde3 has everything you mentioned except look |
| 22:57.28 | acerspyro | No, it's light. |
| 22:57.38 | acerspyro | It's extremely unstable, tho. |
| 22:57.46 | acerspyro | It screws up very easily. |
| 22:57.53 | weirddan455 | i really miss the days of KDE 3 and GNOME 2 |
| 22:57.59 | weirddan455 | i liked both of those desktops |
| 22:58.01 | acerspyro | I miss G2 too |
| 22:58.15 | acerspyro | G3 is horrible. Should not even be part of the GNOME line. |
| 22:58.25 | weirddan455 | yea |
| 22:58.26 | acerspyro | It's not even customizable. |
| 22:58.38 | acerspyro | And it's a OSX wannabe |
| 22:58.52 | weirddan455 | GNOME 3 is even less usable that Windows 8 IMO (though it's kind of close) |
| 22:59.08 | hid | osx is so stable, how do they doooo |
| 22:59.40 | weirddan455 | hid: it's built by a multi-billion dollar company |
| 22:59.58 | acerspyro | hid: lol |
| 23:00.18 | weirddan455 | only thing that bugs me about osx is the damn maximize button only extends the window vertically... doesn't full-scren it like every other desktop |
| 23:00.31 | acerspyro | Good UX designers, Unix kernel, head start with MacintoshOS 1 to 9 (experience) |
| 23:00.34 | hid | i think kde is what reach the most a food OS |
| 23:00.45 | hid | like integration |
| 23:00.51 | hid | good* |
| 23:01.05 | acerspyro | No, when people think Linux, they think Unity |
| 23:01.11 | acerspyro | goes puking for a while |
| 23:01.11 | hid | yea |
| 23:01.19 | hid | Linux/Kde |
| 23:01.24 | hid | Gnu/Linux/Kde |
| 23:01.26 | acerspyro | Fucking Ubuntu, stealing all the pride. I hate it, I hate it! |
| 23:01.30 | acerspyro | keeps puking |
| 23:01.44 | weirddan455 | i used to love Ubuntu back when they used GNOME 2 |
| 23:01.49 | acerspyro | If we keep it like that, it's going to be GNU/Ubuntu ffs |
| 23:01.55 | acerspyro | No |
| 23:02.03 | acerspyro | It's going to be Canonical Ltd. Ubuntu |
| 23:02.36 | acerspyro | Did you know that a LOT of Ubuntu users don't even know who GNU is and that they're running Linux? |
| 23:02.42 | acerspyro | That's just plain horrible. |
| 23:02.45 | weirddan455 | acerspyro: that's not gonna happen... Ubuntu is slowly forking itself away from the standard components every other distro uses |
| 23:03.01 | acerspyro | weirddan455: ik |
| 23:03.08 | weirddan455 | Upstart instead of systemd... Mir instead of Wayland |
| 23:03.20 | acerspyro | Gaaaay |
| 23:03.53 | weirddan455 | and Unity is the only DE that seems to be intentionally made to be non-portable to other distros |
| 23:03.58 | acerspyro | Ubunturd is the black sheep of the Linux line. |
| 23:04.29 | acerspyro | I really shouldn't be calling GNU/hurd GNU/turd. |
| 23:05.02 | weirddan455 | Ubuntu started off good though... they helped a big way in getting Linux to the desktop |
| 23:05.11 | acerspyro | ik |
| 23:05.20 | weirddan455 | Ubuntu used to be just a more up-to-date and easy to install version of Debian |
| 23:05.29 | acerspyro | Yep |
| 23:05.34 | acerspyro | Then it abused. |
| 23:05.46 | acerspyro | "Oh, they're noobs. You know what we do with noobs? Manipulation." |
| 23:06.07 | weirddan455 | I switched from Slackware to Ubuntu and was like... wow everything works and I even have automatic dependency handling to boot! lol |
| 23:06.32 | acerspyro | "Yeah, hm. *chats with business associates, Microsoft, Google and Canonical* Alright, let's add ADs and privacy-intruding add-ons to Unity :D" |
| 23:06.50 | acerspyro | "Oh, yeah, and btw guys, DON'T LET THEM PUT THE BAR TO THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN. DON'T." |
| 23:07.14 | weirddan455 | and then I discovered Arch which has the simplicity of Slackware with IMO the best package manager for Linux |
| 23:07.46 | acerspyro | weirddan455: you know why it is? |
| 23:08.03 | weirddan455 | acerspyro: lol why would Canonical be chatting with Microsoft... their biggest competitor |
| 23:08.06 | acerspyro | It's extremely old. |
| 23:08.14 | acerspyro | weirddan455: They can. |
| 23:08.27 | acerspyro | MS is always open for some business. |
| 23:08.33 | acerspyro | But it's mostly Google. |
| 23:09.11 | weirddan455 | acerspyro: the Unity ad-search contraversy was with Amazon though |
| 23:09.38 | acerspyro | oh, idk, I don't keep myself up-to-date with shit. |
| 23:09.43 | weirddan455 | acerspyro: Google is also a competidor to Canonical... they want in on the mobile market with Ubuntu Touch to compete with Android |
| 23:10.06 | acerspyro | Who doesn't want the mobile market? |
| 23:10.10 | acerspyro | Oh, I know, GNU doesn't. |
| 23:10.28 | weirddan455 | GNU isn't a for-profit company lol |
| 23:10.29 | acerspyro | KDE has Plasma active and E is already cross-compatible by default. |
| 23:10.53 | acerspyro | GNOME? Nothing, haha. |
| 23:11.59 | hid | plasma2 soon.. |
| 23:12.01 | weirddan455 | you really need a whole OS re-write to get into the mobile market |
| 23:12.58 | weirddan455 | sure you can cross-compile a nice looking, touch GUI but you need to have the package manager and underlying tools interact with that |
| 23:13.10 | weirddan455 | otherwise you gotta go plug up a keyboard whenever something breaks |
| 23:15.14 | acerspyro | Or some tool that checks for inconsistencies on the system and fixes them as soon as they appear. |
| 23:15.25 | weirddan455 | and honestly Ubuntu Touch is about all there is in that department |
| 23:16.42 | weirddan455 | I wouldn't mind switching away from Android as soon as it gets a bit more developed so I can use the native GNU tools and run programs without the huge overhead that is Java/Davlik |
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| 23:18.03 | acerspyro | The KDE tablet flopped D: |
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| 23:19.01 | megaTherion | kcalc is broken, 2*(-9) gives me -5 :( |
| 23:19.25 | weirddan455 | acerspyro: i never knew there was a KDE tablet |
| 23:19.38 | acerspyro | weirddan455: there was one |
| 23:19.59 | acerspyro | megaTherion: lol, -18 in Alt + F2 |
| 23:20.20 | acerspyro | Oh, btw, you guys know how many units the quick launch supports? |
| 23:20.25 | acerspyro | About 20. |
| 23:20.33 | acerspyro | The only one it doesn't support are bytes. |
| 23:21.26 | acerspyro | That's like if you built a house but forgot to buy a plot. |
| 23:22.23 | acerspyro | megaTherion: in my kcalc, it's -7 |
| 23:22.31 | megaTherion | which is wrong as well |
| 23:22.34 | acerspyro | yes |
| 23:22.38 | megaTherion | why is that so? |
| 23:22.48 | acerspyro | Why do we both get diff. wrong answers? |
| 23:22.55 | weirddan455 | mine does it right... -18 |
| 23:23.07 | megaTherion | weirddan455: did you compile KDE4 with -O3 too? |
| 23:23.23 | acerspyro | wtf is -O3? |
| 23:23.28 | acerspyro | I didn't compile it at all lol |
| 23:23.34 | megaTherion | tsts |
| 23:24.03 | weirddan455 | i'm just using the KDE packages from the Arch repos |
| 23:24.19 | weirddan455 | megaTherion: you're probably just typing the parenthesis and/or the negative key wrong |
| 23:24.27 | acerspyro | megaTherion: in stats mode, it gives -7 |
| 23:24.33 | acerspyro | in scientific mode, it gives you -5 |
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| 23:25.12 | weirddan455 | megaTherion: if i type 2 X - 9 (using the subtraction minus instead of the positive/negative inverter) I get -5 |
| 23:25.32 | acerspyro | in numeral mode, -7 aswell |
| 23:25.40 | weirddan455 | because it goes 2 X -2 = 4 - 9 = -5 |
| 23:25.54 | acerspyro | -7 in simple mode |
| 23:25.56 | megaTherion | acerspyro: whats your distro? |
| 23:26.00 | acerspyro | opensuse |
| 23:26.08 | megaTherion | hmm |
| 23:26.45 | weirddan455 | mines shows -18 in every mode |
| 23:27.06 | acerspyro | so does my quick launch, -18 |
| 23:27.56 | weirddan455 | hit these buttons in order: 2, X, (, 9, +/-, ), = |
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| 23:28.45 | acerspyro | -288 |
| 23:28.49 | acerspyro | LET'S TRY AGAIN |
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| 23:29.20 | acerspyro | -18 |
| 23:29.43 | weirddan455 | and make sure you're in decimal and degree mode |
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| 23:30.24 | weirddan455 | should say "Dec" and "Deg" |
| 23:32.28 | weirddan455 | in any case compiling with -O3 is usually not recommended unless you just really want to be a Gentoo-Ricer but I doubt that's your problem here :P |
| 23:32.47 | megaTherion | weirddan455: I am a Gentoo-Ricer but in this case it didnt break kcalc, it really was +/- button :| |
| 23:33.22 | weirddan455 | lol Gentoo |
| 23:33.32 | megaTherion | weirddan455: yup, stable since 2006 |
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| 23:33.51 | megaTherion | Arch sadly didnt survive that long |
| 23:33.55 | weirddan455 | megaTherion: same installation? |
| 23:33.56 | megaTherion | yes |
| 23:34.08 | weirddan455 | that's... kind of impressive |
| 23:34.17 | megaTherion | that's Gentoo ;) |
| 23:34.31 | megaTherion | and it survived countless of recompilations, packet manager changes and whatever you can do to your system |
| 23:34.33 | weirddan455 | i'm always reinstalling after like 6 months but that's just because i like a clean system not because i have to |
| 23:34.57 | megaTherion | there is no such "clean system" |
| 23:35.05 | weirddan455 | sure there is |
| 23:35.07 | megaTherion | no |
| 23:35.23 | megaTherion | except the distro is broken, maybe a lot of cruft and so on - Im sure you can get rid off other way than reinstall |
| 23:35.47 | weirddan455 | all config files become system default and those worthless packages you installed and never used go away at the very least |
| 23:36.03 | megaTherion | you can remove them without reinstallation :) |
| 23:36.09 | weirddan455 | yea i know |
| 23:36.32 | weirddan455 | but i can do a full reinstall in like 2-3 hours max... i don't have to recompile everything :P |
| 23:36.47 | megaTherion | yeah but then it wont be customized :( |
| 23:36.55 | megaTherion | and stock stuff is never good enough for me |
| 23:37.28 | weirddan455 | actually i can do an Arch reinstall and be back at the Bash CLI in like 30 minutes... the rest is installed the GUI and whatnot (especially if I do KDE with its large download) |
| 23:38.03 | weirddan455 | megaTherion: just save your /home or at least the config files |
| 23:38.40 | megaTherion | its save on a zpool ;) |
| 23:39.14 | weirddan455 | never used that... i just do ext4 |
| 23:39.39 | megaTherion | this machine is actually more kind of an workstation |
| 23:40.33 | weirddan455 | megaTherion: i'm curious why you say Arch didn't last long |
| 23:40.58 | megaTherion | because some roling release sth did break something, they had some major changes in their history |
| 23:41.13 | megaTherion | and you cannot go back (you must have an entire backup) - after some full upgrade something was broken |
| 23:41.29 | megaTherion | if you however always reinstall each 6 month it will never ever occur to you |
| 23:41.30 | weirddan455 | megaTherion: there was the switch from sysv to systemd but that was easy |
| 23:41.55 | megaTherion | I dont want systemd :D but anyways it wasnt this migration, there were many prior to this |
| 23:42.07 | megaTherion | and a good system must be stable over decades, at least thats my definition of stable |
| 23:42.53 | weirddan455 | megaTherion: I mean... Gentoo has to have similar large changes as does any rolling release distro. If you want true stability go with Debian or CentOS. |
| 23:43.03 | tsimpson | try debian, their release cycle is about a decade or so :) |
| 23:43.44 | weirddan455 | megaTherion: every time there's a large change on Arch there's a post on the homepage and any manual intervention is usually only like ~5 commands at most |
| 23:43.53 | megaTherion | weirddan455: I've archived true stability already, along with extreme customization |
| 23:44.34 | megaTherion | well in Gentoo you do not need to accept some update x,y or some systemd or you can go back two releases prior to this - you really have the choice |
| 23:44.55 | megaTherion | wonders when some op will come along |
| 23:45.36 | megaTherion | weirddan455: if I wanted to have more stability and sacrifice customizations I'd go BSD and not Linux at all (but thats another topic) |
| 23:45.40 | weirddan455 | megaTherion: I mean every prior package in Arch is stored in /var/cache/pacman/pkg... rolling back is a simple pacman -U command for the effective pacakges if something breaks |
| 23:46.25 | megaTherion | weirddan455: you cannot do this on arch if your deps dont agree, but as said you most likly never had such issues because you reinstall regulary |
| 23:47.40 | weirddan455 | megaTherion: I've never *had* to reinstall though... the normal updates always worked for me |
| 23:48.08 | megaTherion | weirddan455: then try keeping your system 20years - then we can speak again, Im sure my gentoo will be up and running still :) |
| 23:48.19 | weirddan455 | megaTherion: I can see what you mean about the dependencies though... I guess since you're compiling everything on Gentoo it doesn't matter what versions your libraries are |
| 23:48.27 | megaTherion | correct |
| 23:48.57 | weirddan455 | megaTherion: but then if a library gets updated do you have to recompile every package that uses it? that's gotta be a pain |
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| 23:49.25 | megaTherion | most things are modular today (see kde4) |
| 23:49.36 | megaTherion | it was pain on a pentium 3 when kde3 was one big blob - but not today anymore |
| 23:49.38 | weirddan455 | megaTherion: I probably spend less time reinstalling every 6 months than you spend compiling :P |
| 23:50.15 | megaTherion | weirddan455: can be but it doesnt matter, the machine does this for me - each weekend I do an update |
| 23:50.24 | weirddan455 | plus last I checked Arch packages are quite a bit more up-to-date than Gentoo |
| 23:50.56 | megaTherion | Im not out for the newest stuff, Im even on stable tree here |
| 23:51.06 | megaTherion | but you could always go HEAD for certain packages if you'd like |
| 23:51.14 | megaTherion | or simply use external repos if necessary |
| 23:51.38 | weirddan455 | but i mean if it works for you then good... i'm not trying to start a distro-war... different distros serve different purposes |
| 23:52.14 | megaTherion | indeed |
| 23:52.28 | acerspyro | GNU/TURD |
| 23:52.32 | acerspyro | Had to get it out. |
| 23:53.03 | weirddan455 | to be fair, i only tried Gentoo once on a VM |
| 23:53.19 | weirddan455 | everything was too complex for me though |
| 23:53.50 | weirddan455 | i couldn't even figure out which options to set in... whatever that file emerge uses to set compile options and such |
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| 23:54.32 | megaTherion | you were supposed to read the documentation :) |
| 23:54.35 | weirddan455 | i just left it as defaults and then IIRC a bunch of features were left out in the compile |
| 23:54.38 | acerspyro | lol |
| 23:55.12 | megaTherion | weirddan455: there are tools which can explain some use flags better |
| 23:55.16 | weirddan455 | megaTherion: lol I was reading the install guide but by the time I got it installed I was exhausted and just wanted to get X going |
| 23:55.25 | megaTherion | like: global:systemd: Enable use of systemd-specific libraries and features like socket activation or session tracking |
| 23:55.32 | megaTherion | systemd is globally off here :D |
| 23:55.55 | weirddan455 | this was pre-systemd when i tried it |
| 23:56.05 | megaTherion | can be, it was just an example |
| 23:56.21 | weirddan455 | i thought you weren't using systemd? |
| 23:56.29 | megaTherion | I dont, as said its globally off |
| 23:56.53 | weirddan455 | then... what package is that option set in? you need to have some init system |
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| 23:57.03 | megaTherion | sys-v is great |
| 23:57.09 | megaTherion | since last 20y or so, worked quite well |
| 23:57.38 | megaTherion | there were numerous pretenders to the throne already, like initng - tried it but well... better not... |
| 23:57.55 | weirddan455 | idk... i noticed an immediate speed advantage since Arch switched to systemd most noticable the boot time was almost twice as fast |
| 23:58.08 | megaTherion | boot time is slooow here anyways |
| 23:58.12 | megaTherion | typical workstation issue's |
| 23:58.20 | megaTherion | better dont (re)boot |
| 23:58.21 | weirddan455 | systemd will speed you up :P |
| 23:58.24 | megaTherion | not really |
| 23:58.36 | megaTherion | controller, disks etc. long winded initialization |
| 23:58.51 | megaTherion | I usually dont reboot so often |
| 23:59.09 | weirddan455 | IIRC systemd is just more sensible in the way it initalizes stuff... does a lot more in parallel |
| 23:59.37 | megaTherion | I dont like the userland |
| 23:59.37 | megaTherion | I dont want to break the standard |
| 23:59.55 | weirddan455 | systemd is the new standard like it or not |
