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| 00:16.55 | homerj | a really minor question, arch and 4.11, the battery applet, my keyboard is listed as a battery |
| 00:17.05 | homerj | type is correct in upower for it |
| 00:17.24 | homerj | thought maybe upower was saying it wasn't a keyboard, but it's '6' |
| 00:18.06 | homerj | other than that, all the other information is correct in the applet, just the icon, didn't know if there was an easy change for it or not |
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| 00:29.19 | eagles0513875 | hey guys what formats does kdenlive support? |
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| 00:30.06 | hein | eagles0513875: pretty much everything |
| 00:32.48 | eagles0513875 | hein: im not managing to add an mp3 into my project |
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| 00:34.18 | hein | eagles0513875: Most distributions don't ship MP3 support for legal reasons, you might be able to get packages with MP3 support from a third-party repo |
| 00:34.25 | hein | e.g. rpmfusion in case of Fedora |
| 00:34.28 | eagles0513875 | i have them already for another program |
| 00:34.33 | eagles0513875 | i have lame installed already |
| 00:36.21 | hein | lame is an encoder though |
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| 00:39.02 | amgarchIn9 | Hi! What is that thing at the top of the scree on Alt-F2? It does not respect the theme settings. Black text on black background. |
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| 00:39.22 | DaZ | amgarchIn9: krunner |
| 00:40.38 | amgarchIn9 | exactly! http://askubuntu.com/questions/117468/krunner-unreadable-black-text-on-black-background-file-a-bug-where |
| 00:42.03 | DaZ | amgarchIn9: so, you have effects disabled? :v |
| 00:45.04 | amgarchIn9 | yes. Just enabled them and it looks more fancy (blurred transparent background). Hm, am I the only who does not want all those effects (and that another guy)? |
| 00:45.50 | DaZ | amgarchIn9: you can disable most of them |
| 00:46.10 | DaZ | and stick to the useful ones :v |
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| 00:47.04 | shumski | amgarchIn9: if you switched themes, you may want to restart krunner. other than that, clear the plasma cache. if those 2 don't work, theme is broken |
| 00:47.53 | amgarchIn9 | this cannot be the intentded rendering: http://i.imgur.com/0AJucPF.png |
| 00:48.16 | amgarchIn9 | clear plasma cache? |
| 00:49.23 | shumski | yup. |
| 00:49.40 | shumski | but this looks as if the background ain't painted |
| 00:50.37 | DaZ | i'd restart krunner |
| 00:50.53 | DaZ | and disabled the blur effect, because it tends to be borked :v |
| 00:51.58 | amgarchIn9 | how do I clear plasma cache? |
| 00:53.56 | shumski | quit plasma and krunner, delete what you find with l $(kde4-config --localprefix)/cache-$HOSTNAME/ | grep cache, start them again |
| 00:56.00 | amgarchIn9 | thanks! found them: ~/.kde/cache-* , brb |
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| 01:05.19 | amgarchIn9 | Nope. But thanks anyway. I try to get rid of it once in a while and give up quickly. http://i.imgur.com/vy6lW6F.png |
| 01:06.36 | DaZ | amgarchIn9: either enable desktop effects or use different plasma style |
| 01:06.45 | DaZ | the default one was borked since ever :v |
| 01:07.03 | shumski | yeah, theme seems borked |
| 01:07.49 | shumski | amgarchIn9: this looks like a hybrid of pre 4.10 Air, post 4.10 Air, and oxygen. which one are you using? |
| 01:09.39 | amgarchIn9 | Color sheme Oxygen Cold. It has no effect on (chrome panels of) krunner. |
| 01:10.17 | DaZ | alt+f2 -> desktop theme |
| 01:10.30 | amgarchIn9 | Style Oxygen |
| 01:11.58 | shumski | not style, desktop theme. if you plasma theme is indeed oxygen, then there's something borked with your setup |
| 01:12.02 | shumski | *your |
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| 06:29.26 | shal3r | Hello. My plasma-desktop crashes instanty at boot or when i try to relauch it. Trace: http://office.gold.lv/tmp/plasma-desktop-20131101-082424.kcrash.txt (4.11.2) |
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| 08:17.08 | PasNox | hm |
| 08:17.25 | PasNox | any user having hard disk dead after having used akonadi / virtuoso since long time ? |
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| 08:18.17 | PasNox | my hard disk which is a new one - 1 year. having used it only a small partition of it for my linux. and hard disk is dead a sector used by mysql database, only used by akonadi mysql backend |
| 08:18.34 | PasNox | at* |
| 08:18.44 | PasNox | any hint ? |
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| 08:21.34 | muep | I would not expect either to have much to do with a hard disk breaking |
| 08:21.39 | bonsaikitten | replace disk, restore from backup |
| 08:21.48 | PasNox | bonsaikitten: of ocurse i will do. |
| 08:21.56 | bonsaikitten | if you don't have backups you are just in the process of learning an important lesson :) |
| 08:22.02 | PasNox | but i can't understand why my disk break after 6month of use |
| 08:22.11 | bonsaikitten | harddisks just die ... I plan about a year average lifetime |
| 08:22.14 | muep | because it was a defective disk |
| 08:22.25 | bonsaikitten | we had some seagates here where half of them didn't survive the first week - it just happens |
| 08:22.32 | PasNox | muep: or because akonadi write all days to the disk ? |
| 08:23.21 | PasNox | bonsaikitten: :( |
| 08:23.41 | PasNox | i always had a bad eye on what indexers do |
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| 08:23.54 | PasNox | they past there time writing to disk for a ting a don't need |
| 08:24.10 | muep | PasNox: no |
| 08:24.20 | PasNox | muep: ? |
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| 08:24.37 | muep | PasNox: it is not supposed to break from applications using the disk |
| 08:25.46 | PasNox | of course ;) |
| 08:26.10 | muep | especially as userspace applications do not even get direct access to the disk. even if the disk could be broken by badly behaving software, there is a kernel and a filesystem who should prevent such behavior from happening |
| 08:26.12 | PasNox | but writing the disk all days for long month is not acceptable in terms of device life |
| 08:26.21 | muep | otherwise any unprivileged application could break any computer |
| 08:26.44 | PasNox | ho i understand what u mean ;) |
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| 08:27.14 | PasNox | but the fac is that, only sectors where mysql database use by akonadi are dead :/ |
| 08:27.21 | muep | IIRC google released some statistics about hard disk failures some years ago, and there they said that disk activity does not greatly affect lifetime of the disk |
| 08:27.56 | muep | how did you determine that only those sectors are dead? |
| 08:28.01 | PasNox | even if disk is writing with few pause for weeks / months ? |
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| 08:28.15 | PasNox | muep: kern.log give information about application / files i/o errors |
| 08:29.44 | PasNox | is there some kde tooms able to read smart informations and create some diagram / report ? |
| 08:29.47 | PasNox | tools* |
| 08:30.03 | muep | PasNox: you would be better off using e.g. badblocks to check the disk |
| 08:30.16 | PasNox | muep: yep |
| 08:30.38 | PasNox | i'm downlaoding last kubuntu iso to put it on usb stick. i i will use that until my new hard disk comes |
| 08:30.41 | muep | the i/o errors would happen on just data that is accessed, but normally your computer will not use the entire disk |
| 08:30.47 | PasNox | so i can then repair / clone the other one |
| 08:31.19 | PasNox | muep: ok |
| 08:32.15 | PasNox | muep: any hint on smart tools for kde ? |
| 08:34.04 | muep | I would not limit to just kde stuff |
| 08:34.13 | muep | badblocks is the common tool |
| 08:34.27 | PasNox | yep badblocks is for checking and marking bad block |
| 08:34.39 | PasNox | but i would like a tool capable of reading smart info and present me a report |
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| 08:47.05 | muep | PasNox: there is smartctl for reading out the SMART data |
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| 08:47.39 | PasNox | muep: yes ifound it, but hard to understand something xD |
| 08:48.05 | PasNox | yes i found something interesting |
| 08:48.15 | PasNox | i have an extended partition sd3 |
| 08:48.22 | PasNox | which contains 2 ext4 partition inside |
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| 08:48.28 | PasNox | kern report bad sector in sd3 |
| 08:48.33 | PasNox | and not sd4 or 5 |
| 08:48.35 | PasNox | is it normal ? |
| 08:52.27 | valorie | once one sector is bad, your disk is failing, IMO |
| 08:52.39 | PasNox | yes |
| 08:52.45 | PasNox | :( |
| 08:52.54 | valorie | next you hear clicking, and then it's all over but the crying |
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| 08:53.12 | valorie | makes a sadface in sympathy |
| 08:53.12 | PasNox | xD |
| 08:53.16 | valorie | :( |
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| 08:53.33 | valorie | seriously, I thought I had a good backup |
| 08:53.37 | valorie | but |
| 08:53.40 | valorie | no |
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| 08:54.01 | PasNox | hm i don't have too, but the disk is still readable |
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| 08:54.23 | PasNox | so i will jsut not use it until i have the new one for my lone, hopin i will live until that :D |
| 08:54.39 | valorie | so unfun |
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| 08:54.46 | PasNox | and even if i loose the disk it's not critic, it only contains linux installs |
| 08:54.54 | PasNox | the only thing i want to backup are my sql database xD |
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| 08:55.28 | PasNox | because i don't want to earing this akonadi / indexer thing run some days / weeks again |
| 08:55.30 | PasNox | xD |
| 08:55.51 | valorie | I had my old HD at my son's house, so I thought I had at least a few-months-old backup |
| 08:55.58 | valorie | but it was unreadable |
| 08:56.03 | PasNox | :/ |
| 08:56.05 | PasNox | not fait |
| 08:56.07 | PasNox | fair* |
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| 08:56.21 | valorie | life isn't fair, and not always fun |
| 08:56.24 | valorie | for sure |
| 08:56.36 | PasNox | wht is incredible is that, each days passed make hightech live one day shorter |
| 08:56.38 | PasNox | xD |
| 08:57.04 | PasNox | i have a maxtor 200gb hard disk, i daily compile on it since 2004 year - and not even a single sector bad |
| 08:57.10 | PasNox | and disks u don't use |
| 08:57.14 | PasNox | dye jsut like that |
| 08:57.15 | PasNox | xD |
| 08:57.28 | PasNox | i bought a western digital disk 1 year ago for my wii |
| 08:57.32 | PasNox | i put 3 games on it |
| 08:57.34 | PasNox | play 2 days |
| 08:57.43 | PasNox | then let the wii as this for 1 month |
| 08:57.49 | PasNox | when i pluggued one the wii |
| 08:57.52 | PasNox | the disk was dead ! |
| 08:57.55 | PasNox | but completly dead |
| 08:58.04 | PasNox | i was so angry xD |
| 08:58.09 | Leoneof | play angry birds |
| 08:58.12 | PasNox | 2 days of use then dead |
| 08:58.24 | PasNox | Leoneof: i was waiting for that one hehe |
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| 09:00.00 | Leoneof | hdd is really awful, maybe ssd? look like flash memory, same problems |
| 09:01.11 | PasNox | yep |
| 09:01.13 | PasNox | worse ;) |
| 09:01.23 | Leoneof | and expensive :| |
| 09:01.28 | PasNox | xD |
| 09:02.13 | Leoneof | hdd can be useful, like cylinders and motors, ssd is just a block |
| 09:02.19 | Leoneof | motor* |
| 09:02.36 | PasNox | ;) |
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| 09:02.59 | PasNox | so if nobody had hdd fails after having used akonadi / file indexer |
| 09:03.09 | PasNox | i may just had no luck with this fucking hdd |
| 09:03.11 | PasNox | anyway |
| 09:03.15 | PasNox | it's western digital |
| 09:03.25 | PasNox | the only brand i had hdd fails with |
| 09:03.25 | valorie | PasNox: I've not had anyone say so, while I've watched the chan |
| 09:03.26 | PasNox | fuck |
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| 09:03.34 | PasNox | no luck i bought this brand again |
| 09:03.35 | PasNox | xD |
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| 09:04.30 | Leoneof | made in china? :] |
| 09:05.16 | PasNox | dunno xD |
| 09:05.28 | PasNox | but i'm not sure there is some hdd buit in France |
| 09:05.29 | PasNox | :D |
| 09:05.51 | PasNox | and the Made in France is not a proove of good quality. |
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| 09:05.56 | PasNox | even if they try to say that |
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| 09:05.58 | PasNox | ;) |
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| 09:14.35 | PasNox | hey |
| 09:14.52 | PasNox | i read again kern output |
| 09:15.21 | PasNox | it does not say the disk is bad / dead, jsut it can't read content on sector xyz. it could be jsut that the fs is broken ( and jsut need a repair ) ? |
| 09:15.24 | PasNox | http://paste.opensuse.org/29270352 |
| 09:15.25 | PasNox | ? |
| 09:15.54 | PasNox | i done a readonly scan and it found some errors |
| 09:19.10 | chandan_ | PasNox: My western digital HDD also had the same issue (it occured because of high temperature though). But since the hdd was still under warranty Western digital promptly replaced the drive. |
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| 09:19.26 | ATC243750496 | how to disable mouse wheel scrolling the task bar |
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| 09:28.04 | PasNox | chandan_: ok |
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| 10:02.33 | ATC243750496 | i am using compiz |
| 10:02.55 | ATC243750496 | and really hope someone can help me out |
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| 13:03.36 | pasnox | Hi! i bought a new hard disk, and when i try creating a partition on my disk, i can see in the outout: |
| 13:03.38 | pasnox | /dev/sdc1 alignment is offset by 512 bytes. |
| 13:03.38 | pasnox | This may result in very poor performance, (re)-partitioning suggested. |
| 13:03.58 | pasnox | it suggested to repartition but does not tell what to do to fix ? |
| 13:04.00 | pasnox | any hint please ? |
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| 13:08.28 | BluesKaj | pasnox. is there any data on the disk yet ? |
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| 13:09.29 | pasnox | BluesKaj: no, it'sz a new one |
| 13:09.41 | BluesKaj | pasnox. and which partitioner are you using ? |
| 13:09.49 | pasnox | partitionmanager from kde |
| 13:09.54 | pasnox | KDE Partition Manager |
| 13:10.00 | pasnox | so i think it's gparted behind it |
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| 13:10.59 | pasnox | BluesKaj: |
| 13:11.46 | BluesKaj | suggest you reformat the whole drive , pasnox , depending on what you intend to use it for |
| 13:12.44 | pasnox | BluesKaj: well it looks like it s an advanced format hard disk |
| 13:12.51 | pasnox | when i plug it in the sytem |
| 13:12.56 | pasnox | partitionmanager told me |
| 13:13.00 | pasnox | no partition table found |
| 13:13.07 | pasnox | then i click create partition table |
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| 13:13.14 | pasnox | then add primary partition of 640gb |
| 13:13.27 | pasnox | when applyink the details command chow me the offset problem |
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| 13:13.37 | pasnox | but i have no clue on how to fix it ? |
| 13:14.01 | BluesKaj | pasnox./media try gparted live cd |
| 13:14.17 | BluesKaj | err cd/mediaq |
| 13:14.40 | BluesKaj | searches for his glasses |
| 13:14.44 | pasnox | xD |
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| 13:14.53 | pasnox | i'm on kubuntu live cd currently |
| 13:14.58 | pasnox | i think it's enought ;) |
| 13:15.59 | pasnox | i'm currently reading: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Advanced_Format |
| 13:16.03 | pasnox | looks interesting :D |
| 13:16.29 | BluesKaj | well what the notification "advanced format" means is new to me |
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| 13:17.31 | pasnox | BluesKaj: it just mean 4k sectors |
| 13:17.35 | pasnox | instead of 512 bytes |
| 13:17.49 | BluesKaj | nods |
| 13:17.52 | pasnox | which seem to be default standard for 2014 |
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| 13:18.32 | BluesKaj | 512bytes is the beginninig of the drive where the mbr normally exists |
| 13:18.50 | pasnox | what is strange is that the page i give u tell it's normally directly supported by mkextXX |
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| 13:19.12 | pasnox | The 'advanced format' feature reduces overhead by using 4 kilobyte sectors instead of the traditional 512 byte sectors. |
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| 13:19.47 | BluesKaj | pasnox. , guess you have some reading to do :) |
| 13:19.55 | pasnox | yes it looks like partition start at position 63 to keep old os compatibility i need to remove that support |
| 13:19.56 | pasnox | yep :D |
| 13:21.01 | BluesKaj | sorry non traditional drives aren't in my knowledge base |
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| 13:21.18 | pasnox | hm partitionmanager make the partition start at sector 63 instead of 64. but does not allow me to chenge that, looks like i will have to do it from terminal command |
| 13:21.27 | pasnox | BluesKaj: no problems. thanks ;) |
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| 13:39.16 | bea_ | i have several questions about font rendering: first: the fonts in plasma are uglier than in applications. i noticed that this is because they are not sub-pixel antialiased, despite it being enabled. how do i fix this. second: how do i make kde respect the system's DPI? force dpi is disabled, still i have 96 dpi on a 130 dpi monitor. |
| 13:40.32 | bea_ | i also discovered a bug, in which rgba = none is written to ~./fonts.conf, although this is neither the system setting nor the kde setting (kde setting is respect system settings) |
| 13:40.47 | bea_ | so that's not the issue |
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| 13:42.35 | pasnox | where i can grab a deb for very last kde partition manager 1.1 ? |
| 13:42.54 | pasnox | just out kubuntu version seem to be locked to 1.03 version which has no support for 4k sectors |
| 13:42.56 | bea_ | found a bug report for the plasma ignoring subpixel settings thing ( |
| 13:42.57 | bea_ | 14:09 -!- - |
| 13:43.05 | bea_ | oops sorry |
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| 13:43.18 | pasnox | http://blog.volker-lanz.de/2010/06/01/new-in-kde-partition-manager-1-1-v-options-galore |
| 13:43.20 | rindolf | pasnox: is building it from source an option? |
| 13:43.26 | pasnox | 2010 and still not available :( |
| 13:43.48 | pasnox | rindolf: i could eventually, but i'm on a iso usb booted install |
| 13:43.56 | pasnox | so i may not has the possibility |
| 13:45.06 | rdieter | bea_: fyi, newer fontconfig conf goes to ~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf |
| 13:45.26 | pasnox | maybe i could just use gparted for the partitionning and let try building kde partition maanger later after the isntall |
| 13:45.45 | bea_ | rdieter: ok. moot though, i'm using /etc/fonts/conf.d, setting this up for multi user |
| 13:45.53 | rindolf | pasnox: the partitionmanager version in Mageia Cauldron is 1.0.60 |
| 13:45.54 | rdieter | bea_: and if you could give a reference (bug #) for the "plasma ignoring subpixel settings thing" thing, that would be nice. |
| 13:47.16 | bea_ | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=194000 any workarounds? this is from 2009 :-( |
| 13:47.19 | pasnox | rindolf: it has 4k support ? |
| 13:48.20 | rindolf | pasnox: I have no idea. |
| 13:48.27 | pasnox | ok |
| 13:48.35 | pasnox | strange code commited in 2010 |
| 13:48.38 | pasnox | is still not packaged |
| 13:48.39 | pasnox | :/ |
| 13:49.23 | rdieter | bea_: looks like a Qt issue, https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-11268 |
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| 13:50.35 | rdieter | not sure if it's still accurate though (the bug references the x11 renderer, but raster is generally used these days) |
| 13:50.40 | bea_ | rdieter: ok, i'll write it off as an unfixed thing for now, and the bug about kde writing a false .fonts.conf i can work around. so what remains is the dpi issue |
| 13:51.10 | rdieter | bea_: kde doesn't touch ~/.fonts.conf (or shouldn't these days) |
| 13:51.44 | rdieter | bea_: re dpi, does : xdpyinfo | grep resolution |
| 13:51.47 | rdieter | return what you expect? |
| 13:53.04 | rdieter | qt/kde generally does respect dpi, but gtk does not and I don't think qml-based plasma applets don't either |
| 13:53.15 | bea_ | rdieter: kde does touch .fonts.conf. steps to reproduce: go to fonts settings, change only font style, leave 'use system settings' for antialiasing as it is by default. see a new .fonts.conf with rgba = none, while /etc/fonts has rgba = rgb |
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| 13:53.30 | bea_ | that is in 4.8 |
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| 13:53.47 | rdieter | bea_: heh, old. :-/ that has been fixed since then |
| 13:54.30 | bea_ | rdieter: good to know, thanks |
| 13:55.00 | rdieter | I can probably dig up the commits if you want to try patching/backporting to your 4.8 builds |
| 13:55.34 | bea_ | rdieter: nah, as long as it's taken care of for future releases, i can work around it for now |
| 13:55.51 | bea_ | rdieter: haven't really got the resources and skills to do it atm |
| 13:56.33 | bea_ | rdieter: about the dpi, it actually returns 96x96, so i guess this is not a kde issue then. unless kde can change this setting too, but it can't right? |
| 13:57.38 | rdieter | bea_: systemsettings does have a "force dpi" option, but better to fix X display config if you think it's reported value of dpi is not right |
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| 13:58.09 | rdieter | but like I said, it's a losing battle, since many apps don't actually respect dpi these days |
| 13:59.28 | bea_ | rdieter: how would you go about setting up a system that chooses its font size depending on the monitor? i am preconfiguring a system that will be installed on a variety of computers with different monitors |
| 13:59.55 | rdieter | unfortunately, that's an unsolved problem |
| 14:00.28 | rdieter | since gtk gave up on it (and essentially hard-codes 96 dpi), there's not much you can do. |
| 14:01.34 | rdieter | imo, pick some good defaults that it the best compromise for all your monitors to start with, and then tweak as needed later |
| 14:01.40 | bea_ | rdieter: i assumed that gnome still adapted their 'text scaling factor' or whatever that is depending on the hardware. that's really sad, this used to work in the past |
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| 14:02.54 | rdieter | afaik, gnome never automatically applied any scaling factor (that was a per-user preference) |
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| 14:03.19 | rdieter | but my famililarity with that is limited, I could be wrong |
| 14:03.21 | bea_ | rdieter: in debian 6, both gnome and kde had their font size depending on the resolution by default, i'm almost sure of it |
| 14:03.30 | bea_ | at least for gnome |
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| 14:04.29 | rdieter | that's different than my experience fighting the issue with gnome devs in fedora for years |
| 14:04.50 | rdieter | but maybe debian patched in some sense. :) |
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| 15:16.25 | bea_ | rdieter: fyi, i found out that my EDID (Extended display identification data) is invalid, which is why i'm getting a wrong dpi. the fact that i have a nvidia chip may have something to do with that. anyway, i'll just try to divide the machines into 2 groups and make 2 font size presets accordingly. also, thanks for clarifying a few things. |
| 15:16.35 | ruediger | can gwenview display (or edit) exif data? |
| 15:17.21 | bea_ | ruediger: display yes, edit i don't think so |
| 15:18.27 | bea_ | ruediger: this is just a guess, but digikam has a lot more features, maybe it can edit exif data |
| 15:19.51 | bea_ | ruediger: for displaying, click on the 'information' tab on the left sidebar, then under 'meta information' click 'more' |
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| 15:24.33 | ruediger | there are only file operation and image operation tabs (KDE 4.11.2) |
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| 15:51.51 | ruediger | would be awesome if gwenview could open the gps data in marble (or google maps) |
| 15:51.56 | ruediger | (or osm) |
| 15:52.32 | ruediger | oh, there is an "Edit All Metadata" plugin. How could I miss that |
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| 15:53.34 | ruediger | (that doesn't support gps data either) |
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| 21:46.43 | johnny69 | Hi folks... just a quick one for you here. I just recently put in another hard drive. Benchmarks show it to be much much faster than anything else I have. I would like Kde and whatever I am running to make use of that faster drive to write it's temp files. How can I change this enviroment variable to use a different drive/directory?? (Kde 4.10.x/Opensuse 12.3) Thank you. |
| 21:48.25 | karthikp | johnny69: kde writes its temp files to /tmp/kde-user/ |
| 21:48.47 | karthikp | The non-volatile (files that need to survive reboots) files get written to /var/tmp/... |
| 21:48.57 | muep | johnny69: in many cases, /tmp will actually be a tmpfs |
| 21:49.28 | karthikp | yes, that's right. (I wasn't done typing. :) ) |
| 21:49.44 | karthikp | So, you're already getting the speed boost from your RAM being much faster than your SSD. |
| 21:50.23 | muep | johnny69: in which case, temporary files would not hit the any disk at all, unless you run low on RAM |
| 21:50.34 | karthikp | That said, the program will still load from your /usr, which might be in your root partition. |
| 21:50.54 | johnny69 | Thank you for that |
| 21:50.56 | johnny69 | everyone |
| 21:50.57 | karthikp | I suppose moving /usr to the SSD partition and mounting it at /usr could help speed up load times. |
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| 21:51.39 | johnny69 | I'm not actually using an SSD. Just that I have old ancient (Oh my god that was installed ON the Mayflower) and THEN I put in this newer 500 gig. :) |
| 21:52.52 | johnny69 | Ok, so what we are saying here is that there is no temp/tmp enviroment variable that I can change to point to another drive ? |
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| 21:53.17 | muep | johnny69: likely there is no need to do anything for temporary files |
| 21:53.39 | muep | it is some other files which might benefit from using the faster disk |
| 21:54.08 | johnny69 | muep: Probably not much. I agree. Most of the temp files I'm seeing is from plugins that are running in my browser that have crashed and thus didn't get a chance to clean up after themselves, etc. |
| 21:54.36 | johnny69 | I did move the swap partition to the newer/faster drive. I figured that at least made sense. :) |
| 21:56.03 | karthikp | I actually ditched the swap partition entirely.Most of the time, I don't cross more than 3 gigs of memory usage and that's plenty easy to accomodate on 9 gigs of RAM (even with 3 going to tmpfs). |
| 21:56.47 | muep | I keep some swap space, because it is still helpful to e.g. swap out the temporary files that get left in /tmp but which are not used anymore |
| 21:57.01 | johnny69 | I'm only running at something like 1.7 gig of memory and I very seldom ever hit the swap file myself now that I think about it. |
| 21:57.52 | karthikp | muep: Good point. Also, there's the hibernate use case that requires the use of swap space... |
| 21:58.07 | muep | hibernate requires insanely lot of it |
| 21:58.40 | karthikp | johnny69: In 32-bit land, my old laptop usually idles at 300 MB. In 64-bit land, my desktop easily starts up at 1.8 GB. |
| 21:58.42 | muep | fortunately I do not usually need it, so I can do with some modest amount of swap space |
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| 21:59.45 | johnny69 | I really need to get with the times. I'm sitting here in front of some old and moldy Dell that I have swapped parts and had people give me things to slowly ramp it up to what it is now. But I've went about as far as I can with it. This 2.8 ghz - Single core cpu and old nasty 40 gig drives (and one 80 gig...and now this 500) along with an Nvidia card from AGP days gone by.... |
| 22:00.51 | johnny69 | I disabled the hibernate thing actually. I have this groovy molecular/molecule model screensaver that I enjoy watching quite a bit. |
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| 22:02.46 | karthikp | I suspend my desktop when it's not actively in use. Otherwise, it heats up my room pretty quickly. :) |
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| 22:04.53 | johnny69 | You know, now that I think about it....whether actually beneficial in any real world benchmark or not...considering the amount of fine grained control Kde and inparticular what Linux offers....I'm actually a little surprised that there isn't a clear and easy/simple way to change that tmp variable we were talking about. |
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| 22:11.34 | zipper | Uh I have this issue with KDE and firefox. It looks bad with the default oxygen theme. I just installed it on arch with pacman -S firefox. Its kinda blocky. |
| 22:11.52 | zipper | Is there like a pastebin for images where I can post this? |
| 22:12.11 | zipper | a screenshot of how firefox looks |
| 22:12.33 | johnny69 | paste.kde.org |
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| 22:15.07 | johnny69 | So....while zipper is doing his paste bin thingy...I have a question as well. Along the bottom...the taskbar... I have this image I wanted to use to as a tesxture/image map thingy. I used to be able to do this in the old 3.x Kde series. However, I see now way to use any gif or jpg to wrap around the taskbar to "cunstomize" it. Is this still possible at all? Or am I looking at editing .theme files or something? |
| 22:15.27 | johnny69 | tesxture = texture |
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| 22:16.13 | johnny69 | I'm not even going to bother correcting all my typos above. I think my fingers just had complex partial seizures up there or something! :( |
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| 22:19.09 | zipper | Firefox won't even let me paste stuff from my clipboard on it |
| 22:21.23 | d0tred | help i'm not getting the graphical login screen |
| 22:21.27 | d0tred | =/ |
| 22:21.49 | jalcine | d0tred: what version of KDE are you running? what distro? |
| 22:21.58 | d0tred | latest |
| 22:22.00 | d0tred | archlinux |
| 22:22.21 | jalcine | can you get to a tty? |
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| 22:22.51 | jalcine | ^ d0tred |
| 22:23.26 | jalcine | johnny69: you might have a better chance asking in #plasma |
| 22:23.57 | jalcine | d0tred: hit Ctrl+Alt+F1 |
| 22:24.05 | jalcine | that'd switch you to a tty, virtual console |
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| 22:25.11 | Addle | If that doesn't work, try Ctrl+Alt+F2. I know my Arch system has the GUI on tty1. |
| 22:25.38 | d0tred | after i login it starts kde no problem |
| 22:26.03 | d0tred | ctrl alt f1 doesn't work |
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| 22:26.28 | jalcine | I'm more of a Kubuntu user, so Addle, you might have to help with the Arch differences ;) |
| 22:26.38 | Addle | d0tred: Did you install a display manager? |
| 22:26.38 | jalcine | d0tred: did Ctrl+Alt+F2 work? |
| 22:26.48 | jalcine | wonders how it wouldn't come with one. |
| 22:26.53 | d0tred | kdm |
| 22:27.23 | Addle | d0tred: Might want to see if systemd is has it enabled. |
| 22:27.34 | jalcine | d0tred: after hitting Ctrl+Alt+F2, are you presented with a shell? If so, I can help you from there. |
| 22:27.53 | d0tred | cli login |
| 22:28.23 | Addle | d0tred: I don't have kdm on here, but something like "sudo systemctl start kdm.service" might kick it off. If that works, then run "sudo systemctl enable kdm.service". |
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| 22:29.07 | Addle | d0tred: Make sure you've read and understood the relevant Arch Wiki pages, BTW. The Arch Wiki is amazing. |
| 22:29.11 | jalcine | Addle: should we have him run 'startkde' to get him a GUI session? that's where I'm planning to go |
| 22:29.22 | jalcine | +1; I use the Arch wikis more than the Ubuntu ones, lol |
| 22:29.43 | Addle | jalcine: Probably not a bad idea. |
| 22:30.24 | jalcine | d0tred: from the CLI, login using your username and password. When you get into the shell, run 'startkde' |
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| 22:30.35 | jalcine | if curious in its purpose, 'man startkde' is your friend |
| 22:30.45 | d0tred | one moment pls |
| 22:31.02 | jalcine | np |
| 22:31.18 | jalcine | anyone here uses Choqok? |
| 22:31.36 | d0tred | i was on the wiki's |
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| 22:31.59 | d0tred | didn't say or might have missed it |
| 22:32.22 | d0tred | but didn't see nothing that said to put systemctl infront of enable/start kdm |
| 22:32.23 | johnny69 | jalcine: Thank you for that. I'll ask in Plasma. |
| 22:32.33 | d0tred | thanks |
| 22:32.54 | d0tred | hope this works |
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| 22:33.21 | jalcine | d0tred: let us know what happens |
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| 22:34.18 | Addle | d0tred: The Arch KDE page just says "Enable/start kdm.service" with a link to show you how to enable and start it. |
| 22:34.43 | Addle | d0tred: Which is exactly the lines I gave you. |
| 22:35.04 | d0tred | it worked |
| 22:35.09 | d0tred | ! |
| 22:35.19 | d0tred | awesome |
| 22:35.33 | Addle | d0tred: Is that with startkde? Or the systemctl service? |
| 22:36.16 | Addle | d0tred: Anyways, if KDE works, then the systemctl stuff should start it automagically for you, so you're probably good to go. |
| 22:36.37 | d0tred | systemctl |
| 22:36.46 | Addle | d0tred: Excellent. |
| 22:36.50 | d0tred | thanks |
| 22:37.01 | jalcine | d0tred: enjoy the blue! |
| 22:37.05 | Addle | d0tred: np :) |
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| 23:10.55 | eristisk | I ran a fullscreen OPenGL video game which ran fine as it normally does, but when I quite it, KDE gave INSANE gaphical tearing that made viewing the desktop near impossible |
| 23:12.12 | eristisk | But now, even after rebooting the entire machine, the tearing persists |
| 23:12.24 | eristisk | I tried hotkey for enabling/disabling compositing, which does not fix anything |
| 23:12.29 | eristisk | I am running KDE 4.11.x in Arch Linux |
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