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| 02:53.53 | cigleps | alguien de de habla hispana o castellano |
| 02:53.59 | cigleps | Qantourisc: ue me ayude por favor |
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| 03:25.50 | jalcine | A very interesting concept on window management http://elementaryos.org/journal/whats-still-window-controls |
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| 03:31.19 | Phr33d0m | jalcine I'm not fan of making the desktop experience *EVEN MORE* idiot proof, I got so annoyed when I had to use gnome3 and there wasn't a maximize button... |
| 03:32.27 | Phr33d0m | that's some gnome mentality and I'm not fond of it |
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| 03:33.08 | DrEeevil | jalcine: I am amused by the obvious mistakes that UX people tend to make |
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| 03:39.26 | jalcine | Phr33d0m: how would you consider it to be idiot-proof? Personally, I can't remember the last time I minimized something. |
| 03:39.42 | jalcine | Most of my windows are either stacked or not open (by not being running processes) |
| 03:39.58 | jalcine | DrEeevil: really, like what? |
| 03:40.15 | jalcine | Mind you guys, I'm a KDE user myself; using the beta version on Kubuntu as we speak |
| 03:40.19 | DrEeevil | jalcine: just the window borders of elementaryOS should make any UX specialists cry |
| 03:40.37 | jalcine | Why? the thinness? lack of shadow? etc? |
| 03:40.39 | DrEeevil | wasteful spacing, grey on gray to reduce contrast, etc. |
| 03:40.40 | Phr33d0m | you used that word - "Personally", personal preferences shouldn't define a usability and less for a desktop experience, the user *MUST* be able to configure it to his pleasure |
| 03:41.11 | jalcine | Phr33d0m: I've mentioned that to the developers; I asked if the desktop environment was flexible for edits and changes. |
| 03:41.21 | jalcine | it looks like it might be a bit difficult if everything's hard-coded |
| 03:41.29 | jalcine | and they have their own window manager so : |
| 03:41.32 | jalcine | *:x |
| 03:41.39 | Phr33d0m | jalcine well it'd be a pain in the arse, as I use elementaryos on my laptop... |
| 03:41.51 | jalcine | Phr33d0m: you do?! |
| 03:42.12 | Phr33d0m | yup, and I wouldn't want them to force me a design that I can't stand |
| 03:43.21 | jalcine | Well, I'm booting it now in qemu, let's see! |
| 03:43.49 | Phr33d0m | I haven't used my laptop since university ended in may, I should boot it up and update it I guess... |
| 03:44.15 | jalcine | Wow, first thing I like: booted straight to a live desktop |
| 03:45.25 | Phr33d0m | then you're not an arch/gentoo user :P |
| 03:51.43 | jalcine | Phr33d0m: nope, lol |
| 03:51.54 | jalcine | I do have to give it a bit of a go |
| 03:51.59 | jalcine | the difference is more internal, no? |
| 03:52.21 | jalcine | and software availability isn't that bad since I don't mind compiling stuff |
| 03:52.31 | jalcine | I do that a lot with production software on my ubuntu system anyways |
| 03:52.39 | jalcine | but my opinion decreased |
| 03:52.49 | jalcine | it's not that great; KDE still washes them out :3 |
| 03:53.12 | Phr33d0m | gentoo has a very big software availability, and you don't compile stuff *by hand* anyways... |
| 03:53.48 | jalcine | no, I meant like how some packages claim to be Ubuntu/Debian only and what not |
| 03:54.15 | Phr33d0m | well there are such yes, no one can do anything about it |
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| 03:55.08 | Phr33d0m | even if that software can be adapted to other distros, they're under some propietary (eeeew) license that forbids so |
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| 03:56.38 | jalcine | yup things we'd avoid |
| 03:56.47 | jalcine | it's amazing how that can affect your outlook on things. |
| 03:57.07 | jalcine | I've moved away from office suites in general and have been just using LaTeX for things |
| 03:57.10 | jalcine | contracts, CVs mostly |
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| 11:35.42 | jdoles | I don't have any window decorations after an upgrade. |
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| 11:41.27 | Sho_ | jdoles: sounds like you might be having a crashing kwin after your upgrade |
| 11:41.36 | Sho_ | or an abi-incompatible oxygen deco |
| 11:42.49 | jdoles | Sho_: why can't people just automatically setup things such that this case never occurs in the first place? |
| 11:43.30 | jdoles | Sho_: I even rebooted my machine, but the exact same thing happens. |
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| 11:43.46 | jdoles | You would almost think that they do it on purpose. |
| 11:43.54 | Sho_ | jdoles: Can you still switch between windows? |
| 11:44.04 | jdoles | Sho_: Alt-Tab works. |
| 11:44.09 | Sho_ | jdoles: Ok, then kwin is running |
| 11:44.24 | Sho_ | jdoles: So it's probably the Oxygen ABI thing, which then makes it the packager's fault |
| 11:44.30 | jdoles | Sho_: ps aux|grep kwin shows it is running. |
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| 11:44.36 | Sho_ | jdoles: Switch to a different decoration for now and notify your distro |
| 11:46.24 | jdoles | Sho_: can you suggest one that should work, because I tried two now and they don't work. |
| 11:47.00 | jdoles | I really don't get why something like this isn't part of an automated test (check whether a window with a border comes up). |
| 11:47.54 | Sho_ | jdoles: Not really, because if it was what I suspected it was, it would be an "all but Oxygen work" kind of scenario. I guess the safest bet might be an Aurorae theme which means anything you can get via "Get New Decorations" |
| 11:49.26 | jdoles | Sho_: therer are lots of those named like that. |
| 11:49.39 | Sho_ | jdoles: Some of the distros do have test matrices actually, but sometimes you e.g. have hardware-specific failures and nobody has all graphics cards at home |
| 11:50.29 | Sho_ | jdoles: yes, Aurorae is a decoration engine that can load SVG-based themes |
| 11:50.37 | jdoles | Sho_: kwin3_kde2.so has no API version. |
| 11:50.44 | jdoles | Sho_: that's what I am seeing a lot. |
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| 11:51.25 | jdoles | Object::connect: No such signal QObject_QML_1::buttonsChanged() |
| 11:51.31 | jdoles | And lots of messages like that. |
| 11:53.10 | Sho_ | Both are most likely harmless |
| 11:54.10 | jdoles | And now I got a fully unresponsive system, where I had to relogin. |
| 11:54.24 | jdoles | Big black and white rectangles, etc. |
| 11:55.12 | Sho_ | jdoles: Maybe you should try disabling Desktop Effects |
| 11:55.13 | jdoles | Sho_: and after a relogin based with another theme, it does work. |
| 11:55.35 | jdoles | Now, let's see whether I can find a less horrible one. |
| 11:56.26 | Sho_ | And remember to inform your distro that you were unable to load Oxygen and some other decorations in the build of the KDE packages you upgraded to |
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| 12:03.32 | jdoles | Sho_: what's the name of the feature in icontasks which shows a preview of the window? |
| 12:03.46 | jdoles | Sho_: because somehow that got disabled. |
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| 12:06.51 | Sho_ | jdoles: That requires the "Window Thumbnails" Desktop Effect to be enabled (and so obiviously also Desktop Effects in general) |
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| 12:10.45 | jdoles | Sho_: I am only seeing Taskbar Thumbnails here and it was already enabled. Desktop effects are enabled at startup too. |
| 12:11.17 | Sho_ | jdoles: Should be the right one ... maybe there's an option in Icon Tasks to disable them? |
| 12:12.05 | jdoles | Sho_: no |
| 12:12.06 | Sho_ | jdoles: "Enabled at startup" might also not necessarily mean "actually was initialized", I guess |
| 12:12.11 | Sho_ | you could try the shortcut |
| 12:12.23 | jdoles | Sho_: yes, I considered that. |
| 12:12.31 | jdoles | Sho_: it's a bad UI. |
| 12:12.46 | jdoles | Sho_: it should say whether it was initialized properly or not. |
| 12:13.00 | Sho_ | I agree it should show status, yeah |
| 12:13.04 | jdoles | (and if that isn't possible, the whole graphics stack is broken) |
| 12:13.17 | jdoles | At which point someone should redesign that. |
| 12:13.39 | Sho_ | unfortunately "the whole graphics stack is broken" happens pretty often |
| 12:15.42 | Sho_ | jdoles: qdbus org.kde.kwin /Compositor active / qdbus org.kde.kwin /Compositor compositingPossible / qdbus org.kde.kwin /Compositor compositingNotPossibleReason might be useful |
| 12:15.59 | Sho_ | (those are three commands separated by slashes) |
| 12:17.52 | jdoles | Sho_: it says that compo. is possible. |
| 12:18.14 | Sho_ | but active is false? then i guess it's time to hit that keyboard shortcut |
| 12:18.24 | Sho_ | or qdbus org.kde.kwin /Compositor toggleCompositing |
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| 12:32.28 | jdoles | Sho_: also true |
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| 12:33.48 | Sho_ | jdoles: Then I can only suspect the previews are disabled on the icon tasks level |
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| 12:35.59 | jdoles | Sho_: I don' think there is a way to disable them. |
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| 12:39.14 | Balduin | hi, cantor 0.4 and kde 4.10 does not work with the sage backend? Has anyone any Idea to fix that? |
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| 12:44.13 | mva | Hi there! |
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| 12:45.44 | Balduin | hi |
| 12:46.05 | Balduin | has anyone any idea about the cantor sage-backend? |
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| 15:44.06 | *** topic/#kde is KDE SC 4.10 is out! See www.kde.org | http://userbase.kde.org | http://forum.kde.org | Don't flood the channel, use http://paste.kde.org | Distro related questions go in your distro channel | Offtopic in #kde-chat | State your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | Don't delete ~/.kde or ~/.kde4 |
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| 15:53.21 | Dark_light | How can I make appmenu-qt always visible? |
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| 15:59.57 | Maple__ | Question not directly related to KDE. If I were to install oxygen-gtk2 & -gtk3 during a KDE session, would the oxygen theme also be visible during a GNOME session? I'm using Arch + GDM w/ KDE and GNOME. |
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| 16:11.09 | Verge | What? |
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| 16:14.38 | Sho_ | Maple__: No |
| 16:14.57 | Sho_ | Maple__: Well it depends on what you mean with "visible" |
| 16:15.03 | Sho_ | Maple__: It'd be available for selection, yes |
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| 20:07.21 | roquetto | hi there, I am trying to setup my kolab account on kmail (archlinux 4.10.5), the wizard will reach the page where I can enter my server address and the kolab version, but won't get past, no matter what I enter there, any clues? |
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| 20:29.39 | geomyidae | qmake: could not exec '/usr/lib/qt/bin/qmake': No such file or directory |
| 20:29.40 | geomyidae | >_< |
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| 20:37.36 | thiago | geomyidae: self-explanatory |
| 20:38.47 | geomyidae | but why it was looking there was a bit of a mystery |
| 20:38.57 | geomyidae | must be an artifact of my three qt installs side by side |
| 20:39.07 | geomyidae | I fixed it anyhow, by adding another :) |
| 20:39.10 | geomyidae | everything works again |
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| 21:25.51 | unutulmusolan | hi everytime i mute i have to unmute every channel manually how can i fix it |
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| 21:56.13 | ajrlegits | Does anyone know if there's a configuration option to change the direction of the cursor for left-handed users? |
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| 22:11.26 | Kardos | j #kile |
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| 22:14.03 | Taggg | hello, where can i find the source for kdebase? |
| 22:14.29 | Taggg | i can't find it here: https://projects.kde.org/projects |
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| 22:37.09 | tsimpson | Taggg: there is no more kdebase, there's KDE Runtime, Workspace and Applications |
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| 22:40.04 | Taggg | tsimpson: yeah i just realized that, thanks! |
| 22:41.14 | Taggg | tsimpson: got a good suggestion for a way to find the revision where kdebase was removed? |
| 22:41.33 | Taggg | this is taking ages: svn log svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -v | grep kdebase |
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| 22:45.10 | tsimpson | Taggg: I'm pretty sure it was split with 4.0 |
| 22:45.16 | tsimpson | so, a long time ago |
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| 22:56.47 | mucha090 | hi all |
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| 22:58.03 | mucha090 | where i can change font size in "time and date" plasmoid? |
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| 23:00.30 | mucha090 | how to change font size in "time and date" plasmoid |
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| 23:13.53 | rdieter | mucha090: i don't think you can... text (presumably) resizes to fit the size of the applet |
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| 23:19.01 | geomyidae | does kde cache theme svgz or something? |
| 23:19.16 | rdieter | geomyidae: yes |
| 23:19.22 | geomyidae | rdieter: how can I clear it |
| 23:20.42 | rdieter | geomyidae: in ~/.kde/cache-<hostname> , remove plasma-* |
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| 23:21.18 | geomyidae | rdieter: thanks a bunch |
| 23:21.46 | mucha090 | rdieter it`s bad |
| 23:22.14 | mucha090 | because when i disable my own color for font |
| 23:22.27 | mucha090 | then i will have bigger font |
| 23:22.34 | mucha090 | and its weird |
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| 23:50.12 | geomyidae | okay I've been trying for like half an hour |
| 23:50.21 | geomyidae | what svg controls the background of the icon-only-task manageR? |
| 23:50.48 | Sho_ | you mean the button background? |
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| 23:52.41 | Strav | Hi! Small question: is it I or kde's sound (multimedia) configuration is overly complicated and seldom does the right job (like switching to an usb headset when connected)? |
| 23:52.48 | geomyidae | Sho_: /is/ it button? |
| 23:52.54 | geomyidae | I thought I tried modifying that one to no effect |
| 23:53.15 | Strav | It feels as buggy as the multi-monitor support before kscreen came along. |
| 23:54.33 | Strav | (my main question is: is there something like kscreen for kde's audio config?) |
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| 23:57.23 | Sho_ | geomyidae: the buttons use tasks.svgz unless they use one of the icontasks-specific rendering options |
| 23:58.59 | geomyidae | maybe I don't know what I'm doing but I managed to change one of them |
| 23:59.11 | geomyidae | Ive changed everything that looks even remotely close and can't make it look different. |
| 23:59.24 | Sho_ | geomyidae: I wrote the new task manager in 4.11 so I vaguely know what I'm doing :) |