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| 00:10.24 | johnjohn1011 | what is kde on windows? |
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| 00:13.26 | wgosling | It is a port of some windows programs to Windows. |
| 00:13.54 | johnjohn1011 | why not just install kde? |
| 00:14.00 | johnjohn1011 | on an linux system |
| 00:14.19 | wgosling | it is a port of some *kde programs to Windows. |
| 00:14.36 | wgosling | well obviously it is for those times you are just stukc in windows |
| 00:14.37 | johnjohn1011 | ok |
| 00:15.07 | johnjohn1011 | which is all the time at work! glad to get to my linux at home |
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| 02:07.14 | cjae | all wesites seems to be 2011 or earlier. need to integrate chrome into kde 4.9.5. not sure if poosible from settings or by extension |
| 02:07.37 | thiago | settings |
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| 02:10.36 | cjae | well i have the gtk themes but I think all it does is the title bar, font and this folder looking view is aweful |
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| 02:13.15 | cjae | everything seems very granular too |
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| 02:19.57 | cjae | nm got it |
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| 02:36.20 | micqo | hello, everyone. can i make kmail behave like thunderbird a bit? kmail is an awesome client, but it keeps asking gmail password everytime wi-fi disconnects and on startup. really annoying. any idea? |
| 02:37.08 | msx | micqo: yes of course |
| 02:37.21 | msx | you need to let it use kwallet |
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| 02:38.38 | msx | ah claa ahora venis |
| 02:38.46 | micqo | msx, oh, i tried this one :) then i have to enter kwallet password _and_ kmail password :) may be i'm doing smth wrong, though |
| 02:38.47 | msx | Spaceghost: te sentis con culpa? |
| 02:38.51 | msx | xD |
| 02:38.56 | Spaceghost | Jajaja |
| 02:39.14 | msx | Spaceghost: me thinks he needs to stop trolling here, ahh well, nevermind |
| 02:39.35 | msx | micqo: mostly |
| 02:39.53 | msx | micqo: i would recommend you just delete your old wallet and create a new one |
| 02:40.14 | msx | keep in mind that the best practice would be to: 1. delete the default wallet |
| 02:40.25 | msx | 2. close all your apps and log out and in again |
| 02:40.59 | msx | 3. decide whether you'll need for an extra secure wallet ör if you can go with default one, more usble but without any password |
| 02:41.25 | msx | micqo: be warned you will lose your data stored there and will need to add everything again |
| 02:42.02 | msx | but, as i think this way everything would work rather well from now on, i highly recommend you to at least give this a try |
| 02:42.08 | msx | micqo: HTH |
| 02:42.12 | micqo | msx, thanks a lot. i'll try it now. i seems back then i used the secure wallet and that's why it asked password eveytime... |
| 02:42.24 | msx | micqo: exactly |
| 02:42.54 | msx | that's very useful in case anyone else than you access your computer with an open session |
| 02:43.25 | msx | but if you take care about that, i don't need you need to secure the wallet itself |
| 02:44.02 | msx | micqo: i'm going for wild trolling now (irc's great, just give me a whistle if you need further assistance |
| 02:44.06 | msx | good luck |
| 02:44.30 | micqo | msx, by open session you mean ssh or smth like that? |
| 02:44.48 | micqo | msx, thanks a lot again! and i didn't want to troll anyone :) |
| 02:45.00 | micqo | just didn't know what to do :) |
| 02:45.16 | msx | micqo: oh forgive my very limited english |
| 02:45.32 | msx | i wanted to point "logged in" |
| 02:46.29 | micqo | it's ok :) |
| 02:47.08 | micqo | and was it Latin or Esperanto? |
| 02:47.08 | micqo | :P |
| 02:47.37 | msx | is there any akonadi present? |
| 02:47.43 | msx | haha lol |
| 02:47.54 | msx | any akonadi "expert" present? |
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| 02:48.35 | msx | i just want to know if it's normal to have some good 490.000 files in .local/share/akonaid/file_db directory |
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| 02:48.43 | msx | it seems HUGE to me |
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| 04:13.27 | guru_ | hmm there a plugin to get ktorrent to work from firefox? |
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| 04:13.51 | guru_ | with magnet torrents |
| 04:16.05 | valorie | guru_: can't you set that in systemsettings? |
| 04:16.09 | rdieter | guru_: add x-scheme-handler/magnet to MimeTypes= line in ktorrent.desktop |
| 04:16.46 | rdieter | patches fedora ktorrent builds, been meaning to poke upstream about that |
| 04:17.52 | rdieter | guru_: in particular, http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/ktorrent.git/tree/ktorrent-4.2.0-mimetype_magnet.patch |
| 04:19.16 | rdieter | then (re)run update-desktop-database, firefox then should recognize ktorrent as a valid handler for magnet links |
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| 04:20.21 | guru_ | thanks will look at that :) |
| 04:21.48 | cjae | http://someslack.wordpress.com/2012/05/18/make-firefox-understand-magnet-links/ |
| 04:24.46 | rdieter | interesting, ^^ might be required too then |
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| 04:26.37 | cjae | has more better grammer |
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| 04:33.10 | guru_ | nice the about:config one :) |
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| 04:57.01 | cjae | guru_: :-) |
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| 08:13.20 | rindolf | Hi all. |
| 08:15.10 | kaiser92_ | hi rindolf |
| 08:15.13 | kaiser92_ | how r u man |
| 08:15.40 | rindolf | In gwenview when I click on a photo at the bottom of many folders and then click the Up button or the browse button the position is set to that of the top of the directory - not the previous position. Is this a known problem? I'm on KDE-4.10.2 on Mageia 3 Cauldron. |
| 08:15.55 | rindolf | kaiser92_: I'm fine - trying to debug a gwenview bug. |
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| 08:18.52 | kaiser92_ | ah cool |
| 08:20.52 | kaiser92_ | rindolf: can i pm you a minute please? |
| 08:20.58 | kaiser92_ | it is very important |
| 08:21.01 | rindolf | kaiser92_: yes, you can. |
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| 08:36.17 | dinosaur_milksha | hi everyone |
| 08:37.01 | rindolf | dinosaur_milksha: hi, what's up? |
| 08:37.25 | dinosaur_milksha | i just recently returned to kde |
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| 08:38.06 | dinosaur_milksha | and i'm somewhat disappointed that most of the issues i had have not been addressed |
| 08:38.17 | dinosaur_milksha | anyway |
| 08:38.30 | cheesecakes | dinosaur_milksha: join the club |
| 08:38.35 | dinosaur_milksha | hehe |
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| 08:38.42 | dinosaur_milksha | i'm a designer |
| 08:38.57 | cheesecakes | cool ilove designers |
| 08:39.01 | dinosaur_milksha | so there are lots of things that bug me ^^ |
| 08:39.04 | cheesecakes | they have the best wallpapers |
| 08:39.17 | dinosaur_milksha | haha |
| 08:39.18 | cheesecakes | :D |
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| 08:39.26 | dinosaur_milksha | i like whitespace |
| 08:39.42 | cheesecakes | i like black |
| 08:39.43 | dinosaur_milksha | but it seems most kde users don't |
| 08:40.07 | dinosaur_milksha | i'm interested in things like changing the padding in text boxes or the height of buttons |
| 08:40.19 | dinosaur_milksha | and wondering how to best get into this stuff |
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| 08:41.16 | cheesecakes | i am a new user from gnome |
| 08:41.27 | dinosaur_milksha | oh cool |
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| 08:41.28 | cheesecakes | i havent figured out a lot of stuff yet :( |
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| 08:42.00 | dinosaur_milksha | they seem to do a better job of whitespace and padding related stuff than kde |
| 08:42.23 | cheesecakes | but kde works more brilliantly on my laptop hence i moved |
| 08:42.29 | dinosaur_milksha | i see |
| 08:42.36 | dinosaur_milksha | yeah, i like kde functionality |
| 08:42.45 | dinosaur_milksha | just have yet to make it look good |
| 08:43.25 | cheesecakes | i have some kinks i need to fix |
| 08:43.48 | cheesecakes | my kinks are more funcionaliry related like getting to unmute properly |
| 08:43.56 | cheesecakes | *functionality |
| 08:44.02 | dinosaur_milksha | i see |
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| 08:44.25 | Jucato | dinosaur_milksha: those settings are determined by what is called the widget style. Oxygen, the KDE default, doesn't really have much to configure in that department, but you can install a style called QtCurve (check your distro's packages) that gives you a lot of knobs to turn. once you've installed it, go to System Settings ->Application Appearance -> Style, and select QtCurve and then click on Configure |
| 08:44.39 | valorie | dinosaur_milksha: we have a team of artists, and I'll bet they would welcome your help |
| 08:44.59 | valorie | the community makes the decisions here, so pitch in and you'll be one of those people |
| 08:45.23 | valorie | or.... listen to Jucato |
| 08:45.26 | valorie | lol |
| 08:45.35 | dinosaur_milksha | cool, thanks |
| 08:45.44 | Jucato | nah nah. don't listen to me. *runs around the room* |
| 08:45.44 | dinosaur_milksha | i've tried fiddling with qtcurve |
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| 08:46.16 | Jucato | dinosaur_milksha: there are a lot of themes on www.kde-look.org for QtCurve for inspiration |
| 08:46.25 | dinosaur_milksha | but assuming i want to keep the oxygen style just add the padding, would i have to change the source code? |
| 08:46.41 | Jucato | unfortunately, yes I think so |
| 08:47.13 | dinosaur_milksha | where can i get that? and is it being actively developed? might they be open to patches that make it more configurable? |
| 08:49.12 | valorie | interesting question |
| 08:49.56 | dinosaur_milksha | i'm still wading through search results but doesn't look too good thus far |
| 08:50.01 | valorie | #kde-artists might be a good place to start |
| 08:50.44 | dinosaur_milksha | oh cool. sounds like that might be a good place to hang out |
| 08:50.51 | Jucato | actively developed: sort of, in the sense that it's a core part of KDE releases, but I think its in maintenance mode right now. in other words, I don't think they are accepting new features, which is what "more configurable" would be |
| 08:51.43 | Jucato | but from what I remember also, I think they made the decision not to make Oxygen too configurable like the way QtCurve is. the two have different goals |
| 08:51.43 | dinosaur_milksha | jucato: i see |
| 08:52.06 | dinosaur_milksha | oh |
| 08:52.38 | Jucato | Oxygen's goal is to deliver a visual identity for KDE 4, so it doesn't make much sense to let users change that and advertise it as Oxygen. QtCurve on the other hand is really made to be themeable |
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| 08:54.34 | Jucato | https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kde-workspace/repository/revisions/master/show/kstyles/oxygen is I think the source code for Oxygen |
| 08:54.56 | dinosaur_milksha | yeah, that makes sense. but changing the padding would be more of a usability thing. actually i think it would be best if there was more padding by default but i don't see pushing that as a realistic option |
| 08:55.29 | dinosaur_milksha | sweet, thanks jucato |
| 08:55.42 | dinosaur_milksha | now just have to spend the next weeks trying to get it to compile |
| 08:55.43 | valorie | become part of the dialog |
| 08:56.04 | valorie | who knows, that might be seen as the finishing touch |
| 08:56.17 | valorie | Nuno rocks |
| 08:56.19 | Jucato | I guess if you could convince them that the padding needs to be fixed, that could still go in |
| 08:56.30 | valorie | he's the only one from the team I've met |
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| 08:57.01 | dinosaur_milksha | ok cool |
| 08:57.02 | valorie | they want usability as well as beauty, of course |
| 08:57.15 | dinosaur_milksha | i'll see what i can do |
| 08:57.16 | Jucato | of course |
| 08:57.20 | Jucato | anyway gtg |
| 08:57.33 | dinosaur_milksha | thanks again |
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| 08:59.19 | Jucato | cheesecakes: sorry, no idea about your double mute-single unmute problem. you can try asking the question again a bit later |
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| 09:00.12 | valorie | cheesecakes: or maybe ask in #kde-multimedia |
| 09:00.25 | valorie | that's where the audio people are |
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| 09:03.47 | cheesecakes | ok cool thanks |
| 09:03.56 | cheesecakes | will try multimedia too |
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| 10:33.45 | leszek | hi |
| 10:34.34 | cheesecakes | hey leszek |
| 10:37.13 | niteshnarayanlal | hi i was trying to clone a repo from http://websvn.kde.org/ |
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| 10:37.50 | niteshnarayanlal | but i am not sure if i need to fill the developer application form for this |
| 10:38.14 | cb400f | you can checkout from anonsvn |
| 10:38.15 | niteshnarayanlal | as i may not be committing any changes as of now |
| 10:38.20 | cb400f | but most stuff is moved to git anyway |
| 10:38.31 | niteshnarayanlal | oh is that so |
| 10:38.40 | niteshnarayanlal | because i am quite new to svn |
| 10:38.50 | niteshnarayanlal | but had used git number of times |
| 10:39.16 | niteshnarayanlal | i need to clone trunk/kdesupport/oxygen-icons |
| 10:39.26 | cb400f | https://projects.kde.org/ |
| 10:39.33 | cb400f | ok, that's still in svn |
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| 10:40.29 | cb400f | so you can just check that out anonymously from anonsvn |
| 10:40.49 | cb400f | of course, if you want to contribute back you'll need "the real thing" |
| 10:41.00 | niteshnarayanlal | yeah true |
| 10:41.02 | cb400f | but worry about that when the time comes |
| 10:41.22 | niteshnarayanlal | but right now i just want to clone it |
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| 10:41.40 | cb400f | in svn lingo it's a "checkout" :-) |
| 10:41.54 | cb400f | cloning is git lingo |
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| 10:43.23 | niteshnarayanlal | yeah :P it happens because in most of daily projects i use git |
| 10:44.22 | niteshnarayanlal | svn co svn+ssh://anonsvn@svn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/kdesupport/oxygen-icons |
| 10:44.30 | niteshnarayanlal | i think this is the right command to use |
| 10:44.41 | niteshnarayanlal | but not sure why i am still getting the same error |
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| 10:46.49 | cb400f | don't think you need +ssh on anonsvn.. that's kinda the point |
| 10:46.57 | cb400f | try 'svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/kdesupport/oxygen-icons/' |
| 10:47.28 | niteshnarayanlal | cb400f, yeap thanks dude :) |
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| 10:48.21 | cb400f | good luck.. it's a friggin' huge repo these days :-) |
| 10:48.50 | niteshnarayanlal | yeah lets it will certainly take some time :) |
| 10:48.58 | niteshnarayanlal | *let see . |
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| 11:42.26 | MarkRS | Where is the Kontact data (all elements) in 4.8.5? |
| 11:42.42 | MarkRS | O need to do a major OS upgrade so I want to backup all my Kontact data first, but can't find it |
| 11:43.09 | MarkRS | despite looking at various Wikis |
| 11:43.18 | MarkRS | http://userbase.kde.org/Kontact for example |
| 11:43.27 | MarkRS | My data is not there |
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| 12:19.02 | doublehp | some PDF open with any PDF reader is fine, but in Karbon, french letters become black stuff; how to fix the issue and get expected chars in Karbon ? |
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| 12:21.05 | Jucato | doublehp: have you tried opening it in Okular? |
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| 12:21.48 | doublehp | no, can't install it |
| 12:22.21 | Jucato | why not? |
| 12:22.35 | Jucato | what are you planning to do with the PDF in karbon? |
| 12:23.28 | doublehp | edit it |
| 12:24.00 | Jucato | ah hm ... I'm not sure Karbon can handle editing PDF's |
| 12:24.09 | doublehp | it does |
| 12:25.06 | Jucato | maybe you could ask in #calligra if there should be something else installed for it to be recognize those letters, but it sounds a bit like missing fonts. not really sure (never tried editing a pdf in Karbon before) |
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| 12:26.59 | doublehp | i have all required locales, but Karbon only seems to handle en_US ... |
| 12:27.18 | doublehp | i don't understand why it refuses to handle en_GB/UK and fr_FR |
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| 12:56.37 | doublehp | Jucato: flpsed is VERY light (below 3M installed), and does the job (add text where I need). |
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| 13:22.40 | bd___ | Hello, what is currently the best Launcher for KDE? I don't like neither Kickoff nor the classic menu |
| 13:22.41 | bd___ | thanks |
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| 13:34.54 | cheesecakes | wb dinosaur_milksha |
| 13:35.14 | dinosaur_milksha | oh hai cheesecakes |
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| 13:35.35 | cheesecakes | have any luck with whitespace ? |
| 13:35.45 | BCMM | can one build and install compiled plasmoids in a per-user way? |
| 13:35.55 | cheesecakes | i totally mis-interpreted your whitespace last time lol |
| 13:36.04 | cheesecakes | i meant black as in theme colors |
| 13:36.13 | dinosaur_milksha | if i understand correctly, it's gonna be about as difficult as things can get |
| 13:36.15 | cheesecakes | and you were saying padding |
| 13:36.28 | dinosaur_milksha | oh yes, padding |
| 13:36.35 | cheesecakes | i use arch so i am used to difficulty |
| 13:36.41 | dinosaur_milksha | hehe |
| 13:36.51 | dinosaur_milksha | yeah, it looks like i'll have to recompile kde |
| 13:37.03 | dinosaur_milksha | so i'm working on getting stuff set up for that |
| 13:37.08 | cheesecakes | what distro do you use ? |
| 13:37.09 | cheesecakes | nice |
| 13:37.26 | dinosaur_milksha | i'm on linux mint |
| 13:37.36 | dinosaur_milksha | just installed it about a week ago |
| 13:37.49 | dinosaur_milksha | years ago i used kubuntu a bit |
| 13:37.56 | dinosaur_milksha | but i'm most familiar with gentoo :D |
| 13:38.05 | dinosaur_milksha | which is... much more time consuming |
| 13:38.16 | cheesecakes | ahh than you are used to compiling |
| 13:38.33 | dinosaur_milksha | oh yes |
| 13:38.40 | Jucato | recompile kde? |
| 13:38.47 | cheesecakes | maybe we should move this to kde-chat (or is it ok if no one else talks here anyway) |
| 13:40.23 | dinosaur_milksha | Jucato: well actually i just want to compile the oxygen theme, but i need all the kde requisites for that, right? i might be going about it wrong though. does that make sense? |
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| 13:41.42 | Jucato | dinosaur_milksha: no, you don't need to recompile anything else except, at most, kde-workspace. everything else you would need would have already been packaged by your distro and is the same version as the version of kde-workspace you are changing |
| 13:42.17 | dinosaur_milksha | oh, ok ^^ |
| 13:42.39 | dinosaur_milksha | i did have a feeling it should be easier |
| 13:42.43 | Jucato | I forgot if there's an APT command for it, but with Fedora/yum for example, "yum-builddep kde-workspace" would install everything that's needed (except gcc-c++) to build kde-workspace (where oxygen is) |
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| 13:43.31 | dinosaur_milksha | oh sweet |
| 13:43.39 | Jucato | then you get the source package for the exact kde-workspace version that matches your system, modify oxygen, etc etc |
| 13:43.42 | dinosaur_milksha | do you know if there's a debian alternative? |
| 13:44.44 | Jucato | "apt-get build-dep" it seems |
| 13:46.50 | dinosaur_milksha | cool |
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| 13:47.13 | dinosaur_milksha | i'm not too fluent with apt |
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| 13:50.36 | Jucato | me neither |
| 13:50.38 | Jucato | at least not anymore |
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| 13:57.30 | dinosaur_milksha | ok cool, that command did a bunch of stuff |
| 13:58.04 | dinosaur_milksha | but cmake is still complaining... no udev. is that the package's fault? like a missing dependency in the config? |
| 13:58.41 | cheesecakes | no udev :O |
| 13:59.04 | cheesecakes | dude that is like the first thing kernel looks for i think |
| 13:59.12 | dinosaur_milksha | that just means the libudev-dev is missing |
| 13:59.20 | dinosaur_milksha | so udev is there but not the development files |
| 13:59.42 | cheesecakes | ahhh |
| 13:59.48 | Jucato | you might want to try to delete CMakeCache.txt and run cmake again. but if it still complains, yeah it's missing -dev stuff |
| 13:59.54 | Jucato | (which should have been pulled in) |
| 14:00.03 | Jucato | where did you get your source for kde-workspace btw? |
| 14:00.18 | dinosaur_milksha | git |
| 14:00.23 | Jucato | um ... |
| 14:00.30 | dinosaur_milksha | http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE_Workspace |
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| 14:01.31 | dinosaur_milksha | i should be using the stable branch i have installed, right? |
| 14:01.34 | Jucato | yes, the problem with that is you got the super latest version of the code, which might not match what your distro has in its packages. |
| 14:01.47 | dinosaur_milksha | oh yeah |
| 14:01.49 | dinosaur_milksha | good point |
| 14:02.31 | Jucato | which might mean (but maybe not in this case) that the latest version introduced new dependencies that the version in your distro doesn't yet need. |
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| 14:02.44 | Jucato | it may not be the case now, but it's still best to use matching versions |
| 14:02.55 | dinosaur_milksha | right |
| 14:03.52 | Jucato | apt-get source <package name> will get you your distro's version of the source code |
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| 14:05.11 | dinosaur_milksha | i'll try that then |
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| 14:05.19 | Jucato | but you can also just switch to the git branch that matches your KDE version |
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| 14:05.57 | dinosaur_milksha | yeah |
| 14:07.21 | dinosaur_milksha | that wouldn't have the distro-specific patches though |
| 14:07.44 | Jucato | hm nope |
| 14:07.59 | dinosaur_milksha | thanks for helping me out btw |
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| 14:08.17 | Jucato | I forgot, but there's supposed to be a command to run after "apt-get source" that would apply the distro patches (which are also downloaded with the source package) |
| 14:08.33 | dinosaur_milksha | i think it got done automatically |
| 14:09.35 | Jucato | ok good |
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| 14:09.55 | Jucato | my packaging knowledge has become rusty |
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| 14:11.17 | cheesecakes | Jucato: what distro do you use ? |
| 14:11.49 | Jucato | fedora |
| 14:11.59 | cheesecakes | cool |
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| 14:29.10 | dinosaur_milksha | ok, so what's the best way to test the new kde-workspace? |
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| 14:34.48 | BluesKaj | Hiyas all |
| 14:36.47 | dinosaur_milksha | hi BluesKaj |
| 14:37.25 | msx | BluesKaj: hey :D |
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| 14:39.10 | BluesKaj | hi dinosaur_milksha , msx |
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| 15:03.06 | daimonion | Anyone having issue with KDE dialogs run from non KDE apps aren't translated? |
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| 15:21.35 | msx | daimonion: no here, did you check the lang packs are installed? |
| 15:21.47 | msx | *not |
| 15:22.26 | msx | daimonion: also it may be worh checking your /etc/locale.conf |
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| 15:27.05 | daimonion | Nope, everything is OK there. |
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| 15:27.28 | daimonion | The fact is that dialogs aren't translated when run from QT apps. |
| 15:27.40 | daimonion | I have this in my console: KGlobal::locale(): Warning your global KLocale is being recreated with a valid main component instead of a fake component, this usually means you tried to call i18n related functions before your main component was created. You should not do that since it most likely will not work |
| 15:28.05 | daimonion | And it apperas that this bug is old at least 3 years: http://qt-project.org/forums/viewthread/7796 |
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| 15:53.47 | dinosaur_milksha | what's the name of the kde-dev channel? |
| 15:56.47 | dinosaur_milksha | oh... there isn't one |
| 15:58.23 | Artakha | dinosaur_milksha, #kde-devel |
| 15:58.41 | dinosaur_milksha | oh thanks |
| 15:58.48 | dinosaur_milksha | weird, it's not on this page though: http://userbase.kde.org/IRC_Channels/ |
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| 16:02.52 | tosky | dinosaur_milksha: it's not a user-oriented channel |
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| 16:16.27 | dinosaur_milksha | i guess |
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| 17:37.28 | ginpb | hi, there is any alternative to kiosktool? |
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| 18:10.27 | ginpb | there is any official tutorial about kiosk mode? |
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| 18:45.23 | camulus | hi are there any good RSS programs besides akregator? |
| 18:45.43 | camulus | akregator wants me to install nepomuk(no go) |
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| 18:55.24 | Sho_ | camulus: Akregator doesn't use Nepomuk |
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| 18:59.17 | camulus | Sho_: than why does it want me to install it? |
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| 19:02.33 | camulus | Sho_: http://pastebin.com/xVpu69sQ |
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| 19:07.33 | Sho_ | camulus: because some of the packages it depends on are libraries that offer a variety of services and some of those do use nepomuk |
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| 19:08.40 | camulus | Sho_: so indirectly it uses nepomuk |
| 19:09.07 | camulus | thats just what i am seeing here |
| 19:09.23 | Sho_ | camulus: No, Akregator doesn't use Nepomuk |
| 19:09.45 | camulus | then there is something wrong with the libraries it depends on |
| 19:09.57 | camulus | they should not install nepomuk |
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| 19:10.43 | Sho_ | camulus: Imagine a library as a store that offers a variety of items that are made from a variety of resources |
| 19:10.56 | Sho_ | camulus: Some of those items may be made out of Nepomuk bits |
| 19:11.05 | Sho_ | camulus: None of the items Akregator uses are |
| 19:11.20 | Sho_ | camulus: But that means the store still buys Nepomuk bits for the customers who want the other items |
| 19:11.33 | camulus | and those bits should have a corresponding config flag for not building them if i dont need them |
| 19:11.43 | Sho_ | camulus: The point is that Akregator has no runtime dependency on Nepomuk, so you don't need to run Nepomuk to run Akregator |
| 19:11.50 | camulus | and if those bits are required by akregator then yes it indirectly uses nepomuk |
| 19:12.01 | Sho_ | If you mind the 2 MB or whatever of diskspace usage though, you can't do anything about that, no |
| 19:12.22 | camulus | nepomuk does a lot more than just use 2MB |
| 19:12.22 | Sho_ | camulus: No, you still didn't understand |
| 19:12.25 | camulus | i do |
| 19:12.28 | camulus | you dont |
| 19:12.39 | Sho_ | camulus: In the distro you are using, Akregator is not the only package that depends on those library packages |
| 19:12.46 | Sho_ | Some of the other packages need the bits that use Nepomuk |
| 19:12.55 | camulus | i only emerge one package |
| 19:12.56 | Sho_ | So the distro can't compile the libs with Nepomuk disabled |
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| 19:13.13 | Sho_ | but "using" is a runtime concept |
| 19:13.19 | Sho_ | And Akregator simply does not use Nepomuk, period |
| 19:13.25 | camulus | [21:11:01] <camulus> and those bits should have a corresponding config flag for not building them if i dont need them |
| 19:13.42 | Sho_ | That's a request for your distro then |
| 19:13.55 | camulus | my distro doesnt deal with config flags thats KDEs job |
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| 19:14.36 | Sho_ | Gentoo exposes them in the form of USE flags |
| 19:14.50 | Sho_ | In fact it has one, USE=semantic-desktop |
| 19:15.07 | Sho_ | Check if you like the deplist better if you disable that one |
| 19:15.19 | camulus | check my paste again... sigh |
| 19:15.22 | camulus | and READ |
| 19:16.14 | Sho_ | I did, and it shows semantic-desktop as enabled |
| 19:16.25 | camulus | BY AKREGATOR |
| 19:16.28 | camulus | sheesh |
| 19:16.47 | camulus | # required by akregator (argument) |
| 19:16.49 | camulus | >=kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.10.2 semantic-desktop |
| 19:16.53 | Sho_ | Ah, ok |
| 19:17.06 | Sho_ | That's a packaging bug then |
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| 19:17.58 | Sho_ | Because again, Akregator has no runtime or build time dependencies on Nepomuk |
| 19:18.09 | camulus | idoes it install widgets? |
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| 19:18.26 | Sho_ | No (and Nepomuk has nothing to do with widgets) |
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| 19:18.55 | Sho_ | http://lxr.kde.org/search?filestring=nepomuk&string=akregator <- no mentions of nepomuk in the akregator codebase |
| 19:19.07 | ginpb | there is any official tutorial about kiosk mode? |
| 19:19.15 | ginpb | or there is any alternative to kiosktool? |
| 19:19.18 | Sho_ | ginpb: The sysadmin section on techbase.kde.org is your best bet |
| 19:19.39 | Sho_ | If there's nothing there the answer is probably "no" |
| 19:19.50 | Sho_ | FWIW, Kiosk hasn't seen a lot of love in the KDE 4 cycle |
| 19:19.52 | camulus | well fix it then kde dev |
| 19:20.21 | ginpb | Sho_: at techbase suggest usign kiosktool |
| 19:20.24 | ginpb | :D |
| 19:20.36 | Sho_ | ginpb: I think kiosktool probably never got ported to KDE 4 or so :/ |
| 19:20.47 | Sho_ | camulus: I'm not a Gentoo dev, I can't fix their packages |
| 19:20.58 | ginpb | Sho_: there is a non finished port |
| 19:21.06 | Juan | I read somewhere it might get some love soon. |
| 19:21.17 | Sho_ | Juan: That would be cool |
| 19:21.32 | Juan | Or was it one of Seigo's videos |
| 19:21.52 | ginpb | now i'm trying to make a kiosk system, and kde apparently is the only one that offer full control over everything |
| 19:21.52 | cb400f | jriddell mentioned it on his post about commercial support for kubuntu |
| 19:22.13 | Juan | Aha |
| 19:22.58 | Sho_ | camulus: http://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/kde-base/akregator/akregator-4.10.2.ebuild?revision=1.4&view=markup <- the akregator ebuild doesn't actually depend on semantic-desktop though, so I still think that dep is introduced lower in the stack |
| 19:23.05 | ginpb | the problem is that the only graphical tool capable to do so is kiosktool |
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| 19:27.13 | camulus | Sho_: kdepim-common-libs wants me to re-install kdepimlibs with semantic-desktop which in turn wants me to install nepomuk |
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| 19:27.44 | Sho_ | camulus: Right I'd have suspected kdepimlibs too, because that's where the glue code is in that feeds email data into Nepomuk I guess |
| 19:28.08 | Sho_ | camulus: But Akregator doesn't use that stuff, so ... you're going to lose some diskspace, but you don't need to run Nepomuk |
| 19:28.52 | Sho_ | camulus: That said, Akregator probably will start using Akonadi and Nepomuk at some point in the future, it just hasn't been ported yet |
| 19:29.07 | camulus | which i want to avoid |
| 19:29.20 | Sho_ | Right now it's very standalone - I think the only reason it even has a kdepimlibs dep might be so it can embed into Kontact |
| 19:29.49 | camulus | but i dont have the kontact use flag on |
| 19:30.25 | Sho_ | well, I can't tell whether Gentoo could allow you to disable more stuff or if the KDE buildsystem won't allow them without doing further research |
| 19:30.40 | Sho_ | I doubt Akregator has a config flag to disable the Kontact dep |
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| 19:31.04 | Sho_ | Since KDE releases modules, and Akregator is part of kdepim, and kde-workspace depends on kdepimlibs too anyway |
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| 19:31.19 | Sho_ | So it's not particularly worth it to put work into making kdepimlibs optional |
| 19:31.40 | Sho_ | s/Kontact dep/kdepimlibs dep/ rather |
| 19:31.47 | camulus | then kde is not worth using |
| 19:31.56 | camulus | might as well go back to windows |
| 19:32.05 | camulus | sheesh |
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| 19:32.09 | Sho_ | Note btw that your fear of Nepomuk is probably for the file indexing part which you don't need to enable for any of this anyway |
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| 19:32.21 | Sho_ | Even mail indexing can be disabled separately |
| 19:32.39 | Sho_ | And Nepomuk can also be switche off entirely - but if you disable the indexing, Nepomuk is pretty lightweight anyway |
| 19:32.40 | camulus | i am using gentoo so i can disable stuff not so i can install stuff i dont need |
| 19:33.13 | Sho_ | yeah, I used Gentoo from 2002-2009 myself |
| 19:34.13 | Sho_ | the "depend on package with a particular USE flag enabled" feature was added fairly recently before I left IIRC |
| 19:34.24 | camulus | is there any alternative to akkregator that does what i want? read RSS feeds? |
| 19:34.54 | Sho_ | No KDE apps I know of at least |
| 19:35.04 | Sho_ | well, there's an RSS reader Plasma widget |
| 19:35.05 | BluesKaj | problem with nepomuk and akonadi is they have so many co-dependencies linked to other apps , it's a trade off we kde users who don't use them have to live with , disabling is the only option |
| 19:36.20 | Sho_ | uses Akregator every day and is mostly happy anyway |
| 19:37.01 | Sho_ | Both on the laptop (where I have Nepomuk disabled) and on the desktop (where I use Nepomuk quite a bit) |
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| 19:40.02 | lord_rob | hi! drag and drop for files doesn't seem to work on my pc :/ debian sid, kde 4.10.2 official. I need to copy paste in order to copy files. Is it a parameter ? |
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| 19:41.56 | lord_rob | it worked with earlier versions anyway |
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| 19:45.53 | camulus | design your desktop software better |
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| 19:47.49 | hein | not arrogant at all :) |
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| 20:32.10 | ginpb | i cannot find information about kiosk mode on kde4 |
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| 20:36.07 | BluesKaj | ginpb, what about matchbox , not sure if that's what you need |
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| 20:36.41 | Greylocks | try here: http://techbase.kde.org/KDE_System_Administration/Kiosk/Introduction |
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| 20:38.13 | Greylocks | or it can be d.loaded here: http://extragear.kde.org/apps/kiosktool/ |
| 20:38.34 | Greylocks | hope that helps :) |
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| 20:42.58 | ginpb | Greylocks: thanks but talk about kde 3.x not 4 |
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| 20:44.08 | ginpb | BluesKaj: matchbox the windows manager? |
| 20:48.03 | BluesKaj | ginpb, i found it in muon under kiosk |
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| 20:53.12 | ginpb | BluesKaj: muon? |
| 20:54.05 | BluesKaj | oh yeah , sorry , whatever package manager your OS uses, ginpb |
| 20:55.10 | ginpb | BluesKaj: ah ok |
| 20:58.00 | ginpb | well apparently the kiosk feature for kde4 are not documented |
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| 21:48.46 | lord_rob | hi! drag and drop for files doesn't seem to work on my pc :/ debian sid, kde 4.10.2 official. I need to copy paste in order to copy files. Is it a parameter ? |
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| 21:58.42 | cb400f | what files? dragging from where? dropping on what? |
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| 22:03.14 | rd13812 | hi in kde i get wrong character for filenames in dolphin but correct one in nautilus. how can i fix this? |
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| 22:14.26 | camulus | rd13812: what distro |
| 22:14.40 | rd13812 | kubuntu 13.04 |
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| 22:20.22 | rd13812 | ? |
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| 22:37.00 | rd13812 | nobody? |
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| 22:47.32 | valorie | rd1 |
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| 23:42.42 | Elminster | It would be useful to place links on the desktop to launch apps that must be started with wine. I've tried setting up a link with the form "wine /path/to/program.exe" in the "command" field of an application link. This fails. Does anyone know how to do it? |
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| 23:56.20 | jovin | Elminster: my wow desktop file looks like this http://pastebin.kde.org/737786/ maybe it helps :) |