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| 02:43.14 | dk0r | I'm on arch using networkmanager. When I try to configure KDE Control Module with a vpnc connection I receive the error: "No agents were available for this request". Any suggestions? |
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| 04:09.32 | AndrewX192 | Keep having a problem on KDE 4.9.5, where my system stops responding to mouse input (everything works via keyboard), but I cannot click on anything. no X events are generated - but the mouse is fine |
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| 04:20.17 | AndrewX192 | I can get access for a few seconds if I right click on the plasma dock |
| 04:20.35 | AndrewX192 | but a few seconds later, it taks away my access and I can only use my keyboard again |
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| 04:34.50 | AndrewX192 | rolled mouse over clock widget, and it ah |
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| 05:47.19 | factor | Anyone kow why or how to get kde kmix to connect to alsa controls |
| 05:47.57 | factor | I reinstalled to 64 bit debian 7.0 and my kde sound (kmix) and wifi plasma controls no longer work. |
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| 05:57.52 | troy | alienBOB: PCM was muted, and not listed in kmix by default... alsamixer fixed it *shrug* |
| 05:58.36 | troy | factor: works for me - but since I spent a bit of today diagnosing an alsa issue, maybe I'll give your issue a shot as well |
| 05:59.05 | troy | factor: first question - can you get sound out of other programs (non kde... eg, vlc) |
| 05:59.33 | factor | sorry was afk |
| 05:59.48 | troy | no worries - I only just responded seconds ago :D |
| 06:00.08 | factor | Yes I have to use alsamixer gui I made an ico for it |
| 06:00.15 | factor | icon^ |
| 06:00.21 | factor | but I cant use kimix |
| 06:00.26 | factor | kmix |
| 06:00.30 | troy | what version of kde? |
| 06:00.56 | factor | was setting up my wobbly windows. |
| 06:01.01 | factor | hold on |
| 06:01.08 | troy | haha, okay :D |
| 06:01.51 | factor | kde 4.8.4 |
| 06:02.23 | troy | when you use a kde app to play sound, does it work? |
| 06:02.36 | factor | will try amarok , but let see |
| 06:02.48 | troy | dragon works for a quick check (don't have to index anything) |
| 06:04.23 | factor | yes amarok does , I had to use alsamixergui to hear it though |
| 06:04.39 | troy | hrm |
| 06:04.57 | factor | kmix wont even start |
| 06:05.02 | troy | I have kde 4.10.0 installed, and kmix has changed quite a bit since then |
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| 06:05.17 | troy | okay, start kmix from a console and put the logs up on pastebin |
| 06:05.31 | factor | QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave. |
| 06:05.39 | factor | thatis the commandline error I guet |
| 06:05.41 | factor | get^ |
| 06:05.46 | troy | that's the only error? |
| 06:05.58 | factor | on the commandline yes |
| 06:06.14 | factor | get it twice then it ends |
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| 06:06.26 | troy | I just started kmix here, and it gives me that message twice as well, and functions correctly |
| 06:06.36 | factor | i pulled all the pulse audio stuff out |
| 06:06.44 | factor | ok |
| 06:06.47 | troy | I don't have that either (slackware) |
| 06:07.05 | factor | I may not have tasks on |
| 06:07.08 | troy | after I get that error twice, I get a bunch of lines like this: |
| 06:07.10 | troy | QDBusConnection for control created "/Mixers/ALSA__HDA_Intel_MID_1/Master_0" |
| 06:07.13 | factor | hold so i can see it in my tray |
| 06:07.27 | factor | I dont get them |
| 06:08.01 | troy | do you have a custom /etc/asound.conf or similar? |
| 06:08.24 | factor | seemsnot |
| 06:08.39 | factor | let me see if I did, I have my old hard drive attached |
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| 06:09.47 | troy | other thing to check... can you try moving ~/.kde/share/config/kmix* someplace else? (I'd say to delete them, but then you don't have a backup of the settings if you care to restore them) |
| 06:10.57 | factor | the only backend I have is vlc |
| 06:11.10 | factor | everything set to analog as it should be as first chocie |
| 06:11.14 | troy | that's fine - that's the one I use too |
| 06:12.21 | factor | ok its working |
| 06:12.32 | factor | and i added system tray and its shwoing up |
| 06:12.46 | troy | high fives himself |
| 06:12.47 | factor | working perfect now |
| 06:12.50 | factor | :) |
| 06:12.50 | troy | which one was the fix? |
| 06:12.59 | factor | i love smooth tasks as well . |
| 06:13.05 | factor | just had it and not system tray |
| 06:13.12 | troy | oh, hah! |
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| 06:13.46 | troy | oh, I think I understand |
| 06:14.06 | troy | because it was already running (but not visible), starting again from the command line did nothing |
| 06:14.09 | factor | but wifi plasma widget is not working. , I wonder what network add is getting in its way |
| 06:14.38 | troy | factor: does debian use networkmanager to manage the network connections? |
| 06:14.42 | factor | Do you use the kde wifi plasma widget for network management |
| 06:14.55 | factor | /etc/networking/ |
| 06:15.00 | troy | yep, but on slackware, you need to enable networkmanager first (and disable the manual networking) |
| 06:15.12 | factor | recall all sorts of versions like avahi or something |
| 06:15.27 | factor | but I have networkmanager-kde installed |
| 06:15.40 | troy | it needs a daemon running in the background to speak to |
| 06:15.45 | troy | make sure it's running |
| 06:15.59 | factor | /etc/network/intefaces |
| 06:16.28 | troy | for me I see /usr/sbin/NetworkManager in my process table |
| 06:16.32 | troy | that's what KDE requires |
| 06:16.40 | troy | or the applet won't work |
| 06:16.46 | factor | wireless-tools made the interfaces config file |
| 06:16.54 | factor | ok |
| 06:17.03 | factor | looking |
| 06:17.19 | factor | i have that |
| 06:17.35 | factor | but you said its running in your ps table |
| 06:17.40 | troy | yep |
| 06:18.00 | factor | root 3167 0.0 0.0 158184 5700 ? Ssl Feb16 0:00 /usr/sbin/NetworkManager |
| 06:18.18 | factor | seems to be running. |
| 06:18.20 | troy | root 2188 0.0 0.1 244872 6428 ? Ssl Feb16 0:09 /usr/sbin/NetworkManager |
| 06:18.24 | troy | looks similar, yep :D |
| 06:18.45 | factor | when I open the network plasma widget it says wireless <hidden network> |
| 06:18.57 | factor | unmanaged |
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| 06:19.21 | troy | mine shows that as the first entry, plus like 35 others (big apartment building - lots of neighbours :D) |
| 06:19.41 | troy | or, neighbors, if you're a yankee :D |
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| 06:19.57 | troy | let me see |
| 06:20.24 | factor | heh |
| 06:20.40 | factor | not to many out in the woods , but 1 or 2 sometimes |
| 06:21.29 | troy | okay - not quite sure - going to think for a minute |
| 06:22.37 | troy | if you go to the command line and run 'nm-tool', does it list all your wireless access points? |
| 06:22.47 | factor | that is fine , I will see what i can do , having sound control back is a big plus |
| 06:23.50 | factor | troy, will work on it later on after work. just woke up to fix what i could |
| 06:24.07 | troy | haha, okay... |
| 06:24.28 | factor | it can wait , it works. Just cant reinit when it goes awry. |
| 06:25.03 | factor | I think its just some default debian control , I have to disable and let kde take over. |
| 06:25.16 | troy | more likely it's networkmanager you need to let take over |
| 06:25.24 | factor | yup |
| 06:25.26 | troy | kde just talks to it over dbus... doesn't actually do anything itself :D |
| 06:25.45 | factor | Yes kde works well with IPC |
| 06:25.47 | troy | okay, have fun at work :D |
| 06:25.54 | factor | dcop now dbus working well |
| 06:26.09 | factor | dbus is nice for controlling things by commandline |
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| 06:28.00 | factor | hcan I add active desktop back grounds |
| 06:28.02 | factor | can^ |
| 06:28.20 | troy | I think plasma does that.. lemme check |
| 06:28.44 | factor | thatis what i thought, used to have superkaramba, but thought kde had it all as well |
| 06:29.00 | troy | right click on desktop, bring up the dialog where you set the desktop background |
| 06:29.12 | factor | yes looking at it |
| 06:29.17 | troy | somewhere on the top will be a dropdown that says Image - change that to something more entertaining |
| 06:29.40 | troy | I have 4.10 so I might have newer things, but I get animated background, a globe, etc. |
| 06:29.41 | factor | Was wondering if kde had a way to add options to this list |
| 06:29.56 | factor | Ye si have that |
| 06:30.02 | troy | factor: well, I'm not sure how easy it is, but the whole of plasma is modular |
| 06:30.41 | factor | looks like 4.9 added animated wallpaper |
| 06:30.47 | factor | I have 4.8.4 currently |
| 06:31.40 | troy | yeah - on 4.10 there's three animations to choose from, but no super obvious way to add more easily |
| 06:31.53 | troy | it's kind of distracting... keeps changing colours :D |
| 06:32.16 | troy | there's a really funny 'ascii animals' animation :D |
| 06:32.30 | factor | looks like you can make mplayer the widget for the background |
| 06:33.09 | factor | ok thanks , see about getting back to sleep |
| 06:33.13 | troy | hahaha |
| 06:33.20 | troy | it's not even midnight here |
| 06:33.29 | troy | okay, ciao |
| 06:33.50 | factor | :) |
| 06:34.40 | factor | desktop layout is pretty cool. leading into the touch screen type layouts |
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| 07:19.38 | Zanny | It's been a month and I haven't had any major breaks in 4.10. So excellent release! Improvements, nothing wrong, just putting out some kudos for a good job on my end. |
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| 08:52.37 | krion | hi |
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| 08:59.31 | tcb | moin |
| 09:01.26 | tcb | would it be possible to add "reverse sort" and a "filter by date" to the folderview plasmoid? |
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| 09:14.24 | Moviuro | hi all! Is there a KDE integrated IDE for java ? |
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| 11:03.00 | ZorroT | gpg in kmail is not prompting for a passphrase, simply refusing to decrypt mail with the result of "bad passphrase" |
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| 11:04.01 | undead_Ramchandr | ZorroT: run kmail from cmd and give output |
| 11:05.53 | ZorroT | undead_Ramchandr: nothing relevant. QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connectionc reated before QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave, warnings about font config and Hspell hebrew dictionary sizes. |
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| 11:09.58 | ZorroT | i found two references to the bug, both quite old (2007) |
| 11:10.07 | ZorroT | but the fixes... didn't. |
| 11:11.00 | ZorroT | ( https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136676 ) |
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| 11:34.50 | BluesKaj | Hey all |
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| 12:29.23 | Dyrvere | Can't I use a fully fledged window menu instead of window title? |
| 12:31.30 | rindolf | Dyrvere: hi. |
| 12:31.35 | rindolf | Dyrvere: right click. |
| 12:31.41 | rindolf | Dyrvere: what is your theme? |
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| 12:32.40 | Dyrvere | Oxygen Window&Border with Oxygen-Genesis plasma. |
| 12:35.32 | Dyrvere | There should be a menu row style that replaces Window title with the menu. :p |
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| 13:18.56 | Psi|4ward | Hey everyone |
| 13:19.35 | Psi|4ward | Updated to KDE 4.10 and now my whole desktop looks blurred (catalyst prop driver, opengl, raster) |
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| 13:24.29 | Mamarok | Psi|4ward: disable the blur in the desktop effects? |
| 13:24.39 | Mamarok | and use the free driver, Catalyst sucks |
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| 13:26.49 | Psi|4ward | Mamarok: i need catalyst to get 3 screens working with spaned desktop |
| 13:27.27 | Psi|4ward | Mamarok: i ve not one desktop effect activated |
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| 13:28.41 | Mamarok | dit you at least try the free driver with KDE 4.10.0 before dismissing it as not working? KWin now supports OpenGL, so it should just work |
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| 13:29.12 | Psi|4ward | its because the eyefinity technics |
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| 13:30.04 | Psi|4ward | it really seems a bug in OpenGL, XRendr compsiting renders everything sharp |
| 13:30.45 | Mamarok | oh well, make a bug report. But you will get the same remarks as I did, use the open driver, at least give it a shot |
| 13:31.08 | Psi|4ward | ill over to try |
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| 13:52.27 | Psi|4ward | Mamarok: seems to work perfect with readeon! |
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| 14:01.15 | Mamarok | told you so :) |
| 14:01.30 | Eliatrope | why does Arch recommend this? "and uncomment the following line // sql_mode=strict_trans_tables" |
| 14:01.31 | Eliatrope | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/KDE#Configuring_Akonadi_to_use_MySQL_Server_running_on_the_System |
| 14:01.52 | Mamarok | I don't know, ask them? |
| 14:02.20 | Mamarok | or ask in #kontact, they might know |
| 14:02.28 | Eliatrope | Mamarok, you think creating mysql-local isn't necessary? |
| 14:02.40 | Eliatrope | mysql-local.conf* |
| 14:02.43 | Mamarok | Eliatrope: I don't know, didn't I just say that? |
| 14:02.52 | Eliatrope | ok |
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| 14:22.47 | Furquan | How can I contribute? |
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| 14:25.36 | Furquan | I wanna help in developing applications |
| 14:25.50 | Furquan | But don't know how to do it? |
| 14:26.00 | invariant | Furquan, the process for contribution is documented. |
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| 14:26.38 | Furquan | What prior knowledge is required |
| 14:26.41 | BluesKaj | Furquan, you can ask in #kde-devel |
| 14:26.47 | Furquan | ? |
| 14:26.54 | invariant | Furquan, there are various languages you use, but C++ is used for the core things, which means you need to essentially already be a skilled programmer to contribute in a meaningful way. |
| 14:27.24 | invariant | Furquan, the typical way to get started is to find stuff that annoys you and send patches for that. |
| 14:27.39 | BluesKaj | just click on the # and thee channel will open |
| 14:27.41 | Furquan | Hmmm... |
| 14:29.40 | ahiemstra | Furquan: this might help: http://techbase.kde.org/Contribute#Getting_Started_with_Coding |
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| 14:33.09 | Mamarok | Furquan: read the KDE guide: http://flossmanuals.net/kde-guide/ |
| 14:33.43 | Furquan | Thanks all of you |
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| 14:34.28 | Mamarok | then head over to the junior Jobs (the links are in techbase) and look at the code, just don't ask people to tell you what do do on ever line, if you can code you should be able to figure out that on your own, Junior Jobs are low hanign fruits |
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| 16:18.55 | Okitain | Does anyone use lightdm? |
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| 16:19.09 | muep | quite certainly someone uses it |
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| 16:19.38 | Okitain | Well, I'm not quite abstract with the question. |
| 16:20.19 | Sho_ | I've seen some folks trying lightdm-kde, yeah ... haven't tried it myself yet |
| 16:20.53 | Okitain | For some reason, it resets to what seems like gtk-greeter for me. |
| 16:20.59 | Sho_ | Okitain: the lightdm-kde dev tells me there's a #kde-lightdm |
| 16:21.06 | Okitain | oooh. |
| 16:21.47 | Sho_ | unless it's a front for, say, my little pony discussion it sounds like you might have a higher chance of success there |
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| 16:24.28 | dtruby | Anyone know how to stop the screen from locking when laptop lid is shut and an external monitor is plugged in? This would be a minor annoyance but because if this it locks every time I switch activity as well :'( |
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| 16:40.12 | Paddy_NI | More people should use KDE |
| 16:40.55 | Paddy_NI | I wonder if a survey has ever been carried out on KDE developers and which distros they primarily use |
| 16:41.38 | Paddy_NI | I would like to know what distro presents the most accurate representaion of KDE from the developers point of view |
| 16:42.56 | Sho_ | Paddy_NI: A lot of developers compile KDE themselves of course, so the distro isn't necessarily directly relevant to their KDE experience |
| 16:43.18 | Paddy_NI | Oh.. I suppose that's a good point |
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| 16:43.26 | Sho_ | Paddy_NI: Beyond that, as a KDE dev, I can't say I've detected any trend of any one distro having a particular hold over the dev community |
| 16:43.33 | Paddy_NI | what about package management? |
| 16:43.41 | Sho_ | Paddy_NI: Lots of Kubuntu, Debian, Fedora, openSUSE, Gentoo, Arch, .. |
| 16:44.18 | Paddy_NI | Yeah I switched back to KDE this year when I installed OpenSUSE 12.2.. |
| 16:44.30 | Paddy_NI | So far I really cannot believe how I did without KDE |
| 16:44.44 | Sho_ | I'm on Fedora myself |
| 16:45.04 | Paddy_NI | Oh nice.. It's been a while since I have used Fedora |
| 16:45.24 | Sho_ | and previously I was on Gentoo |
| 16:45.40 | Paddy_NI | Gentoo and Arch both have my curiosity |
| 16:45.56 | Paddy_NI | Gentoo however has had it much longer |
| 16:46.11 | Sho_ | I used Gentoo for seven years actually |
| 16:46.18 | Paddy_NI | Wow! |
| 16:46.27 | Sho_ | on Fedora since 2009 |
| 16:46.28 | Paddy_NI | What made you make the switch away? |
| 16:46.52 | BluesKaj | I ran ran opensude 12.2 for a while , it's nice and stable with kde |
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| 16:47.03 | BluesKaj | err opensuse |
| 16:47.16 | Paddy_NI | Yeah I really like it |
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| 16:47.25 | Sho_ | You could say bad conscience, in a way ... I realized that with the improvements in power management, the source-based approach of compiling everything on the leaf nodes instead of centrally on the distro buidl infrastructure is systematically less energy-efficient |
| 16:47.36 | Sho_ | That nagged me, so I decided to go to a binary distro |
| 16:47.45 | Sho_ | Otherwise Gentoo is a very nice system for what it does, thoguh |
| 16:47.47 | Sho_ | *though |
| 16:47.50 | Paddy_NI | Oh well that's a good reason |
| 16:48.12 | BluesKaj | Paddy_NI, I also ran arch to see what the fuss was all about , but I couldn't find anything to fuss over :) |
| 16:48.19 | Paddy_NI | :-) |
| 16:49.06 | Paddy_NI | I guess Gentoo has my interest simply to increase my knowledge with compiling software and generally learning linux |
| 16:49.24 | Paddy_NI | The hand book looks really nice |
| 16:49.24 | Sho_ | Actually Fedora and Arch were the two binary distros I was trying to decide between when I left Gentoo, but Arch had some obvious problems to me back then like the lack of debug symbol packages |
| 16:49.28 | BluesKaj | testing kubuntu 13.04 atm ...quite stable so far |
| 16:49.29 | Sho_ | dunno if that has been fixed since |
| 16:49.53 | Sho_ | Paddy_NI: Oh yeah, Gentoo is very nice in teaching system-level stuff |
| 16:50.08 | Paddy_NI | BluesKaj: I often wonder how KDE performance differs between Kubuntu and other distros |
| 16:50.44 | Okitain | Paddy_NI: Some people say Ubuntu can't cook KDE well. |
| 16:50.46 | BluesKaj | Paddy_NI, can't say I've really noticed much diff |
| 16:50.49 | Paddy_NI | Sho_: I have a Nexus 7 which would be nice to house the Gentoo Hand Book on.. all I need is time :_) |
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| 16:51.56 | Paddy_NI | Ever since I have tried OpenSUSE KDE I have noticed a dramatic improvement in the overall KDE experience |
| 16:51.59 | Sho_ | ah yeah, I have a Nexus 7 too |
| 16:53.00 | Paddy_NI | Sho_: Yeah I believe it is completely necessary to have another internet connected device when experimenting on your main computer |
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| 16:53.38 | Paddy_NI | Sho_: Gentoo will break my brain I am sure but with a Nexus 7 on stand by I will be able to dig myself out |
| 16:53.41 | Sho_ | certainly comes in handy, didn't have a tablet back in 2002 tho :) |
| 16:53.48 | BluesKaj | Paddy_NI, i lked opensuse a lot , but I'm commited to testing on Kubuntu 13.04 and ran out of room on the HDD ..too many OS s |
| 16:54.15 | Paddy_NI | BluesKaj: I yeah I used to have that problem when I distro hopped on a near weekly basis |
| 16:54.39 | Sho_ | my distrohopping time actually ended with Gentoo |
| 16:54.39 | BluesKaj | some ppl say trying to compile gentoo is like wearing a hair shirt :) |
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| 16:54.42 | Paddy_NI | I have since made myself stick with a distro for as long as I can |
| 16:54.46 | Sho_ | it wars the first I liked enough to stick with it |
| 16:54.55 | Sho_ | *was |
| 16:55.21 | Paddy_NI | I love the idea of having something compiled specifically to my hardware |
| 16:56.02 | Paddy_NI | But I will be sticking with OpenSUSE until I feel adventurous enough |
| 16:56.05 | Sho_ | well, I liked the bottom-up approach of the handbook taking you through installing a very minimal system and then progessively adding to that, because it taught you what you actually had installed and how things fit together |
| 16:56.21 | Sho_ | nowadays I emulate that with Fedora by installing a minimal system with the netinstall ISO first |
| 16:56.26 | Sho_ | so my Gentoo ways haven't quite left me |
| 16:56.30 | Paddy_NI | Sho_: That is definitely a major appeal for me |
| 16:56.40 | Paddy_NI | Sho_: Ah I see :_) |
| 16:57.12 | BluesKaj | my linux chops aren't ready for the likes of gentoo , but I'm looking into apt-build with some friends who are contemplating another debian based OS |
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| 16:57.51 | Paddy_NI | BluesKaj: That sounds interesting.. I must admit I do miss apt massively |
| 16:58.05 | Paddy_NI | getting used to zypper is not easy |
| 16:58.15 | Sho_ | how so? |
| 16:58.28 | Sho_ | been a while since I used zypper, and then only lightly, but seemed ok |
| 16:58.44 | Paddy_NI | Sho_: Oh I guess things like package name completion when trying to install something |
| 16:58.54 | Sho_ | ah |
| 16:59.09 | BluesKaj | i thought zypper was ok , I even managed to create some aliases for the update and upgrades |
| 16:59.22 | Sho_ | I used to run openSUSE in my laptop for about half a year or so, probably around 2006 or 2007 |
| 16:59.29 | Paddy_NI | Sho_: Or being able to grab the source effortlessly "apt-get source package_name" |
| 16:59.41 | Sho_ | but I had problems with KDE upgrades and some rather unhappy support experiences in their channels, so I dropped it again |
| 16:59.55 | Paddy_NI | BluesKaj: Yeah I am sure zypper is great I just have the old habits |
| 17:00.26 | Paddy_NI | Sho_: that's a good reason to drop any distro |
| 17:00.46 | Paddy_NI | One simply needs someone to turn to for help every now and then |
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| 17:01.20 | Paddy_NI | can be extremely fatiguing |
| 17:01.31 | Paddy_NI | *otherwise |
| 17:01.43 | BluesKaj | Sho_, agreed , found the suse support chans full juvey attitudes and converstion , not nuch help/support there |
| 17:01.49 | Sho_ | Their KDE upgrades at the time were in unsupported add-on repositories and of relatively shoddy quality, and when I asked for help I got rather brusque replies along the lines of "stick to the DVD if you can't handle it" |
| 17:02.11 | Paddy_NI | lol... yeah I absolutely detest that attitude |
| 17:02.21 | Sho_ | And they had ~18 months release cycles at the time while KDE released every 6-8, so I felt there was a legitimate demand for KDE upgrades |
| 17:02.24 | BluesKaj | not much support rather |
| 17:02.31 | Sho_ | Anyway, they've changed quite a bit since then I'm sure |
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| 17:02.58 | Paddy_NI | Sho_: They now have a semi-rolling release called "tumbleweed" |
| 17:03.11 | BluesKaj | Sho_, I'm talking about 6 weeks ago |
| 17:03.17 | Paddy_NI | and a few more irc channels with some pleasant people lately |
| 17:03.31 | Sho_ | ah, rolling is nice (-> Gentoo), tho Fedora comes close |
| 17:03.38 | Paddy_NI | #opensuse-kde is a good channel |
| 17:04.05 | Paddy_NI | Aptosid seems very interesting also |
| 17:04.33 | Paddy_NI | rolling releases will definitely be the future for linux |
| 17:04.46 | Paddy_NI | eventually that is |
| 17:05.34 | Paddy_NI | There is chatter among most communities regarding the possibilities |
| 17:06.37 | Okitain | Paddy_NI: as soon as we have infinite devs, that is. |
| 17:06.52 | Paddy_NI | lol.. yeah I guess that is an issue |
| 17:07.04 | Okitain | Or no more than 3 major distributions. |
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| 17:07.25 | Neuhristide | Hi ! |
| 17:07.25 | Sho_ | I wouldn't say that rolling requires more manpower, actually |
| 17:07.31 | Paddy_NI | Okitain: I do like the future possibilities that services like "Flattr" present |
| 17:08.07 | Okitain | Sho_: new versions of everything mean needed rigorious testing. |
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| 17:09.15 | Okitain | Which needs either manpower or slow, slow update cycles. |
| 17:09.21 | Paddy_NI | Okitain: How does Arch manage? |
| 17:09.28 | Paddy_NI | and Chakra? |
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| 17:09.53 | Sho_ | but 'new versions of everything' is actually what a big rollup release approximates, wheras rolling is a series of smaller changes over time |
| 17:09.54 | Paddy_NI | I legitimately wonder |
| 17:10.09 | Sho_ | the testing approach usually is to have a firehose branch that testers sample frquently enough |
| 17:10.09 | Okitain | Paddy_NI: and Deb-unstable, and Mga-cauldron... |
| 17:10.40 | Okitain | They mostly rely on the mantra that everything can break. |
| 17:10.51 | Paddy_NI | I guess it depends how it is spit up |
| 17:10.57 | Okitain | (At least Arch is notorious for that.) |
| 17:11.02 | Paddy_NI | What gets updated and when |
| 17:11.15 | Okitain | Gentoo says that everything is in the users' hands. |
| 17:11.18 | Okitain | Etc. |
| 17:11.19 | Paddy_NI | perhaps the kernel could be every 6 months |
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| 17:11.52 | Sho_ | the kernel is actually relatively unlikely to break things these days |
| 17:12.00 | Paddy_NI | Oh |
| 17:12.12 | TheKing | I got a problem with the bouncing ball. |
| 17:12.18 | Paddy_NI | Things are less coupled |
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| 17:13.26 | TheKing | It went below the screen. |
| 17:13.36 | Paddy_NI | I must admit my heart sank when I heard that Mandriva was sinking... My first installed linux OS was Mandrake 10.1 |
| 17:13.50 | Sho_ | my first distro was Corel Linux |
| 17:13.56 | Okitain | Paddy_NI: Well, they split. |
| 17:13.56 | Sho_ | a strange freak of history, that one .. |
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| 17:14.08 | Paddy_NI | Is Mageia any where near as good? |
| 17:14.28 | Paddy_NI | Sho_: Corel Linux.. I must look that up |
| 17:14.34 | Okitain | Paddy_NI: Using 3-Beta - it's snappy. |
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| 17:14.42 | Paddy_NI | :-D |
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| 17:15.01 | Paddy_NI | Okitain: They split.. how so..? |
| 17:15.02 | Okitain | There is mageia, there is rosa and there is openmandriva. |
| 17:15.09 | Sho_ | Paddy_NI: Remnants of Corel Linux later turned into Xandros |
| 17:15.12 | Paddy_NI | I thought it was money |
| 17:15.31 | Okitain | openmandriva is dead on arrival. |
| 17:15.39 | Okitain | Mageia is flourishing. |
| 17:16.18 | Okitain | ROSA is done by Russian devs with money from the government, so it's kind of exotic. |
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| 17:17.39 | Paddy_NI | Okitain: That makes me happy knowing that the extremely high quality that Mandrake/Mandriva brought to linux is still alive |
| 17:18.08 | Paddy_NI | I guess it's because it was my first installation of linux |
| 17:18.16 | Paddy_NI | made me switch completely |
| 17:18.55 | Okitain | Paddy_NI: I'm kind of wondering if there's any other distro that doesn't suck. |
| 17:19.02 | Paddy_NI | lol |
| 17:19.25 | Paddy_NI | then we would have nothing left to fix.. that would be boring |
| 17:19.46 | Paddy_NI | innovation would be stagnant |
| 17:20.07 | Sho_ | is quite happy with Fedora on the not-sucking front |
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| 17:20.29 | Paddy_NI | I like the "Why Linux Sucks" videos |
| 17:20.33 | Paddy_NI | *On youtube |
| 17:20.34 | Okitain | We still have graphics drivers. |
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| 17:20.55 | Paddy_NI | Okitain: Well with the introduction of steam that should rapidly change |
| 17:21.13 | Paddy_NI | remember wifi issues |
| 17:21.23 | Okitain | Paddy_NI: Yep, any second now. |
| 17:21.23 | Okitain | Still waiting for the thing to run on my laptop. |
| 17:21.52 | Paddy_NI | Thankfully gone.. I get more wifi troubles doing windows installations than *anywhere* else |
| 17:22.10 | Paddy_NI | Okitain: lol.. I installed it last night |
| 17:22.24 | Sho_ | my TV tuner card works fine on Linux, and not at all on Windows because there are no 64 bit drivers for it .. |
| 17:22.40 | Paddy_NI | works beautifully on OpenSUSE.. I actually stopped playing games a few years ago |
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| 17:22.46 | Paddy_NI | But I could not resist |
| 17:23.05 | Paddy_NI | it is a landmark for linux after all |
| 17:23.18 | Paddy_NI | Sho_: Nasty |
| 17:24.49 | Sho_ | actually has Steam open right now |
| 17:25.16 | Paddy_NI | I'm going to check it out for a few minutes to see what is available |
| 17:26.16 | Sho_ | I seem to have 39 Linux games in it |
| 17:26.38 | Paddy_NI | O_o |
| 17:26.39 | Okitain | holy. |
| 17:26.48 | Paddy_NI | what the hell.. really? |
| 17:27.11 | Sho_ | lots of indie stuff picked up for cheap via the humble bundle sales etc. |
| 17:27.16 | Sho_ | http://wstaw.org/m/2013/02/17/plasma-desktopEP1134.png |
| 17:27.17 | Paddy_NI | is installing Half-Life :-D |
| 17:27.33 | Sho_ | yeah I did that earlier :) |
| 17:27.40 | Paddy_NI | Sho_: Excellent |
| 17:27.49 | Paddy_NI | Sho_: X3!! |
| 17:28.01 | Paddy_NI | oh dear my marriage is going to suffer |
| 17:28.05 | Sho_ | yeah, has a Linux beta as of two-three weeks ago or so |
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| 17:30.31 | Paddy_NI | Sho_: When you play a game on steam do you disable desktop effects> |
| 17:30.35 | Paddy_NI | *? |
| 17:30.43 | Sho_ | Paddy_NI: Not usually no |
| 17:30.47 | Paddy_NI | would it be wise to? |
| 17:31.14 | Sho_ | Well it does make for some overhead, but with most of these games it should be totally negligible |
| 17:31.30 | Paddy_NI | Excellent :-) |
| 17:31.34 | kaasinees | hi guys in qt-creator i am trying to push to git but i get an error 'error: cannot run ssh-askpass: No such file or directory' what do i do? |
| 17:33.20 | Sho_ | I have to say I had some negative experiences with Steam on Linux though, though in some sense it is sort of my own fault for using it on Fedora instead of the distro it was made for |
| 17:33.54 | Sho_ | For example, the executable of The Book of Unwritten Tales is actually a shell script that tries to do apt* calls to install necessary dependencies, which of course can't work on Fedora |
| 17:34.06 | Sho_ | When I modified that shell script to comment out those calls, the game ran fine |
| 17:34.23 | Sho_ | I am hoping Valve will give devs some guidelines to use to avoid distro-specific stuff like that |
| 17:35.27 | Paddy_NI | Oh dear that does sound nasty |
| 17:35.41 | Paddy_NI | But I guess they cannot make it for every distro at once |
| 17:35.48 | Paddy_NI | this will take time :-) |
| 17:36.02 | Sho_ | Valve seems quite open to help make it work on other distros though |
| 17:36.07 | Sho_ | so we'll see how it develops ove time |
| 17:37.11 | Sho_ | (great game btw ;) |
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| 17:38.32 | Paddy_NI | I shall make note of that game at once :-D |
| 17:39.10 | Sho_ | if you like adventure games, it's really excellent |
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| 17:41.07 | yacc | Stupid question, but my browsers seem to have "forgotten" stored passwords the moment I've switched from Gnome to KDE? |
| 17:41.41 | ompaul | yacc: eh no - unless you changed the home directory for these browsers |
| 17:41.48 | ompaul | yacc: you must use the same browser |
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| 17:42.38 | yacc | ompaul: No I did not, but chromium asked for KWallet while filling in the relevant form, which suggests to me, that the data might be still in the GNOME equivalent of KWallet? |
| 17:43.24 | yacc | ompaul, OTOH, I did upgrade from Ubuntu 10.04LTS to 12.04LTS (which prompted the KDE switch, Unity is real crap), ... |
| 17:44.22 | yacc | And chromium still knows it's configuration it misses the form fillin :( |
| 17:45.43 | Paddy_NI | ompaul: :-) |
| 17:46.38 | ompaul | yacc: if you used to do stuff in gnome the same passwords should apply - but frankly what ubuntu does in it's upgrade to wallets is a question you should ask them |
| 17:46.56 | ompaul | because unity is not default anywhere else and it might have done something simple or not |
| 17:47.39 | ompaul | waves at Paddy_NI |
| 17:48.07 | roasted | Hello friends! |
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| 17:48.35 | yacc | ompaul, solved it, seahorse does allow to access the keyring and the relevant data is there, ... :) |
| 17:48.46 | roasted | I just noticed something a little strange. In Dolphin (KDE 4.10, Kubuntu 12.04) if I right click a file on my samba share and hit move to trash, it says access denied (I own the file, 755 perms). If I highlight it and hit delete (which is the key for move to trash) it works fine. Eh??? |
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| 17:51.35 | yacc | Now that leaves the question how to clone the information from gnome-keyring into kwallet? |
| 17:54.23 | ompaul | yacc: can you turn off the gnome-keyring |
| 17:54.31 | ompaul | then work out the other |
| 17:55.04 | Okitain | AFAIK, there is no way to import that? |
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| 17:57.31 | yacc | ompaul, well, I can extract the stuff via Python script, but there seems to be a keyring library for python that supports a number of keyring libraries, including gnome keyring and kwallet :) |
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| 17:59.53 | Shalok_Shalom | Hi there ! |
| 18:00.24 | Shalok_Shalom | I wnat to ask, why kde 4 is more resource intensive than a e17/rqt q with kde apps and kwin ? |
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| 18:02.51 | roasted | hello |
| 18:04.23 | Shalok_Shalom | roasted: hi |
| 18:04.30 | roasted | hello |
| 18:04.43 | Shalok_Shalom | why kde 4 is more resource intensive than a e17/rqt q with kde apps and kwin ? |
| 18:04.58 | SonikkuAmerica | Shalok_Shalom: Good question. |
| 18:05.14 | roasted | E17 is pretty bare bones in comparison to KDE, iirc. |
| 18:05.44 | SonikkuAmerica | roasted: Yep, it is. Also, it uses flat X rather than a separate desktop manager. |
| 18:05.52 | SonikkuAmerica | !e |
| 18:06.10 | SonikkuAmerica | Ah, I'll just copy it from the *buntu channel factoid |
| 18:06.31 | SonikkuAmerica | According to ubottu, "Enlightenment (or "E") is a window manager for X, providing a useful, and good looking graphical shell in which to work. E17 is the current development version." |
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| 18:07.11 | SonikkuAmerica | This is more of a #kde-chat question though. |
| 18:07.34 | elena-IK | hi there. I want to bind the "Present Windows" desktop effect to a mouse button, but the custom keybinding field only accepts keyboard keys. now what? |
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| 18:08.50 | heath | i can print a test page, but when i go to print in okular, nothing happens |
| 18:08.53 | Shalok_Shalom | SonikkuAmerica: E17 is a full DE with own libs |
| 18:09.03 | heath | anyone have experience with something like this? |
| 18:09.17 | SonikkuAmerica | Shalok_Shalom: I know that (I've used it before) |
| 18:10.10 | heath | E [17/Feb/2013:12:07:44 -0600] [cups-driverd] Bad driver information file "/usr/share/cups/model/samsung/cms/CLP-510cms2"! |
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| 18:10.55 | SonikkuAmerica | heath: Sounds more like an issue with cups. Is it the latest version for your distro? |
| 18:11.27 | Shalok_Shalom | hi thor |
| 18:11.45 | Thor666 | helo |
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| 18:25.10 | roasted | I just noticed something a little strange. In Dolphin (KDE 4.10, Kubuntu 12.04) if I right click a file on my samba share and hit move to trash, it says access denied (I own the file, 755 perms). If I highlight it and hit delete (which is the key for move to trash) it works fine. Eh??? |
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| 20:12.13 | heath | Sonderblade: there was an error in /var/log |
| 20:12.19 | heath | pasted it in the cups channel |
| 20:12.39 | heath | er... meant to direct that to a guy who is no longer here |
| 20:12.54 | heath | anyway, i immediately realized it had to be a cups issue |
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| 20:23.53 | KWhat4 | Is there a way to force kate to not open documents in muli document mode? I understand what is trying to be done with this feature but more times the not the idea does not even come close to fitting my usability reqirment. |
| 20:24.14 | KWhat4 | requirement* |
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| 20:25.24 | troy | KWhat4: there might be a #kate channel about |
| 20:25.27 | quup | is there some user friendly way to record a video of rectangular area of desktop? similar to ksnapshot |
| 20:26.24 | troy | quup: there used to be a kwin plugin to record video, but I'm not sure it was ever production ready |
| 20:26.47 | troy | at least, on 4.10 I don't see it installed by default |
| 20:27.44 | alienBOB | weeps after 4 hours of fighting with Ubuntu install and Unity "desktop" |
| 20:27.59 | troy | quup: try this: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/qx11grab?content=98659 |
| 20:28.03 | troy | alienBOB: why? |
| 20:28.17 | troy | alienBOB: are you trying to package unity for slackware? |
| 20:28.35 | troy | quup: or search kde-apps.org for more similar apps |
| 20:29.10 | alienBOB | troy: my son wanted Ubuntu instead of Slackware to start gaming on Linux |
| 20:29.42 | DaZ | can't you just setup stem on slackware :v |
| 20:29.47 | DaZ | steam even |
| 20:30.21 | troy | DaZ: yes, alienBOB is the one who posted those instructions :D |
| 20:30.52 | quup | troy· thanks |
| 20:30.55 | DaZ | idunnolol, i don't live in the slackware space :v |
| 20:31.01 | troy | DaZ: but you won't get any official support if things don't work :D |
| 20:31.12 | DaZ | they usually do though |
| 20:31.20 | troy | unofficial support, yep |
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| 20:31.58 | troy | DaZ: slackware is a nice KDE distro, you should try it sometime :D |
| 20:32.02 | alienBOB | Steam on Slackware works perfectly, but you only get a Tux item in Team Fortress 2 if your OS is actually Ubuntu. I never get that Tux no matter how much I play |
| 20:32.16 | troy | alienBOB: hahaha |
| 20:32.19 | troy | how does it know? |
| 20:32.30 | troy | is it running uname -a and checking? |
| 20:32.47 | alienBOB | First thing steam says when it starts (on the commmandline): "Running on Slackware 14.0 64-bit" |
| 20:33.05 | DaZ | troy: arch4lyfe :c |
| 20:33.08 | troy | how does it know? |
| 20:33.49 | cb400f | maybe it simply read /etc/*release* or that lsb file or sumfink |
| 20:33.49 | troy | alienBOB: is it running a startup script that's checking for the distro? Can you spoof it? |
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| 20:34.50 | gdebure | On 4.10, new user account, my notifications look weird : http://imagebin.org/247089 |
| 20:34.52 | alienBOB | troy: I could try strace-ing the binary, see if it reads /etc/slackware-version perhaps |
| 20:34.59 | gdebure | This is on 2 different machines |
| 20:35.05 | troy | alienBOB: or /etc/os-release |
| 20:35.15 | troy | as cb400f suggests :D |
| 20:35.25 | gdebure | Does not happen on an existing account |
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| 20:35.58 | troy | gdebure: what distro? |
| 20:36.08 | gdebure | troy: Archlinux |
| 20:36.24 | troy | points DaZ at gdebure and tells him to help :D |
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| 20:37.03 | troy | gdebure: if you change your plasma theme, does that resolve anything? |
| 20:37.08 | DaZ | i don't use default notifications :v |
| 20:37.29 | gdebure | troy: yes, tried a few other themes, but no effect |
| 20:37.42 | DaZ | though i've seen something like this on this channel already ;_; |
| 20:37.50 | troy | gdebure: do you have kwin compositing turned on? |
| 20:37.57 | gdebure | troy: yes |
| 20:38.09 | gdebure | I can try to disable them, hold on |
| 20:38.19 | troy | hrm, I don't know - looks perfect here on 4.10 |
| 20:38.33 | troy | it's probably some default setting that's wrong on arch |
| 20:39.01 | gdebure | troy: well KDE is pretty much vanilla on Arch, so might something upstream |
| 20:39.22 | troy | gdebure: I'm on slackware - it's pretty much 100% vanilla here, so it's certainly not upstream |
| 20:39.36 | gdebure | troy: ah, ok. |
| 20:39.38 | troy | alienBOB: how many patches do you apply to KDE? |
| 20:39.48 | gdebure | did you try on a new user account, just in case ? |
| 20:39.56 | troy | oh, I can do that |
| 20:40.02 | troy | it'll take a minute |
| 20:40.05 | gdebure | it doesn't happen on accounts that existed pre 4.10 |
| 20:40.08 | gdebure | thanks :) |
| 20:40.56 | gdebure | troy: meanwhile, I've disabled compositing, but no change |
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| 20:43.26 | troy | gdebure: created new users, loaded it in second X session (first time I've tried that with KDE by the way - worked flawlessly... colour me impressed) |
| 20:43.31 | troy | the notifications looks normal |
| 20:43.54 | gdebure | troy: OK, thanks for the check :) |
| 20:44.04 | gdebure | I'll check in #archlinux, then |
| 20:44.04 | invariant | Has anyone ever seen simon in a working state? |
| 20:44.12 | troy | I am having the odd drawing glitch with the new session manager (i.e. if I hit logout, the dialog doesn't quite draw correctly) |
| 20:44.22 | troy | invariant: yep, but I haven't tried it in about two years |
| 20:45.18 | troy | invariant: Peter, the guy who writes it is super friendly - just ask him directly if you're having trouble |
| 20:45.37 | invariant | troy, it's just supersensitive to the installation instructions. |
| 20:45.44 | invariant | troy, I got it to run now :) |
| 20:46.07 | troy | invariant: aha! well, that's good |
| 20:46.09 | invariant | troy, if you don't setup a proper environment, it will just crash. |
| 20:46.26 | troy | file bugs perhaps :D |
| 20:49.26 | invariant | troy, I don't get it, though. Where do I get training data? |
| 20:50.56 | alienBOB | troy: the only patches I apply are to address compilation errors. No functional patches |
| 20:51.27 | alienBOB | troy: and /etc/os-release is indeed what's being consulted |
| 20:57.37 | invariant | troy, it seems to be an application, but I don't seen any applications for its current incarnation. |
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| 20:58.14 | invariant | troy, I was expecting to see something which would ask me to read some standard EU text for 5 minutes and which would then create a good model of my voice. |
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| 21:07.19 | troy | alienBOB: so you got your tux then? :D |
| 21:07.58 | troy | invariant: there's some standard voice models out there someplace... although I can't recall the details |
| 21:08.24 | alienBOB | troy: No TF2 server to be found at this time of day which runs "Team Fortress 2 Beta" |
| 21:08.41 | alienBOB | But at least steam now thinks I am on ubuntu |
| 21:10.27 | troy | alienBOB: is there some system to have the modified file only be visible to steam process(es)? like how LD_PRELOAD can grab alternate libs? |
| 21:11.24 | troy | I mean, without setting up a jail :D |
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| 21:19.20 | alienBOB | troy: I don't think so, but since Slackware itself does not use /etc/os-release (it is a Poettering invention ;-) I can edit it safely |
| 21:20.14 | troy | alienBOB: ah, I was wondering when it showed up :D at leasts it's human readable |
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| 21:25.17 | ufoman | hi |
| 21:25.28 | ufoman | how do I tell what method does kde/powerdevil use for changing screen backlight levels? |
| 21:26.23 | troy | use the source, luke! |
| 21:26.39 | troy | no seriously, if you don't have the source code, there's online source code browsers |
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| 21:26.55 | troy | if you don't understand code, then someone else will need to look |
| 21:27.11 | ufoman | troy: I actually meant checking it at runtime |
| 21:27.20 | ufoman | but looking at source might not be that dumb |
| 21:27.27 | troy | ufoman: there might be a dbus call for it |
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| 21:28.07 | ufoman | well it has a backlight helper app that is used by a dbus service |
| 21:28.10 | troy | ufoman: you could run qdbusviewer and browse around |
| 21:29.47 | ufoman | troy: basically my "issue" is that the backlight works, and it should not based on what I know |
| 21:32.56 | ufoman | google sez I need nvidiabl module for backlight control, I don't have it and I can change backlight level in KDE |
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| 21:39.13 | ufoman | troy: I have ran dbusmonitor on system bus... there is no communication when I manually change brightness |
| 21:39.31 | thiago | ufoman: dbus-monitor on the system bus does not capture any calls |
| 21:39.39 | thiago | so your testing was faulty |
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| 21:41.58 | ufoman | thiago: ahh, thnx |
| 21:42.15 | ufoman | is there any way to capture calls then? |
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| 21:46.50 | thiago | ufoman: only if you modify the system bus configuration and reboot |
| 21:47.33 | thiago | be careful about mucking with system configuration |
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| 21:49.55 | ufoman | thiago: screwing something up is not an issue ;) |
| 21:50.09 | ufoman | I can play with stuff |
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| 22:21.16 | drupol | I've upgraded to KDE 4.10 and since, no more icons on my desktop. I'm running Gentoo. Any idea what might be the problem ? |
| 22:23.13 | DaZ | gentoo is |
| 22:23.16 | DaZ | ;_; |
| 22:23.37 | drupol | Sorry I just found the problem... |
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| 22:24.00 | drupol | No, gentoo is fine, it's me who set no icon on desktop, I just re enabled it ! |
| 22:24.03 | drupol | noob. |
| 22:24.55 | troy | DaZ: it's funny seeing an arch user make fun of a gentoo user :D |
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| 22:25.16 | DaZ | i'm not making fun of the users |
| 22:26.01 | DaZ | every problem with kde on gentoo i've seen here was related to the flags used during compilation :c |
| 22:26.26 | drupol | In this case, the problem was me :-) |
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| 22:28.24 | drupol | Now I've got my icons: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7ugUjBv1lqHcVhzVUM2emk2S2M/edit |
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| 22:36.42 | drupol | bye all, thanks for the support ! |
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| 23:25.04 | armin | hi - is there a way to include a trash bypassing delete command in the context menu of dolphin? it's pretty annoying in case of files that are on an NFS volume that they have to be transferred over the network completely to put them in my local trash. |
| 23:25.41 | thiago | use Delete, instead of Move to Trash |
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| 23:25.49 | thiago | there's an option in Dolphin settings to show that |
| 23:26.23 | armin | any hint where? |
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| 23:27.03 | armin | ah, in services. m( |
| 23:27.20 | armin | ok i'm not thinking of delete being service yet. :) |
| 23:27.26 | armin | thanks |
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