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| 00:03.11 | swerve | i removed xscreensaver, and it didn't come on or let me select screensavers |
| 00:03.38 | swerve | i.e., they didn't exist |
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| 07:40.24 | szal | *scratches head* it looks as if the 'Window under cursor' setting in KSnapshot doesn't work on 32bit; it tries to capture an area larger than the screen resulting in an image that contains only transparency; no problem on 64bit |
| 07:40.25 | szal | (tested w/ Kubuntu 11.04, both aforementioned architectures) |
| 07:40.27 | szal | (KDE 4.6.5) |
| 07:40.29 | szal | anyone reading this, please do me a favour & confirm, if you can :) |
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| 09:00.35 | devil | szal: i can :) |
| 09:00.53 | devil | and: yes, we can :) |
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| 10:38.15 | hussam | hi, what's the correct way to purge the nepomuk/strigi database? |
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| 11:10.42 | devil | szal: works fine here (debian) |
| 11:10.51 | devil | 4.6.5-1 |
| 11:12.00 | szal | 32bit? |
| 11:12.18 | devil | as well |
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| 14:51.43 | Alumin | ok, so this may be an idiosyncrasy of my own setup, but my best guess is that I hit some kind of obscure hot key |
| 14:52.12 | Alumin | the thing is, all my letters are coming out uppercase...in order to type like this (normally), I have to leave caps lock turned on |
| 14:52.36 | Alumin | at first I thought I had a stuck shift key, but the number keys are still working normally |
| 14:53.23 | Alumin | what may be a clue is that I was trying to hit Alt-Shift-. when it started...I kinda fat-fingered it and flailed around a bit on the keyboard and I may have activated something :) |
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| 14:54.43 | Alumin | my next great idea for troubleshooting is to log out and back in, but...now I'm kinda curious, I'd like to fix this with something other than "reboot magic" if I can |
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| 14:58.54 | PureSine | hello, not sure it is a right room. I'm a windows c++ programmer, I'm considering using linux for an industrial equipment, I have a question, is it possible to load a GUI program without entering Gnome or KDE environment or even see their logo. I want my GUI program loads right after POST. if that's possible can I still use graphical APIs of Gnome or KDE ? |
| 14:58.54 | MinceR | switching keyboard layouts back and forth might fix it |
| 14:59.31 | Alumin | PureSine: you could have a framebuffer/svgalib program |
| 14:59.36 | Alumin | then you wouldn't have an X server at all |
| 14:59.41 | MinceR | PureSine: you can boot straight into X11 with autologin and start your GUI app from xsession or whatever |
| 15:00.02 | MinceR | though in an industrial application you might even hack your way around the autologin part too |
| 15:00.03 | PureSine | so it is possible |
| 15:00.17 | MinceR | certainly |
| 15:00.17 | Alumin | yeah that too...it's also possible to have X but not run GNOME or KDE on top of it as MinceR said |
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| 15:00.40 | Alumin | there are other, more lightweight environments as well, if you want _some_ kind of desktop, just not a big heavy one |
| 15:00.45 | MinceR | generally GNOME and KDE apps do work without having the DE launched before them |
| 15:00.50 | MinceR | they just need their dependencies |
| 15:01.12 | MinceR | if they need some part of the DE to run (gnome-settings-daemon, for example) they start it for themselves |
| 15:01.26 | Alumin | PureSine: coming from a Windows environment, you may find a few terminology definitions helpful |
| 15:01.33 | MinceR | they tend to need some sort of window manager though |
| 15:01.45 | MinceR | (otherwise some of their windows might become inaccessible) |
| 15:02.35 | Alumin | in a UNIX-ish environment, there's a very clear separation between the program that handles window operations and draws the desktop (in your environment, "explorer.exe") and the basic software that understands the video hardware and presents the display |
| 15:02.37 | PureSine | actually I don't want any desktop I want company logo to be displayed at the start of computer and then it rights go to the GUI program |
| 15:02.47 | Alumin | I'm not sure what the analog of that part is in MSW |
| 15:03.53 | Alumin | when you start up a graphical environment, you start the X server which gives you the base display...and then as a separate step you launch a window manager / desktop environment, as well as any "applications" (I use quotes because the window manager itself is really just an application too) |
| 15:04.19 | Alumin | point being, you can start X, and then if you don't want a desktop environment...just don't start one |
| 15:04.26 | Alumin | you can just run your app fullscreen |
| 15:05.13 | Alumin | now, as MinceR was saying, if you don't run a window manager at all, then the one thing you have to make sure of is that your app figures out how big the display is (resolution) and sizes/positions itself accordingly |
| 15:05.24 | Alumin | normally that's handled by the window manager, but if you don't have one... :) |
| 15:06.04 | PureSine | so you mean I can't use graphical classes ? |
| 15:06.13 | James147 | it also might be useful to have a window manager for dialog windows ^^ |
| 15:06.20 | Alumin | yeah that too |
| 15:06.37 | Alumin | I would say unless you're _very_ serious about system resources, you want some kind of window manager running |
| 15:06.42 | Alumin | even if it's twm :D |
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| 15:07.17 | Alumin | PureSine: yeah you can use, say, GTK or Qt regardless |
| 15:07.42 | Alumin | just because an app uses GTK doesn't mean it needs GNOME, and just using Qt doesn't imply a dependency on KDE |
| 15:09.00 | PureSine | well I used to be a MS-DOS (pre-windows) programmers, in that environment it was pretty hard to generate a GUI but it is very easy using windows APIs, I just hope to be able to access graphical APIs without showing any desktop or linux logo , or user be able to switch or run another program |
| 15:10.10 | MinceR | X11 can do that for you |
| 15:10.28 | MinceR | (along with widget toolkits if you need one, like GTK+ and Qt) |
| 15:10.39 | Alumin | I'd say probably what you want then is to make a user to run your program, and set that user's X configuration to just run a really minimal window manager...remove all the WM's panels or whatever, and use xsetroot to put your logo on the desktop if you like |
| 15:10.47 | Alumin | then launch your application fullscreen |
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| 15:11.26 | Alumin | I believe, but don't quote me on this, that xdm can do automatic login for a specific user |
| 15:11.31 | Alumin | I know gdm and kdm can |
| 15:12.07 | MinceR | i suspect that you can also get away booting into X without xdm, kdm or gdm |
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| 15:13.11 | Alumin | seems like that should be possible...I can't immediately think of the nuts and bolts of it but yeah, I'm sure you can |
| 15:13.52 | Alumin | another question I'd say there, though, is whether you need to retain the option to be able to occasionally override the auto login (so you can log in as an administrative user to do maintenance tasks, etc) |
| 15:14.26 | MinceR | say, by running startx as whatever user you want it from rc.local or from an init script |
| 15:14.33 | Alumin | yeah |
| 15:14.48 | PureSine | hmmm, yes that woulb be good idea but not prime object |
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| 15:16.23 | PureSine | ok, I think I will start by researching X11 is that a good idea ? |
| 15:16.56 | James147 | PureSine: I would suggest starting by getting to know how linux works |
| 15:17.38 | PureSine | hmmm you mean from user point of view or understand it throughly ? |
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| 15:18.06 | MinceR | other things you may want to research is how X11 and the x session are started (startx, xinit) and how init and the rc scripts work |
| 15:18.24 | MinceR | (from a script writer/sysadmin standpoint, mostly) |
| 15:19.10 | PureSine | can it be researched in a week or so , I fear that becoming a sys admin may take too much time |
| 15:20.13 | James147 | PureSine: depends on how quick you learn... though I would recomend trying to install archlinux if you dont mind beening thrown in at the deep end :) they have execlent documentation that should explain most of what you want |
| 15:21.22 | James147 | ^^ or at the very least reading their beginners guide |
| 15:22.47 | PureSine | ok thanks a lot |
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| 15:26.45 | Alumin | um |
| 15:27.34 | Alumin | am I just being jaded, or does "I'm a Microsoft programmer, and I want to write a kiosk-mode X11 application...is a week enough time to come up to speed?" sound kinda facepalm-inducing? |
| 15:27.47 | Alumin | probably better that I was afk-ed when he said that :P |
| 15:28.55 | Alumin | MinceR: that's a good idea on the keymap switching by the way, lemme see how that works out |
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| 15:29.00 | James147 | Alumin: he didnt say he wanted to write it in a week... just if it was possible to figure out how to learn what he needed to do in a week |
| 15:29.26 | Alumin | I agree, that is what he _said_ |
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| 15:30.10 | Alumin | that's why I asked if I were just being jaded, because my interpretation is that he's planning on starting to write production code in a week if not before |
| 15:30.15 | James147 | Alumin: All depends on how dedicated he is to learning :) |
| 15:30.38 | MinceR | yes, it does sound scary |
| 15:30.39 | Alumin | and how much of his current job he's going to be expected to continue performing in the interim...probably 100% of it :) |
| 15:30.57 | MinceR | it's better to start such things off with someone who has knowledge and experience already |
| 15:31.20 | James147 | MinceR: assuming you have someone like that |
| 15:31.32 | MinceR | well, that's what the job market is for :> |
| 15:32.38 | Alumin | yeah, here's a novel idea...if you don't have someone qualified to do what you want to do, don't start until you do! |
| 15:32.46 | Alumin | I know, I know, that's socialism or something |
| 15:32.47 | Alumin | :P |
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| 15:33.39 | Alumin | hmm |
| 15:33.46 | Alumin | apparently I have "Disable keyboard layouts" selected |
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| 15:34.07 | Alumin | still, let's give it a go |
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| 15:38.04 | Alumin | no, that didn't affect it...but it did generate several other questions |
| 15:38.10 | Alumin | there are all kinds of fancy options in here |
| 15:38.36 | Alumin | "Using space key to input non-breakable space character" "Non-breakable space character at third level, nothing at fourth level" |
| 15:38.44 | Alumin | what does "level" mean in that context? |
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| 15:39.50 | thiago | Alumin: the keyboard shift level |
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| 15:39.58 | thiago | level 1 is no Caps, no Shift |
| 15:40.00 | thiago | level 2 is Shift |
| 15:40.03 | thiago | level 3 is AltGr |
| 15:40.08 | thiago | level 4 is AltGr+Shift |
| 15:40.52 | Alumin | interesting |
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| 16:13.08 | contrast | Greets, everyone... Can someone tell me how to reset the idle timer in KDE? I'm wanting to use this script - http://aikar.co/2011/03/03/ubuntu-prevent-sleep-samba/, but it uses gnome-screensaver to reset the idle time. |
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| 16:15.48 | contrast | Actually, with some modifications to the script, I could probably make do with any command that prevents PowerDevil from putting the system to sleep. |
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| 16:33.08 | Alumin | contrast: perhaps "qdbus org.freedesktop.ScreenSaver /ScreenSaver SimulateUserActivity |
| 16:33.33 | Alumin | you can check the idle time with "qdbus org.freedesktop.ScreenSaver /ScreenSaver GetSessionIdleTime" |
| 16:34.10 | Alumin | the "poke" doesn't work for me (doesn't reset the timer) but I'm on an older version of KDE...this page suggests it may be fixed in a later version: http://old.nabble.com/-Bug-207348--New%3A-kscreensaver-does-not-respect-SimulateUserActivity-dbus-method-td25435084.html |
| 16:35.02 | Alumin | although...the specific wording in that bug leads me to believe that the person submitting the patch believed that the functionality was already working for this use case (where the screensaver is not yet active)...so *shrug* |
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| 16:35.08 | Alumin | YMMV :) |
| 16:35.52 | Alumin | if you don't have qdbus you may be able to use dbus-send, but I found its syntax a bit...unfriendly |
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| 16:36.48 | contrast | Alumin: sounds promising; thanks a lot! :) |
| 16:37.03 | Alumin | no problem...hope it works out for you |
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| 16:40.34 | contrast | Alumin: Worked out perfect, thanks again. Peace! |
| 16:41.49 | Alumin | that's good...guess once I upgrade to 4.3 I'll be able to do it :P |
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| 17:49.34 | SkyNet2000 | hi oOze |
| 17:49.37 | SkyNet2000 | is that you |
| 17:49.41 | oOze | yes |
| 17:49.45 | \marco | hi all |
| 17:49.46 | SkyNet2000 | haha cool |
| 17:49.49 | SkyNet2000 | hi |
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| 17:50.08 | SkyNet2000 | never knew kde had a channel i thought they would |
| 17:50.09 | \marco | A little question: is there a way to edit or delete a nepomuk tag? |
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| 17:50.32 | SkyNet2000 | oOze: you use kde ever? |
| 17:50.36 | \marco | maybe not using sopranocmd export, import & co |
| 17:50.45 | oOze | SkyNet2000, see PM |
| 17:50.55 | SkyNet2000 | let me look oOze |
| 17:51.17 | SkyNet2000 | got it |
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| 17:55.58 | \marco | lol |
| 17:56.00 | \marco | i found it |
| 17:56.33 | \marco | there's a tiny trash at the end of the tag's name |
| 17:56.39 | \marco | :) |
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| 18:02.14 | al_nz1 | in KDE, how do I stop the taskbar from floating and get it docked back with the bottom 'bar' ? |
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| 18:17.22 | VaterGarp | Has it become impossible in KDE 4.6.5 to print a document with, say, two pages on one sheet of paper? |
| 18:17.35 | VaterGarp | There's no such option in the printing dialog anymore |
| 18:17.54 | VaterGarp | Not duplex, but simpy two pages side by side |
| 18:18.35 | VaterGarp | I know it used to be there but it's not anymore |
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| 18:21.49 | VaterGarp | How is this possible? Why are options _removed_? |
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| 18:24.20 | knat | When I have many tasks open and a second row of tasks start, the tasks pop below my quick lanch icons, how can I make it not do that |
| 18:24.33 | knat | here is a screen shot http://oi55.tinypic.com/2wgsjkm.jpg |
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| 18:48.09 | can| | hello, i have question about ktimetracker's desktop number limit, is this the correct place to ask? |
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| 18:49.04 | can| | i have debian/testing so i guess that should be kde4 ? |
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| 18:57.48 | can| | :( |
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| 19:09.11 | Daskreech | knat: Which KDE is that? |
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| 19:27.31 | rindolf | Hi all. |
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| 19:50.20 | lamah | how can i restore icons form panel before the clock i have removed it all of them :( kde4 |
| 19:50.44 | rindolf | lamah: s/before the clock/before the time/? |
| 19:51.05 | lamah | rindolf: before digital clock |
| 19:51.20 | lamah | kvirc icon notifications etc. |
| 19:51.25 | lamah | e.g. |
| 19:51.33 | rindolf | lamah: do you mean the system tray? |
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| 19:51.44 | lamah | yes |
| 19:51.47 | lamah | sys tray in panel |
| 19:52.24 | rindolf | lamah: ah. |
| 19:52.40 | rindolf | lamah: go to the panel's cashes, select "Add Widgets" |
| 19:52.48 | rindolf | lamah: and there search for "system". |
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| 19:53.59 | lamah | pff |
| 19:54.00 | lamah | thanks |
| 19:54.05 | lamah | oh |
| 19:54.06 | SkyNet2000 | hello |
| 19:54.12 | lamah | rindolf: thanks :)) |
| 19:54.14 | lamah | :) |
| 19:54.50 | rindolf | SkyNet2000: hi. |
| 19:55.04 | SkyNet2000 | hi there rindolf |
| 19:55.18 | SkyNet2000 | maybe you can help me |
| 19:55.23 | rindolf | SkyNet2000: I can try. |
| 19:55.45 | SkyNet2000 | im trying to get widgets off the net i have installed to work |
| 19:55.47 | SkyNet2000 | thanks |
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| 19:56.07 | SkyNet2000 | but none of them work of the net i have downloaded and installed |
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| 19:58.04 | rindolf | SkyNet2000: what kind of widgets? |
| 19:58.26 | SkyNet2000 | bitcoin |
| 19:58.32 | SkyNet2000 | its for the system |
| 19:58.47 | SkyNet2000 | but none of the widgets work i install |
| 19:59.03 | SkyNet2000 | just the ones that came with my os |
| 19:59.07 | SkyNet2000 | work |
| 20:00.06 | SkyNet2000 | the widgets will say could not create a python scriptengine |
| 20:00.24 | devil | SkyNet2000: plasma-scriptengine-python is b0rked (in debian at least) |
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| 20:00.57 | devil | SkyNet2000: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=633000 |
| 20:01.11 | SkyNet2000 | im on linux mint11 katya |
| 20:01.18 | SkyNet2000 | ok thank you |
| 20:01.22 | SkyNet2000 | so i can fix this? |
| 20:01.38 | devil | SkyNet2000: read the bug report |
| 20:01.40 | SkyNet2000 | i have put kdestanderd on |
| 20:01.50 | SkyNet2000 | ok devil and thanks |
| 20:02.04 | devil | SkyNet2000: the bug is fixed in git, so it should be fixed soonish |
| 20:02.17 | devil | commit 65edfa5001cefc4fae25afa4e7c0564c556d1e33 |
| 20:02.38 | SkyNet2000 | im lost |
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| 20:16.43 | knat | When I have many tasks open and a second row of tasks start, the tasks pop below my quick lanch icons, how can I make it not do that here is a screen shot http://oi55.tinypic.com/2wgsjkm.jpg I am using KDE 4.6 |
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| 20:20.55 | Daskreech | Hmm Got a new monitor and plasma starts crashing every few minutes |
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| 20:21.02 | Daskreech | The_User_: ping |
| 20:21.20 | The_User_ | Daskreech: pong? |
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| 20:21.39 | Daskreech | The_User_: Any ideas as to why a montior would make GHNS freeze up? |
| 20:21.54 | The_User_ | no, do not use multiple monitors and I am not a plasma dev |
| 20:21.59 | The_User_ | just be patient |
| 20:22.06 | The_User_ | instead of pinging random people :D |
| 20:22.22 | The_User_ | or try #plasma |
| 20:22.41 | The_User_ | #plasma seems to be more active currently |
| 20:24.34 | Daskreech | The_User_: Actually I was going to ask how you are :) |
| 20:24.56 | The_User_ | uh |
| 20:24.59 | Daskreech | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:25.00 | The_User_ | Daskreech: you know me? |
| 20:25.01 | Daskreech | how are you :) |
| 20:25.08 | The_User_ | okay |
| 20:25.09 | The_User_ | :D |
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| 20:25.13 | Daskreech | The_User_: Great |
| 20:25.17 | The_User_ | :D |
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| 20:25.51 | Daskreech | ;-) |
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| 21:06.00 | Daskreech | Can Nepomuk searches be done from the File dialog? |
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| 21:09.37 | SkyNet2000 | whats Nepomuk |
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| 21:10.38 | Daskreech | Long story but a system that should know more about your system than you |
| 21:12.03 | SkyNet2000 | ok |
| 21:12.14 | SkyNet2000 | ty |
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| 21:15.54 | Daskreech | SkyNet2000: Well since no one else is talking ... :) |
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| 21:16.17 | Daskreech | SkyNet2000: It's a relationship engine. It tries to take data and create relationship points between them |
| 21:16.42 | Daskreech | Sort of a program that makes data into information |
| 21:16.50 | Daskreech | or at the very least richer data |
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| 21:41.59 | nyuszika7h | Hi, why does the compose key work in X11 but not in the terminal? |
| 21:42.18 | nyuszika7h | Oh, nevermind, it _does_ work in konsole. |
| 21:42.38 | nyuszika7h | I accidently pressed Alt instead of Win. |
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| 23:28.08 | rajit | Any debian users here who could help me with setting up plasma nm? |
| 23:33.09 | devil | will not touch nm with a 10-foot pole |
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| 23:34.29 | rajit | devil: what do you use? |
| 23:34.51 | devil | manualy editing |
| 23:35.07 | rajit | i need a simple gui.. any suggestions |
| 23:35.24 | rajit | im used to plasma nm |
| 23:35.45 | rajit | travel to a lot of different locations and need to connect to a lot of different networks |
| 23:35.52 | rajit | wifi, of course |
| 23:36.00 | devil | not really, there is ceni, (aptosid tool) but its not in debian, its nice and easy |
| 23:36.41 | rajit | well i am on aptosid :D |
| 23:36.56 | devil | then you have ceni. |
| 23:37.01 | rajit | and ceni is what i used |
| 23:37.06 | rajit | to connect to the net |
| 23:37.16 | devil | whats wrong? |
| 23:37.35 | rajit | honestly? |
| 23:37.42 | rajit | i need a pretty gui! :P |
| 23:37.48 | devil | gah |
| 23:37.57 | devil | look at wifi-radar |
| 23:38.35 | devil | what is the problem with the plasma nm widgetà |
| 23:38.53 | rajit | well plasma nm widget is installed |
| 23:39.01 | rajit | but it's just not showing any connections |
| 23:39.08 | rajit | even though ceni shows them |
| 23:39.19 | devil | any errors? |
| 23:39.30 | rajit | nope |
| 23:40.04 | devil | does that widget rely on python-syriptengines? |
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| 23:40.12 | rajit | im not sure |
| 23:40.15 | rajit | how do i find out |
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| 23:40.23 | devil | google knows |
| 23:40.29 | rajit | sorry, im totally fresh to debian |
| 23:40.30 | devil | if so, there is a bug |
| 23:40.34 | rajit | ok lemme see |
| 23:40.38 | rajit | btw, what if it is? |
| 23:40.57 | devil | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=633000 |
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| 23:46.14 | rajit | well i don't think it's that |
| 23:46.37 | rajit | cuz even the network manager config is not able to show any wireless connections |
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| 23:47.46 | devil | rajit: you can try to mv /interfaces and scan again |
| 23:48.16 | devil | afaik nm does not like reconfigured stuff |
| 23:48.36 | devil | preconfigured, that is |
| 23:48.41 | rajit | what exactly do I move? |
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| 23:49.18 | rajit | i mean, could you be a lil' more specific? |
| 23:49.35 | devil | rajit: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:49.45 | rajit | ok |
| 23:49.48 | rajit | be right back |
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| 23:53.24 | rajit | devil: That did the trick! :D |
| 23:53.31 | rajit | thanks a ton mate!!! :) |
| 23:53.50 | devil | good. |
| 23:54.19 | devil | thats the crux with nm, it wantsyour net exclusively |
| 23:54.41 | rajit | That is mean of it |
| 23:55.05 | rajit | devil: I'm totally loving aptosid. It's soo fast |
| 23:55.13 | devil | well, i like to be in the drivers seat. |
| 23:55.25 | rajit | Chakra on my desktop and now aptosid on my notebook |
| 23:55.32 | devil | rajit: i like aptosid, just not the makers |
| 23:55.39 | rajit | why? |
| 23:56.09 | devil | you might find out. i was with the team for 6 years, just left recently |
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| 23:56.51 | rajit | well i hope you find peace and satisfaction in whatever you put your efforts into |
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| 23:56.58 | rajit | sometimes it just doesn't work |
| 23:57.46 | Vasistha | my dad receives about 8 messages/day that are blank - no subject, no body, no date. Is there a way to catch these in a kmail filter? |
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