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00:58.40 | ComaWhite_ | anyone know how to get knetworkmanager to work with wpa2 personal tkip+aes? i know the password is correct, but i'm just not getting an ip address |
01:03.59 | e_t_ | ComaWhite_: Make sure that the access point you're trying to connect to has DHCP turned on (or use a static IP). Otherwise, I'd take a look at /var/log/daemon.log and see what NetworkManager is doing when you try to connect. You might at least get a useful error there. |
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01:05.13 | ComaWhite_ | e_t_, thanks, but that log doesn't exist |
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01:22.12 | ewoerner | ComaWhite_: have a look at /var/log/syslog then |
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01:24.17 | comawhite_ | ewoerner, doesn't exist either |
01:24.41 | ewoerner | comawhite_: what distro are you using? |
01:24.51 | comawhite_ | Gentoo |
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01:25.32 | ewoerner | comawhite_: /var/log/NetworkManager.log ? |
01:25.43 | comawhite_ | nope |
01:26.00 | ewoerner | comawhite_: /var/log/messages ? |
01:26.12 | comawhite_ | nein |
01:27.20 | ewoerner | okay, now i'm out of suggestions |
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01:27.56 | comawhite_ | ewoerner, hehe, thanks anyways for trying :) |
01:29.16 | Londoner | im trying out basket 1.80 on fedora 14 and there was a GTD basket archive on the basket website |
01:29.19 | comawhite_ | it works now for some reason |
01:29.19 | ewoerner | comawhite_: well, those logs have to be somewhere... |
01:29.24 | ewoerner | ah |
01:29.25 | comawhite_ | :S |
01:29.28 | Londoner | when i try to import the archive in basket it gives me an error |
01:29.37 | comawhite_ | i reset dd-wrt to defaults and started working |
01:30.02 | Londoner | 'could notwrite to /.kde/share/apps/basket/baskect-icons/xygenicons/16x16/actions/todo.png |
01:30.03 | comawhite_ | ewoerner, which should I use tkip, aes + tkip, aes? |
01:30.28 | Londoner | would someone point me in the right direction to get this working please |
01:31.25 | ewoerner | comawhite_: ideally, aes only |
01:31.37 | comawhite_ | okay thanks |
01:31.59 | ewoerner | comawhite_: but you should really check whether all your hardware supports that |
01:32.12 | comawhite_ | it supports them all |
01:32.31 | comawhite_ | dd-wrt has too many bloody options xP |
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01:33.13 | comawhite_ | now if only i can just get ipv6 to work |
01:33.50 | ewoerner | comawhite_: that comment was not about your access point, but about your laptop, mobile phone, ... |
01:34.10 | comawhite_ | ah okay |
01:34.16 | comawhite_ | yeah it's all good ^^ |
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02:01.01 | panzi | is there a way to open a plasma notification using a shell command? is there a dbus interface for this? |
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02:03.15 | leo_rockway | panzi: knotify4 |
02:03.28 | panzi | thx |
02:03.32 | leo_rockway | np |
02:05.29 | panzi | erm, is there a documentations of this somewhere? --help is not helpful |
02:06.32 | panzi | ah, I have to use notify-send |
02:07.04 | leo_rockway | there's also kdialog |
02:07.23 | panzi | god the layout of the notification areay is jumping around like mad when you remove an item! |
02:07.35 | leo_rockway | and there's this thread about using it along with dbus http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=23580 |
02:07.37 | panzi | leo_rockway: nope, no passivepopup in kdialoge anymore |
02:07.45 | leo_rockway | panzi: it's working here... |
02:08.00 | leo_rockway | it disappears after a few seconds |
02:08.09 | panzi | I don't have the passive popup option anymore, thats why I ask |
02:08.21 | leo_rockway | --passivepopup <text> <timeout> Passive Popup |
02:08.34 | leo_rockway | $ kdialog --version |
02:08.35 | leo_rockway | Qt: 4.7.0 |
02:08.36 | leo_rockway | KDE Development Platform: 4.5.3 (KDE 4.5.3) |
02:08.38 | leo_rockway | KDialog: 1.0 |
02:09.09 | leo_rockway | but you can always use notify-send |
02:09.45 | leo_rockway | I used pynotify from Python |
02:10.11 | panzi | hm, it works. maybe just the parameters changed? because a script (not by me) that uses it used to work but now only produces error msgs |
02:10.26 | panzi | pynotify! interesting |
02:10.32 | leo_rockway | I had never used --passivepopup before. Maybe the parameters changed. |
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02:12.05 | panzi | hm or maybe the script just does not escape arguments properly |
02:12.14 | leo_rockway | that would be an issue too... |
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02:14.19 | fatpelt_laptop | evenin all. i'm having a problem with knetworkmanager on fedora. it only shows "networking interface" in the "restrict to interface" dialog box. have i missed some setting somewhere? |
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02:36.05 | Guest3812 | Just a quick question - is KDE "resource hungry"? |
02:38.10 | Sho_ | KDE is very configurable, so it can be configured to a great range of different resource usage profiles, iow you get to decide whether you want to enable features and expend the resources they need |
02:38.30 | Sho_ | iow, no, it's not inherently "resource hungry" |
02:40.37 | Guest3812 | Oh fantastic. I'm in 2 minds about switching from a gnome distrobution to a kde one. I'm relatively new to Linux and I like the way the gnome menu's are set out - yet I really prefer the "prettier" graphics of KDE - not to mention, KDE seem to have more native apps than gnome. |
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03:44.43 | EffBee | So I'm trying to figure out how to get governor switching working with PowerDevil in SC 4.5 |
03:44.50 | comawhite_ | I have my desktop (Windows 7) and my laptop (Gentoo Linux), how can I access my desktop from my laptop? |
03:45.03 | Sho_ | krdc |
03:45.11 | EffBee | Seriously, you guys made it so that not only can I not select which governor to use, it doesn't even use ANY governor |
03:45.23 | EffBee | I tried getting it to run scripts when the different power profiles are executed |
03:45.28 | EffBee | But the governor doesn't change? |
03:45.31 | Sho_ | there's a completely-rewritten PowerDevil 2 coming in 4.6 .. |
03:45.38 | EffBee | Sho_: Well, I kinda need this now |
03:45.55 | Sho_ | yeah, and I'd try to help if I knew anything about PowerDevil, sorry |
03:46.06 | EffBee | IIRC it was changed so that downstream devs could choose how the powersaving occurs |
03:46.12 | EffBee | There's a single checkbox you can check |
03:46.15 | EffBee | To enable powersaving |
03:46.23 | EffBee | I am on Arch Linux and the checkbox basically does nothing |
03:46.31 | EffBee | Would really like some more information about this |
03:47.05 | EffBee | I can shave power usage by 20% if I can have the Powersave profile enable the ondemand governor... |
03:47.09 | Sho_ | You should try to catch drf / drf_ on IRC (PowerDevil author) |
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05:37.10 | Thibit | Is there a way to force the toolbar for the netbook plasma desktop to stay shown? |
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05:50.17 | aseigo | Thibit: let me check... |
05:51.49 | aseigo | Thibit: yep... click on the panel toolbox and there is a "Autohide" button |
05:51.54 | aseigo | Thibit: make sure it isn't selected. |
05:53.20 | Thibit | Hrm... Am unable to find it for some reason |
05:56.29 | aseigo | Thibit: what version are you running? |
05:57.09 | Thibit | 4.5.3 vanilla in Arch Linux |
05:58.09 | aseigo | hm.. right click on the panel, make sure "unlock" is selected? |
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05:59.35 | Thibit | Hrm... It's still not showing... |
06:00.10 | aseigo | grr.. the machine i have with netbook running on it is not here right now, and marco is asleep as he should be on european time |
06:00.27 | aseigo | ah! i wonder if this is 4.6 only. |
06:00.29 | aseigo | goes to look |
06:00.53 | Thibit | I believe that the desktop and netbook plasma desktops have different options available via the UI |
06:01.22 | Thibit | The version change would make a difference though. |
06:01.39 | aseigo | hm, no, it seems to be in 4.5 |
06:01.59 | aseigo | should be in the context menu for the panel after it is unlocked. |
06:02.36 | Thibit | Weird... I just found it in the config file though |
06:04.01 | Thibit | Aha! |
06:04.24 | Thibit | I had to click on the cashew before it appeared |
06:04.36 | aseigo | ah, yes. that's the "panel toolbox" :) |
06:05.01 | Thibit | XD |
06:05.11 | Thibit | Ok, that makes sense now |
06:05.25 | aseigo | harbors a personal despisement for the term "cashew" ... it was a funny joke one late night 2 years ago, but is less funny now ;) |
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06:07.22 | Thibit | Sadly the slang/joke term often reaches farther audiences than the technical term |
06:08.27 | aseigo | indeed :) |
06:09.07 | aseigo | lesson learned. humor is fun, until someone loses an eye .. er .. someone starts using the joke as a serious term |
06:09.31 | aseigo | notes that a few terms in plasma started that way. |
06:10.45 | Thibit | Aye |
06:11.36 | Thibit | Outside of the toolbox, what other terms have a more common slang version? |
06:11.57 | aseigo | plasmoid :) |
06:12.08 | aseigo | that was another joke at one point. |
06:12.20 | aseigo | several of the internal names, e.g. Corona and Containment |
06:13.11 | aseigo | it works well for community stuff. Tokamak is word play, for instance, but it helps give our dev meet ups a nice tone |
06:13.15 | Thibit | The plasmoid is a good term in my own opinion. Stands out in comparison to widget |
06:13.50 | aseigo | yeah, i'm like plasmoid these days. i was initially taken by surprise (== shock) when people starting using that term |
06:14.06 | aseigo | since it was, quite literally, a joke during an irc session one night |
06:14.22 | aseigo | but it stuck. at least it's a decent term. at least, i was able to get used to it :) |
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06:14.34 | aseigo | maybe "cashew" will rub off on me one day too |
06:15.11 | Thibit | It hit me wrong at first too. Kinda funny now that I look back. Just suddenly didn't care anymore |
06:15.15 | aseigo | anyways, glad you found it :) |
06:15.25 | Thibit | Aye. As am I. |
06:15.55 | Thibit | And thank you for your assistance! |
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06:17.03 | Thibit | Hrm... I like the idea behind both Corona and Containment, as they literally explain themselves |
06:17.17 | chris000 | i'm having a problem with kde- i login and it freezes at the splash screen- when the desktop icons appears on the splash screen that is... not sure why it does this. it is only on certain hardware. any ideas? |
06:17.37 | aseigo | as long as you are familiar with stars and fusion reactors, yes ;) |
06:17.50 | Thibit | XD |
06:18.44 | aseigo | odd how many software developers are, though, for "some" reason .. heeh |
06:18.48 | chris000 | * kde is running on atom hardware |
06:19.01 | Thibit | Am afraid that know not the answer to your question chris000. |
06:19.15 | aseigo | chris000: hm.. does it do this with a new user account on the same machine? |
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06:19.50 | Thibit | thinks that it's in part due to just how fascinating the subjects are to logically-minded people |
06:20.13 | aseigo | lord knows i've spent more time than i care to admit reading about them :) |
06:20.22 | chris000 | aseiga well, the account i'm logging in as is a new account on the machine. i haven't tried setting up any others. |
06:20.25 | aseigo | (and in the case of stars, looking at them in wonder :) |
06:20.54 | aseigo | chris000: ok; reason i ask is that sometimes such issues are due to configuration data in, e.g., ~/.kde |
06:21.00 | chris000 | aseiga: it is a fresh oem install |
06:21.25 | aseigo | chris000: if it happens with even a new user, and it's stuck on the desktop icon ... *thinks* |
06:21.34 | aseigo | goes to look at what triggers the next stage in the code |
06:22.03 | EffBee | aseigo: Not sure if you're the best person to answer this, but... why does changing activity icons require Nepomuk? You don't need it to change the activity's name... |
06:27.02 | aseigo | chris000: hm, how long have you let it sit at that stage? |
06:27.26 | aseigo | chris000: looking at the startup sequence, there should be a hard timeout at 60 seconds, though that should in theory also not be waited on. |
06:28.13 | aseigo | EffBee: because they are stored in nepomuk. there's probably no particularly great reason for that: they could be stored in the fallback much like the names are. |
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06:28.33 | aseigo | EffBee: iirc, the reason for that decision was to make the fallback path as reliable and simple (as a result) as possible |
06:28.56 | chris000 | aseigo: i'm sure i've left it for more than 60 seconds at least on one occasion... however normally i probably have not waited more than 40 seconds. it becomes obvious after a handful that it is stuck. |
06:29.18 | aseigo | EffBee: which means all but the bare essentials are sacrificed without nepomuk. lowers the cost of testing and development of the fallback, and raises the reliability of it |
06:29.57 | aseigo | EffBee: i think it is debatable whether or not icon configurability is the "right" place to draw that line, but that's where it was drawn by the developers writing that code |
06:30.06 | EffBee | aseigo: Okay, thanks |
06:30.13 | aseigo | EffBee: these days, given that nepomuk is really quite stable, i don't think it's a huge issue anymore tbh |
06:30.18 | EffBee | Ah |
06:30.20 | aseigo | worst case, turn off disk indexing |
06:30.20 | chris000 | aseigo: the first time i probably waited hours- several |
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06:30.41 | EffBee | Well, I just have Nepomuk disabled right now because I don't have much use for it currently, and just want to keep footprint down |
06:31.05 | chris000 | aseigo: how do i turn off disk indexing? |
06:31.05 | aseigo | chris000: hm. ok, so that implies that something is wrong with the startup sequence itself. if you click on the splash screen, it goes away. can you click on it and see what is behind it? |
06:31.26 | aseigo | chris000: reason why is i'm wondering if it is "the startup is screwed" or "the splash isn't getting notified of the startup being completed" |
06:31.31 | chris000 | aseigo: if i click on the splash screen once it becomes stuck nothing happens |
06:32.03 | aseigo | that's interesting. that implies that it's not just idling, but has actually died. |
06:32.13 | EffBee | If you guys can do something awesome with activities + Nepomuk, I might be convinced to turn Nepomuk back on :) |
06:32.33 | aseigo | that could be the xserver no longer repainting due to, for instance, desktop effects kicking in and the driver going tits up |
06:32.54 | aseigo | chris000: disk indexing can be turned off in system settings in the nepomuk control panel, "Desktop Search" |
06:33.10 | aseigo | first tab on that panel, in fact, a simple checbox |
06:33.42 | aseigo | EffBee: in 4.6 we have session-follows-activities. meaning windows come and go with activities and apps start/stop as well |
06:34.00 | aseigo | EffBee: we have a patch to make the Places entries change with activities as well |
06:34.28 | aseigo | we're still just at the start of what's possible though. Activity-via-nepomuk only finally made it in with 4.5. 4.6 is the first release we start to really use it for things reliably |
06:34.53 | aseigo | it'll be another couple of releases before we're doing a reasonable % of what is possible. |
06:35.23 | aseigo | one thing i'm really looking forward to, for completely selfish reasons, is network-connectivity-triggers-activity-setting |
06:35.29 | EffBee | Hmm, okay, Nepomuk's not that bad on resources |
06:35.42 | EffBee | I do wonder what that disk I/O is when I enable it |
06:36.00 | aseigo | the first bit of I/O is setting up the RDF store |
06:36.06 | aseigo | (virtuoso, e.g.) |
06:36.28 | aseigo | oh, and akonadi uses nepomuk for indexing |
06:36.53 | aseigo | which makes email searches pretty amazingly fast (not that desktop kontact uses that yet; kontact mobile does though) |
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06:37.30 | aseigo | notes that full text searches through 20k emails is sooo sloooow without something like nepomuk |
06:37.47 | EffBee | Hmm, this brings up another question |
06:38.00 | aseigo | some of the identity stuff that is bubbling is interesting as well .. email + im + desktop searchability |
06:38.16 | aseigo | but i'm not sure yet when shippables will land |
06:39.16 | EffBee | I currently use activities for switching between widget sets, namely Folder View for my cloud items, a workspace for putting sticky notes on, one for testing random widgets, and one I use as my main, which includes a couple quick links and a wallpaper slideshow |
06:39.28 | EffBee | Would the new activities stuff present a problem for this use case? |
06:40.00 | EffBee | As it stands, I use virtual desktops to manage my projects rather than activities |
06:40.51 | EffBee | And I'm using activities as mainly a quick access feature |
06:40.52 | aseigo | they are orthogonal |
06:41.12 | aseigo | we had many long discussions and did some research on how to tie virtual desktops and activities together |
06:41.35 | aseigo | and decided "we shouldn't, unless the person does so themselves" |
06:42.19 | EffBee | I must admit, the idea of using activities as a session manager on a per-project basis sounds very cool |
06:42.27 | aseigo | one idea that we have considered, and indeed are closer to being able to implement now that we have kwin on board with activities in 4.6, is to let one adjust their virtual desktop configuration with the activity |
06:42.32 | EffBee | As long as I don't have to strictly follow that paradigm |
06:42.45 | aseigo | EffBee: yeah, you're the poster child for why we made the decision we did ;) |
06:42.52 | EffBee | Heh |
06:43.05 | aseigo | we enumerated all the actual use cases we could find more than a handful of our users employing |
06:43.13 | aseigo | tbh, that really sucked |
06:43.33 | aseigo | because it turns out that we have large groups using the desktop + virtual desktops in very, very different ways |
06:43.52 | aseigo | any pre-described choice was going to alienate a very, very significant % of people (both current users and future) |
06:44.16 | aseigo | so we had to ask ourselves: "can we make a product that doesn't suck and doesn't prescribe one true way?" |
06:44.21 | EffBee | I use first virtual desktop for main web stuff, last virtual desktop for my music player |
06:44.25 | aseigo | that was not an easy question to answer either. |
06:44.32 | EffBee | The virtual desktops in between are sorta fair game |
06:44.37 | aseigo | EffBee: yes, for people who use virtual desktops, that is a very common use case |
06:44.54 | EffBee | Sometimes I just use virtual desktops to get around stacking clutter |
06:45.11 | aseigo | does web on 1, api documentation on 6, email on 4, IM (e.g. this irc convo) on 2, devel konsoles on 3, media on 5 |
06:45.12 | EffBee | It is almost impossible for me to work efficiently when there's more than two layers of stacking going on |
06:45.18 | aseigo | yep |
06:45.31 | EffBee | And I expand the number of desktops where appropriate |
06:45.42 | EffBee | The + - buttons in Desktop Grid are an awesome addition BTW |
06:46.00 | aseigo | yeah, that's one of the things we may well end up adding once we figure out a "natural" UI for it: virt desktop config associated with activity |
06:46.19 | aseigo | yep. gratuitously borrowed from gnome shell. :) |
06:46.41 | aseigo | delivered earlier. |
06:47.02 | EffBee | Personally not very wowed by GNOME Shell |
06:47.04 | aseigo | "good artists borrow, great artists steal" and "real artists ship" |
06:47.18 | aseigo | we aspire to be great artists ;) |
06:47.22 | EffBee | Admittedly it would make it very easy for casual users to take advantage of virtual desktops, but eh |
06:47.25 | aseigo | someday we'll be there |
06:47.27 | EffBee | I'm a power user |
06:47.40 | EffBee | I find GNOME kinda bothersome to use |
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06:47.47 | aseigo | unfortunately, casual users don't care much for virtual desktops |
06:47.58 | chris000 | how do i get nepomuk up from the terminal? |
06:48.04 | aseigo | "casual" is a synonym for "don't need them" |
06:48.19 | EffBee | Well, the design more or less forces users to activate the virtual desktop display in order to launch applications or reach recent documents |
06:48.27 | EffBee | Which exposes the user to the functionality |
06:48.33 | aseigo | chris000: nepomukserver |
06:48.48 | EffBee | Sort of a cheap way to expose said functionality though |
06:48.58 | aseigo | EffBee: yes, which is my concern with that design. it's modal, which is rarely good. and the modality is one few will likely find comfortable. |
06:49.04 | aseigo | casual users don't need it |
06:49.08 | aseigo | power users usually don't want it. |
06:49.21 | aseigo | so you get a small group in the middle. |
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06:49.43 | aseigo | but everyone gets forced into that modality when launching an application |
06:50.09 | aseigo | certainly gutsy to optimize for a vertical like that, but i'm not sure it'll end up satisfying many as a result |
06:51.02 | EffBee | The one thing that sort of bothers me about GNOME as a project |
06:51.12 | aseigo | combined with the lack of pretty much any other interesting innovations (no widget API, little extensibility, no applicability to other form factors), things like unity seem like an innevitability. |
06:51.32 | aseigo | i hope for the sake of gnome's long term health and well being that it works out for them, though |
06:51.40 | EffBee | I migrated from Windows because I was tired of having an experience pre-molded for me without being able to customize it |
06:51.58 | aseigo | monoculture isn't awesome, and single vendor solutions like unity are not healthy mho |
06:52.01 | EffBee | And it's gotten worse with the transition to Aero Experience |
06:52.08 | aseigo | yep |
06:52.28 | EffBee | GNOME is more of less the same thing... just FOSS instead of proprietary, really. |
06:52.46 | EffBee | FOSS is a nice bonus, but it's not the #1 reason I moved to Linux actually |
06:53.15 | EffBee | Actually KDE 3.5 (Kubuntu in the early days) convinced me to give Linux a chance |
06:53.27 | aseigo | freedom is most often delivered in a trojan horse ;) |
06:53.54 | comawhite_ | trojan horse eh? |
06:54.01 | EffBee | Left KDE when 4.0 came out (at least, for XP / KDE 3.5), went back to KDE when 4.2 came out |
06:54.10 | aseigo | chris000: oh, right, your stuck desktop problem. hm. |
06:54.58 | aseigo | chris000: i am curious if turning off desktop effects in the config would make any difference. |
06:55.01 | comawhite_ | well idk why the distros pushed 4.0 on people |
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06:55.25 | EffBee | Kubuntu didn't, but they pushed 4.1 |
06:55.40 | comawhite_ | didn't fedora push 4.0 |
06:55.42 | EffBee | And that's where most of the backlash came from, really |
06:55.55 | EffBee | Some guy used Kubuntu Intrepid and wrote an angry article about it |
06:56.22 | aseigo | chris000: open up ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc in a text editor from a console (even if it doesn't exist yet) |
06:56.33 | aseigo | chris000: and make sure there is something like this in it: |
06:56.39 | aseigo | [Compositing] |
06:56.44 | aseigo | Enabled=false |
06:57.03 | aseigo | chris000: if that isn't it, then we can discount that as a problem. |
06:58.07 | aseigo | EffBee: 4.0/4.1 was indeed hard times. realistically i don't know how much different it could have been without making safer choices 2-3 years prior to that but dooming KDE to irrelevance due to not being able to remain competitive |
06:58.46 | aseigo | realistically == with the manpower we had, timing of various events both in and out of our direct control and how our relationships were with our distribution partners at the time |
06:59.08 | comawhite_ | when i seen kde4 i couldn't stand kde3 anymore :P |
06:59.12 | aseigo | a lot has improved as a result, if nothing else. |
06:59.23 | EffBee | I honestly kinda miss KDE3 a little |
06:59.34 | EffBee | If only because it gave a good first impression of Linux |
06:59.45 | EffBee | But SC 4 is exciting |
06:59.59 | aseigo | it certainly did give a good first impression |
07:00.09 | aseigo | relative to what was available then |
07:00.35 | aseigo | it is a hell of a lot harder to do the same when people have MacOS and Windows 7 as well known options |
07:00.38 | comawhite_ | i don't miss kde3 |
07:01.24 | aseigo | on a positive note, something in my last zypper update sped the bloody crap out of x.org on my laptop |
07:01.33 | comawhite_ | one thing, i hope kde4 gets more popular and more stabled across OSes |
07:01.41 | aseigo | switching windows and desktops is noticeably smoother and faster ... yay! |
07:01.47 | aseigo | comawhite_: agreed |
07:02.09 | EffBee | I'm an Arch user. I find OpenSUSE bothersome, but that's just me :) |
07:02.15 | comawhite_ | the only thing i don't like about kde being on mac/win i can't use C++0x |
07:02.16 | comawhite_ | xD |
07:02.23 | comawhite_ | I'm a Gentoo user |
07:02.36 | aseigo | and there's a flavor of love for each of us :) |
07:02.41 | comawhite_ | mhmm |
07:02.46 | EffBee | Actually recently switched my laptop from OpenSUSE to Arch |
07:02.52 | comawhite_ | Gentoo performs nice on my lappy ^^ |
07:03.00 | aseigo | Arch is really getting popular. which is cool. |
07:03.05 | EffBee | And in that transition went from 4.4 and 4.5 and noticed that 4.5 is really laptop-friendly. Nice enhancements going on. |
07:03.18 | aseigo | we're trying :) |
07:03.24 | comawhite_ | i love Arch, just don't like the "we don't ship debug/devel builds" |
07:03.38 | chris000 | i figured out what the problem was- desktop effects was enabled. |
07:03.48 | aseigo | woah! blur works properly now too and without speed defects! |
07:03.51 | EffBee | comawhite_: That's forgivable when you get latest stable releases in a matter of days (usually) |
07:03.58 | szal | was very fond of Arch for about half a year, but then Arch started to seriously fall apart... plus KDE4 at that time ran noticeably smoother on openSUSE than on Arch (4.3.x) |
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07:04.09 | aseigo | mgraeslin's work on that stuff in the last weeks is REALLY paying off ... |
07:04.14 | aseigo | does a bunch of dances. |
07:04.16 | comawhite_ | EffBee: that's why I stick with Gentoo, I get my last builds, plus all my debug libraries |
07:04.41 | comawhite_ | plus it only takes like 5 hours or less to install Gentoo from barebones to kde4 full |
07:04.45 | EffBee | I don't have time to compile all my software :P |
07:05.00 | EffBee | I already find it kinda annoying that I have to compile firefox-kde-opensuse |
07:05.03 | comawhite_ | EffBee: let it go when you sleep :P |
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07:05.18 | comawhite_ | EffBee: blame mozilla's dumb license :P |
07:05.45 | chris000 | aseigo:Compositing is what exactly? does that mean that there is no 3d acceleration ? |
07:05.58 | comawhite_ | wonders why in dragon, the video gets choppy in the middle of the screen |
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07:07.10 | EffBee | What sort of speed improvements can we see in 4.6? As it stands, I have to set Powermizer to Performance and set QT_GRAPHICSSYSTEM=raster systemwide (or, at least, on plasma-desktop) to keep things snappy |
07:07.33 | EffBee | With 4.4 I used to be able to just set Powermizer to Performance to have a snappy desktop |
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07:07.56 | Sho_ | there's a fair amount of speed improvements in kwin coming in 4.6 |
07:07.59 | roz | i have kde 4.4 or 4.5... formerly a dual monitor setup, anyway; the toolbar (whatever Kicker is now called) is gone... it was on my right monitor, and i think since that was #2 its still trying to put it there |
07:08.21 | roz | i'm not exactly sure whats wrong or how to get it back |
07:08.26 | EffBee | Something about 4.5 traded for snappiness in individual applications versus snappiness of the whole desktop. Namely, in 4.5, desktop switching feels sluggish when switching to/from desktops with certain applications |
07:08.56 | roz | not sure where the setting is for that.. |
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07:09.32 | roz | the mouse wont roll over to a second monitor; so its not that theres one with stuff there that i cant see... |
07:09.57 | EffBee | Has that been sorted out for 4.6? |
07:10.03 | EffBee | (Using nVidia binary blob) |
07:10.10 | roz | or maybe its not running; but i dont know what "it" is (whatever kicker is now called) |
07:10.47 | EffBee | roz: Panel. Part of Plasma. If you're desperate you can just unlock widgets, right-click and choose Add Panel |
07:10.50 | EffBee | And make a new one |
07:11.10 | EffBee | In 4.5 you have a template for spawning the default panel |
07:11.34 | aseigo | chris000: yes, 3d accel |
07:11.51 | aseigo | EffBee: interestingly, the next version of Qt defaults to raster |
07:11.57 | EffBee | aseigo: Aha |
07:12.14 | EffBee | Will probably cause issues for OpenOffice though |
07:12.16 | aseigo | EffBee: but for performance, kwin has seen some massive improvements, plasma is using a HELL of a lot fewer pixmaps, oxygen is faster... |
07:12.37 | EffBee | Its (rather experimental) KDE4 integration depends on Qt using native X11 |
07:12.44 | aseigo | EffBee: it'll probably just override it if we don't get such issues fixed. |
07:12.55 | roz | EffBee: so the panel is stuck on the other screen... |
07:13.05 | EffBee | aseigo: Will this new Qt version ship with 4.6? |
07:14.00 | aseigo | roz: if it shares a screen edge with another existing panel, it won't try and migrate automatically. you can do it with desktop scripting though, using http://techbase.kde.org/KDE_System_Administration/PlasmaDesktopScripting |
07:14.10 | aseigo | is too tired to write a script here for that, though, right at this very moment |
07:14.23 | EffBee | OpenOffice.org using KDE SC 4 integration just closes out with Qt using raster |
07:14.27 | aseigo | i should probably just include a Snippet for that in 4.6 |
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07:14.48 | aseigo | EffBee: kde 4.6 will depend on Qt 4.7, but when 4.8 is out distros will likely pair it up anyways |
07:14.52 | EffBee | The new LibreOffice (which seems to have more mature KDE SC 4 integration) just doesn't render the areas where the Qt widgets go :P |
07:15.03 | roz | so my default panel is lost, basically until i turn a second monitor back on... |
07:15.07 | EffBee | Which looks funny |
07:15.15 | aseigo | EffBee: in the meantime, distros can already default it to raster ... needs lots of testing, though, which is why i doubt we'll see it widely done before qt 4.8 |
07:15.25 | roz | Oh this is cool stuff |
07:15.30 | roz | never played with it before |
07:15.41 | aseigo | the desktop scripting? yeah, it's awesome (if i may say so myself ;) |
07:16.07 | aseigo | i use it all the time now, though i have rather peculiar use cases as a developer |
07:16.15 | EffBee | I'd like to see KDE SC 4 + Wayland... |
07:16.32 | EffBee | Of course, that's a ways from now |
07:16.41 | aseigo | well, regardless of wayland or not, we're moving to opengl rendering |
07:16.49 | Sho_ | EffBee: you might not once you realize that wayland means losing kwin ;) |
07:17.04 | aseigo | or rather more impotantly, scene graph based UIs |
07:17.12 | roz | how do i make the new panel span the width of the scrren? |
07:17.18 | aseigo | wayland is interesting, but it's not really the answer for applications |
07:17.32 | EffBee | roz: More Settings -> Maximize panel |
07:17.35 | aseigo | to really take advantage of what a GPU can do, you have to use a scene graph for the graphical bits |
07:17.52 | roz | ah thats not what I expected maximize to do |
07:17.56 | aseigo | which means something like QML, not just shoving today's painter based UIs on top of wayland |
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07:18.20 | Sho_ | aseigo: if I were martin I'd be pretty pissed right now - he came back from UDS happily blogging that he had come to an agreement with Canonical about dropping the client-side window deco plans, and then shortly after UDS they announce the Wayland thing (which, heh, implies csds) |
07:18.30 | aseigo | roz: you can also use the sizers manually, or use desktop scripting. but Maximize is the quick way |
07:18.48 | roz | OMG i am copying all my data from a PATA drive to the SATA drive; 100s of gigs; system dragging so slow |
07:18.52 | EffBee | aseigo: I think right now my main concerns with X11 are bad performance in the Qt X11 backend, and rather sucky display sync |
07:19.05 | aseigo | EffBee: indeed |
07:19.07 | EffBee | I can't rely on EG. games delivering a reliable 60hz unless I disable compositing |
07:19.23 | EffBee | Actually, I have the same issue on Windows 7 here |
07:19.24 | Sho_ | EffBee: Fullscreen games? |
07:19.35 | EffBee | Sho_: Windowed. Fullscreen bypasses compositing |
07:19.50 | Sho_ | EffBee: that's what I was going to point out, yeah :-) |
07:19.52 | Marquel | morning. is it somehow possible to have kde change mouse cursor theme on certain events (like desktopeffects switched off, accu capacity going low) and change back on other events (power brick plugged in)? |
07:20.15 | EffBee | Anyway, I'm not sure, but it looks like OS X has found a way to magically make the desktop and applications display at a flawless 60hz without any random frame dropping |
07:20.25 | EffBee | Which is sorta why I'm interested in Wayland |
07:20.28 | EffBee | But again, not really sure |
07:20.35 | aseigo | gets an emal from cdash.org about a failed automated test in the kde sources .. it's ALIVE! |
07:20.43 | Sho_ | Marquel: PowerDevil can run scripts on such events iirc (or maybe the trunk version can, anyway?), combine that with the mouse cursor KCM's cursor theme switching code, .. |
07:21.03 | aseigo | EffBee: wayland is aimed at addressing the window compositing issues, yes |
07:21.34 | aseigo | EffBee: it still doesn't do a damn thing, however, for things like "we'd like animations in plasma run at video game speed and without taking oodles of CPU or power" |
07:22.17 | aseigo | EffBee: it also helps that apple controls the hardware and the software and so can ensure that all of its video drivers do sane things with, e.g., vsync |
07:22.26 | Sho_ | EffBee: the problem with wayland is that it rolls window management into the display server, and recreating kwin-like window management prowess is not an overnight job. it will also likely mean moving window decoration painting into the toolkit, which is a potential consistency nightmare between them. |
07:22.55 | aseigo | Sho_: yeah, i'm not a fan of many of the design decisions in wayland. |
07:23.09 | EffBee | Hmm, yeah |
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07:23.32 | EffBee | Funny thing is that OS X doesn't even support OpenGL 3.0 yet |
07:23.38 | Sho_ | the X model may be comparatively inefficient, but that inefficiency buys abilities and flexibility you don't have otherwise, which doesn't actually make it that inefficient if you think about it :) |
07:23.42 | EffBee | Even though they're shipping OpenGL 3.3-capable cards |
07:23.53 | aseigo | wishes ubuntu had someone with more technical genius making these decisions |
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07:24.14 | aseigo | EffBee: it's not a gaming console, after all :) |
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07:24.43 | Marquel | Sho_: that's "kind of abusing powerdevil's notify subsystem", right? at least there i found a setting for program execution on certain events :) |
07:25.34 | EffBee | Speaking of PowerDevil, still need to figure out how to get cpufreq working again since 4.5 changed it |
07:26.14 | Sho_ | Marquel: sounds like you've hit upon a knotify standard dialog, which actually isn't what i had in mind, but might indeed work for your purposes too (since all you need is some kind of hook you can launch a script from, after all) |
07:26.14 | EffBee | Replaced the CPU governor selection with a single checkbox which I assume is controlled by downstream developers, but... how? |
07:26.19 | Marquel | EffBee: tbh. i'm just using ondemand governor all teh time ;) |
07:26.53 | EffBee | I should consider that, actually |
07:27.06 | EffBee | I have ondemand all the time on my desktop |
07:27.28 | EffBee | But I have the up_threshold set to 40 instead of the rather high default of... 95 I think?! |
07:27.48 | Marquel | Sho_: jep. that would also make it possible to hit the script from more than just powerdevil events. powerdevil's profiles do not support arbitrary actions - at least not in 4.5.3. |
07:28.17 | EffBee | Marquel: Is that why I can't run that script changing the governor? |
07:28.17 | Sho_ | and kwin has a knotify event for compositing suspend/resume, iirc |
07:28.33 | EffBee | Or is it a permissions problem? |
07:28.56 | Marquel | EffBee: i think the latter. governor changing requires root privileges iirc. |
07:29.07 | EffBee | Yes, it does |
07:29.22 | EffBee | I was just wondering, though, if PowerDevil did any special magic with privs |
07:29.32 | Marquel | Sho_: now i'll just need to figure out how to change mouse cursor icon set from commandline ;) |
07:29.59 | Marquel | (but not now, compiling kde-4.5.3 takes too much of cpu and hd-io. :( ) |
07:30.07 | Sho_ | Marquel: since you're a coder you could do what i'd probably do, which is isolate the moue cursor kcm's code into a standalone executable :) |
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07:30.55 | Marquel | needs a larger harddisc for all the parts of kde he's supposed to be taking apart... |
07:30.56 | Sho_ | (or read the code, and use the thus-gained knowledge to google for one that may already exist) |
07:31.22 | Sho_ | http://lxr.kde.org/ always comes in handy for the taking-apart phase ;) |
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07:33.14 | Marquel | Sho_: you guys have an astonishing set of tools available. (now if only apidox would contain example code....) - no, i don't think i'll write such docs for every class you provide ;) |
07:33.39 | Sho_ | there's a pretty full kdeexamples module .. :-) |
07:33.56 | aseigo | Marquel: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdeexamples/ |
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07:34.55 | Marquel | okay, looks like i need to write an ebuild for that thing... |
07:36.19 | aseigo | Marquel: contributions welcome of course :) |
07:36.25 | Sho_ | (extra lxr.kde.org trivia: what many don't know is that it doesn't just offer the ability to perform searches for identifiers in source as well as words and phrases in both source and filenames, but can also just be used to browse and view the sources - and is much faster at that than websvn, with the trade-off that it doesn't have history and syncs less frequently) |
07:36.41 | Sho_ | (and it even covers git.kde.org!) |
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07:40.03 | roz | aseigo: alright - i got it all back |
07:40.14 | roz | and some way cool new things |
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07:41.02 | aseigo | roz: yay! :) |
07:42.19 | roz | aseigo: I caved and bought a new system |
07:42.42 | Marquel | aseigo: one day i'll restart working on kopete-cryptographyplugin. once i figured out how to do settings for each account like OTR already does ;) |
07:42.47 | roz | aseigo: had an athlon 1600; have been running gentoo on it for 8 years |
07:43.17 | roz | aseigo: just got an intel core i5 with 8gb of ram; kde flies... |
07:44.48 | aseigo | roz: niiiice |
07:45.37 | roz | off to bed now tks for the help |
07:47.16 | EffBee | I run a Phenom II X6 on my system |
07:48.01 | EffBee | I bought a six-core system with the assumption that applications would soon be able to take advantage of the processing power |
07:48.06 | EffBee | Or sometime in the near future anyway |
07:50.11 | Marquel | EffBee: i'm afraid they will not. you might be able to run more computing intensive tasks side by side or even more tasks with less response time, but as there are some problems which can not be parallelized, that'll be your only benefit ;) |
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07:52.45 | aseigo | notes that both plasma and krunner are threaded :) |
07:53.14 | aseigo | and once we complete the move to QML in plasma, we'll be able to make every plasmoid run in its own thread (or not) at runtime |
07:53.17 | aseigo | == core usage |
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07:58.48 | roz | aseigo: plasma desktop window is screwed up; but i'm not sure how to fix it |
08:00.42 | roz | aseigo: its blank; just a blank plama rectangle |
08:00.47 | roz | plasma* |
08:01.21 | roz | i think it used to contain the desktop items |
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08:07.23 | roz | http://www.flickr.com/photos/55563878@N03/5150785366/ trying to get rid of the box on the bottom; but not sure what it is... |
08:08.02 | roz | alt-tabing says its "plasma-desktop" |
08:10.28 | Thibit | wonders if the conversion to fewer pixmaps in 4.6.x will make it harder for those who have minimal VRAM |
08:12.25 | EffBee | Err, why would it |
08:12.35 | EffBee | Wouldn't it free up VRAM? |
08:12.55 | Thibit | I have not a clue to be honest... XD |
08:13.23 | Thibit | Am unedumacated in the realm of video acceleration other than it works or it doesn't for the most part |
08:13.44 | Thibit | Makes sense though |
08:13.51 | EffBee | Also, fewer pixmaps is good news for the nVidia binary blob driver which seems to perform rather poorly when it comes to applications using lots of pixmaps apparently |
08:14.09 | EffBee | Or so it would seem from the Qt X11 backend on Linux |
08:14.33 | EffBee | I'm not a dev, don't take my word for it :P |
08:14.36 | EffBee | I do read the blogs though |
08:15.00 | Thibit | I found that KWin has been unable to have rendering acceleration on my GPU since 4.4, so am slightly hoping that it'll be back down the road |
08:15.29 | Thibit | 16MB of VRAM is a tight fit for everything :P |
08:16.36 | EffBee | Heh |
08:16.52 | EffBee | I have 896MB of VRAM I think |
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08:18.29 | Thibit | Might possibly also be the move to a higher level of OGL than my GPU can handle. 'Tis an ATi Radeon Mobility. Was pleasantly surprised to find that I could have minimal graphical acceleration... |
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08:27.59 | RLa | in dolphin why there are small rectangles appearing on icons sometimes? |
08:30.07 | EffBee | Could be the SVN integration |
08:30.29 | RLa | hm, probably |
08:30.43 | RLa | still, rectangles seem to be completely random |
08:31.46 | RLa | yes, these are svn rectangles |
08:32.25 | RLa | it says "Updating version info" in status bar and then the rectangles appear when the message goes away |
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08:37.00 | ichbinder | hey there. It's probably a newbie question, but I found it difficult to search for: i recently installed Krusader and now it keeps poping up every time I log in... I guess it's somehow stored with a KDE session, I heard that this is often a problem. How can I edit/remove things from a session? |
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09:34.30 | Jishaxe | Hello |
09:34.35 | Jishaxe | Can I ask for help here? |
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09:34.56 | cb400f | if you need help with kde yes, just ask |
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09:35.12 | Jishaxe | 'Kay thanks |
09:35.27 | Jishaxe | Quite a few things I need help with actually |
09:35.27 | cb400f | of course there's no guarantee you'll actually get the help you want/need.. but that's a different topic :-) |
09:36.13 | Jishaxe | I run Linux Mint 9 KDE (Yes I have been asking to no avail in #linuxmint-help for these questions) |
09:36.31 | Jishaxe | On an Acer Aspire, uh, 720 I think |
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09:38.13 | Jishaxe | 1) When I boot, KNetworkManager prompts me for the password for the wallet that contains my router's WPA code. This is very annoying. Is there a way I can get it not to prompt it but the password still in that wallet? |
09:38.47 | Jishaxe | I would like to be able to boot fully with the only user input my username and password when I log in. |
09:38.50 | cb400f | I think you can just set an empty password for kwallet |
09:39.05 | cb400f | if it's any consolation a kwallet replacement is in the works |
09:39.45 | Jishaxe | Kinda defeats the point of an encrypted password, but people hitchhike my Wifi all the time. And if my laptop gets stolen they're not exactly going to be near the point, are they |
09:39.51 | Jishaxe | Kthanks, I didn't think of that |
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09:40.32 | maskio | hi guys |
09:40.44 | Jishaxe | Hey maskio |
09:40.46 | maskio | i got this error: Nepomuk Indexing Agents Have Been Disabled |
09:40.58 | maskio | The Nepomuk service is not available or fully operational |
09:41.09 | maskio | The following problems were detected: |
09:41.19 | maskio | Calling the Nepomuk storage service failed: 'The name org.kde.NepomukStorage was not provided by any .service files'. |
09:42.11 | maskio | 2239 ? Sl 0:00 /usr/bin/nepomukserver |
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09:45.17 | Jishaxe | 2) Now this is an ongoing problem I've had for about a month |
09:45.55 | Jishaxe | It's very long, so I've written it on a forum |
09:46.45 | Jishaxe | http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=109&t=58602 read it if you want, I'll sum it up anyway |
09:47.18 | Jishaxe | My screen is stretched, it does not have the correct reselotion |
09:47.44 | Jishaxe | I also cannot change the brightness |
09:48.02 | Jishaxe | I know what the right drivers are |
09:48.15 | Jishaxe | When I install them, X stops booting |
09:48.28 | Jishaxe | So I have to purge them to get X working again |
09:48.37 | Jishaxe | But the screen's still stretched |
09:48.47 | Jishaxe | Help would be appreciated, please |
09:48.52 | Jishaxe | Thanks |
09:49.38 | Jishaxe | It worked when I ran GNOME |
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09:50.08 | joan | Hello all |
09:50.31 | joan | I-m a noob Linux user |
09:50.53 | joan | I use ubuntu allways |
09:51.25 | joan | i-m searcing a debian based distro with kde |
09:51.37 | Jishaxe | joan: LMDE |
09:51.46 | Jishaxe | Linux Mint Debian Edition |
09:51.55 | joan | Jishaxe: is ubuntu based |
09:51.58 | joan | no_ |
09:52.00 | joan | ? |
09:52.04 | Jishaxe | Linux Mint is based on Ubuntu and debian |
09:52.13 | Jishaxe | I mean |
09:52.17 | joan | I prefer debian |
09:52.19 | Jishaxe | Linux Mint is based on Ubuntu |
09:52.28 | joan | I see Debian with KDE or Sidux |
09:52.30 | Jishaxe | Linux Mint Debian Edition is based on Debian |
09:52.35 | Jishaxe | And you can get it with KDE |
09:53.16 | joan | I prefer "more debian" for learn |
09:54.04 | joan | debian with kde and sidux distro is the two good like distros for me |
09:54.37 | joan | sidux is rolling release_ |
09:54.40 | joan | ? |
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09:55.07 | cb400f | sidux is based on debian unstable.. so should be rolling |
09:55.26 | cb400f | but didn't sidux fork recently? |
09:55.29 | cb400f | or change name? |
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09:56.27 | pinotree | aptosid, yes |
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09:56.49 | joan_ | fuck the konkeror close |
09:57.03 | joan_ | debian testing |
09:57.22 | joan_ | have a lot of bugs or is posible to normal user_ |
09:57.29 | Jishaxe | cb400f: Do you have any ideas about my question? |
09:58.16 | joan_ | The new name of Sidux is http://aptosid.com/ |
09:58.18 | cb400f | well.. brightness is generally an acpi issue.. shouldn't be hardware specific.. resolution issues depend on your gfxcard and gfxdriver |
09:58.36 | cb400f | I meant to say "should be hardware related" |
09:58.49 | cb400f | did you run gnome on mint 9 too? |
09:59.15 | cb400f | anyway.. mint9 is old.. based on *buntu 10.04 is it not? |
09:59.35 | joan_ | i think is correct |
09:59.56 | joan_ | mint is one number less for every realease |
10:00.05 | joan_ | than ubuntu |
10:00.27 | joan_ | debian testing is the same than debian sid ? |
10:00.36 | Jishaxe | cb400f: Yes, I ran GNOME on Mint9 too. |
10:00.43 | Jishaxe | cb400f: Mint 10 isn't out yet |
10:00.53 | cb400f | nope.. sid is unstable.. iirc things move to testing after 2 weeks in unstable |
10:01.05 | Jishaxe | cb400f: Brightness worked in GNOME |
10:01.06 | cb400f | so "testing" is more stable than "unstable" |
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10:01.13 | joan_ | ok |
10:01.15 | cb400f | Jishaxe: on the same base system= |
10:01.17 | cb400f | ? |
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10:01.36 | joan_ | Jishaxe: debian lenny / testing / sid ? |
10:01.39 | Jishaxe | cb400f: Not sure what you mean by that? |
10:01.58 | Jishaxe | cb400f: I'm running exactly the same I ran a while ago, just KDE |
10:02.00 | cb400f | did you use gnome on the same version of mint.. i.e. mint9 |
10:02.01 | Jishaxe | Editionof it |
10:02.04 | Jishaxe | Yes |
10:02.38 | joan_ | and testing is rolling realease? |
10:02.57 | cb400f | yes.. more or less |
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10:03.31 | cb400f | currently debian is frozen for the upcoming Squeeze release.. so not much exciting stuff going on in testing nor unstable afaik |
10:03.50 | cb400f | but I should prolly shut up and let someone who actually knows debian do the talking :-) |
10:04.37 | joan_ | cb400f: but when i install debian 5 and change to testing, when debian 6 realease, I need to reinstall? |
10:05.43 | cb400f | no.. testing is what will become Squeeze (debian 6?) |
10:06.10 | cb400f | so switching from "testing" repos to stable/squeeze repos should be safe |
10:06.11 | joan_ | ok perfect |
10:07.27 | joan_ | have debian, a kde based distro? |
10:07.55 | cb400f | debian has kde .. and they have a cd iso with kde too |
10:08.10 | cb400f | and of course sidux, mepis, kubuntu etc. are debian based kde distros |
10:09.29 | joan_ | my question is about debian distro only |
10:09.34 | joan_ | sorry for my bad english |
10:09.44 | Jishaxe | Is there a way to correct the reseloution without installing drivers? |
10:09.52 | joan_ | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ |
10:10.08 | joan_ | Here is debian testing iso |
10:10.11 | joan_ | but i don-t see the kde |
10:10.32 | joan_ | SORRY |
10:10.34 | joan_ | is the last !!! |
10:11.33 | joan_ | downloading ! |
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10:12.59 | joan_ | amd64 is for all x86-64 ? |
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10:29.14 | alesan | hi |
10:29.29 | alesan | is it possible to create hard links using KDE copy/paste mechanism? |
10:29.35 | alesan | instead of real copies |
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11:08.41 | WinterFlame | I am looking for a program I can use to access MSSQL database backup files, any advice? |
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11:31.54 | comawhite_ | if i put my lappy in sleep mode will ktorrent continue to run in the background? |
11:32.24 | cb400f | nah |
11:32.34 | comawhite_ | blah |
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11:32.57 | comawhite_ | i need to close my lid so i can go to sleep, and need my network apps to continue to work |
11:34.10 | cb400f | why can't you sleep with an open lid? noise? light? |
11:34.42 | comawhite_ | hmm |
11:35.10 | comawhite_ | well light does bother a little, i would dim it but linux broke my function key =[ |
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11:37.27 | pinotree | imagines that a cute penguin went to comawhite_'s home and broke his laptop's function key using a small hammer |
11:37.51 | comawhite_ | 363 |
11:37.58 | alesan | is it possible to create hard links using KDE copy/paste mechanism? |
11:38.01 | comawhite_ | wtf |
11:38.33 | alesan | or only "copy" or "move" mechanism? |
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12:03.36 | cusement | Hi! I just accidently stroke some buttons on my keyboard and now all icons on my desktop vanished. Is this some desktop activity setting i accidently changed and might restore? |
12:04.24 | cusement | and all panels on the desktop vanished as well |
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12:11.53 | ct529 | hi guys, I am trying to build a complete theme for kde, that is: bootstrap (after grub), login, ksplsh, plasma and windows decoration .... now I am finding it very, very difficult |
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12:13.32 | ct529 | particularly the ksplash theming .... any help you can give me? I have found documentation on plasma and windows (but auroraedesign does not really work well yet) and a bit on login, but themeing is not brilliant either .... I can theme the login page, but then ksplah reverst to ethais .... |
12:13.40 | ct529 | anyone who can help me? |
12:15.31 | ct529 | I am working on kubuntu (10.04 LTS 64 bit) |
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12:16.16 | WinterFlame | I can not create a ruby / QtRuby Hello World project in kdevelop, what am I missing? |
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12:35.39 | Damnshock | WinterFlame: you could explain your problem |
12:35.45 | Damnshock | rather than "it doesn't work" |
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12:37.45 | WinterFlame | I just don't have the option for it when creating a new project |
12:39.06 | Damnshock | WinterFlame: maybe it still doesn't support qtruby? |
12:39.17 | Damnshock | WinterFlame: sorry I can't be of much help |
12:39.22 | Damnshock | try #kdevelop |
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12:40.40 | WinterFlame | Damnshock it's supposed to support it since kdevelop 3.3 |
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13:27.07 | joan | Hello all |
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13:27.21 | joan | I have problems to install kopete in debian |
13:29.37 | annma | #debian-kde might help |
13:30.16 | annma | not on this network though, it's on debian network |
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13:32.21 | barraponto | is choqok broken? |
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13:33.19 | annma | what version? |
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13:37.12 | eshat | Wow, bugs.kde.org is the slowest page I found since years. Shouldn't KDE consider an upgrade or change of bug managemnet system? |
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13:38.06 | annma | you're welcome to help in that matter eshat |
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13:38.37 | annma | we need more sysadmins for this kind of things |
13:39.00 | eshat | annma: I am just wondering ,that such a big and modern desktop environemnt is using an outdated BTS |
13:39.25 | annma | not so outdated |
13:39.31 | annma | I find it quite good |
13:39.50 | annma | as I said it's up to people to come forward and help |
13:39.59 | eshat | annma: come on, the search takes enourmes time, i even got an "server out of respond" message while searching |
13:40.13 | annma | you probably have some expertise in other systems then? |
13:40.13 | einar77 | eshat: the problem is *not losing* the information if you go to another BTS |
13:40.18 | annma | enormous times? |
13:40.45 | einar77 | this is not an issue of finding a technically better alternative, but also preserve what has been done so far |
13:41.00 | annma | as my connexion is very poor, everything takes time for me |
13:41.00 | eshat | einar77: well bugzilla isn't too unknown, there shoud be import functions for example in launchpad |
13:41.15 | annma | I hate launchpad |
13:41.20 | einar77 | eshat: like with the Git migration, this needs to be laid out, pros and cons outlined |
13:41.27 | einar77 | then evaluated |
13:41.29 | annma | yes |
13:41.39 | annma | exactly |
13:41.57 | einar77 | eshat: as a proof that moving "on to the Cool Feature of the Day" was wrong |
13:42.08 | eshat | well I am just wondering, didn't want to start a big discussion |
13:42.10 | einar77 | sysadmin showed that, despite initial impression |
13:42.23 | einar77 | using th Gitorious platform for KDE itself was not technically sensible |
13:42.29 | eshat | I though maybe the KDE devs are already considering to change the BTS |
13:42.35 | einar77 | eshat: this has been mentioend |
13:42.46 | annma | the kde devs don't give a damn |
13:42.49 | einar77 | but there's only so much they can do |
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13:42.52 | annma | the devs develop |
13:43.09 | annma | it's a huge task to assess what can be done and how and test it |
13:43.10 | einar77 | annma: sysadmin has IIRC talked about BTS, but no more than "talk" |
13:43.16 | eshat | annma: and fix bugs, or aren't they ? |
13:43.17 | annma | in order to change BTS |
13:43.28 | annma | they fix bugs but they get mails for bugs |
13:43.36 | eshat | annma: true |
13:43.44 | annma | I get all plasma bugsin my mail for example plus all my progs bugs |
13:44.08 | eshat | well then for people who are using KDe and want it to get better, I think it isn't a good Idea to make them use such an intransparent BTS |
13:44.08 | annma | only triagers open searches |
13:44.45 | annma | we don't have the manpower at the moment, that's all eshat |
13:44.52 | eshat | triagers ? (sorry not native english speaking) |
13:45.12 | annma | people who triage bugs, who look for duplicates |
13:45.17 | eshat | annma: well, if that is the reason, I am sure it will get better in future ;) |
13:45.20 | einar77 | eshat: those that categorize bugs, see if they can be reproduced, add test cases.... |
13:45.33 | eshat | ahh thanks |
13:45.51 | einar77 | IOW, improve the signal to noise ratio of the BTS |
13:46.23 | annma | I'll be doing a talk about bugs in KDE in 2 weeks |
13:47.25 | annma | what do GNOME have as bug system? |
13:47.29 | pinotree | bugzilla |
13:47.40 | annma | ah OK thanks |
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13:48.20 | einar77 | a good number of distros also use bugzilla |
13:48.22 | eshat | debian also has its own developed BTS that has been used for ages but I think it is much better than bugzilla |
13:48.44 | eshat | execpt the facts, that e-mail adresses are written in clear text and cannot be hidden |
13:48.45 | einar77 | eshat: in order for a replacement to be considered, IMO |
13:48.59 | einar77 | it should: |
13:49.10 | einar77 | 1. have a verifiable, technical advantage over the current system |
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13:49.30 | einar77 | 2. be useful for the workflow in KDE (this is more important than 1) |
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13:49.53 | einar77 | 3. Somehow the old data need to be fed into the new system |
13:49.58 | eshat | einar77: that would for example be 1. "faster search" 2. "easier to use |
13:50.20 | eshat | well 3 is tricky, I confirm |
13:50.22 | einar77 | 4. There are collaries, for example bug hooks, FIXED-IN keywords, and so on... |
13:50.26 | pinotree | eshat: easier to use for who? |
13:50.27 | einar77 | corollaries |
13:50.54 | eshat | pinotree: for people who are not too good technically things, but want to file bugs |
13:51.12 | einar77 | eshat: it should be that AND be useful for the ones who fix bugs |
13:51.28 | einar77 | the latter mean a way to plug commit hooks from the SCM to the BTS |
13:51.31 | pinotree | eshat: a bug tracking system is meant to be used mostly by *developers* and more-than-noobies people, not "common users" |
13:51.40 | einar77 | such as the BUG:XXXX keywords that automatically close bugs |
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13:52.23 | eshat | pinotree: is that true ? If I compare the bugs filed in launchpad and in KDE maybe you are right |
13:52.34 | eshat | pinotree: but maybe that is a mistake |
13:52.40 | pinotree | launchpad is for ubuntu, an user-oriented distro |
13:52.43 | einar77 | eshat: the issue is that there are 2 levels |
13:52.45 | pinotree | (mostly) |
13:52.51 | eshat | pinotree: KDE isn't user oriented ? |
13:52.52 | einar77 | first bugs go to the downstream (distros) |
13:53.10 | einar77 | then if they're bugs not related to them, should be reported upstream (KDE; GNOME, etc...) |
13:53.23 | SCWLstmp | einar77: what BTS is it you are talking about? I joined mid discussion |
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13:53.38 | einar77 | SCWLstmp: bugzilla and/or alternatives |
13:53.42 | pinotree | eshat: kde's bug tracking system is not for end user support, which is done in launchpad |
13:53.51 | SCWLstmp | einar77: oh I thought you had an alternative you were pitching |
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13:53.54 | eshat | pinotree: maybe that is the reason, I had big problems after the upgrade to KDE 4 in our university |
13:53.57 | einar77 | pinotree: I would argue that bug reports are never meant for user support |
13:54.09 | einar77 | IMO they're meant to report defets |
13:54.11 | pinotree | eshat: uh? |
13:54.12 | einar77 | defects |
13:54.21 | eshat | pinotree: I had to explain all users how to set up their panel because nobody knew that they had to "unlock widgets" |
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13:54.35 | pinotree | (so?) |
13:54.50 | einar77 | eshat: this is not a matter for a BR, but for our Community Forums |
13:54.56 | eshat | I mean, is KDE only for geeks ? |
13:54.56 | pinotree | exactly |
13:55.07 | einar77 | eshat: a BTS is not meant for such issues, our forums are |
13:55.13 | eshat | einar77: well maybe I am mixing things |
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13:55.20 | einar77 | eshat: let's see |
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13:55.34 | einar77 | eshat: a bug report is a very specific "incident" |
13:55.39 | cb400f | eshat: the widgets are not locked by default.. and if they weren't locked, you'd have to help everyone cuz they had accidentally (re)moved something |
13:55.40 | SCWLstmp | eshat: I have a good example for you, one second. |
13:55.40 | pinotree | eshat: yes, you are confusing our bug tracking system as end-user support, which has never been |
13:56.33 | eshat | pinotree: I see. Ok but in the end, making the BTS mor useable will still be a good thing ;) |
13:56.49 | pinotree | again the question: for who? |
13:56.58 | eshat | everybody |
13:56.59 | SCWLstmp | eshat: consider these two issue (not in KDE): http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=5046 / http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=4147 |
13:57.01 | pinotree | no |
13:57.13 | pinotree | bugzilla is *not* for everybody |
13:57.31 | SCWLstmp | eshat: take a minute to speed read through the "comments" on those issues. They will very quickly illustrate why issue/bug trackers are not well suited for end user participation. |
13:57.37 | pinotree | bugzilla is *not* for a casual kde user |
13:57.55 | pinotree | bugzilla is *not* for a "how can i do foobar with kde?" |
13:58.06 | eshat | SCWLstmp: I will check later, but thanks |
13:58.16 | SCWLstmp | eshat: I know I could hunt for equivalent KDE bugs but using a different environment might help illustrate the case. |
13:58.20 | pinotree | and they'll never be that way, because they are *not* designed for that |
13:58.50 | eshat | pinotree: but does the serarch function , that takes minutes in some cases not disturb all users |
13:59.05 | eshat | (for example) |
13:59.25 | SCWLstmp | eshat: the way I look at it and have used bug/issue trackers are a place for the development team to collaborate on solving an issue by investigation and patching. These are oppened to end users in many cases so that they can see the progress and so that things are done in the open. Occasionaly a reporter will be asked for clarification or further involvement. |
13:59.26 | eshat | *search |
13:59.56 | pinotree | we have 256000+ bugs tracked, i guess you can imagine doing a full text search in each and in their comments in not exactly quick |
14:00.22 | SCWLstmp | eshat: where this becomes problematic is when end users think it is a discussion forum and not a development tool. They get flooded with posts like this: "+1", "Me too!!!", "Fix it NOW!!!!!", "Fix it or I am switching to XXXXXXXXXXX", "You all suck why isn't it fixed". |
14:00.23 | eshat | pinotree: well modern databases should do that in less than a sec |
14:00.44 | pinotree | SCWLstmp: +1 |
14:00.50 | SCWLstmp | hahahahhaha |
14:00.52 | eshat | SCWLstmp: haha, I see your point, and you're right, I mixed things above |
14:01.11 | pinotree | eshat: assuming you are the only one doing queries to bugzilla, sure |
14:01.21 | SCWLstmp | eshat: The only reason things I think are confusing is because in OSS development we open things to users they wouldn't usually be open to |
14:01.22 | eshat | But still I thing, that bugzilla isn't the best choice, even for not end-users |
14:01.32 | einar77 | eshat: this has been mentioned |
14:01.36 | einar77 | the problems are |
14:01.38 | einar77 | a. manpower |
14:01.40 | einar77 | b. importing |
14:01.45 | SCWLstmp | eshat: I used the android tracker issue as an example because millions of android based phones are now in the hands of poeple who have no idea what software development or open source is. |
14:01.53 | einar77 | in "a" also fall all the technical evaluations |
14:02.09 | einar77 | sysadmin, for git, took a load of time to properly run an evaluation (and it was time well spent) |
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14:02.36 | SCWLstmp | eshat: so all of these "uneducated" people think it is the place to go and make noise, not understanding it is a tool for devs to make things better, not weed through user gripes. |
14:02.41 | eshat | einar77: i totally agree, but cannot understand people like pinotree who say, why make it better, if it works |
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14:03.14 | pinotree | eshat: i didn't say that |
14:03.31 | einar77 | pinotree didn't say that |
14:03.35 | SCWLstmp | eshat: Consider closed source projects where there are two different interfaces, the customer facing interface where poeple can say "this **** is broken fix it you idiots!" and the internal dev bug tracker where stuff actually gets done. |
14:03.42 | pinotree | i said that if you want bugzilla as end-user tool, you will NOT get that anytime |
14:03.51 | SCWLstmp | eshat: for us these get confused because the latter is end user facing as well. |
14:03.53 | einar77 | eshat: the issue is that you may find a "cool" platform, it may still not be good for KDE |
14:03.58 | eshat | but he said, who should we make it better for, (or similar), at least I understood it that way |
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14:04.37 | SCWLstmp | eshat: I think having missed have the discussion that he sees the improvements as benefiting mostly the targeted users being devs and bug reporters, who are used to how it works and dont mind the extra work. |
14:05.04 | SCWLstmp | eshat: those who would benefit most from what you are discussing are not the "target audience" and thus I am guessing the priority is low. |
14:05.07 | einar77 | SCWLstmp: such a discussion, informally, takes place every now and then |
14:05.10 | pthread_ | akonadi: [ERROR] Can't open and lock privilege tables: Table 'mysql.servers' doesn't exist |
14:05.12 | einar77 | the issue is in data migration |
14:05.34 | einar77 | and of course, in making sure it's really beter |
14:05.35 | einar77 | better |
14:05.53 | SCWLstmp | eshat: I am making assumptions here because I missed this discussion, am doing other things, and other than pinotree, do not know the opinions being presented. |
14:05.56 | einar77 | eshat: along with the BTS itself, as I said earlier, there's a load of infrastructure that depends on it |
14:05.57 | eshat | SCWLstmp: that is so true, but maybe devs and bug reported can work more efficient if the BTS get improved, maybe even more devs and reporters will use it (let's forget about the end-user thing) |
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14:06.27 | pinotree | SCWLstmp: no, i think you got my idea |
14:06.55 | SCWLstmp | eshat: I agree that is a case you can make and likely get traction with, even if you personally are thinking of benefiting end users, bringing that into the discussion will only be met with "it isn't for end users" because it reality it simply isn't |
14:07.26 | einar77 | eshat: you also have to think at which kind of reporters use the BTS |
14:07.32 | einar77 | KDE is more "Upstream" than distros |
14:07.40 | einar77 | the first level is always distro BTS |
14:07.45 | SCWLstmp | eshat: but the catch is as somone mentioned manpower and work involved. The "cost benefit analysis" right now doesn't have the cost as being a benefit because the devs can deal with the shortcomings right now. |
14:08.07 | BajK | lol man in /usr/share/apps/kdewidgets and kdeui there are icons that seem to date back to KDe 2?! :D |
14:08.11 | einar77 | SCWLstmp: I'll add also that there's the git migration underway |
14:08.20 | SCWLstmp | eshat: of course this doesn't mean things should be considered, and einar77 said this is revisited every once in a while informally |
14:08.32 | pinotree | BajK: well yes, they are used for kde widgets in esigner |
14:08.35 | SCWLstmp | s/should/shouldn't |
14:08.36 | pinotree | *designer |
14:09.06 | eshat | Well, thanks for all the information, in the end I still started a discussion, which I didn't want to :D |
14:09.25 | einar77 | eshat: as long as you got a better insight, it'd be fruitful |
14:09.26 | SCWLstmp | eshat: it is just on the priority list it probably isn't high for all of the above discussed reasons. HOWEVER, if you have some recommended BTS systems mention them and I am sure they would be investigated. |
14:09.37 | eshat | einar77: right, maybe the distro BTS should always be more end-user oriented |
14:09.52 | einar77 | eshat: also, if you have issues with KDE like you mentioned earlier |
14:10.00 | cb400f | most distros prolly use bugzilla too though ;-) |
14:10.01 | SCWLstmp | eshat: I for one would be interested. As when I first joined this channel a few minutes ago, I thought I was going to be pointed to some cool BTS to go look at. |
14:10.11 | einar77 | eshat: direct people to http://forum.kde.org - we are friendly and don't bite :P |
14:10.23 | pinotree | of course, the BTS recommendations should point only to technical concrete points, not to abstract issues ("make it faster") nor to "end-user friendly" things |
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14:10.28 | SCWLstmp | einar77: speak for yourself, I am moody. |
14:10.32 | eshat | cb400f: as I said, I am very happy with the debian BTS, it is geeky enough, but way more usable than bugzilla |
14:10.49 | BajK | does anybody know how I can change the icon *inside* kickoff menu? (Not the launcher icon!) but the icon next to the searchbar/username |
14:11.07 | einar77 | BajK: as notmart said in #plasma you need a modification to the plasma theme |
14:11.23 | einar77 | i.e. this stays in the element called "branding.svgz" |
14:11.29 | pinotree | isn't that the login image? |
14:11.35 | BajK | hm oh, did not notice it (he did not type my nick) |
14:11.48 | einar77 | pinotree: no, on the right of the login image |
14:11.50 | einar77 | opposite side |
14:12.00 | pinotree | ah ok |
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14:15.49 | eshat | SCWLstmp: wow, just read the comments you linked in the android bugs, Crazy. I as a developer would be very demotivied, when reading things like: "Nice touch google ! You are a bunch of retards" |
14:17.05 | pthread_ | akonadi: [akonadiserver] FATAL ERROR: Upgrade failed |
14:17.31 | SCWLstmp | eshat: you can see why I chose that as an example, although not all bugs are like that, that shows the extreme case of why end user involvement can be bad |
14:18.04 | eshat | check this, it is a big SPAM thread: http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=5597&colspec=ID%20Type%20Status%20Owner%20Summary%20Stars |
14:18.25 | eshat | Seems like the arabic people like copy and paste :D |
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14:20.30 | eshat | pthread_: did you upgrade to ubuntu 10.04 ? |
14:21.44 | eshat | if so, then you must prevent apparmor do block akonadi, here is a good short howto:http://jacob.steelsmith.org/content/akonadi-server-process-not-registered-d-bus |
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14:25.43 | pthread_ | eshat: i updated to kde 4.5.2 |
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14:25.49 | pthread_ | in fedora |
14:26.21 | eshat | well I do not know if fdora is using apparmor, you can try the commands in the link I posted |
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14:26.55 | cb400f | they definitely don't by default.. but they do use selinux afaik |
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14:29.27 | SCWLstmp | eshat: wow, 4568 comments on that issue! |
14:29.36 | SCWLstmp | eshat: the arabic one. That is insane |
14:29.44 | eshat | SCWLstmp: yes it is :D |
14:29.49 | SCWLstmp | eshat: had I seen that one I would have used it as my example :) |
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14:30.14 | eshat | SCWLstmp: it is way more shocking :D |
14:30.31 | SCWLstmp | eshat: but now that I notice, there is one thing that I see positive. It has more "stars" than comments. So at least some poeple figured out the "star" functionality |
14:31.23 | pthread_ | Nepomuk Indexing Agents Have Been Disabled |
14:31.23 | pthread_ | The Nepomuk service is not available or fully operational and attempts to rectify this have failed. Therefore indexing of all data stored in the Akonadi PIM service has been disabled, which will severely limit the capabilities of any application using this data. |
14:31.23 | pthread_ | The following problems were detected: |
14:31.23 | pthread_ | Nepomuk is not running. |
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14:33.31 | eshat | quassel just crashed, maybe I should use konversation ? |
14:33.43 | SCWLstmp | eshat: core or client? |
14:34.08 | eshat | ??? there are two versons ? I just installed it yesterday because it seems the recommended IRC client |
14:34.18 | SCWLstmp | eshat: I am fond of the devs from both and both are good. |
14:34.25 | eshat | I have package quassel installed but see, that there is also quassel-client |
14:34.53 | SCWLstmp | eshat: quassel allows you to have a core running somewhere, say on a headless server, and then connect with clients so you never get disconnected and so that you can catch up with where you left off. |
14:35.24 | SCWLstmp | eshat: konversation is just a good kde irc client. |
14:36.04 | eshat | SCWLstmp: ahhh , thanks for the info, well, I don't need that, and therefor will switch to konversation |
14:36.10 | eshat | will reconnect soon |
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14:38.29 | SCWLstmp | pinotree, einar77: This thread that that eshat found is a gem in terms of end users abusing a BTS: http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=5597 |
14:39.00 | eshat | SCWLstmp: quassel didn't have shortcuts for switching between channels, that's why I will go for konversation |
14:39.10 | eshat | SCWLstmp: it defenetly is :D |
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14:39.43 | pthread_ | i solved: rm -r ~/.kde4/share/apps/nepomuk |
14:39.47 | SCWLstmp | eshat: you might join #quassel and recommend that or do so through any other means, you will be likely to find the feature in a future verison if you do. |
14:39.56 | pthread_ | restarted nepomukserver |
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14:40.22 | eshat | SCWLstmp: I already know that they are aware of that missing shortcuts, |
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14:42.03 | SCWLstmp | eshat: ok great |
14:42.57 | SCWLstmp | wonders if there are any mysql geniuses in here. I have a report due and #mysql is seemingly idle. |
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15:51.20 | hey_ | the kde pack of configuration |
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15:51.50 | hey_ | how they tell ? |
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16:11.28 | adz21c | is it possible to set some sort of timer on when certain events get clear from the plasma notification tray? I find myself clearing it a lot and most of it is stuff I only care about at the point of notification or would only want to review for a min after notification (eg. kopete status notification and amarok track changes)? |
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16:13.59 | hey_ | i wold like to install kde 4.5 in debian testing |
16:14.31 | hey_ | were are the repositories? |
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16:18.04 | DexterF | hi |
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16:18.24 | DexterF | need to get a umts usb stick working on a 8.10 - any chance? |
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16:22.55 | hey_ | Alguien sabe donde puedo encontrar los repos de kde 4.5? |
16:23.06 | pumphaus | hey_: 1. please speak english |
16:23.15 | pumphaus | hey_: 2. this is #kde, not #debian |
16:23.17 | hey_ | Any can say me were are the repos of KDE 4.5? |
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16:25.54 | SCWLstmp | hey_: you could try googling "debian kde 4.5 repo" |
16:25.57 | Damnshock | pumphaus: http://www.google.es/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CB0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpkg-kde.alioth.debian.org%2F&rct=j&q=debian%20kde&ei=hoHVTM3kI9TNjAfY35TXCQ&usg=AFQjCNHLp3raMUSL-EmmwHZGT_fB79XVGg&sig2=-TkOI8XmdvYw_8AEtsNp4g&cad=rja |
16:26.38 | pumphaus | Damnshock: rather point that at hey_ |
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16:31.23 | ompaul | hey_: KDE SC 4.5.1 packages available at http://qt-kde.debian.net taken from #debian-kde on oftc |
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16:33.39 | javier_ | DexterF: what is 8.10? |
16:34.00 | DexterF | javier_: gah, my fault, sorry - kubuntu 8.10 |
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16:34.39 | javier_ | ah ok |
16:34.54 | javier_ | DexterF: try asking in #kubuntu or #ubuntu |
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16:55.03 | sredna | do you know if somethign special is required to get the contacts krunner? |
16:55.19 | sredna | i can not find it, using kde 4.5.3 in arch linux :( |
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17:00.34 | sredna | does anyone know what provides the contact krunner? |
17:02.38 | cb400f | better ask arch people.. who knows how they split their packages |
17:02.44 | SCWLstmp | sredna: sorry I haven't got it so I am not of much help |
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17:04.16 | roz | http://www.flickr.com/photos/55563878@N03/5150785366/ trying to get rid of the box on the bottom; but not sure what it is... |
17:04.18 | roz | alt-tabing says its "plasma-desktop" |
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17:05.50 | SCWLstmp | roz: are widgets locked? |
17:06.10 | roz | SCWLstmp: yes they are |
17:06.22 | SCWLstmp | roz: if you unlock them and mousehover that, does it give you the close option? |
17:07.00 | roz | no it doesn't |
17:07.08 | SCWLstmp | based on placement it also reminds me a little of the window preview/thumbnail functionality |
17:07.36 | SCWLstmp | if you mosueover your bash<3> does it fill that same approximate space with previews? |
17:08.40 | roz | SCWLstmp: taking another screenshot one sec |
17:10.20 | roz | SCWLstmp: http://www.flickr.com/photos/55563878@N03/5151746016/ thats the only time i can get it to fill in with anything that ive seen |
17:11.01 | SCWLstmp | do you know what I am talking about the window thumbnail preview thingy? |
17:12.02 | SCWLstmp | hmmm yahoo owns flickr? Is that new or did they just recently add "from Yahoo" to the logo? |
17:12.04 | roz | i think so but I am not getting that behavior on mouseover |
17:12.13 | SCWLstmp | roz: ok |
17:12.29 | roz | (i want that... how do i get it?) |
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17:13.04 | SCWLstmp | roz: this next thing isn't a lot of help because I haven't messed with it in a while but here goes. There is a plasma config file which stores placement, size, everything about your desktop widgets etc... you can look in there to see if you can figure out if that is an actual widget and kill it there. |
17:13.36 | SCWLstmp | roz: from recollection the file was array based and not necessarily easy to read in terms of what corresponded to what. Googling plasma config file or plasma rc file might get you to the file |
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17:13.54 | SCWLstmp | or locate plasma | grep "rc$" |
17:14.20 | SCWLstmp | roz: as for the window preview thingy, if you have desktop effects turned on (which I do not at this precise moment) i think it is default enabled. |
17:14.43 | roz | ok i havent played with those yet |
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17:15.04 | roz | after this build finishes; i am going to restart KDE see if that helps |
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17:17.00 | roz | it would be really nice to save panels and load panels |
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17:19.05 | roz | its definitely plasma-desktop, which is in my alt-tab application switcher |
17:19.55 | SCWLstmp | roz: sorry I couldn't immediately identify it. |
17:20.01 | roz | SCWLstmp: brb restarting kde |
17:20.04 | SCWLstmp | I am going to be off for a while. See you all later |
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18:22.05 | cjae | will rm ~/.kde4/share/config/kwinrc rebuild it to default settings, since my kwin desktop effects are disabled, but if I create a new user they are there |
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18:26.19 | cb400f | cjae: if you delete the file with kwin not running it will revert to default settings on next start |
18:26.37 | cjae | thanks |
18:27.00 | goodtime | im new to this os |
18:27.11 | goodtime | i cant get plugins |
18:27.41 | goodtime | i cant play a mp3 and now im desprate |
18:28.15 | cb400f | ask your distro.. and tell them what player you're trying to use |
18:28.29 | goodtime | what pm him |
18:29.16 | cb400f | join the support channel for your distribution and ask them how to install codecs |
18:29.37 | goodtime | ok thanks |
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18:48.30 | roz | sound in kde is working; but nothing else (i.e. mplayer)... anyone here have any suggestions |
18:49.42 | vadi | How to listen kpotato sounds? Of course I have Menu>Speech>English set, the sound on the system works perfectly and so on. (Debian squeeze) |
18:50.16 | vadi | <PROTECTED> |
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18:50.54 | Damnshock | vadi: that depends |
18:50.56 | Damnshock | I would say no |
18:51.05 | Damnshock | as alsa has dmix by default |
18:51.29 | Damnshock | you could also install pulsaudio or jack if you wanted to |
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18:51.42 | vadi | I see. So maybe a missing "kpotato sounds" package? |
18:51.57 | Damnshock | kopotato? |
18:52.00 | Damnshock | kpotato? |
18:52.23 | vadi | kpotato |
18:52.40 | vadi | Both alsa and pulseaudio packages are installed |
18:53.03 | vadi | Also libjack0 |
18:53.10 | Damnshock | systemsettings |
18:53.11 | Damnshock | multimedia |
18:53.14 | Damnshock | check you devices there |
18:53.51 | vadi | RV710... |
18:54.04 | vadi | works perfectly with kaffeine and so on |
18:54.19 | vadi | well, checking |
18:55.00 | Damnshock | vadi: what backend are you using? |
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18:57.10 | vadi | I am not sure Damnshock |
18:57.18 | vadi | What do you mean by backend? |
18:57.39 | Damnshock | gstreamer |
18:57.40 | Damnshock | xine |
18:57.42 | Damnshock | mplayer |
18:57.44 | Damnshock | vlc? |
18:57.52 | Damnshock | on multimedia, check on the backend tab |
18:58.25 | vadi | xine, is what conf says |
18:58.58 | Damnshock | what distro are you on? |
18:59.15 | vadi | Debian squeeze |
19:00.10 | vadi | It is updated frequently so it it current |
19:00.49 | vadi | Debian squeeze is almost ready to be released as the next Debian stable |
19:01.18 | Damnshock | is kpotato a kde3 program? |
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19:02.36 | vadi | I think so but I do not manage to find the program to launch it by hand |
19:03.17 | vadi | I am going to look at Menu-edit to see what is the program which the menu is executing |
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19:07.14 | octocpp | my knetwork manager is telling me that my bitrate for my wired connection is 10mbit/s, that cant be right can it? |
19:07.56 | octocpp | it should be at least 100 mbit |
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19:11.15 | cjae | wow separate x screens woot |
19:11.17 | cjae | sort of |
19:11.38 | cjae | it like I have two screens on my tv is this something to do with activities |
19:11.43 | cjae | its |
19:12.26 | cjae | kde 4.5.3 |
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19:15.14 | vadi | The Potato Guy is /usr/games/ktuberling |
19:16.30 | vadi | Damnshock, If I launch the application as root user I can listen the sound, but if I launch then as my normal user I do not listen anything in any KDE application, being kaffenine, the Potato Guy one or any other |
19:16.50 | vadi | <PROTECTED> |
19:17.23 | cjae | no one touching that |
19:17.26 | vadi | Do you think what could be the cause, so that I can just change a setting and enable sound for KDE application in my normal user desktop? |
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19:17.53 | cjae | hugs for separate desktops |
19:18.07 | cjae | just gotta tweak it now if possible |
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19:19.15 | namektran | Hello kde wont mount my usb drive |
19:19.25 | cjae | how do I delete actvities |
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19:20.46 | Damnshock | vadi: then you have a permission problem |
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19:22.19 | vadi | <PROTECTED> |
19:22.26 | vadi | s/I/My/ |
19:22.50 | vadi | So I do not understand what permission problem it would be |
19:23.32 | octocpp | where does knetwork manager get its bitrate information for the wired interfaces? I think it is incorrectly stating that my bitrate is only 10mbit/s ? |
19:23.38 | namektran | Hello can someone please help me |
19:23.59 | namektran | kde wont mount my usb drive |
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19:26.18 | namektran | hello is somebody there? |
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19:31.06 | namektran | is it impossible to mount an usb????? |
19:31.26 | cb400f | kde doesn't mount stuff.. and it's relevant what file system is on the thing |
19:31.31 | icwiener | namektran: No it is not. |
19:32.08 | icwiener | namektran: Is the device shown in "demesg"? |
19:32.08 | namektran | icwiener: how do i mount mine usb. Is have fat32 filesystem |
19:32.13 | icwiener | "dmesg" |
19:33.24 | namektran | icwiener: uhm i dont know |
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19:33.38 | namektran | icwiener: but i can mount it from the shell |
19:34.01 | namektran | icwiener: oh the device is shown :D |
19:36.16 | namektran | icwiener: what to do? |
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19:37.05 | icwiener | namektran: Does Dolphin show the device in the Places bar? |
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19:37.17 | namektran | icwiener: no |
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19:38.53 | ahiemstra | namektran: is hald running? |
19:39.14 | namektran | ahiemstra: yes |
19:39.15 | Damnshock | vadi: I'm sorry, I'm busy with other things |
19:39.24 | Damnshock | vadi: I'll have to think about it |
19:39.31 | ahiemstra | ok, just checking |
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19:39.41 | namektran | ahiemstra: ok |
19:39.59 | Damnshock | namektran: do you have hal on? |
19:40.03 | ahiemstra | some people incorrectly assumed that since xorg dropped the hal dependency they could do without |
19:40.20 | namektran | Damnshock: yes |
19:42.11 | vadi | Damnshock, no problem |
19:43.10 | vadi | <PROTECTED> |
19:43.37 | namektran | so, i cant mount any usb now? |
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19:45.06 | namektran | I can find my device in KDE Info Center |
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19:46.52 | rekirssi | hi i'm in a terminal how can i return to kde ? |
19:47.07 | Damnshock | ctrl+alt+F7 |
19:47.11 | Damnshock | or F8 |
19:47.13 | rekirssi | now i try |
19:47.26 | rekirssi | no |
19:47.31 | rekirssi | nothing happens |
19:47.40 | Damnshock | vadi: you could try using gstreamer backend |
19:47.45 | Damnshock | it usually works much better |
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19:48.02 | rek | hi |
19:48.07 | namektran | rekirssi: /etc/init.d/xdm start |
19:48.08 | rek | it was f6 ctrl alt |
19:48.15 | namektran | oh nvm then |
19:48.16 | namektran | :d |
19:48.20 | rek | i'thx |
19:48.21 | vadi | thanks Damnshock |
19:48.28 | rek | new way |
19:48.47 | rek | namektran: that vould have started another kde? |
19:48.48 | rek | <PROTECTED> |
19:48.49 | Damnshock | it's strange that it was F6 |
19:48.54 | namektran | oh |
19:48.59 | namektran | buuuut |
19:49.01 | Damnshock | rek: no, that would have started a display manager |
19:49.02 | rek | blank line??? what hte hell |
19:49.04 | namektran | can someone help me now T_T |
19:49.04 | Damnshock | to let you log in |
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19:49.16 | rek | my display or another display because i was already onkde |
19:49.26 | rek | i was already logged in |
19:50.20 | namektran | srly cant someone help me mount an usb T_T |
19:51.38 | Damnshock | namektran: do you have dbus and hal running |
19:51.46 | namektran | Damnshock: yes |
19:51.47 | rek | hei |
19:52.00 | Damnshock | and do you start your session by startx or by kdm? |
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19:52.07 | namektran | Damnshock: kdm |
19:52.22 | Damnshock | mmm that should set the proper environment variables |
19:52.25 | Damnshock | mmm |
19:52.52 | Damnshock | rek: it usually fails if you already have one X instance running |
19:52.54 | namektran | something with my kernel maybe? |
19:52.58 | Damnshock | depends on config though |
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19:53.06 | Damnshock | mmm namektran it might be |
19:53.10 | Damnshock | but do not know |
19:53.15 | Damnshock | what distro are you using? |
19:53.18 | namektran | gentoo |
19:53.21 | rek | so what command |
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19:58.38 | namektran | Hello can someone help me mount an usb |
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20:01.56 | namektran | ehm |
20:02.06 | namektran | How do you guys mount an usb? |
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20:04.12 | EffBee | How come desktop effects are starting off temporarily disabled? I have to press Alt + Shift + F12 twice to get them back for some reason |
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20:04.30 | Damnshock | EffBee: I believe it's a known bug |
20:04.40 | Damnshock | namektran: it should be autoseet |
20:04.44 | junkDawgie | ati card, EffBee? |
20:04.48 | EffBee | Intel |
20:04.58 | Damnshock | you might have USE flags set that don't allow you to mount automatically the devices |
20:05.06 | Damnshock | namektran: do you have automounter? |
20:05.14 | EffBee | Desktop has nVidia, and it works fine |
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20:05.37 | namektran | Damnshock: no |
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20:07.00 | junkDawgie | you might disable the functionality check on startup in systemsettings>DesktopEffects>Advancedtab, EffBee.... it's not a solution, but removes the annoyance |
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20:07.58 | Damnshock | EffBee: that hapens to me too on intel card |
20:08.00 | Damnshock | ;) |
20:08.05 | namektran | Damnshock: could it be that i dont have gnome-volume-manager |
20:08.17 | Damnshock | namektran: nope |
20:08.20 | Damnshock | it is not related |
20:08.24 | namektran | ok |
20:08.35 | junkDawgie | me too, ati card..... seems unless kde4 gets the expected "nvidia" responses.... it bails |
20:08.47 | Damnshock | namektran: are you in the storage group? |
20:08.48 | EffBee | junkDawgie: Strangely enough, that worked. Thanks. |
20:09.05 | namektran | Damnshock: oh, no im not i add myself now |
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20:09.21 | junkDawgie | go forth and prosper, EffBee.. :) |
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20:10.13 | namektran | Damnshock: um, i dont have storage group T_T |
20:11.03 | namektran | Damnshock: but i have an usb group |
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20:11.18 | Damnshock | namektran: that might be it |
20:11.32 | namektran | Damnshock: so i just myself and restart? |
20:11.37 | namektran | Damnshock: or |
20:12.26 | Damnshock | namektran: http://www.linux.org.na/index.php?topic=239.0 |
20:12.30 | Damnshock | can it be related? |
20:13.04 | namektran | uhm |
20:13.12 | namektran | i guess so |
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20:15.13 | namektran | Damnshock: ehm, what can i do then |
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20:15.43 | Tron1982 | hi |
20:15.45 | Tron1982 | how i do to install a printer? |
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20:15.55 | Tron1982 | im using fedora 14 |
20:16.12 | namektran | Damnshock: i just try to restart |
20:16.33 | Damnshock | Tron1982: you probably need cups installed |
20:16.36 | Damnshock | and running |
20:16.41 | Damnshock | then plugin the printer |
20:16.43 | Damnshock | ;) |
20:16.47 | Tron1982 | ok |
20:16.51 | Tron1982 | ill try |
20:16.54 | Damnshock | in fedora all of this probably is already done |
20:17.03 | Damnshock | all but the plugin part ;) |
20:18.07 | Tron1982 | ok |
20:18.20 | Tron1982 | fedora installs cups automatically |
20:18.28 | Tron1982 | and it seems works ok |
20:18.45 | Tron1982 | im trying to configure in kde preferences |
20:18.49 | Tron1982 | printers |
20:18.53 | Damnshock | Tron1982: before doing that |
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20:19.00 | Damnshock | just try to print something |
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20:19.19 | Damnshock | you might not need to configure a thing |
20:20.25 | Tron1982 | doesnt works. only i have pdf printer |
20:20.28 | Tron1982 | virtual printer |
20:20.46 | Tron1982 | i remember in fedora core 1 was easy |
20:20.55 | Tron1982 | and opensuse 11.3 its fine to configure |
20:21.04 | Tron1982 | but with fedora 14 and using kde... |
20:21.24 | Tron1982 | i dont know where the option is?¿ |
20:21.36 | cb400f | you could prolly use the same tool as in fedora with gnome |
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20:21.51 | Tron1982 | and where is that tool¿? |
20:22.00 | cb400f | or use the cups webinterface (type 'http://localhost:631' in your browser) |
20:22.05 | namektran | omg, i found out |
20:22.06 | cb400f | ask fedora people :-) |
20:22.07 | namektran | :D |
20:22.09 | Tron1982 | nobody configure their printer with fedora 14? |
20:22.31 | namektran | Damnshock thanks (; |
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20:22.45 | Damnshock | namektran: did that work? |
20:23.01 | namektran | Damnshock: yup is was the group "plugdev" |
20:23.02 | Tron1982 | jesus |
20:23.10 | namektran | Damnshock: but see ya |
20:23.11 | Tron1982 | cups web interface works fine |
20:23.21 | Tron1982 | correct |
20:23.23 | Tron1982 | fine |
20:23.31 | Tron1982 | yes!!! i can add some printers |
20:23.32 | Damnshock | I hate gentoo |
20:23.38 | namektran | why |
20:23.43 | GNU\colossus | i hate hate haters |
20:23.43 | namektran | :B |
20:23.47 | Damnshock | because it changes *many* things |
20:23.49 | Tron1982 | thanks cb400f |
20:23.54 | Damnshock | in non default locations |
20:23.59 | Damnshock | and non default groups |
20:24.01 | Tron1982 | sorry about this, but in personal opinion |
20:24.03 | namektran | hahah :D |
20:24.12 | Tron1982 | the best distro actually is opensuse 11.3 |
20:24.33 | namektran | i love gentoo :P |
20:24.35 | junkDawgie | some people part their hair on the left, some right... and some are bald |
20:24.38 | Tron1982 | you must install it in your poc |
20:24.40 | Tron1982 | pc |
20:25.02 | Tron1982 | opensuse 11.3 have the best kde |
20:25.17 | Tron1982 | perfectly integrated |
20:25.21 | namektran | buut see ya all ;D |
20:25.22 | Tron1982 | the best notification system |
20:25.31 | Tron1982 | and the best optimized |
20:25.45 | Tron1982 | and the system management tool called yast is the best |
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20:25.54 | junkDawgie | is this the commercial break? |
20:25.57 | Tron1982 | no |
20:25.57 | Damnshock | Tron1982: that depends |
20:25.59 | Tron1982 | sorry |
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20:26.10 | Damnshock | I do not like a program doing everything |
20:26.10 | Tron1982 | depends¿ |
20:26.14 | Tron1982 | me yes |
20:26.15 | Damnshock | for me |
20:26.17 | Damnshock | ;) |
20:26.23 | Damnshock | if it works for you... awesome :D |
20:26.34 | Tron1982 | im boring using a distro and doing many things to install some apps |
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20:26.54 | Tron1982 | tired of edit files, scripts and some things like that |
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20:32.26 | junkDawgie | anybody else have a screensaver malfunction (fails to start) after using the magic corner feature? |
20:33.47 | junkDawgie | i get a hung xprop instance and the screensaver never starts |
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21:29.21 | legodude | are Dolphin actions disabled for network files? |
21:30.48 | Damnshock | legodude: what do you mean by actions? |
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21:31.07 | Damnshock | ohh I see |
21:31.11 | Damnshock | legodude: I don't think so |
21:32.09 | Damnshock | legodude: now that you mention it... I do have some actions disabled |
21:33.01 | legodude | do any work? |
21:33.10 | legodude | none that I have seem to wrok |
21:33.11 | legodude | work |
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21:35.11 | Damnshock | legodude: subversion actions work for me |
21:35.16 | cjae | how do I fix this? http://www.glowfoto.com/static_image/06-162413L/9882/png/11/2010/img4/glowfoto |
21:35.20 | Damnshock | installed by kdesvn |
21:35.26 | legodude | hrm |
21:35.27 | legodude | strange |
21:35.31 | legodude | on smb shares? or what? |
21:35.47 | cjae | it is kde 4.5.3 separate x screen or tv |
21:35.53 | cjae | on* |
21:36.01 | legodude | I just created an action that I'd like to work on network shares but it doesn't... |
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21:36.04 | Damnshock | use the systemsettings |
21:36.06 | Damnshock | display options |
21:36.11 | DiEOrLivE | where i can configure plymouth ? |
21:36.31 | pinotree | DiEOrLivE: ask in the channel of your distribution, we don't develop plymouth |
21:36.41 | DiEOrLivE | ok ty |
21:36.44 | DiEOrLivE | ;p |
21:36.46 | DiEOrLivE | sorry lol |
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21:38.34 | cjae | Damnshock: what do i change |
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21:39.12 | Damnshock | cjae: it should be pretty intuitive |
21:39.15 | Damnshock | and obvious |
21:39.25 | Damnshock | if there is something wrong with the settings that is |
21:39.39 | Damnshock | seems like you have the position of the screen misplaced |
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21:46.39 | cjae | Damnshock: well I dont know what you definition of obvious is but from what I understand separate x screens is brand new and kde 4 and I was wondering if it is a bug since I cant see what to change |
21:46.57 | Damnshock | cjae: maybe it's a bug |
21:47.05 | Damnshock | cjae: could you try using xrandr? |
21:47.13 | Damnshock | xrandr -q to query your displays |
21:47.14 | cjae | and the monitor I am using to talk here is just fine |
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21:48.24 | cjae | Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1440 x 900, maximum 1920 x 1920 |
21:48.40 | cjae | DFP1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) |
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21:48.59 | cjae | CRT1 connected 1440x900+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 408mm x 255mm |
21:50.00 | Damnshock | cjae: there seems to be the problem |
21:50.05 | cjae | what is that digital flat panel |
21:50.09 | cjae | ? |
21:50.10 | Damnshock | both displays start at the same point |
21:50.24 | Damnshock | or... wait a sec |
21:50.30 | Damnshock | you are not using dual display? |
21:51.06 | cjae | no screen stretching here |
21:51.16 | cjae | independent screens |
21:51.49 | cjae | cannot drag windows across screens |
21:52.03 | Damnshock | well, but you have two screens right? |
21:52.11 | cjae | yes |
21:52.32 | cjae | I was just on lcd and one plasma |
21:52.53 | cjae | lcd = vga and plasma = hdmi |
21:52.59 | Damnshock | mmm |
21:52.59 | cjae | same card |
21:53.29 | Damnshock | and you see that thing on both screens? or just in one? |
21:53.57 | cjae | one, plasma |
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21:54.07 | cjae | this screen fine |
21:54.48 | Damnshock | cjae: strange problem :S |
21:54.53 | Damnshock | do you have an xorg.conf file? |
21:55.33 | cjae | thought maybe it was activities at first but I have deleted all of them |
21:55.37 | cjae | yes one sec |
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21:58.06 | cjae | Damnshock: http://pastebin.com/hxRTbpYj |
22:01.42 | Damnshock | cjae: |
22:01.48 | Damnshock | you have two monitors at the same position |
22:01.50 | Damnshock | that might be it |
22:02.01 | cjae | oh |
22:02.38 | cjae | I was looking but it been awhile since I ve edited one by hand |
22:02.49 | Damnshock | it's probably that |
22:03.39 | cjae | I dont really understand this absolute positioning thing |
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22:06.22 | Damnshock | cjae: I think should not have it |
22:06.32 | Damnshock | ass you are running different screens on your displays |
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22:10.18 | cjae | Damnshock: sorry phone rang, what now |
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22:13.51 | cjae | all I know if you used to have |
22:14.02 | cjae | screen 0 and screen 1 |
22:14.23 | cjae | depths resoutions |
22:14.47 | cjae | device 0 and device 1 |
22:14.58 | Damnshock | cjae: I'm no expert with multiscreen |
22:15.05 | Damnshock | and... this doesn't seem a kde problem |
22:15.13 | cjae | and server layout left 0 or right 1 |
22:15.23 | cjae | of* |
22:15.59 | cjae | I dont know about 0 of 0 and whatever viewport is |
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22:19.36 | cjae | Damnshock: so your saying my xorg.conf is wrong from what you can see |
22:21.46 | Damnshock | cjae: again, I'm no expert |
22:21.53 | Damnshock | but seems to be some things you could try |
22:21.58 | Damnshock | like changing the Position option |
22:22.16 | Damnshock | and also adding "Screen 0" to the proper section |
22:22.23 | Damnshock | as you have "screen 1" |
22:22.29 | Damnshock | in on section |
22:25.07 | cjae | didnt even see that 0 was missing |
22:25.21 | Damnshock | cjae: don't worry about it |
22:25.26 | Damnshock | that's why you came here ;) |
22:25.50 | cjae | I should be able to take out the option position anyway right? |
22:26.06 | Damnshock | cjae: yes |
22:26.46 | whiskasek | hey i need good movie :P genre: action OR comedy OR something like that :P |
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22:26.59 | Damnshock | whiskasek: seven |
22:27.09 | cjae | I think the whole thing is slightly messed up |
22:27.16 | cjae | super troopers |
22:27.18 | whiskasek | Damnshock hehe its really old :P |
22:27.24 | whiskasek | i want something new :P |
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22:28.00 | Damnshock | whiskasek: this new one of dicaprio |
22:28.02 | Damnshock | is quite good |
22:28.31 | whiskasek | hmmm inception? am i correct? |
22:28.41 | Damnshock | I think so |
22:28.47 | whiskasek | hmm ok why not |
22:28.49 | whiskasek | thanks |
22:29.40 | cjae | Screen 1 "amdcccle-Screen[1]-1" 1440 0 implies this amdcccle-Device[1]-0" which is actually "Monitor-DFP1" "0-DFP1" |
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22:31.39 | junkDawgie | ati should be shot for trying to dictate xorg format/names |
22:32.09 | junkDawgie | just confuses an already fubar situation |
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22:36.26 | cjae | cjae cant stare any longer put in 12 hours at screen already |
22:36.33 | cjae | oops see |
22:36.46 | cjae | Damnshock: thanks for hekp |
22:36.58 | Damnshock | don't mention it ;) |
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